Spring maintenance time...
I'm to start a new edition of this thread. Dragging around 200 pages is having an impact on the forum performance.
Thanks,Bergie
(I'm doing this to all the big threads throughout the Trains.com forums... I'm not singling out or picking on your thread. This is strickly a maintence issue.)
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Friday's Grin
Brain Cramps
Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?
Answer:"I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever,"
G'day Gents!
The end of the work week <for many> and what better time to reinforce the day than with us Coffee's ready - pastries freshly baked ‘n our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready to order!
Comments from the Proprietor
Good news, Boris! Heard from your buddy up in Ontario 'n he's fine - just a bit out of it after back-to-back loooooooong days <daze> selling toys! <somehow that sounds like . . . never mind!> Call back the dogs 'n search party - he'll be baaaaaaaaack!
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Looks like I made the 4,000th Reply! CONTEST over - Eric correctly picked the date! Since only HALF of the contest was won - only HALF the prize will be awarded! One half of any dinner on the Menu Board for a week - one half of a mugga brew for a week and one half of a weekend nite in the Penthouse Suite! <uh oh>
WHO will make the 4,000th reply at the bar AND when
Participants:
(1) Pete sez Rob on Mar 22nd
(2) Rob sez Pete on Mar 16th
(3) Eric sez Allan on Mar 21st
(4) CM3 Shane sez Rob on Mar 13th
(5) Ron sez Rob on Mar 10th
(6) Allan sez Pete on Mar 15th
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Thursday - March 20th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 200 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 12:58 PM: A good Post to eavesdrop - enjoyed it!
Email working well!
Page 200 - Dan <DL-UK> at 1:10 PM: Don't know what it is you do to earn your keep, but it surely must be demanding. Nevertheless, gotta keep to what's important - ‘n this stuff is hardly that. <grin> Anyway, glad you've been thinking of us ‘n wish you ‘n yours a Happy Easter season too!
Page 200 - Pete <pwolfe> at 2:54 PM: Having driven to-from KCity a few zillion times along I-70, I can attest to the fact that on either side of the bridge at Rocheport - NOTHING looks at all the way it did prior to the Great Flood of 1993. "Good for Laura" - I admire those who pitch in when help is most needed.
Yes, we have the Johnny Cash DVD <Walk the Line> in our modest library <about to overtake our living spaces!> ‘n it's a decent portrayal from what I've read. Another good one is RAY <Ray Charles> - both provide much insight into the personal travails of those two American music icons.
That is "my" shot of the Victoria Jubilee Bridge <not the Québec Bridge> as we returned from our ill-fated Gaspé trip, crossing the St. Lawrence Seaway at Montréal.
From my limited knowledge of curling, I do believe your terminology is "right on."
I'd know that "green train" anywhere! That shot is at St. Louis Union Station . . . and yes, I think your quiz prizes are terrible! I traveled to-from KCity aboard a few of those cars when they were attached to the stern section of Amtrak <special train for Transportation Day some February's ago>.
Amtrak #34026 is a Superliner I coach <I looked it up!> First time I've ever seen a RoadRailer attached to Amtrak. Note that the markings on it are Amtrak as well.
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments . . . also, thanx for visiting "my other Thread"!!
Page 200 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:40 PM: Many thanx for a fine, inclusive Post. The link worked well too!
As mentioned <above> that bridge foto of mine is of the Victoria Jubilee Bridge . . . I've never crossed the Québec structure . . . perhaps one day.
I'm still a ways off from looking a brew in the eye <or anything else in a bottle> . . . it's that way. <ugh>
Many thanx for the visit 'n ROUND!
Page 200 - Nick <nickinwestwales at 8:48 PM: Menu delights from our man in Wales!
Friday - March 21st: <all times Central daylite>
Page 200 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:28 AM: Congrats on winning HALF the CONTEST! Enjoy your prizes <half of 'em, that is!>
Problem in getting anyone out to check the problem since we've had so much snow 'n rain over the past several weeks - "they" say it might be a couple of weeks as they are responding to emergencies . . . no drainage lines. This is a foundation issue . . . <barf>
Your URL caused a WPP <wide page phenom>! But a good link nonetheless . . .
Thanx for stopping in - sorry I gotta run, but it's gonna be a looooooong day.
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Tom
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon wha... hello Nick! What is going on? Page 200 party?!! Wow, just a few days after the big St. Patrick’s Day party! This will be a long night! But who cares! Fish? Don’t you have any of that welsh black something? I would love that!
Tom – I guess you are right, the only way to find out about your water leakage is to dig up the outside along the basement wall. Do you have any underground drainage around the basement that might partly clogged? Workmanship, yes. I like to look at old buildings, they are often built very solid with quality in workmanship. Somewhere I have a few pictures from inside that roundhouse, but i have not been able to find them. Yet. I saw the Missouri River from the sky a number of times in 1993 when everything was flooded. Huge areas under water. Two weeks for the whole Polar Express layout? That is quick! Thanks for the article on theQuebec Bridge! I’ve read some about it and the two collapses, but this was more detailed. CM3 – You better be careful and not let Boris be behind you. Especially not when he has his pool cue in his hands.DL – Thanks for the round!Pete – Runins with any Irish navies? Life is better than so! Wyatt Earp was born in Monmouth, Illinois, in 1848, of Scotch-Irish stock! So he was part Irish! Check this link, it tells the story! http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1998/8/1998_8_76.shtmlSo now we know why the Second Class Saloon is green!!! I’ve been to Tombstone and seen a reactment of the OK Corrall gunfight. I am just trying to recall where I may have any pictures of it. Maybe I only have it on video. As I mentioned to Tom, I saw the Missouri River from above a number of times in 1993 when huge areas were flooded. You noticed the right hand drive bus in my photo. I took that photo when I worked as a bus driver and that was the bus I was driving that day in 1971. Nice photos! You visited the US the first time in the winter? Wrong time of the year! What year was it? Was that RoadRailer coupled to the Amtrak train? Allan – Looking forward to get the news from NZ whenever they happen! Yes, I was driving that bus in my photo. Worked a little bit more than ten years as a bus driver. The photo below shows the same bus at the same time and location from the inside.A small town in the old country. Hudiksvall, Sweden 1959.
Eric
My dear friends-welcome to the page 200 party -Leon-those bottles of bubbly in the fridge..bring `em through old thing-and a couple of bottles of the extra-special holiday Cognac,oh-and lots of glasses-and a broom-this can get fairly messy..............You can see where I am going here-brandy and champers-a delightful cocktail,but not one to embrace if you have any form of responsible behaviour required within the next 24 hours....no ?-well then Leon-pop that cork dear boy and lets get started...................
Right-as my last gesture of responsibility for the evening--lets all eat before the drink completely ruins us,its thursday,so-(da daaaa!!!)
Starters:-
soup-French onion
baked filo parcels of crab,spring onion,ginger & lime
crepe au gratin stuffed with scallops,mussels & cockles in a provencal sauce
monkfish,bacon,button mushroom & baby corn kebab
Mains:-
Jack Sound lobster with selection of sauces,garlic & herb bread & a big chefs salad
Trout stuffed with lemon buttered breadcrumbs
pan fried Dover sole
middle cut wing of skate in black butter sauce (a special request for my dad)
grilled swordfish steak with selection of sauces
all with either veg or salad and choice of potato dish
north sea cod in beer batter with mushy peas & chips
Likewise-battered sausage & chips,pie & chips ,saveloy & chips.... and little sachets of ketchup so acidic you could etch cheap jewellery with it--sorry,flashing on my youth there
Jamaican platter:-
Jerk chicken,grilled red snapper,HOT chilli prawns,fried plantains,rice with red beans and peas Red Stripe beer and lots of rum & reggae
Or if anyone wants something else-come and tell me and I`ll knock it up for you-right I`m off to the galley,frankly I dread to think what I may find there.............
later-
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Pete. Nice link to the Guinness Brewery Tramway, very interesting site, hope you find those photo`s of the O3 diesel shunter you were looking for soon. Nice pics of Tom`s Quebec Bridge and the ones` of your first trip to the US. Saw the current? Royal Train a couple of times in North Wales in the late 50`s when it was visiting Caenarfon [Nick will know the proper spelling?] Gatland was very reticent about coaching the Lions when he was intervewed about it, he is probably thinking ahead to when the Lions` may beat the AB`s, he will get the order of the Brass Razoo over here if they do!
Rob. Hope you are OK over there and not being affected by that big storm causing all the flooding. Enjoyed all your train pics from your lost roll of film, and the write up on Classic CNR Steam #4 about the Passenger mixed trains to Niagara Falls.
Eric. Will keep you up to date with the NZ railways buy back news as it occurs. A very nice selection of GREEN pics, very apt that the 2nd Class Saloon is painted green, graphic shot of those floods in 1993, and a really nice shot of the narrow guage Roundhouse at Vadstena, were you driving that bus in the photo?
Fergie. Good to see that you got back to port safe and sound!
CM3. Interesting info on the NH branch lines in Massachusetts in the Old Colony area and liked your thoughts on Classic Rail equipment, and liked your Grandma`s story about lining up to see Queen Victoria pass by in the Royal Train, it was a tradition to do that over there from what I remember, although it may have fallen off since we left the old country in 1969.
Dan. Nice to see that you popped in for a quick visit.
Tom. E-mail received with thanks, hope you and your bride are on the mend now, a shot of the RIGHT STUFF can`t do you any harm I should think! Good to read the flooding in your basement is easing a bit now, hope you get to the root of of where it`s coming from and be able to fix it. That NZ electric loco that Lars posted is an EF Class used on the North Island Main Trunk Line, mainly used on Express Freights`, they are also used to haul the Overlander passenger train as well, their is some info about them at;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_EF_class
A really nice set of pics on your Polar Express shelf layout system, and a great Johhny Cash song and video on You-tube to singalong with,, plus a very interesting Great Railroad Bridges #9 write upon the Quebec Bridge with a nice shot you took of it that Pete posted. Hang on in there!
See ya, Allan
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ERIC. It would be interesting to know if Wyatt Earp had any runins with any Irish navies who visited a town he was Marshal of while building a railroad line nearby.
I well remember seeing pictures of the 1993 floods in this area, as it was well covered by the BBC news in England at the time. The bride filled sandbags with others to help protected the houses in a small town called Rocheport she said it was strange as it was very hot here with no rain but because the Missouri River was that high, the creeks and rivers that fed into it backed up and burst their banks as well as the Missouri flooding. I have seen a photo of Jefferson City in the flood and it is unbelievable. As Tom says, there is still reminders of that flood, across the river from us was a small town named Cedar City which there are just a couple of houses now, but the road system is still there it is a good place to first learn to drive.
Yes I hope CM3 can help with the location of the small New Haven loco.
Many thanks for the photo of that great looking roundhouse at Vadstena; I noticed the right hand drive bus.
CM3 Many thanks for the story of how your Grandmother saw Queen Victoria; quite probably the car the queen was traveling in is at the National Railway Museum in York. The only time I have seen the Queen is when she arrived by special train at Rugby for a visit, I had hoped the train would have been steam hauled but it was hauled by two diesels, in immaculate condition of course. I believe it was policy to have two diesels on the Royal Train, as one time a nearly new diesel failed and the Queen had to be rescued by a steam locomotive taken off a frieght train, no doubt causing great embarrassment (not to mention sore butts) to the local railway management.
Thanks for the info on the New Haven Diesel and the P&W caboose. I recall that a kind gentleman in a tourist information office in Providence drew us a map when he found out we were going to Old Sturbridge Village with a short cut on it, which involved a road that started as a minor highway but got narrower the farther north west we went, but true to his word it did save quite a few miles than if we had taken the major routes. Next time we are up there I will have to get a Delorme map, which shows all the roads as well as railroads.
I have found another box of photos that the bride took, when I go through them there may be a clue to the town where those photos were taken.
Looking forward to your photos at the rendezvous.
DL Happy Easter. Thanks for the beer, hope works eases a bit and you able to join us at the bar again soon.
TOM It was great to talk to you yesterday as you say when we are on the phone, like when we are at the TrainWreck saloon, time does indeed seem to fly by..
I too am missing Rob and hope he is OK.
I guess the game of Curling originated on frozen lakes and ponds many years ago, it is strange that by sweeping in front that can keep the stone (not sure what the name is) running farther, it must take a great deal of skill to release the stone with the right amount of force to get it to stop on the target.
I have found the lemonade over here is a lot different to the lemonade in England, there it is clear with nowhere near the full taste of it here. I must admit I like the American lemonade a lot better to drink on its own here. I would not dream of making a shandy out of Bathams or Holdens etc, far too good a beer and probably there is a hefty fine for doing it in the areas where they are brewed.
Did you see the fairly recent film of the story of Johnny Cash, as you say, one of the true giants of the music world whose songs will live on.
Many thanks for the Quebec Bridge Encore. Very similar to the Forth Bridge in appearance, I think it indeed is a major engineering feat. It is a real shame that the collapse of the original bridge need not have cost lives if the message had gotten to the workers earlier and it is sad in the second attempt there was a major accident that caused the loss of 5 workers.
Even if the metal in the Engineer's ring is not made from the original steelwork I think it is a great tradition..
I had a look through the photos and I think this is the bridge taken by you from the dome car on the Chaleur.
This is one of my photos taken on the approach to the bridge I believe.
A couple of photos from my first visit to the U.S., I won't have you guess the location as you seem not to like my prizes.
Sadly the Union Station area is a lot different when we visited on the Rendezvous II..
I guess this RoadRailer was at the old Amtrak station at St Louis.
Well RUTH I am off out in a while so a round please and the Fish 'N' Chip later .
Pete
Was beginning to wonder if we'd have anyone on board today - saw two of our regulars "peeking in," but neither of 'em put up a thing - nary a foto - nothing! That is perplexing to me in that any one of our guys should be able to quickly determine that things have been dormant for 3, 4 or more hours - that of course should ring an "alarm" - Post something! <groan>
Great to see CM3 Shane 'n Dan. Gotta make comment on Dan's "hit 'n run" Post. His kind of H&R is far more acceptable than those who are either pretending to be one of us or have no clue. Why Because he WANTS to be here - he isn't Posting elsewhere while avoiding us 'n really is a participant who has provided reams of meaningful material of relevance to what we're all about - CLASSIC TRAINS <with a twist of fun thrown in!>. That's the way the Proprietor sees it . . .
I figured that if no one Posted today, the following wouldn't get "released" - for my idea is to Post after someone visits, rather than back-to-back from me to the Ether. <exceptions on special days>. Anyway, here's a little something that some may enjoy from the archives . . . .
Great Railroad Bridges - #4
<Initially Posted on Page 405 , 04 Sep 2006, of the Original Thread>
Used with permission from Wikipedia.com
Quebec Bridge
The Quebec bridge, with the Pierre-Laporte bridge in the background.
Carries
3 lanes of roadway1 rail line1 pedestrian walkway
Crosses
St. Lawrence River
Locale
Quebec City, Quebec, and Levis, Quebec
Maintained by
Canadian National Railway
Design
Cantilever bridge
Longest span
549 m (1,800 feet)
Total length
987 meters (3,239 feet)
Width
29 m (94 feet) wide
Opening date
December 3, 1919
Coordinates
46°44′46″N, 71°17′16″W
The Quebec Bridge in Canada crosses the lower Saint Lawrence River to the west of Quebec City, and Levis, Quebec.
The Quebec Bridge is a riveted steel truss structure and is 987 meters (3,239 feet) long, 29 m (94 feet) wide, and 104 m (340 feet) high. Cantilever arms 177 m (580 feet) long support a 195 m (640 feet) central structure, for a total span of 549 m (1800 feet), the longest cantilever bridge span in the world. It is the easternmost complete crossing of the Saint Lawrence.
The bridge accommodates three highway lanes, one rail line, and a pedestrian walkway; at one time it also carried a streetcar line. It is owned by the Canadian National Railways.
HistoryBackground
Before the Quebec Bridge was built, the only way to travel from the south shore of the St. Lawrence in Levis to the north shore at Quebec City was to take a ferry. As far back as 1852 a project for a bridge over the St. Lawrence River at Quebec was considered, and again, in 1867, 1882, and 1884.
A March 1897 article in the Quebec Morning Chronicle noted:
The bridge question has again been revived after many years of slumber, and business men in Quebec seem hopeful that something will come of it, though the placing of a subsidy on the statute book is but a small part of the work to be accomplished, as some of its enthusiastic promoters will, ere long, discover. Both Federal and Provincial Governments seem disposed to contribute towards the cost, and the City of Quebec will also be expected to do its share. Many of our people have objected to any contribution being given by the city unless the bridge is built opposite the town, and the CHRONICLE like every other good citizen of Quebec would prefer to see it constructed at Diamond Harbor, and has contended in the interests of the city for this site as long as there seemed to be any possibility of securing it there. It would still do so if it appeared that our people could have it at that site. A bridge at Diamond Harbor would, it estimated, cost at least eight millions. It would be very nice to have, with its double track, electric car track, and roads for vehicles and pedestrians, and would no doubt create a goodly traffic between the two towns, and be one of the show works of the continent.
First design
Collapse of August 29, 1907
By 1904, the structure was taking shape. However, preliminary calculations made early in the planning stages were never properly checked when the design was finalized, and the actual weight of the bridge was far in excess of its carrying capacity. The dead load was too heavy. All went well until the bridge was nearing completion in the summer of 1907, but then the local engineering team under Norman McLure began noticing increasing distortions of key structural members already in place.
McLure became increasingly concerned and wrote repeatedly to supervising engineer Theodore Cooper, who at first replied that the problems were minor. The Phoenix Company officials were claiming that the beams must already have been bent before they were installed, but by August 27 it had become clear to McLure that this was wrong. A more experienced engineer might have telegraphed Cooper, but McLure wrote him a letter, then went to New York to meet with him on August 29, 1907. Cooper then agreed that the issue was serious, and promptly telegraphed to the Phoenix Bridge Company: "Add no more load to bridge till after due consideration of facts." The two engineers then went to the Phoenix offices.
But the message had not been passed on to Quebec, and now it was too late. That same afternoon, after four years of construction, the south arm and part of the central section of the bridge collapsed into the St. Lawrence River in just 15 seconds. Of the 86 workers on the bridge that day near quitting time, 75 were killed and the rest were injured. Of these victims, 33 were Mohawk steelworkers from the Kahnawake reserve near Montreal; they were buried at Kahnawake under crosses made of steel beams.
Second design
After a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the collapse, construction started on a second bridge. Three engineers were appointed: H.E. Vautelet, a former engineer for the Canadian Pacific Railways, Maurice FitzMaurice from Britain, who worked on the construction of the Forth Bridge, and Ralph Modjeski from Chicago. Vautelet was President and Chief Engineer. The new design was still for a bridge with a single long cantilever span, but a much more massive one. On September 11, 1916, when the central span was being raised into position, it fell into the river, killing several workers.
Completion
Construction was ultimately completed in August 1919, at a total cost of $25 million. On December 3, 1919, the Quebec Bridge opened for rail traffic, after almost two decades of construction. Its center span of 576 meters (1890 feet) remains the longest cantilevered bridge span in the world and is considered a major engineering feat.
Post-completion history
The bridge seen from the Parc Aquarium du Québec.
The bridge was designed and built primarily as a railway bridge, but the streetcar lines and one of the two railway tracks were converted into automobile and pedestrian/cycling lanes in subsequent years. In 1970 the Pierre Laporte Suspension Bridge opened just upstream to accommodate freeway traffic on Quebec Autoroute 73.
The Quebec Bridge was declared an historic monument in 1987 by the Canadian and American Society of Civil Engineers. On January 24, 1996, the bridge was declared a National Historic Site of Canada.
The bridge is privately owned by Canadian National Railway, although CN receives federal and provincial funding to undertake repairs and maintenance on the structure.
Trivia
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Enjoy!
Missed any
#1 - Hell Gate . . . Page 154
#2 - Forth Railway Bridge . . . Page 179
#3 Lethbridge Viaduct . . . Page 190
Hello Tom and all in
This is a pretty hopeless hit and run post really - so i can only amend by leaving a LARGE round for the house for all the regulars. I just wanted to wish all the best for the holiday season and hope everyone has a great time. Will try to be back on form soon - things have been from busy to busier in the last few weeks and that is very annoying.
Best wishes to all!
Darn it - I'll have a bitter quickly whilst I'm here too!
Very best wishes
DL
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Winter is back today as we had a lot of heavy rain and high wind last night which turned to snow as soon as the cold front passed by.
Fergie was by. What are you looking for in the way of pictures? You can always cheat and say that your engine servicing facility is small and power is sanded by hand with buckets. However, from the pictures I have seen of the power on your layout, it would take a lot more than that. Anyway, let me know what you are hunting for and I'll see what I can find.
Pete - Your remarks on the Royal train brought back to mind (maybe kicked it forward after Boris hit me on the back of the head with a pool cue - he hates it when I make him play by rules that are not of his making) a story told by my maternal grandmother.
She came to this country from the U.K., "A bit before the Great War," and did not get back home until 1953. She told me, "Every time I wanted to go back I was either short of money, or somebody would start another war with submarines." I do miss her, even today. She was turned out of school one day to line up trackside with her schoolmates to see the Royal train go by. She recalled it was the, "Only time I got to see Queen Victoria."
I'll bet you made those pictures on the P&W. My first thought was the Valley Railroad, but then you said you were going from Providence to Sturbridge. The NYNH&H, IIRC, never had power like that, but the paint job is a nice tribute. The P&W is, of course, alive and well. One of my ancestors was a station agent on the original Providence and Worcester, back before it was swallowed by the New Haven. Years back, Ed Lewis did a book on the P&W titled, again IIRC, The Blackstone Valley Line - regrettably it is long o/p.
The reincarnated P&W was spun off into a short line that is in some ways more of a regional railroad now. They venture out onto the NEC as well. I have pictures from their first weeks of operation - all Alco RS3s; geez! More stuff to bring to the Rendezvous. Keep this up I'll need an 18-wheeler.
Eric - Good comments and I enjoyed the picture of the narrow gauge roundhouse.
OSP - On target with your comments about Johnny Cash, sir - well said! E-mail rec'd and answered.
Work safe
Sun emerged ‘round 2 PM yesterday ‘n things began to look more promising. Basement situation is down to an annoying trickle <translated: only need to change the diapers half as often!>
A blue sky morning but it's most deceiving - many parts of this area are in dire straits with the flooding yet to come. We're okay . . .
Time to draw a mugga Joe, grab a few pastries ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! C'mon, it's really easy . . . ‘n you can't beat the price! <grin>
Anyone other than Moi notice that our Manager is MIA Most unusual - hope all's well up in Ontario. Coincidence brewing - I tell him I'm coming up ‘n he makes himself scarce! Hmmmmmmm.
Wednesday - March 19th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 200 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:05 AM: Many thanx for the Emails these past couple of days! Some fine insights to be shared with the gang - go fer it!
Most definitely transited the Cape Cod Canal, of course with a priority. I can still "see" those canal workers waving at "that new Coast Guard cutter" as we made turns meant for the open seas. A most competent bunch of mariners were we . . . didn't have much time to "lollygag" as there was serious work dead ahead ‘n on both sides! <uh oh>
I'm STILL waiting for the NH RR Color History book <backordered for months>! <arrrgggghhh>
Certainly would think that design has to be included within the criteria for determining whether a loco is in-line to become a Classic. Yeah, that makes sense to me.
No one was more surprised <'n delighted> than I when the Lionel Berkshire came out of the box as a metal beauty to behold. Surely reminded me of my childhood Pennsy 6-8-6 turbine in terms of weight ‘n quality.
Visit, quarters ‘n ROUND very much appreciated!
Page 200 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 2:48 PM: Business ‘n ROUND appreciated! <KaChing> KaChing>
Page 200 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:16 PM: Enjoyed the hour with you on the fone . . . many subjects discussed ‘n the time flew, as always. Thanx!
"Cute" lil' NH switcher - makes ya wanna make it sit up ‘n give it a treat! Like that Providence & Worcester caboose - very "cool"!
No, my sister-in-law hasn't been out of Canada for curling matches . . . but she's been a "bunch" of regionals, provincials, etc. It's a sport that requires quite a bit of skill, so I've learned by observation . . .
"They" say one shouldn't "knock it" ‘til one has "tried it." Lemonade ‘n beer just sounds perfectly AWFUL to me. Kinda like mushy peas! <yikes>
Amazed that a train would be able to maintain forward momentum with water as high as you described . . . bow wave indeed! <grin> Just gotta luv those nautical terms, eh
Thanx for jumping in on the vacuum brake "thing". . . doubt Nick will pick up on it though . . . could be surprised, we'll see.
Really like that Johnny Cash video - the song is one of my favorites. The man had all kinds of personal demons, but once he strapped on that guitar, magic ensued. At least that's my not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN.
Many thanx for the fine inclusive Post, visit ‘n fotos!
Page 200 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:56 PM: Most quiet evening - over 7 hours since Pete's Post!
The water line to the house is rather far from where the problem is, plus it is "down" the grade quite a bit and very deep beneath the ground. The problem only occurs when we have very heavy rains, so I'm ruling that one out. But thanx for bringing it up - sometimes one thought leads to another, etc.
What a fine stone building that round house is! Talk about quality in workmanship! Also that shot of the 1993 floods here in my part of the world brought back a memory or three. My bride ‘n I took the train to KCity right after the line reopened ‘n the devastation along the Missouri River was immense. Hard to describe it to anyone who has not been in or near major flooding. To this day there are signs of that flood ‘n probably will remain for decades - landscape scoured, things ripped up ‘n deposited far from where they belonged, etc. Nice shot though .
The actual construction of my Polar Express shelf system took only a few days. Once begun, it went rather quickly - I'm like that. <grin> Other aspects like the backdrop of nite sky, rope illumination ‘n meager landscaping took longer. Whole thing from inception to completion - about 2 weeks.
Appreciate the ROUND, visit, chat ‘n fotos!
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Yes, Leon, it is a typical evening for a Rumpsteak Café de paris tonight! Keith's, please! And a round for the house!
A beautiful day, 80Ëš, here in the desert! No rain, no storms.
Tom – No cigar? That’s okay. But I am sure Wyatt at least knew somebody from Ireland! Maybe even shot one?! Sorry to hear about the water problem. Do you have any water line outside along that wall? Grand Canyon Railway is doing pretty well. I have to go up to Williams, AZ, and have a look at it again. Nice photos of your Polar Express train! I bet the locomotive must be pretty heavy if it’s all metal? How long did it take for you to build the Polar Express Railroad (layout)? Thanks for the Johnny Cash video. One of my favorite country singers singing a very good song, Five Feet High and Rising!
Five Feet High and Rising. Mississippi River, June 1993, view from the train.CM3 – Thanks for the additional info on Old Colony! You don’t hear many stories about former railroads being rebuilt! I like that kind of stories!I agree with your comments about what is classic! Age is not the most important factor. Fergie – Glad to learn you are back home! Pete – Thanks for the info on the Irish brake systems! You are most likely right, otherwise they would not have any vacuum brake equipment on a brand new locomotive. A letter to remember the day when he operated a train with king and/or queen. Probably signed! Something to frame and hang on the wall!Providence & Worcester! I have been to Worcester but I didn’t know anything about this (obvious) shortline. Nice photos!Narrow gauge roundhouse. Vadstena, Sweden 1971.
A pint of Holden's Golden Glow please RUTH.
ERIC Thanks for the congrats on the 200th post.
I found the map with Goraghwood station on it on the web, it seems it is one of quite a few on the line between Dublin and Belfast in Northern Ireland that are now closed.
Not too sure about the braking arrangement in Ireland but I would have thought the modern stock was air braked, but I seem to recall reading that the wagons used for the beet traffic was vacuumed braked, perhaps Nick may know more.
I did talk to a driver who had worked a royal train in steam days, he said they were issued with new overalls and the locomotive was spotless. I think he said he got a letter to remember the day by. I will have to bring my ‘BR Headcodes' small book to the rendezvous.
The 200th anniversary of the Stockton & Darlington will be in 2025 and the Liverpool & Manchester will be in 2030.I wonder though if there will be a big event like there was for the 150th on the main line. If the British railways are still privatized with many companies will one have the money to stage a big cavalcade and by then steam locomotives may no longer be allowed on the main line tracks. It would be good though to think that the NER locomotive that has appeared in the last 3 S&D cavalcades could make it to the 200th anniversary.
Yes those engines at the Guinness brewery are interesting.
Many thanks for the Grand Canyon Railway photo.
CM3 I found these photos of our trip from Providence Rhode Island to Sturbridge Mass. I am not sure of the location.
The locomotive looked very well cared for and there was this caboose.
TOM It was probably best I did not return on Monday, as I would have made less sense than I usually do(if possible).
I am enjoying the discussion at the bar in what is considered a ‘classic' locomotive or car on North American Railways. I wonder if it is the same over here nowadays, as in Britain, that there is a least one of a certain type of locomotive preserved when they finish service, this is far different than the late 1960s and early 1970s when a few British diesel and electric classes disappeared without a single member of the class saved.
I am not surprised curling is popular in Nova Scotia it is very big in Scotland. I believe Scotland took the gold medal at a recent Olympics, I wonder if your bride's sister has been over to Scotland to play in a curling contest.
The beer I had mixed was a ‘Black and Tan' half Guinness and half pale ale (it would be half a bitter in the UK). Other mixed beers that were popular in England were half of mild and a small bottle of brown ale and a drink called Light and Bitter I think,it was popular around London and the south. A popular drink was a Shandy half beer, half lemonade a great drink for a hot day after work in the garden etc.
It certainly is worrying getting water in the basement and not knowing where it is coming from, after our experience with basement work I really hope you are able to get a good pro to carry out the work.
Many thanks for the photos of the building of the Polar Express shelf system. It really is a great model of #1225 when enlarged in the photo and I think Lionel done a good job with the design of the box. It will be good to see photos of your system progressing.
Watched Johnny Cash on you tube while reading the lyrics, seen some of the scenes from Southern Missouri on the local news and they got it real bad with floods. I guess the rivers and creeks heading for the Missouri River round here will be getting a bit high.
I have a photo in a book of a steam train in South Wales heading through a station where the floodwater is nearly level with the platforms with the photographer by the footbridge to avoid the bow wave.
Well RUTH I'll have the pint Fergie has bought.
Pete.
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Sundry
I'll have a pint of the IPA and i might as well buy all a pint as well!
Might as well order a large order of the daily special as I have been amiss for a week or so as I have just transitted the water of the North Atlantic to arrive once again safe and sound in home port. Missed a couple of really nasty storms. Gives me the willies when I see them on the weather charts!!
I see I missed Lars, Always good to see him in, as it's been a long absence.
Trolley Rob: Did you see Ian Wilson has a new book coming this fall! Yes it's called "Steam Echoes of Hamilton". If it's as good as his past productions it's a definate must.
Tom: Taking the high rail I see. Keep us posted lot's of pics
If anyone has pics of Steam sanding towers and facilities please keep me in mind as I'm currently looking at installing one on the MESS.
Anyway thanks for the meal and here's a schekle for the excellent service!
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Reporting from high ground, here's something most appropriate for what's been happenin' in my neck of the woods - CLICK the LINK - sit back 'n follow along!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qSz6X5NMXnM
Johnny Cash 'n Five Feet High and Rising . . .
How high's the water, mama?Two feet high and risin'How high's the water, papa? Two feet high and risin'We can make it to the road in a homemade boatThat's the only thing we got left that'll floatIt's already over all the wheat and the oats, Two feet high and risin'How high's the water, mama? Three feet high and risin'How high's the water, papa? Three feet high and risin'Well, the hives are gone, I've lost my beesThe chickens are sleepin'In the willow treesCow's in water up past her knees, Three feet high and risin'How high's the water, mama? Four feet high and risin'How high's the water, papa? Four feet high and risin'Hey, come look through the window pane,The bus is comin', gonna take us to the trainLooks like we'll be blessed with a little more rain, 4 feet high and risin'How high's the water, mama? Five feet high and risin'How high's the water, papa? Five feet high and risin'Well, the rails are washed out north of townWe gotta head for higher groundWe can't come back till the water comes down, Five feet high and risin'Well, it's five feet high and risin'
Headlines from 'round the world when trains 'n floods don't mix!
Flood damage put at $300 million - railroads hurt by 1993 Midwest floods <US>
Torrential rain floods towns and halts trains <UK>
Trains have been cancelled and diverted because of breaches caused by floods <US>
Trains stranded as floods hit <UK>
20 trains were halted after floods washed away a rail line <India>
Floods Threaten Future of Train Line <UK>
Flood Strands Amtrak Train <US>
Floods halt sleeper trains <UK>
Buffalo Susquehanna Train Slides Into River When Tracks Give Way <US>
Doubt I'll be back today . . . catch y'all in the 'morrow!
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is $3.39 and holding this a.m. We have not had any of the rain our friends to the west have received but it looks as though our turn will probably come a bit later today. It is starting to sound like spring in the a.m. as many of our birds have returned.
An additional note on NH branch lines in Massachusetts which we discussed the other day.
Bay Colony picked up a bunch of old NH branches near and around Cape Cod. NOTE to OSP - Did you transit the CC Canal during your travels - I always liked the big New Haven lift bridge.
Old Colony was an ancient and honorable name in New England railroading. It was eventually absorbed into the New Haven. A lot of it was abandoned/torn up as a result of misguided decisions to pave most of the Boston area. People got tired of sitting in traffic and somebody said, "Geez, let's take the old railroad and turn it into a railroad." Then ensued a lot of dealing with politicians. NIMBYs , and similar types. And lo, it came to pass that track was laid, bridges resorted and the trains do runneth again, albeit MBTA.
Peter Lynch's book on the New Haven (part of the MBI Railroad Color History series) does a first-rate job in sorting all of this out.
Rob forwarded some pictures taken at various points. I am so proud of myself (doesn't take much, does it) that I picked up on that D&RG SD40T-2. MP15s I remember well in Nashville; some (in CSX livery) have gone north to the Boston area.
Herewith a few comments triggered by Rob's Ramblings.
I look at Classic rail equipment (diesel locomotives anyway) not only in terms of age, but also of design. First generation power definitely qualifies (regardless of manufacturer) because there were so many out there; each with a different take on how a diesel should be designed, what it should be used for, etc., etc. Fascinating items from this era are the early box cabs, tri-power units, and models produced by steam manufacturers such as Baldwin and Lima. Then we look at second generation power and locomotives such as the GP30 and U25B immediately come to mind; especially the U25 because of all of the new design features. Third generation will doubtless include the SD40 and SD45. Dash-2 is probably third generation, so we will have to have a GP38-2 in our museum. Then we start heading into fourth generation which will include SD70, SD70MAC, and the present GE Genesis line; again because of design. NOTE to the GE backers out there. I am not neglecting them but the U series and then the -8 and -9 lines in many ways worked off the same basic design.
The interesting back story to all of this is how EMD slew Alco and in turn was slain by GE.
OSP - CV used that green scheme was well (kept it in the CN family). I hope you will be able to get the basement situation squared away. Also, enjoyed the construction and the Polar Express pictures - I think we have all had break in runs for new stuff either on the floor or the table - all part of the experience. That's a metal engine - hardly a man is now alive...I will try and remember to bring pictures of the prototype to the Rendezvous.
work safe
It's our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! here at the Tavern by the Tracks. And as much as I'd rather sit this one out, figured there's still one or two out there who might enjoy taking a look at the construction of my Polar Express shelf system . . .
So here they come in spates of six . . . BUT only on Wednesday!
(1) If there's anyone out there who hasn't heard of or seen the movie, get a life! <grin> Finally got the Lionel version of that animated train . . .
(2) Trial run on the dining room table <where else?>!
(3) Cool looking Berkshire - all metal!
(4 -6) Construction begins in the Can-Am Trainroom!
Wednesday's Witticism
The hottest fire is made by the wood you copy yourself.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA where it's soggy, soggy, soggy ‘n wet! Need a foto Beginning to think of calling for a boarding of the Ark . . .
Freshly baked pastries have been stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case. Our special blend coffee is ready ‘n our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts may be ordered from our Menu Board. So, come dry out with us!
Tuesday - March 18th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 199 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:56 AM ‘n 10:12 AM ‘n 10:24 AM: A trifecta to begin the day from our Resident Ontario Connection and Manager!
First things first - Email sent - we're ON!
Appreciate seeing <again> your comments about Classic Trains in terms of whether some should or shouldn't be classified that way. You already know that I agree with you, but it will be interesting to see if any of our very small number picks up on what you've said.
Eric ‘n I have talked about this by fone too. Neither of us agree with what the Forum people seem to think Classic Trains are all about <not the magazine - but the definition of what trains should be included in that term>.
There are many examples of trains running right now that one day will most definitely be included in that term: Classic Trains. Others, of course may not . . . I think that the AeroTrain, as unsuccessful as it was, is indeed a Classic. The Superliners of Amtrak will one day be put into that category as well perhaps only because they were the staple for America's long distance train travel. And so goes the discussion . . .
A very interesting ‘n colorful spate of 4 fotos!
There were times while traveling aboard Renaissance that I wondered, "How did I manage THAT!?!!?" while passing another passenger in those narrow passageways. No, secret handshake, but one definitely had to be aware of hands . . . <uh oh>
A surveillance system in Boris' shed!?!?!? What in the world possessed you to do THAT I man watching him with those inflatables is more than my mental imagery can handle. <yikes>
Page 200 - Pete <pwolfe> at 11:13 AM: A most rare morning appearance by our Resident Brit in mid-Missouri! Perhaps a little guilt showing for not coming back for the festivities last nite
Emails received ‘n glad all's okay in JCity . . .
Pretty much given up on the notion that we have any more PG <periphery guys> for if we did, we'd have seen ‘em by now. So it's now down to this precious few of ours where every Post is meaningful ‘n fits well within what we all enjoy doing. So what's wrong with that, eh
The games people play - so many I never heard of. Before meeting my bride, I had never heard of curling. One of her sisters up in Nova Scotia is a "big time" player - one day I expect she'll be right up there with the best. Always competitive teams that she captains . . .
Pete, you ‘n I are friends. But don't EVER bring mushy peas into my Haus or this bar - ever! <ugh>
With a beer fridge almost within reach of the S-Capades, why in the world would you require a dispenser Anyway, you didn't like the Haus brew! <grin>
Page 200 - Pete <pwolfe> at 7:53 PM: Back again - twice in one day! Yeah, you definitely came CLOSE with your guess. Soooooooooo, be happy with the ROUND! <geesh> BUT, nice job in coming so close . . . You obviously put some thought into it.
There is a map on one of the Wikipedia sites showing the rail routes in Ireland "back in the day" 'n those of now. As you noted, northwestern Ireland had all kinds of links - no more.
One day you'll have to share your insights regarding "mixing" beer . . . That's something I'm totally in the dark about.
The basement situation is really depressing. I just dred the thought of having to rip out all of that work done on the "long wall" - much rather tackle that problem from the outside. But that's quite a lot of digging - quite a lot. I'm going to have to hire a "pro" for this as the water is coming from "somewhere" not visible from above ground. The area against the house is totally dry 'n protected. Maybe some critters have burrowed tunnels where now a pathway to the lower portion of the foundation wall is getting flooded - underground. Don't know - but surely has to be addressed. We've been changing the towels down there every 2 or 3 hours - wringing 'em out - drying 'em 'n repeating the process . . . that gets old in a heartbeat. Fortunately we've got plenty of old towels 'n rags . . .
Nice link on the Guiness Brewery tramway 'n equipment . . .
Thanx for the <I3 > Post ' ROUND!
Page 200 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:06 AM: Did a bit of searching on the family of Wyatt Earp - saw nothing to indicate Irish heritiage! <grin> Nice try . . . but no cigar!
The Can-Am Trainroom's "long wall" is in trouble. It's such a disappointment to know that after all the work that went into making things the way I wanted them that the "forces" decided to mess with it all. Still raining - some areas around here have received in excess of 10 inches . . . we're probably nearing 5 since it all began, which is plenty.
Sorry, but asking me if IE uses vacuum brakes is kinda like asking Boris to calculate your taxes. <yikes> Perhaps Pete knows . . .
Always enjoy viewing the Grand Canyon RR shot . . . reminds me of my two visits, one by train in 1953 - then my return home from SoCal in 1988 upon retiring . . . the station still stands that we used in 1953. One day I'll have to get A-ROUNDTUIT 'n see if I can digitize those old black 'n white fotos . . .
Appreciate the chat 'n visit - thanx for the well wishes.
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, a ham sandwich and a cold Tui, please!
The day after the day before, that was today. A little bit warmer again, that is nice!
CM3 – You are right, I guess I was kind of cross eyed (or bildfolded) when I checked the text. That photo shows an Alco, nothing else. Thanks for the correction! Thanks for the info on the branch lines. I understand several of them are still in service! Tom – Sorry to hear about your wet basement. Always something. Hope the health will improve for both of you!Hmm, Wyatt Earp’s tavern in Nome? Do you think Mountain Man Mike is related to Wyatt? Don’t they look alike? Kind of, I think. Did Wyatt have Irish heritage? Nice photos of the irish locos! Class 181 looks brand new. Does IE use vacuum brakes? It looks like they have air brakes as well. Received mail, thank you. Rob – Shane is absolutely right, the photo shows an Alco. Too much celebration last night on my part. The Norwegian loco is according to my information technically the same as a EMD’s SD locos. No camera in the suite? Thanks for the info on the CN locos! What was the reason CN skipped all Alcos in the 80’s? Nice photos of the classic diesels (incl. Conrail)! I like the one of the two Rio Grande-locos!I consider those Canadian locos classic from all points of view! Thank you for sharing!Pete – Congratulations to the 200th Page!Okay, now I understand your smile when you were at the controls of the S-Capades! Hmmm. Thanks for the info on those signal lights! Four lights for a royal train. I have never had the King of Sweden on any of my trains. Doesn’t make any difference though. No signal lights are used in the old country. Do you think we will be around for the 200th Anniversary? You might, but I don’t know about myself. What year will it be?Goraghwood is in Northern Ireland according to Wikipedia. Interesting info on the Guinness narrow gauge locomotive! Drop it in a frame and run it on broad gauge! Never seen that before. Thanks for the link!
Grand Canyon Railway, Grand Canyon 1992.
Feeling better than first thing so I'll try a Holden's Mild please RUTH.
TOM Seems I made the first post on page 200, I don't suppose it would be any good me claiming that is probably March 19th somewhere in the world when I made it. Thought not.
Great post on Irish Rail on St Patrick's Day5X, it as been a few years now since I have ridden the rails in Ireland so the new info in the post was very useful. I will have to find out some more about the Cork to Midleton reopening, I could not see it on the map. Looking at the map it is sad how there are no rails now in north West Ireland
Many thanks for the great Irish photosit is good to see the preserved steam locomotives in their service days. Great selection of the Irish diesels and their coaches both old and ones that have only recently been put in service.
In today's photos that is a marvelous paint job on #187 and the other class 181. I wonder if those plates on the side of the new DVT are just there while the car was shipped or the DVTs will run with them in service.
I only tried three of the beers in your list yesterday plus a mix of two of them. I think I would like to try the Guinness brewed in Canada.
Glad to hear your bride is feeling a bit better today and really hope you are both back to full health real soon.
I guess you have been having the same weather system we have been having here real sorry to hear the water has got in your basement again but at least you have managed to contain it although, as you say, mopping up is the last thing you need to be doing when you are feeling unwell.
CM3 Glad you got the hot water problem fixed OK.
Many thanks for the info on Eric's photo at Attleboro. Did you see the article in the latest Trains magazine about White River Junction VT. I thought it was a very good article on the railroads there past and present.
ALLAN Thanks for the kind words on the photos, yes having the preserved coaches behind some of the locomotives in the cavalcade was a great touch. I think there was a lot more room to keep the stock at Rainhill than there was at Shildon.
The Brum v Toon game was on live and repeated later on Setanta here from what I saw it was nearly all Brum in the first half and the Toon looked a far different team in the second and well deserved the point. If they play like they did in the second half they should be able to get some wins when they play the teams fighting relegation in the coming matches.
They were talking about the Wales coach taking charge of the British Lions.
ROB Brave man playing darts with BORIS he used to practice using Spike's quills.
Many thanks for the photos the C Liner looks very stylish although I guess it was quite old by the time the photo was taken.
Enjoyed reading the encore of the trains that called at Niagara and their consists. I found it very interesting how the locomotives were diagrammed to work the various trains it all must have been worked out but it is not often seen described. I have wondered if locomotives on the freight turns today are diagrammed to take the intermodel trains on the long hauls through here to work the trains all the way through with refueling en-route or the locomotives only work part of the route ans stay in the same area.
I think those photos of the fallen flag locomotives have come out very well. Interesting about what is a ‘classic' locomotive.
ERIC I cannot find Goraghwood on my map but Drogheda in is Eire. Newry is in Northern Ireland and York Road is a locomotive shed in Belfast NI.
Those locomotives at the Guinness Brewery were very novel. The narrow gauge loco could be dropped into a frame and be used on the larger gauge.
http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/22/Guinness.htm
Sorry the link is a bit long but there are some photos of the frame for the narrow gauge loco to haul trins on the broad gauge
I think the Irish coach bodies are the same width as the British ones; some of them look as though they are the standard BR stock fitted with 5' 3" gauge bogies.
Like BR it is in only fairly recent times the Irish Locomotives have been fitted with high-powered headlights.
Many thanks for the photos; surely the Second Class saloon is not an ‘Irish Pub'.
Well LEON I have caught up so a round please..
Kinda like a morgue 'round here - cold 'n damp too! <brrrrrrrr> Awful weather in mid-continent USA - rain, rain, rain 'n a very wet basement <again>. Fortunately have been able to contain it to a small area with lots of towels 'n rags to sop it up. <arrrrrgggghhhh> Just what I need, feeling the way I do . . . .
Bride is doing better today, but still a long way to go. Doc doesn't want to see me <can't blame him for THAT!> Says "it" has to run its course - so what else is new <cough> <hack> <wheeze> <sneeze> <choke>
All kinds of Email flying 'round - thanx to all for the well wishes 'n support for things at the bar!
Just a few more Irish train fotos . . . then I'm outta here 'til the 'morrow.
(1) IE #175 - class 141 - <Public Domain/Wikipedia.com>
(2) CIE #187 - class 181 <GNU Free Documentation/Wikipeida.com>
(3) IE DVT <GNU Free Documentation/Wikipedia.com>
(4) IE standard class MK2 coach <Public Domain/Wikipedia.com>
(5) IE MK3 coach <GNU Free Documentation/Wikipedia.com>
ONE CONTEST ENDED - ANOTHER CONTINUES!
When will we reach Page 200 Bonus: Who will make that Post
(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)
(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)
(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)
(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)
(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)
(6) Lars sez Mar 21st (Tom)
(7) CM3 sez Mar 8th (Rob)
(8) Fergie sez Mar 21st (Tom)
(9) Jan sez Mar 23rd (Tom)
NO WINNER! Pete turned the Page today, Mar 18th. A round of CHEER for our Bar Chandler . . .
Thanx to all for participating!
Later . . .
Well RUTH a cup of coffee and something light to eat after yesterday. Still raining well here but without the thunderstorms today.
NICK Looks like I missed the band, still it looks like the Mentor Village Radio recorded the gig so no doubt a CD will be available soon, and I will be able to have a listen.
Looks like you had great weather for your trip in Ireland and a great photo of the HST at Dawlish, I could almost smell those fish and chips, what was it about them being wrapped in newspapers that made them smell so good. What a great place Dawlish must have been on a summer Saturday in the mid to late 1950s with a constant procession of Great Western steam hauled trains bringing the holidaymakers in to the resorts of Devon and Cornwall.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos, the Rocket 150 seemed to have more LMS locomotives.
The station pilot I remember at Newcastle was what became a class 03-diesel shunter, which seemed to be always coupled to a shunter's wagon. I have a photo somewhere of a 03 doing the pilot's job at Norwich. I will have to try to find it.
ROB Really enjoyed reading the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway encores again and it is good to see #103 looking in such good condition.
Enjoyed the next set of photos from the ‘missing roll of film'.
Sitting on the black bag, mushy peas a mistake what is going on when I'm away methinks the ‘Admin Duties' are taking a toll.
Look on the bright side, if the price of scrap steel and copper keeps going up there may be I profit to be made out of those subs after all.
CM3 Thanks for the Norfolk and Western 1950 copy..
The peas are on order and I have made plans with the chef to have them with the Fish 'n' Chips at the local pub.
ERIC Yes it hard to believe it is now nearer to the 200th anniversary of the opening of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway than the 150th.
Good spot with the lamps of the locomotives at Rainhill. The position of the lamps shows the class of train the locomotives was working, with two lamps above the buffers donating an express passenger train. Most locos in the parade have a single lamp in the center of the buffer beam, which correctly denotes a light engine(s). The one on 7298 could mean ‘Pick up or Branch line freight'. The four lamps on Hardwicke denotes the ‘Royal Train' when a member of the Royal Family is on board the train, not sure if any of them were on the train at the cavalcade though.
Many thanks for the photos. There are two classic locomotives in the photo of Trondheim in 1968 with the North American looking diesel and the steam switcher in the background.
I think the smile on my face at the controls of the S-Capades was that I had thought up a method of the controller dispensing beer as well as running the layout.
LARS Really great to see you in the bar, you are very much missed. Yes Rob is doing a great job but as Rob now as the gold plated dipper I have a plastic one and an ever expanding bar tab, Oh well.
Real pleased your are attending the St Patrick's Day Parade, if the is any footage of it with you in on U Tube etc it would be great to see.
Many thanks for the book covers and photos. I would love that ‘Not to Be Moved' sign in the photo of Burton Agnes Hall to fit on my stool at the bar.
I know it may be quite a while before you are able to call in the bar again but it will be very welcome to me when you can.
TOM Glad you liked the photo of 45110, it was taken at Bridgnorth as the loco was leaving the yard to take over a train to Kidderminster on the Severn Valley Railway. I'm afraid I am not sure of the date, 45110 has worked many years at the SVR and the main line in between overhauls and I think she is due another overhaul this year.
The Rainhill cavalcade was in 1980 in May it I remember the month right. The line was closed as I think there was major engineering on another part of the line so part of the line where we were clear for the cavalcade that was over three days.
Great selection of Encore photos, from the two rendezvous to the great Canadian Rail Adventure, The last photo is evidence that we only had one can of beer each.
The term ‘Under the Cosh' had a slightly different meaning where I lived than under the thumb. It meant more like having a hard task to do in a short time. I have heard railwaymen use it, like on a steam loco "With the bad coal on a heavy train we were under the cosh to keep the timings."
The is as TV channel from Ireland called Setanta which shows Hurling and Gaelic Football as well as soccer, Rugby etc, the bride signed us up after the free trial last year.
Good movies on at the Emporium this week, unfortunately I think the sale of the Mentor villager meat pies may take a tumble after Sweeny Todd but Major League and the Stooges will cheer us up.
Well Tom I have caught up to yesterday and the post is getting long, so I will post this and read more of the St Patrick's Day posts.
A round please RUTH when everyone feels up to it.
Hello again folks yup an early trifecta from me had the time so why not. Ruth I think around for the house on me this time. This is a bit of stuff from the other thread that Tom thought would be interesting to re-post here,to catch a few discussion points at any rate.I had posted a shot of a CP train in Niagara falls with some Sd40's and 40-2's leading with a C424 in th bunch some of you will remember the shots. We were postualting if indeed the SD40 series should be concidered a classic or not here was my take along with the two shots. What do you guys think
You know Tom I think to answer your question they will.On a strictly date basis they are already. In automotive terms cars are generally concidered a Classic at 25 years of age ( there is a whole new insurance cost at that point ) and at the moment going again by insurance terms over thirty years they are concidered antique ( again more bills in the insurance mans pocket )
Now going by whats in that picture. That series of SD40-2's were built in 1974 and the two C424's were built in 1964 so strictly by automotive age they are by definition both a classic and an antique.
Now in railfan terms any Alco's are Classics, so the C424's are a two fold shoe in, they are from a long dead locmotive builder,are fan favourites , and by the model type they were the first of the Century series of Loco's put out by Alco and MLW so the 424's are truly a Classic train . Now the SD40-2's are going to be a toss up. They are the right age to be a classic, but all things being equal they are not out of the regular service on many roads yet,and I imagine you will see them around for quite a while yet.Mind you there still are a lot of GP9's and some GP7's still in regular service ( over 200 GP9's on the CN alone )and those early GP's are concidered a bonafied classic train,another point is that the SD40 and it's later dash two cousins were the best selling locomotive put out by GM surly will be it's ticket to wide spread acceptance as a classic at some point/ Just my humble " border="0" width="23" height="15" />
Rob
Okay Ruth I'm more awake now "howboutchewe" I think I need another BK balst though and I thinka bag of the donuts from the mosheen .Well I've started going through the photo's lost from the railimages account, did a bit of rescanning to "the bucket" an I found many more that at the time were unpostable , but that my newscanner and it's software have made them at least "lookatable" so here are some fallen flags found on my various photo trips.
The Rio Grande in Auroura Ill.
This MP15 hasn't quite made it to the paint shop yet. On the CSX at Blue Island Ill.
A bunch of random CNW power lashed together out by the St Charles Ill Airport.
A Conrail train at Marion Ohio. I know can't believe that Conrails a classic just yet, at least it's a fallen flag.
Enjoy
Morning Ruth , oh dear younlook a tad tuckeerd out. Well no big deal I'll help myself with the high octane BK coffee and I think just toast today, the eggs and abcon are not doing it for me after having to clean up and wade throught eh debris from last night. At least Boris and the critters are helping out, the three twenty yard garbage skips behind the bar should help as well. remember guys shift teh loads for bodies and body parts
Eric-Wonderfull photo's sir, I think Shanes right that does look like an overgrown RS1 still it's a classic . Thanks for the info on the Norwegian loco, sounds like it has / had a GP9 type power plant inside of it. Any still around
Oh BTW there are no cameras in teh suite. I ahd all teh wiring pulled out and the equipment re-installed in Boris's shed, he needs more watching than anyobne else.Don't make me sick the Inspector on you too,he does have two eyes and two hands so he can carry two maginfying glasses.
Those CN 1800's were built onlyu for CN and only four were built ( none were preserved either) They were built by MLW and they are RSC24's, a little 1000hp 244 motor and the six axle trucks were for light maritime branchlines many with 70lbs rail !Their trucks were re-used in the 70's and puit under modified RS18's when they replaced the worn out 24's ( CN purged the roster of all Alco 244 power in the 80's )Basically it was an S type switcher that had a lenghtened frame to take the 244. You will notice that there was a small shorthood mounted behind the cab as well which carried the electrics for the 244.
Tom-Emails recieved and responded to I didn't figure that you had gone back to teh dark side with all the posts yesterday, but hey wet disrag or not you deserve many a toast and for yesterdays "stravaganza" espeacially with you feeling like well.... Juneau's leavings
Sea Sick green is what the CN Olive green always faded to. I remember two GMD1's that used to switch teh Port Weller dry Docks in St Catharines when I was a kid seemed to never get repainted, they looked more grey with a bit of yellow striping before they finally went to the paint shop for the barricade stripe paint job,I wonder what they look like now as they were likely in the bunch that was sold to Cuba several years ago.
I have to ask was there a secret handshake to meet and pass people with in the renasance sleeper car hallways
Shane-I'm glad no horrible tidal waves of water inundated you,the sparks would ahve been bad enough for me. Here's a thought perhaps you could leave the trenches,teh Mentor Fusiliers need some in field practiceStill joking aside those kind of inconveniances are one's I like to not have to deal with.I've never been a fan of septics. At least up here the city owns the whole run save the piping that's actualy in your house ( which thankfully does not usually casue problems ) Interesting thoughts on the Bay Colony whudathunkit putting a railroad back on a railroad ROW,wow that guy who thought that up must have been a rocket scientist
Didn't RUTH look MAH-VE-LUS in her green Happy St. Patrick's Day outfit!!
It's the Tuesday following St. Patrick's Day ‘n Nite - Aspirin ‘n Tylenol is "on the house" for those in need <uh oh>. . . coffee ‘n pastries are fresh ‘n the Menu Board selections for our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfast are ready to cook!
No, I wasn't reverting to my old ways on Monday - it was a special occasion at "Our" Place ‘n I KNEW we'd not have the turnouts of years past. Posting numerous times doesn't mean some of us "don't have a life," rather it means we CARE about this place of OURS by TAKING THE TIME ‘n MAKING THE EFFORT to keep things going. Many thanx to those of you who did that very thing yesterday.
There was no call for an extra-effort, but to have 4 of our regulars come through says a lot to me. Sure, it would've been great to have the numbers ‘n on-line interaction we used to get . . . but we takes what we gets at the Tavern by the Tracks!
Perhaps just a bit of bragging on my part, but I FIRMLY BELIEVE in leading by example. Worked for me during all those years that kind of trust was put on my shoulders ‘n I hope some of it shows through with the efforts here. Yesterday was a personally trying day - never fun when your best friend ‘n wife is down - a couple of trips to the Doc - a couple of pharmacy visits - all with taking Juneau out between rain squalls <he got 6 walks "in"!!> means that I too have other things to do. Yeah, even I have a life!
Hard for some to grasp that IF something is important enough to you - the time WILL BE FOUND to do it. I believe that . . .
So, special THANX to those of you working to bring in a pay check who do care about this place ‘n show it by finding the time to participate!
Monday - March 17th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 199 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:46 AM: Everything went quite well for our St. Pat's Day weekend. With Nick's band doing their thing for us on Saturday, by Monday the collective was simply for relief! <grin>
Many thanx for the threesome foto spate - ‘n of course the RDC <always> "does it"!
Page 199 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 1:14 PM: Doesn't matter what the time of your visit, it's knowing that you WILL!
Spring monsoons all around us with some major flooding expected. We survived the Great Flood of 1993, so we'll make it through this one. I'm a bit tentative about the basement though. Have done as much as I can to "protect" the weak area. We'll see . . .
That quote of yours may well have summed up precisely what's going on inside my aging body. Still feeling pretty much like a worn out dish rag, but one has to keep on keeping on - ‘specially if others are depending on me. CAN DO, Mate - or better put - MUST DO!
Email received ‘n responded to - very thoughtful.
Thanx for the quarters, visit ‘n ROUND!
Page 199 - Pete <pwolfe> at 2 PM: Good to see the spate of eight from our Resident Brit in Central Missouri . . . had hoped you'd show up earlier rather than later ‘n you didn't disappoint.
Wondered whether it was the rain OR that "other place" keeping you from returning Hmmmmmm. Yes, you are being watched . . . Inspector Clueless ‘n Mr. Doyle were put on your trail ‘n it's your own doing <along with some "help" from Eric . . . so I've heard!>
Those fotos from Ireland <have you checked the "black bag" for your notes??> really added a nice touch to what we try to maintain ‘round here. . . and your taking the time ‘n making the effort to come up with some extra-special for the crew hasn't gone unnoticed!
Appreciate the visit, Pix ‘n ROUND!
Page 199 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:25 PM: Guinness from the Tui-man! Now that's a bit different - but most appropriate in keeping with our modest efforts to instill some Irish CHEER to our following.
Let's drink to Global COOLING! <grin>
Speaking of drinking - there was a time, Mate, that a stiff belt of JD or something similar would do wonders for what ailed me. Those days <daze> are loooooooooong gone. I can't even look a beer straight on . . . <groan> But, thanx for the well wishes!
Never saw Sweeney Todd as anything other than a musical. Guess once you see something in one form, anything else will always come through "different," eh Anyway, the version appearing now at the Emporium Theatre is really entertaining. We have the DVD ‘n it's a <keeper>. Don't know if we'll purchase the Johnny Depp version . . . while he was quite good in those "Pirates" flicks, he's really not my favorite actor.
Glad to know you're still enjoying the gobs of material provided to one ‘n all by just a handful of contributors. I'm especially directing that comment to ALL who have kept within our guidelines - CLASSIC TRAINS theme with lots of fun thrown in! Just like our friend Lars put it . . . if that bothers anyone, we do have several exits.
Just curious, did you recognize that type of NZ loco that Lars put up for you The guy really knows how to come up with the most interesting assortments, eh
Another fine < I3 > Post along with lots of good CHEER!
Page 199 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:52 PM ‘n 11:10 PM: Back with a twofer to keep things rollin' here at the Saloon by the Siding. Heard that Nick ‘n his band were last seen being hauled away by the local Constabulary to the Detention Centre ‘n Aviary atop Mt. Mentor. Efforts to bail ‘em out have been thwarted <that's a nice word, eh?> by the mob scene of adoring fans with pitchforks ‘n torches blocking the road up the "hill" . . . stay tuned! <uh oh>
Really like that C-Liner - bet she looked great "back in the day." I never saw a CN in those colors, aside from in fotos, ‘n would imagine they caught the eye. Nothing like a little "sea sick green" to turn one's head . . . <yikes> Never <barf> INTO the wind, Mate!
All kinds of very interesting ‘n informative "stuff" in your passenger ‘n mixed train piece. Thanx!
Email en route regarding May . . .
Many thanx for helping to keep things alive ‘round here!
Page 199 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:16 AM: Glad to see that your heart was in the right place even if you couldn't make it in while it was still OH-FISH-UL-LEE St. Pat's Day. Nevertheless, you more than made up for it with a fine GREEN spate of fotos ‘n some good chat . . .
Those places in Ireland most probably may be found by enlarging that IE system map - ‘n I do believe they are all Ireland as opposed to the north. Perhaps Pete will jump in with amplifying info . . .
Perhaps Mountain Man Mike has Irish heritage, but the Second Class Saloon is a protypical model of Wyatt Earp's tavern in Nome, Alaska. No kidding . . .
Many thanx for the innovative effort to come up with fotos in GREEN!
Page 199 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:49 AM: Sorry we just missed connecting . . . thanx for the visit, quarters 'n ROUND!
Think I'm heading back to the Doc - had a horrible nite, but this too shall pass! <I hope> Bride's home another day, so Juneau will have his pack-in-tact!
Many thanx for the Email comments 'n support!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Pete was by with pictures and comments.
Allan stopped by as well; good to hear from you.
Eric - T'aint no Orange Empire U25B, it's an Alco (on steroids). To answer your question about New Haven branch lines. Many of the branch lines that were not abandoned survived into Conrail and then CR spun them off to various short lines. Bay Colony Railroad is an example of one of the lines that picked them up. Other pieces are operated by MBTA for commuter service. Then there is the case of the former Old Colony which was ripped up and then years later rebuilt as, guess what? A railroad - what a concept. This is the MBTA's Greenbush Line.
Rob - No flood, but some "sparkling" electrical issues which went away when I knocked down the power on that circuit - I know Boris likes to mix water and electricity, but I sure don't. Anyway, all is back working - can't wait to get the bill for this one as I am still paying off last fall's four figure serendipitous septic sucking sewer ‘stravaganza! The driveway and a lot of the west side looked like World War I as there were trenches, etc. everywhere. We do have city sewer, but problems never seem to occur on their side of things.
OSP - Hope you are feeling better. The narrow gauge rod engine is certainly unique; it reminded me of some I saw in some underground zinc operations years back. Also enjoyed the pictures of Irish locomotives and cars as well as the adult beverage list. E-mail rec'd and answered.
Good evening Captain Toma and Gentlemen!!
Leon, give me something typical Irish to eat and Bell’s Kalamazoo Stout to drink!
Happy St. Patrick's Day!!! I know it is late but the party is still going on!Tom – Glad to hear that you are making some progress to get well, even if it is a slow progress. Take good care of your bride!!It was a wild night, Friday night, that’s for sure. I still have a hard time to hear what people are saying. The tower in my photo is from some place between Boston and New London, I know that much. So you have traveled by that tower many times. Just saw that Shane says it is Attleboro, MA.Glad you are familiar with North Freedom now! It isn’t that hard to find. It was military personnel in the winter photo because the locomotive was stuck just outside an Air Force base. I bet it must have been a very interesting way to meet people in the passageway aboard one of those Renaissance sleepers! Hmmm. I agree, we must keep an eye on Pete in May. But we have to be careful so he doesn’t know anything. Hmm, that movie, Sweeney Todd, has an interesting plot. It makes me wonder what one get when you order a Big Mac? I think I’ll stick to the vegetables.Thanks for the article on Irish Rail! It’s kind of isolated (for natural reasons) and I really don’t know much more about it than what Pete and DL has taught me. Kind of different considering the broad gauge. Now I am kind of confused. It is about the photos from Goraghwood, Drogheda and other places. Are they all in Northern Ireland? The locos look very British. That narrow gauge locomotive from Guinness brewery was something else. Never seen anything like it! I can see that more modern Irish locos have headlights! The Irish class 22000 looks very modern. It seems like the coaches don’t have very wide car bodies. Similar to the British ones! Lars – Wow, Manager Emeritus Lars is back!!! No wonder Ruth was singing and dancing! I wonder if the camera is on in the Penthouse Suite? Good to see you again, Sir!! Hope the Parade today was great! We are certainly going to make April 12 a BIG affair! A number of interesting books (New York Central in Color has a nice photo of an Alco) and some nice photos, like the X2000taking off from a station in the old country! Many thanks! Rob – I barely survived Friday night. Lost my hearing on the left side. Are you sure it was only one death? The Norwegian locomotive is a class Di 3. Built in Sweden by Nohab, but it is based on EMD locos. The prime mover is a GM 16-567C/E, 1,775 hp. They were built 1957-69. 15 minutes of fame? No, I think it was close to 20 minutes adding the times I’ve been interviewed on radio and TV (X2000).Green black and white locomotives? Hmmm. #1802 looks kind of strange with six axles on that sze of locomotive. Nice to see a RDC again!Thank you for the info on the passenger and mixed trains to Niagara Falls! CM3 – Thank you for the info on that tower! Attleboro, MA! So it is that close to Boston.How many of all those branch lines are still in service? Pete – A number of interesting photos from Ireland! Seems like Ireland had the same system as UK, no headlights on the locmotives!Hope the approaching storm wasn’t too bad.Allan – The delay you mentioned, is it weeks or months? I guess you don’t buy a complete railway system without some problems.
Here are some green, but not Irish locomotives, streetcars, etc. OKB, Swedish private railroad.U25-BStreetcar in Tucson, AZ, from Kyoto, Japan.Irish???
Okay Leon another round of Guiness's for anyone wishing them , here is another Classic repirnt brought forward form the deapths for everyone.
Classic CNR Steam #4 Passenger and Mixed Trains to Niagara Falls These are the passenger and mixed trains that called on Niagara Falls Ontario in the mid to late 50's. As layed out by Ian Wilson's Steam to The Niagara Frontier. Number 86 Hamilton to Niagara Falls section of number 83. Modified schedule on Sunday's. Cars off number 83 in Hamilton formed consist of train 86. Engine came off of number 95 from Niagara Falls. Usually a stream lined 6400 or a 6200 class northern. Number 87 and 84 Fastnight mail train Toronto to Niagara Falls . Did not officially handle passengers: not listed in the public timetable.Most express to Hamilton came in on 87, by the car load. About 90% , if not all express to Niagara Falls came in on 84. Circa december 1957, carried storage car of box baggage or refridgerator type for Hamilton and Hamilton transfer mail, set off in Hamilton and returned on No. 108. circa may 17 1956 at least one (each) Toronto-St Catharines and Toronto-Niagara Falls express reefers, carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Hamilton and Niagara Falls. At Merriton , the switcher removed at least one express car from 84 and set it behind the station for unloading and transfer to NS&T Red Onion. The consist of train 84 at Niagara falls wa used to make up numbers 95 and 91. Usually powered by a Bullet Nosed betty until mid 1954. After which older mountains or 6400 class streamilined mountain or older Northerns became the norm. Engine would return on afternoon local 91-92 Number 89-90 Toronto to Niagara Falls leg of over night Maple Leaf CN-LV train to New York city. Normal consist was a LV baggage/smoker two LV pullman cars ( for Philadelphia and New York),CN coaches and parlour cars to Niagara Falls,and LV coach to New York.Carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Toronto and Suspension bridge . Normal power was any variety of Northern or Mountain, with the occastional Hudson. Engine returned to Toronto next morning on 93-94 Number 91-92 Daily afternoon local passenger train,Niagara falls to Toronto. Normal power was a bullet nose betty ( mountain type 6060 series ) , occastionally a northern.Return movement for engine on night train 87/187 - 84/184. Cirac may 17 1956 carried Hamilton/ Toronto express reefer. Did not carry mail,except in baggage during Christmas season. Number 93-94 Niagara Falls to Toronto leg of overnight Maple Leaf from New York city.Engine was off train 89-90. RPO worked between Toronto and Niagara Falls on 83-86 & 93-94. Discharged mail on the fly at Beamsville. Normal consist out of Niagara Falls was RPO LV baggage/smoker , two LV sleepers(pullmans) , CN coaches and parlour car from Niagara Falls and LV coach.Extra express cars on some days. Power was off of 89-90. Number 95 Niagara Falls to Hamilton section of number 6. Carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Niagara Falls and Hamilton. Normally powered by a Pacific assigned to Niagara Falls ( until april or may 1956 )After that time ,powered by engine off train 102. Number 101-102 Daily passenger train, Toronto to Niagara Falls. Heavy with head end cars. Carried RPO ( not on Sundays ) . Also carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Toronto and suspension bridge, discharged mail on the fly at Grimsby Beach and Vineland. Circa may 17 1956,carried Toronto - Hamilton express reefer. Consist included parlour car amd Montreal sleeper ( off number 17 at Toronto ); this equiment returned on train 107-108. normal power was bullet nosed betty untill mid 1955,then streamlined northern ( 6400's ). Engine returned to Toronto on 107/108 Mixed Train 218 Originally Stratford- Fort Erie mixed trains aperating as M218-M219,engine making two-day round trip out from Stratford. Express cars were lifted by M218 at places such as Caledonia,Dunnville,St Thomas. On most days , there was a CN reefer behind the tender on arrival at Fort Erie. On the trip home M219 lifted an express reefer of fish at Dunnville,which was handed to M238 at Caledonia for furtherance to New york city via train 90 from Hamilton. On the trip home M219 luifted express casr at Brantford. Effective april 27 1958 , trains operated between Stratford and Brantford as M218/M219 while former London-Fort Erie way freights 510/511 were modified to run between London and Brantford as 510/511 and between Brantford and Fort Erie as M220/M217.Until early 1957.regular power was a light pacific assigned to Stratford, after which Stratford assigned Mikado's took over. From april 1958 onward,Stratford assigned Mikados handled trains between Stratford and Brantford and Mimico assigned Northerns handled trains between London and Fort Erie.Steam last used on this train in april 1959. Fort Erie Race Trains Passenger extras Toronto to Fort Erie and return during the racing season ( spring and summer ). Consist made up of buffer ( non passenegr carriing car ), parlour car and sufficient best available coaches. No stops on Oakville subdivision west of sunnyside. Stopped briefly at Welland in both directions.Returned immediatly following last race. Any suitable passenger power was used including northerns mountains hudsons or heavy pacifics. Picnic Trains Anual picnic trains for big industries in the Hamilton area, went to Crystal Beach. Passengers were dropped at the beach,then engine went to Fort Erie to turn. Picnic trains used commuter coaches laying over. Again any suitable passenger power was used. Enjoy Rob
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