Hi Tom and all.
Good to see you back RUTH, you are looking, UM refreshed, so a Bathams please.
ERIC It is good to know they still run a circus train each year. I dare say there are some very interesting stories about the circus trains when they all traveled by rail in the olden days. The Great Central Railway in England has some passenger cars known as ‘Barnums' which related to the circus of that name but unfortunately I do not know their history, I believe there was a ‘Barnum' preserved at the GCR at Loughbourough although I am not sure if it is still there or what condition it is in.
Many thanks for the Zephyr photos.
I'm sure Mountain Man Mike will not be a problem to you in your new fitter state.
ROB It seems just you and I, at the moment, can see any resemblance between the Deltic and a North American diesel, I think it would be more evident in the prototype Deltic which did not have the headcode box and even a place for a headlight that was never fitted.
The 4-character codes were used on the front of locomotives and some multiple units from the early 1960s to the 1970s. They were for signalmen to identify the destination and route of the trains. The code is still used today for trains in the signaling centers and is shown on LCDs as the trains moves along the route diagram in the signaling centers. The class 87 electric locomotives introduced in 1973 and locomotives and units after this were built without headcode boxes. The locos that already had them display four zeros in the boxes and the boxes were plated over and marker lights fitted when they went through works for overall. The headcode box on the Deltic was re fitted by preservationists to give the loco the look when first introduced.
CM3 I agree the Great Western passenger locomotives did had a lot of style about them when the copper fittings and the paintwork was clean. The Castle class designed by C.B. Collett in 1923, a development of G.J. Churchwards Star class of 1907. Despite its small looking size out performed the Gresley original Pacifics in trials and the LMS power at the time of its introduction, so much so that the LMS asked Swindon to build them some Castles, this was refused so the LMS got the drawings of the Southern Railway's Lord Nelson class which formed the basis of the Royal Scot class. After the LMS got Collett's assistant William Stanier as Chief Mechanical Engineer it never looked back.
LARS MOI to blame for the turmoil in Mentor Village, it wasn't me who set up the double date with H&H that started the trouble. Anyway I hear Vito has been hired to look into a certain stolen contest entry.
I too am looking forward to more of Tom's building of the S-Capades.
Many thanks for today's covers from the Larsman Mobile, that is a great artist who does the Western Pacific covers and I have actually got the Union Pacific Locomotive Directory book..
You will be missed at the bar for the days you are away
RON. Yes compiling the "railroad events calendar" must take a lot of work but it is great reading those facts some as you say little known but fascinating.
It is interesting how the power was turned on and off on the stud system. I see in one of the links, the system was blamed for electrocuting a horse but it said the likely cause was that the poor animals were often badly overworked in those days. I guess they were trying to get the Tramway Company to pay for the poor horse.
DL That is great service you get with Classic Trains, I will have a look in the local bookshop for it, as it was not there last Saturday. I wish my magazines from the UK came as quick.
That sounds a great day at the Great Central Gala. I have seen the mail pick up at Quorn but I don't think they were allowed to go that fast those days, Sir Lamiel must have looked great. Those mineral wagons on the Windcutter are great, I donated to the fund to save them and was invited to special day when they arrived and were put into service. LNER A2 Blue Peter was on the GCR that day and we had special train to Rothley where buses took us to Rothley sidings where watch the run pasts, I will try to find some photos.
I think you are right about the slow approach to stations could be to do with SPADs
Yes Collectors Corner had that wonderful old building smell if I recall right
Good evening Leon , I think a guiness and oh what the heck he's enough for a round on me as well,gotta keep the registers cachinging.
Tom-Yup both teams are well , it's a public forum better not say it What I saw of teh game it seemed like it wasn't all that bad of a tilt , as with most pro-sports it's almost a licence to print money <barf>
Great to read about the S-capades again, the pics don't do the justice of the ingenious mounting system that you devised.
It's not a big deal that PEI lost it's RR now more than ever with the Confederation bridge up and running there's no need of trackage,beyond tater's and Anne of Green Gables they haven't much to offer. He duck's in case any Islanders are looking in.
I for one would love to see real working trackage on the Rock again , as it does make sence as anyone who's driven the eight hour trek cross province can attest.The scenery is way to nice to drive through a train ride would do it justice. that's it we need to start a bring back the Newfie Bullet website !
Mike & Dan-Some interesting urls to invest some leisure time reading into, thanks for sharing.
Lars-Ah yes organized chao's that's what I speacialize in besides someone needs to give the critters and Boris some excercise.Great covah's as always,lets just be thankfull that our thread here is remarkably JO free
Ron-Magnets would seem like a good thing to use to turn the studs on and off,much better than the in ground trough type always hot wire systems that were used in the earlier days of electrification, alot safer with the on off functions as well.
I 1/8 EMD model 40 would be a neat little project , nice thing about it you could buy one of the HO roundhouse ones to use as a template. Funny thing I saw a roundhouse 40 on one of the club layouts at the train show I was at last sunday and they had it pulling about six autoracks around. the kids in the room thought that was the cats behind , but you could tell that the serious rivet counter types disapproved by their wringing of the hands and muttering.
Rob
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual Tui`s for all the crew please!
Eric. Great to see your surgery went so well for you, a couple of years after they did mine you could`nt see where they`d operated. Now you can work up your appetite for that steak and all the trimmings at the Cracker Barrel. Nice lot of shots of the Zephyr, they were definate "keepers"!
Pete. A great set of pics of the Duchess of Hamilton, the A4`s, the Deltic and the Castle, all "keepers"! Nice write up and info on the A4`s and origin of all the names and numbering system for them. Great pics of Sir Nigel, she looks "brand new" in the new paint job! Sorry to read that the A4`s trip is all booked up, still you will have a lot to catch up on with Dan and the Alan`s! You were well rugged up in that pic Tom took at the Kirkwood rail museum.
Lars. A great double selection of covAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s
Nick. Good to see you back on board again mate. Sorry to read of your family`s sad loss. Good info on the nickname Taff.
Rob. Nice set of pics from your Grampa`s collection, sounds as if you have saved a lot of the collection he took BITD, enjoy all your pics over on the other thread too!!
CM3. Very interesting info on the Wabash passenger trains, and congratulations on your winning the green safe competition!
Ron. Very interesting list of events in 1935, the year of my birth no less! And good info on the movie "China Clipper" can just remember seeing it way back when. Hope your back pain is on the improve.
Chris. Good to see you again mate, should have waited longer for that vid to load, Sir Elton was over here last month for a once only show in New Plymouth, their is a a sound shell like the Hollywood bowl there, was`nt able to get any tickets, a lot of Australians came over for it. Nice crop of pics you posted, the "Bi polar" was a "keeper"!
Dan. Will heed your advice and go for The Classics set first, a very interesting set of links to those mine headstocks, my stepmother would`nt allow me to go down the mines when I left school so I ended up as a Boy Entrant in the Artillery, the mines and the shipyards were about the only main choice on Tyneside in those days!
Mike. Very interesting post of Nha Trang with the links to the regimental web site, were you an MP? MP`s in the Brit army were called Red Caps because of their red head gear. Some of my Kiwi ex service mates here served in `Nam in Charlie Co, NZ Infantry, and 161 Field Battery.
Jan. Nice to see you back on board mate, try and take it easy on that work ethic, thanks for your good wishes too!
CFournier. Nice to meet you!
Tom. Nice choice of flicks for the weekend, and very interesting Fallen Flags #32 on the N&W together with the drumheads and passenger train nostalgia #67 on the SP with the drumheads as well, and really enjoyed the write up on your S-Capades model RR with the links, a rather apt posti
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Off topic today, the mind wanders. Beg your indulgence.
Photos of Nha Trang by John Copeland of 569th Engineer Co., thanks John!
Camp McDermott
http://4twins.photos.military.com/photos/177048931-O.jpg
http://www.no-quarter.org/gui/detail.php?ID=33651
Map
http://www.569th.com/gallery/Command_center.jpg
'57 Chevy
http://www.569th.com/country/city/shops86.jpg
More photos of Nha Trang at 569th Engineers excellent website
http://www.569th.com/soldiers/camp/index.shtml
18th Military Police Brigade
http://www.geocities.com/militarypoliceofvietnam/TET.html
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=r6lQ-430NL0C&dq=Tet+:+The+Turning+Point+in+the+Vietnam+War+-+by+Don+Oberdorfer&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=7k5JeYPN67&sig=-l-teClE-5OI4ChWN0XRccCWrBg#PPA1,M1
Mike, former supply clerk at 16th MP Group in Nha Trang
G'day Gents!
Mid-week blahs ‘n don't know WHY!?!?! Beautiful blue sky day with temps just the opposite from yesterday . . . really cold while we await the arrival of a snow storm due in tomorrow at this time. Hope it's a whopper! <grin>
Thought I'd get in some ACKNOWLEDGMENTS while I'm on line . . . one never knows what the ‘morrow may bring!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - Jan 30th: (all times Central Standard)
Page 176 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:05 AM: A bit earlier than usual, but then again - what's "usual"
Good continuing flow of Wabash info . . .
For what it's worth - my heart is with the GIANTS, whereas my wallet says PATRIOTS! <dilemma>
Good to see ya ‘n many thanx for the quarters, ROUND ‘n chat!
Page 176 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:20 AM ‘n 8:31AM: Now, now - calm yourself down, Mate! Just come to the realization that ALL pro-sports is nothing but a money grab - YOURS ‘n MINE - then it's easier to handle. Blues beat ‘em - just a contest between two teams in dire need of a win. I don't see either going anywhere for awhile . . .
The last time the Blues dropped a game up there may very well have been when a group of us (with wives) attended a game at the old barn. It was a blast - we flew on the same Air Canada Regional Jet with the team . . . ahhhhhhh, memories!
Interesting thought regarding even a remote possibility of restoring rail to Newfoundland - even if only freight. If ever a landscape cried out for the use of it, that rock surely does! Now as far as PEI goes - well, that's ‘nother issue. A high-high tide would take care of that province in a heartbeat . . . <uh oh> Anyway, there's more necessity for rail on the rock than the little island, dontchathink I do.
Appreciate the visits ‘n chat!
Page 176 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:20 AM: Most happy to see your Post ‘n your Email has been received - thanx!
Should say straight off that I appreciate your comments on my Posts - there are times when I really wonder if the efforts are worth it . . . just one of those <daze> I guess. <groan>
Glad you enjoyed the S-gauge material - there will be more, just didn't want to inundate the place with discussions of Toy ‘n Model Trains - especially with the Hall Monitor overseeing things. <wink, wink> <nudge, nudge>
Hey Mate - there was NO "fix" when it came to the Name the Safe Contest. And yes - yours was in the lead until CM3 Shane dropped his on us. Win some, lose some ‘n others are rained out! Get over it . . . <Eagles song>
Yeah, I hear you regarding the racking up of numbers - just means more to some than others, I suspect. I KNOW how much time it takes for me to do the things ‘round here that I feel responsible for. Just can't imagine spending my entire day doing it. <barf> <ugh> <no thanx!> Some guys never had any toys when they were kids - or something like that, eh
Many thanx for the continuing display of those covers! Said it before ‘n it's worth repeating, "Don't know how you do it, but keep ‘em coming!"
Appreciate the visit, ROUND, chat ‘n covers!
Page 176 - Ron (DD1) at 12:03 PM: Good to see our Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi make an appearance.
Appreciated the comments on the S-Capades ‘n I thought ‘n thought of so many ways to design the thing. One did in fact include the use of wood. But I've been a big proponent for the use of the insulated foam boards (that's what I used for the Can-Am HO railway).
Hello Tom and all in
I'll have a pint of Holden's Mild please (they had some of this in a pub near me Pete, yesterday - rather nice!).
Just catching up a bit - quite a bit of new material even though not so long since I was last in.
Before going further I must complement Ron on the link to the Railplane article - fantastic - must have been a transcript or scan of an original review. I knew of this ‘Meccano Magazine' construction but never in any detail. Ron's post prompted me to dig out more info so I'll post the results of my research in due course for anyone interested.
On the home front quite a busy weekend - Saturday saw the delivery of both the new edition of Classic Trains magazine AND the recent edition of Rail (a UK current era publication). Sunday saw a trip to the Great Central Railway Steam Gala weekend - great stuff - 6 locos in steam - high speed run past with a King Arthur Class loco (as pictured on the front of a recent book cover by Lars) heading a mail train with at speed collection and drop off of mail pouches at at least 60mph ! It was amazing to hear (and see) the loco approach at speed from a vantage point less than 15 meters from the lineside at ground level. Run bys with a mixed freight and 16 ton mineral wagon train as well as 3 passenger consists in action. We were able to stay until the last train after night fall for some very atmospheric shots - and ride in the 1957 directors observation saloon - and - one for Allan here - take an interior tour of the now restored Coronation LNER streamlined observation car! They have four original interior seats - each one cost £ 500 to re-upholster!
Anyway - looks like my post on Tower Colliery was appreciated by various people. Allan, CM3, Tom and others (not least Nick - good to see you) certainly mentioned it as I recall.
CM3 - noted your point about head frame - we call them headstocks here - and this is very typical for a UK mine - all tend to be like this apart from some of the more modern mines sunk in or since the 1950s - which themselves are now closed.
These two being examples of a different style - the one at Cliptsone being a protected structure.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.c20society.org.uk/images/building/clipstone/clipstone_02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.c20society.org.uk/docs/building/clipstone.html&h=298&w=450&sz=74&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=oKFv_qudaD8N_M:&tbnh=84&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dclipstone%2Bcolliery%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DX
http://www.minersadvice.co.uk/images/harworth-2000.jpg
http://www.c20society.org.uk/images/building/clipstone/clipstone_02.jpg
With the mention of Cornish miners I noted recently that due to the increased price of Tin one of the Cornish mines has recently been talked about as re-opening. I don't think anyone ever thought that would happen - never say never eh?
Other comments on the pictures were of interest too. Being BBC shots they were quality photographs.
Tom, once again enjoyed the RR magazine covers.
Pete - you mentioned slow approaches of drivers to stop points - according to my driver friend this is due to the new focus on preventing passing signals at danger (SPADs) and the target focussed approach to this! Of course most SPADs are at slow speed and just roll over the line in error - with no accompanying danger - so station stops were prime candidates. To avoid these at all costs drivers are now going at walking pace into stations it seems.
Collectors Corner was a great place - good fun t poke about although back in those days (as should child) my budget was limited to paper memorabilia I think. Like you say they had good stuff at what now seems like good prices. I recall the old building they were in was some sort of railway stables back in the day.
Hope you can scan and post your slides. Eric must know the trick as we have been treated to a great many enjoyable pictures for his own collection! (Good to see you back in Eric - take it easy over future weeks I hope)
Allan - yes, hope you can source out the DVD's - I think you will enjoy them - I think the British Film Institute have published 6 volumes of BTF films plus a new remastered version of Night Mail with an accompanying more recent films on moving mail by rail and road. All are very good quality but if I had to choose one I'd go for the first volume ‘The Classics' - financial resources permitting of course!
Of course interesting to read your own comments about family connection in the coal industry.
Nick - good to see you in after all this time! Sorry to hear your time has been taken up with less than pleasurable activities. Nice that you have been able to take stewardship of the model collection - that what any enthusiast would want - to be able to pass it on to another relative with similar convictions I feel sure.
Rob - thanks for your feedback on the TTC future plans, interesting to read.
Well, I'll review a bit more recent stuff and have another Holden's please!
Regards
DL
Good day Tom and all present. A round on me if you please. First, let me thank all who responded to my "railroad events calendar". I'm glad that everyone was able to extract something from all the information that was submitted. I'll continue along this path, until I run out of years or you tire of it. I try to find facts that are not too common, that are many times obscure. I know, it takes a lot of digging to come up with something new, but I enjoy what I do. If you don't hear from me at times, it's because I'm still digging.
Eric: Glad to hear you are on the mend and I'm sure there must be an interesting story about Cracker Barrel and your participation. Maybe you have pictures or a press release you could share with us. Nice spread of Zephyr pics. That is truly a classic train.
Tom: I'm really impressed with how you built the S-Capades. That construction of foam and aluminum must result in a light weight layout suitable for hoisting to the ceiling. If I were doing it, I would probably build it with plywood and 1x4's resulting in a HEAVY layout. Is the layout an ungoing project or have you just started? S gauge seems to be favored by narrow gauge modelers more, so there probably isn't much standard gauge stuff available.
Rob, Pete: I found the stud system of power pickup interesting. The studs are powered only when a tram(or trolley) is over the studs. As soon as the tram passes, power to that stud is switched off. I'm not sure how they do it, but early systems relied on magnets to activate the circuit. That proved to be unreliable. I don't know how they do it on the Bordeaux tram line.
Chris: Loved the picture of the EMD model 40 engine. It would be a great little project for a kit bash or a 1:8 scale project to follow my current project.
CM3: There was a movie about the China Clipper. The following courtesy of the Internet Movie Database.
China Clipper (1936)
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Inspired by Lindbergh's flight, Dave Logan sets out with a Washington-Philadelphia airline but suffers financial problems... more
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Pat O'Brien
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Dave Logan
Beverly Roberts
Jean 'Skippy' Logan
Ross Alexander
Tom Collins, Logan's Partner
Humphrey Bogart
Hap Stuart
Marie Wilson
Sunny Avery
Joseph Crehan
Jim Horn, Import / Exporter
Joe King
Mr. Pierson (as Joseph King)
Addison Richards
Mr. B.C. Hill
Ruth Robinson
Mother Brunn
Henry B. Walthall
Dad Brunn
Carlyle Moore Jr.
Clipper Radio Operator
Lyle Moraine
Clipper Engineer
Dennis Moore
Clipper Co-Pilot
Wayne Morris
Clipper Navigator
Alexander Cross
Bill Andrews, Mechanic
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, I trust you had a safe voyage back to the Village ‘n that all went well during your extended weekend! <ahem> <blush> <errrrrrrrrr ahhhhhhhhh> Anyway, I'll take a mugga Joe with a jolt ‘n that should do for now. Boris may have that small jar of PPF after feeding the crittAHs - oh I see he has! A round for the house ‘n the change is for you!
This will be my last visit for a few days, email to Da Bossman explains it. Not to worry though, I'll be baaaaaaaaack! <uh oh>
Some pretty fine palaba since my last post - let me just give acknowledgment to those who've dropped by: Chris F - Pete - Eric - Rob - Ron - MoPac Chris - Jan - Shane ‘n of course our Cap'n!
I like the way Cap'n Tom has described our group - a small core of true supporters surrounded by some occasional visitors who appreciate what we do ‘n the way we do it.
For Eric: Very glad that you survived your surgery. From your writing, apparently you have! No hidden meanings in my Saturday encore - just copied it the way it was written, and added some color to it. But no other meaning. What in the world are you trying to stir up NOW
And WHAT's THIS A claim that my submission to the name the safe contest was STOLEN from the Desert Rat Are you kidding meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! <grrrrrrrrrrrr> Ain't so - and I shudda WON! <grumble-mumble-moan-groan-gnash-smash!> There's a FIX on, I tell ya - a FIX! <grumble-mumble-moan-groan-gnash-smash!>
For Shane: Congratulations on naming the safe <I think!>
For Pete: Should a ‘certain' person visit Jefferson City and make claim that a ‘certain person' is responsible for . . . don't blame me. <uh oh> Vito can "arrange" almost anything - given the price is met! <double uh oh>
For Rob: I see you've managed to get things to a state of organized panic in my absence. What in the world is going on Shots being fired - muskets racked - crittAHs scamperin' about as if their tails were on fire - Boris operating on fast forward <geesh> man <double geesh>! Get a grip . . .
Hey Bossman! Fine looking Norfolk & Western AND Southern Pacific material, for sure! Also today's installment of the S capades S-gauge is terrific too! I'm looking forward to the "rest of the story"! <grin> Hope we see some acknowledgments of your efforts as I KNOW you'll not follow up without interest. Wouldn't blame you though, for I'd be the same way.
Brings to mind a thought I've had about those guys who rack up the ‘numbers' in their posts. How many of those guys are putting out the kinds of "stuff" that YOU DO - day aftAH day I mean it just is so transparent to me. They "float" from thread to thread - forum to forum - dropping off this ‘n that - contributing just their two cents. Some thrive on just a few words per visit. Do they have their own threads Do they come up with original 'n innovative stuff By ‘n large nope . . . just racking up the numbers. Same thing going on now as when the "stars" were issued. That's how I see it. <barf>
Yeah, I know - ain't anything to get one's knickers in a knot ovAH - but there are days! <grrrrrrrrr> I'm still ticked that I can't get my hands around . . . . 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 - BINGO! <arrrrrggggghhhhh>
Ok, ok - I gotta take some deep breaths - so let me get to the Larsman Mobile for some covAHs <phew>
Western Pacific Color Pictorial, Vol 1
Union Pacific Locomotive Directory - 2003-2004
Johnstown Trolleys and Incline
Guide to North American Steam Locomotives
Southern Railway Steam Trains - Vol 1 - Passenger
Southern Pacific Classic Collectors Series (DVD)
Until the next time!
Lars
Visits from CM3 Shane 'n trolleyMAN Rob <twice> has gotten us off to a good start on this really, really C-O-L-D morning in mid-continent USA. <brrrrrrrr> Nearly time for the 2nd walk with Juneau, but first wanted to drop this off . . .
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Background: For more years than I care to count, I've been interested in S-gauge trains. Gilbert's American Flyer electric trains from my youth have always been on my mind. Being a Lionel-kid, of course my allegiance was to the 3-rail track ‘n trains, but inwardly, I really, really liked those S-gauge beauties!
A friend of mine said he had a "lead" on two sets of American Flyer trains that had been stored away for years - still in their original boxes. One was a Santa Fe Alco twin-diesel passenger set <drool> ‘n the other a steam loco powered freight - road name unknown. My friend said that he thought he could purchase them "for a song" and was I interested. "Are you kidding," said I!
To make a long story short - this venture never materialized. In fact just last week I asked my friend, "What ever happened to the guy with those American Flyer trains?" Reply was to the effect that he "dropped off the radar." Case closed. But not really . . . .
Back when my I was planning my Can-Am layout <2003>, I checked into the availability of S-gauge trains <not the toy trains of yesteryear, but the models of today> and found a few things that helped me make my decision to stay ‘n go with HO.
(1) Very limited availability of quality stuff, with two leading manufacturers producing very realistic and in scale loco's ‘n rolling stock <S-Helper Service, The Showcase Line - and - American Models>.
(2) Extremely limited equipment with roadnames ‘n liveries wanted, making it difficult to model a passenger railway "period pike" such as mine is; Canada-U.S. from 1990-present times, with VIA Rail, Amtrak, etc. Huge drawback - no RDCs . . .
(3) Almost non-existent accessories in comparison with HO; such as: automobiles, trucks, buses, figures <people ‘n animals>. Structures are available, but also very limited in selection.
(4) Limited track systems; in that it was difficult to find one manufacturer who "made it all.'
Decision time: After about 6 months of waiting for some positive information regarding those AF electric trains, I decided that it was time to "do something." So I did!
My criteria was simple:
(1) Build an S-gauge layout in the only remaining room in my basement - the storage room. This venture would require a pulley-system attached to the overhead beams which would enable the layout to be raised when the floor space might be needed for something else. The size of the layout was to be 8x7 ft.
(2) Find locos ‘n rolling stock for TWO railroads that existed within the same period - one passenger, two freight.
(3) A track system that included the roadbed, turnouts ‘n curved track to accommodate the 8 x 7 ft layout to be built <suspended from the ceiling on a pulley system enabling me to raise ‘n lower it when required>.
(4) The layout would be simple - an oval within an oval with 2 sidings ‘n a bunch of turnouts! All trains would be able to travel in ‘n out of the ovals through the use of insulated rail joiners, toggle switches ‘n my ingenuity! <uh oh>
Action: Almost everything I purchased for my S-gauge layout <aside from building materials> was acquired through an on-line hobby store called Port Line Hobby Supplies.
http://www.portlines.com/
I also got some very supportive advice in track planning from the people at S-Helper as I wanted only ONE type of track for my entire layout, which was satisfied by their S-Trax system. They even provided me with a track diagram to meet the needs I had outlined in an Email . . . you don't find THAT very often, do ya
I settled on the Illinois Central and Missouri Pacific for the mid-50s. The passenger train is IC whereas the freights are MoPac. Manufacturers are S-Helper Service - and - American Models.
http://www.showcaseline.com/index2.html
http://www.americanmodels.com/
The layout was constructed using 3 inch foam insulation board <pink> with a framework of aluminum. The hoist system was purchased from Harken.
http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/scpdinw1.ShowProd?409Z56LC7CH6I
Transformer is a beauty, made by MRC:
And it all began at this point:
Oops I see the coalminer snuck in right before me again,oh well Tom or is it Ruth can't tell cause of all these flowers,maybe a game of Marco Polo to find one's way back to the bar<sheesh> someones got more money than brains , there's enough plant's here that I'm affrain that the mentor bee keepers charges may invade soon.Anyway whoever's back there here's a thermos for another filling of the BK blend .
CM3-glad to see you in again in all this cold , dropped about 45 degree's here as well,mind you theh gas prices went up, to a round buck a litre,$3.80 your way sigh.
Great info on the Wabash's connections,I ahev somewhere a couple pictures of Wabash F units waiting by the Fort Erie Ontario station with some CNR Mikes in the background.It would be interesting to see shots of their ops along the L&PS. I expect that the connections in Walkerville and St thomas are the old Pere Marquette connections. The deisels they operated in St Thomas were built by London to get around the draconian, import exprot taxes of the day. Since the F's and Geeps mostly worked and stayed in Canada they got to pay Canadain prices, and know duty. those were the days (daze).
A quick good morning to all and sundry. <sneezes> wow look at all these flowers,I can hardly see Ruth for the plants.I wonder who had all these flown in on the Zep Perhaps a job for the inspector eh Well Ruth if you can find the tap I think a large BK splash and a number three , hold the pollen though <sneeze>
Tom-Yes I believe that the larger, re newer though that's a relative term of the NFD RR's loco's found homes in Chlie, Equador and El Salvador all on mountianous marrow guage routes.Similarly most of the CN's GMD1's ( were sold to the power starved Cuban railways ) these were standard guage units.
I hear you about the removing of the railway from Newfoundland and PEI for that matter,a desion made for ecconomic reasons more than anything else. Had the NFLD railways been standard guage they may have survived,the costs weer too great to blast wider clearances for modern cars and to standard the guage of the tracks,and to my knowledge the roadbed and trackage basically all needed replacing, big bucks for small gains in the ledger books of CN. Mind you lets wait and see because with all the oil revenue now flowing into NFLD who know some trackage and refineries may yet be built , I won't hold my breath but you never know.
As to hockey with a team as bad and as injured as the Leafs, they don't beat anybody anymore. Blow it up and start again is what most fans want, but the board and the teachers pention fund that controls them all they want is $'s so mediocrity will rule as with all the corporate seats they are never want for buts in the stands <barf> Ask me how I really feel.
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please (New England San Francisco Blend will be good today), round for the house and $ for the jukebox. The great cold front came through here about 230 a.m. - surely did get the K9 Korps upset, I guess the thought all the wind and rain was going to get him. We have had about a 35 degree drop in temperature. Gas is at $3.09 and we are counting down to the game on Sunday.
Rob visited with comments and observations.
MOPAC also came by with pictures and comments - what did they do to that MILW electric? Yikes!
Pete - Enjoyed your observations and the pictures of the two locomotives. The GWR (while not of my favorite lines as we have discussed before), is still lovely.
Eric - Glad to hear that you are up and around. Also thanks for the additional Zephyr pictures.
OSP Stopped by with SP material.
Here's a little more Wabash material for you - Boris, the maps, please. In 1957, the C&O connected with the Wabash at the following points
Calumet City, IL.
Chatham, ON
Chicago (via CR&I)
Clearing, IL
Detroit, MI
Peru, IN
Romulus, MI
St. Thomas, ON (via L&PS)
Toledo, OH (via TTRR)
Walkerville, ONT.
In short, we "followed the flag" to a lot of places.
Work safe
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Wednesday's Witticism
A man loses his dreams, his teeth and his follies - in that order.
Ruth is back! She'll be here at 9 AM (central time) . . .
And to the surprise of hardly anyone, we find ourselves once again at mid-week in mid-continent USA - the halfway mark to Friday!
Coffee's ready - pastries fresh - ‘n breakfasts all set for cookin' . . . why not join us
Temperatures dropped nearly 60 degrees in a 7 hour span yesterday - now that's a CHANGE, wouldn't you agree <grin>
Tuesday - Jan 29th: (all times Central Standard)
Page 176 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 10:27 AM: First day lite customer ‘n why would anyone be surprised that it is YOU
Your trip will be aboard a full-fledged Zep - none of those mini-versions <with girlie names!>
Many thanx for the inside scoop on the former Wabash - N&W "Banner Blue." Some fine insights provided that my guess only can be found within our confines!
Sure would've enjoyed traveling aboard that train - what a consist!
Another fine < I3 > Post with a continuing provision of quarters ‘n a ROUND!
Page 176 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:27 AM ‘n 10:39 AM: Tied for 1st day lite customer! <grin>
In the "What do I know? Department" - I think the abandonment of the Newfoundland Railway was a huge mistake, one that if the "rail fan emotion" <which I'm NOT!> gets removed from the discussion, leaves one with a huge question mark. What better way to move people ‘n freight in a place crying for rail transport! <geesh>
If you have some insights regarding the south American destinations for that narrow gauge equipment - it just might spur some interest from our friend Ron down in Mississippi. He's "big" on the railways of Chile . . .
Some interesting insights regarding the "chopping" ‘n stuff . . . things I'd never know unless tending bar in this joint!
Many thanx for the two visits!
Page 176 - Chris (MoPacBarrettTunnel) at 3:38 PM: I really try to discipline myself regarding time spent at the keyboard . . . too much of most things can turn one's head to mush. At nearing 70 - I'm still into variety . . . In fact, I only check my Email once per day, whereas in the past it seemed I was constantly "at it." I used to Post at this bar so much that perhaps it turned some guys away ‘n off . . . but that was then. Now, it's all on a much slower ‘n lower pace - ‘n I like it that way.
Should make additional commentary on that TERRIBLE looking GG1 in that RIDICULOUS Bi-Centennial livery you Posted earlier this AM. <arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhh> WHAT in the world did they do to "my" favorite locomotive Yeah, I've seen it before, but it always triggers these kinds of outbursts! <grin>
From the "Observation Deck" - word of caution extended: Please be mindful of "copyrights" - it's something we really try to respect ‘n urge the guys to get the "okay to use" prior to Posting . . .
Somewhere back in an earlier submission of yours we were "talking" about Amtrak 'n efforts to keep the trains in Missouri. Short answer is "no," I don't know the guy you mentioned. However, not being a "name dropper" <grin> I have met all sorts of people in Jefferson City who spoke a "good game" about keeping the trains on the tracks. My efforts were pretty much meager - I did manage to collect a thousand signatures on a petition back when there was a "threat" to eliminate both daily trains. In fact they did cut 'em to once per day for a short period - then the legislature got the message 'n it's been twice daily <both ways> since.
I never took the trip to KCity in "my previous life." It was only after "life II" began that this fascination of mine with that route began (1990). I guess I'm one of a dwindling few who can recall the trains actually getting to KCity on time 'n returning within a reasonable tolerance of it <time>.
Kirkwood station i
Good evening Leon. I see that thiongs have been a bit busy tonight for you that's good. i see that teh newly released Mentor Fusiliers are relaxing in the pool room. Good plan on having the Muskets stacked and made safe in the rats patoot room as well.I'm sure that Boris will make sure that the right man gets the right musket back.So for me I think I'll grab one of those bacon doubles that Chris ordered earlier and I think a nice Keith's to wash it all down with.
Jan-Good for you mate making the big 35 double O post talk about impecable timing.
Tom-Nice SP exposee.A good read from back in the archeives As always I try to keep up lars's good work. hope he enjoy's his last hours with his best friend.
Chris-What- ho a daylight rampage Nothings sacred around here anymore Your child hood home is long overdo for a visit methinks.Some great photo's though my friend , mind you the "daylighted" SP SD was a tad hard on the peepers.Is that bedraggeled B&O thing the old boxcab deisel #50 If it is it's in desparate need of a resto.
Pete-Some great info on the A4's and some interesting pics as well. The Deltics look alot like some of Baldwin's attempts at "F" unit carbody type locomotives , minus the extra cab.Some North American railways used rather large number boxes as well though not to the extreme of that one on the Deltic. I can remember however the Sante Fe and the SP using relitivly large number boxes with the train number as opposed to the locmotive number mounted high on the fronts of their loco's.
Eric-Good to hear that you are up and at it again. But just be carefull ,just because the bandaids are off follow the doc's orders you aren't indestructable.Hire someone to rid you of the mountainman. I'm sure that Vito would help you out for a price <uh oh > That or maybe you could get Helga to put the moves on him so you can win back your brunnette.
More great close-up details of the Zepher as well
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a plain ham sandwich and two Keith's would be perfect. Thank you!
Kind of busy day today! Very nice indeed.
Rob – Maybe your grampa knew more about photography than you knew about him! But regardless who took the photos, they are great anyway! I can see that Ron has already given you the info on who invented the pantograph for railroads/streetcars. Nice photos of the C-liners and the E unit! Ron – Good to see you again! I am just fine, thanks! Removed the bandaids today and I could hardly find the scars from the surgery! Just three very tiny holes and one a little bit bigger. It’s amazing what they can do today! Yes, I was quite involved with Cracker Barrel four-five years ago. I was featured on their website as a very, very regular customer and also in the local paper here in Phoenix. Your list over railroad events for all “your” years is growing. Chris – You are back! Two boosters! I did not even know such a thing excisted. Must have added quite a bit of extra traction! Especially with a full tender. I must admit that I did not even know why I posted a photo of #9908. Just felt like it. Those were kind of special kind of trains! But I would say it was in honor of your belated Birthday!!!Some nice photos of good locomotives! Especially the GG1!Is that BiPolar locomotive the one at St. Louis Museum of Transportation? It doesn’t look like it and I can’t recognize the surroundings. The last picture was taken earlier or it is showing another BiPolar. JanOlov – I agree, today’s designers should look back on what was modern yesteryear and take the best from it when they design new cars and locomotives today. Tom – I am glad the Cash Stasher won and not Manager Lars’ Nessie the Lock Master won. I was going to suggest exactly that name when he took it from me. Of course the brunette is on her way to Phoenix! What did you expect? I’ll take care of Mountain Man Mike when he gets here! Throw some fish to a Tiger and I am sure it will it them. Fish is cat food. If you have seen that interurban before it wasn’t in my photos. I scanned that photo the other day and it was the first time I showed it. Southern Pacific! One of my favorites! But I don’t like that Amtrak is only running Sunset Limited to and from New Orleans today instead all the way across the country. CM3 – Glad to be back and I feel much better. Should be back to work on Tuesday. Pete – Thanks for the info on the Duchess! I should be able to find those Circus train pictures. I took them at the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, WI, a number of years ago. They run a circus train every year to Milwaukee (and back). I am sure there is a message in Lars encore last Saturday. I don’t know if early British diesels had an American look. To me they look very British.
Some more Zephyr photos.
Eric
A pint of Batham's please TOM.
ERIC Glad everything went well and you are feeling much better now.
It would be good if you can find your photos of the circus train being loaded, I don't suppose that there are many circus trains that run nowadays.
I'm afraid I don't know how many coaches the Duchess had on that day, I would have thought about 11.
Yes 4498 is the same locomotive as 60007. The LNER had a strange numbering system in fact the A4s were in 4 different number groups although there were only 35 of them. In 1946 the LNER had a renumbering scheme and the A4s became No 1 to 34(the 35th A4 had been destroyed in a bombing raid on York during the war), even in this renumbering A4 No1 was not the first one built, that was No14 Silver Link. With nationalization in 1948 British Railways added 60000 to the LNER engine numbers. I think Allan could add some more to this.
Great photo of the Chicago South Shore car.
So you think there was a message in Lars encore Saturday HMMMMMMMM, could be.
ROB Glad you dad is getting on OK he will feel a lot better getting off that diet.
Poor old BORIS is not having a lot of luck with his inflatable ‘friends' lately, first Spike and now this. I agree any extra gas should not be sent his way as now he is back on the large PPF jars he has enough of his own.
Many thanks for sharing those great photos of your granddad.
Thanks for the info on the ‘Empress'. Real glad I did not win the contest if H&H are the Zeppelinettes
RON Many thanks for the link to the stud contact system; I see in the link there was another link that told of its use in Wolverhampton in the West Midlands of England, I found it very interesting.
I too did not know about the invention of the pantograph.
Really enjoyed reading about the events from January 1935. In the last couple of years they have re-laid some track on a short portion of the Lynton and Barnstable railway and running narrow gauge trains.
The Glasgow Subway is known as the ‘Clockwork Orange' due to the color of the cars.
CHRIS Great to see you in the bar again. Glad you are enjoying the photos.
Yes I enjoy reading about the E Unit and the ALCO early diesels, I though there was a look of the early American diesels on certain of the early British diesels. A photo of one of the ‘Deltics', probably along with the ‘Western' class Britain's favorite diesel class. I would be interested to know if you think there is an American look about the loco (apart from the headcode box on the front.)
The preserved first production Deltic D9000 Royal Scots Grey. The 'Thistle' emblem is the headboard for the Flying Scotsman train used by BR in diesel days.
You asked to let you know if I have seen any interesting locomotives in Jeff City. The only one I have seen is one of the locos working the local freight which is UP #613, which looks an older locomotive.
Many thanks for the great photos and the entertaining descriptions loved the comment about #630. I bet # 1134 was built many moons ago.
JAN Great to see you in the bar. Glad you are enjoying the photos and thanks for the kind words.. on posting the 3,500th reply at the bar
In the photo the locomotive is the A4 Bittern painted to represent Silver Link, the first A4 built. There were 4 A4s named with the silver theme to tie in with the Silver Jubilee express from London to Newcastle-on-Tyne. The other ‘Silver' A4s were (with their BR numbers).
60015 Quicksilver.
60016 Silver King
60017 Silver Fox.
Yes I think the Duchess's are my favorite locomotives
Quick lunch splash for me, Leon - double bacon-cheeseburger, loaded fries and a Michelob draught, please? BORIS!!!!Stop that, wilya please? It hasn't been THAT long.......... {but I still appreciate the ah, enthusiasm.} . And no, {ouch!} I haven't {Ouch!} forgotten about {ouch, Ouch!} good 'ol Spike either {Ouch-Sonofafrigginhillary-OUCH!!}..... So, let's get down to business, what?Jan - no apologies necessary for me "missed" Anniversary, Mate - I wasn't even here to celebrate it!!! These things happen when you get to be my age....... I obviously spent WAY too much time on a certain BEER LINE , but Drummers will be Drummers you know.......... Cap'n Tom - in all honesty {if not modesty}, I simply try to walk it like I talk it, my Great Friend. After a good 20+ years of public performance, I'd like to think that I've learned something about pleasing an audience, but it's always nice to be reminded every now and again...... "Not a blog-follower" doesn't wash with me, Mate - you're just plain lazy, 'cos you seem to appreciate some of the SAME "work" I do here, as I also do "elsewhere"........ {Yes, I'm teasing, Tom!!} Regarding Nick, I'll happily "cut heads" with anyone willing to do the do with me; doesn't matter if it's music, train, or conversation-based; fun is FUN, period. Haven't heard about any resto plans / news on our "Magic Bus," but I'll make an effort to get the latest lowdown when I get back up there sometime SOON. Unless YOU lot here keep sidetracking me with your own bloody Museum photos!!!Shane - grweat info, as always. Can't go wrong with the "St. Louis Blues," but you probably already know that, right? "Old Rivets" in Bi-Cen drag doesn't phaze me in the least - I've been "numb" since I met Phyllis Diller AND Joanie Rivers in the same year!!Rob - ah, my Dear Old "Rattletrap-Chap" - what can I say? I did mention that I literally grew up in the Transport Museum when I started posting here, but it's still true that I haven't visited my second childhood home yet - I'm just plain lucky to retain some intimate knowledge acquired many moons ago {meaning that I actually UNDERSTOOD the exhibit captions I was reading!} Call it a productive strain of ADD, if you like. You'll be the first to know when I finally make it back home, camera in tow - stay tuned!!Since I'm not used to Rampaging in the daylight, the following ought to make sense:Dig them crazy WHITE bugboards - who was in charge of the restoration - and what were they drinking?THIS is my idea of a Tastefully Mature Lady.........Hey!! Product of "Universal HEALTH CARE," right? {Or "Assisted-Living Facilities," take your pick}Okay, okay - I'll quit quaffing the fire-water for a bit..........Until Next, Mates!!
Doesn't seem like a "normal" day at the bar without our Manager, does it But the Assistant came by, so all's well at the Saloon by the Siding!
Need to make mention that our 3,500th Reply on our reborn Thread was made by Jan (JanOlov) this morning! A dram of your choosing on the house, Mate!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #67
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 239, Feb 6th, 2006, on the Original Thread>
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1948 advertisement in my personal collection.
On your S.P. trip to California See twice as much for the same rail fare Go one way - return another Here's an exciting travel bargain for your California trip: Southern Pacific offers you four routes. Choose one S.P. route to California, a different S.P. route returning, and you'll see twice as much for the same roundtrip rail fare from most points! You'll ride on some of these famous trains: Our Sunset Limited and Argonaut, via romantic New Orleans to Los Angeles across the great Southwest (Sunset Route). Our new Golden State, 45-hour extra fast, extra fare streamliner, and our Imperial, Chicago to Los Angeles (Golden State Route). Our sleek 50 ¾ hour extra fare streamliner City of San Francisco, and our Overland, Chicago to San Francisco via spectacular Salt Lake and Reno (Overland Route). And our Cascade and Beaver through the evergreen Northwest (Shasta Route). And on your 470 mile scenic trip between Los Angeles and San Francisco you have our exciting streamlined Daylights and our famous all-Pullman streamlined Lark that the movie stars ride. Send for the guidebook to plan with.
S*P
The friendly Southern Pacific
Some drumheads of the SP:
Enjoy! Tom
oops just caught the coalminers prose ,so Tom I think a bit more rocket fuel is required.
Cm3-Yes the 1800 was indeed off it's usual run, though apparently in the 50's they did get some use on a Toronto to Thunder Bay express mail train. I'll ahve to go and look up the details , I may need to borrow Boris and a couple carbide lights for that as well.
I have to say that some chop-nosings suit,the CN rebuilds of the GP9's come to mine the cabs have an angled almost Alco look to the cab face.The Empress well it had a long long nose and the chopping did it no justice , but at least she survives though somewaht neutered. Elgin County wanted Her and got her on her retirement in the late 80's. She was supposed to be operational as they had at the time a fair bit of trackage ( now since removed but that's another story ) The kicker is she had suffered a catastrophic piston failure so the 251 was removed and the body resealed right before shipping.At the time the CPR said that they would send a timed out 251 to the museum once they had purged all the Alco /MLW's from their roster. Unfortunatly the timeline was right when CP was horribly power short so all the surving C424's ,RS18's and M630's and 636's they could muster were pressed back into service.The long and the short no motor ever materialized and now all the CP Alco's are off the roster.
By the way Zepplinettes are most definatly not the same as Zepherttes, unless you enjoy seeing H&H in those costumes. Enjoy your flight
Morning Tom , I might as well have that BK splash now along with a number three. Here's another sack'o'coin for the coal scuttle as well Leon can pick his favourite dance tunes to play when he comes in this afternoon.<yikes> I hope the repair fund you set up with Chris will cover Leon's pention for the country line dancing, speacially since he's back in Hilda's good graces <uh oh >Musket fire on Mount Mentor , and it wasn't even the yearly darts tourney yet. thanks for the extra info on the CN77. It was a couple years ahead of it's time.A little known fact but when it was built it burnt bunker oil for fuel, imagine that.
Nice to know that our irregulars can still supprise us. it's what keeps us all reading along.
Chris-Glad you made it back in , fine spat of 40 year old babes I imagine waking up beside either H&H would render one almost speachless as well , or at least bound and gagged great way to wind up with the model 40 critter as well I'm actually afraid of what might happen should Nick and Chris be in the bar at the same time.Espeacially if they get into a battle of the bands. Oh yes Boris that might work , what a fine suit of armour you've made for yourself out of spikes spent quills and bed pans.
Great of you to have unwound the mystery of the bus.Are you sure that you haven't been to the msueum yet
Fergie's narrow gauger had many names over the years. It would have started out as a Newfoundland Railway unit. Then would have become a Canadian national unit then when CN spun them off they became Terra Transport right before the plug was pulled. Now alot of them have gone to south America on various narrow guage mountain lines down there.
Jan-Great to see you back in Mate and in fine inclusive form.It took me a bit but then I figured out that the times you quoted us as posting as were your time.I didn't think i had posted at 3 in the morning. oh well he shuffles over and asks for another BK splash.
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee please (New England Four Seasons Blend will be fine); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Weather is cloudy today, rain later, then a 35 degree drop in temperature and snow. Gas holding at $3.09.
I won? A Zeppelin trip with a stateroom? Excellent - Hope Boris uses the helium. One question, however, is a Zepellinette the same as a Zephyrette?
Mentor Musket Corps - probably a auxiliary of the Mentor Fusiliers who have rendered noble service during past darting activities. Well, maybe the Musket Corps is out because the Fusiliers are still locked up - I'll have to send a carrier pigeon to the top of the mountain.
Let's see what's happening today.
Jan visited - nice to see you here.
Pete - I appreciated youir reminiscence of your see the Midlands tour. The Gresley shots did enlarge. We used to do trips like that in the long ago. Tried to get a train out of Boston with a drawing room parlor so we could have breakfast or lunch w/o interruption. Then a train with a prlor and a diner for activities on the way home. It made for a long day, but, as you suggest, it was well worth the effort. I know, Boris it was before Amtubes and always late trains.
DD1 - Good stuff as always - China Clipper? Something I wish I could have traveled on.
Eric is back - Hope you are feeling better and thanks for the "Silver Charger" picture.
Lars was by - Yikes! Another WP book to consider. I have the Pentrex item as separate tapes (I know, its so 20th century technology) Go Giants!
CFournier! Holy cow! Truly a blast from long ago. You can see there are a few barflies left from days gone by (lol).
Rob - Agree with your comments re chop nosing power. It just doesn't look right sometimes. I enjoyed the shot of CP1800 which was way off its usual territory.
MoPac was by with information and pictures as well. I remember photographing RI 630 in service at La Salle St. Something lese for the rendezvous.
Old Rivets in Bicentennial livery - Gad!
OSP provided some interesting information on the N&W. "Banner Blue" was, of course, a Wabash train which went over in the merger. IIRC, Green Frog has a tape on the Wabash which shows some good color footage of the "Banner" which had hw cars for a long time after the merger. We must see is we can find this piece in the vaunted video vault. Boris, ready a box lunch and the carbide lights - we're going hunting!
Back to when the Wabash was still the Wabash (c. 1950), the "Banner Blue" was an afternoon train between Chicago. No. 11 departed Chicago (Dearborn Station) at 11:00 a.m. with a 4:35 p.m. arrival in St. Louis. No. 10 left St. Louis at 12:00 noon and arrived in Chicago at 5:40 p.m.
Consist for both trains was: Parlor-lounge; diner-lounge; reclining seat chair cars, and a drawing room observation parlor car.
Two former Wabash trains remained right before Amtrak. N&W trains 121 and 122, the "Blue Bird," carried coaches between St. Louis and Chicago. A diner lounge ran on this train between Decatur and Chicago. Trains 301 and 304, carried the venerable "Wabash Cannon Ball" name. This was a buffet coach and coach operation between Detroit and St. Louis.
Source for above is Official Guides.
Hope that answers the questions that folks asked.
Tuesday in mid-continent USA where the winter warnings are "up" for the possibility of "measurable snow" by week's end. I'll believe it when Juneau ‘n I trudge thru it!
Coffee's freshly ground ‘n brewed - pastries stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case - and our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts lined up on our Menu Board! So, what's the delay <grin>
Comments from the Proprietor:
The winning entry for our Name the Safe Contest is: <drumroll>
Cash Stasher - submitted by CM3 Shane (coalminer3)!
Prize: A round-trip aboard Zeppelin One for pick-up ‘n delivery of those rather hard to find brews from "the continent." Mid-nite departure from the Zeppodrome. Stateroom accommodations for two included.
Many thanx to Lars - Rob - Mike <disqualified, but . . . > - Pete ‘n Allan for participating! One free super-sized mugga Joe with a jolt <or BK splash> at a time of your choosing!
Tuesday - Jan 28th:
Page 175 - Pete (pwolfe) at 5:42 PM: I think pandemonium might be a good description for a crowd of inebriated folks waiting for an interminably late Amtrak train after a day of "festing" in Hermann. <yikes>
Can you imagine what a collection you'd have IF those timetables from your youth were in your possession NOW Yeah, I can appreciate the feeling . . .
Hoping that CM3 Shane will come through with an answer to your question regarding the N&W drumhead "Banner Blue."
The only thing I'm not enthralled with about those A4s is the "face' looks rather "plain"- fine looking MoSheens from side views though. Fine spate of fotos, Mate!
Mentor Musket Corps! Will it ever end So those shots I heard were . . . . now I get it! <grin>
A fine < I3 > Post from our Bar Chandler!
Page 175 - Eric (EricX2000) at 6:08: PM: The "grape vine" has it that the brunette is en route Phoenix for the Super Bowl with Mountain Man Mike <Proprietor of the Second Class Saloon>. Just thought you'd like to know . . . <uh oh>
Lions ‘n Tigers eat "red" meat - aren't they cats <grin>
My guess is we've seen the last of our young friend, James - However as demonstrated these past couple of days, SURPRISE is all a part of this experience in the Ether!
Keeping Stealthy Pete within view wasn't quite as difficult as it had been - after all, I had the keys to the car AND the "path" to the TrainWreck Saloon <next day>!
Nice looking interurban - which I believe we've seen before, but well worth viewing again!
Appreciate the < I3 > Post from our recovering Resident Desert RETIRED Swede!
Salutations Tom and fellow brethren....
Chris!!!! Sorry for being three days overdue....
May I please have a cup of black Java, those two sandwiches and a doughnut, thanks...
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer...
siberianmo 01-23-2008, 12:58 PM: Thanks Tom....very much appreciated!
siberianmo 01-23-2008, 2:20 PM: That's some awesome collection that you have there matey!
coalminer3 01-23-2008, 3:45 PM: Super Chief...good choice! How did the Olympian and Olympian Hiawatha compare to these you think?
Da Larsman 01-23-2008: 4:48 PM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated! Work seem to start to catch up again and some days your're just too to play around on the cyber waves. Still trying to get back as much as possible here any way, need to keep the intake to an for us all acceptable level, right? Nice covers!
EricX2000 01-23-2008, 7:40 PM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated!
siberianmo 01-23-2008, 8:11 PM: Now, I liiiike these pics...!
pwolfe 01-23-2008, 9:33 PM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated! Always enjoy your pics...
Fergmiester 01-24-2008, 12:28 AM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated! Is that Canadian National equipment?
Gunneral 01-24-2008, 1:31 AM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed the pics...
trolleyboy 01-24-2008, 3:38 AM: Thanks Mate, very much appreciated! As far as I know the small people and animals stayed away....
EricX2000 01-24-2008, 5:08 AM: Thanks again! I need to go back and look.... Great pics!
DL - UK 01-24-2008, 3:06 PM: That road trip was nothing then, if he saw action in WWI...wow! Would love to have one of those old BSA's, AJS', Triumph's, Norton's, Harley's or Indian's...and a Stratocruiser....Boeing 377, along with Lockheed Constellation my two favorite airliners...style and class!
Da Larsman 01-24-2008, 5:14 PM: More nice covers...!
siberianmo 01-24-2008, 9:00 PM: Awesome pics!
trolleyboy 01-25-2008, 3:27 AM: Nice pics matey....I've always liked the C-Liner.
wanswheel 01-25-2008, 3:36 AM: Nice pic and some more links to check out I see...
wanswheel 01-25-2008, 4:08 PM: I really wish that this pic was in color...wow! I wonder if you'd get any passengers, if you'd run a train like that today? Probably would cost a few $$$$ to build new, if you had the plans for it.... would $5.000.000 be enough...hmmmm.
Da Larsman 01-25-2008, 4:24 PM: Nice covers as always. The WP is interesting....
DD1 01-25-2008, 4:32 PM: Your mooore than welcome to keep the fish mate....
siberianmo 01-25-2008, 10:24 PM: Steeeeaaammm.....mmmmm....drooool! Great Pics!
pwolfe 01-26-2008, 1:40 AM: Is that the "Silver Fox" in the picture?
pwolfe 01-26-2008, 3:18 PM: Keep those pics coming mate!
siberianmo 01-26-2008, 6:37 PM: Nice pics! Montréal's Central Station seems to be an modern station, or am I wrong?
siberianmo 01-26-2008, 10:33 PM: Looooove those train ads...! More please!
pwolfe 01-27-2008, 12:50 AM: LMS Duchess class 4-6-2 No. 46229 Duchess of Hamilton....now we're talking great british steam..... Great pics!<
Evenin' Gents!Leon, a pitcher of Mike's Hard Lime, and a four-cheese pizza, if you would. Yeah, I did have a pleasant B-day, thank you, Leon. BTW - here's a jar of PPF for you-know-who, and some Nacho-Cheese Bugles for Spike and the rest of the "critter menagerie!" Before I get down to my serious business, I'd like to address the room in general, if I might?A collective thank-you to all the well-wishers this Saturday past; I'll try to ping all of you individually in the post, but in case I miss anyone, let me assure you that I deeply appreciate ALL the sentiments. Those who've been keeping up with my blog will have an idea of what's been occupying all my time since I was last here, and everyone else are welcome and encouraged to visit my blog {linked in my profile here} to answer questions / satisfy curiosity. You lot are something else, and you'll have ample warning if and when I ever have to leave this place - my time here already, though short, has awakened many dormant memories I should have re-lived sooner, but never got the chance to until I came here. For that, I thank all and sundry for accepting me here, and I sincerely hope ours will be a long, fruitful, and mutually-enjoyable Journey together - I'll try to be more "regular" when I can.
February's tab is on ME - have at it ALL in Mass Quantities, Gents!!!Starting off as usual with the Kudos:Wanswheel {Mike} - There's plenty of blue ink Mate - the only obstacle preventing me from heavily draining my stash is the old "hours-in-the-day-night" mess!! As for your Unipac question, yes I've jokingly used that term as modern-day slang-reference, especially when I first saw Uncle Pete's "Heritage" SD-70ace MoP 1982! Yes, yes, yes - on Kirkwood Hill, to boot. Can't really comment about the Tet offensive, other than noting it happened whilst I was entering this world.........
Shane - liked the pic of the National Limited, eh? I've seen a couple color shots of it somewhere; I'll see if I can find them. Mopac steam? Yeah, there's a ton of fascinating info on the subject, a lot of which will hopefully be fodder for some of my future postings here. Know now that I'm a born sucker for all the early E's, wth MoP's beauties heading the list, followed closely by Uncle Pete's E-2's. Love the great historical data you post - NEVER a dull read!!! Finally, thanks for the Birthday sentiment!
Cap'n Tom - great National Limited info, my friend. I was fortunate to ride it from Union Station to Kansas City in the late summer of 1978, just before Union Station closed in it's original incarnation and service. Ties in well with your bit about Amtrak's 3rd Missouri train; I've heard bits and pieces here and there on the radio about it, but not much in-depth yet. When the River Cities was running in the mid-late '80's, we did have three dailies between KC/St.L, but the *** bean-counters dropped the axe in short order. Thanks for the WP&Y link; I'll poke around all of it when I can -it's already bookmarked. More Kirkwood material will be coming, and special thanks for the Ocean car review, fabulous B&O "Original" Natonal Limited info, Swiss dome car, museum pics {the SEPTA PCC really stuck a chord in me - I can still see it clearly when it was forlornly parked across Barrett Station in Doc Robert's "bone-front yard," awaiting salvation that didn't seem likely}. Your "mystery bus" was built in 1948 by Twin Coach along with five others for Mopac's onetime interurban subsidiary in Texas. RS-3 4502 is just simply too gorgeous for words............
Rob - haven't hit the Museum yet, but will when time / weather allow. Never underestimate {or arm-wrestle} a gandy-dancer; they really DO have strong arms!! As for the pink cobblestones, I got the chance to visit the quarries where they were mined {about halfway to De Soto, on the MoP's River Line}, and both pink and the more common grey-blue streaks of granite were visible on the long-silent walls. MoP E units combine two great subject near and dear to me, so 'nuff said! Really enjoyed the oddball diesel and Canadian diesel pics tremendously, and 10-Q for the B-day ping! I'll be here when I can...........
Lars - I hear you - and I'm rather time-constrained myself these days!! As always, LOVE the pics-n-stuff; glad I'm among several other "photo pack-rats" around here......DL-UK - Mopac Chris, or Chris works just fine, Mate - glad to meetcha at "last!" As I think I've mentioned earlier, I've got UK blood in me too, so I'm always happy to meet another "cousin!" I totally agree with you about the vintage pics - I myself shake my head just looking at all the stuff I personally saw - think of all the rest that I didn't see, during the same time.Pete - you're too kind, sir. Glad to share the info on the Eagle cars; such stuff always fascinates me. I look for the old road names too, and these days I'm struck by how many have vanished - with shippers and private owners now making up the bulk of the rolling-stock we see today. Glad you liked the E unit history, plenty more in the wings. Don't sell your pics short, Mate - the rotary pic looked just fine to me!! LOVED the German steam, Museum, Bittern, and Duchess pics!!! Thanks for the B-day ping too, Mate - I also enjoyed Ron's info!Eric - yep, us Night loons are a breed apart!! MoP had a pretty wild infatuation with tender-truck boosters, wich I'll get to eventually - for now, chew on the idea of #4000, and 2-10-2 # 1729 both having tenders with TWO boosters installed!! FYI, the caboose in the shot I posted was one of the 1937 Magor-built crummies which are favorties of mine. Was that shot of #9908 in honor of my recent you-know-what? If so, Thank You, kind Sir! If not, Thank You anyway!! {I know you pinged my B-day belatedly - while I missed it here TOTALLY - I'm just indulging in my usual teasing.}Allan - g'Day and thanks, Mate!! The "Sir" question was for the Sir Elton John vid on the same page. Thank You for the B-Day wish; even though I can't be around as much as I 'd like, I'm not letting go of this place........
Ron {DD1} - hope the recovery's coming along, and THANK YOU for the B-Day info; I was aware of Paul Newman, but the rest is delightfully new!! {Heh, and didya notice how I discovered your name "out of the blue" - I might not be here all the time, but I'm 100% aware and observant, when I am...... }Jan - I think we've already met, but glad to again!
Good evening again Leon. i think another keith's is required oh and here's a sack o coins to put in Herr wurlitzer since Ron has pointed out that it's Mozarts natel day the selections shall be "The Magic Flute"
Tom-Just have to mention that I love your new top o the post pic. Nice shot of the preserved CNR oil elelctric locomotive
Ron-Interesting info on the stud system and on the invention of the pantograph. I too thought it was a European creation. they certainly have fell in love with it .Loved this weeks railway history post as well. Good job sir
Here's couple more of Gramps pics.
The E unit 1800 on the point of a passenger train. According to the caption on the back of the photo it's taken at Sudbury Ontario, far from it's normal stomping grounds.
A CPR C-liner leading a train near the Cominco refinery near Trail BC
another Cp c-liner
enjoy
Good day to Tom and all at the bar by the tracks. The usual round all around. Pete, Allan: Glad you liked the railplane story. Nice pics of the British rails. The "kids"(32 &33) have been out celebrating Mardi Gras. My daughter is riding her 4-wheeler in the local parade.
Happy birthday W.A. Mozart(Jan 27). I hope the railroad events of 1935 may open a niche you may not have thought of before. Nice thing about Wikipedia is the ease in which links can be accessed without the need to search many sites.
For Rob and others interested in trolleys. You have seen the stud contact system for model railroad track used by Marklin. Did you know that it has a prototype that is still in use today on the Bordeaux tram rail system. Click on this site for the full story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stud_contact_system.
According to the late rail historian Harre Demoro, the pantograph was invented by the Key System shops for their commuter trains in the East Bay section of the San Francisco Bay Area in California. They appear in photographs of the first day of service in 1903. For many decades thereafter, the same diamond shape was used by electric rail systems around the world, and remains in use by some today. And I thought the Europeans invented it.
Nick from West Wales: You are so right about Jacqueline Dupree. She was the greatest but I didn't know about Gus or the connection with Keith Richards and Mick Jagger. Wow! What a lot of talent I love classical music and also Jazz.
Eric: Nice looking Zepher. Hope you're feeling better after the procedure. Of all the restaurant around, Cracker Barrel IMHO is the best of them all. Did you know that Cracker Barrel is owned and operated by Dan Evins and that he owns 570 stores in 41 states and has no plans to franchise.
Lars: Nice looking collection of RR covers.
The Events of 1935
January 2- Chicago and North Western Railway begins "400" passenger t The pantograph,.
Good evening Leon , good gawd gertie is that an insect bite on your neck Oh I see you and Hilda are together again <wow>How are the compund fractures suffered by Vito's boys oh, well non life threatning is good I suppose. Just a Keith's I think tonight , thank-you.
Pete-Nice pics of the Sir Nigel
I think you need to go over your basic physics again , musket balls & black powder should NEVER be mixed or pointed at anything filled by Boris espeacially since Boris often confuses helium and hydrogen Then the invoices pile up
Thanks for the concern about dad he's fine , the stitches are more a bother than the work but they come out tomorrow so he should be off his gruel , and water diet.
Also I have warned you constently about allowing H&H to double date , you know what happened last time, when they went to Oktoberfest with Leon and Boris ....
Eric-Nice to see that you are on your feet again , go see Boris he may have a use for the extra gas <uh oh >.Your right light rail systems don't cut it like the classic streetcar systems.
Loved the Zepher photo
Glad you likied gramp's pictures. Now thiose are shots left to me , i knwo for a fact that he did not shoot them as I don't think he knew which end of a camera to hold,but he always had a love of railways, never modeled but just liked them,so I'm happy to keep them. I'd love to know who the actual shooter is /was as he / she had one heck of a good eye.
Lars-Great covah's sir here's hoping that stealthy Pete dosn't know which flight the fair maiden is returnig on. >uh oh >
Tom-Good to know that you are pacing yourself,nice round of drumheads from the N&W. I imagine that our coal minning friend will have more on them again. Looking forward to that Some heart stopping supprises the last couple daze as well , good things though, I hope.
Chris F-Hello sir good to see you again. I hope that this is a mere preview of whats to come
CM3-I'm glad that you liied the classic CPR shots. The Empress out on the road was an odity. She just does not look the same anymore, chopnosed and sitting in The Elgin County Museum.I've seen a similar snow bound shot of one of the CPR E's when it was in commuter service in Montreal , it was pulling into the station with snow literally up past it's trucks !
Leon, young man,it's time for me to have pne of my favorites, Rumpsteak Café de Paris, again. Yepp, with a cold Keith's!
Good to be back after my surgery. I want to thank everyone for all well wishes I've recevied. Everything went well and I am fit for fight again!
First a Belated Happy Birthday to Chris!!! Hope we’ll see you again soon!Tom – Nice photos from the St. Louis Museum of Transportation! A Big Boy is never wrong! It certainly would be nice to see one in operation! I missed the Cotton belt Snow Plow last May! Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range #502 is something for James (wherever he is??) from his neighborhood. C & I M is a good looking locomotive! And you managed to catch Stealthy Pete! I am impressed! What did you do, poured glue on the ground? Montréal’s Central Station that I missed! It looks like a classy station. Too bad we never made it there. Plus a number of Streamlined posters, including one from Spain (not streamlined), some drumheads and Magazine covers! The last cover shows loading of a Circus train. I just remembered I have some photos of exactly that. Loading a circus train. I have to find them. Good movies, exspecially the first one, Night Passage! I’ll see if I can get the brunette to come along. Maybe you have seen that Zephyr once or twice before. It’s hard to know. 27 times?CM3 – No quiz? Of course there is a quiz and I knew that you knew where that photo was taken! You know that part of the country. I am sure you know exactly where it was taken (what mile post?). I know basically only on what line it was taken. DL – I am glad they saved the the BR film! Old films like that should always be saved for the future! Lars – Interesting book covers and a DVD case! I’ll pick the Union Pacific Diesels 1934-1959 this time! To that I’ll add Western Pacific in Color! UP and WP kind of belong together.I guess you are trying to tell us something by reposting Doug’s post from almost a year ago! Hmm, pregnant and a day with “my friend”!?! HmmmDistinguish between Da Bossman ‘n Ruth? I thought “her” voice sounded kind of harsh. It was all that gas they filled me up with last Friday that confused me. It is still leaking out in different places.American Steam Finale 1954-1970 looks like a good one! Rob – So Toronto is the only city with a classic streetcar system today? Light rail is nice, but not quite what I call a streetcar system. Your grandad took nice photos! I especially like the CN C-liner! Or the three B&W CPR photos! I guess they are from the 50’s or early 60’s. Mike – Thank you for the link to the History of New Sweden! There is a park in Wilmington, DE, where there are some old stuff saved. If I remember right the park is in the location of Fort Christina. I have some photos from the park somewhere. Ron – I knew from the beginning that you are a nice guy! A Cracker Barrel fan! What can possibly go wrong? No, let’s talk about something else (things can go wrong). For instance that strange vehicle hanging from a rail with a propeller. No, it doesn’t make sense to me. Fish is not for me, it is cat food.Pete – Glad you received your scanner! If you have any questions I’ll be happy to (try to) answer them. That first photo looks great! Nice photos from Arnstadt! Allan seems to be traveling a lot! Nice photos of the Duchess of Hamilton! How many coaches did it pull up that grade? Also nice to see “Sir Nigel Gresley”! The paint looks very nice! Is the top one, #4498, the same as the other one in blue, #60007?Fergie – I thought it might be some kind of cover. I was afraid they had replaced the windows with some plastic. Too sad it has to be done.Allan – I feel a lot better now and I am thinking about what I am going to eat when I get to Cracker Barrel in a few days! Mmmm. Nick – Good to see you again, Sir! Sorry to learn about your father-in-law. Looking forward to see photos of your new layout when you get that far!
A pint of Bathams please TOM, I see you will be behind the bar until Wednesday. Guess I am too late for a free breakfast on Rob
TOM Two more good films on at the Emporium this week, with the prequel to Stone Cold in Night Passage and Slap Shot 2 two films I have not seen. Then the Stooges trying their hand as fishermen.
It would be interesting to see what goes on in Hermann on a Saturday at Ocktoberfest with the patrons waiting for a late running Amtrak train as you say defiantly to be avoided. It will be good to go to Stone Hill again when the weather improves a bit.
Glad you enjoyed the photos, the Duchess is a great locomotive, and it should not be long now before she reappears in the streamlined form.
When I was a kid my grandfather worked part-time, after his retirement, in a department store, which had a travel agency. The travel agency had a very large poster that was used to show all the train departures from Rugby Midland station, the same poster was displayed at the station. After the timetable change each year and the poster was changed, my grandfather was able to get the old one, it was marvelous, with it showing the time and the stops of each train with the name trains in bold letters. I wish I still had them today but they are long gone I'm afraid.
Yes I remember Chris; I know he treated me very well when I first called in the bar.
Many thanks for the Norfolk and Western Fallen Flag and drumheads. Roanoke is a famous name in railroading, I had heard of it before I came to the U.S.A.
I have to ask about the Banner Blue drumhead.
NICK What a great and good surprise to see you back in the bar. Really sorry to read about your father-in-law, Alan.
It certainly is the end of an era with Tower Colliery closing.
Really hope you are able to come to the bar on a regular basis again, we have missed you.
ROB Hope your dad is getting better after the oral surgery.
Many thanks for the kind words on my photos over the weekend. I am really glad I brought the photo albums over with me.
I remember reading about the ‘Empress of Agincourt in the bar it is good to see a photo of her in action, enjoyed the two other classic diesels as well .Thanks for sharing.
I did think of asking the Mentor Musket Corps to help out in escorting that certain lady, but they were busy, as one of BORIS's helium filled friends had escaped and the Corps were on Mentor Mountain trying to shoot it down before it got into the Zeppelin's flight path.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photos of the Duchess. The engines that worked the Stratford-on Avon specials and some fantastic trains that ran on a itinerary from London Marylebone to Sheffield via High Wycombe, Banbury, up the ex Great western main line to Birmingham then the Midland line through Derby and round the ‘old line' at Sheffield so the locomotive faced south again. It was a tour of over 300 miles by steam and often meant a 22 hour day traveling from Rugby with a 3am start to be able to get to Marylebone ready for departure time, that was when the was a night Irish Mail ran. The first part of the journey was crewed by men from the ex Great Central Neasden shed and were very good drivers and fireman. We had one trip with the Duchess which climbed Saunterton grade from a standing start that produced almost record horsepower from the loco, the sound was fantastic.
I noticed the electric in the circus train cover.
ERIC Glad the operation went well and you will soon be free of pain.
Looking forward to your visit when you have caught up and great photo of the Silver Charger
LARS I'm afraid the romantic attachment between H&H and Guido & Louie is no more. G&L asked the ‘maidens' out on a double date Saturday night (I suspect as a loyalty test set by Vito The
Time again for an installment from our Blast from the Past Archives in the form of a Fallen Flag Passenger Road . . .
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #32
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 151, Feb18th, 2006 on the Original Thread>
Norfolk & Western (N&W)
Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Headquarters: Roanoke, VA Mileage: 1950: 2,129 Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 610 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 75,621 Passenger cars: 251
Principal routes in 1950: Lambert's Point (Norfolk), VA-Columbus, OH Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH Lynchburg, VA-Durham, NC Roanoke-Hagerstown, MD Roanoke-Winston-Salem, NC Walton-Bristol, VA Bluefield, WV-Norton, VA
Passenger trains of note: Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus) Birmingham Special (New York-Birmingham, AL; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol) Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati) Pelican (New York-New Orleans, LA; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol) Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati) Tennessean (New York-Memphis, TN; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol) Cannon Ball (Norfolk-New York; joint with ACL; RF&P; and PRR; operated by N&W Norfolk-Petersburg) Of Note: In 1964, the N&W added the Wabash and Nickel Plate road to its system along with the Columbus-Sandusky line of the PRR, which the PRRR sold to the N&W. In 1981, the N&W added selected lines of the Illinois Terminal RR to its system. This Fallen Flag focuses on the pre-1964 N&W.
Some drumheads of the N&W:
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