Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, just a mugga Joe with a jolt ‘n maybe a half-sandwich of ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH on a hero roll <hard> if you please! Oh yeah, one extra large ‘n crunchy pickle from the barrel would go nice with it too. A round on me for the boyz ‘n the change is YOURS!
Boris, you've been a good cyclops, so g'wan 'n take that LARGE jar of PPF! <uh oh>
We just motored back from "up the coast" where it's been a loooooong few days. Beginning to wondAH . . . anyway, let me just say that I haven't checked the posts since my last visit, but will. I did fly through the pages ‘n saw all kinds of "stuff" - doubt that I'll evAH get to the Urls though - just don't have the time for those. "PitchAHs" are so much easiAH! <grin>
I'll get into my email before the weekend is ovAH . . . that is provided no more interruptions to what is supposed to be this life of leisure. <groan>
Took note that Nick has been back with two visits. Bodes well for some hope that we'll be increased by one more, even if only now ‘n then. Betterin not at all, huh Pete 'n Rob are payin' lots of attention to mattAHs too! No, no Pete - that doesn't mean or imply anything leading to a pay raise! <geesh> Shane has been doing his part too - so all in all the regulAHs have come through - oh yeah, can't forget the <trouble maker> in the desert - Eric! <frown>
As always, Cap'n Tom is holding things together with some fine help from da boyz! Very glad that you finally got that snow you've been beggin' for. Juneau must be a happy pup these days, huh <grin>
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Found these way back on the "old site," they were all in succession. Thought it would be a "goodun" for this Encore day! Especially since these three are now "used to be" guys with only my "bookend" BK having had the decency to tell us 'why' . . .
From: BK - BudKarr on Oct 29, 2005 back on page 150 of the "old site" . . .
Hello Captain Tom, I just provided one of my repeat performances over on your new topic and hope it helps to keep the idea moving forward. If you win even one newcomer for the bar, it is worth the effort. What to have on this day? How about a brew from the tap and an Italian sub - hold the onions please. You inquired regarding my use of the term Adventurer in my profile. Perhaps better expressed from days of yore than present times. Best explained in other than cyber space. I always enjoy those Fallen Flags of yours even with my rather limited experience compared to the majority of your customers. My European rail travels have been more extensive, but alas, I only have my memory to rely upon for data. And waht is that saying? The memory is the second thing to go! My contribution to humor this fine day. The Southern Pacific was surely an interesting railroad and one that enjoyed immense success in their day. Don't know too much about the Missouri Pacific, but I do recall the trains with suffix names of Eagle. Nice color scheme. Thank you Mr. Trolley Rob and Mr. Peter Wolfe - my contributions pale in comparison with the rest of you. However, it is always gratifying to receive some recognition for the effort. Looks like a quiet day at the bar, so I will just enjoy the sandwich, perhaps have another beer and then get going. Have some things to take care of for my Monday departure. I will try to stop by tomorrow - if only to view the photographs. BK
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From: Dan - earlydiesels on Oct 29, 2005 also page 150:
Hello everyone. Tom, I'll take a cold water with a lemon-it helps clear the lungs. Been catching up and neglected to take notes until almost the last page so I may be a bit more scatter brained than normal. Tom, the Classic Trains issue about the coast to coast Boy Scout trip is Summer 2003. The majority of the issue is about the B&O so look for the Mikado on the cover. I liked the fallen flag on the KCS. It's always seemed weird to me that this rr has been around for years but very little is published about it in any of the rail press. Even here in SW Mo, very little is discussed about the KCS. The widecabs are, along with the ex SD45s, are probably the most notable of KCS' recent prevelence of buying most of its power secondhand. All this stopped a few years ago when KCS ended their all EMD streak by buying new GEs.(yuk!) CM3, I appreciate the detailed info about the C&O GP30s. The dispositions are most helpful-Diesel Era mag does similar articles. Question however. The Kansas and Oklahoma rr, a Watco company, has an exChessie GP30 which I rode in the cab of earlier this year. I seem to remember the number being 3016. It also had a interesting device on the control stand allowing the engineer to vary the power--kind of like the fast/slow switch on some locos to change the way they load up for road or switching. I agree about the particular noise the locos make when under load. Trolleyboy, let me get this straight. You think that the EMD E8 is not an attractive locomotive? Did I read too quickly? I do agree about the long nosed Es being nice looking. My favorites were the purple ACLs, the SALs with the retractable nose door, and of course, the Rock's 630. Well, the official season for the Midland ends tomorrow. Probably for the good as our 2 primary locos are broke down. The 142 fried its au pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, February 2, 2008 11:00 AM Hi Tom and all.Back again CINDY so another bacon sarnie please.The first batch of photos from the Stockton & Darlington 150 Cavalcade from 1975.Sorry about the foreign objects on some of the slides.The replica of the S&D 0-4-0 LOCOMOTION. The loco is usually at the Beamish Museum in County Durham.1857 built 0-4-0 WellTank No5 SHANNON this locomotive used to run on the Wantage Tramway in Oxfordshire.1875 built North Eastern Railway 2-4-0 No 910 a National Raiway Museum engine. She is being towed by Flying Scotsman.1892 built London & North Western Railway 2-4-0 'Precedent class 2-4-0 No 790 HARDWICKE. This loco took part in the 'Railway Races to the North between the West and East Coast routes in 1892 between London and AberdeenThis loco ran specials on the main line for a short while, I had a trip which had Hardwicke double heading with the last BR steam locomotive to be built, 9F Evening Star, between Leeds and York via Harrogate.She also ran from Carnforth to Grange over Sands on a small train I was lucky to travel on in 1976. 1902 built Midland Railway Compound 4-4-0 No 1000, these locomotives were known as 'Crimson Ramblers', another NRM engine. I was booked a few times to travel behind the locomotive but never managed to .1898 built Great Northern Railway 'Small Atlantic' No 990 HENRY OAKLEY, an NRM engine I was lucky to travel behind her on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway while she was at the line for a short time. These should enlarge..ROB Just seen your post. Rather you than me to stroke H&H's egos.Thanks for the info on #140's smokestack spark arrestor.It was surprising how many sparks the Deltics could chuck out especially when they had been idling for a while and were opened up.Great photo of the Algoma Central locomotives taken from the train and many thanks for the Lowell and the Seashore cars.That sounds a great way to start Sunday with a breakfast at the Arm, what hours are they open Sunday.Well CINDY, Holden's Mild for me and a Guinness for Rob and a round for those who come in please(well it is 5PM in England)Pete. trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:21 AM Here's a couple pictures to tide everyone over this morning. O Cindy could I have a BK mix refill thanks, here keep the change, thank-you.A 1980's shot of ACR''s Agawa canyon pulled by the 200 series GP38's crossing the Montreal River Bridge ( shot I picked up at the gift shop in the 80's )The Lowel mass trolley lineA Third Ave car at SeashoreenjoyRob trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:14 AM Morning Cindy , you look as wonderfull as always's. I think I will partake in a large thermos of the BK splash #1 ( lower octane ) and you know what I think a bacon sarnie as well Pete's put me in the mood for one. By the way Pete the arm's serves some great breakfasts on Sunday's not to mention the classic pub fare and deserts the rest of the week. Oh yeah there's a bar there too. Tom-They've cleaned up the shorline website , much more compleet than it used to be That could be a rendezvous at some point as well,would take a couple days (daze) to do the place justice.Happy snow-shoeing All the ground critters aggree on an early Spring I figure we have at least two good storms left before easter. I'll get a mo-sheen when the sales start in April Sears and the like around here clear out the snow-blowers right before it's time to bring in the lawn tractors and mowers. Maybe you can sweet talk the ACR folks,you know let the harmless lil' old man have his top seat the whole trip At least the ticket is for the dome car the whole way, the ACR removed the bar and teh state rooms from the domes and replaced them with seating in the lower area's. There's also a dinner or twio on teh train depending on the time of year .Pete- Trade secrets my friend you don't want to know how to control H&H besides it's more directing than control , you just have to make them think it's their idea, stroke their ego's as it were.No Boris down I said ego's <sheesh> The extention on 140's smokestack is a spark arrestor, there were 9 still are ) many wooden trestles on the ACR not to mention all the paper plants etc that they work in where stray sparks from the engine could well be a bad thing. CN has done the same thing on a lot of their earlier EMD's as well , some of the non-turbo charged ones would through out alot of sparks or unburnt fuel from the stacks.Eric- Neat picture if that consolidation had an elesco feed water heater hanging above the firebox and an all weather cab I'd swear it was a CnoR N5C,which CN ran until the end of steam on the rural branchlines.Rob pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, February 2, 2008 9:31 AM Hi Tom and all.A cup of your famous coffee and a bacon sarnie please CINDY.TOM. Sorry I missed the bar yesterday, I had a stinky head which got worse as the went on. I bet Juneau is really enjoying the snow; I think you got a lot more than we did here. We had a couple of inches or so I think most of it passed over us here and it really did not start the heavy snow in until about 6PM, we walked home after it had stopped.Really enjoying the ‘Patron's Pix' series, it is great to see those photos of Rob's of the classic trolleys and work cars, I see my old favorite No 327 as made an appearance.Yes it would be great to go to The St George Arms, it would be easier to get me in there than to get me out I think.I could not spot the bell on 2253,I agree it is a fine looking locomotive, I got to wonder if those locos worked any passenger trains while they were in Britain, they did work a fair bit of freight before going to mainland Europe.The TrainWreck saloon sounds a great place for a Can-Am review. Love the photo of Juneau and I, (yes still got the arm). I think the train I was supposed to be watching is just coming over the bridge.Many thanks for the RR ads from the Classic Era. The artwork on them is remarkable, like the painting on the Santa Fe Chief that and the PRR New York and Milwaukee Road power are my favorites but they are all good.That is a great link to the Seashore Trolley Museum. Atlantic Shore line #100 is an interesting electric and a worthy restoration project.Great open car #1601 at Lowell.ERIC Many thanks for the circus train photo. Looking forward to more of it and the Mo-Pac model locomotive photos next week.# 2253 I think would have been air-braked for use in Poland, to work the coaches on the preserved line it would to have to be fitted with a vacuum brake.The bride too is not too keen on Wal-Mart, we have been to the one here twice and I got lost in the store both times. Mind I did get a coat here in Wal-Mart on my first visit in KC seven years ago and it has lasted up to now although the zip has just broke.I see Tom as come up with some info on that mystery locomotive at Boone. NICK Glad you agree you think there is a bit of resemblance with the Deltic and an E or F unit. The first two main line diesels the LMS pair 10000 and 10001 were perhaps even more so.Thanks for the kind words on the photos yes that BR blue on Sir Nigel literally stopped me in my tracks when I first saw it newly painted. I would love to see an Ex LMS Princess or Duchess in it, I have seen pictures and it seemed to suit them too. It is odd that the BR blue scheme did not suit the Great Western locos as good. I have read that the King class No 6023 is going to turned out in blue when it completes its renovation to run again for the first time since BR days.Glad the locos are in fine order and the ‘Pines' is back on the timetable ready for the climb out of Bournemouth West again. Have you heard anything about ‘ Sustrans' converting part of the trackbed of the S&D near Bath into a trail including passing through the tunnels on the way out of Bath.I shall look forward to see the photos.ROB Yes H&H have plenty of spare time nowadays, since no one dare challenge them at the Tag Wrestling matches any more. Love to no how you are able to control H&H so wellIt would be good if siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 2, 2008 9:01 AM <personal foto>This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays. G'day Gents!A beautiful blue sky morning here in mid-continent USA where the temps are expected to rise, melt all this wonderful white stuff ‘n put us in the slop by the ‘morrow. <ugh>Join us for a mugga Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast listed on our Menu Board! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Friday - Feb 1st: <all times Central Standard>Page 177 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:58 AM: Ahhh, some clarification is in order regarding that foto of Pete ‘n Juneau . . . Juneau has one of his stuffed animal toys in his mouth. As is his "way," he "thrusts" it in your direction, wanting to play "tug," of course. This is what Pete is engaged in doing . . . Does appear as if Juneau has devoured Pete's arm! <yikes> "Old people's MTV (weather channel)" comment cracked me up! <swg>Pleased to see that you reconsidered ‘n provided the crew with your rundown of the current Classic Trains issue . . . Mine has NOT arrived yet; but what's new I never get ‘em early . . . Movie, "Matewan" was shown at the Emporium during the week of Jan 28th - Feb 3rd, 2007 - seems just like yesterday! Anyway, you are correct, it IS a <keeper> ‘n one that should be viewed. Let's GO GIANTS! <grin> But, I still say the Patriots will remain undefeated - not my wish, just where the "money" is. <uh oh> Sorry Larsman! <grin>A fine Post capped off with your ROUND ‘n quarters for Herr Wurltizter! Page 178 - Dan (DL-UK) at 12:27 PM: In for a mid-day visit <here> - but the end of it for you, eh Anyway, appreciate the patronage. Can't speak for ALL of the U.S. or Canada, but sports talk is a "big thing" in ‘n out of the bar scene. In the U.S. we're rather seasonal - right now hockey is about to supplant football once the Super Bowl is played. Then comes baseball with its interminably long, long season. Basketball seems to be in the "back ground" through the early fall - late spring. Just the pre-occupation of it all. Of course the talk these days <daze> is POLITICS - however, in keeping with what we try to AVOID at the bar - that's a "no no" subject - ‘n rightfully it should be. Refraining from religious, political or otherwise "hot button" subjects is not healthy for our bar. So, we avoid ‘em . . . Didn't need to be "told" by our hall monitors either, kinda set up "Our" Place that way. <grin>Only suggestion I can offer regarding the use of URLs that extend far over the "limit" is to avoid ‘em. If they can't be reduced to one line, then some ‘puters are just going to be adversely impacted. Perhaps just the "generic site" could be used - with some guidance to "click this or that" might helpful . . . Anyway, thanx for the chat ‘n visit! Page 178 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 1:09 PM ‘n 1:55 PM: Timing couldn't have been better for your fone call. I no sooner got thru the doorway when the fone rang ‘n there you were! Spent a bit of time outdoors clearing our mile long driveway ‘n attendant sidewalks <really not that long, but it seems so!> of the 8" snow fall. Surely glad there's a MoSheen ‘round the joint to do the heavy work - I'm outta that business these times with "old man" problems . . . Anyway, it's wonderful out there ‘n I expect to be out more than in for this day. Juneau wouldn't have it any other way! <grin>Great talking with you ‘n appreciate the call! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, February 1, 2008 11:36 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, Friday night, let's have that juicy Filet Mignon I love. And lots of mushrooms! A cold Keith's, please.This week went fast. New month and Super Bowl on Sunday. But a Super Bowl without the Packers is not a real Super Bowl. Nick – Room 101? You must be kidding. I thought it was 103! Rob – Is Zeplin One available? I thought it was grounded for maintenance? Out of helium or something. I like the Algoma Central livery! Very good photos!Tom – I saw the snow in St. Louis today! I think it was CNN who had a guy close to the Arch showing all that white stuff. Glad it wasn’t Phoenix. 103 days to Our Place’s 3rd Annual Rendezvous! I am going to look for the remaining photos from the Circus World Museum this weekend!Nice ads! The best ones in my opnion, Santa Fe’s The Chief Way and Rock Island! I wonder about the Midnight Zephyr ad. Why did they call it Midnight Zephyr 2000? Very futuristic design. Could it be a try to advertise Midnight Zephyr as the train of the future? Something like X2000? CM3 – I know the law of WalMart. It has happened to me too many times. My wife goes there almost every weekend, but I can’t stand it. Interesting background and info on Matewan! DL – Thanks, I feel great! Back to normal in other words. Ron – Must have been something else to see the “real” thing. The circus train unloading all the equipment and animals. I have only seen when they have been loading those flatcars. An unknown steam locomotive, Boone, IA, several years ago. Eric trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 1, 2008 7:27 PM <Huff puff huff gasp thump > Wow just got in from shovelling , I just may invest in a snowblower for next winter ,I'm "plum tuckered" as they may still say in the south.I think leon a rather large guiness oh what the heck a BK splash to chase it with as well.Still comming down a bit out there but it's not all bad, I think only about half a foot but it was that hard sticky snowman snow I prefer the light fluffy stuff mind you it's sticking to all the trees houses people and cars so everythings nice n white, just like a good christmas card.Yo Tom -gra t postah's sirRob siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:50 PM G'day Gents!Great to see visits from CM3 Shane - Rob - Dan 'n Ron on this Friday! I'll hold off comments 'til the 'morrow's ACKNOWLEDGMENTS . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Now Arriving on Track #1Six Pack Special Number NineRR advertisements from the Classic Era Pennsylvania RR - New York Midnight Zephyr Rock Island Santa Fe Union Pacific - Geysers Milwaukee Road - Power* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Enjoy! See ya on tomorrow for ENCORE 'n Photo Posting Saturday! Tom Missed any #1 . . . Page 107#2 . . . Page 109#3 . . . Page 115#4 . . . Page 118#5 . . . Page 128#6 . . . Page 136#7 . . . Page 149#8 . . . Page 162 Happy Railroading! Siberianmo trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 1, 2008 1:55 PM Hey Ruth aftrenoon again. I think I'm sufficiantly warmed up to be able to take a pistrami on rye witha Keith's now,thank-you. Please keep the change.Ron-Nice to see you pop in again this afternoon. You are right your little calenders have given us all some great tidbits of info to kick around , always great to learn something new when you log into the forum.5x for the hard work as I know that preparing works like that don't happen in two minutes. Those sold deisels would have been from Newfoundland, EMD built by GMD Canada, they wiould have been models G8 ,G12 ,or NF110's or NF210's. That roundhouse was built that way for exactly the reason's you were thinking.Too many freeze-ups on airlines or human freeze-ups on the people or animal powered one's. theer's another in Northern Ontario on the CN at Capreol I think. It's still used today as well,temps can hit the -40's F where they are so it's a necessity.A tad too cold for me There really aer a ton of old cars in cuba,mind you theer aer alot of modern Eurpoean cars there too it's a two sided street,what they can't buy in one place they will buy from others. i've been to Cuba once had a heck of a good time, the people were really freindly. I was amazed at how many American's were there,I sat with a bunch of them on the flight from Toronto. Lots of lovely old steam engines on the Island as well , many are narrow guagers working ion the plantations.Rob Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 1, 2008 1:39 PM Good day Tom and all present at the bar. A round of drinks if you please. Wow! Things seem to be heating up at Our place. I hope I can keep up. First off, let me express my appreciation of your acceptance of my yearly events calendar. I think it is the basis for presenting new topics to explore. We all have different interests(and some similar ones), and the events calendar, gives us a chance to expand on them. That said, let me go to individual replies in no particular order. Dan: It seems a lot of interest was expressed by the "railplane" by you and others. Notice the similarity to a Jules Verne machine. Maybe it was Jules Verne who was the inspiration behind the "railplane". I'm sure there is more to the story. Mike: I think the pictures of the 569 th Engineer Co, was a welcome change of pace(even if off topic). Anything to do with our military is always welcome. That 57 Chevy was a common vehicle all around the world. When I was in Chile years back, they and many other old cars were common on the roads, due to economic conditions. I have watched TV programs that show modern day Cuba. You will see American cars everywhere, but dating back to the 40's and 50's. and even the 30's. If we ever establish relations with Cuba, imagine the fortune in antique and classic cars that will hit the market. I noted from an entry on the pullman train schedule of a rail time between Boston and N.Y.C. of 5 ¾ hours. I used to drive that route every weekend for four years. My best time was 3 ½ hours door-to-door in a VW Karmann Ghia and never got a ticket. The distance was about 210 miles. Pete: I recall somewhere that a hot fireplace poker would be plunged into a pint of ale to take the nip off it. Do you know where this was done? BTW, I use all fingers to type, but one finger at a time. I hear what you are saying about taking pictures of "everyday" things and events. It's just a lack of hindsight. I wish I had documented all along the Mississippi Gulf Coast BEFORE Katrina wiped it out. The "after" pictures really don't say much unless you have a "before" to compare it to. I saw a program on TV about two guys, one in the U.S. and the other in the U.K. who collect and restore military tanks. (History channel) Between them, they have over 400 tanks. Naturally, they are multi-millionaires. Too bad there isn't a millionaire around who has the same passion for old locomotives. Eric: I remember seeing the Ringling Bros Barnum and Bailey circus train when it would visit N.Y.C. The train would park at a siding on the west side of Manhattan and a parade of wagons and elephants would head uptown to Madison Square Garden. In those days, I had press privileges through connections my Dad had with the newspapers. This would allow me to go behind the scenes and to view the circus from the press box. I might add, I was very popular with my friends, as they got to see the circus with me. Your picture of the truck unloading the wagons, brings back images of "Mack" trucks as used by the Railway Express Agency in the 30's and 40's. They rode on hard rubber tires and were chain driven. The cabs were open as shown in your picture and side curtains could be inserted in inclement weather. I can still hear the chain rattling and the bumping of the tires along cobblestone streets. Rob: You are right about "rivet counters". They are missing half the fun. That was an interesting item re: the indoor turntable at Sault Ste Marie. Never gave it much thought. Maybe they did it that way because of the cold and freezing weather that might make an outdoor turntable in operable. I read that the magnets were unreliable on early stud systems. Either they have designed magnets which are reliable, or they are using a non-contact sensor, (infrared, proximity, etc). Anyway, I have learned that there is a prototype for everything. I tried to track down the trolleys from P.E.I. which were sold to Chile, but came up zip so far. That's about it for now. Tom: Keep warm and enjoy the snow while it's around. Arthritic hands are a bummer when trying to build model trains. That's a good argument for out-of-the-box, ready to run trains. I think it's the damp, cold weather when arthritis seems to be worse. In my case, it was cateracts that prompted me to switch from HO to G. Although the cateracts have been removed, a mild "tremor" in the hands precludes me from doing very fine, intricate work. Working in 1:8 scale is much easier for me. Remember: Stay loose, but if you can't, there's always exlax. Edit trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 1, 2008 1:09 PM Good afternoon Ruth my dear , I see that even more fresh posey's have arrived for you from the southern climes. Lets' hope that H&H and kopperkettle don't try and make a hearty stew out of the older wilted one's. I think a nice large thermos of the BK speacial roast ,. but the high octane version will work today for me.Another band of snow's moved in so we might actually get the full amount we weer promised about a foot if all is going the way of the weatherguessers. Tom-A fine shot of the Arm's sir yes I think pete may decide to transplant himself should he ever make it in for a meal and a beverage was wondering too if Juneau was nibbling on Pete's arm in that picture as well.Great as always chatting with you this morning Interesting to hear that the frist ACR diesels you saw were in the mountains,it really is a grang paint scheme too bad all have long been repainted, through the two takeovers first by the WC abd now in the CN. Still the passenger trains still run with the domes intact at least on train #1 the Agawa Canyon. Both the domes are old WP one's but they are well cared for. If their ticketing practices are the same,when you pay for the dome fare you get half the trip up top and half in the lower seating areas. Of note Rapido has just come out with some lovely ACR passenger cars in today's black bear scheme If you feel the need for the locomotives I can get my hands on one for you.Cm3-Great remenicances of the final days of N&W steam. I know how I'd pronounce Matewan ( Mat-ta-wan)but hey doesn't matter stuill a good read. It was an interesting detail those loading ramps Dl-Yes the underground article was an interesting read,interestingly I didn't get the wide screen effect,usually I don't unless someone posts a huge picture.Well Ruth I think another round for the boys, and then I'm off for a bit.Rob DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Friday, February 1, 2008 12:27 PM Hello TomLooks like Nick has been about so I'll see what he's put on the menu - and have a pint of Holdens' whilst waiting. Pete, Codsall station has a good reputation so it would be good to visit. Way out beyond Wolverhampton as I recall.Yes Tom - I had basically covered up to page 174 but saw your encore RR covers on 175 and it was that I refereed to as I glanced over that page prior to posting.I had a great fear that the link would do a wide page so thought I'd minimised it - clearly not so - apols about that. Thought our underground enthusiasts would enjoy the article.Anyway good timing with your N&W feature - there's a good photo spread on last days of N&W steam in the current edition of Classic Trains (may be you chaps across the pond have not got it yet...)MoPac Chris - good to make your acquaintance of course. Nice pic selection.Jan - another all inclusive post!Mike - interesting selection of vintage military pictures, then a full on text posting! Kind of alters your silent link man reputation I've got so used to! Either way - interesting stuff.Eric - good to see you back on form!Nick - good to see you in again, afraid whilst I'll proffer opinions on this and that - sport's not one of them. Explains why I can't understand most of Lars' posts too (I jest) - juts enjoy ‘em as I soak up the atmosphere of our straight talkin' manager.Pete - few points you made I'll comment on but I realise I'm running out of time (again!!) so will be back in due course (not least on those GCR Barnums as a result of my GCR trip)Regards to allDL coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, February 1, 2008 9:58 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We missed all of the snow and settled for high winds, horizontal rain, ice, and general slop – not a bit of snow. Well, maybe later. Two more laws: "Late trains always get later> The Law of wal-Mart " After you have been standing in line for 20 minutes, another check out line will be opened as soon as you get to head of your line.Pete was by with comments and some fine pictures of the USA Transport Corps locomotives. Eric – Great shot of loading flats – enlarge the picture, folks, and note the bridge plates between the cars – TOFC was done that way back in the day. Nick – Good to hear from you. OSP was in as always with weather report (St. L. was on old people’s MTV (Weather Channel) last night – looked as though it was really coming down, too. I enjoyed the rerun traction pictures. Now, what did Juneau do with the rest of Pete’s arm? As requested in your post, although edited a bit. Following is some comments and expansion on most recent issue of Classic Trains. The story on “Final weeks of N&W Steam” is one of the better ones that I have seen anywhere in a long time. The picture of the Y6B at Matewan (pronounced MATE-wan) shows the condition of the N&Ws physical plant at the end of steam; edged ballast, not a piece of junk in sight. If you have seen the movie “Matewan” you will quickly see that the town in the movie looks nothing like the real place. Incidentally, most of the movie was shot in Raleigh and Fayette Counties in WV. The mine scenes were done at Beckley and most of the above ground scenes at Thurmond. Some of us got involved in doing technical advice for the production company when they were developing the script, etc. It was something different to break up the routine of the day. There are several other pictures of Y6Bs in their native habitat at Williamson in the article as well. The caption for one of the pictures is a bit misleading as it says, “A Virginian Railway hopper car in the background tells of N&W’s recent merger with that road.” The date is correct, but coal cars from all over the area ran on other road’s trains. In addition, it was not uncommon to see coal cars from the PRR or the NYC “off line” as well. The coverage of the 0-8-0s at the end of the article is quite well done. Page 27 has a nice shot of a cut of coal cars at Williamson. Check out the PRR-style position light signal over the second car. PRR owned the N&W but the latter road ran pretty much as an independent property except for a few things like the signals. Now we move ahead to a good set of color shots of Birmingham which were made just before I moved to that part of the country. Many of the passenger pictures were made at or around the old Terminal Station. One of them shows an SAL SDP35 doing what it was supposed to do. L&N had some of these as well, but I don’t recall ever seeing one in passenger service as L&Ns passenger trains at that late date were pulled by E units of varying vintages. IIRC, the L&N SDP35s were purchased because of their larger fuel tanks. There is also a photo of the “Southland” being switched at B’ham. This train, of course, originated at Kansas City. Interesting collection of head end cars in the shot including REA reefers and a truly filth ACL baggage car. Southern makes an appearance a few pages in. Fine looking tuxedo E units. There us also an RPO on one train and an RPO/storage mail/baggage car on the other. Another SAL SDP35 appears on train 34 with an SAL coach, a New Haven sleeper, and a hw SAL diner. This sort of thing I remember quite well as it was an “accommodation” train in the best sense of the word – something for everybody and an RPO as well. IMHO, the USPS killed the passenger train in the United States when they shifted the mail from train to truck and flying machine. The remainder of the article has a nice selection of industrial locomotives, a tantalizing glimpse of the IC, and an A-B-B-A set of ACL f units with a freight. Regrettably there is nothing about the big player in town – the L&N. This is probably because their facilities were mainly north of B’ham. Last, check out the article titled “The Black Market.” Embedded in there is some interesting stuff about power use. Work safe P.S. Sorry abt. the edit, but the forum decided to post the first try as one block of text. siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 1, 2008 8:41 AM <personal foto>Friday's GrinReason "things" happen!Murphy's Law of Lockers: If there are only two people in a locker room, they will have adjacent lockers.G'day Gents!Don't know the OH-FISH-UL measure of our 2nd snow fall of the season <1st of the new year> - but the lyrics, "Sleigh bells ring, are you listening? In the lane, snow bells glisten . . . " It's indeed a WINTER WONDERLAND out there this fine morning ‘n Juneau's heart is extremely happy! Temps are in the lo-20s (F) ‘n it just feels GREAT to be alive. <yeah>Sadly to say, by Monday we'll be in the 50s (perhaps 60s!!!) so all of this will be but a memory - but ‘til then, we'll ENJOY it! <yeah> I figure we got about 8 inches - which by my "standards" isn't very much - I like to measure snowfall in FEET! Well, it's the end of the work week <for many> AND the beginning of a new month! What better way to begin it than with us Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh - breakfasts ready for orderin' from our Menu Board, so let's get a move on, Mates! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Thursday - Jan 31st: (all times Central Standard)Page 177 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:37 AM: Surprise early AM <day lite> visit from our Resident Ontario Connection! Fine looking RCS 13 . . . took long enuf! <grin>According to the OH-FISH-UL weather data, we had a swing in temps on Tuesday from a high of 73 (F) to 15 (F) before day's end . . . was 11 (F) for our first "walk" on Wednesday AM . . . that's just a tad ridiculous! Approaching snow storm is beginning to cloud the skies with temps in the high 20s - just right for some accumulating white stuff. Winds haven't been a factor <yet> . . . did have some mighty blasts pass thru here on Tuesday . . . Ahhhhhh, snow began falling here at 10:35 AM <Thurs> . . . .I've learned over the years of knowing Wolfman, that you just gotta use the "Refresh" feature on HIM! <grin> He spends far too much time IN that black bag of his, ‘n when he's not doing that, he's finding reasons to procrastinate this ‘n that . . . One day I'm going to have to get him up to the St. George Arms - he'd probably file for Canadian citizenship on the spot! <grin>Page 177 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 11:44 AM: Your Email was received, responded to ‘n forwarded to the "fearless few." <sans Lars - as he's incommunicado at present>. Anyway, highly recommend you reconsider - definitely a "winner" for this place! < I3 > Post, visit, quarters ‘n ROUND most appreciated! Page 177 - Pete (pwolfe) at 2:51 PM: Sir Elton is one of those characters in life I prefer to listen to <enjoy his tunes>, rather than watch. Makes my skin crawl to look at him . . . but that's just Moi! <grin> Never have figured out WHY the Monarch would grant such a title to ANYONE who hasn't served with honor in the military. Again, just Moi! The situation involving your Can-Am Railway "SPOTTER" duties wasn't totally your fault. Seems to me Juneau had you preoccupied - however, "recert" is required for that as well. <uh oh> [swg> Don't worry, we'll do a review at the TrainWreck next time you're in town . . . <grin>Fine looking steam locomotive! Takes just a bit of getting used to seeing the bell in that position - but she's a fine looking MoSheen! Nice link explaining #2253 . . . thanx! Appreciate the use of URLs as a supplement to the written word ‘n fotos. That's been ‘n should be the way we "do it." Happy Railroading! Siberianmo trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:15 PM Another flying visit by Nick , felt just like old times. Right down to the spandex ,<yikes> who says spandex isn't for the large boned persons, it helps undo what gravity did. Boris seems to have a spring in his step again So lets see three more of the pics we got from gramps. Lord knows where he found em, or who created them but what the heck enjoy all.Algoma central GP7 #152 the second last GP7 built rolled out in late '58. She's still around chop snozzed and working in the US at a grain elevator for ADMOne of only Two SW8 switchers from the ACRA shiot of the ACR's unique sault Ste Marie roundhouse with it's indoor turntable one of very few built this wayenjoyRob trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:56 PM Good evening Leon , I think that I need a refill of my thermos from this morning. The high-octane BK splash please here's a couple bucks for a round for the late arrivers as well.Tom- Sooo the winter wonderland has returned for a couple days ( daze ) eh "sposed" to start here around midnoght my time ,temps going upto +1 but they are calling for lots o snow and possibly freezing rain ( oh joy ) good thing I'm off tomorrow What me edit a post say it ain't sooo ! Some guy from ontario took some neat traction photo's too, we should try and get him to jooin are little gang here whatdayathink Pete-Interesting shots sir, and don't worry H&H can help both of you , they are bigger than life. I've yet to see a man or beast that could hold up to their um charmsI think that eventually the line that's left through Peterborough will become a trail , mind you like I mentioned to Eric it's very light rail 80lbs which has little scrap value at the moment and theer are a few industries still on the line, who knows a shortline could happen as CN and CP both run near to town and a connection could be built again.Eric-Neat shot of the circus train,not to worry H&H tend to do what I ask them. I'm not sure why but they do. at any rate if they can't help you.You could always become better aquainted with good ole Koperkettle he can fly you out of harms way on Zeplin One.CM3-The Erie County fair now there's something I haven't gone to in a loooong time.Rob nickinwestwales Member sinceApril 2005 901 posts Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:47 PM Well good evening my lambkins,how are we all on this crisp and bright winters evening ?? lovely to see a roaring fire in the hearth-although that looks like a human femur poking out of the ashes(BORIS -Explain-NOW!!!)-well,looks like a healthy list of acknowledgements to make since my last visit,so lets get about it-before I do,many thanks on behalf of the family for all your condolences and kind thoughts-he was one of us and aware of the bar although much too shy to join in....Right-Leon,be so good as to set all these good people up with their tipple of choice (and no ice in Canadian Chris`s single malt thank you..) and I think a bottle of the special rum and a tray of shot glasses for some winter warmers-its a night for toasting toes and swapping tales...OK-,from my notes-ROB-Putting Pearson on the network would certainly make life easier for my family-is an expensive cab ride from there to Yonge & Eglinton at any time of day..love those pix from gramps- good job-hey those E-Mail jokes had the boys in the band crying and got me a serious slap from Missisnick-double plus !!!Capt TOM-that header pic rings a bell-either London or Glasgow underground (or poss the GPO private line) had very similar looking motors-will have to look it up...Will sort some pix of both Alans trains and the family holiday last summer (South Devon Rly,Dart Valley Rly and the main line around the coast )asap-was the last ride we had together so extra special memories-thanx also for the S-Capades breakdown-is an entirely different approach to construction to the normal Brit method-vive la differance as they sayCM3-Aint that just the truth mate-token example-letter addressed to "personal attention of Alan McConnell (deceased)"-you couldn`t make it up for money could you ?.......ERIC-Glad to hear you are healing well-do I detect a touch of quiet anarchy here ...??--remember,big brother is watching-room 101 awaits.....LARS-how are you old chap ??-was gonna throw a `spot` on that Southern Railway cover,but PETE beat me to the drop-and far more accurately let it be said..-hope all is well in the city that never sleeps..PETE-some cracking pix there dear boy-enjoyed the Duchess & the Germans but especially the blue A4 with the blood & custard coaches-pure 1949-I suspect I am one of the few people that actually LIKED that livery combo-even the Bulleid pacifics wore it well for my money,although it didn`t sit well on the Castles-good call on LAR`S southern poster btw-I had it down as the flying junction at Gloucester Road between Norwood Jn & East Croydon-full marks to you there ....For my 2 shillings worth,all the English Electric locos had the shape of the E/F units about them...DD1-Hi there mate-nice to meet you-have a shot of rum-well interested to learn about the full size Maerklin stud system-prototype for everything dept..MOPAC CHRIS-again,nice to meet you -grab a shot-could tell you are a drummer-no-one else would be banging on the door at 4 am in 1-4-7 time (aint that a bu**er to do)-love the pix-that GG1 looks like yer granny in spandex-just plain wrong...JAN-again.nice to meet ya-grab a shot and lets gas-welcome to the best bar in town-just don`t eat anything cooked by BORIS..........DL-how ya doin mate !-glad to see someone apart from PETE is flying the flag !! -who do you fancy for the match on saturday ?-we got the druids at twickers and they aint won in 20 years-could this be the one ..???GUNNERAL-hows life in middle earth ?( blame Peter Jackson ) wont even mention the rugby..............good to see you again-have a wee top up there,its early yetMIKE-less the reverse charge cousin,more the appalling uncle who turns up uninvited to the wedding and tries to snog the bridesmaids-but I thank you kindly for the thought......So-whats new here-well,just had a full day of the music-6 hours with the country band,dinner,then 4 hours with the blues band knocking my new fretless jazz bass into shape-paying now-fingers are raw...spent a half day yesterday checking out the layout (S.O.B Lines) after 2 years total neglect-lordy,I had no idea spiders could grow that big in this climate-looks like Miss Havishams wedding breakfast up there-mice have eaten things-only good news is that the badgers who live underneath the shed havn`t tunnelled up (although they have made a fair mess of the lawn...)Have decided that as I have had several years of running Canadian stock and have now aquired some new Brit stuff as well as Alans Swiss things we shall have a season of Brit running so all the buildings will be changed as well as signals and other give-away items--have run up most of my old Tri-Ang and other Brit engines on the bench and all seem to be working suprisingly well so looks like the Somerset and Dorset wil be making a comeback and a token Pines Express will once again depart Bournemouth west for Bath green park and points north-will take and post pix as I go-I know the S&D will be unfamiliar to most of you but it surely counts as a classic -ask any Brit modellerRight-seems to be getting early late again-better just slip into the galley and make sure the fish is fresh and BORIS isn`t touching anything-a few quarters for the juke-Oscar Peterson Trio live would hit the spot,sleep well chaps,speak soon,all the best,Nick EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:11 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, let me have a triple cheese burger, raw onions and curly fries! The usual to drink! Kind of quiet day here at the Bar today! It is not even Friday. But tomorrow is!! Mike – Early morning! I checked the map so I have a good idea from where that picture was taken. Did you take it?Tom – Wait? Me? Oh, I saved some for next week! I like those Traction photos. Especially the top one! Looks there was a mishap sometime. They burned off the overhead wire or maybe a car with a too high load caught it and ripped it down. The wire has been repaired once. Juneau spoiled?? Oh, no I wouldn’t say he is. No, not Juneau, he is just used to have things done certain ways. His ways. Plain habits, nothing else. Let me put it this way, he is not, repeat not, being abused.Good looking streetcars in Rob’s old post! Including the “Beast”. No, not Juneau. Rob – Thanks for looking after me! I’ll keep H&H in mind!80 lbs rail? Let’s hope the scrap value doesn’t go up!CM3 – Shoot everything is the the right thing to do when it comes to photography. “Everyday” stuff photos is what you will like the most after so many years. Pete – We’ll have a closer look at those Mo-Pac locomotives next week! It will probably... no, you’ll see next week. That #2253 locomotive seems to be eqipped both with air- and vacuum brakes. Is that correct? Here is the circus train photo. The truck is actually pulling those trailers on board the train. You can see exhaust fumes around the rear wheels of the truck. More to come. Eric siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:33 PM G'day Gents!Pleased to see CM3 Shane - and - Pete dropped by . . . Snow has arrived - began without "fanfare" of any kind at about 10:40 AM - no frenzy, just the white stuff covering all - Juneau was most happy with our 3rd walk! His "mama" got home early 'n he's had walk #4! Spoiled Nahhhhhhhhh, he just "boss." <grin>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Now Arriving on Track #1Patron's Pix - Number Four Explanation: This series features fotos from the guys who have entertained us over years on the Original Thread and here at the Reborn "Our" Place . . . As long as these fotos "live" in the Ether, why not have ‘em redone right here Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown. The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread. Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 07 Jun 2005, Page 22 of the Original Thread:#1 The next is a picture if snowplow TP-11 one of two built to combat heavy drifts in 1946 by national steel car in Hamilton Ontario. We lovingly refer to this car as the beast!!!. Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 08 Jun 2005, Page 23 of the Original Thread:#2 Car # 1 TRC 1326 a 1910 TR car built in the company shops one of three hundred such cars. (1300-1710) #3 The second car is Toronto civic 55 Preston car and coach manufactured in 1915. Wooden single truck double ended cars. #4 and finally car #33 Montreal and Southern Counties 107 interurban combine built in 1912 by Ottawa Car and Coach also a wooden double ended car. Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 09 Jun 2005, Page 24 of the Original Thread:#5 A shot of the museum's classic Grand Trunk (1912) built Rockwood Station saved from destruction and moved to the museum in 1971. Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 10 June 2005, Page 25 of the Original Thread:#6 A little shot of yard three last July 10th during the museums 50TH anniversary celebration. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Enjoy! Tom Missed any #1 . . . Page 135#2 . . . Page 141#3 . . . Page 152 Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:51 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Holden's Special on this rather chilly day please RUTH.MIKE Many thanks for the photos and the links.The Gull services must have been great trains to travel on.As to the one finger typing, the answer is very slowly, I did try more than one but when I put it into the spell checker it said, "You must be joking", so it looks as though I am stuck with the old method.ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos, I have had great fun looking through the old photos, hopefully Shildon Phots Saturday.Although it looked cold in that snow at Kirkwood it really the temperature was not bad at all. I have always loved seeing railways and especially steam locomotives in the snow. Elton John played about 30 miles from here last year, the bride went to the concert with some friends from work, all girls, and so I was left here. She said it was a great concert that she very much enjoyed. I guess I shall have to wait for the WHO to come near here.ROB Really glad we are able to enjoy your Gramp's photos at the bar, although he did not take them.Many thanks for the redo of the Big Loop. I see it lasted in to the late 1980s for Freight. Any idea what may happen to the line the City Of Peterborough owns. It is good to know they do those locomotive books in Canada. I brought over my Ian Allan locomotive books over, I see the unmarked Combine Volumes from the 1950s are fetching hundreds of dollars on e-bay when the come up for sale, unfortunately I do not have any from the era unmarked. If they had a fastest loco photter contest that chap must be a good contender. Thanks for the photo of the RSC 13.What's this about sending H&H away to help Eric, they are my bodyguards to protect me from Vito the Hit's friends who Manager Lars has hired. I don't know why the Manager is so worried about the bar while he is away; we have not had any structural damage (yet)ERIC Many thanks for those great photos with those marvelous Mo-Pac locomotives, loved the engine crew when the photos are enlarged.I shall look forward to the circus train photo it is a shame the train has not run since 2005CM3 It is good to know there are at least two circus trains still running.You are so right about photographing the ‘everyday scene', it is sad not to take photos of the common scene until one day it changes and you realize you have no photos of it. Looking through my albums and slides, the ones that were everyday are giving me a lot of pleasure but I have regrets now I did not take more of them.TOM Real glad to know my ‘Ticket' is still good on the S-Capades, it is one test I shall look forward too. I guess my position of ‘Dispatcher on the Can-AM is more in doubt, after the train I was suppose to be watching became uncoupled, run round its train and derailed the passenger cars in the tunnel.Many thanks for the photos from ExpoRail. I remember well, waiting at the station in the rain for the car in the first photo to pick us up, and a great photo of Montreal's first electric car ‘Rocket' coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:44 AM Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; Coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Running lkate today, but work trumps other activities.Cloudy today with temperatures in the 40s. There are threats of ice, etc. for later this evening - we'll see what happens. Mike - Thanks for the photos and sites. Yes, it was a Packard - only because I can't find a good-running Locomobile.The 1957 New Haven Pullman list is a nice piece of material. Recently I posted some material on the Wm. Penn and the Quaker in response to a question from Eric. Back on the old site, you'll find some information on the "Boot" that I posted there. Eric visited - your comments about the UP/SP situation were well-taken. There are a lot more horror stories behind that situation as well. IOW, The Great Yellow Father bit off a lot more than they could chew which wound up grid locking large segments of the system. Rob visited with stories, reruns and a neat bldr's shot of an MLW RSC. RBB&B has two circus trains - a red train and a blue train. They run in different sections of the country. Straits Shows is another outfit which travels by train. It's lots of fun to watch them when they come to the Erie County Fair in New York every season. Pete - Thanks for more background information on UK steam. I kept lists of units when I was actively photographing. But I did this only for roads whose power situation was relatively stable. The reason for this is I didn't want to wind up shooting roster shots of the same engines over and over. Boston and Maine and CV are examples of this. As for logging engine numbers, can't say as I did. In general, then as now, my thoughts on photography is shoot everything, especially the so-called "everyday" stuff. That is what most photographers skip in favor of exotic items that appear infrequently. Lars was by with observations and book covers. Take care.DD1 - Thanks for the information on the "China Clipper" movie. I'm going to find out if that's available. They had an interesting cast with Humphrey Bogart getting 4th billing - hmmm...DL - Tin mines reopening? Similar to coal as I thought I would never see active recruiting of miners again for work around here. Function of the demographics of the workforce. OSP - Thanks for sharing information on the "S" Capades part of your empire. Certainly a creative way to deal with the space you have,Work safe siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:28 AM G'day Gents!Just stickin' my nose in to see what's up - not much! Anyway, noticed that foto from trolleyMAN Rob that didn't show! <gotta CHECK on your submissions BEFORE running off!> <geesh> Ahhhhh HA - came back with an "edit," didja!?!!? Want to say THANX to CM3 Shane - Gunneral - Rob 'n Lars for keeping "my other Thread" up 'n running. Don't know what the purpose is anymore - since it's really not attracting any "new blood," but it just won't go away! <grin>A couple from that site that I've Posted recently . . . . MTC #1959 built by CCF in 1928. <personal foto taken at ExpoRail, Saint-Constant, QC, Canada> MTC #350 built by Brownell in 1892 and was the first electric car to operate in Montreal (Sep 21, 1892).<personal foto taken at ExpoRail, Saint-Constant, QC, Canada.> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Thought also that it's time to provide our "Ground Rules" again . . . <from Page One>Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch. Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Still awaiting the "big snow" - I'll believe it when I fire up the sno-blowing-MoSheen! Later! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:37 AM Morning Tom and da-gang. Hey Ruth could I get an extra large thermos of the BK splash #1 yes the good stuff and oh no I think just a plate of flapjacks to eat. No Boris "Jacks" not cats <sheesh> here's the keys to teh critter treats you know what to do with it oh and go for the small PPF you don't need to inflate any friends todayPete-There are books like that available , every year since 1982 the Bytown railroad historical group out of Ottawa put out a paperback called trackside Canada , it covers all RR's that operate in Canada as well as shortlines museum's and regionals,but I've never seen him with a copy Maybe he's the fastest finger in the west.Eric-I was just looking out for you afterall Mike is a Mountain of a man and is alot quicker than he looks.Take H&H for back-up at least they can carry you home should you find yourself in a dumpster again <uh oh > but not to worry H&H make good nurses. Last I heard the lets get rid of the ugly tracks group in Peterborough ws hankering for a bike path <barf> mind you it's 80lbs rail so they were left intact because of their low scrap value , which is why they are likely still intact.Mike-Hey a couple great urls from the little Island thanks Not to worry i know of a couple Islanders that have become CN people in the last ten years. The tracks were pulled out completely in the early 90's. Again it was all extremely light rail,CN had to roster extra light loco's GE 70 tonners and the long gone MLW RSC13's to tip toe over the tracks there.An RSC13 from the gramps box Hey Tom required recertification dabossman does run a tight ship or railyard I hiope you don't get the gale force winds we had yesterday almost all day. the Burlington skyway brideg was closed for seven hours after a tansport was blown on it's side during the morning rush hour,thank god no one was hurt and more importantly I don't use that route. Still colder than a witches you no what up here though,but no snow Rob siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:31 AM <personal foto> G'day Gents!Here in mid-continent USA, we're awaiting the arrival of our 2nd snow storm of the season - 1st of the new year . . . "they" are predicting 6 inches <or more> - which really isn't that much - but "we takes what we gets!" <grin>Coffee's been freshly ground ‘n brewed, pastries stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready for ordering from the Menu Board!Comments from the Proprietor:Far too many nite-time Posts for me to address - so my ACKNOWLEDGMENTS will be simply that! Many thanx to all for making "Our" Place YOUR Place! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Wednesday - Jan 30th: (all times Central Standard)Page 176 - Mike (wanswheel) at 3:46 PM: Pensive Mike, revealing just a tad more as the years pass by. Appreciate the visit ‘n round! Page 177 - Allan (Gunneral) at 7:49 PM: Round of Tui's - < I3 > Post ‘n meaningful interaction - all part of what we try to achieve ‘round this joint! Your part of the world sounds like heaven on earth to me! Page 177 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 7:52 PM ‘n 9:43 PM ‘n 9:56 PM: Three visits with the Wolfman squeezed in! "Big Loop" seemed "new" to me - happens when one gets O-L-D! <grin> Appreciate the support for the joint . . . Page 177 - Pete (pwolfe) at 9:43 PM ‘n 10:26 PM: Hmmmmmm, what happened to the "slot" <geesh> As said earlier, "We takes what we gets" ‘round here! Your "qualification" remains in force as an operator of the S-Capades - but we DO require recertification on an annual basis! <uh oh> Another fine < I3 > Post ‘n of course two ROUNDS! Page 177 - Eric (EricX2000) at 11:52 PM: A fine < > Post from our Resident Desert RETIRED Swede! Appears you are well on the way in the "mending" department. Nothing wrong with your <wicked> mind either! So you just couldn't wait, eh S-Capades fotos look fine! Thanx for the < I3 > Post ‘n continuing support for the bar! Thursday - Jan 31st:Page 177 - Mike (wanswheel) at 12:12 AM: Our Resident URLMeisterMonsterMike returned with a little something for everyone - well almost. <grin> Perhaps one day . . . I'll get to the URLs later on . . . thanx for the visit ‘n ROUND! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Regarding Nick <nickinwestwales> ‘n Chris <CFournier>: I wouldn't get our hopes up, Gents - they've been gone for so long that to expect a resumption of regular activity just because of a brief return is really asking far too much. Remember, "We takes what we gets" at the Bar by the Ballast! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo wanswheel Member sinceNovember 2005 4,190 posts Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:12 AM Another round TomHope you saw Coast Guard on the map. Allan, no, I was never an MP, just a supply clerk in an MP unit. Probably the Army gods deemed me supply worthy by virtue of vast experience as a stockboy at the local five-and-ten. The fun part was that I got to drive the Dussenhalf. And a real Jeep. It was great, I'd go back to being 20 in a heartbeat.Rob, you speak heresy. Without a railroad on PEI some kid will not grow up to be an engineer like my grandfather and his brothers.Nick, if you read this, you remind me of a cousin who calls collect once in a blue, confident that we'll gladly accept the charges. Take good care of the inherited toys. Sorry to hear young Hannah has lost her grandfather and Mrs. Nick her dad.Ron, interesting history on Mardi G. Never been to the Gulf Coast states. Maybe someday.CM3, did you say Packard Twin-Six? And we thought you wanted a Crosley. Eric, yes, you've got a good eye for detail. I didn't see any trains over there though, just tracks.http://www.569th.com/images/map_md.jpgDL, you remind me of a song by Elton. Daniel my brother you are older than me. Great Uncle Dan was a CV engineer. Gosh all this typing I better say hello to Mopac and Jan. Lars who?Pete, how do you do it with one finger, I'm exhausted.Prince Edward Island timetableshttp://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47873http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47872http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47647New England Pullman trains http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=43955Mike EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:50 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, Wednesday evening, what should I have a Wednesday evening? Hmm. I think I'll have a number 3 and lots of curly fries. A cold Keith's to drink. Thank you!This week is going way too fast. It is hard to keep up! Rob – Geez, be quiet! Who told you about my plans? Be careful, somebody told me the Mountain man can read. But everything is going according to the plans, so far. Thanks for the Big Loop article! It seems like there was hundreds of those small railroads in Canada. Hope the city of Peterborough decides to keep what is left. Tom – Didn’t you like the Bi-Centennial livery on the GG1? I think it looked great. It was only for a limited time. I didn’t suggest Nessie the Lock Master, I was going to suggest Nessie the Lock Monster! I figured it out when I was at the hospital but I guess I said something during the operation (anesthesia) and somebody heard it and called Manager Lars. Things are being taken care of when it comes to Mountain Man Mike, that is all I can say. That dumpster thing? I don’t remember. Other brunettes? I know, but there is only one “the brunette”! Tigers eat almost anything. Maybe I have to leave early, before the farewell dinner?! I was surprised when SP gave up and was swallowed by UP. I heard quite a bit (direct from a top guy) about all the plans they had for the future in 1993 and did not expect them to disappear any time soon.Interesting to read about how you planned and built your S-gauge layout! Especially since I have seen it! Looking forward to the next installment! S-Gauge trains.CM3 – Thanks for the Wabash info!Lars – I already explained to Tom how it probably happened that you got hold of my name for that safe. But you changed the last word Monster slightly to Master! But that is okay, that is why you didn't win!Good books (and DVD)! Especially one of them, Guide to North American Steam Locomotives! I have it so I know it is a very good one. Lots of info! Ron – I actually believe I saw that movie, the China Clipper, many years ago. DL – I’ll take it easy forever now! I am retired and I will not do anything too hard on me, not even during my 20 hrs at work/week. Mike – Interesting photos from Vietnam! I can see a railyard in the top one (left side). Allan – I am going to have my Steak & Bisquits tomorrow (Thursday). Their is only one person at “my” Cracker Barrel who knows how to cook them my way and she has promised to have them ready for me tomorrow!Pete – I have not had time to look for the circus train photos, but happened to find one by accident. Maybe I can scan it tomorrow. I checked the museum’s website and there will be no circus train this year. Haven’t been one since 2005. Eric pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:26 PM Hi Tom and all.I'll have the Holden's ROB has kindly offered to get LEON.Done a 'refresh' and saw your postSingle cabbed locomotives and the car seats all facing the same way was one of the big differences I noted when first seeing North American railroads. The only real locomotives in the UK apart from switchers with a single cab at one end was the English Electric class 20s and in my experience it was very rare just to see a single locomotive as they worked in pairs with the cabs facing outward.I wonder if they do a book with all the locomotive numbers and types of the CN and CP locomotives, so that he knows which ones he as seen before, he has to be quick to check the loco and then take a photo if it is a new one.Have another Guinness on me.Pete. trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:56 PM Hey Pete we posted at the exact same moment don't think we could do that again if we tried.hey leon I think someone drank my guiness oh I did I guess I need a refill here's a bit o cash for an extra holden's for stealthy Pete. The deltic needs to have only one cab though to really look like an American locomotive.I don't know what it is with you Brits and numbers.theres a guy here in Brantford , that has to copy down all the loco numbers he comes accross while he's at the station,he has a camera but I've never seen him use it,just his coil notebook. Nice guy I have talked with him a few times seems he only will photograph loco's he hasen't seen before his books broken up by type GP9's etc, he flips to the page an looks at his notes I gues if it's not noted he'll take the shot,hard at 60mph I figure From what I understand Barnum and Baily still own and run a Circus train , they own the cars whomever the local railroad is supplies the power. I can remember seeing both CN and CP pull them in Ontario when I was a kid.Rob trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:43 PM Hey Allan , thanks. yes I have tied to save as many of gramp's pictures as I could,I can tell you for a fact though that he did not take any of them.When he used the little kodak box camera he had there was always a finger or the wrist strap prominently in front of the lens on every shot. that or the subject of the pictures were missing body parts ie heads.My dad inherrited his dad's ability to not take pictrues well, and we all bought him a digital for Christmas Oh well glad that you've enjoyed them Here's a redo from the old thread.THE BIG LOOP: ONTARIO'S GRAND JUNCTION RAILWAY CLASSIC STEAM #40 Most of Ontario's early railway lines barged straight inland from a port and stopped either where the forests and farms ended or when the construction money did.In 1852 The Grand Junction promoters , proposed a different approach.They would loop a line from Belleville where it would connect with the Grand Trunk Railway go around Rice Lake to Peterborough,and then back to meet the Grand Trunk again at Toronto.This configuration would give the railway two ports and an extensive farm and forest base to ship product to and from. But money dried up before the loop could be started, and the project was shelved until 1873.By then other railways had penetrated the area between Peterborough and Toronto.The Nippissing, the Midland to Port Perry and the Whitby Port Perry and Lindsey, so the Grand Junction ran only as far as Peterborough, and even at that it took seven years to complete !A gold rush in Hastings captured the intrest of The Grand Junction,and it built a spur into Madoc near the gold fields.Then when The Midland Railway went on a binge and aquired the Grand Junction as well as all the other lines between Peterborough and Toronto(1893), the loop was finally complete,at least in terms of corporate ownership.Passengers could travel until the late 1950's and freight service was provided by the CN until the 1980's ( in 1917 CnoR purchased the whole lot and thus came under CN's umbrella in 1923 )The CNR gave up on it in the late 80's as they did with most of the web of low yeild Ontario branchlines. The original Peterborough portion still exists in tact,and a final decision on it's disposition is still up in the air as it's owned by the City of Peterborough.Rob « First«13141516171819»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Hello everyone. Tom, I'll take a cold water with a lemon-it helps clear the lungs. Been catching up and neglected to take notes until almost the last page so I may be a bit more scatter brained than normal. Tom, the Classic Trains issue about the coast to coast Boy Scout trip is Summer 2003. The majority of the issue is about the B&O so look for the Mikado on the cover. I liked the fallen flag on the KCS. It's always seemed weird to me that this rr has been around for years but very little is published about it in any of the rail press. Even here in SW Mo, very little is discussed about the KCS. The widecabs are, along with the ex SD45s, are probably the most notable of KCS' recent prevelence of buying most of its power secondhand. All this stopped a few years ago when KCS ended their all EMD streak by buying new GEs.(yuk!) CM3, I appreciate the detailed info about the C&O GP30s. The dispositions are most helpful-Diesel Era mag does similar articles. Question however. The Kansas and Oklahoma rr, a Watco company, has an exChessie GP30 which I rode in the cab of earlier this year. I seem to remember the number being 3016. It also had a interesting device on the control stand allowing the engineer to vary the power--kind of like the fast/slow switch on some locos to change the way they load up for road or switching. I agree about the particular noise the locos make when under load. Trolleyboy, let me get this straight. You think that the EMD E8 is not an attractive locomotive? Did I read too quickly? I do agree about the long nosed Es being nice looking. My favorites were the purple ACLs, the SALs with the retractable nose door, and of course, the Rock's 630. Well, the official season for the Midland ends tomorrow. Probably for the good as our 2 primary locos are broke down. The 142 fried its au
Hi Tom and all.
Back again CINDY so another bacon sarnie please.
The first batch of photos from the Stockton & Darlington 150 Cavalcade from 1975.Sorry about the foreign objects on some of the slides.
The replica of the S&D 0-4-0 LOCOMOTION. The loco is usually at the Beamish Museum in County Durham.
1857 built 0-4-0 WellTank No5 SHANNON this locomotive used to run on the Wantage Tramway in Oxfordshire.
1875 built North Eastern Railway 2-4-0 No 910 a National Raiway Museum engine. She is being towed by Flying Scotsman.
1892 built London & North Western Railway 2-4-0 'Precedent class 2-4-0 No 790 HARDWICKE. This loco took part in the 'Railway Races to the North between the West and East Coast routes in 1892 between London and Aberdeen
This loco ran specials on the main line for a short while, I had a trip which had Hardwicke double heading with the last BR steam locomotive to be built, 9F Evening Star, between Leeds and York via Harrogate.She also ran from Carnforth to Grange over Sands on a small train I was lucky to travel on in 1976.
1902 built Midland Railway Compound 4-4-0 No 1000, these locomotives were known as 'Crimson Ramblers', another NRM engine. I was booked a few times to travel behind the locomotive but never managed to .
1898 built Great Northern Railway 'Small Atlantic' No 990 HENRY OAKLEY, an NRM engine I was lucky to travel behind her on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway while she was at the line for a short time.
These should enlarge..
ROB Just seen your post. Rather you than me to stroke H&H's egos.
Thanks for the info on #140's smokestack spark arrestor.It was surprising how many sparks the Deltics could chuck out especially when they had been idling for a while and were opened up.
Great photo of the Algoma Central locomotives taken from the train and many thanks for the Lowell and the Seashore cars.
That sounds a great way to start Sunday with a breakfast at the Arm, what hours are they open Sunday.
Well CINDY, Holden's Mild for me and a Guinness for Rob and a round for those who come in please(well it is 5PM in England)
Pete.
Here's a couple pictures to tide everyone over this morning. O Cindy could I have a BK mix refill thanks, here keep the change, thank-you.
A 1980's shot of ACR''s Agawa canyon pulled by the 200 series GP38's crossing the Montreal River Bridge ( shot I picked up at the gift shop in the 80's )
The Lowel mass trolley line
A Third Ave car at Seashore
enjoy
Rob
Morning Cindy , you look as wonderfull as always's. I think I will partake in a large thermos of the BK splash #1 ( lower octane ) and you know what I think a bacon sarnie as well Pete's put me in the mood for one. By the way Pete the arm's serves some great breakfasts on Sunday's not to mention the classic pub fare and deserts the rest of the week. Oh yeah there's a bar there too.
Tom-They've cleaned up the shorline website , much more compleet than it used to be That could be a rendezvous at some point as well,would take a couple days (daze) to do the place justice.Happy snow-shoeing
All the ground critters aggree on an early Spring I figure we have at least two good storms left before easter.
I'll get a mo-sheen when the sales start in April Sears and the like around here clear out the snow-blowers right before it's time to bring in the lawn tractors and mowers.
Maybe you can sweet talk the ACR folks,you know let the harmless lil' old man have his top seat the whole trip At least the ticket is for the dome car the whole way, the ACR removed the bar and teh state rooms from the domes and replaced them with seating in the lower area's. There's also a dinner or twio on teh train depending on the time of year .
Pete- Trade secrets my friend you don't want to know how to control H&H besides it's more directing than control , you just have to make them think it's their idea, stroke their ego's as it were.No Boris down I said ego's <sheesh>
The extention on 140's smokestack is a spark arrestor, there were 9 still are ) many wooden trestles on the ACR not to mention all the paper plants etc that they work in where stray sparks from the engine could well be a bad thing. CN has done the same thing on a lot of their earlier EMD's as well , some of the non-turbo charged ones would through out alot of sparks or unburnt fuel from the stacks.
Eric- Neat picture if that consolidation had an elesco feed water heater hanging above the firebox and an all weather cab I'd swear it was a CnoR N5C,which CN ran until the end of steam on the rural branchlines.
A cup of your famous coffee and a bacon sarnie please CINDY.
TOM. Sorry I missed the bar yesterday, I had a stinky head which got worse as the went on.
I bet Juneau is really enjoying the snow; I think you got a lot more than we did here. We had a couple of inches or so I think most of it passed over us here and it really did not start the heavy snow in until about 6PM, we walked home after it had stopped.
Really enjoying the ‘Patron's Pix' series, it is great to see those photos of Rob's of the classic trolleys and work cars, I see my old favorite No 327 as made an appearance.
Yes it would be great to go to The St George Arms, it would be easier to get me in there than to get me out I think.
I could not spot the bell on 2253,I agree it is a fine looking locomotive, I got to wonder if those locos worked any passenger trains while they were in Britain, they did work a fair bit of freight before going to mainland Europe.
The TrainWreck saloon sounds a great place for a Can-Am review. Love the photo of Juneau and I, (yes still got the arm). I think the train I was supposed to be watching is just coming over the bridge.
Many thanks for the RR ads from the Classic Era. The artwork on them is remarkable, like the painting on the Santa Fe Chief that and the PRR New York and Milwaukee Road power are my favorites but they are all good.
That is a great link to the Seashore Trolley Museum. Atlantic Shore line #100 is an interesting electric and a worthy restoration project.Great open car #1601 at Lowell.
ERIC Many thanks for the circus train photo. Looking forward to more of it and the Mo-Pac model locomotive photos next week.
# 2253 I think would have been air-braked for use in Poland, to work the coaches on the preserved line it would to have to be fitted with a vacuum brake.
The bride too is not too keen on Wal-Mart, we have been to the one here twice and I got lost in the store both times. Mind I did get a coat here in Wal-Mart on my first visit in KC seven years ago and it has lasted up to now although the zip has just broke.
I see Tom as come up with some info on that mystery locomotive at Boone.
NICK Glad you agree you think there is a bit of resemblance with the Deltic and an E or F unit. The first two main line diesels the LMS pair 10000 and 10001 were perhaps even more so.
Thanks for the kind words on the photos yes that BR blue on Sir Nigel literally stopped me in my tracks when I first saw it newly painted. I would love to see an Ex LMS Princess or Duchess in it, I have seen pictures and it seemed to suit them too. It is odd that the BR blue scheme did not suit the Great Western locos as good. I have read that the King class No 6023 is going to turned out in blue when it completes its renovation to run again for the first time since BR days.
Glad the locos are in fine order and the ‘Pines' is back on the timetable ready for the climb out of Bournemouth West again. Have you heard anything about ‘ Sustrans' converting part of the trackbed of the S&D near Bath into a trail including passing through the tunnels on the way out of Bath.
I shall look forward to see the photos.
ROB Yes H&H have plenty of spare time nowadays, since no one dare challenge them at the Tag Wrestling matches any more. Love to no how you are able to control H&H so well
It would be good if
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This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
G'day Gents!
A beautiful blue sky morning here in mid-continent USA where the temps are expected to rise, melt all this wonderful white stuff ‘n put us in the slop by the ‘morrow. <ugh>
Join us for a mugga Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast listed on our Menu Board!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - Feb 1st: <all times Central Standard>
Page 177 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:58 AM: Ahhh, some clarification is in order regarding that foto of Pete ‘n Juneau . . . Juneau has one of his stuffed animal toys in his mouth. As is his "way," he "thrusts" it in your direction, wanting to play "tug," of course. This is what Pete is engaged in doing . . . Does appear as if Juneau has devoured Pete's arm! <yikes>
"Old people's MTV (weather channel)" comment cracked me up! <swg>
Pleased to see that you reconsidered ‘n provided the crew with your rundown of the current Classic Trains issue . . . Mine has NOT arrived yet; but what's new I never get ‘em early . . .
Movie, "Matewan" was shown at the Emporium during the week of Jan 28th - Feb 3rd, 2007 - seems just like yesterday! Anyway, you are correct, it IS a <keeper> ‘n one that should be viewed.
Let's GO GIANTS! <grin> But, I still say the Patriots will remain undefeated - not my wish, just where the "money" is. <uh oh> Sorry Larsman! <grin>
A fine Post capped off with your ROUND ‘n quarters for Herr Wurltizter!
Page 178 - Dan (DL-UK) at 12:27 PM: In for a mid-day visit <here> - but the end of it for you, eh Anyway, appreciate the patronage.
Can't speak for ALL of the U.S. or Canada, but sports talk is a "big thing" in ‘n out of the bar scene. In the U.S. we're rather seasonal - right now hockey is about to supplant football once the Super Bowl is played. Then comes baseball with its interminably long, long season. Basketball seems to be in the "back ground" through the early fall - late spring. Just the pre-occupation of it all.
Of course the talk these days <daze> is POLITICS - however, in keeping with what we try to AVOID at the bar - that's a "no no" subject - ‘n rightfully it should be. Refraining from religious, political or otherwise "hot button" subjects is not healthy for our bar. So, we avoid ‘em . . . Didn't need to be "told" by our hall monitors either, kinda set up "Our" Place that way. <grin>
Only suggestion I can offer regarding the use of URLs that extend far over the "limit" is to avoid ‘em. If they can't be reduced to one line, then some ‘puters are just going to be adversely impacted. Perhaps just the "generic site" could be used - with some guidance to "click this or that" might helpful . . .
Anyway, thanx for the chat ‘n visit!
Page 178 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 1:09 PM ‘n 1:55 PM: Timing couldn't have been better for your fone call. I no sooner got thru the doorway when the fone rang ‘n there you were! Spent a bit of time outdoors clearing our mile long driveway ‘n attendant sidewalks <really not that long, but it seems so!> of the 8" snow fall. Surely glad there's a MoSheen ‘round the joint to do the heavy work - I'm outta that business these times with "old man" problems . . . Anyway, it's wonderful out there ‘n I expect to be out more than in for this day. Juneau wouldn't have it any other way! <grin>
Great talking with you ‘n appreciate the call!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, Friday night, let's have that juicy Filet Mignon I love. And lots of mushrooms! A cold Keith's, please.
This week went fast. New month and Super Bowl on Sunday. But a Super Bowl without the Packers is not a real Super Bowl.
Nick – Room 101? You must be kidding. I thought it was 103! Rob – Is Zeplin One available? I thought it was grounded for maintenance? Out of helium or something. I like the Algoma Central livery! Very good photos!Tom – I saw the snow in St. Louis today! I think it was CNN who had a guy close to the Arch showing all that white stuff. Glad it wasn’t Phoenix. 103 days to Our Place’s 3rd Annual Rendezvous! I am going to look for the remaining photos from the Circus World Museum this weekend!Nice ads! The best ones in my opnion, Santa Fe’s The Chief Way and Rock Island!
I wonder about the Midnight Zephyr ad. Why did they call it Midnight Zephyr 2000? Very futuristic design. Could it be a try to advertise Midnight Zephyr as the train of the future? Something like X2000? CM3 – I know the law of WalMart. It has happened to me too many times. My wife goes there almost every weekend, but I can’t stand it. Interesting background and info on Matewan! DL – Thanks, I feel great! Back to normal in other words. Ron – Must have been something else to see the “real” thing. The circus train unloading all the equipment and animals. I have only seen when they have been loading those flatcars. An unknown steam locomotive, Boone, IA, several years ago.
Eric
<Huff puff huff gasp thump > Wow just got in from shovelling , I just may invest in a snowblower for next winter ,I'm "plum tuckered" as they may still say in the south.I think leon a rather large guiness oh what the heck a BK splash to chase it with as well.Still comming down a bit out there but it's not all bad, I think only about half a foot but it was that hard sticky snowman snow I prefer the light fluffy stuff mind you it's sticking to all the trees houses people and cars so everythings nice n white, just like a good christmas card.
Yo Tom -gra t postah's sir
Great to see visits from CM3 Shane - Rob - Dan 'n Ron on this Friday! I'll hold off comments 'til the 'morrow's ACKNOWLEDGMENTS . . .
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RR advertisements from the Classic Era
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Midnight Zephyr
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Milwaukee Road - Power
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See ya on tomorrow for ENCORE 'n Photo Posting Saturday!
Tom
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Hey Ruth aftrenoon again. I think I'm sufficiantly warmed up to be able to take a pistrami on rye witha Keith's now,thank-you. Please keep the change.
Ron-Nice to see you pop in again this afternoon. You are right your little calenders have given us all some great tidbits of info to kick around , always great to learn something new when you log into the forum.5x for the hard work as I know that preparing works like that don't happen in two minutes. Those sold deisels would have been from Newfoundland, EMD built by GMD Canada, they wiould have been models G8 ,G12 ,or NF110's or NF210's.
That roundhouse was built that way for exactly the reason's you were thinking.Too many freeze-ups on airlines or human freeze-ups on the people or animal powered one's. theer's another in Northern Ontario on the CN at Capreol I think. It's still used today as well,temps can hit the -40's F where they are so it's a necessity.A tad too cold for me
There really aer a ton of old cars in cuba,mind you theer aer alot of modern Eurpoean cars there too it's a two sided street,what they can't buy in one place they will buy from others. i've been to Cuba once had a heck of a good time, the people were really freindly. I was amazed at how many American's were there,I sat with a bunch of them on the flight from Toronto.
Lots of lovely old steam engines on the Island as well , many are narrow guagers working ion the plantations.
Good day Tom and all present at the bar. A round of drinks if you please. Wow! Things seem to be heating up at Our place. I hope I can keep up. First off, let me express my appreciation of your acceptance of my yearly events calendar. I think it is the basis for presenting new topics to explore. We all have different interests(and some similar ones), and the events calendar, gives us a chance to expand on them. That said, let me go to individual replies in no particular order.
Dan: It seems a lot of interest was expressed by the "railplane" by you and others. Notice the similarity to a Jules Verne machine. Maybe it was Jules Verne who was the inspiration behind the "railplane". I'm sure there is more to the story.
Mike: I think the pictures of the 569 th Engineer Co, was a welcome change of pace(even if off topic). Anything to do with our military is always welcome. That 57 Chevy was a common vehicle all around the world. When I was in Chile years back, they and many other old cars were common on the roads, due to economic conditions. I have watched TV programs that show modern day Cuba. You will see American cars everywhere, but dating back to the 40's and 50's. and even the 30's. If we ever establish relations with Cuba, imagine the fortune in antique and classic cars that will hit the market. I noted from an entry on the pullman train schedule of a rail time between Boston and N.Y.C. of 5 ¾ hours. I used to drive that route every weekend for four years. My best time was 3 ½ hours door-to-door in a VW Karmann Ghia and never got a ticket. The distance was about 210 miles.
Pete: I recall somewhere that a hot fireplace poker would be plunged into a pint of ale to take the nip off it. Do you know where this was done? BTW, I use all fingers to type, but one finger at a time. I hear what you are saying about taking pictures of "everyday" things and events. It's just a lack of hindsight. I wish I had documented all along the Mississippi Gulf Coast BEFORE Katrina wiped it out. The "after" pictures really don't say much unless you have a "before" to compare it to. I saw a program on TV about two guys, one in the U.S. and the other in the U.K. who collect and restore military tanks. (History channel) Between them, they have over 400 tanks. Naturally, they are multi-millionaires. Too bad there isn't a millionaire around who has the same passion for old locomotives.
Eric: I remember seeing the Ringling Bros Barnum and Bailey circus train when it would visit N.Y.C. The train would park at a siding on the west side of Manhattan and a parade of wagons and elephants would head uptown to Madison Square Garden. In those days, I had press privileges through connections my Dad had with the newspapers. This would allow me to go behind the scenes and to view the circus from the press box. I might add, I was very popular with my friends, as they got to see the circus with me. Your picture of the truck unloading the wagons, brings back images of "Mack" trucks as used by the Railway Express Agency in the 30's and 40's. They rode on hard rubber tires and were chain driven. The cabs were open as shown in your picture and side curtains could be inserted in inclement weather. I can still hear the chain rattling and the bumping of the tires along cobblestone streets.
Rob: You are right about "rivet counters". They are missing half the fun. That was an interesting item re: the indoor turntable at Sault Ste Marie. Never gave it much thought. Maybe they did it that way because of the cold and freezing weather that might make an outdoor turntable in operable. I read that the magnets were unreliable on early stud systems. Either they have designed magnets which are reliable, or they are using a non-contact sensor, (infrared, proximity, etc). Anyway, I have learned that there is a prototype for everything. I tried to track down the trolleys from P.E.I. which were sold to Chile, but came up zip so far.
That's about it for now. Tom: Keep warm and enjoy the snow while it's around. Arthritic hands are a bummer when trying to build model trains. That's a good argument for out-of-the-box, ready to run trains. I think it's the damp, cold weather when arthritis seems to be worse. In my case, it was cateracts that prompted me to switch from HO to G. Although the cateracts have been removed, a mild "tremor" in the hands precludes me from doing very fine, intricate work. Working in 1:8 scale is much easier for me.
Remember: Stay loose, but if you can't, there's always exlax.
Good afternoon Ruth my dear , I see that even more fresh posey's have arrived for you from the southern climes. Lets' hope that H&H and kopperkettle don't try and make a hearty stew out of the older wilted one's. I think a nice large thermos of the BK speacial roast ,. but the high octane version will work today for me.Another band of snow's moved in so we might actually get the full amount we weer promised about a foot if all is going the way of the weatherguessers.
Tom-A fine shot of the Arm's sir yes I think pete may decide to transplant himself should he ever make it in for a meal and a beverage was wondering too if Juneau was nibbling on Pete's arm in that picture as well.Great as always chatting with you this morning
Interesting to hear that the frist ACR diesels you saw were in the mountains,it really is a grang paint scheme too bad all have long been repainted, through the two takeovers first by the WC abd now in the CN. Still the passenger trains still run with the domes intact at least on train #1 the Agawa Canyon. Both the domes are old WP one's but they are well cared for. If their ticketing practices are the same,when you pay for the dome fare you get half the trip up top and half in the lower seating areas.
Of note Rapido has just come out with some lovely ACR passenger cars in today's black bear scheme If you feel the need for the locomotives I can get my hands on one for you.
Cm3-Great remenicances of the final days of N&W steam. I know how I'd pronounce Matewan ( Mat-ta-wan)but hey doesn't matter stuill a good read. It was an interesting detail those loading ramps
Dl-Yes the underground article was an interesting read,interestingly I didn't get the wide screen effect,usually I don't unless someone posts a huge picture.
Well Ruth I think another round for the boys, and then I'm off for a bit.
Hello Tom
Looks like Nick has been about so I'll see what he's put on the menu - and have a pint of Holdens' whilst waiting. Pete, Codsall station has a good reputation so it would be good to visit. Way out beyond Wolverhampton as I recall.
Yes Tom - I had basically covered up to page 174 but saw your encore RR covers on 175 and it was that I refereed to as I glanced over that page prior to posting.
I had a great fear that the link would do a wide page so thought I'd minimised it - clearly not so - apols about that. Thought our underground enthusiasts would enjoy the article.
Anyway good timing with your N&W feature - there's a good photo spread on last days of N&W steam in the current edition of Classic Trains (may be you chaps across the pond have not got it yet...)
MoPac Chris - good to make your acquaintance of course. Nice pic selection.
Jan - another all inclusive post!
Mike - interesting selection of vintage military pictures, then a full on text posting! Kind of alters your silent link man reputation I've got so used to! Either way - interesting stuff.
Eric - good to see you back on form!
Nick - good to see you in again, afraid whilst I'll proffer opinions on this and that - sport's not one of them. Explains why I can't understand most of Lars' posts too (I jest) - juts enjoy ‘em as I soak up the atmosphere of our straight talkin' manager.
Pete - few points you made I'll comment on but I realise I'm running out of time (again!!) so will be back in due course (not least on those GCR Barnums as a result of my GCR trip)
Regards to all
DL
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We missed all of the snow and settled for high winds, horizontal rain, ice, and general slop – not a bit of snow. Well, maybe later. Two more laws:
"Late trains always get later> The Law of wal-Mart "
After you have been standing in line for 20 minutes, another check out line will be opened as soon as you get to head of your line.
Pete was by with comments and some fine pictures of the USA Transport Corps locomotives.
Eric – Great shot of loading flats – enlarge the picture, folks, and note the bridge plates between the cars – TOFC was done that way back in the day.
Nick – Good to hear from you. OSP was in as always with weather report (St. L. was on old people’s MTV (Weather Channel) last night – looked as though it was really coming down, too. I enjoyed the rerun traction pictures. Now, what did Juneau do with the rest of Pete’s arm?
As requested in your post, although edited a bit. Following is some comments and expansion on most recent issue of Classic Trains.
The story on “Final weeks of N&W Steam” is one of the better ones that I have seen anywhere in a long time. The picture of the Y6B at Matewan (pronounced MATE-wan) shows the condition of the N&Ws physical plant at the end of steam; edged ballast, not a piece of junk in sight.
If you have seen the movie “Matewan” you will quickly see that the town in the movie looks nothing like the real place. Incidentally, most of the movie was shot in Raleigh and Fayette Counties in WV. The mine scenes were done at Beckley and most of the above ground scenes at Thurmond.
Some of us got involved in doing technical advice for the production company when they were developing the script, etc. It was something different to break up the routine of the day.
There are several other pictures of Y6Bs in their native habitat at Williamson in the article as well. The caption for one of the pictures is a bit misleading as it says, “A Virginian Railway hopper car in the background tells of N&W’s recent merger with that road.” The date is correct, but coal cars from all over the area ran on other road’s trains. In addition, it was not uncommon to see coal cars from the PRR or the NYC “off line” as well.
The coverage of the 0-8-0s at the end of the article is quite well done. Page 27 has a nice shot of a cut of coal cars at Williamson. Check out the PRR-style position light signal over the second car. PRR owned the N&W but the latter road ran pretty much as an independent property except for a few things like the signals.
Now we move ahead to a good set of color shots of Birmingham which were made just before I moved to that part of the country. Many of the passenger pictures were made at or around the old Terminal Station. One of them shows an SAL SDP35 doing what it was supposed to do.
L&N had some of these as well, but I don’t recall ever seeing one in passenger service as L&Ns passenger trains at that late date were pulled by E units of varying vintages. IIRC, the L&N SDP35s were purchased because of their larger fuel tanks.
There is also a photo of the “Southland” being switched at B’ham. This train, of course, originated at Kansas City. Interesting collection of head end cars in the shot including REA reefers and a truly filth ACL baggage car. Southern makes an appearance a few pages in. Fine looking tuxedo E units. There us also an RPO on one train and an RPO/storage mail/baggage car on the other.
Another SAL SDP35 appears on train 34 with an SAL coach, a New Haven sleeper, and a hw SAL diner. This sort of thing I remember quite well as it was an “accommodation” train in the best sense of the word – something for everybody and an RPO as well. IMHO, the USPS killed the passenger train in the United States when they shifted the mail from train to truck and flying machine.
The remainder of the article has a nice selection of industrial locomotives, a tantalizing glimpse of the IC, and an A-B-B-A set of ACL f units with a freight. Regrettably there is nothing about the big player in town – the L&N. This is probably because their facilities were mainly north of B’ham.
Last, check out the article titled “The Black Market.” Embedded in there is some interesting stuff about power use.
Work safe
P.S. Sorry abt. the edit, but the forum decided to post the first try as one block of text.
Friday's Grin
Reason "things" happen!
Murphy's Law of Lockers:
If there are only two people in a locker room, they will have adjacent lockers.
Don't know the OH-FISH-UL measure of our 2nd snow fall of the season <1st of the new year> - but the lyrics, "Sleigh bells ring, are you listening? In the lane, snow bells glisten . . . " It's indeed a WINTER WONDERLAND out there this fine morning ‘n Juneau's heart is extremely happy! Temps are in the lo-20s (F) ‘n it just feels GREAT to be alive. <yeah>
Sadly to say, by Monday we'll be in the 50s (perhaps 60s!!!) so all of this will be but a memory - but ‘til then, we'll ENJOY it! <yeah> I figure we got about 8 inches - which by my "standards" isn't very much - I like to measure snowfall in FEET!
Well, it's the end of the work week <for many> AND the beginning of a new month! What better way to begin it than with us Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh - breakfasts ready for orderin' from our Menu Board, so let's get a move on, Mates!
Thursday - Jan 31st: (all times Central Standard)
Page 177 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:37 AM: Surprise early AM <day lite> visit from our Resident Ontario Connection!
Fine looking RCS 13 . . . took long enuf! <grin>
According to the OH-FISH-UL weather data, we had a swing in temps on Tuesday from a high of 73 (F) to 15 (F) before day's end . . . was 11 (F) for our first "walk" on Wednesday AM . . . that's just a tad ridiculous! Approaching snow storm is beginning to cloud the skies with temps in the high 20s - just right for some accumulating white stuff. Winds haven't been a factor <yet> . . . did have some mighty blasts pass thru here on Tuesday . . . Ahhhhhh, snow began falling here at 10:35 AM <Thurs> . . . .
I've learned over the years of knowing Wolfman, that you just gotta use the "Refresh" feature on HIM! <grin> He spends far too much time IN that black bag of his, ‘n when he's not doing that, he's finding reasons to procrastinate this ‘n that . . . One day I'm going to have to get him up to the St. George Arms - he'd probably file for Canadian citizenship on the spot! <grin>
Page 177 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 11:44 AM: Your Email was received, responded to ‘n forwarded to the "fearless few." <sans Lars - as he's incommunicado at present>. Anyway, highly recommend you reconsider - definitely a "winner" for this place!
< I3 > Post, visit, quarters ‘n ROUND most appreciated!
Page 177 - Pete (pwolfe) at 2:51 PM: Sir Elton is one of those characters in life I prefer to listen to <enjoy his tunes>, rather than watch. Makes my skin crawl to look at him . . . but that's just Moi! <grin> Never have figured out WHY the Monarch would grant such a title to ANYONE who hasn't served with honor in the military. Again, just Moi!
The situation involving your Can-Am Railway "SPOTTER" duties wasn't totally your fault. Seems to me Juneau had you preoccupied - however, "recert" is required for that as well. <uh oh> [swg> Don't worry, we'll do a review at the TrainWreck next time you're in town . . . <grin>
Fine looking steam locomotive! Takes just a bit of getting used to seeing the bell in that position - but she's a fine looking MoSheen!
Nice link explaining #2253 . . . thanx! Appreciate the use of URLs as a supplement to the written word ‘n fotos. That's been ‘n should be the way we "do it."
Another flying visit by Nick , felt just like old times. Right down to the spandex ,<yikes> who says spandex isn't for the large boned persons, it helps undo what gravity did. Boris seems to have a spring in his step again
So lets see three more of the pics we got from gramps. Lord knows where he found em, or who created them but what the heck enjoy all.
Algoma central GP7 #152 the second last GP7 built rolled out in late '58. She's still around chop snozzed and working in the US at a grain elevator for ADM
One of only Two SW8 switchers from the ACR
A shiot of the ACR's unique sault Ste Marie roundhouse with it's indoor turntable one of very few built this way
Good evening Leon , I think that I need a refill of my thermos from this morning. The high-octane BK splash please here's a couple bucks for a round for the late arrivers as well.
Tom- Sooo the winter wonderland has returned for a couple days ( daze ) eh "sposed" to start here around midnoght my time ,temps going upto +1 but they are calling for lots o snow and possibly freezing rain ( oh joy ) good thing I'm off tomorrow
What me edit a post say it ain't sooo !
Some guy from ontario took some neat traction photo's too, we should try and get him to jooin are little gang here whatdayathink
Pete-Interesting shots sir, and don't worry H&H can help both of you , they are bigger than life. I've yet to see a man or beast that could hold up to their um charmsI think that eventually the line that's left through Peterborough will become a trail , mind you like I mentioned to Eric it's very light rail 80lbs which has little scrap value at the moment and theer are a few industries still on the line, who knows a shortline could happen as CN and CP both run near to town and a connection could be built again.
Eric-Neat shot of the circus train,not to worry H&H tend to do what I ask them. I'm not sure why but they do. at any rate if they can't help you.You could always become better aquainted with good ole Koperkettle he can fly you out of harms way on Zeplin One.
CM3-The Erie County fair now there's something I haven't gone to in a loooong time.
Well good evening my lambkins,how are we all on this crisp and bright winters evening ?? lovely to see a roaring fire in the hearth-although that looks like a human femur poking out of the ashes(BORIS -Explain-NOW!!!)-well,looks like a healthy list of acknowledgements to make since my last visit,so lets get about it-before I do,many thanks on behalf of the family for all your condolences and kind thoughts-he was one of us and aware of the bar although much too shy to join in....
Right-Leon,be so good as to set all these good people up with their tipple of choice (and no ice in Canadian Chris`s single malt thank you..) and I think a bottle of the special rum and a tray of shot glasses for some winter warmers-its a night for toasting toes and swapping tales...
OK-,from my notes-ROB-Putting Pearson on the network would certainly make life easier for my family-is an expensive cab ride from there to Yonge & Eglinton at any time of day..love those pix from gramps- good job-hey those E-Mail jokes had the boys in the band crying and got me a serious slap from Missisnick-double plus !!!
Capt TOM-that header pic rings a bell-either London or Glasgow underground (or poss the GPO private line) had very similar looking motors-will have to look it up...Will sort some pix of both Alans trains and the family holiday last summer (South Devon Rly,Dart Valley Rly and the main line around the coast )asap-was the last ride we had together so extra special memories-thanx also for the S-Capades breakdown-is an entirely different approach to construction to the normal Brit method-vive la differance as they say
CM3-Aint that just the truth mate-token example-letter addressed to "personal attention of Alan McConnell (deceased)"-you couldn`t make it up for money could you ?.......
ERIC-Glad to hear you are healing well-do I detect a touch of quiet anarchy here ...??--remember,big brother is watching-room 101 awaits.....
LARS-how are you old chap ??-was gonna throw a `spot` on that Southern Railway cover,but PETE beat me to the drop-and far more accurately let it be said..-hope all is well in the city that never sleeps..
PETE-some cracking pix there dear boy-enjoyed the Duchess & the Germans but especially the blue A4 with the blood & custard coaches-pure 1949-I suspect I am one of the few people that actually LIKED that livery combo-even the Bulleid pacifics wore it well for my money,although it didn`t sit well on the Castles-good call on LAR`S southern poster btw-I had it down as the flying junction at Gloucester Road between Norwood Jn & East Croydon-full marks to you there ....For my 2 shillings worth,all the English Electric locos had the shape of the E/F units about them...
DD1-Hi there mate-nice to meet you-have a shot of rum-well interested to learn about the full size Maerklin stud system-prototype for everything dept..
MOPAC CHRIS-again,nice to meet you -grab a shot-could tell you are a drummer-no-one else would be banging on the door at 4 am in 1-4-7 time (aint that a bu**er to do)-love the pix-that GG1 looks like yer granny in spandex-just plain wrong...
JAN-again.nice to meet ya-grab a shot and lets gas-welcome to the best bar in town-just don`t eat anything cooked by BORIS..........
DL-how ya doin mate !-glad to see someone apart from PETE is flying the flag !! -who do you fancy for the match on saturday ?-we got the druids at twickers and they aint won in 20 years-could this be the one ..???
GUNNERAL-hows life in middle earth ?( blame Peter Jackson ) wont even mention the rugby..............good to see you again-have a wee top up there,its early yet
MIKE-less the reverse charge cousin,more the appalling uncle who turns up uninvited to the wedding and tries to snog the bridesmaids-but I thank you kindly for the thought......
So-whats new here-well,just had a full day of the music-6 hours with the country band,dinner,then 4 hours with the blues band knocking my new fretless jazz bass into shape-paying now-fingers are raw...
spent a half day yesterday checking out the layout (S.O.B Lines) after 2 years total neglect-lordy,I had no idea spiders could grow that big in this climate-looks like Miss Havishams wedding breakfast up there-mice have eaten things-only good news is that the badgers who live underneath the shed havn`t tunnelled up (although they have made a fair mess of the lawn...)
Have decided that as I have had several years of running Canadian stock and have now aquired some new Brit stuff as well as Alans Swiss things we shall have a season of Brit running so all the buildings will be changed as well as signals and other give-away items--have run up most of my old Tri-Ang and other Brit engines on the bench and all seem to be working suprisingly well so looks like the Somerset and Dorset wil be making a comeback and a token Pines Express will once again depart Bournemouth west for Bath green park and points north-will take and post pix as I go-I know the S&D will be unfamiliar to most of you but it surely counts as a classic -ask any Brit modeller
Right-seems to be getting early late again-better just slip into the galley and make sure the fish is fresh and BORIS isn`t touching anything-a few quarters for the juke-Oscar Peterson Trio live would hit the spot,sleep well chaps,speak soon,all the best,Nick
Leon, let me have a triple cheese burger, raw onions and curly fries! The usual to drink!
Kind of quiet day here at the Bar today! It is not even Friday. But tomorrow is!!
Mike – Early morning! I checked the map so I have a good idea from where that picture was taken. Did you take it?Tom – Wait? Me? Oh, I saved some for next week! I like those Traction photos. Especially the top one! Looks there was a mishap sometime. They burned off the overhead wire or maybe a car with a too high load caught it and ripped it down. The wire has been repaired once. Juneau spoiled?? Oh, no I wouldn’t say he is. No, not Juneau, he is just used to have things done certain ways. His ways. Plain habits, nothing else. Let me put it this way, he is not, repeat not, being abused.Good looking streetcars in Rob’s old post! Including the “Beast”. No, not Juneau. Rob – Thanks for looking after me! I’ll keep H&H in mind!80 lbs rail? Let’s hope the scrap value doesn’t go up!CM3 – Shoot everything is the the right thing to do when it comes to photography. “Everyday” stuff photos is what you will like the most after so many years. Pete – We’ll have a closer look at those Mo-Pac locomotives next week! It will probably... no, you’ll see next week. That #2253 locomotive seems to be eqipped both with air- and vacuum brakes. Is that correct?
Here is the circus train photo. The truck is actually pulling those trailers on board the train. You can see exhaust fumes around the rear wheels of the truck. More to come.
Pleased to see CM3 Shane - and - Pete dropped by . . .
Snow has arrived - began without "fanfare" of any kind at about 10:40 AM - no frenzy, just the white stuff covering all - Juneau was most happy with our 3rd walk! His "mama" got home early 'n he's had walk #4! Spoiled Nahhhhhhhhh, he just "boss." <grin>
Patron's Pix - Number Four
Explanation: This series features fotos from the guys who have entertained us over years on the Original Thread and here at the Reborn "Our" Place . . . As long as these fotos "live" in the Ether, why not have ‘em redone right here Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown. The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown.
The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 07 Jun 2005, Page 22 of the Original Thread:
#1 The next is a picture if snowplow TP-11 one of two built to combat heavy drifts in 1946 by national steel car in Hamilton Ontario. We lovingly refer to this car as the beast!!!.
The next is a picture if snowplow TP-11 one of two built to combat heavy drifts in 1946 by national steel car in Hamilton Ontario. We lovingly refer to this car as the beast!!!.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 08 Jun 2005, Page 23 of the Original Thread:
#2 Car # 1 TRC 1326 a 1910 TR car built in the company shops one of three hundred such cars. (1300-1710)
Car # 1 TRC 1326 a 1910 TR car built in the company shops one of three hundred such cars. (1300-1710)
#3 The second car is Toronto civic 55 Preston car and coach manufactured in 1915. Wooden single truck double ended cars.
The second car is Toronto civic 55 Preston car and coach manufactured in 1915. Wooden single truck double ended cars.
#4 and finally car #33 Montreal and Southern Counties 107 interurban combine built in 1912 by Ottawa Car and Coach also a wooden double ended car.
and finally car #33 Montreal and Southern Counties 107 interurban combine built in 1912 by Ottawa Car and Coach also a wooden double ended car.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 09 Jun 2005, Page 24 of the Original Thread:
#5 A shot of the museum's classic Grand Trunk (1912) built Rockwood Station saved from destruction and moved to the museum in 1971.
A shot of the museum's classic Grand Trunk (1912) built Rockwood Station saved from destruction and moved to the museum in 1971.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 10 June 2005, Page 25 of the Original Thread:
#6 A little shot of yard three last July 10th during the museums 50TH anniversary celebration.
A little shot of yard three last July 10th during the museums 50TH anniversary celebration.
#1 . . . Page 135
#2 . . . Page 141
#3 . . . Page 152
A pint of Holden's Special on this rather chilly day please RUTH.
MIKE Many thanks for the photos and the links.
The Gull services must have been great trains to travel on.
As to the one finger typing, the answer is very slowly, I did try more than one but when I put it into the spell checker it said, "You must be joking", so it looks as though I am stuck with the old method.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos, I have had great fun looking through the old photos, hopefully Shildon Phots Saturday.
Although it looked cold in that snow at Kirkwood it really the temperature was not bad at all. I have always loved seeing railways and especially steam locomotives in the snow.
Elton John played about 30 miles from here last year, the bride went to the concert with some friends from work, all girls, and so I was left here. She said it was a great concert that she very much enjoyed. I guess I shall have to wait for the WHO to come near here.
ROB Really glad we are able to enjoy your Gramp's photos at the bar, although he did not take them.
Many thanks for the redo of the Big Loop. I see it lasted in to the late 1980s for Freight. Any idea what may happen to the line the City Of Peterborough owns.
It is good to know they do those locomotive books in Canada. I brought over my Ian Allan locomotive books over, I see the unmarked Combine Volumes from the 1950s are fetching hundreds of dollars on e-bay when the come up for sale, unfortunately I do not have any from the era unmarked. If they had a fastest loco photter contest that chap must be a good contender.
Thanks for the photo of the RSC 13.
What's this about sending H&H away to help Eric, they are my bodyguards to protect me from Vito the Hit's friends who Manager Lars has hired. I don't know why the Manager is so worried about the bar while he is away; we have not had any structural damage (yet)
ERIC Many thanks for those great photos with those marvelous Mo-Pac locomotives, loved the engine crew when the photos are enlarged.
I shall look forward to the circus train photo it is a shame the train has not run since 2005
CM3 It is good to know there are at least two circus trains still running.
You are so right about photographing the ‘everyday scene', it is sad not to take photos of the common scene until one day it changes and you realize you have no photos of it. Looking through my albums and slides, the ones that were everyday are giving me a lot of pleasure but I have regrets now I did not take more of them.
TOM Real glad to know my ‘Ticket' is still good on the S-Capades, it is one test I shall look forward too. I guess my position of ‘Dispatcher on the Can-AM is more in doubt, after the train I was suppose to be watching became uncoupled, run round its train and derailed the passenger cars in the tunnel.
Many thanks for the photos from ExpoRail. I remember well, waiting at the station in the rain for the car in the first photo to pick us up, and a great photo of Montreal's first electric car ‘Rocket'
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; Coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Running lkate today, but work trumps other activities.
Cloudy today with temperatures in the 40s. There are threats of ice, etc. for later this evening - we'll see what happens.
Mike - Thanks for the photos and sites. Yes, it was a Packard - only because I can't find a good-running Locomobile.
The 1957 New Haven Pullman list is a nice piece of material. Recently I posted some material on the Wm. Penn and the Quaker in response to a question from Eric. Back on the old site, you'll find some information on the "Boot" that I posted there.
Eric visited - your comments about the UP/SP situation were well-taken. There are a lot more horror stories behind that situation as well. IOW, The Great Yellow Father bit off a lot more than they could chew which wound up grid locking large segments of the system. Rob visited with stories, reruns and a neat bldr's shot of an MLW RSC.
RBB&B has two circus trains - a red train and a blue train. They run in different sections of the country. Straits Shows is another outfit which travels by train. It's lots of fun to watch them when they come to the Erie County Fair in New York every season.
Pete - Thanks for more background information on UK steam. I kept lists of units when I was actively photographing. But I did this only for roads whose power situation was relatively stable. The reason for this is I didn't want to wind up shooting roster shots of the same engines over and over. Boston and Maine and CV are examples of this. As for logging engine numbers, can't say as I did. In general, then as now, my thoughts on photography is shoot everything, especially the so-called "everyday" stuff. That is what most photographers skip in favor of exotic items that appear infrequently.
Lars was by with observations and book covers. Take care.
DD1 - Thanks for the information on the "China Clipper" movie. I'm going to find out if that's available. They had an interesting cast with Humphrey Bogart getting 4th billing - hmmm...
DL - Tin mines reopening? Similar to coal as I thought I would never see active recruiting of miners again for work around here. Function of the demographics of the workforce.
OSP - Thanks for sharing information on the "S" Capades part of your empire. Certainly a creative way to deal with the space you have,
Just stickin' my nose in to see what's up - not much! Anyway, noticed that foto from trolleyMAN Rob that didn't show! <gotta CHECK on your submissions BEFORE running off!> <geesh> Ahhhhh HA - came back with an "edit," didja!?!!?
Want to say THANX to CM3 Shane - Gunneral - Rob 'n Lars for keeping "my other Thread" up 'n running. Don't know what the purpose is anymore - since it's really not attracting any "new blood," but it just won't go away! <grin>
A couple from that site that I've Posted recently . . . .
MTC #1959 built by CCF in 1928.
<personal foto taken at ExpoRail, Saint-Constant, QC, Canada>
MTC #350 built by Brownell in 1892 and was the first electric car to operate in Montreal (Sep 21, 1892).
<personal foto taken at ExpoRail, Saint-Constant, QC, Canada.>
Thought also that it's time to provide our "Ground Rules" again . . . <from Page One>
Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch. Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh
Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch.
Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.
Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh
Still awaiting the "big snow" - I'll believe it when I fire up the sno-blowing-MoSheen!
Later!
Morning Tom and da-gang. Hey Ruth could I get an extra large thermos of the BK splash #1 yes the good stuff and oh no I think just a plate of flapjacks to eat. No Boris "Jacks" not cats <sheesh> here's the keys to teh critter treats you know what to do with it oh and go for the small PPF you don't need to inflate any friends today
Pete-There are books like that available , every year since 1982 the Bytown railroad historical group out of Ottawa put out a paperback called trackside Canada , it covers all RR's that operate in Canada as well as shortlines museum's and regionals,but I've never seen him with a copy Maybe he's the fastest finger in the west.
Eric-I was just looking out for you afterall Mike is a Mountain of a man and is alot quicker than he looks.Take H&H for back-up at least they can carry you home should you find yourself in a dumpster again <uh oh > but not to worry H&H make good nurses.
Last I heard the lets get rid of the ugly tracks group in Peterborough ws hankering for a bike path <barf> mind you it's 80lbs rail so they were left intact because of their low scrap value , which is why they are likely still intact.
Mike-Hey a couple great urls from the little Island thanks Not to worry i know of a couple Islanders that have become CN people in the last ten years. The tracks were pulled out completely in the early 90's. Again it was all extremely light rail,CN had to roster extra light loco's GE 70 tonners and the long gone MLW RSC13's to tip toe over the tracks there.
An RSC13 from the gramps box
Hey Tom required recertification dabossman does run a tight ship or railyard I hiope you don't get the gale force winds we had yesterday almost all day. the Burlington skyway brideg was closed for seven hours after a tansport was blown on it's side during the morning rush hour,thank god no one was hurt and more importantly I don't use that route. Still colder than a witches you no what up here though,but no snow
Here in mid-continent USA, we're awaiting the arrival of our 2nd snow storm of the season - 1st of the new year . . . "they" are predicting 6 inches <or more> - which really isn't that much - but "we takes what we gets!" <grin>
Coffee's been freshly ground ‘n brewed, pastries stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready for ordering from the Menu Board!
Comments from the Proprietor:
Far too many nite-time Posts for me to address - so my ACKNOWLEDGMENTS will be simply that! Many thanx to all for making "Our" Place YOUR Place!
Wednesday - Jan 30th: (all times Central Standard)
Page 176 - Mike (wanswheel) at 3:46 PM: Pensive Mike, revealing just a tad more as the years pass by. Appreciate the visit ‘n round!
Page 177 - Allan (Gunneral) at 7:49 PM: Round of Tui's - < I3 > Post ‘n meaningful interaction - all part of what we try to achieve ‘round this joint! Your part of the world sounds like heaven on earth to me!
Page 177 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 7:52 PM ‘n 9:43 PM ‘n 9:56 PM: Three visits with the Wolfman squeezed in! "Big Loop" seemed "new" to me - happens when one gets O-L-D! <grin> Appreciate the support for the joint . . .
Page 177 - Pete (pwolfe) at 9:43 PM ‘n 10:26 PM: Hmmmmmm, what happened to the "slot" <geesh> As said earlier, "We takes what we gets" ‘round here! Your "qualification" remains in force as an operator of the S-Capades - but we DO require recertification on an annual basis! <uh oh> Another fine < I3 > Post ‘n of course two ROUNDS!
Page 177 - Eric (EricX2000) at 11:52 PM: A fine < > Post from our Resident Desert RETIRED Swede! Appears you are well on the way in the "mending" department. Nothing wrong with your <wicked> mind either! So you just couldn't wait, eh S-Capades fotos look fine! Thanx for the < I3 > Post ‘n continuing support for the bar!
Thursday - Jan 31st:
Page 177 - Mike (wanswheel) at 12:12 AM: Our Resident URLMeisterMonsterMike returned with a little something for everyone - well almost. <grin> Perhaps one day . . .
I'll get to the URLs later on . . . thanx for the visit ‘n ROUND!
Regarding Nick <nickinwestwales> ‘n Chris <CFournier>: I wouldn't get our hopes up, Gents - they've been gone for so long that to expect a resumption of regular activity just because of a brief return is really asking far too much. Remember, "We takes what we gets" at the Bar by the Ballast!
Another round Tom
Hope you saw Coast Guard on the map.
Allan, no, I was never an MP, just a supply clerk in an MP unit. Probably the Army gods deemed me supply worthy by virtue of vast experience as a stockboy at the local five-and-ten. The fun part was that I got to drive the Dussenhalf. And a real Jeep. It was great, I'd go back to being 20 in a heartbeat.
Rob, you speak heresy. Without a railroad on PEI some kid will not grow up to be an engineer like my grandfather and his brothers.
Nick, if you read this, you remind me of a cousin who calls collect once in a blue, confident that we'll gladly accept the charges. Take good care of the inherited toys. Sorry to hear young Hannah has lost her grandfather and Mrs. Nick her dad.
Ron, interesting history on Mardi G. Never been to the Gulf Coast states. Maybe someday.
CM3, did you say Packard Twin-Six? And we thought you wanted a Crosley.
Eric, yes, you've got a good eye for detail. I didn't see any trains over there though, just tracks.
http://www.569th.com/images/map_md.jpg
DL, you remind me of a song by Elton. Daniel my brother you are older than me. Great Uncle Dan was a CV engineer.
Gosh all this typing I better say hello to Mopac and Jan. Lars who?
Pete, how do you do it with one finger, I'm exhausted.
Prince Edward Island timetables
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47873
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47872
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47647
New England Pullman trains
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=43955
Mike
Leon, Wednesday evening, what should I have a Wednesday evening? Hmm. I think I'll have a number 3 and lots of curly fries. A cold Keith's to drink. Thank you!
This week is going way too fast. It is hard to keep up!
Rob – Geez, be quiet! Who told you about my plans? Be careful, somebody told me the Mountain man can read. But everything is going according to the plans, so far. Thanks for the Big Loop article! It seems like there was hundreds of those small railroads in Canada. Hope the city of Peterborough decides to keep what is left. Tom – Didn’t you like the Bi-Centennial livery on the GG1? I think it looked great. It was only for a limited time. I didn’t suggest Nessie the Lock Master, I was going to suggest Nessie the Lock Monster! I figured it out when I was at the hospital but I guess I said something during the operation (anesthesia) and somebody heard it and called Manager Lars. Things are being taken care of when it comes to Mountain Man Mike, that is all I can say. That dumpster thing? I don’t remember. Other brunettes? I know, but there is only one “the brunette”! Tigers eat almost anything. Maybe I have to leave early, before the farewell dinner?! I was surprised when SP gave up and was swallowed by UP. I heard quite a bit (direct from a top guy) about all the plans they had for the future in 1993 and did not expect them to disappear any time soon.Interesting to read about how you planned and built your S-gauge layout! Especially since I have seen it! Looking forward to the next installment! S-Gauge trains.
CM3 – Thanks for the Wabash info!Lars – I already explained to Tom how it probably happened that you got hold of my name for that safe. But you changed the last word Monster slightly to Master! But that is okay, that is why you didn't win!Good books (and DVD)! Especially one of them, Guide to North American Steam Locomotives! I have it so I know it is a very good one. Lots of info! Ron – I actually believe I saw that movie, the China Clipper, many years ago. DL – I’ll take it easy forever now! I am retired and I will not do anything too hard on me, not even during my 20 hrs at work/week. Mike – Interesting photos from Vietnam! I can see a railyard in the top one (left side). Allan – I am going to have my Steak & Bisquits tomorrow (Thursday). Their is only one person at “my” Cracker Barrel who knows how to cook them my way and she has promised to have them ready for me tomorrow!Pete – I have not had time to look for the circus train photos, but happened to find one by accident. Maybe I can scan it tomorrow. I checked the museum’s website and there will be no circus train this year. Haven’t been one since 2005. Eric
I'll have the Holden's ROB has kindly offered to get LEON.
Done a 'refresh' and saw your post
Single cabbed locomotives and the car seats all facing the same way was one of the big differences I noted when first seeing North American railroads. The only real locomotives in the UK apart from switchers with a single cab at one end was the English Electric class 20s and in my experience it was very rare just to see a single locomotive as they worked in pairs with the cabs facing outward.
I wonder if they do a book with all the locomotive numbers and types of the CN and CP locomotives, so that he knows which ones he as seen before, he has to be quick to check the loco and then take a photo if it is a new one.
Have another Guinness on me.
Hey Pete we posted at the exact same moment don't think we could do that again if we tried.hey leon I think someone drank my guiness oh I did I guess I need a refill here's a bit o cash for an extra holden's for stealthy Pete.
The deltic needs to have only one cab though to really look like an American locomotive.I don't know what it is with you Brits and numbers.theres a guy here in Brantford , that has to copy down all the loco numbers he comes accross while he's at the station,he has a camera but I've never seen him use it,just his coil notebook. Nice guy I have talked with him a few times seems he only will photograph loco's he hasen't seen before his books broken up by type GP9's etc, he flips to the page an looks at his notes I gues if it's not noted he'll take the shot,hard at 60mph I figure
From what I understand Barnum and Baily still own and run a Circus train , they own the cars whomever the local railroad is supplies the power. I can remember seeing both CN and CP pull them in Ontario when I was a kid.
Hey Allan , thanks. yes I have tied to save as many of gramp's pictures as I could,I can tell you for a fact though that he did not take any of them.When he used the little kodak box camera he had there was always a finger or the wrist strap prominently in front of the lens on every shot. that or the subject of the pictures were missing body parts ie heads.My dad inherrited his dad's ability to not take pictrues well, and we all bought him a digital for Christmas Oh well glad that you've enjoyed them
Here's a redo from the old thread.
THE BIG LOOP: ONTARIO'S GRAND JUNCTION RAILWAY CLASSIC STEAM #40
Most of Ontario's early railway lines barged straight inland from a port and stopped either where the forests and farms ended or when the construction money did.In 1852 The Grand Junction promoters , proposed a different approach.They would loop a line from Belleville where it would connect with the Grand Trunk Railway go around Rice Lake to Peterborough,and then back to meet the Grand Trunk again at Toronto.This configuration would give the railway two ports and an extensive farm and forest base to ship product to and from.
But money dried up before the loop could be started, and the project was shelved until 1873.By then other railways had penetrated the area between Peterborough and Toronto.The Nippissing, the Midland to Port Perry and the Whitby Port Perry and Lindsey, so the Grand Junction ran only as far as Peterborough, and even at that it took seven years to complete !A gold rush in Hastings captured the intrest of The Grand Junction,and it built a spur into Madoc near the gold fields.Then when The Midland Railway went on a binge and aquired the Grand Junction as well as all the other lines between Peterborough and Toronto(1893), the loop was finally complete,at least in terms of corporate ownership.Passengers could travel until the late 1950's and freight service was provided by the CN until the 1980's ( in 1917 CnoR purchased the whole lot and thus came under CN's umbrella in 1923 )The CNR gave up on it in the late 80's as they did with most of the web of low yeild Ontario branchlines. The original Peterborough portion still exists in tact,and a final decision on it's disposition is still up in the air as it's owned by the City of Peterborough.
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