Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Harvey's Christmas Ale if there is any left please.
LARS Great to see you in the bar for a second time Saturday with some great trolley book covers.
ERIC Glad you are enjoying the photos from the cavalcade at Shildon. The year was 1975 and it was a celebration of the Stockton and Darlington Railways 150th anniversary. There was also a cavalcade in 1980 called Rocket 150, which was held at Rainhill not far from Liverpool where the Rainhill trials were held.
The numbers I give in the text to the photos are the number the locomotives ran with in their BR service. When the British railways were nationalized in 1948 the locomotives were renumbered apart from the Great Western locomotives, their locomotives carried their numbers on cast brass plates so it made sense to keep them. Of the others the diesel locomotives were in the 10000 range, the electrics in the 20000 series. For the steam locomotives the ex Southern had 30000 added to their numbers, the ex LMS had 40000 or 50000 added and the ex LNER 60000. The new BR Standards and the ex war Department locomotives were in the 70000 to 92250 range.
Many thanks for the photos of the Havelock shops of the BNSF, The two locomotives in the last photo look very clean, do you think they had just been through the shops for an overhaul.
Good photo of the old country, do you know what the car is on the right hand track.
DAVE Good to see you. Real glad my passion for British railways is rubbing off on you. I still wish though that I had been able to ride some of the Classis American trains in the 1950s.
ROB Thanks for the kind words on the photos, it is amazing looking back that so many steam locomotives were allowed to run on BR tracks at that time some of the locomotives had been got ready just for the cavalcade.
I got that one was an Alco and one was a GMD on the VIA diesels in your photos, I must be learning.
I will explain the reason for the quiz prize in my reply to TOM although it seems he is trying to get out of it, I can't imagine why though.
RON Many thanks for the Corned Beef Hash recipe I will have to try it.
Interesting events in 1937. I see the first GM E series diesel came out that year, while steam design was still progressing the first Duplex. I had wondered how the group Manhattan Transfer got their name.Many thanksfor compiling the list
Do you know how the electricity for the U.S.S. Langley propulsion was produced, was it by turbine or a diesel engine.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photos and the descriptions. I would be very surprised if there ever was a cavalcade involving so many engines on BR in the future, but you never know.
TOM Best of luck getting out of the date with HELGA. I have already told her that I was not worthy when she picked the bikini (that was very cheap and nearly fits after the Far East manufactures mixed up the Imperial and Metric measurements). I told her the only fair way was a quiz to see who would have the honor to accompany her in public wearing the outfit.
Yes it was very interesting story Mr. Baker had to tell. In the area I lived I was able to get, on the radio, a weekly program broadcast from Birmingham by a man named Carl Chinn, who is a Professor of Local History. His program was about ordinary people talking about the old times in Birmingham and the Black Country in times much changed from today. I believe also that a lot of tape recordings have been taken so that memories of old times won't be lost. I know I could listen for hours to a retired engine driver tell me is tales of days gone by.
Many thanks for thinking of me on a future trip to Halifax.
Yes I enjoyed the Railroad Magazine article first posted by Doug and encored by Lars, I believe there are some old issues of the magazine in the UMSL library.
Two good films on at the Emporium this week
G'day Gents!
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #4
(1) GTW - La Salle
(2) C&O Lines
(3) CN&W - The Namekagon
(4) Milwaukee Road (CMSTPP) - The Columbian
(5) DRG&W - The Panoramic
(6) Erie - The Limited
(7) GN - The Empire Builder
(8) IC The Seminole
(9) KCS - The Southern Belle
(10) L&N - Dixie Line
(11) NYNH&H
(12) NYC - The James Whitcomb Riley
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Enjoy!
Missed any
#1 . . . Page 156
#2 . . . Page 158
#3 . . . Page 166
Catching up on the visits . . . never know what the ‘morrow may bring!
CONTEST is "on" . . .
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Monday - Feb 11th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 - Ron (DD1) at 9:35 AM: First "in" this chilly Monday where the freezing rain is upon us as this winter storm watch continues . . . good to see our Resident Mississippi Gentleman about the decks!
Had wondered about you as the national weather maps were being shown these past several days - some tough times down south. Not a piece of cake up here either, I should add. <groan> Just to think we have spring to look forward to - which is the "traditional" tornado season in these parts. <yikes>
Yes, Kirkwood is a community not that far from where I live. As mentioned several times recently <accompanying many fotos> the St. Louis Museum of Transportation is in Kirkwood. Also, that's the town where I meet Pete when he comes in for a day or two - also where I board the train for my round-trips to Kansas City. It's a community that I wouldn't mind residing in . . .
Some truly relevant Classic Trains material in your Post - also some "off the wall" as well. Can always count on Wikipedia for both . . . never, ever take what they put up as "Gospel," unless they provide reference material, then of course one may verify.
It never crossed my feeble mind that the Hudson Tubes were built for narrow gauge stock - but it does make sense. . . . Here's a link chock full ‘o info!
http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubesenglish/index.html
Don't quite know how Matawan (NJ) got confused with Matewan (WV) . . . but I'll yield to CM3 Shane on that one! <grin> I believe we can rightly place the blame in Rob's direction! <uh oh>
Never was a fan of hash - corned beef or otherwise. Had my "fill" of it aboard ship, but that was then ‘n this is now! <grin> My maternal grandmother was born in Ireland ‘n of course we had our "share" of corned beef this ‘n that in my house, as my mother was quite a cook. Anyway, Nick most probably will pick up on your recipe . . .
Also even the mere mention of SPAM makes me want to head for the lee side . . . <barf>
Visit ‘n round appreciated!
Page 182 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:11 AM: No, no, no <arrrrrggggghhhh> I ain't doin' it! No way, no how! This was rigged I tell ya! Pete - you'll pay for this! <uh oh> Eric you too! Rob you as well! Vito - calling Vito . . . And what's this about Cindy going with Helga to the "Unmentionable shop ‘n Recycled engine oil depository" <geesh> I've been ganged up on . . .
Volkswagens - just loved those I had. My first was a VW squareback back in the late 60s - had a sunroof ‘n an 8-track player. It was just the right size for the Boston traffic. The kids loved to ride in it, although for a family of 5, we were cramped. I hated to part with it, but went "up" to a 3-seat Plymouth Satellite wagon. Then, when I was able to support a two-car family, I bought myself a '74 Beetle - new. It was a great -great car. Orange <'n I mean ORANGE!> in color ‘n kept if for 6 years. I sold that car for what I paid for it. Wunnerful machine. Even went to a small engine repair & maintenance course at a local college so that I could take care of it myself. About 10 years later I saw that car again - painted brown - but I "knew" her, for I had put a VW emblem on the rear engine panel along with a few other "indicators." Still runnin' ‘n lookin' good - although brown just didn't "do it" for me.
After that came the "baby of my life," a new 1980 Scirocco with all the bells ‘n whistles of the day. What a MoSheen ‘n what great fun I had with that beauty. It was Indiana Rot <red> in color ‘n also kept her for 6 years. Darned near shed a tear when I sold it. Went to a Chevy S-10 Blazer 4x4 - a good vehicle, but nothing like my Scirocco. Yeah, VWs - loved ‘em, fer sure, fer sure!
A link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco
Consider yourself "in" the CONTEST! March 15th for Lars is your entry. Thanx for participating . . . however, given this <crap> you're "in on," you may NOT be around to see the results! <uh
Good afternoon again Ruth keeping warm here aave a mug o the BK best on me and I'll join you. I see that good ole' Boris has the,fireplace blazing which is a good thing , I'm not looking too closely at the kindling though
CM3-I see that the weather's about teh same where you are as wheer I'm sitting single digits F with minus's once the 30KPH winds are figured in,the brass monkey's are sad for sure today. Thanks for the info on the E's, I kind of guessed that was something like the case , wood paints up as well as metal ,so why not when one is keeping things running on a shoestring.At least spring isn't too far off.
Tom- Thanks for the chat this afternoon,it's always appreciated.As to our discussion here's though two VIA shots again,the differences are sometimes hard to catch,which is why it's good to look the second time.
Both shots are at bayview junction. The frist show's FPA4 6765 leading the train,bestway to describe the differences is the nose contours,much more square on the MLW FPA4 . Also teh typical vents on either side of the headlight,halmark of the ALCO/MLW FA series. The second shot has an ex CN FP9 leading,roundernose and the typical rrof fans of a GMD unit and the side grillwork.
Rob
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Temperature was +5 degrees this a.m. but it is warming up today. Went to Charleston yesterday - caught one train NB MTYS on the old VGN with two fine looking NS GEs on point - was on the WV Turnpike so really couldn't get pictures. Also found a train laid out east of Charleston on old C&O - more coal cars - it was so long I never did see the power, although I heard it when I was walking from the parking lot in Charleston to my destination. For the mariners (ancient and otherwise) the wind was so high (60+ mph sometimes) that the Kanawha had whitecaps - never seen that b4. Gas is still $3.09 - WV does have the highest gas taxes in the country, so that it part of it being so high.
I apologize for being late today, but Monday sometimes means a meeting which lasts for awhile - project planning, etc. argh!
Allan as by with comment and Nick stopped in as well.
Rob - The reason for wood sides on the Es was that originals had been replaced yrs ago and wood was cheaper. I enjoyed the pictures you sent of all the beasties - like the work car from Chicago.
Eric - Thanks for the information. I well remember the 4-8-4 in Havre. Wes stopped there for awhile on the Empire Builder; IIRC. It was a refueling stop. I remember photographing both eh Builder and the steam locomotive. Havelock Shop pictures were most interesting - building reminds me some of the NP shops in Livingston, MT.
Lars - Good to hear from you. The Image of Rail books vary in quality, not of pictures but of captions. Image of America series has lots of good stuff as well.
DD1 - Good to hear from you and I copied off what you sent.
Pete - Good information and more fine photos - thanks for sending them along.
OSP was by with an accident report. Human error probably - go back through the documents from days of yore and you will, for example, find reports of switchmen lining a switch correctly and then, thinking that it was lined improperly, going back and relining it - with predictably disastrous results. As always it's a case of perception=reality. Good movies ahead - I'll be there.
B4 I forget (what was that, Awk?) The CR cars you saw were probably office cars.
Work safe
Morning Ruth,I'll have the number three and the highest octane BK mix in a thermos you can muster.It's arad cold today -17C with a windchill of -30 C On the up side the gas prices dropped to .98 cents a litre ( probably figure it's the only way people will venture out to refuel )
Tom-On no you can't wiggle out of the prize it was won fair and square,besides Cindy think's it's cute and has helped helga pick out some ummm unmentionables ( all fashionably made from leather ) More cow hide there than I've seen in ages
As I said the trip with Mom and Dad is still in the planning stages but we'll see how it goes.I await the emails re Montreal and Halifax
Put me down for the Larsman on March 15th
Eric-Isn't it cute Tom's over his prize ahhh young love.Loved the shiot from the old country,if you hadn't told us where the photo was taken I'd swear it was one of the rural depots on the Ontario Northland,the only giveaway is the passenger equipment off on the siding definatly not North American,but only noticable when you enlarge. Great shot
Ron-Good morning sir, that recipe almost sounds good ( actually it does sound good but it also sounds a tad artery clogging oh well what's a couple arteries among freinds )
I suppose my young and impressionable youth was first stirred by a group of old CNR RS18's that used to switch the Port Weller drydocks back home still in faded Olive Green and yellow long after most CNR locomotives recieved their barricade stripes paint job.
I've always loved the VW KG's,theirs a bright yellow one we see around town in the summer the owner of the VW dealership owns it Ibeliev he said it ws a 59 as well,teh wife and I own two VW's currently a Jetta City and a Beetle,Tom's had the pleasure in the beetle ( a ride folks ).
Lots of interesting stuff in this Mondays events in history loved it,I've always been a navy history buff so this week's a keeper for sure.
Good day Tom and all at the bar. A round if you please for all.
Dan(DL-UK); Nice pictures of the GW railcars. My Karmann Ghia was a 1959 model. I had it for 5 years until I totaled it in a wreck. My first car was a 1952 MG which I traded for the K-G. Yes TV is getting worse and worse. It seems to be directed toward the seamier side of society and the under 8th grade educational level. That was a good link to the railplane. "Flying Brick", what an appropiate name. How do you eat your spam? Spam and eggs, spam, spam, eggs and spam. I know you had lots of the stuff during WWII. Hawaii is the largest consumer of spam and even I like it now and then. I still remember the olive green cans of spam that GI's brought home (Milrats).
Tom: Beautiful pictures of the Firth of Forth. One of my favorite bridges. Painting bridges is a continuous job. The GG bridge in San Francisco is an example. The painters start at one end, blast, prime and paint. When they get to the other end, they return to the first end and start the process all over again. Nice coverage of the GN. When I was in Tacoma, Wa in 1964, I saw some GN electrics at work before electrification ended. Do you live in or near Kirkwood? Pretty bad happenings at the courthouse for sure. BTW, I heard the road bridge was in poor condition and may be replaced by a new bridge. The railway bridge is still in perfect condition and should last a long time. It is truly an engineering work of art.
Pete: Nice looking Irish DMU's. They are all business looking, strong, robust, no frills.
Nick: Spam fritters? I like corned beef hash better. There used to be a premium food company that put up everything in cans. It was called S.S.Pierce and their CBH was the best around. Umm, I can still taste it. They went out of business many years back and no one has come up with a better product. Here's a recipe for CBH that I concocted which I think is close to the S.S. Pierce recipe.
CORNED BEEF HASH
By Ronald F. Seto
Ingredients:
Note: I leave the quantities up to you to suit your taste and ingredients on hand.
Leftover corned beef, chopped (roast beef may be substituted)
Mashed potatoes (left over, on the dry side, not too creamy)
Onion, chopped
Pepper, red and green, chopped
Two eggs, scrambled
Wosterchester sauce or soy sauce
Garlic
Salt and pepper
Cook onion, peppers and garlic in a cast iron skillet with a little oil. Don't burn
Add mashed potato, corn beef, eggs and sauce, salt and pepper.
Place another cast iron skillet on top of mixture and simmer on medium.
Stir up hash and replace cover. Cook until all is well browned. Serve.
Rob: When you are young and impressionable, things like Mack trucks etch an indelible impression on a young mind. I still have impressions of the 2nd avenue buses and the narrow gauge subway under the Hudson river to Hoboken. I believe it was called the Hudson tubes.
Eric: I tried to research the 1936 speed run of the passenger train in Canada, but came up with zilch. The picture of the Mack truck is now in my photo collection. I wonder how many of them survived.
CM3: Gas is 2.75 in my neck of the woods. I remember Matawan , N.J. for that was where the state mental institution was located. In New York, instead of calling someone nuts, we would exclaim "did you escape from Matawan?"
Events of 1937 Courtesy of Wikipedia
The following people were born in 1937: January 8 - Shirley Bassey; Welsh singer; January 15 - Margaret O'Brien; American actress; Vanessa Redgrave, English actress; January 31 Suzanne Pleshette, American actress (d. 2008); February 9 - Robert "Bilbo" Walker Jr., American blues guitaristl Graham Dowling, New Zealand cricketer; April 5 - Colin Powell, U.S. Secretary of State; Merle Haggard, American musician; April 22 - Jack Nicholson, American actor; April 28 - Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq (d. 2006); June 1 - Morgan Freeman, American actor; August 8 - Dustin Hoffman, American actor; Anthony Hopkins, Welsh actor
The USS Langley (CV-1/AV-3) was the United States Navy's first aircraft carrier, converted in 1920 from the collier USS Jupiter (AC-3), the navy's first electrically-propelled ship. The Langley was named after Samuel Pierpont Langley, an American aviation pioneer. Following another conversion, to a seaplane tender, Langley fought in World War II. She was so badly damaged by Japanese bombing attacks that she was sunk by her escorts on 27 February 1942.
Producer of Marihuana tax stamp.(The picture of the tax stamp didn't come through?)
In the United States, the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act, Pub. 238, 75th Congress, 50 Stat. 551 (Aug. 2, 1937), was an important bill on the path that led to the criminalization of cannabis. It was introduced to U.S. Congress by "Drug Czar" Harry Anslinger, then Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
The act did not itself criminalize the possession or usage of hemp, marihuana or cannabis, but levied a tax equaling roughly one dollar on anyone who dealt commercially in cannabis, hemp or marijuana. It did, however, include penalty provisions and a complex Regulation 1 codifying the elaborate rules of enforcement marijuana cannabis or hemp handlers were subject to. Violation of these procedures could result in a fine of up to $2000 and five years' imprisonment. The net effect was to make it too risky for anyone to deal in the substance until World War 2 required the Unites States Department of Agriculture to make it's 1942 movie "Hemp for Victory" that encouraged and taught farmer's to grow variants of hemp suitable as raw material for hawsers used by U.S Marines, the hemp was used as a substitute for other raw materials that were blocked by Japan.
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CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST
When will we reach Page 200
Bonus: Who will make that Post
Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!
Example: March 17th - Nick.
Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.
Some HELP:
Eric (EricX2000) turned the Page to 150 on Dec 5th , 2007
Mike (wanswheel) got us to Page 100 on Aug 23rd
Pete (pwolfe) helped us reach Page 50 on April 15th
Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th
Let's get going with your submissions!
Tom
A smile to begin the week!
When asked if the movie, "Fatal Attraction," had frightened him, he replied, "Only the scary parts."
<A Yogi-ism!>
Ahhhhhh it's Monday once more! Another five days to excel for the bossman! But before heading out, don't forget to fill up your coffee mug, check out the pastry case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board to begin the day!
Comments from the Proprietor:
We've had return visits from three guys who were deeply entrenched in The Legion of the Lost over the past few weeks. These UTB <used to be> guys were all integral parts of this bar we call "Our" Place. Only time will tell whether they'll stick it out with us. One of ‘em hasn't returned since his brief visit . . . another has been very active . . . so, let's just let THEM play out their hands. It's very easy to say the words, but a bit more challenging to live ‘em.
Sunday - Feb 10th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 Rob (trolleyboy) at 9:37 PM: <arrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh> I'm NOT going out with Helga now or in the future. No, no, no! Anyway, what in the world would Cindy say about THAT! <arrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh>
We probably should begin passing some Emails regarding that proposed Halifax to Montreal to ExpoRail 'n return with Fergie. I'll get something out shortly . . . For Fergie 'n I, we'd begin the rail portion in Halifax, where I'd fly to. Now if all of this falls through for him, we could arrange something just for the museum . . . Still in the pre-planning stages, but glad you're interested.
The trip from Edmonton to Vancouver involves one night aboard the train. It boards rather early in the morning and the station is no where near downtown. It's located right next to an airport as a matter of fact, but not the international one. Anyway, if only one night is what you can "do," by all means DO IT! Just get yourselves up to the Park Car dome ‘n stay there!
I don't have any particular "hang ups" with guys who let us know that they can't keep up with things ‘round here <for whatever their reasons> but when we get that "disappearing act," repeatedly - with nothing to let us know <even by Email>, well it gets OLD in a hurry, eh Borders on the inconsiderate when those very same people show up all over the Forums - but not here. Yes, we takes what we gets ‘round here!
I'd say Jan ‘n Chris are in limbo . . . at least they're not playing the "avoidance game" we've seen from others. Chris was hardly a regular or even an irregular, whereas Jan surely had his moments with us. They're both missed . . .
Thanx for the Sunday stop!
Monday - Feb 11th:
Page 182 - Eric (EricX2000) at 12:47 PM: One of my favorite places to eat is at the Eugene Electric Station restaurant where the dining rooms are in former railroad dining cars. Really a great place ‘n we fully intend to spend more than one night dining there. Here's a link:
http://www.oesrestaurant.com/oeshistory.htm
WRONG my friend - I have NOT accepted anything even close to a "date" with <ugh> Helga! <yikes> WRONG!
Really a fine foto from the old country!
Into the slot! There it goes!
Hmmm, I wonder what Helga is doing here at this time? Singing!?
Dave – So you are Hilary’s running mate!?!? Good to see you again!!Rob – ATC is expensive, but it certainly saves lives and equipment! I am glad that you managed to convince Tom to accept Pete’s Quiz price! I am sure he will enjoy it! No cash value? Maybe he doesn’t even have to pay any taxes on it? It must be Tom's lucky day!!!Tom – I am trying to remember the name of a restaurant in Eugene, OR, that is located in some railroad cars! Nice place, good food! Maybe you have been there before? Two very good movies this week! I have to get tickets right away! I am happy for you that you will have such a great Valentine’s Day date with Helga!! The old counry 1968.Eric
Just a check in to see that Boris and the critters are tucked in and that no critters are chewing on the Penthouse suite doors again.And hey no Nick ro anyone else asleep under any of the tables
Tom-Couple good flicks for this week,I'll take in the Desert Rats for sure sorry <fer sure fer sure > for you.
I think that you'll have to read the fine print on Pete's prize pack,I believe it says something about only "death and natural disasters shall void the recieving of said prize also that it's non-transferable or can be converted to cash as no cash value is implied" <uh oh > It's only one night I'm sure that Boris can give you pointers on how to survive the evening.
Certainly keep me in the loop,I'd love to do exporail with you I might even be coerced into a ride to halifax as wellspeaking of rides My Mom and Dad were so enthralled with the pictures and descriptions of our trip last summer ( yes we told the the horror side as well )That they want to do a train trip for their 50th aniversary next year.My middle sister and her family ( hubby's the airforce dude ) are transfering back to Canada in May and have been posted to Comox BC,so looks like Mom and dad want Heather and I to accompany them on a partial ride on The Canadian ! early planning stages have us flying to Edmonton and doing the one night from their to Vancouver ( they don't want to spenfd three days and $5 large a piece for the whole trip ) .
Interesting cap badge does look a bit like the CSL's logo,I'm not getting overly excited about the UTB's we'll take what we can take always have always will.Wonder where Jan and Chris have gotten to
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . February 10th thru 16th: Wyatt Earp (1994) Starring: Kevin Costner, Todd Allen, David Andrews, Linden Ashby, MacKenzie Astin & Greg Avelone - and - The Desert Rats (1953) Starring: Richard Burton, Robert Newton & James Mason. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idiots Deluxe (1945).
Wyatt Earp (1994)
PLOT SUMMARY: Kevin Costner plays the most famous lawman ever to stride the Wild West. In a gritty, complex portrayal hailed as a "classic American performance" (Bob Campbell, Newhouse Newspapers), Academy Award winner Costner (Dances with Wolves, The Bodyguard) plays the man who became a myth in acclaimed director Lawrence Kasdan's (The Big Chill, Silverado) epic, action-filled saga. Gene Hackman, an Oscar winner for Unforgiven, as Wyatt's iron-willed father, and Dennis Quaid (The Big Easy, The Right Stuff) as Earp's deadly best friend Doc Holliday add power to this mammoth, hard-hitting Western. From Wichita to Dodge City to the O.K. Corral in Tombstone, Arizona, Wyatt Earp is a thrilling journey of romance, adventure and desperate, heroic action.
Kevin Costner plays the most famous lawman ever to stride the Wild West. In a gritty, complex portrayal hailed as a "classic American performance" (Bob Campbell, Newhouse Newspapers), Academy Award winner Costner (Dances with Wolves, The Bodyguard) plays the man who became a myth in acclaimed director Lawrence Kasdan's (The Big Chill, Silverado) epic, action-filled saga. Gene Hackman, an Oscar winner for Unforgiven, as Wyatt's iron-willed father, and Dennis Quaid (The Big Easy, The Right Stuff) as Earp's deadly best friend Doc Holliday add power to this mammoth, hard-hitting Western. From Wichita to Dodge City to the O.K. Corral in Tombstone, Arizona, Wyatt Earp is a thrilling journey of romance, adventure and desperate, heroic action.
<from: amazon.com>
The Desert Rats (1953)
PLOT SUMMARY: Richard Burton stars in this exciting story of the stubborn, courageous men who held Rommel at bay in North Africa despite hopelessly outnumbered. The year is 1941, and Rommel has the British in full retreat. All that stands between him and the Suez Canal is the fortress of Tobruk, manned by a small army of Australian troops who are ordered to hold this vital position at any cost. Many of the men are green recruits, and it falls to Capt. MacRoberts (Burton) to whip them into shape. A bold tactician who realizes they will soon be overwhelmed if they do not take the offensive, MacRoberts leads countless daredevil raids that keep the superior enemy off-balance and earn his men the famous nickname they "won with blood and bore with pride." Directed by Robert Wise and co-starring James Mason in a reprise performance as Field Marshall Rommel (whom he first played in "The Desert Fox"), this stirring blend of action and history pays tribute to the heroic men known in the annals of war as The Desert Rats.
Richard Burton stars in this exciting story of the stubborn, courageous men who held Rommel at bay in North Africa despite hopelessly outnumbered. The year is 1941, and Rommel has the British in full retreat. All that stands between him and the Suez Canal is the fortress of Tobruk, manned by a small army of Australian troops who are ordered to hold this vital position at any cost. Many of the men are green recruits, and it falls to Capt. MacRoberts (Burton) to whip them into shape. A bold tactician who realizes they will soon be overwhelmed if they do not take the offensive, MacRoberts leads countless daredevil raids that keep the superior enemy off-balance and earn his men the famous nickname they "won with blood and bore with pride." Directed by Robert Wise and co-starring James Mason in a reprise performance as Field Marshall Rommel (whom he first played in "The Desert Fox"), this stirring blend of action and history pays tribute to the heroic men known in the annals of war as The Desert Rats.
SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idiots Deluxe (1945)
PLOT SUMMARY: Moe is on trial for assault with intent to commit mayhem. Moe explains he is very sick and needs peace and quiet. This segues into a flashback where Moe is disturbed by Larry and Curly's "Original Two-Man Quartet" act. To help Moe relax, Larry and Curly take him on a hunting trip, which is ruined by a grizzly bear. Moe is then found not guilty and chases his roommates out of the courtroom with an axe.
Moe is on trial for assault with intent to commit mayhem. Moe explains he is very sick and needs peace and quiet. This segues into a flashback where Moe is disturbed by Larry and Curly's "Original Two-Man Quartet" act. To help Moe relax, Larry and Curly take him on a hunting trip, which is ruined by a grizzly bear. Moe is then found not guilty and chases his roommates out of the courtroom with an axe.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend! Tom
"Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays!
I see we've had a fair amount of activity on Saturday, enuf for me to take this opportunity for "catch up," so here it comes!
Saturday - Feb 9th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:35 AM: Yeah, I'll freely admit that when I look at most diesel or electric locos, I can't tell the difference between iterations of ‘em. The F40s ‘n F59s look the same to me. However, it is good to know which is which - ‘n far better to get it right! That's an aspect of "Our" Place that stands out from the anecdotal stuff appearing in so many other cyber sites . . .
Check out the emblem on this link, it sure looks a lot like the one on your foto of that Chicago "work" thing . . .
<couldn't find one that would enlarge - however I believe you will note the resemblance - happens to be the USCG officer's cap device!>
Not to worry about Moi - I'll never become a WalMart greeter - the bride will just have to get a nite job!
Thanx for the fotos, visit ‘n chat!
Page 182 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:37 AM: Back again - two days in succession. What's all this talk about you not being able to keep up with us Only kidding - I understand what's happenin' as I'm in receipt of your Emails. Just hang in there, Mate - we takes what we gets ‘round here ‘n I'm in no hurry to replace you. Anyway, Rob is ‘stuck' with it should it come to it. That's why we call ‘em Assistants - they take over when the top guy is gone-zo. <uh oh> And Pete thinks he has it tough now. <grin>
Don't know if you realized it, but that Encore presentation you made from barndad Doug is the one where he coined the phrase "20 fingers" - which quickly caught on for our UTB with diarrhea of the fingers. A good selection for our Encore! Saturday - ‘n a fine piece from UTB Doug - a guy who really put things together for us all in a way that hasn't been replicated.
Many thanx for the visit, chat, ENCORE! ‘n ROUND!
Page 182 - Pete (pwolfe) at 1:44 PM ‘n 2:57 PM: Two visits in one afternoon - now that's just NOT normal from our friend the Wolfman in Central MO! But, we're most pleased that you've been able to make it in, as your company ‘round this joint is a cornerstone to what we're all about <aboot for Rob ‘n Fergie!> <grin>
Sorry that I "bumped" you back a notch with my "edit," didn't see you there until after I did it. <uh oh> Anyway, a guy's gotta do, what a guy's gotta do, eh
Next time we get together in Kirkwood we'll walk down to the ‘scene' - it isn't far from the station at all. And the tragedy of that night continues on in these parts as the area is in a state of mourning for those innocents lost.
Just love the way the Brit's revere in things like keeping up with the whereabouts of people such as Mr. Baker ‘n his connection with the Oh! Mr. Porter movie. An appreciation for what was, says a great deal to me about the worth of a society.
Oh you shouldn't have! I'm afraid <in more ways than I care to let on> that I'll have to decline such an <uhhhhhhhh> attractive offer of a date with Helga. No, no - I'm hardly worthy. Such a <uhhhhhhhh> treat should go to someone who has the <stomach> energy ‘n stamina for a lady such as she. I think Nick is the man for the job! Perhaps I should also decline answering any more of your <uhhhhhhhh> quizzes until the prize is known up front! <yikes>
That spate of eight fotos looks fine to me - kinda real life just got in the way of a couple. So what Anyway, foto ops should NEVER get in the way of being in line at the beer tent!
Evening Leon I need that big steak smothered in mushrooms and with all the other sundry fixin's,I think a big tankard of Guiness to wash it down as well please.Nice seeing some action in this place this afternoon and evening all good kaching kaching as dabossman would say
Tom-Nice to see the shots from the rendezvous again , brings back some fine fine memories.I still love the angle that you got on that shot from front street with the CN tower just peeking up above the roof of Union Station.
Never heard of weeping tiles I'm just a tad shocked I sort of figurred most houses use them.they are worth the expense to install though,espeacially if your area has alot of ground water.
If you are headed Fergies way give me a heads-up I'd love to meet up with you both Heck i'd even fly
Pete-A ton of great shots sir lots 'o' lovely teakettles 5xOddly something told me not to attempt to answer your quizz,upon hearing what the prize was I'm definatly glad I didn't with my luck I would have won.Neither of the H's need or should be squeezed into anything resembling a Bond girl outfit
Eric-Great shots of that service facility,can't get any more railroady than that ATC's never really been discussed for use around here,I'm guessing that it's a completely pirce thing as to why they haven't done it,coupled witha lot less passenger rail servcie out there. the Super Con is gone so only the Canadian thrice weekly.
Lars-A "twofer" from the manager today tis a grand day indeed !Nice to re-read a tale from the barndad Also gotta love those trolley pics from the Larsmobile thank-you sir.Should teh time and need arrise I'll switch you jobs but for now the status quo is fine
Dave-Another blast from the past,my heart can't take it that's three in a week. nice to see that you are back out and about again. And yes Go did play with those GP40 TC's then promptly sold them to Amtrak,oddly enough Atlas did a run of them in HO scale two years ago.
Good day gents, i've come out my six month period of anti-social tendencies and am now ready to resume contact with the known world. I see all is well, though most faces are new to me some are quite familar. Round of all, your choice, open bar on me. A special howdy to Tom and Lars, I see Boris has not consumed Rob or PWolf, guess the PPF keeps him at bay.
Ok, let's be realistic, I have more of a chance of being nominated as Hilary Clinton's running mate then ever gettting caught up. So permit me to get back up to speed.
Tom: Molly Throttlebottom, think I met her once before in a stuper who's details shall remain my secret. I see the travel season is upon you , sounds if in the shadow of the Empire Builder would make a interesting journey, minus the domes and other classic symbols, at least Amtrak has restored some level of food service, no more Slim Jims and Ritz Crackers Glad to hear that your basement survived the perfect storm, kinda like when I was slinging plaster on the ceiling recently, gave the misses the perfect excuse to purchase new furnishings!!!
Pwolf: I see you remain active as ever, compiling information must be a passion of yours, I didn't think it possible to enjoy European railroading, you've changed my views.
Rob, Appreciate the tid-bits and photos, who had those ugly, boxy looking F40 wannabes? I believe they were converted GP40's or such. GO Transit perhaps?
Well time to make tracks, I shall endevor to check in weekly
Catch you all later
Dave
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, time for my Filet Mignon with mushrooms and curly fries! Tui to drink, please! Oh, all drinks on me for the rest of the evening!!
Had some problems to post this message. When I clicked Reply nothing happened for a very long time. But here I am.
Tom – You mentioned your train trip this spring to Oregon. Where in Oregon are you going? Portland? Eugene? I agree, Oregon is a beautiful state! Forests and mountains!Congratulations to winning Pete’s quiz!!! A St. Valentine’s date with Helga!!!! Something for you to look forward to! Are you nervous?Thanks for the Rendezvous I photos! I guess you rode the VIA train from Brantford to Toronto. At least I remember Toronto Union Station! Rob – Thanks for the info on the changes made after that terrible accident. I must say I am surprised they haven’t installed ATC. I know, that is a lot of money, but it is also an effective safety system. That would take care of anything the engineer is missing about train speed, stop signals, etc.Thanks for the photos!I love those, many times, “homemade” pieces of work equipment. They look very much the same around the world. Lars – I think you should stay as the Manager! You are doing a great job and you also get good help from Ruth with all admin jobs! Thanks for reposting Doug’s old post with the article on Smoke Deflectors! Very interesting reading! I wonder how hot it really was in the cab inside the tunnels? A whole bunch of Traction books today (and one railroad)!! The last two books about Philadelphia look very interesting!Pete – You are right, I am glad I didn’t win the quiz! Thanks for the photos from the Cavalcade at Shildon! What year did that cavalcade take place? One thing is confusing me, the locomotive numbers you provide in the text do not match the numbers visible on the locomotives, except for #7808.
Some photos of BNSF Havelock Shops. The Burlington & Missouri River (forerunner of the CB&Q, BN and today's BNSF) got an offer from the Lancaster Land Company. 200 acres east of Lincoln, NE, was offered as a site for a maintenance and manufacturing facility. The Havelock Shop facility was constructed in 1890-93. Facilities included the Machine Shop, the Blacksmith Shop equipped with an overhead traveling crane, and the Boiler Shop. In 1910 a new brick Adminstration and Warehouse building was added. Following the BN's formation in 1970, the railroad built a Wheel facility. Here are some photos my wife took in early January this year. Her mother used to work at these facilities during WW II.
Eric
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, yeah the Larsman is baaaaack with a surprise for our trolleyMAN . . . but first a round for the guyz, especially Pete ‘n Rob who came in today! Ring it, Boris!
Enjoyed the material from all today, with Da Bossman coming through with some fine memories from the Toronto gathering. A nasty bunch of fellas, they were! <arrrgggghhhh>
Anyway, here's the ‘special' for this Encore ‘n Photo Posting Day!
Cleveland and Its Streetcars
Toledo Trolleys
Pittsburgh Streamlined Trolleys
Greater Erie Trolleys
Reading Trains & Trolleys
Johnstown Trolleys & Incline
Philadelphia Trolleys
Suburban Philadelphia Trolleys
Until the next time!
Lars
A round please CINDY.
I was not going to show the next two slides as I had ether missed-timed my visit to the beer-tent or was having a problem with my camera, but just for the record of the locomotives in the Cavalcade at Shildon.
Great Northern Railway Stirling single 4-2-2 No 1 built in 1870.
Lancashire & Yorkshire 'Pug' 0-4-0ST No 51218 built in 1891 normally at the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway.
North Eastern Railway Raven 0-8-0 LNER class Q6 introduced in 1913 BR No. 63395. From the North Yorks Moors Railway
London Brighton & South Coast Railway AIX class introduced in 1911 a rebuild of the 1872 A1 class 'Terrier' 0-6-0 32636 'Fenchurch' from the Bluebell Railway
NER Raven 0-6-0 LNER class J27 No 65894 built 1921, I believe this was the last NER locomotive in BR service. A NYMR engine now
Caledonian Railway 0-4-4T Built in 1900 a McIntosh class 2P No 55189 from the Scottish Railway Preservation Society .
Great Western Railway 4-6-0 No 7808 'Cookham Manor introduced in 1938 from Didcot Railway Centre.
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No British exhibition of steam would be complete without Sir Nigel Gresley's A3 Pacific Flying Scotsman Built 1922 BR No 60103.
These should enlarge.
Just caught your post TOM. Looks like Fergie has come up with a solution to your basement problem really hope so
Enjoyed seeing the Encore photos from Rendezvous I with Ted, Rob and you traveling from Brantford to Toronto and looking to be having a great time.
The inside of Toronto Union Station is very grand indeed it reminds me of a part of the Union Station in Kansas City. Thanks for sharing..
Well Cindy another round please.
Pete.
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Good to see Rob - Lars 'n Pete "in" today . . . keeps Cindy busy, which is good for all! <KaChing, KaChing> Thanx for the contributions guyz - they'll be properly acknowledged on Monday . . .
Spent a bit of time in chat with Fergie this afternoon - great hearing from him. Pretty much covered the spectrum of discussion points. Came away with an approach to perhaps getting to the bottom of the basement wall problem . . . worth a try, Fergie - thanx! Oh yeah, will involve some digging 'n redirection of whatever water that may accumulate in the area 'n use of weeping tiles <which I'd never heard of>. Thanx again, Mate! Also, should your travels get you to this part of the U.S. by all means know that you 'n your bride are most welcome to spend some time here. Guest room awaits! And the discussion of a possible rail trip for the two of us from Halifax to Montreal to ExpoRail <Saint Constant-Delson> 'n return surely gets me lathered up for a trip to Nova Scotia. Keep talkin' - 'n maybe it will indeed happen.
Another Saturday 'n time for my ENCORE! presentation . . . . since the Rendezvous I foto spread went over so well the other day, here's another . . .
<from Page 330 on the Original Thread; Posted on 14 May 2006>
Just a sample of what we experienced at the 1st Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Toronto! . . . . . . Day 1 - May 12th, 2006: Brantford, Ontario VIA Rail station Brantford siberianmo - Theodorebear ‘n trolleyboy! CN GP9 at work! VIA Rail arriving! Way to go, VIA Rail! Toronto bound! Arrived, Toronto! Toronto's Union Station main hall Toronto's Union Station Union Station & CN Tower A keepsake!
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HI Tom and all.
A pint of the Double Dragon please CINDY
TOM It seems that the reason why the driver and the brakeman on freight 413 passed the caution signal and the danger signal to collide with the Super Continental will always remain a mystery in the tragic Hinton accident.
The family and friends over for my wedding, visited that model shop in Kirkwood. As you say when I come over to Kirkwood it won't be the same, it is hard to believe something like that can happen in a town like Kirkwood.
Yes I managed to bring over the notes of the train trips and the steam railways I have visited since 1980.
Good to see Oh Mr Porter is to re -run at the Emporium, By an Our Place coincedence in the last Steam railway magazine, there is an good article talking to a Mr.Anthony Baker, now 88 years of age, about his railway career and who was involved working the engine in parts of the filming of Oh Mr. Porter
For getting the QUIZ right. Your fantastic prize is a St Valentine's date, at a Mentor Village restaurant of your choice, with(wait for it) HELGA who is going to dress as a Bond girl for the occasion. You can't say I don't give out great prizes.
ALLAN I WAS very interested in the link to Earnies photos not only are there the great photos of the Harton electrics and the system( I noticed the electric with ‘Newcastle United FC written in the dust on the side together with the English Electric works plate), there is great many other photos of the Northumbrian area. It was very sad to see in one of the albums what as happened to Blyth Chambois diesel shed, as a organized visit to the North East diesel depots was a part of my holiday, when I used to stay in York in the late 1970s and into the 80s. Blyth always had a some locos on shed.I also went on a rail trip on the freight only line to the Blyth Alcan import terminal and the aluminium works.
Got up early to watch the Toon versus the Villa, going well at halftime 1-0 up but different in second half with Villa leading 3-1 when I had to take the dog out for her walk.
Yes it was a James Bond Film but Tom got the film right.
NICK.Isn't it a fact that the ladies take a great deal of pleasure when us poor chaps are suffering a nasty hangover.
Yes the Double Dragon is a good drop, am I right in thinking it is brewed in Llanelli.
Butterley is the home of S&D No 53809 whereas the one on the West Somerset is 53808 in BR numbers, the WSR one is carriying her S&D number 88.For a while in the late 1970s, early 80s 53809 was running main line specials, I remember one memorable trip on the Southern leg of a Cumbrian Mountain Express from Hellifield to Carnforth right behind the tender, it was easy to think of her climbing the Mendips. I think I have a slide, I will have to look it out.
Unfortunatly I have not stayed in the town of Wexford, I guess the Rosslaire trains are DMUs now.
Yes I bet those Guitars sound great live, it was a good sound on U-Tube but Live.
I did pick up a Live at Leeds CD over here that has more tracks than the old brown covered vynal LP. Do you remember the posters that came with the LP. I will look out for the one with Tommy live as you say they were on top form at that time, they were still great after but never the same without ‘Moon the Loon' .
ROB Yes it is the learning we get at Our Place in such good company that makes it special, although I don't think I will ever fully understand the different North American signalling systems.
I am not sure what happened to that poor old class 20 with the beak, wether it was put back to his former state and is still around today.
Those F7APUs must have been good locomotives to have been trusted with those new commuter services after their servi
Cindy my sweet, here we are at another Saturday ‘n not very busy is it I'll have a mugga Joe with a "BK splash" if you please ‘n a couple of crullAHs from the bakery case. Boris has fed the crittAHs, so let him have that small jar of PPF, wudja Put aside this twenty for a round on me once business picks up. Oh yes, the change is for you!
Just to set the record straight: I really think Da Bossman needs to select someone else to be the Manager. I'm not seeing very many bright days ahead. Meaning, my visits to "Our" Place most likely are going to be rather restricted. Thanks to all who have given me such a fine "vote of confidence," but why not step up to the plate yourselves All this takes is someone with a commitment to keep the bar on the course Cap'n Tom has chosen. Not at all difficult for any of our regulAHs to handle . . .
Really have been enjoying Nick's return to the bAH. This place is so much more fun with our "wandering minstrel" on board! So the Mrs. is giving you some flack by comparisons with TV "pretty boys," huh Snoring Beats the flatulence problem anytime! Lay that one on her! <grin>
I've been to places where there's been "assortments" of two-legged crittAHs in attendance, all under the same roof for a "party." One time, a long, long time ago I should add, this creep decided that I needed a "joint," he left as a "believer" in his right to free speech ended when he got into my face! Felt good to lay him flat . . . Not being judgmental, lad, just a mattAH of fact with me. My tolerance for AH's, JO's ‘n assorted others is about as long as . . . well perhaps not that long!
As with Cap'n Tom ‘n Pete, add me to the growing list of guys who would like to make a trip to Wales if for no other reason than to spend a few nights enjoying you ‘n the bad's performances. Then, whatever follows would be the icing on the cake. Of course now that I'm "up there," perhaps my appetite is far more willing than my capacity. But for a couple of nights "over there," I'd give it a go . . . So what are the lock-ups like in your county <uh oh>
Want to extend a weekend "hello" to Pete - Eric - Rob - Allan ‘n Shane (who nevAH peeks in on weekends!) - anyway, I read through your posts. I think we all agree that this cyber watering hole is by far the best in the ethAH . . . harkening back to the "gloom ‘n doom daze" of that summer of 2006, I can't take all the credit for getting the place back up. It has to go to Cap'n Tom - after all, had he NOT taken the bait, we'd be long gone from the Forums . . . and you can take that to the bank. Without the guy who has been here day aftAH day aftAH day, who in the world could we have survived Don't get me wrong, the supporting cast has been top drawAH - but that's what we are, supporting membAHs.
Just caught Rob's visit 'n pix! All nice 'n good to see ya, mate!
Let me drop off an Encore for this Saturday- after all, that's what we're supposed to do on Saturdays!
This from barndad Doug back on 26 Jan 2006, page 231 over at the old bar:
Good evening Tom and gents! Long time no see, and sorry about that. My working hours are bordering on insane these days. Please set me up with a bottlemless draught, and here's a whole stack of coins for the coal scuttle. There is no way I have had time to read all that's been written since Sunday to make a truely inclusive post. Even when the thread seems to slow down, there is an awful lot of material that is posted here! I must admit I need to go back and read this weeks postings from everyone, but one thing stands out .... I can't help but think that Al must have twenty or more fingers! I'm going to need an hour of real concentration-time to get through all this great material! Good job to all of you, and Tom did his usually great job running the place and keepping the help in line. Getting back to the Sunday pix....Tom posted Domes, and Nick's Royal Navy Armory pix, and Ted's layout. Lars posted dome pix, and then my personal favorite ... pix with the information attached to them! Then there was Rus' Milwaukee pix ... then I ran out of time to read the thread. I'll get back to it later to acknowlege the rest of the contributors later. Glad you liked some of my old stuff Pete. We're both in catch-up mode these days, and you are right ... this is a very special thread frequented by a good crowd! Nick ... WOW! You made my prawns? I'll have 2 dozen .. please. At the risk of this being classified a "hit and run" post .. I must share the 3rd part of the smoke deflector series ... and boogie off to bed. 4am comes early ...for me. Take care gentlemen, and here it is: Smoke Deflectors by Herbert G. Monroe from Railroad Magazine Feb. 1941 The Sata Fe has long used stack extensions on its locomotives. Hinged at the rear, they must be manually raised and lowered; a disadvantage overcome in the instance of the Milwaukee design. Dusty Rhodes, assigned to Big Liz, a Mallet compound on the Oakdale-Oneida turn, about that time devised a sort of gas mask, which was later manufactured under the name of Rhodes, Guffey & Sheehan Tunnel Mask. This device, which is still in use today, consists of closely woven canvas hood, provided with goggles. The lower portion of the hood or mask is dou trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, February 9, 2008 10:35 AM Morning Captain Tom and all the ships at sea I'm glad to hear that teh basement woes were more of an inconvenience,here's hoping that it's not an expensive fix,we wouldn't want you to have to become a walmart greeter because of it <barf>probably a great plan that you had used the rubber flooring,one for the good guys As to those Go units at a quick glance the 59's and 40's are awfully similar,save for the length and that little front porch , but then don't most modern diesels look the same anyway <barf> gone is the charactor of the good old diesels. A phone implant hmm could be good could be bad so long as the numbers unlisted at least the telemarketers couldn't bother you. You would become Tom of Borg on second thought maybe you should devolve and just have a telegraph set installed,less bothers from teh rest of the world that way and you could practice your morse and teach those you deem worthy so they can keep in touch with you eric-My understanding is that only some of the proposed changes were made. Certainly the crew and time on the job regulations were made more strict and stringent. All of the aera is now CTC controlled with no dark areas but that would have been changed anyway had the accident not happened,I believe longer passing sidings were installed as well.Great shot of the GN steamer a keeper for sure A couple random shots before I head into work.A work "thing" from the Chicago surface linesCornwall locomotive #8 on the belt line. Shot's from march of 1971 ( only a bit older than me )the last year of operations on the CSR which had been strictly freight since the 1960's.Work equipment in the St Catharines yard of the NS&TenjoyRob siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 9, 2008 9:04 AM <personal foto>This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays. G'day Gents!Saturday at the Watering Hole by the Wayside ‘n time to lay back a bit - start off on a slow bell today with a mugga Joe, a few pastries ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board. <urp> That should do it! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Friday - Feb 8th: <all times Central standard>Page 181 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:13 AM: What's to add to the Kirkwood shootings other than to say it's a terrible tragedy for any town to experience. Especially tragic for Kirkwood as they've had their "share" of woeful events the past couple of years <kidnappings of children ‘n murder of a police officer> - not good. I concur, the best to come out of it is that the guy who did the killings was taken out . . . Some nifty shots on those book covers - I'm impressed with that Loco Cyclopedia ‘n the Sunset Limited. <keepers> fer sure, fer sure! Yes, it was nice speaking with you last evening. Between you ‘n the Wolfman, I'm beginning to wonder whether I should get a "phone implant" in my "port" ear. <grin> Seriously, thanx for the call - I know your plate is full enough. It' s nice to be thought of . . . We are looking forward to our rail adventure this spring - just have "this thing" about Amtrak . . . but I'm hoping for the best. Oregon should be lots of fun, always have had a good time there - a place I could have wound up in had it not been for . . . <uh oh> Many thanx for the visit, covers, chat ‘n ROUND! Page 181 - CM3 Shane (coalminer) at 9:15 AM: Don't know why our petrol prices are so far below yours - perhaps it's the state taxes. Anyway, "Collusion Corner" has ‘em at $2.78 (rounded) . . . Saw it as low as $2.75 (rounded) on my "rounds" this day . . . Always higher over in Illinois, so when you travel out this way for Rendezvous III, you may want to keep that in mind. Fill up in Missouri - will save you some "coin." Yeah, I'm "hip" to the proposed baggage fee that UAL wants to implement. Hey, nothing surprises me with those people - when Air Canada charges $5 for a pillow ‘n American Airlines has discontinued use of ‘em <even in 1st class> - and, and, and . . . <ugh>The last time I saw a GG1 in operation it had Conrail livery. Almost made me cry . . . was traveling the MetroLiner from WashDC to Newark . . . By the by, what do you know about Conrail ‘n passenger service I saw passenger cars behind that GG1 ‘n was surprised to see ‘em in Conrail colors. Just curious . . .Visit, chat, quarters ‘n round most appreciated! Page 181 - Pete (pwolfe) at 2:40 PM: A rather early visit from the Wolfman, but one that is chock full o' good stuff for the crew! As much as we've enjoyed Kirkwood, it does seem really extra-tragic to learn of such an event, eh The place where the 1st police officer was gunned down was in the parking lot behind a café where a friend of mine ‘n I have breakfast about once a month. It's across from the Kirkwood Station hobby store . . . Next time we park there I'm sure it will be ‘different' for us knowing what took place. <grim>Liked the fotos of the Irish loco ‘n DMUs . . . Thanx for the additional info on your "Sea breeze" adventure! Now I KNOW you don't throw away all of those ‘scraps' of paper that you jot things down on ‘n stuff into that "black bag" of yours! Oh yeah - that's the "Armor Train" featured in a James Bond flick called "Goldeneye (1995)." <grin> Many thanx for the visit, < I3 > Post, fotos &lsquo Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, February 9, 2008 1:45 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, glad you are still awake! I'll have a number 5 with a full set of side orders! You know, the usual including raw onions! Keith's, please!Time to sit down and go through whatever was discussed here today, sorry, yesterday. DL – You are right! No one would notice if Castro took the train from Washington to New York today. Tom – Amtrak’s Empire Builder was not even close when I took that photo. It would have been nice if it had been present though! The big problem would have been to get both trains in the same picture. Very interesting reading, the Hinton train collision. A bad disaster that probably caould have been avoided with a little bit more sophisticated equipment, which existed. Did CN make any changes after this accident? Lars – So you are staying as the Manager!?! Good news indeed! You never know what kind of damage could have happened had Molly Throttlebottom taken over your responsibilities. Interesting books! I’ll take The Locomotive Cyclopedia! Or, maybe, The Sunset Limited! CM3 – I, the photographer, was facing east when I took the picture in Havre and we were heading west with the train. The 10/6 was our crew car. The baggage car was used for spare parts and a lot of marketing stuff, including some nice souvenirs.Pete – Thanks for the answer about headlights on the Irish locomotives! I would say it is a trend all over Europe that locomotive hauled trains are being replaced by EMUs and DMUs, especially on shorter runs. 444 posts? Yeah, I’ll have to tell her! Nice photos of the Irish locomotive and DMU! Your quiz qestion? Must be a James Bond movie, but I don’t have a clue which one. Allan – I feel great and my appetite is back to normal, thank you! But the best part now is that I can eat what I really like again. Nick – You are right! The locomotives in my and Tom’s photos are F59PH, nothing else. Glad you brought it up. More info on Go Transit F59PH on this link:http://transit.toronto.on.ca/gotransit/2505.shtmlRob – Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not the Empire Builder in my picture. It is F40+F40+baggage car+sleeper+X2000 on the way to the west coast in 1993. I saw you’ve already given Nick’s the correct info on Go Transit’s F59PHs! Also in Havre! A bad (sorry about the smoke stack) photo of a great locomotive, Great Northern’s Class S-2, 4-8-4, #2584. Eric trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 8, 2008 11:26 PM Good evening Leon , I see that you saved me a nice peperoni pizza so i shall enjoy it with a couple bottles of Carlings Black label here's some extra for a round for the boys,I can hear quite a match going on in the pool room,sounds likea grudge match of sorts between the track gangs.Tom-Good to hear that you survived the dampening of your basement , hopefully it's one time deal.Good read again on the Hinton disater,seems like it wasn't all that long ago.But for the grace of God indeed.There is a good piece on it on the disasters of the centruy series that reruns on the History Network once in a while,I've caught it a couple of times. Sounds like you've got a pretty good pick of accomadations on your upcomming rail trip , here's hopping it's all it's billed to be for you guys.Lars- Ah yes , some good good book picks today,I see that you tried to sneak something in for all of us good show I'm glad that we are all in aggreement that Molly throttlebottom will not make a good manageress here.I can't imagine the love sick cyclops mopping around this place giving preasants from his shed , shudder to thinkDan-more good stuff from you today as well thank-you the flying Bricks do seem to be aptly named Pete-Not to worry my friend I'll let you know if teh Brit rail terms confuse so far i've been able to follow along,hey it's earning curve for all of us that's what makes the place work as Allan has pointed out I'm not sure that livery on the class 20 was better or not,I'm kind of left feeling that it's sort of like hanging a brand new tiffany chandelier in a haunted house certainly in the case of that beak that was added to that other loco, movie or not By the way I don't want to know what kind of "gifts" Boris is cooking up for Molly in his shed<uh oh > It was sad to see those F7APU's "shuffled off to Buffalo" ( litterally that's where they crossed the boarder ) but I'm sure they put in a few more years of service on some of the brand new at the time services then comming online in the various US cities.Go transit was used as a template for quite a few of those systems.CM3-I see that you aer a driver like myself, I don't know travelling seems better when I'm either at the controls or sitting in a rail car, I've just never enjoyed flying,it's a necesary evil once in a while but I try to avoid it. I ahdn't realized that there were wooden compnoents to E unit carbodies i guess I always assumed that they were metal,kind of proves the "ASSUME: addage.Eric-Nice shots of the empire Builder Sadly all of Go's F7's are now gone the last F's in comuter servcie are two that Montreals system retains,although I understand that they are used as reserve units now only as new F59PHi's have replaced them in theh day to day service.Allan-Well said,It is amazing how we all manage to build of and augment each others bits of knowledge,truly what makes us an Island in the forum Nick-I see that you've recovered well mostly anyway,I hope that Boris didn't hurt you when he rescued you from the chowder bowl ,he wanted to perform CPR I'm just glad that Helga stepped in when she did <uh oh > You have a keen eye those are Fp9's by my roster. I must admit that I've had a heck of a time distinguishing F units they all look the same.You are correct on your F40 / F59 assertions on the Go transit,the F40's didn't cut the mustard for them,the F59's were a bit more powerfull and had better more modern HEP units,best ditinguisher between them as they are similar in looks, is to look for the front porch the F59's have the little crew walkway in front of the nose where as the F40's are your typical flush fronted cowel locomotive. If you do make it over again let me know we'll ahve to come down and put out the welcome mat,that and maybe we can ride shotgun with you,espeacially if you come over and ride the ONR during peak mosquito season ( official bird of Ontario you know ! ) Rob nickinwestwales Member sinceApril 2005 901 posts Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, February 8, 2008 8:28 PM Well good evening my dears-welcome to the weekend-First up-apologies to all for shameful behaviour last night-fans of natural justice will be satisfied to hear that this mornings hangover was of epic proportions-sick as a fat cowboys horse,to coin a phrase -also missisnick has spent the evening pointing out various handsome chaps on the tv with remarks like " I bet HE doesn`t snore " and similar.....hmmmmmWell then Leon -had best try a bottle or two-purely for medicinal purposes you understandand I feel sure these good people will join me in a small refreshment.........n`est pas ?Right-to the business of the night:-LARS-May I join the rest of the company in noting the fine work you have done in our little refuge from reality and thanking you for it ...I am sure some here will recall that there was a time when the shutters came down round here and without your enthusiasm and commitment would have stayed down-all power to your arm my friend and I hope the future holds only the most pleasant of suprises for you--Good job done mate DL-highly enjoyable stuff on the colliery railway-have always had a fondness for obscure industrial lines-excellent-as regards the Northlander-plans are afoot,although some ongoing family health problems mean that nothing is set in stone just yet........If it`s meant to happen it will-if not .......CM3-apologies for the gas-guzzler rant-my particular `beef` is that every morning and afternoon my little daughter is forced to breathe exhaust fumes all the way to and from school (as well as dodge into gateways all the way up and down our narrow lanes ) cos of people who are just too lazy to walk their precious little darlings a quarter mile each way-dont get me started...... Good stuff (as ever) from you this fine dayROB-I understand the white stuff is kicking in big time with you guys -could be a bonus day off work there -loved the pix btw-am liking that `weathered to death` look on the zebra livery the more I see it-might be a project in there.....in nit-picking mode-those VIA units-they look more like FP9a`s to me- the number on the lead unit seems to fit that as do the multiple grills and winterisation hatches on the roof-but I`ve been wrong before more than once.....nice shot of the GO FP7a-of course ,some of them were ex-O.N.R units-presumably a `paper-shuffle`sale since they are both govt. lines....TOM-Hope today is looking better than yesterday mate-I feel for you,truly......mother nature is the harshest of mistress`s-nice pic of the GO train-especially liked the carved stonework in the top left corner-the cherub appears to be gazing worshipfully at the train-my kind of architecture !!!!!!! Nice stuff on the Empire Builder-especially topical with the Walthers production run of the train-jury is still out on the livery-the green/orange is definately the `classic train` but conversely the big sky blue has a certain eye-catching charm and was no doubt `of it`s time` ...That accident report made strangely compulsive reading-`tis a fragile thread we all hang by-one mistake by somebody else and we are with the ancestors...sobering stuffPETE-glad you are enjoying the Brains-try a jar of the double dragon,just for a comparison-not sure who built the `Swilly` engines ,but will get on the case-the Irish Narrow gauge patronised many of the independant British builders,as you know,but shouldn`t be to hard to track down..Havn`t had the pleasure of travelling behind one of the S&D 2-8-0`s yet but have some snaps of the one on the W.S.R which I suspect I have posted before-she was sitting outside the shed with a number of bits missing-also saw one (possibly the same one ) at Butterley back in `91 when we stopped off on the way home from a cancer relief show in a miners welfare hall up near Newark somewhere (have some pix of the show as well-full leathers,Rickenbacker bass and attitude-at least I still had teeth then..)--Nice pix from Wexford-a lovely friendly town-have shots of the line running through the town-one of the few street runs in the British isles-we were sitting in a cafe facing onto the quay when the odd multi-toned horn noise,which I had assumed to be traffic noise ,suddenly turned into a huge black & orange GM loco with 7 on-the Dublin-Rosslare boat train-by the time I had struggled past various prams,buggies and brollies she was gone before I could `snap` her-c`est la vie....btw-the sea cat is known in these parts as the vomit comet...moving on to music-Simon`s guitar will stun even the most rowdy of the track gang-Forget Marshall amps-he uses either a WEM Dominator or a VOX A.C 30-both hot-wired with valves the size of milk bottles-occaisionally both together-with his Fender guitars the sound is awesome-when he digs out his `59 Gibson Les Paul or his `61 Les Paul junior (both with custom pick ups)-it becomes a physical presence-between that and Steve`s 30 year old Ludwig drums and Zildjan cymbals I`m suprised I can hear anything at all -R.E-`Tommy`if you are a fan of the `orrible `oo their classic `Live at Leeds `show is available as a 2-disc set-1 disc is the show as originally released ,but with loads more tracks and the other is the whole of Tommy,live-and its a blinder-this was just after they had played at Woodstock and toured the states and the whole band are at the top of their form-highly recommended ERIC-nice pix there mate--always a sucker for anything from maple leaf territory...General nit picking question-are those GO loco`s FP40`s or FP59`s -not that it matters,but the received wisdom I have is that GO transit only bought a few `40`s and traded them up for `59`s ASAP-apparently the `59`s have more hotel power as well as general horse power-I had assumed that they were all `40`s purely `cos of the Walthers model-which,irritatingly,is a different shade of green to the Atlas Bi-Levels....go figure......(although it runs like a Swiss watch)Right-apparently we are going to spend a few days with the mother in law between sunday and wednesday,so if I dont make it in tomorrow,have a good week-be happy,lucky or better still both !!...take care folks--Leon-a bottle of the rum,bar snacks and set up the projector for a private screening of `Oh Mr Porter`-one of the true `classic train` movies-sleep well guys NickTake care chaps  Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Friday, February 8, 2008 7:53 PM Hi Tom and all,Leon, the usual round of the amber brew of Tui`s for all the crew please.Tom. It was sad to hear about the water problem in your basement train room, did you have to man the pumps` or just mop it all up? Anyway, i`m glad to read it did`nt do any damage to your layout and equipment. I totally support all the praises from the guys on all your hard work and efforts at keeping "Our place" up and running, and also for Lars`s role too, both your efforts make this a really neat and most interesting place to visit without doubt! I would just love to be with all you guys at the Rendezvous III meet, it would be great to meet you all and talk face to face instead of in print! Enjoyed all the pics of your S-Capades RR and equipment, a very interesting item on the Empire Builder with pics, that was a sad story on the Hinton collision. I agree with you totally about how lucky we are when you mentioned visiting the Vet hospitals, their but for the grace of God!Rob. Congratulations on making the 3,600 post. Thanks for all the info on Tom`s bus, it fitted in with Eric`s bus info to a "T" That`s what`s so great about this place, everyone joins in and give`s that bit of extra knowledge to all the info and pics. Enjoyed all the great pics you posted and all your write up`s.Eric. Great to hear you are recuperating well, after getting my appetite back after surgery I could have "Ate a scabbie horse and chased the jockey" [an old country saying for extreme hunger] Nice pics of the Scania bus with the info and the pic of the Whitcomb diesel electric loco and all the other pics.Dan. Many thanks for the links to the Harton and Westoe railway sites, they were really great and took me right back to my young days, used to visit some of our family who lived at Marsden and used to go and watch the electric locos` at work at Harton and Westoe. Some of the Harton one`s hauled their batteries in a goods wagon behind the loco! Enjoyed all your links to the DMU sites and your continuing story of the Silver Princess car and the link to the RE8 site and the story about your grandfather`s walking stick. Found the correct address for that Westoe electric loco site, they are in the 21st set of photo`s down the list, Pete will be interested in this too, http://erniesphotos.fotopic.net/The site has a very comprehensive collection of photo`s of the North eastern rail scene.Fergie. Good to see you back in again.Lars. Very nice writing about your service life memories, my biggest memory is of being YOUNG and FIT in those days. Enjoyed the double helping of coVAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s, and all of your very interesting writing. You "Sir" are doing a great job at the Bar, long may it continue!Pete. Thanks for that Westoe link, see that loco pic you posted was Westoe #9, hope you enjoy that link I put in Dans part of this post. Nice lot of North Tyneside pics and those Irish trip pics, all "keepers". Apparently Kevin Keagan says that he and Dennis Wise will get along OK but insists that he must have the final say on the 1st team. Only thing is WHEN are they going to WIN again?CM3. Hope you were`nt affected by those Tornadoes siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 8, 2008 4:01 PM G'day Gents!Pleased to see Lars - CM3 Shane 'n Pete during the daylite hours on this end of the work week <for many>! Comments in the morning Summary . . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Here's a Blast from the Past from the archives that fits well into today's date - Feb 8th: On this day, February 8th, in Canadian Railroading history: Hinton train collision <Initially Posted on Page 241, Feb 8th, 2006 on the Original Thread> Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. The Hinton train collision was a railway accident that occurred on February 8, 1986. Twenty-three people were killed in a collision between a Canadian National Railway freight train and a VIA Rail passenger train. It was the most lethal Canadian rail disaster since the Dugald accident of 1947. The vicinity of the accident The accident took place on a stretch of Canadian National Railway's transcontinental main line, near the town of Hinton, Alberta, west of Edmonton. Nearby towns are Jasper to the west and Edson to the east. Passenger service on the line was provided by VIA Rail Canada. Slightly over half of the 100 mile (160 kilometre) stretch of track between Jasper and Edson was double-tracked, including 11.2 miles (18 kilometres) of trackage from Hargwen siding west to Dalehurst siding. Traffic on this line was controlled with Centralized Traffic Control (CTC) Prelude to the accident On the morning of February 8, 1986, VIA Rail's No. 4 train, the Super Continental, was travelling from Jasper east to Edmonton on its transcontinental journey. It consisted of 14 units in the following order: 1. Diesel locomotive 2. Diesel locomotive 3. Baggage car 4. Coach 5. Dome car 6. Sleeping car 7. Sleeping car 8. Diesel locomotive (inoperative) 9. Steam generator car 10. Baggage car 11. Coach 12. Lounge car 13. Sleeping car 14. Steam generator car The unusual make up of the train was the result of two separate trains being joined together in Jasper. The first seven units had originated in Vancouver, and the next six units had originated in Prince Rupert. The last unit, the steam generator car, was added in Jasper on its way to Edmonton for maintenance. One hundred fifteen people were on the train; 94 passengers, 14 stewards and seven crew. Canadian National Railway's westbound train No. 413 consisted of three locomotives, followed by a high-speed spreader, 35 cylindrical hoppers loaded with grain, seven bulkhead flat cars loaded with large pipes, 45 hoppers loaded with sulphur, 20 loaded tank cars, six more grain cars, and a caboose; a total of 118 units. It was 6,124 feet (1,866 metres) long and weighed 12,804 tons. In the front locomotive were engineer John Edward (Jack) Hudson, aged 48, and brakeman Mark Edwards, aged 25. In the caboose was conductor Wayne Smith, aged 33. The freight train left Edson at 6:40 am, and took the siding at Medicine Lodge to allow two eastbound trains to pass. It departed Medicine Lodge at 8:02 am and reached Hargwen at 8:20 am, where a section of double track started. The remote dispatcher at Edmonton had set the switch so that the train was routed onto the north track. At the same time, the Super Continental stopped at Hinton. It left on time, five minutes later, at 8:25 am. At 8:29 am, the dispatcher set the switch at Dalehurst, where the section of double track ended, to allow the Super Continental to take the south track. This switch setting would have caused the freight train to see signals indicating a stop. A two-light signal 13,600 feet (4.15 kilometres) east of Dalehurst showed yellow over red (meaning slow down and prepare to stop). As the train approached this signal, it was already going full throttle at 59 miles per hour (96 kilometres per hour), faster than the 50 mile per hour limit on this stretch of track. It did not slow down after passing the signal. Further west, there was a three-light signal, 490 feet (150 metres) east of the switch at Dalehurst that showed three red lamps, indicating a stop. The freight still did not slow down, instead jumping the switch and entering the section of single track occupied by the Super Continental. Had the Super Continental been even a minute early, it would have been past the switch at this point, but unfortunately it was not. Seconds after the freight jumped the switch, at 8:40:52 am, the two trains collided, 1,270 feet (387 metres) west of the switch. As the freight train's momentum was greater than that of the passenger train, it ploughed through the first few cars of the passenger train. The aftermath After the crash, diesel fuel spilled from the locomotives and ignited, and the locomotives, the baggage car, and the day coach were engulfed in flames. The two crew members in each of the locomotives were killed. Eighteen of the 36 occupants of the day coach were killed. The death toll might have been higher except that the contents of a grain car were propelled on top of the car, helping to smother the fire somewhat. Had the sulphur cars, for instance, been at the front of the train, the death toll might have been higher. The observation dome car behind the day coach suffered serious damage, and was also hit by a freight car. One of its occupants was killed. The others were able to escape either through a broken window in the dome or through the hole left by the freight car. The two sleepers following the dome car derailed and were thrown on their sides. There were no deaths in these cars, but there were several injuries. The three passenger cars at the rear of the train did not derail, but there were some injuries. As the accident unfolded, the cars on the freight train piled up on each other, resulting in a large pile of rolling stock. The three freight locomotives and the first 76 cars of the train were either destroyed or damaged. The cause It was clear that the freight train should hav Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Friday, February 8, 2008 2:40 PM Hi Tom and all.Another pint of Brains SA please RUTH.NICK It always seems the way, when something like flooding happens, that something, that is normally out of the way safe, gets caught in it.Looking forward to the Big River Band's appearance, I will have to not stay in Pat's place too long on St Patrick's Day it generally opens at some very early hour and by evening it is nearly impossible to get in thereROB Glad you are enjoying the British train banter, sometimes I worry that I use British terms for railway stuff that may not be used over here, if I do let me know and I will try to explain it.It must have been a good sight those ten F7APUs running together but sad that they were leaving to work elsewhere.One of the Class 20s heard about your remark about their looks and has had a Makeover. See the photo at the end of the post.ERIC Thanks for the round.Glad you are enjoying the photos from the scanner; yes it as had a fair bit of work since I got it.Many thanks for the GO #560 and the X2000 at Havre MY photos.The new Irish locomotives have two small headlights when I took this Photo at Limerick Junction.At the time of that visit these DMUs had just been introduced and all the passenger trains were locomotive hauled nowadays I think most services are in the hands of the DMUS.I just happened to see your posts have reached 444 surely that deserves at night with the Brunette.DL Many thanks for the link to the DMUs, they certainly gave very good service to BR, I dare say if they had been a failure we would have lost a lot more branch lines in the 1950s and 1960s. Very interesting about the ACV units, I had not heard of the Harrow to Belmont line. It was a shame though they could not have done more about the unit's appearance, Flying Brick is about right.Yes I very much enjoyed the Harton links.I must admit I do not really know that much about the coaching stock I really wish now I had taken more notice, as the old LMS stock seem to drift away. I guess the old coaches could not be used for 100MPH running that was coming in with the electrics and with most branch lines in the hands of the DMUs, I guess there was not a lot of use for the old coaches. Come to think of it I don't think I have ever read anything about the scrapping of old carriages, I wonder if was done at the BR carriage works. I think it would make a very interesting article.If I recall right the wooden LNER buffet cars were used on the Cross-Country services I have a recollection of traveling on one but can't recall where. I think the last service to use one was the Manchester to Harwich service when it was loco hauled.LARS Great to see you in the bar.Yes I don't think Molly Throttlebottom would be a good choice as manager of the bar BORIS has a terrible crush on her and he would be forever giving her gifts from his shed.Another great selection from the Larsman Mobile. Great photos showing the large Southern Railway steam on the freight trains and the night photo of the Sunset Limited makes one wish they were boarding the train.CM3 It is one thing I noticed in England over the years is we did not get the fogs we used to get years ago. In some of the ‘pea soupers' we used to get the locomotive drivers must have great skill to see those signals just lit by oil lamps and have great route knowledge to know where to look for them in the days before the Automatic Warning System.One class of BR locomotive that seemed to have fog clinging around the boiler in foggy conditions was the Caprotti valve gear Standard class 5 4-6-0s, I have no idea why this was. TOM That was very bad news from Kirkwood last night.I have found the notes on the Sea Breeze trip. A travel company organized the trip. It started on Friday night June 23rd 1989 with a liquid supper at the Rokeby Club before joining the night Irish Mail with a loco change at Crewe from electric to diesel traction then arrival in Holyhead for the night sailing. It was the coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, February 8, 2008 9:15 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had snog this a.m., but it is clearing up a little and supposed to get into the 30s. K9 Korps enjoyed morning activities. Gas is at $3.09, Boston sportswriters have themselves in a knot over Schilling's shoulder, WV lost by one to Pitt last night, etc., etc.Pichers and catchers report in 6 days.Rob was in with comments and notes - Look at it this way, the Jays will take your mind off the Leafs - talk about an implosion! I liked the shot of the beasts in Hamilton - thanks for sharing. I remember seeing and photographing prewar SCL (nee SAL) units on Amtrak trains during the rainbow era. Nasty, dirty, but still running. Incidentally side panels on those units were sheets of plywood - had to contain costs somehow. I did some math back then and figured that those old E's each had well over a million miles on them.Eric was in with comments and a picture at Havre - eastbound or westbound enquiring minds want to know. Cr order was a bit confusing as there was a baggage car, a 10/6 and then your train. Was the 10/6 a crew car for you folks or just being deadheaded? Nick was here (I think) - Boris, did you help him? He was face down in the chowder pot again.Pete - Good stuff - ghost engine, indeed. Fog really muffles sound and there it is! OSP is keeping on keeping on! We have to, right? That godawful mess in Kirkwood was all over the news here this a.m. ‘Nuff said! Your rant about airlines is on target; you probably heard that UAL wants to charge $25 a for a second bag (no Boris, luggage, not passenger). I gave up flying (unless absolutely necessary) yrs. ago as I did so much of it for so long. Back in the day, I'd often fly from Nashville to Washington and then train from there northward - AA had a flight that got to DC in midmorning and then there was a lot to choose from for rail service. Frequently rode the Metroliner to New York (yed, Awk, if you looked friendly you could soemtimes wrangle some time in the operators compartment - I well remember meeting GG1 powered trains that way - would truly curl your hair) and then the Merchants from there to Boston; yes, Forstbite it had a full diner and parlor cars back then. Was it really that long ago?You will enjoy the Builder. BTW, the book you posted, All Aboard for Glacier is outstanding! Can't help it - I enjoy ancient baseball history.Hope you have the submarine pen (your basement) cleaned up, that the leaks have stopped, and that there was a minimum amount of damage. Your remark on carpeting was true as well.All for now - whoops wait a minute, hit the refresh button and Lars appears! Good to hear from you. Mets have snatna and the rest of their pitching is at beset, suspect - you have an awful fall-off between your 1st and 2nd starters. Gret bookcovers - the one about the Sunset is a good one. Work safe « First«10111213141516»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Dusty Rhodes, assigned to Big Liz, a Mallet compound on the Oakdale-Oneida turn, about that time devised a sort of gas mask, which was later manufactured under the name of Rhodes, Guffey & Sheehan Tunnel Mask. This device, which is still in use today, consists of closely woven canvas hood, provided with goggles. The lower portion of the hood or mask is dou
Morning Captain Tom and all the ships at sea I'm glad to hear that teh basement woes were more of an inconvenience,here's hoping that it's not an expensive fix,we wouldn't want you to have to become a walmart greeter because of it <barf>probably a great plan that you had used the rubber flooring,one for the good guys
As to those Go units at a quick glance the 59's and 40's are awfully similar,save for the length and that little front porch , but then don't most modern diesels look the same anyway <barf> gone is the charactor of the good old diesels.
A phone implant hmm could be good could be bad so long as the numbers unlisted at least the telemarketers couldn't bother you. You would become Tom of Borg on second thought maybe you should devolve and just have a telegraph set installed,less bothers from teh rest of the world that way and you could practice your morse and teach those you deem worthy so they can keep in touch with you
eric-My understanding is that only some of the proposed changes were made. Certainly the crew and time on the job regulations were made more strict and stringent. All of the aera is now CTC controlled with no dark areas but that would have been changed anyway had the accident not happened,I believe longer passing sidings were installed as well.
Great shot of the GN steamer a keeper for sure
A couple random shots before I head into work.
A work "thing" from the Chicago surface lines
Cornwall locomotive #8 on the belt line. Shot's from march of 1971 ( only a bit older than me )the last year of operations on the CSR which had been strictly freight since the 1960's.
Work equipment in the St Catharines yard of the NS&T
enjoy
Saturday at the Watering Hole by the Wayside ‘n time to lay back a bit - start off on a slow bell today with a mugga Joe, a few pastries ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board. <urp> That should do it!
Friday - Feb 8th: <all times Central standard>
Page 181 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:13 AM: What's to add to the Kirkwood shootings other than to say it's a terrible tragedy for any town to experience. Especially tragic for Kirkwood as they've had their "share" of woeful events the past couple of years <kidnappings of children ‘n murder of a police officer> - not good. I concur, the best to come out of it is that the guy who did the killings was taken out . . .
Some nifty shots on those book covers - I'm impressed with that Loco Cyclopedia ‘n the Sunset Limited. <keepers> fer sure, fer sure!
Yes, it was nice speaking with you last evening. Between you ‘n the Wolfman, I'm beginning to wonder whether I should get a "phone implant" in my "port" ear. <grin> Seriously, thanx for the call - I know your plate is full enough. It' s nice to be thought of . . .
We are looking forward to our rail adventure this spring - just have "this thing" about Amtrak . . . but I'm hoping for the best. Oregon should be lots of fun, always have had a good time there - a place I could have wound up in had it not been for . . . <uh oh>
Many thanx for the visit, covers, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 181 - CM3 Shane (coalminer) at 9:15 AM: Don't know why our petrol prices are so far below yours - perhaps it's the state taxes. Anyway, "Collusion Corner" has ‘em at $2.78 (rounded) . . . Saw it as low as $2.75 (rounded) on my "rounds" this day . . . Always higher over in Illinois, so when you travel out this way for Rendezvous III, you may want to keep that in mind. Fill up in Missouri - will save you some "coin."
Yeah, I'm "hip" to the proposed baggage fee that UAL wants to implement. Hey, nothing surprises me with those people - when Air Canada charges $5 for a pillow ‘n American Airlines has discontinued use of ‘em <even in 1st class> - and, and, and . . . <ugh>
The last time I saw a GG1 in operation it had Conrail livery. Almost made me cry . . . was traveling the MetroLiner from WashDC to Newark . . . By the by, what do you know about Conrail ‘n passenger service I saw passenger cars behind that GG1 ‘n was surprised to see ‘em in Conrail colors. Just curious . . .
Visit, chat, quarters ‘n round most appreciated!
Page 181 - Pete (pwolfe) at 2:40 PM: A rather early visit from the Wolfman, but one that is chock full o' good stuff for the crew!
As much as we've enjoyed Kirkwood, it does seem really extra-tragic to learn of such an event, eh The place where the 1st police officer was gunned down was in the parking lot behind a café where a friend of mine ‘n I have breakfast about once a month. It's across from the Kirkwood Station hobby store . . . Next time we park there I'm sure it will be ‘different' for us knowing what took place. <grim>
Liked the fotos of the Irish loco ‘n DMUs . . .
Thanx for the additional info on your "Sea breeze" adventure! Now I KNOW you don't throw away all of those ‘scraps' of paper that you jot things down on ‘n stuff into that "black bag" of yours!
Oh yeah - that's the "Armor Train" featured in a James Bond flick called "Goldeneye (1995)." <grin>
Many thanx for the visit, < I3 > Post, fotos &lsquo
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, glad you are still awake! I'll have a number 5 with a full set of side orders! You know, the usual including raw onions! Keith's, please!
Time to sit down and go through whatever was discussed here today, sorry, yesterday.
DL – You are right! No one would notice if Castro took the train from Washington to New York today. Tom – Amtrak’s Empire Builder was not even close when I took that photo. It would have been nice if it had been present though! The big problem would have been to get both trains in the same picture. Very interesting reading, the Hinton train collision. A bad disaster that probably caould have been avoided with a little bit more sophisticated equipment, which existed. Did CN make any changes after this accident? Lars – So you are staying as the Manager!?! Good news indeed! You never know what kind of damage could have happened had Molly Throttlebottom taken over your responsibilities. Interesting books! I’ll take The Locomotive Cyclopedia! Or, maybe, The Sunset Limited! CM3 – I, the photographer, was facing east when I took the picture in Havre and we were heading west with the train. The 10/6 was our crew car. The baggage car was used for spare parts and a lot of marketing stuff, including some nice souvenirs.Pete – Thanks for the answer about headlights on the Irish locomotives! I would say it is a trend all over Europe that locomotive hauled trains are being replaced by EMUs and DMUs, especially on shorter runs. 444 posts? Yeah, I’ll have to tell her! Nice photos of the Irish locomotive and DMU! Your quiz qestion? Must be a James Bond movie, but I don’t have a clue which one. Allan – I feel great and my appetite is back to normal, thank you! But the best part now is that I can eat what I really like again. Nick – You are right! The locomotives in my and Tom’s photos are F59PH, nothing else. Glad you brought it up. More info on Go Transit F59PH on this link:http://transit.toronto.on.ca/gotransit/2505.shtmlRob – Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not the Empire Builder in my picture. It is F40+F40+baggage car+sleeper+X2000 on the way to the west coast in 1993. I saw you’ve already given Nick’s the correct info on Go Transit’s F59PHs!
Also in Havre! A bad (sorry about the smoke stack) photo of a great locomotive, Great Northern’s Class S-2, 4-8-4, #2584.
Good evening Leon , I see that you saved me a nice peperoni pizza so i shall enjoy it with a couple bottles of Carlings Black label here's some extra for a round for the boys,I can hear quite a match going on in the pool room,sounds likea grudge match of sorts between the track gangs.
Tom-Good to hear that you survived the dampening of your basement , hopefully it's one time deal.Good read again on the Hinton disater,seems like it wasn't all that long ago.But for the grace of God indeed.There is a good piece on it on the disasters of the centruy series that reruns on the History Network once in a while,I've caught it a couple of times.
Sounds like you've got a pretty good pick of accomadations on your upcomming rail trip , here's hopping it's all it's billed to be for you guys.
Lars- Ah yes , some good good book picks today,I see that you tried to sneak something in for all of us good show I'm glad that we are all in aggreement that Molly throttlebottom will not make a good manageress here.I can't imagine the love sick cyclops mopping around this place giving preasants from his shed , shudder to think
Dan-more good stuff from you today as well thank-you the flying Bricks do seem to be aptly named
Pete-Not to worry my friend I'll let you know if teh Brit rail terms confuse so far i've been able to follow along,hey it's earning curve for all of us that's what makes the place work as Allan has pointed out I'm not sure that livery on the class 20 was better or not,I'm kind of left feeling that it's sort of like hanging a brand new tiffany chandelier in a haunted house certainly in the case of that beak that was added to that other loco, movie or not
By the way I don't want to know what kind of "gifts" Boris is cooking up for Molly in his shed<uh oh >
It was sad to see those F7APU's "shuffled off to Buffalo" ( litterally that's where they crossed the boarder ) but I'm sure they put in a few more years of service on some of the brand new at the time services then comming online in the various US cities.Go transit was used as a template for quite a few of those systems.
CM3-I see that you aer a driver like myself, I don't know travelling seems better when I'm either at the controls or sitting in a rail car, I've just never enjoyed flying,it's a necesary evil once in a while but I try to avoid it. I ahdn't realized that there were wooden compnoents to E unit carbodies i guess I always assumed that they were metal,kind of proves the "ASSUME: addage.
Eric-Nice shots of the empire Builder Sadly all of Go's F7's are now gone the last F's in comuter servcie are two that Montreals system retains,although I understand that they are used as reserve units now only as new F59PHi's have replaced them in theh day to day service.
Allan-Well said,It is amazing how we all manage to build of and augment each others bits of knowledge,truly what makes us an Island in the forum
Nick-I see that you've recovered well mostly anyway,I hope that Boris didn't hurt you when he rescued you from the chowder bowl ,he wanted to perform CPR I'm just glad that Helga stepped in when she did <uh oh >
You have a keen eye those are Fp9's by my roster. I must admit that I've had a heck of a time distinguishing F units they all look the same.You are correct on your F40 / F59 assertions on the Go transit,the F40's didn't cut the mustard for them,the F59's were a bit more powerfull and had better more modern HEP units,best ditinguisher between them as they are similar in looks, is to look for the front porch the F59's have the little crew walkway in front of the nose where as the F40's are your typical flush fronted cowel locomotive.
If you do make it over again let me know we'll ahve to come down and put out the welcome mat,that and maybe we can ride shotgun with you,espeacially if you come over and ride the ONR during peak mosquito season ( official bird of Ontario you know ! )
Well good evening my dears-welcome to the weekend-First up-apologies to all for shameful behaviour last night-fans of natural justice will be satisfied to hear that this mornings hangover was of epic proportions-sick as a fat cowboys horse,to coin a phrase -also missisnick has spent the evening pointing out various handsome chaps on the tv with remarks like " I bet HE doesn`t snore " and similar.....hmmmmm
Well then Leon -had best try a bottle or two-purely for medicinal purposes you understandand I feel sure these good people will join me in a small refreshment.........n`est pas ?
Right-to the business of the night:-
LARS-May I join the rest of the company in noting the fine work you have done in our little refuge from reality and thanking you for it ...I am sure some here will recall that there was a time when the shutters came down round here and without your enthusiasm and commitment would have stayed down-all power to your arm my friend and I hope the future holds only the most pleasant of suprises for you--Good job done mate
DL-highly enjoyable stuff on the colliery railway-have always had a fondness for obscure industrial lines-excellent-as regards the Northlander-plans are afoot,although some ongoing family health problems mean that nothing is set in stone just yet........If it`s meant to happen it will-if not .......
CM3-apologies for the gas-guzzler rant-my particular `beef` is that every morning and afternoon my little daughter is forced to breathe exhaust fumes all the way to and from school (as well as dodge into gateways all the way up and down our narrow lanes ) cos of people who are just too lazy to walk their precious little darlings a quarter mile each way-dont get me started...... Good stuff (as ever) from you this fine day
ROB-I understand the white stuff is kicking in big time with you guys -could be a bonus day off work there -loved the pix btw-am liking that `weathered to death` look on the zebra livery the more I see it-might be a project in there.....in nit-picking mode-those VIA units-they look more like FP9a`s to me- the number on the lead unit seems to fit that as do the multiple grills and winterisation hatches on the roof-but I`ve been wrong before more than once.....nice shot of the GO FP7a-of course ,some of them were ex-O.N.R units-presumably a `paper-shuffle`sale since they are both govt. lines....
TOM-Hope today is looking better than yesterday mate-I feel for you,truly......mother nature is the harshest of mistress`s-nice pic of the GO train-especially liked the carved stonework in the top left corner-the cherub appears to be gazing worshipfully at the train-my kind of architecture !!!!!!! Nice stuff on the Empire Builder-especially topical with the Walthers production run of the train-jury is still out on the livery-the green/orange is definately the `classic train` but conversely the big sky blue has a certain eye-catching charm and was no doubt `of it`s time` ...That accident report made strangely compulsive reading-`tis a fragile thread we all hang by-one mistake by somebody else and we are with the ancestors...sobering stuff
PETE-glad you are enjoying the Brains-try a jar of the double dragon,just for a comparison-not sure who built the `Swilly` engines ,but will get on the case-the Irish Narrow gauge patronised many of the independant British builders,as you know,but shouldn`t be to hard to track down..Havn`t had the pleasure of travelling behind one of the S&D 2-8-0`s yet but have some snaps of the one on the W.S.R which I suspect I have posted before-she was sitting outside the shed with a number of bits missing-also saw one (possibly the same one ) at Butterley back in `91 when we stopped off on the way home from a cancer relief show in a miners welfare hall up near Newark somewhere (have some pix of the show as well-full leathers,Rickenbacker bass and attitude-at least I still had teeth then..)--Nice pix from Wexford-a lovely friendly town-have shots of the line running through the town-one of the few street runs in the British isles-we were sitting in a cafe facing onto the quay when the odd multi-toned horn noise,which I had assumed to be traffic noise ,suddenly turned into a huge black & orange GM loco with 7 on-the Dublin-Rosslare boat train-by the time I had struggled past various prams,buggies and brollies she was gone before I could `snap` her-c`est la vie....btw-the sea cat is known in these parts as the vomit comet...moving on to music-Simon`s guitar will stun even the most rowdy of the track gang-Forget Marshall amps-he uses either a WEM Dominator or a VOX A.C 30-both hot-wired with valves the size of milk bottles-occaisionally both together-with his Fender guitars the sound is awesome-when he digs out his `59 Gibson Les Paul or his `61 Les Paul junior (both with custom pick ups)-it becomes a physical presence-between that and Steve`s 30 year old Ludwig drums and Zildjan cymbals I`m suprised I can hear anything at all -R.E-`Tommy`if you are a fan of the `orrible `oo their classic `Live at Leeds `show is available as a 2-disc set-1 disc is the show as originally released ,but with loads more tracks and the other is the whole of Tommy,live-and its a blinder-this was just after they had played at Woodstock and toured the states and the whole band are at the top of their form-highly recommended
ERIC-nice pix there mate--always a sucker for anything from maple leaf territory...
General nit picking question-are those GO loco`s FP40`s or FP59`s -not that it matters,but the received wisdom I have is that GO transit only bought a few `40`s and traded them up for `59`s ASAP-apparently the `59`s have more hotel power as well as general horse power-I had assumed that they were all `40`s purely `cos of the Walthers model-which,irritatingly,is a different shade of green to the Atlas Bi-Levels....go figure......(although it runs like a Swiss watch)
Right-apparently we are going to spend a few days with the mother in law between sunday and wednesday,so if I dont make it in tomorrow,have a good week-be happy,lucky or better still both !!...take care folks--Leon-a bottle of the rum,bar snacks and set up the projector for a private screening of `Oh Mr Porter`-one of the true `classic train` movies-sleep well guys
Nick
Take care chaps 
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of the amber brew of Tui`s for all the crew please.
Tom. It was sad to hear about the water problem in your basement train room, did you have to man the pumps` or just mop it all up? Anyway, i`m glad to read it did`nt do any damage to your layout and equipment. I totally support all the praises from the guys on all your hard work and efforts at keeping "Our place" up and running, and also for Lars`s role too, both your efforts make this a really neat and most interesting place to visit without doubt! I would just love to be with all you guys at the Rendezvous III meet, it would be great to meet you all and talk face to face instead of in print! Enjoyed all the pics of your S-Capades RR and equipment, a very interesting item on the Empire Builder with pics, that was a sad story on the Hinton collision. I agree with you totally about how lucky we are when you mentioned visiting the Vet hospitals, their but for the grace of God!
Rob. Congratulations on making the 3,600 post. Thanks for all the info on Tom`s bus, it fitted in with Eric`s bus info to a "T" That`s what`s so great about this place, everyone joins in and give`s that bit of extra knowledge to all the info and pics. Enjoyed all the great pics you posted and all your write up`s.
Eric. Great to hear you are recuperating well, after getting my appetite back after surgery I could have "Ate a scabbie horse and chased the jockey" [an old country saying for extreme hunger] Nice pics of the Scania bus with the info and the pic of the Whitcomb diesel electric loco and all the other pics.
Dan. Many thanks for the links to the Harton and Westoe railway sites, they were really great and took me right back to my young days, used to visit some of our family who lived at Marsden and used to go and watch the electric locos` at work at Harton and Westoe. Some of the Harton one`s hauled their batteries in a goods wagon behind the loco! Enjoyed all your links to the DMU sites and your continuing story of the Silver Princess car and the link to the RE8 site and the story about your grandfather`s walking stick. Found the correct address for that Westoe electric loco site, they are in the 21st set of photo`s down the list, Pete will be interested in this too,
http://erniesphotos.fotopic.net/
The site has a very comprehensive collection of photo`s of the North eastern rail scene.
Fergie. Good to see you back in again.
Lars. Very nice writing about your service life memories, my biggest memory is of being YOUNG and FIT in those days. Enjoyed the double helping of coVAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s, and all of your very interesting writing. You "Sir" are doing a great job at the Bar, long may it continue!
Pete. Thanks for that Westoe link, see that loco pic you posted was Westoe #9, hope you enjoy that link I put in Dans part of this post. Nice lot of North Tyneside pics and those Irish trip pics, all "keepers". Apparently Kevin Keagan says that he and Dennis Wise will get along OK but insists that he must have the final say on the 1st team. Only thing is WHEN are they going to WIN again?
CM3. Hope you were`nt affected by those Tornadoes
Pleased to see Lars - CM3 Shane 'n Pete during the daylite hours on this end of the work week <for many>! Comments in the morning Summary . . . .
On this day, February 8th, in Canadian Railroading history: Hinton train collision
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The Hinton train collision was a railway accident that occurred on February 8, 1986. Twenty-three people were killed in a collision between a Canadian National Railway freight train and a VIA Rail passenger train. It was the most lethal Canadian rail disaster since the Dugald accident of 1947. The vicinity of the accident The accident took place on a stretch of Canadian National Railway's transcontinental main line, near the town of Hinton, Alberta, west of Edmonton. Nearby towns are Jasper to the west and Edson to the east. Passenger service on the line was provided by VIA Rail Canada. Slightly over half of the 100 mile (160 kilometre) stretch of track between Jasper and Edson was double-tracked, including 11.2 miles (18 kilometres) of trackage from Hargwen siding west to Dalehurst siding. Traffic on this line was controlled with Centralized Traffic Control (CTC) Prelude to the accident On the morning of February 8, 1986, VIA Rail's No. 4 train, the Super Continental, was travelling from Jasper east to Edmonton on its transcontinental journey. It consisted of 14 units in the following order: 1. Diesel locomotive 2. Diesel locomotive 3. Baggage car 4. Coach 5. Dome car 6. Sleeping car 7. Sleeping car 8. Diesel locomotive (inoperative) 9. Steam generator car 10. Baggage car 11. Coach 12. Lounge car 13. Sleeping car 14. Steam generator car The unusual make up of the train was the result of two separate trains being joined together in Jasper. The first seven units had originated in Vancouver, and the next six units had originated in Prince Rupert. The last unit, the steam generator car, was added in Jasper on its way to Edmonton for maintenance. One hundred fifteen people were on the train; 94 passengers, 14 stewards and seven crew. Canadian National Railway's westbound train No. 413 consisted of three locomotives, followed by a high-speed spreader, 35 cylindrical hoppers loaded with grain, seven bulkhead flat cars loaded with large pipes, 45 hoppers loaded with sulphur, 20 loaded tank cars, six more grain cars, and a caboose; a total of 118 units. It was 6,124 feet (1,866 metres) long and weighed 12,804 tons. In the front locomotive were engineer John Edward (Jack) Hudson, aged 48, and brakeman Mark Edwards, aged 25. In the caboose was conductor Wayne Smith, aged 33. The freight train left Edson at 6:40 am, and took the siding at Medicine Lodge to allow two eastbound trains to pass. It departed Medicine Lodge at 8:02 am and reached Hargwen at 8:20 am, where a section of double track started. The remote dispatcher at Edmonton had set the switch so that the train was routed onto the north track. At the same time, the Super Continental stopped at Hinton. It left on time, five minutes later, at 8:25 am. At 8:29 am, the dispatcher set the switch at Dalehurst, where the section of double track ended, to allow the Super Continental to take the south track. This switch setting would have caused the freight train to see signals indicating a stop. A two-light signal 13,600 feet (4.15 kilometres) east of Dalehurst showed yellow over red (meaning slow down and prepare to stop). As the train approached this signal, it was already going full throttle at 59 miles per hour (96 kilometres per hour), faster than the 50 mile per hour limit on this stretch of track. It did not slow down after passing the signal. Further west, there was a three-light signal, 490 feet (150 metres) east of the switch at Dalehurst that showed three red lamps, indicating a stop. The freight still did not slow down, instead jumping the switch and entering the section of single track occupied by the Super Continental. Had the Super Continental been even a minute early, it would have been past the switch at this point, but unfortunately it was not. Seconds after the freight jumped the switch, at 8:40:52 am, the two trains collided, 1,270 feet (387 metres) west of the switch. As the freight train's momentum was greater than that of the passenger train, it ploughed through the first few cars of the passenger train. The aftermath After the crash, diesel fuel spilled from the locomotives and ignited, and the locomotives, the baggage car, and the day coach were engulfed in flames. The two crew members in each of the locomotives were killed. Eighteen of the 36 occupants of the day coach were killed. The death toll might have been higher except that the contents of a grain car were propelled on top of the car, helping to smother the fire somewhat. Had the sulphur cars, for instance, been at the front of the train, the death toll might have been higher. The observation dome car behind the day coach suffered serious damage, and was also hit by a freight car. One of its occupants was killed. The others were able to escape either through a broken window in the dome or through the hole left by the freight car. The two sleepers following the dome car derailed and were thrown on their sides. There were no deaths in these cars, but there were several injuries. The three passenger cars at the rear of the train did not derail, but there were some injuries. As the accident unfolded, the cars on the freight train piled up on each other, resulting in a large pile of rolling stock. The three freight locomotives and the first 76 cars of the train were either destroyed or damaged. The cause It was clear that the freight train should hav
Another pint of Brains SA please RUTH.
NICK It always seems the way, when something like flooding happens, that something, that is normally out of the way safe, gets caught in it.
Looking forward to the Big River Band's appearance, I will have to not stay in Pat's place too long on St Patrick's Day it generally opens at some very early hour and by evening it is nearly impossible to get in there
ROB Glad you are enjoying the British train banter, sometimes I worry that I use British terms for railway stuff that may not be used over here, if I do let me know and I will try to explain it.
It must have been a good sight those ten F7APUs running together but sad that they were leaving to work elsewhere.
One of the Class 20s heard about your remark about their looks and has had a Makeover. See the photo at the end of the post.
ERIC Thanks for the round.
Glad you are enjoying the photos from the scanner; yes it as had a fair bit of work since I got it.
Many thanks for the GO #560 and the X2000 at Havre MY photos.
The new Irish locomotives have two small headlights when I took this Photo at Limerick Junction.
At the time of that visit these DMUs had just been introduced and all the passenger trains were locomotive hauled nowadays I think most services are in the hands of the DMUS.
I just happened to see your posts have reached 444 surely that deserves at night with the Brunette.
DL Many thanks for the link to the DMUs, they certainly gave very good service to BR, I dare say if they had been a failure we would have lost a lot more branch lines in the 1950s and 1960s. Very interesting about the ACV units, I had not heard of the Harrow to Belmont line. It was a shame though they could not have done more about the unit's appearance, Flying Brick is about right.
Yes I very much enjoyed the Harton links.
I must admit I do not really know that much about the coaching stock I really wish now I had taken more notice, as the old LMS stock seem to drift away. I guess the old coaches could not be used for 100MPH running that was coming in with the electrics and with most branch lines in the hands of the DMUs, I guess there was not a lot of use for the old coaches. Come to think of it I don't think I have ever read anything about the scrapping of old carriages, I wonder if was done at the BR carriage works. I think it would make a very interesting article.
If I recall right the wooden LNER buffet cars were used on the Cross-Country services I have a recollection of traveling on one but can't recall where. I think the last service to use one was the Manchester to Harwich service when it was loco hauled.
LARS Great to see you in the bar.
Yes I don't think Molly Throttlebottom would be a good choice as manager of the bar BORIS has a terrible crush on her and he would be forever giving her gifts from his shed.
Another great selection from the Larsman Mobile. Great photos showing the large Southern Railway steam on the freight trains and the night photo of the Sunset Limited makes one wish they were boarding the train.
CM3 It is one thing I noticed in England over the years is we did not get the fogs we used to get years ago. In some of the ‘pea soupers' we used to get the locomotive drivers must have great skill to see those signals just lit by oil lamps and have great route knowledge to know where to look for them in the days before the Automatic Warning System.
One class of BR locomotive that seemed to have fog clinging around the boiler in foggy conditions was the Caprotti valve gear Standard class 5 4-6-0s, I have no idea why this was.
TOM That was very bad news from Kirkwood last night.
I have found the notes on the Sea Breeze trip. A travel company organized the trip. It started on Friday night June 23rd 1989 with a liquid supper at the Rokeby Club before joining the night Irish Mail with a loco change at Crewe from electric to diesel traction then arrival in Holyhead for the night sailing. It was the
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had snog this a.m., but it is clearing up a little and supposed to get into the 30s. K9 Korps enjoyed morning activities. Gas is at $3.09, Boston sportswriters have themselves in a knot over Schilling's shoulder, WV lost by one to Pitt last night, etc., etc.
Pichers and catchers report in 6 days.
Rob was in with comments and notes - Look at it this way, the Jays will take your mind off the Leafs - talk about an implosion! I liked the shot of the beasts in Hamilton - thanks for sharing. I remember seeing and photographing prewar SCL (nee SAL) units on Amtrak trains during the rainbow era. Nasty, dirty, but still running. Incidentally side panels on those units were sheets of plywood - had to contain costs somehow. I did some math back then and figured that those old E's each had well over a million miles on them.
Eric was in with comments and a picture at Havre - eastbound or westbound enquiring minds want to know. Cr order was a bit confusing as there was a baggage car, a 10/6 and then your train. Was the 10/6 a crew car for you folks or just being deadheaded?
Nick was here (I think) - Boris, did you help him? He was face down in the chowder pot again.
Pete - Good stuff - ghost engine, indeed. Fog really muffles sound and there it is!
OSP is keeping on keeping on! We have to, right? That godawful mess in Kirkwood was all over the news here this a.m. ‘Nuff said!
Your rant about airlines is on target; you probably heard that UAL wants to charge $25 a for a second bag (no Boris, luggage, not passenger). I gave up flying (unless absolutely necessary) yrs. ago as I did so much of it for so long. Back in the day, I'd often fly from Nashville to Washington and then train from there northward - AA had a flight that got to DC in midmorning and then there was a lot to choose from for rail service. Frequently rode the Metroliner to New York (yed, Awk, if you looked friendly you could soemtimes wrangle some time in the operators compartment - I well remember meeting GG1 powered trains that way - would truly curl your hair) and then the Merchants from there to Boston; yes, Forstbite it had a full diner and parlor cars back then. Was it really that long ago?
You will enjoy the Builder. BTW, the book you posted, All Aboard for Glacier is outstanding!
Can't help it - I enjoy ancient baseball history.
Hope you have the submarine pen (your basement) cleaned up, that the leaks have stopped, and that there was a minimum amount of damage. Your remark on carpeting was true as well.
All for now - whoops wait a minute, hit the refresh button and Lars appears! Good to hear from you. Mets have snatna and the rest of their pitching is at beset, suspect - you have an awful fall-off between your 1st and 2nd starters. Gret bookcovers - the one about the Sunset is a good one.
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