Hi Tom and all
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ALLAN It really is sad to think of those once great shipyards especially those on the Clyde and the Tyne that are no more.
I wonder if the Parson's turbine manufacturers are still in business I bet at one time there was a Parson's Turbine in Power Stations all over the world.
Glad you are enjoying the photos. On that day with Taw Valley we were starting to worry a bit if we would be able to get home, I think if we had gone much father north we would have been in trouble.
NICK Helga is over the moon with her new date I think Tom owes you big.
Enjoyed reading about your time at Guildford station, one that seemed to have a ‘funny' atmosphere the very few times I have been there, no idea why though. Glad you met a friendly train driver it is good to know they are still about.
Looking through my photo album I never once had anyone say anything about taking photos from the stations, it seems all that as changed nowadays sadly. I will look forward to your photos..
I have not found the photo of 53809the 2-8-0 Midland railway design for the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway on the main line, but some on the Midland Railway Centre. The loco is wearing its LMS number of 13809
The first two photos are a Hammersmith at the west end of the preserved line.
This next photo is at Swanwick Junction the site of the museum and engine sheds on the MRC.
They should enlarge
ROB Many thanks for the info on 8786 owned by Larry's. So the loco is 50 years old now it looked like it I really liked the head light with the locos number on it.
Glad you enjoyed the photo of 34027 in the snow. Yes the Brunswick Arms in Derby is a great real ale pub in an old railway institute building with small rooms. A short walk from Derby station. It was great watching steam drifting from the engine while enjoying good ale.
Good luck with HILDA tonight
ERIC Thanks for the link to the Jubilee line, I see the cars were built at the same factory as the 156 units in my recent photo, the ex Metro-Cammell factory in Birmingham now sadly closed. I will have to travel on the line when I am over there if I can, as the overground part of the line sounds interesting.
I am finding it fascinating about these interurban sleeping cars many thanks for finding out the info on them, I wonder if any got preserved.
I bet it was a good experience during the trials with the Rc1 and the rapid acceleration. Thanks for the photo.
MIKE Many thanks for that great link to the Oregon Electric with a photo of their sleeping car #1010 and the Champoeg car is very elegant.
I wonder what that machine is in the first link showing Amtrak #4.Great ‘heart' railway ads for today.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photos.
Many thanks for the info on Mikes links, did you notice what looks like a portable steam engine in the link with Amtrak #4.
LARS You will be very much missed at the bar, I know I shall miss the posts, with the comments always worth reading and the great ideas like the Larsman Mobile and the wonderful kn
G'day Gents!
To say that a "star" has diminished in intensity here in cyber space would be an understatement. The withdrawal of Lars as an active participant in the daily shenanigans at "Our" Place is a loss that perhaps will never fully be recouped for however many months we have remaining . . . CHEERS to the Larsman! <clink> Five- to you, Mate! We wish you 'n your Mrs. fair winds 'n following seas . . .
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Here's a rare mid-week ENCORE! presentation - this one initially Posted by Lars, the man called LoveDomes, on Page 90, Aug 2nd, 2007 . . . .
Dome carFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Former California Zephyr dome car in excursion train service with the Inland Lakes Railway -- Plymouth, Florida.A dome car is a type of railway passenger car that can include features of a lounge car, dining car and an observation. Its primary feature is a glass dome on the top of the car where passengers can ride and see in all directions around the train. Seats in the dome were considered "non-revenue" like lounge car seats. When dome cars operate today in excursion trains, the dome seats often command a premium fare.ConfigurationA plan view diagram of the Challenger dome car, built in 1958 by Pullman-Standard as Union Pacific Dome Coach #7015, the last such car built.A portion of the car, usually in the center of the car, is split between two levels, with stairs leading both up and down from the train's regular passenger car floor level. The lower level of the dome usually contained the car's restrooms or a small lounge area, while the upper portion was usually coach or lounge seating within a "bubble" of glass on the car's roof. Passengers in the upper portion of the dome were able to see in all directions from a vantage point above the train's roofline.On some dome cars, the lower portion was outfitted with a galley, where car attendants used dumbwaiters to transfer items between the galley and a dining area in the dome portion of the car.HistoryThe upper level interior of a dome car that has been configured as a dining area, on display at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin.Although the design of a dome car can be likened to a cupola caboose, the dome car's development is not directly related. The earliest documented predecessor of the dome car was first developed in the 1880s; known at the time as the "birdcage car", it was used on an 1882 sightseeing tour on the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad. In 1891, T. J. McBride received a patent for a car design called an "observation-sleeper"; illustrations of the design in Scientific American at the time showed a car with three observation domes. Canadian Pacific Railway used "tourist cars" with raised, glass-sided viewing cupolas on their trains through the Canadian Rocky Mountains in the 1920s.These dome car designs did not prove successful, and further refinements to the idea didn't come for a few decades. The first successful dome cars were conceived by Cyrus Osborn of General Motors Electro-Motive Division (EMD). In 1944, while traveling in an EMD-built Rio Grande locomotive through Glenwood Canyon in Colorado, Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:58 PM Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had about one inch of "passing clouds" last night - love it when the Weather Channel gets poetic - which made for some interesting driving. It's all gone now and the temperature has rebounded into the 40s - it was between +12 and +15 this a.m.Let's see what's on the table today. Contest enry - March 8 - RobNick was by with an interesting description of his "day out." I always take reading material with me for times between rail activity.Allan stopped in with comments.Eric - I appreciated your comment about training demos - we did similar things with Detcord. Now there's another story for the Rendezvous.Pete was by with information. I enjoyed the picture of the 156 DMUDave - Good afternoon, sir.Mike - There he is! Ol' Sandow himself! A good combination of speed and some power for the dead ball era - somebody like that would earn a pretty fair chunk of change today. Would be an ideal #2 hitter.There were some good B&A shots (then and now) in the links that you forwarded. The B&A a1 shows a Berkshire in its native habitat. The track layout at Palmer was a little more complicated back then.The 1950s pictures were a time machine back to my formative days of following the railroad. The RS3 with the air tank on the top of the hood - my, my!Check out the picture of CV4551 - let's see we have two CV color schemes. Look closer - every piece of power and rolling stock in the photo is a fallen flag. The CV cabs are the last type they had - Canadian design, for certain.Last - a nice selection of advertising. Lars - Take it easy, friend.OSPs postings should be called "Notes From the Underground," But I believe that the title is already taken. Interesting reading about the tunnels and their impact on equipment - somewhat similar to Boston - as different lines have somewhat different sized equipment. Man, you could spend a ton of cash riding that system if you didn't know how the fare system worked. I appreciated the comment about the Orient Express - however, I'll bet the Orient has a better diner (lol). Also enjoyed the construction pictures for your S scale system. It's always interesting to see how folks put layouts together; 4.0 job on the structures, too.Well, I better get out of here. Lateness of this post reminds me of the old guy who went to the Post Office to pick up his mail. Postmaster told him, "The train was late so yesterday's mail wasn't delivered until today, and today's mail will be delivered tomorrow - maybe."Work safe LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:46 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!Ruth my deAH, a Happy Valentines Day to all with sweethearts ‘n wives. A toast: May they nevAH meet! CHEERS! So, you radiant beauty, let's get on with where we left off, shall we <blush> Of course I'm talking about a Larsman hero sandwich of ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two extra large ‘n crunchy pickles from the barrel. Treats for the crittAHs ‘n when you're done feedin' ‘em Boris, take that LARGE jar of PPF back to your shed ‘n "go for it"!! A round on the Manager ‘n of course keep the change! A bit too much material for me to make any meaningful comment on since my last visit. Let me just offer that many thanks go out to the "core - plus one" of this fine establishment for keeping on keeping on - that's Pete - Rob - Eric - Shane ‘n Allan with honorable mention to the periphery guys, who know who they are. Did pick up on the "Contest" so let me submit my guesstimate: March 21st for Cap'n Tom . . . Sorry Fergie, you gotta READ all the woIds in ordAH to play the game! Of course couldn't help but notice some fine material from Cap'n Tom (surprise of suprises!) That was some effort with the London subway series, along with so many, many othAHs! Also another fine S-Capades post! And can't forget the drumheads - it goes on ‘n on! Still irks me a lot to notice the ignorance-factAH still alive ‘n well at the bar when some just refuse to make mention of your efforts. Just took a 3rd swing through the posts 'n see all kinds of great "stuff" on VW's - Volvos - other cars - just the talk that keeps this place atop the heap in my NOT-SO-HUMBLE-Oh-Pin-Yun! I'm going to drop off another round of book covAHs from the Larsman Mobile, then get going with the mattAHs that require my attention. Sarge The Mrs. is barking ordAHs as I type . . . <groan> Union Pacific and Omaha Union StationTwin Cities by TrolleyLima - The HistorySouthern Railway, Vol 2Southern Pacific Historic DieselsSoo Line - From Michigan to Montana ============================================= And now for the "other shoe" - this is my final post at the bar, at least for the foreseeable futAH. As explained to Cap'n Tom over the phone ‘n by email (which probably has been forwarded to the "core group"), circumstances have ganged up on me ‘n I'm simply no longAH able to devote the time it takes for full participation ‘round here.Best to the gang at "Our" Place, MOST ESPECIALLY to all who have stuck it out thru thick ‘n thin over the two-plus years since I first walked through those doors. Many have come ‘n gone, but guys like Pete, Eric ‘n Shane have nevAH given up on the place - not evAH. They've NEVAH been rude, ignorant or lacking in the social graces to ACKNOWLEDGE the works of othAHs - especially the efforts of our leader, Cap'n Tom! A GOLD 5- to youse guyz! siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:59 AM G'day Gents!Finally caught up with the Posts from last nite ‘n early this AM . . . so, where were we Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Wednesday - Feb 13th: <all times Central standard>Page 184 - Allan (Gunneral) at 7:55 PM: No doubt that the Oregon Electric Railway restaurant is indeed a fine place to dine - first time for me was in 1987. The bride has never been there, so when we are in Eugene this spring, we'll be sure to take it in - most probably twice. Yes, when Ford acquired Jaguar <and Land Rover>, I'm sure it shook the national psyche in the UK pretty much the way it must've happened in Sweden in Jan 1998 when Volvo cars was bought out. An American company actually OWNING those "standards" of the Euro auto industry. But nothing remains the same in this old world of ours ‘n now as the tides have gone out on the U.S. auto manufacturers, there's talk of "sell" in the air. Ford has announced that it will divest itself of those Euro cars once a suitable buyer can be found. An aspect of the Can-Am trainroom ‘n layouts is that they've all been melded into what we say ‘n do at "Our" Place. So that when any of the guys visit, well - it's almost like an extension of what we do here. Pretty unique, I'd say - but great fun. I'm sure you'd get a kick out of it. Of course, one can't really take in all of the sights ‘n sounds without visiting the beer fridge . . . <uh oh> Fifteen is no way, no how justified for personal responsibility when behind the wheel of a car. Crazy - absolutely crazy. Shame on those who came up with that hair brained idea . . . <barf> Let ‘em ride the buses - after all you're paying taxes to run ‘em! <geesh> When I see lines ‘n lines of traffic in the AM ‘round here, mostly driven by kids going to school it occurs to me that we the taxpayers are getting ripped off, big time. We pay for the roads - we pay for the schools - we pay for the EXTRA parking lots required to hold the cars of the "little darlings" ‘n of course pay for the half-full school buses burning all of that expensive petrol. <triple barf> Well, I'm WOUND TIGHT this day! <grin> So, best knock it off . . .Email received 'n chin is UP! <grin> Thanx . . .Thanx for the visit, < I3 > Post ‘n ROUND! Page 184 - Nick (nickinwestwales) at 8:04 PM: Not complaining, but surprised at the vigor of your visits to the Bar by the Ballast. You're back in full-form, so it seems. WHAT A MAN! Kinda hoped you'd "jump" at the opportunity to escort Helga to The Second Class Saloon for a "big <understatement> nite out! I hear Spyrogira ‘n the Green Slugs are performing tonite . . . The saying goes ‘round here is somewhat similar - ". . . . if it doesn't wiggle." <grin>Mere mention of the Big Bopper brings to mind some happy thoughts from my early adulthood . . . saw J.P. Richardson perform at a few New York City Rock ‘n Roll shows, hosted by Alan Freed <NY DJ supreme of the day> Guess he's <Big Bopper> more known for two things: Chantilly Lace <1958 song> and being one of several victims in a 1959 plane crash <Buddy Holly ‘n Ritchie Valens died that day too>. Which of course some say became immortalized in lyrics when Don McLean came up with American Pie, which was rumored to be the name of the plane that went down. The song was a tribute to those three perfomers - Buddy Holly being the most notable. Yeah, you flicked a switch with that one . . . Many thanx for your "report" on your brief holiday with loved ones . . . those have to be the best of times. Cherish ‘em Mate, time has a way of movin' on . . . Can only imagine the exhilaration of just thinking about being in the cab - in control - and so forth. Yeah, there still are some decent chaps about - just have to seek ‘em out, or they you. Too many people cluttering up the opportunities, methinks. <groan>So you're a 2nd time book reader too, eh I really "dig" reading ‘em again - not all mind you, but those that have a certain "captivation" of mind ‘n spirit. Let a bunch of years pass by ‘n it's almost as if you're reading it for the first time. Wonder if it's like that with old flames . . . <uh oh> Just wondering - nothing more! <geesh> Looking forward to the "report" of the "date" - whataguy! Many thanx for the fine contribution to the day's material - really a "positive" having you back - ROUND appreciated, as always! ]Page 184 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:09 PM: Happy Railroading! Siberianmo wanswheel Member sinceNovember 2005 4,190 posts Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:31 AM Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the houseFirst car was a '56 Dodge 2-door hardtop. Hardtop. That's what they called a car without pillars.It was always the first thing to move when the light turned green. Radio played Motown, 4 SeasonsBeach Boys, Roger Miller and British invasion stuff . I can't get no Satisfaction.Oregon Electric page shows a sleeping car therehttp://www.pdxhistory.com/html/oregon_electric.htmlSpeaking of restaurants... http://www.steamingtender.com/index.asphttp://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/v/Vermonter4.jpg.76979.jpghttp://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2001070822235324703.jpg http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2005122216240310555.jpg http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?200401191551083064.jpghttp://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2004011821150529336.jpghttp://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2007030516542025504.jpg http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2007030516491025442.jpgHappy Valentines Dayhttp://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T30/T3061/T3061-lrg.jpeg http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T24/T2476/T2476-lrg.jpeg http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T30/T3019/T3019-lrg.jpeg http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T33/T3359/T3359-lrg.jpeg http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T29/T2916/T2916-lrg.jpeg Mike siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:53 AM <personal foto>G'day Gents!It's THAT day ‘n if you've no idea - then I'd suggest you remain at the bar ‘til at least Monday IF you have a woman in your life! . . Order up a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board - check out The Mentor Village bakery case ‘n of course fill up your coffee mug! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Comments from the Proprietor:HELP WANTED! <repeated>By the by guyz - would appreciate it if every now ‘n then those of you who provide fotos give a visit to "my other Thread" just to drop ONE off. Especially if you note that there's been considerable time between visits . . . THANX! Of course, y'all are welcome to visit, if only to drop off a word or three . . . Also, should you visit other Threads, please consider inviting those you think may be interested in joining us for a session at the bar. Really need to keep building the clientele, guys. Just think of those we've lost ‘n are losing . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTESTWhen will we reach Page 200 Bonus: Who will make that Post Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!Example: March 17th - Nick.Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Participants thus far:(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Wednesday - Feb 13th: <all times Central standard>Page 183 - Mike (wanswheel) at 7:53 AM: VW Beetle heat was never a problem - even in summer. <ugh> Volvo is as Swedish as Eric - just doesn't say so anymore. Round appreciated. Page 184 - Pete (pwolfe) at 4:03 PM: Two days with long periods of drought - this keeps up ‘n I'm gonna go back to every other day with the acknowledgments . . .NO, NO, NO - I'm not going anywhere tonite other than "out" with my bride . . . H&H can "use" Rob as they see fit. <yikes> To do otherwise is to lend credibility to being SNOOKERED - by YOU ‘n Rob. In my experiences the only other body of water that might rival the Channel might be the Florida Straits - extremely crowded ‘n one needs many "eyes" to navigate it safely . . .You've got some Email . . . One received from you - thanx!Nice fotos with narratives! Appreciate the visit! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:45 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, just a double cheeseburger, please. Kind of quiet day today here at the bar! But still some interesting stuff to check out.Fergie – Hope you made it back home from school before the storm hit. Tom – So you met Helga in Southamton???! Then you two have a lot to talk about on your date!!Volvo will very likely be bought by some Swedish investors pretty soon according to what I've heard. Some models are built in Ghent, Belgium, and some in Gothenburg, Sweden, where Volvo’s Headquarter is located. As a matter of fact, Volvo had an assembly plant in Halifax a number of years ago! Rob thinks it was closed 15-20 years ago. Volvo V70 is built both in Gothenburg and Ghent. More info on this link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_CarsInteresting to see how you built that S-gauge layout, especially since I have seen it finished and in operation. Looking forward to next week!Received email, thank you!Mike – You are right about Volvo! Very Swedish.Pete – Yes, now I remember. The Jubilee Line got its name from the Queen’s Silver Jubilee! http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/jubilee/I took a quick look but could not find ny pictures of OE sleeping cars. I will try again later. In the book I have, I found a picture of a sleeping car of the Interstate Public Service Company. They had three sleeping cars that operated between Louisville and Indianapolis for eight years. Illinois Railway Museum has an interurban sleeping car from Illinois Terminal. Wish Doug was here to tell us more about it. More snowy photos! Thanks for showing!Allan – I agree, that restaurant is a great place to visit! I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again, I have to check if I can find any photos from my visit. I will keep an eye on that Tornado site to see when things are starting to happen! Nick – Seems like you had a pretty nice and interesting Monday afternoon at Guildford station! Ferocious acceleration? Electrics usually have a good acceleration. As an instructor I used to demonstrate max acceleration of a Class Rc1 electric locomotive when we were doing the ATC-training. Just the loco and starting from 0 with full power was like getting a very hard kick in the back. 0-100 km’h took just a few seconds. Very impressive (and fun)! Thanks for your report! Class Rc1, Swedish State Railways. The more modern Rc2-Rc6 (look the same) have anti-spin curcuits that will limit the acceleration. Rob – Thanks for the info on the Volvo assembly plant in Halifax! Yeah, they (the Volvos) tend to last. I bought a brand new Volvo 740 in 1985, drove it for ten years, sold it to my boss and he is still driving it. Eric trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:09 PM Good evening Leon , I think keith's will do me this evening I leave a bit extra should Nick survive his "date".Tom-What's to say looks like we both have survived not having to go on that date. Bless Nick he should have free booze for at least a couple hours whatdyathink Just a ton of good info in those three 20fingers- esk posts on the tube 5xI must admit I got a giggle from the bit about them finding parts on ebay. Imagine being paid by a major transit company to scour ebay for spare parts,a dream job for some I suppose. When your in your LHS's look at the new model power cars in HO alot of what you once had are available accept for the Studebaker,though I'm sure that someone must make a Champion.Nice to see part three of the S-capades again,I'm still amazed at the neat wiring harnesses they have for them.BTW got teh emails responded to one already Just wondering did you have the big afro perm to go along with the platform shoes and wide collored,polyester leisure suit from your disco days (daze) Fergie-I hope you missd the worst of that filthy weather I know we got hammered pretty good again yesterdayAllan-I confuse easily at anyrate,must make travel abroad a nightmare with that much time difference,would make trip planning a bit of a logistical nightmare as well.Eric-Again thanks for teh dmu info at least soem were saved for posterity. The Volvo plant that was in halifax/Dartmouth closed many years ago,Fergie could likely give you the exact date but it has to be 15 or twenty years now.I remeber the reasons given at teh time was lack of sales,that plant was supposed to supply the needs of the North American market,but it was actually overproducing for the demand so the production was moved back to Europe.The cars just alst too long. Funny story my Aunt had an ols 240 wagon bought it new in 1981 or 82.She had always maintained it to teh specs at teh dealership in Kingston where she lives. In 1994 she had a transmitiion failure an figured it was time to trade it in,it was a minor fix and they sent her on the way the salesman she spoke to at the time about the trade was the same guy she bought the car from in the first place. He told her why there was nothing wrong with her car so she drove it until last summer when she did trade it in on a new wagon ( yup same salesman )Pete-That was an interesting engine in that photo. That company is called Larry's Truck Electric. They buy old loco's refurbish them and then lease them out to shortlines industries sometimes mainline rail companies as well. That particular loco is by the looks of it anyway an SW1200,probably built originally in the late 50's by EMD. great shots of that steam train in the snow,I'm sure it was a tough chore having to weather the weather in the pub while they serviced the locoDave-Good to see you back again. I wonder if any of those ugly GP40TR's still exist today,I ahd heard that a few of them had been sold to Boise/MPI for rebuilding into green goats or whatever else they are frankenbuilding at their plant.Thanks for the follow up info on those interurbans. I remeber seeing some photo's of those two sleeper ones after they were sold to PGE, their motors were removed and PGE used them as regular passenger cars for many years.Nick-Sounds like you had an enjoyable week,no arrests and a date with Helga what more could one ask for.I do hope your photo's trun out and that you got an address or phone number for that wonderfull crewman sounds like you found that one in a million "old school" railroaderRob nickinwestwales Member sinceApril 2005 901 posts Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:04 PM Well good evening my lovelies and a happy valentines day to you all...hmmm-perhaps I should approach this a bit differently........well-you know what I mean.......................Just passed Helga on the way in-assumed she was on her way to another modelling gig for a surgical appliance catalog until I read the last few days pages--TOM-you are turning down the chance of a lifetime there mate -however ,in deference to your finer feelings (coupled with my widely known willingness to *%$! a snake if I can find a way to prop open the jaws) I am more than happy to act as your champion in this matter ( to quote the ,sadly very mortal,Big Bopper-"Well helloooo BABY"...... )O.K then-Leon a large and soothing bottle of Starop please dear boy,for `tis been a long few days-set `em up for the regular barflys and my hot date for the night (ooh-the anticipation....)will have the Keith Richards pre-show cocktail ( 8oz vodka,1oz cranberry juice) with her own personal twist-the faintest soupcon of methylated spirit.............and a bag of chilli chips to nibble on.The highlight of the roadtrip was monday afternoon,when the girls(Missisnick,her mum & small Hannah) went ice skating after depositing me outside the main entrance to Guildford station,camera in hand.Had assumed that this would be a fairly quiet outpost where I could wander onto the platform more or less unnoticed and take the odd snap of passing trains between chapters of an improving book (Bill Bryson`s "Notes from a small island"-as good this time round as on first reading ) however-this was not to be-the whole place is hyper security concious,all platform access is tightly controlled-enquiries to the ticket attendant resulted in calls to the station master and a reluctant issue of a pass on the condition that I make no pix of the South-west trains logo or any members of staff.........go figure...Once inside the fence,the following discoveries were made-1-its a bloody big station-8 platforms (1 is a N. facing bay,2 is a thru road,although most services seem to be ex-london trains that terminate and reverse via a crossover at the N. end,3,4&5 are thru London -Portsmouth and return,6 is down Reading-Gatwick,7 is not used (the other side of a single track served by 6) and 8 is the return up Gatwick-Reading. 2-quiet-in the 2 hours i spent there there was a train at least every 5 minutes--the principal server is the above mentioned S.W.T whose trains wear a delightfully vivid range of liveries-a mix of candy-apple red,a rich mid blue or a startling white with blue trim in a variety of formations-either 3 car,5 car or multiples of 4 cars-the Gatwick services are run by First Great Western ( the franchise on the Paddington-Wales/West country lines) who favour a purple/pink livery not unlike the early GO Train colours,before they switched to the `toothpaste` mint green and white.All trains run on 3rd rail electric and are clean,almost silent and have ferocious acceleration away from a stop.Luckily it was one of those rare spring days when there was not a cloud in the sky and I`m hoping I have caught some good pix-the low angle of the sun was lighting the stock perfectly and once I`d figured this and got across to platform 7/8 I should have the light behind me-we shall see.....To add some human interest ,when I first arrived and was checking out locations for pix ,I fell into conversation with the driver of the 13.45 up to Waterloo who allowed as he would be quite happy to spend a couple of hours sitting in the sun taking pix and would I like to take the train up to the smoke and back instead of him-Lordy,if I thought he had meant it.........(ok-push the lever forward for go and pull it back for stop,red means stop,yellow means slow down,green means line clear.............) was really helpful about where I might find some freight action (not there sadly) and I suspect,would have given me a ride in the cab up to wherever it was (gawd bless ya mate..) is nice to know that there is still a link between drivers and `anoraks` like myself -a pint for you mate anytime you are passing !!!!!!!Well chaps-please excuse the rudeness but I am too spangled after spending all afternoon driving at 95 mph into the setting sun (and seeing the sun go down behind the Port Talbot steelworks thru a haze of pollution is like being on the set of Bladerunner) to do the proper I3 thing (although there is loads of good stuff there that I am determined to catch up on )-the one comment I will make is --V.W`s---just gotta love `em .................Right-looks like my hot date has finished her drink(fancy a nightcap sweetie-what-just the meths then...whatya mean we are goin dancing-the Mentor Palace Ballroom-you mean it`s still open ?--Boris-follow at a distance -I may have need of you later-wish me luck chaps-TOM-remember-I`m doing this for you.....................................Take care my darlings-speak soon,Nick Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:55 PM Hi Tom and all,Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please.Rob. It can be like living in a time warp down here in NZ, we are 17hrs ahead of US Eastern Standard Time so the time factor can be a bit confusing at times`. Sorry to hear you will not be making it to Rendezvous III, I would have loved to have made it there too. Enjoyed all the info and pics in your posts.Eric. That diner at Eugene sounds a great place to visit. Thanks for that link to the Tornado loco site, it wiil be really great to see a brand new Pacific steam loco running again soon, Peppercorn was the last of the LNER engineers at the BR Nationalisation in 1948, he was a prodigy of Sir Nigel Gresley who produced the Flying Scotsman and the famous A4 streamlined Pacifics, the Tornado will be a very nostalgic loco. Nice pic and info on those DMU`s,, our local Tyneside electric trains were the same colour in the 50`s.Mike. Was in with a great selection of URL`s on Abe Lincoln and NY pics and a great link to an old Brit railway book, thanks for that mate.CM3. Was in with some interesting details on Mikes URL`s.Pete. Will have a search to see if their`s a link to the "Locomotion" NRM outpost at all. Most of my old school mates ended up working at Swan Hunters or Parsons Steam Turbine works in Wallsend, their were also two other big yards in the local area, North Eastern Marine and Vickers Naval Yard, Swan Hunters is no more now! Enjoyed all your write up`s and pics, nice pics of West Country #34027 trip and the DMU with lots of Tom`s favourite snow.Dave. Some very interesting info on the Oregon Electric that Eric mentioned, that`s what`s so great about "Our" place.Fergie. Was back aboard, hope your weather is improving.Tom. Enjoyed your comments about all the cars you`ve owned, even Jaguar is a Ford product now and Land Rover too, who`d have thought! Really enjoyed your very informative write up on the London Tube system, it was very comprehensive and full of detail, at Piccadilly Circus interchange you had to make real sure you followed the line colour code system or else you went around in ever decreasing circles! Nice lot of pics of your S-Capades RR, no wonder Pete loves coming to visit you so often, you must have a great time together at your place? You will be amazed to hear that 15yrs is the age you can get a driving licence in NZ, which is far to young in most peoples thinking, the farming lobby group in NZ, which is VERY strong politically, supports this age so their kids can drive themselves to High school from the rural areas` instead of hanging around for the school bus service. Hope you are going to get LOTS of that WHITE stuff!See ya, Allan pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:03 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please RUTH.DAVE Many thanks for the info on the Oregon electric cars. They certainly seem to be very well built cars.ERIC I believe the Jubilee line got its name from the Queens Silver Jubilee of her reign in 1977 although I am not altogether certain.Many thanks for the info on the DMUS; it is good that quite a few of those good-looking cars have been preserved. I hope some of the plain baggage cars were saved.Surely you would come out in the snow to travel behind the steam locomotive in the photos later on in the post.It seems the mystery of the Oregon Electric sleeping cars has been solved; it would be great to find out what happened to them in service with the Pacific Great Eastern Railway. I wonder if there are any photos existing of the sleeping cars in service with OE.Thanks for photo of the PE car.MIKE Many thanks for the link to that old British railway book. I will have a good look after I have posted this.TOM Let me get this right, the double date with Helga and Rob with Hilda is on, and it will involve a disco.Yes I was lucky to find that photo of # 8786 an old looking diesel to me, it was not running at the time and my guess it was being used by those who are working on the track in the area. I wonder if I can get the bride to go down to Pat's to see if it is still there.I do enjoy traveling on the Underground when it runs overground away from Central London. Yes I have heard the Channel is one of the busiest waterways in the world.Many thanks for the next installment of the building of the S-Capades. The locomotives and stock look good even on the bare boards. That is a great job with the hand painted kits especially when the photo is enlarged.I hoped you would enjoy the photo of the Class 156 DMU in the snow. The 156s were built by Metro-Cammell and to me the best of the 2nd generation of BR DMUs, before the faster 158s came in. They must have been a good unit as they were trusted with the Kyle and the far north line in the highlands of Scotland.The reason we were at Sheffield was we were on a steam tour. The tour was named The Yorkshireman and was on February 23rd 1994. The steam loco was Ex Southern Railway rebuilt West Country class 4-6-2 No 34027 TAW VALLEY. We traveled by service trains to Banbury where we picked up the special34027 arriving at Banbury.There was a problem with watering the locomotive at Derby and the snow was getting worse. An hour was allowed for watering so we went to the Brunswick Arms just down from Derby Station, we could see the loco in a bay being watered so as it got delayed we had more beer. After the loco moved off to rejoin the train we dashed off to catch it. In reaching Sheffield with the late running and the deteriorating weather it was decided to turn the train there instead of going on to Leeds as was the plan. The steam loco was due to come off at Leeds so we had a bit of a wait while the diesel came from Leeds. It was a wise decision as the weather was worst north of Sheffield Well RUTH it is a bit quiet in the barso I 'll join you with another Bathams, I belive Eric is buying till this evening.Pete. siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:21 AM G'day Gents!Here's Part III of the Building of the S-Capades for this Wednesday's OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day!<Check out Page 176 for Part I; "must" reading if you wanna understand all of this! Part II is on Page 180> S-Helper <ShowCase Line> MoPac F7AControl center <note: wiring has been routed beneath the layout>IC & MoPacLandscaping begins with a tunnel <"blocked" to idle a complete train>Completed structures from wood kits <hand painted>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * More next week <maybe>! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo wanswheel Member sinceNovember 2005 4,190 posts Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:53 AM Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the houseYou can take the Volvo out of Sweden but you can't take Sweden out of the Volvo.My ''74 Super Beetle was green. It could do over 80 on the parkway. How do you turn the heater off? I was duct taping the vents for temporary relief. Fergie, thanks for the compact post to repy to, very helpful believe it or not. Sandow Mertes for CM3http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0014/s001469.jpghttp://books.google.com/books?id=UqdMgXghj4oC&pg=PA29&dq=sam+mertes&lr=&as_brr=3&sig=Clemx0x1jp7zqgdrmHUXPV0Ch50And a very old book that might be of interest to Pete, DL, Allan and Nickhttp://books.google.com/books?id=LtpAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR7&dq=%22our+home+railways%22+++contents&as_brr=3#PPR8,M1Mike siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:07 AM <personal foto> Wednesday's WitticismWorry is like a rockin' horse. It's somethin' to do that don't get you nowhere. G'day Gents!Remember "back in the day" when you heard the older generation speak of "How fast time flies," And you thought, "What are they talking about " Well, guess what - it does! Here we are once again at mid-week in mid-continent USA where it's nearly mid-month. <yikes> That smell is our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee just waiting for you. While you're at it, check out the pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n if you've got the appetite, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! That should help begin the day on the right foot . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Comments from the Proprietor:HELP WANTED! By the by guyz - would appreciate it if every now ‘n then those of you who provide fotos give a visit to "my other Thread" just to drop ONE off. Especially if you note that there's been considerable time between visits . . . THANX! Of course, y'all are welcome to visit, if only to drop off a word or three . . . Also, should you visit other Threads, please consider inviting those you think may be interested in joining us for a session at the bar. Really need to keep building the clientele, guys. Just think of those we've lost ‘n are losing . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTESTWhen will we reach Page 200 Bonus: Who will make that Post Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!Example: March 17th - Nick.Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Some HELP: Eric (EricX2000) turned the Page to 150 on Dec 5th , 2007Mike (wanswheel) got us to Page 100 on Aug 23rdPete (pwolfe) helped us reach Page 50 on April 15th* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Participants thus far:(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Tuesday - Feb 12th: <all times Central standard>Page 183 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:46 AM ‘n 9:06 AM: One of the "things" I thought would be fun to do was to collect model cars for each one I owned - same colors, of course ‘n all in the same scale. I began in earnest to seek out a manufacturer to meet my needs. Never found one - not one either in "brick ‘n mortar" environments ‘round the country, or in the Ether. Even if I slacked off on my criteria, for example - size, I still couldn't locate one of each. Did this over a period of years, but never succeeded so I forgot about it <fuhgedaboudit>. <groan> Still think it would be "neat" to have a display case with those cars of mine . . . <ahhhhhhh>So let me get this straight - YOU are proposing a double date This is supposed to be your way of getting out of that <tweeting> OR being such a great guy, eh Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:04 AM Good Morning Captain Tom and SundryWhat's this I here... Rob and Helga??? A set up I think, on Rob's part no less as Rob would neva get tweeted accidently would he?As to the Contest put me down for the 21st of March please and ThanksAnd speaking of Tweeting I'll have a Western with extra Mayo with a side order of Home made Molasses beans and Brown Bread.Tom got the e-mail and I'm interested to say the least, very interested!Anyway time to get ready for class and schools across the province have been closed again today (Monday was a Closed School Day too) in anticipation of a Winter snow, Freezezing rain and Heavy Rain fall warning type kinda storm later today. Later AllFergie http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007 EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:59 PM Good vening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon,a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich, please! The usual to drink! Drinks are on me from now until tomorrow evening! We have to celebrate our 34th Monthiversary!!!We are getting close to Our 3rd Anniversary! Any plans? Mike – Considering my short memory (0.2 sec.) I am not surprised that I missed the 34th Monthly Anniversary last night. Not at all. I guess Manager Lars is busy in the Keys. I hope he (and the Mrs.) has a good time in the sun!Interesting pictures of long gone days around Manhattan! President Lincoln 199th birthday! And the train President Lincoln! Very interesting preview of the book “Manhattan’s Lost Streetcars”!CM3 – Those DMUs are long gone now. The photo is from 1967-68. Quite a few have been preserved though. Tom – Volvo is still very much a product of Sweden. Most of them are built and developed in Gothenburg, some are built in Belgium and a few other places. Like my Grand Marquis, built in Canada. London Underground! Very classic indeed. I have to check if I have any photos from the Underground. I have been riding it several times. I remember the Jubilee Line from my visit in 1979. If I recall correctly it was named the Jubilee Line because of the Queen something. DL, Nick or Pete probably know more about the Jubilee Line. A lot of interesting information!!! Rob – Those DMUs are/were light weight, built for less busy branch lines. They are now retired but some have been preserved. Pete – In the photo one can only see a combined baggage and passenger car and they have a driving position in one end. The plain baggage car in the first photo is shorter and does not have any controls. It is usually coupled between two DMUs. As I already explained above, all those DMUs are now out of service. Quite a few have been preserved though. A cold, snowy photo from Sheffield! Days like those I try to stay inside. Thanks for the photo!Dave – According to a book I have, "The Electric Interurban Railways in America" did Oregon Electric buy two sleeping cars in 1912 from the Barney and Smith Car Company. They were used between Portland and Eugene (143 miles) and the traveling time was scheduled for six hours. They were taken out of service 1928 and sold to Pacific Great Eastern Railway in British Columbia. Not a sleeping car. Pacific Electric #418. Eric West Coast S Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Los Angeles 1,619 posts Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:57 PM Good day gents, round for all, on Helga of course :Tom:Very interesting your 3 part London Underground, and to think I thought it was a night spot to bed Boris down!!!! I suppose similar info is available for domestic transit systems.Rob:Yep, those would be the creatures, after Amtrak had no further use for them, they were purchased by locomotive dealer VMI and leased for freight service to the SP, they were common toward the end in my neck of the woods, replete with Amtrak paint and numbers in most cases and really stood out because the were clean!!!Ok to the subject interurban sleepers, specifically Oregon Electric. To my knowledge none existed, parlor car yes, but this was keeping in time with similar services offered by the SN and PE until the early 30's. The OE was completely abandoned by 1940, abandoments of local lines had been ongoing for years. The wooden fleet was largly scrapped, the big steel motors initially were purchased and relocated for East Bay service in Northern California until that too was abandoned in 1940. They languished in scrap for several years until purchased by the US Maritime Commision for the use of ship yard workers at Terminal Island in Southern California. Overhauled by PE these monsters impressed shop man and management alike, thus when deemed surplus, all 67 cars were incorported into the PE roster. I have yet to uncover any evidence that despite extensive rebuildings and reconfigurations by many owners over many years, any that served orginally in a sleeper capacity for the OE or any other western interurban system.Eric:I say that GN 4-8-4 is a most impressive machine, doomed to die young as they were deemed not suitable for freight service due to those 80 inch drivers and roller coaster profile. Too Bad this can't be the subject of a restoration, I doubt will see big steam rolling out on the main as we did just a decade ago, given the current climate of the business and insurance preminums...I neglected to address the various subject matters put forth by CM3, Waynswheel, Allan, trust that I shall endevor to pose a intelligent response when able....Until laterDave SP the way it was in S scale pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:47 PM Hi Tom and all.A Pint of Holden's Special please RUTH.ALLAN Really glad you are enjoying the Shildon photos. I will have to get to Shildon when I am over the old land, as they have built a new museum there as an outpost of the NRM called ‘Locomotion'.Sadly I have only seen Blyth from the train on the special and from the bus windows on the shed visits. I remember the Geordie, I used to work with, telling me about Whitley Bay he said it was a nice place but could be pretty cold with the east wind off the North Sea.We did have a visit from my works to the Swan Hunter shipyard many years ago it was in winter and remember it was a cold we were not used to being from the Midlands.Did you see the Rugby 7s from San Diego; I see NZ won the cup.ROB Real glad you have offered to accompany Tom and Helga with Hilda, I am sure it will be lot more successful than the double date Vito the Hit set up for them a while ago.Yes I am learning to recognize some of the American locomotives, by a coincidence there was this locomotive at Jeff City this morning, I have seen locos like this in photos at Our Place but not on the main line.http://lists.railfan.net/totalcsx-photo/listphoto.cgi?totalcsx-01-25-08/IMG_8003.jpgI had not got my camera with me and it would be hard to get a decent photo as there was a lot of stuff in the way, but I found the photo of the locomotove 8786 photo on the web.ERIC It is because of the long numbers that us Brit spotters have a notebook and a black bag to carry it in.It is good to see those locomotives used for switching at the shops were in such a clean condition.Many thanks for the explanation and the photo of the baggage car in yesterday's photo. It seems from the photo that the baggage cars have a driving position at just the one end and the DMU at both ends, I guess the baggage cars can be turned on the turntable outside that great half roundhouse if needed.Yes I have following the development of the building of the new A1 locomotive, thanks for the link to that most up to date info on the locomotive. It is indeed an amazing project and many thanks to those who have seen it through from an idea that more than one thought was impossible. I am sure the Great Central Railway will get a lot of folks there to see her running in and to get to travel behind her. It will be very interesting to see if she will be allowed to run at 90 MPH on the main line the present speed limit for steam is 75 MPH.MIKE For remembering the Anniversary of Our Place today.Many thanks for those great old photos of New York and the great links. Really enjoyed the Manhattan's Lost Streetcars one with the great text and photos.CM3 Thanks for the details on Mike's photos and links.TOM Yes HELGA is pretty desperate after the disappointment of her last date. I'm afraid since she found out it was our worthy proprietor who won her hand, so to speak, she is quite struck with the idea.Yes that Sleeping Car on the Oregon Electric Railway has got me intrigued, it would be good to know more hopefully the link will attract some answers.I agree with what you said about mobile phones and drivers especially teenagers I see in a survey 47% admitted TEXTING while driving.Great reading on the London Underground, I have always been fascinated by the old lines and abandoned stations. Alan gets a magazine, which deals solely with the railways in the London area. I believe the mileposts on LT are taken from zero at Onger station which is no longer part of the Underground system with the LT trains stopping at Epping, I was able to travel the line, which just ran at peak times, siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:18 PM G'day Gents!Ruth, go ahead 'n take off . . . Yeah, I saw a couple of guys "peeking in the windows" . . . . call this day a loss. <geesh> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The finale . . . .Now arriving on Track # 3Classic Transit - Number ThreeLondon UndergroundPart III of III Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Information NOT corroborated.London UndergroundDelaysThe Underground is notorious for its many delays. According to statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the average commuter on the Metropolitan Line wasted three days, 10 hours and 25 minutes in 2006 due to delays (not including missed connections). Figures for September-October 2006 show that 211 train services were delayed by more than 15 minutes for that period. However, passengers are entitled to a refund if their journey is delayed by 15 minutes or more due to circumstances within the control of TFL.Station accessEscalators at Bank station on the Northern Line.Accessibility by people with mobility problems was not considered when most of the system was built, and older stations are inaccessible to disabled people. More recent stations were designed for accessibility, but retrofitting accessibility features to old stations is at best prohibitively expensive and technically extremely difficult, and often impossible. Even when there are already escalators or lifts, there are often steps between the lift or escalator landings and the platforms.Most stations on the surface require use of at least a short flight of stairs to gain access from street level, and the great majority of stations sited underground require use of stairs or some of the system's 410 escalators (each going at a speed of 145 ft per minute, approximately 1.65 miles per hour). There are also some lengthy walks and further flights of steps required to gain access to platforms.Some of the escalators in Underground stations are among the longest in Europe and all are custom-built. They run 20 hours a day, 364 days a year, with 95% of them operational at any one time, and can cope with 13,000 people per hour. Convention and signage stipulate that people using escalators on the Underground stand on the right-hand side so as not to obstruct those who walk past them on the left.TfL produces a map indicating which stations are accessible, and the more recent (2004) line maps indicate with a wheelchair symbol those stations that provide step-free access from street level. Step height from platform to train is up to 200 mm, and there can be a large gap between the train and curved platforms. Only the Jubilee Line Extension is completely accessible.TfL plans that by 2020 there should be a network of over 100 fully accessible stations. This consists of those already accessible (recently built or rebuilt, and a handful of suburban stations that happen to have level access) along with selected 'key stations', which will be rebuilt. These key stations have been chosen due to high usage, interchange potential, and geographic spread, so that up to 75% of journeys will be achievable step-free. SafetyWestminster station - extensive structures are required to support Portcullis House above.SuicidesMost fatalities on the network are suicides. Most plat Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:14 PM G'day Gents!Been over 2 hours since Part I with no customers . . . so may as well continue on . . . Now arriving on Track # 3Classic Transit - Number ThreeLondon Underground Part II of III Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Information NOT corroborated. London UndergroundInfrastructureZone 1 (central zone) of the Underground network in a more geographically accurate layout than the usual Tube map, using the same styleThe Underground does not run 24 hours a day, because all track maintenance must be done at night, after the system closes. First trains on the network start operating shortly after 05:00, running until around 01:00. Unlike systems such as the New York City Subway, few parts of the Underground have express tracks that would allow trains to be routed around maintenance sites. Recently, greater use has been made of weekend closures of parts of the system for scheduled engineering work.Rolling stock 1996 Tube Stock trains stabled at Stratford Market DepotThe Underground uses rolling stock built between 1960 and 2005. Stock on sub-surface lines is identified by a letter (such as A Stock, used on the Metropolitan Line), while tube stock is identified by the year in which it was designed (for example, 1996 Stock, used on the Jubilee Line). All lines are worked by a single type of stock except the District Line, which uses both C and D Stock. Two types of stock are currently being developed - 2009 Stock for the Victoria Line and S stock for the sub-surface lines, with the Metropolitan Line A Stock being replaced first. Rollout of both is expected to begin about 2009.StationsThe Underground serves 274 stations, including Regent's Park tube station (closed for reconstruction until June 2007) and Shoreditch (closed, but served by a replacement bus service, until Shoreditch High Street station opens as part of the East London Line Extension). Fourteen Underground stations are outside Greater London, of which five (Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chesham, Chorleywood, Epping) are beyond the M25 London Orbital motorway. LinesThe Underground is one of the few railways electrified on the four-rail system. In addition to the two running rails there are two rails that supply power to the trains, one outside the running rails electrified at +420 V DC, the other in the middle at -210 V, producing a Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:50 AM G'day Gents! Here's one that's been in the hopper for quite awhile - required some reformatting 'n so forth along with breaking it up into THREE PARTS . . . so sit back 'n enjoy! Oh yeah, don't forget to order something while reading thru . . . Now arriving on Track # 3Classic Transit - Number ThreeLondon UndergroundPart I of III Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Information NOT corroborated.London UndergroundLocaleGreater London and Chiltern, Epping Forest, Three Rivers, WatfordTransit typeElectrified Metro RailwayBegan operation1863System length408 km / 253 milesNo. of lines12No. of stations275 served (253 owned)Daily ridership2.7 million (approximate)Track gauge1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in)OperatorTransport for LondonThe London Underground is an all-electric railway system that covers much of Greater London and some neighbouring areas. It is the world's oldest underground system, and is one of the largest in terms of route length. Services began on January 10 1863 on the Metropolitan Railway; most of that initial route is now part of the Hammersmith & City Line. Despite its name, about 55% of the network is above ground. Popular local names include the Underground and, more colloquially, the Tube, in reference to the cylindrical shape of the system's deep-bore tunnels.The Underground serves 275 stations and runs over 408 km (253 miles) of line. There are a number of former stations and tunnels that are closed. In 2004-2005, total passenger journeys reached a record number of 976 million, an average of 2.67 million per day.Since 2003, the Underground has been part of Transport for London (TfL), which also administers Greater London's buses, including the famous red double-deckers, and carries out numerous other transport-related functions. The former London Underground Limited was a subsidiary of London Regional Transport, a statutory corporation.History< Happy Railroading! Siberianmo trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:06 AM Ruth another stiff coffee please No Boris i don't want you to put it outside <sheesh> thought hat would work today.Hmm two more in while I was two finger typing oh well such is the way in the bar.Tom-Nope her sights are set on you not unlike a bloodhound on Boris's socks,tell you what I'll be the big man about it ,and escort you two with Hilda ( she's a much bigger handfull anyway ) oh BTW Hilda says she can fix those piles for you , something a bout a quick jab and flick with her nailfile and a sealing with a bic lighterBesides Guido sez so, so we'll all four of us have a wonderfull night at the second class ( who knows we may get a couple of the locals there to take them off our hands ) Nice to remenice about the first cars ,mine was an Orange '74 AMC Hornet what can I say it cost $300 when I turned 18 so it was only fourteen years old at the time.Ran it for two yeasr actually trouble free the thing just wouldn't die I sold it for a profit so what the heck.Funny enough my best freind had a green Gremlin at the same time ( couldn't be any colour but )I noticed that the last time I was in a hobby shop that there is a company making HO scale Pinto's Pacers,Gremlin's and Hornets,unfortunalty the Hornet is the same shade as the one I owned so I guess I'll buy it for posterity sake.CM3-Glad to see you make it in this morning as well. I have no clue about your question so I'll wait with baited breath the answer.Rob trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:46 AM Morning everyone. Hey Ruth how are you , I know fairing until you can fly south again.Well I think i'll have the medium octane BK coffee and a number three lease as always keep the change ( gotta build up the tip jar for your next southern trip )Speaking of octane it's a bit cooler today somehow than even yesterday,though cool is a relitive term when one is dealing with single digits and below. gas prices dropped a bit overnight to just under 98 cents a litre, getting close to the WVA prices per gallon.Eric-Ah yes I remember West coast Dave talking about that restaurant at one point over on the old thread,I think he even sent some photo's along of when it was still a depot.Nice to see old stations and depots re-used after their rail use is over,beats tearing them down in my estimation. The old CPR /TH&B station here in Brantford has been two different restaurants since it's closure as a railway building,currently some reno's are happeneing ( the last restaurant closed five years ago )so we await to see what opens in there this time. Nice additonal pic from the old country, those DMU's almost look like the light weight steel interurbans the Indiana railway used to operate _ from the sides and the ends.Mike-Yes indeed another birthday here at Our Palce good of you to notice . Some interesting stuff in the urls this morning,loved the construction shot of the Hudson tubes Nice shots of the harbour as well,even a bit of baseball and Lincoln memorials to wind out a mixed bag fer sure fer sure. Those differential cars aer indeed similar.alot of street railways would order them direct ( if funds were fluid enough ) Nice thing about the Differentila car co is that they would sell kits to those railways that had the shops and shop forces.Perhaps the case with Chicago,the car was home built but the dump bodies could very well been a kit. The TTC did that as well,they never ordered direct from Diff car due to the cost factor but they did retrofit several of the old TRC flatmotors to dump motors with Diff kits.Rob siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:41 AM <personal foto> G'day Gents!What's to say other than we're at Tuesday once again. You know, that day following Monday, but the day before "hump day"! Time to fill up those mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, sample a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! Petrol still holding at $2.78 (rounded) up at Collusion Corner . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Comments from the Proprietor: CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTESTWhen will we reach Page 200 Bonus: Who will make that Post Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!Example: March 17th - Nick.Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Some HELP: Eric (EricX2000) turned the Page to 150 on Dec 5th , 2007Mike (wanswheel) got us to Page 100 on Aug 23rdPete (pwolfe) helped us reach Page 50 on April 15th* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Participants thus far:(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):Monday - Feb 11th: <all times Central standard>Page 183 - Pete (pwolfe) at 5:34 PM: Smooth move ExLax - but no See-Gar! I ain't gonna do it - no way, no how, nope - not Moi! <frown> <urp> <barf> <yikes> Body oil by the drum <ommmmmigosh!> I really think you meant 55 gallon drum, eh You weave quite a circuitous route with that "explanation." Where did it state that a "date" with Helga was to be the "prize" for your quiz How desperate for a ‘date' can one get <yikes> YOU were "selected," ‘n therefore YOU should go. Otherwise, it's "hands down" for Nick! Weather report: As I type this (7:30 PM) it's doing nothing - just cold out there with about ¼ inch of ice on the sidewalks. Streets have been well "chemicled," although there are some slick spots. Took the bride about an extra hour to get home this afternoon . . . All sorts of scenarios discussed with Rob today for a possible visit to ExpoRail . . . I'll try to compile ‘em all in an Email to you, Fergie ‘n Rob . . . That comment about sleeping cars on the Oregon Electric Railway is supposedly a quote from a reputable magazine <at the time>. So, I'd say it's correct. Perhaps a thru car for connections with other roads. Too bad our former left coast connection <Dave> isn't around more often, for he'd probably know . . . Here's the informative link again - since it was first put up on the previous Page - ‘n we KNOW how few EVER go back . . .http://www.oesrestaurant.com/oeshistory.htmRegarding those drumheads - the idea is to present them from the Classic Trains era, so yes - you are correct in your appraisal. Thanx for the < I3 > Post, chat ‘n ROUND! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:35 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. All the bad weather is to the north and west of us here today - lots of school closings, etc. I-64 was closed down for awhile last night near Charleston so they could clean up the wrecks.Pete and Allan were by with comments and information. Eric - Thanks for sending along the picture - fascinating stuff to look at.Rob provided a spotting class in FPA4s and F units. Remember all of them quite well.Mike stopped by with some fine pictures of New York "back when." Fascinating detail when you enlarge them. The GM&O shots were good as well, especially the one of the observation car. The postcard is an interesting item re color. Alton name and B&O colors - I guess they didn't want to offend anybody. Then we had a Moose Grimshaw cigarette card, player record and an "action" photo as we'll. I KNEW I could count on you. Now lets see if you can find Sandow Mertes - one of my all time favorite obscure player names, although ‘Ol Sandow was around a lot longer than Moose. Quiz for the day is who was the original Sandow? OSP was by with reflections and reminiscences. I learned to drive on 1 1953 VW - IIRC, the 3rd one brought into New England - easy to take care of, started real good in the winter, but OMG, the heat in that beast was questionable at best. Turn signals were in the window posts - they were semaphores.Thanks for the drumheads.Our definition of "accident" is a lot tighter than most and is tied in with degree of injury. The general word(s) used for what you mentioned is "carelessness" or the ever-popular "human error." It can be people, or in some cases, machine design, or in still other cases, panic. The book that has been going around in the exchange gives examples of all of them. BTW, an excellent more up-to-date book that talks about a lot of this stuff (with a bunch of railroad-related material) is title Minding the Machines. Your library can probably ILL it for you. I plan to be around tomorrow but it probably will not be until late in the afternoon - same for Friday, but I'll do my best to stop by.work safe wanswheel Member sinceNovember 2005 4,190 posts Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:48 AM Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the houseUsually we patiently wait for Lars to report on the 13th that, once again, another 12th of the month has passed uncelebrated. Well not this time. Hail hail the gang's all here...For he's a jolly good fellow...Page 200: Tom on March 12Explored the Hudson Tubes link, and there's that beautiful 47-story Singer Building, tallest in the world in 1908, demolished in 1967 to make way for the World Trade Center. The view of river traffic from the high floors must have been neat in those days.199th birthday http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3a50000/3a53000/3a53200/3a53289r.jpgGM&O http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=687612http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=687613Mt. Rushmore http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c20000/3c27000/3c27400/3c27476v.jpghttp://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c02000/3c02200/3c02201v.jpgLincoln Memorialhttp://img.nytstore.com/IMAGES/NSAPMI53_EXTR.JPGhttp://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/dc/dc0400/dc0472/photos/029087pv.jpg Differential dump, in the lower photo, similar to the thing that Rob took a picture of in Chicagohttp://books.google.com/books?id=jTj1tGfHu4oC&pg=PA82&vq=car+492&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=_jWuTQP3F2ZHBtjnIQRE6OIeXJQ#PPA82,M1Moose Grimshawhttp://memory.loc.gov/pnp/bbc/1100/1180/1185fr.jpg http://www.grimshaworigin.org/images/NorthAmerica/MyronGwObit-20quality.jpgMike EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:21 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, get me my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris! A double, cold Tui, please!Now, let's see what we have toni... this morning. Looks interesting!Tom – That’s the one, Eugene Electric Station! A friend of mine and I had dinner there July 7, 1993. Stayed at a hotel not far from it. I think I have a photo from the inside of the restaurant. We will reach Page 200 March 1 and Manager Lars will make that post! I have had 3 different Volkswagens and I can’t say they belonged to my favorite cars. I can understand if you liked the Scirocco though. That seemed to be a nice car. Very nice drumheads! I must say I prefer round ones. Ron – I had the same lack of luck! Could not find anything about the Canadian speed record. But I am not done yet. I really don’t know how many Mack trucks the World Circus Museum has. Interesting events that took place in 1937! The first EMD E1 was introduced. I wonder why EMD E2 was introduced four months before E1? Rob – If you read between the lines in Tom’s post you can tell that he is really looking forward to spend Valentine’s Day with Helga. He is kind of shy though.Interesting to compare the FPA4 and FP9! Nice photos!CM3 – Sorry about your gas price, here it is $2.71. Heard on the news that it is expected to drop quite a bit this spring thanks to the slow economy. I believe it when I see it. Pete – Thanks for the information on the locomotive numbers! But I think those “long” numbers increased the chance that one would mix up the digits and remember the wrong number. I think those two locomotives were used for switching at the shops. The photo shows when a new train crew is taking over. The car on the right hand track in my photo is a short baggage car in the same design as the DMUs it was used with. See photo below. Do you know anything about the stem locomotive being built in the UK from scratch? See link below. I think it is an amazing project and now it is almost ready to run!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7238506.stmAllan – One of my best memories from Eugene, OR, is that restaurant, Oregon Electric Station. Good food and interesting place! Hope I will be able to go back there one day! Eric trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, February 11, 2008 9:13 PM Good evenining Leon ,I see that you've had a bit of action tonight which is good don';t need you falling asleep behind the bar. I see that Boris has looked after his charges even cleaned out teh various cages and pens hmmm I wonder why I had better check the PPF closet ah yes all the larges are gone sooo we'll have to order a few more.Tom-I see still refusing to claim your prize eh Ve hav vays you know,even Vito thought it was a good idea ( he's running numbers you see on if you will or won't accept ) incidentally I ahve it on the strictest authority ( vito's cousin Vinny ) that Vito has bet heavily on you accepting the prize. <uh oh > the odds were 100 to one that you wouldn't so as vito has said he's going for the sure thing if you get my drift ,I also noted that he just got a new consignment of cement forms < double uh oh > Anyway great drumheads sir is that Southern belle one different The colours and picture seems a bit different than the last one you posted ( might just be dirty glasses though ) No Boris don't spit polish <ugh> at least you could ahve taken them off my head first <arggh> If the Exporail thing flies I'll meet or pick up where ever. I'm amazed that you have no directs to Buffalo,tell me again why St louis is and Internatioanl airport.Pete-You see I knew that their was a reason the prize was what it was,that makes perfect sence. I know that Cindy and the Ladies of Perpetual motion had worked hard on that bikini,I like the silver bullets and chain links that hold it together in the strategic spots. You see we'll make a North American railfan out of you yet your already telling the difference between F units and FA's next you'll be able to resite the all time roster of the NYC Just joking of coarse but hey I'm learnuing all about the preserved steam on the BR and you're starting to be able to recognize American diesel locomotives,I would say mission accomplished for are little bar by the ballast n'est pas Allan-Good to see you pop in tonight as well or is it tomorrow morning for you sorry as ever,so I'll just give you the Aussi g'day instead to cover all possibilities.I aggree with you that shooting was a tradgedy to much of that sort of thing in any country anymore,even more so when it's the young that are doing it.18's a tad young to be able to drink , I thought that the 19 here was bad enough. I won't make R3 but hope to perhaps meet up with some of the others later or earlier on depending how the time and planning goes.Rob Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Monday, February 11, 2008 8:59 PM Hi Tom and all,The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!Nick. Hope you survived the invasion of those Irish rugger supporters OK, hope their was`nt a riot there.Rob. It would be great to meet you all at Rendezvous III, have a round on me with all the guys. Nice lot of work trolley pics you posted and all the other pics.Eric. Thanks for that link to the Toronto Transit, Rob`s stomping ground, and nice pics of GN`s 4-8-4 #2584 and the nice pic of your old country. I can see you are getting real hungry now asking Tom about that diner in Oregon.Lars. Nice comments about "Our" place and all the guys`, totally agree with you. Nice re-post of Barndad Doug`s info from 2006 and the great set of covAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s.Pete. Many thanks for the Shildon photo`s, they are great and are most definately "keepers". Glad you enjoyed Ernies photo site, a great collection of Geordieland railway pics without a doubt, sad to see they closed the Blyth engine shed, used to go to the Essoldo cinema there once a month as relieving trainee projectionist, was based at the Picture House, Whitley Bay, until joining the army, we were living in Shiremoor in those days`.[the Backworth mines` area]. You are doing a great job with that new scanner of yours. Was totally gutted with the "Toon" going down to Villa 4-1!Dave. Nice to meet you, welcome back aboard.Ron. Thanks for the great Corned Beef Hash recipe, have printed and saved it for future reference, another very interesting lot of events in 1937, see you had included a NZ cricketer, he had retired from the game by 1972 when we arrived out here. Hope your back is much better now?Dan. Forgot to mention that pic of the allotments you mentioned in that Westoe site, can just imagine how they used to live in those sheds to guard their prize leeks during the annual leek growing competition season, and all the whist and 500 school`s going on in there as well. typical Andy Capp country!CM3. Nice to see you in and not too affected by the bad weather.Tom. Awful news about that shooting in Kirkwood the other day, had to search the net for the full news as it did`nt feature on TVNZ, we are having an awful lot of stabbings by teenagers at the moment over here, which goes hand in hand with their "Binge" drinking habits, they can legally drink at 18 years old now, but they sure can`t hold it! Good to hear Fergie has come up with a solution for your water problem in the basement. That was a great set of pics of the Rendezvous I meet in Rob`s hometown and Toronto, all "keepers", you guys looked as if you were enjoying yourselves`. Nice link to the Oregon Electric Station, great info and some tempting menus in the diner. A real nice selection of interesting drumheads and a couple of classic flicks for the weekend, a coincidence, my father served in the Desert Rats during the war, Artillery of course, so a nostalgic flick for me. The date for the competition I think will be March 15th and the post will be by Pete. Hows that SNOW situation going at the moment?See ya, Allan « First«9101112131415»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Dome car
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Former California Zephyr dome car in excursion train service with the Inland Lakes Railway -- Plymouth, Florida.
A dome car is a type of railway passenger car that can include features of a lounge car, dining car and an observation. Its primary feature is a glass dome on the top of the car where passengers can ride and see in all directions around the train. Seats in the dome were considered "non-revenue" like lounge car seats. When dome cars operate today in excursion trains, the dome seats often command a premium fare.
Configuration
A plan view diagram of the Challenger dome car, built in 1958 by Pullman-Standard as Union Pacific Dome Coach #7015, the last such car built.
A portion of the car, usually in the center of the car, is split between two levels, with stairs leading both up and down from the train's regular passenger car floor level. The lower level of the dome usually contained the car's restrooms or a small lounge area, while the upper portion was usually coach or lounge seating within a "bubble" of glass on the car's roof. Passengers in the upper portion of the dome were able to see in all directions from a vantage point above the train's roofline.
On some dome cars, the lower portion was outfitted with a galley, where car attendants used dumbwaiters to transfer items between the galley and a dining area in the dome portion of the car.
History
The upper level interior of a dome car that has been configured as a dining area, on display at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Although the design of a dome car can be likened to a cupola caboose, the dome car's development is not directly related. The earliest documented predecessor of the dome car was first developed in the 1880s; known at the time as the "birdcage car", it was used on an 1882 sightseeing tour on the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad. In 1891, T. J. McBride received a patent for a car design called an "observation-sleeper"; illustrations of the design in Scientific American at the time showed a car with three observation domes. Canadian Pacific Railway used "tourist cars" with raised, glass-sided viewing cupolas on their trains through the Canadian Rocky Mountains in the 1920s.
These dome car designs did not prove successful, and further refinements to the idea didn't come for a few decades. The first successful dome cars were conceived by Cyrus Osborn of General Motors Electro-Motive Division (EMD). In 1944, while traveling in an EMD-built Rio Grande locomotive through Glenwood Canyon in Colorado, Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had about one inch of "passing clouds" last night - love it when the Weather Channel gets poetic - which made for some interesting driving. It's all gone now and the temperature has rebounded into the 40s - it was between +12 and +15 this a.m.
Let's see what's on the table today.
Contest enry - March 8 - Rob
Nick was by with an interesting description of his "day out." I always take reading material with me for times between rail activity.
Allan stopped in with comments.
Eric - I appreciated your comment about training demos - we did similar things with Detcord. Now there's another story for the Rendezvous.
Pete was by with information. I enjoyed the picture of the 156 DMU
Dave - Good afternoon, sir.
Mike - There he is! Ol' Sandow himself! A good combination of speed and some power for the dead ball era - somebody like that would earn a pretty fair chunk of change today. Would be an ideal #2 hitter.
There were some good B&A shots (then and now) in the links that you forwarded. The B&A a1 shows a Berkshire in its native habitat. The track layout at Palmer was a little more complicated back then.
The 1950s pictures were a time machine back to my formative days of following the railroad. The RS3 with the air tank on the top of the hood - my, my!
Check out the picture of CV4551 - let's see we have two CV color schemes. Look closer - every piece of power and rolling stock in the photo is a fallen flag.
The CV cabs are the last type they had - Canadian design, for certain.
Last - a nice selection of advertising.
Lars - Take it easy, friend.
OSPs postings should be called "Notes From the Underground," But I believe that the title is already taken. Interesting reading about the tunnels and their impact on equipment - somewhat similar to Boston - as different lines have somewhat different sized equipment. Man, you could spend a ton of cash riding that system if you didn't know how the fare system worked. I appreciated the comment about the Orient Express - however, I'll bet the Orient has a better diner (lol). Also enjoyed the construction pictures for your S scale system. It's always interesting to see how folks put layouts together; 4.0 job on the structures, too.
Well, I better get out of here. Lateness of this post reminds me of the old guy who went to the Post Office to pick up his mail. Postmaster told him, "The train was late so yesterday's mail wasn't delivered until today, and today's mail will be delivered tomorrow - maybe."
Work safe
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, a Happy Valentines Day to all with sweethearts ‘n wives. A toast: May they nevAH meet! CHEERS!
So, you radiant beauty, let's get on with where we left off, shall we <blush> Of course I'm talking about a Larsman hero sandwich of ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two extra large ‘n crunchy pickles from the barrel. Treats for the crittAHs ‘n when you're done feedin' ‘em Boris, take that LARGE jar of PPF back to your shed ‘n "go for it"!!
A round on the Manager ‘n of course keep the change!
A bit too much material for me to make any meaningful comment on since my last visit. Let me just offer that many thanks go out to the "core - plus one" of this fine establishment for keeping on keeping on - that's Pete - Rob - Eric - Shane ‘n Allan with honorable mention to the periphery guys, who know who they are.
Did pick up on the "Contest" so let me submit my guesstimate: March 21st for Cap'n Tom . . . Sorry Fergie, you gotta READ all the woIds in ordAH to play the game!
Of course couldn't help but notice some fine material from Cap'n Tom (surprise of suprises!) That was some effort with the London subway series, along with so many, many othAHs! Also another fine S-Capades post! And can't forget the drumheads - it goes on ‘n on!
Still irks me a lot to notice the ignorance-factAH still alive ‘n well at the bar when some just refuse to make mention of your efforts.
I'm going to drop off another round of book covAHs from the Larsman Mobile, then get going with the mattAHs that require my attention. Sarge The Mrs. is barking ordAHs as I type . . . <groan>
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Twin Cities by Trolley
Lima - The History
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Southern Pacific Historic Diesels
Soo Line - From Michigan to Montana
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And now for the "other shoe" - this is my final post at the bar, at least for the foreseeable futAH. As explained to Cap'n Tom over the phone ‘n by email (which probably has been forwarded to the "core group"), circumstances have ganged up on me ‘n I'm simply no longAH able to devote the time it takes for full participation ‘round here.
Best to the gang at "Our" Place, MOST ESPECIALLY to all who have stuck it out thru thick ‘n thin over the two-plus years since I first walked through those doors. Many have come ‘n gone, but guys like Pete, Eric ‘n Shane have nevAH given up on the place - not evAH. They've NEVAH been rude, ignorant or lacking in the social graces to ACKNOWLEDGE the works of othAHs - especially the efforts of our leader, Cap'n Tom! A GOLD 5- to youse guyz!
Finally caught up with the Posts from last nite ‘n early this AM . . . so, where were we
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - Feb 13th: <all times Central standard>
Page 184 - Allan (Gunneral) at 7:55 PM: No doubt that the Oregon Electric Railway restaurant is indeed a fine place to dine - first time for me was in 1987. The bride has never been there, so when we are in Eugene this spring, we'll be sure to take it in - most probably twice.
Yes, when Ford acquired Jaguar <and Land Rover>, I'm sure it shook the national psyche in the UK pretty much the way it must've happened in Sweden in Jan 1998 when Volvo cars was bought out. An American company actually OWNING those "standards" of the Euro auto industry. But nothing remains the same in this old world of ours ‘n now as the tides have gone out on the U.S. auto manufacturers, there's talk of "sell" in the air. Ford has announced that it will divest itself of those Euro cars once a suitable buyer can be found.
An aspect of the Can-Am trainroom ‘n layouts is that they've all been melded into what we say ‘n do at "Our" Place. So that when any of the guys visit, well - it's almost like an extension of what we do here. Pretty unique, I'd say - but great fun. I'm sure you'd get a kick out of it. Of course, one can't really take in all of the sights ‘n sounds without visiting the beer fridge . . . <uh oh>
Fifteen is no way, no how justified for personal responsibility when behind the wheel of a car. Crazy - absolutely crazy. Shame on those who came up with that hair brained idea . . . <barf> Let ‘em ride the buses - after all you're paying taxes to run ‘em! <geesh> When I see lines ‘n lines of traffic in the AM ‘round here, mostly driven by kids going to school it occurs to me that we the taxpayers are getting ripped off, big time. We pay for the roads - we pay for the schools - we pay for the EXTRA parking lots required to hold the cars of the "little darlings" ‘n of course pay for the half-full school buses burning all of that expensive petrol. <triple barf>
Well, I'm WOUND TIGHT this day! <grin> So, best knock it off . . .
Email received 'n chin is UP! <grin> Thanx . . .
Thanx for the visit, < I3 > Post ‘n ROUND!
Page 184 - Nick (nickinwestwales) at 8:04 PM: Not complaining, but surprised at the vigor of your visits to the Bar by the Ballast. You're back in full-form, so it seems.
WHAT A MAN! Kinda hoped you'd "jump" at the opportunity to escort Helga to The Second Class Saloon for a "big <understatement> nite out! I hear Spyrogira ‘n the Green Slugs are performing tonite . . .
The saying goes ‘round here is somewhat similar - ". . . . if it doesn't wiggle." <grin>
Mere mention of the Big Bopper brings to mind some happy thoughts from my early adulthood . . . saw J.P. Richardson perform at a few New York City Rock ‘n Roll shows, hosted by Alan Freed <NY DJ supreme of the day>
Guess he's <Big Bopper> more known for two things: Chantilly Lace <1958 song> and being one of several victims in a 1959 plane crash <Buddy Holly ‘n Ritchie Valens died that day too>. Which of course some say became immortalized in lyrics when Don McLean came up with American Pie, which was rumored to be the name of the plane that went down. The song was a tribute to those three perfomers - Buddy Holly being the most notable. Yeah, you flicked a switch with that one . . .
Many thanx for your "report" on your brief holiday with loved ones . . . those have to be the best of times. Cherish ‘em Mate, time has a way of movin' on . . .
Can only imagine the exhilaration of just thinking about being in the cab - in control - and so forth. Yeah, there still are some decent chaps about - just have to seek ‘em out, or they you. Too many people cluttering up the opportunities, methinks. <groan>
So you're a 2nd time book reader too, eh I really "dig" reading ‘em again - not all mind you, but those that have a certain "captivation" of mind ‘n spirit. Let a bunch of years pass by ‘n it's almost as if you're reading it for the first time. Wonder if it's like that with old flames . . . <uh oh> Just wondering - nothing more! <geesh>
Looking forward to the "report" of the "date" - whataguy!
Many thanx for the fine contribution to the day's material - really a "positive" having you back - ROUND appreciated, as always! ]
Page 184 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:09 PM:
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
First car was a '56 Dodge 2-door hardtop. Hardtop. That's what they called a car without pillars.
It was always the first thing to move when the light turned green. Radio played Motown, 4 Seasons
Beach Boys, Roger Miller and British invasion stuff . I can't get no Satisfaction.
Oregon Electric page shows a sleeping car there
http://www.pdxhistory.com/html/oregon_electric.html
Speaking of restaurants...
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It's THAT day ‘n if you've no idea - then I'd suggest you remain at the bar ‘til at least Monday IF you have a woman in your life! . .
Order up a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board - check out The Mentor Village bakery case ‘n of course fill up your coffee mug!
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By the by guyz - would appreciate it if every now ‘n then those of you who provide fotos give a visit to "my other Thread" just to drop ONE off. Especially if you note that there's been considerable time between visits . . . THANX! Of course, y'all are welcome to visit, if only to drop off a word or three . . .
Also, should you visit other Threads, please consider inviting those you think may be interested in joining us for a session at the bar. Really need to keep building the clientele, guys. Just think of those we've lost ‘n are losing . . .
CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST
When will we reach Page 200
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Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!
Example: March 17th - Nick.
Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.
Participants thus far:
(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)
(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)
(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)
(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)
(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)
Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th
Page 183 - Mike (wanswheel) at 7:53 AM: VW Beetle heat was never a problem - even in summer. <ugh> Volvo is as Swedish as Eric - just doesn't say so anymore.
Round appreciated.
Page 184 - Pete (pwolfe) at 4:03 PM: Two days with long periods of drought - this keeps up ‘n I'm gonna go back to every other day with the acknowledgments . . .
NO, NO, NO - I'm not going anywhere tonite other than "out" with my bride . . . H&H can "use" Rob as they see fit. <yikes> To do otherwise is to lend credibility to being SNOOKERED - by YOU ‘n Rob.
In my experiences the only other body of water that might rival the Channel might be the Florida Straits - extremely crowded ‘n one needs many "eyes" to navigate it safely . . .
You've got some Email . . . One received from you - thanx!
Nice fotos with narratives!
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, just a double cheeseburger, please.
Kind of quiet day today here at the bar! But still some interesting stuff to check out.
Fergie – Hope you made it back home from school before the storm hit. Tom – So you met Helga in Southamton???! Then you two have a lot to talk about on your date!!Volvo will very likely be bought by some Swedish investors pretty soon according to what I've heard. Some models are built in Ghent, Belgium, and some in Gothenburg, Sweden, where Volvo’s Headquarter is located. As a matter of fact, Volvo had an assembly plant in Halifax a number of years ago! Rob thinks it was closed 15-20 years ago. Volvo V70 is built both in Gothenburg and Ghent. More info on this link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_CarsInteresting to see how you built that S-gauge layout, especially since I have seen it finished and in operation. Looking forward to next week!
Received email, thank you!Mike – You are right about Volvo! Very Swedish.Pete – Yes, now I remember. The Jubilee Line got its name from the Queen’s Silver Jubilee! http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/jubilee/I took a quick look but could not find ny pictures of OE sleeping cars. I will try again later. In the book I have, I found a picture of a sleeping car of the Interstate Public Service Company. They had three sleeping cars that operated between Louisville and Indianapolis for eight years. Illinois Railway Museum has an interurban sleeping car from Illinois Terminal. Wish Doug was here to tell us more about it. More snowy photos! Thanks for showing!Allan – I agree, that restaurant is a great place to visit! I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again, I have to check if I can find any photos from my visit. I will keep an eye on that Tornado site to see when things are starting to happen! Nick – Seems like you had a pretty nice and interesting Monday afternoon at Guildford station! Ferocious acceleration? Electrics usually have a good acceleration. As an instructor I used to demonstrate max acceleration of a Class Rc1 electric locomotive when we were doing the ATC-training. Just the loco and starting from 0 with full power was like getting a very hard kick in the back. 0-100 km’h took just a few seconds. Very impressive (and fun)! Thanks for your report! Class Rc1, Swedish State Railways. The more modern Rc2-Rc6 (look the same) have anti-spin curcuits that will limit the acceleration.
Rob – Thanks for the info on the Volvo assembly plant in Halifax! Yeah, they (the Volvos) tend to last. I bought a brand new Volvo 740 in 1985, drove it for ten years, sold it to my boss and he is still driving it. Eric
Good evening Leon , I think keith's will do me this evening I leave a bit extra should Nick survive his "date".
Tom-What's to say looks like we both have survived not having to go on that date. Bless Nick he should have free booze for at least a couple hours whatdyathink
Just a ton of good info in those three 20fingers- esk posts on the tube 5xI must admit I got a giggle from the bit about them finding parts on ebay. Imagine being paid by a major transit company to scour ebay for spare parts,a dream job for some I suppose.
When your in your LHS's look at the new model power cars in HO alot of what you once had are available accept for the Studebaker,though I'm sure that someone must make a Champion.Nice to see part three of the S-capades again,I'm still amazed at the neat wiring harnesses they have for them.BTW got teh emails responded to one already
Just wondering did you have the big afro perm to go along with the platform shoes and wide collored,polyester leisure suit from your disco days (daze)
Fergie-I hope you missd the worst of that filthy weather I know we got hammered pretty good again yesterday
Allan-I confuse easily at anyrate,must make travel abroad a nightmare with that much time difference,would make trip planning a bit of a logistical nightmare as well.
Eric-Again thanks for teh dmu info at least soem were saved for posterity. The Volvo plant that was in halifax/Dartmouth closed many years ago,Fergie could likely give you the exact date but it has to be 15 or twenty years now.I remeber the reasons given at teh time was lack of sales,that plant was supposed to supply the needs of the North American market,but it was actually overproducing for the demand so the production was moved back to Europe.The cars just alst too long. Funny story my Aunt had an ols 240 wagon bought it new in 1981 or 82.She had always maintained it to teh specs at teh dealership in Kingston where she lives. In 1994 she had a transmitiion failure an figured it was time to trade it in,it was a minor fix and they sent her on the way the salesman she spoke to at the time about the trade was the same guy she bought the car from in the first place. He told her why there was nothing wrong with her car so she drove it until last summer when she did trade it in on a new wagon ( yup same salesman )
Pete-That was an interesting engine in that photo. That company is called Larry's Truck Electric. They buy old loco's refurbish them and then lease them out to shortlines industries sometimes mainline rail companies as well. That particular loco is by the looks of it anyway an SW1200,probably built originally in the late 50's by EMD. great shots of that steam train in the snow,I'm sure it was a tough chore having to weather the weather in the pub while they serviced the loco
Dave-Good to see you back again. I wonder if any of those ugly GP40TR's still exist today,I ahd heard that a few of them had been sold to Boise/MPI for rebuilding into green goats or whatever else they are frankenbuilding at their plant.Thanks for the follow up info on those interurbans. I remeber seeing some photo's of those two sleeper ones after they were sold to PGE, their motors were removed and PGE used them as regular passenger cars for many years.
Nick-Sounds like you had an enjoyable week,no arrests and a date with Helga what more could one ask for.I do hope your photo's trun out and that you got an address or phone number for that wonderfull crewman sounds like you found that one in a million "old school" railroader
Rob
Well good evening my lovelies and a happy valentines day to you all...hmmm-perhaps I should approach this a bit differently........well-you know what I mean.......................
Just passed Helga on the way in-assumed she was on her way to another modelling gig for a surgical appliance catalog until I read the last few days pages--TOM-you are turning down the chance of a lifetime there mate -however ,in deference to your finer feelings (coupled with my widely known willingness to *%$! a snake if I can find a way to prop open the jaws) I am more than happy to act as your champion in this matter ( to quote the ,sadly very mortal,Big Bopper-"Well helloooo BABY"...... )
O.K then-Leon a large and soothing bottle of Starop please dear boy,for `tis been a long few days-set `em up for the regular barflys and my hot date for the night (ooh-the anticipation....)will have the Keith Richards pre-show cocktail ( 8oz vodka,1oz cranberry juice) with her own personal twist-the faintest soupcon of methylated spirit.............and a bag of chilli chips to nibble on.
The highlight of the roadtrip was monday afternoon,when the girls(Missisnick,her mum & small Hannah) went ice skating after depositing me outside the main entrance to Guildford station,camera in hand.
Had assumed that this would be a fairly quiet outpost where I could wander onto the platform more or less unnoticed and take the odd snap of passing trains between chapters of an improving book (Bill Bryson`s "Notes from a small island"-as good this time round as on first reading ) however-this was not to be-the whole place is hyper security concious,all platform access is tightly controlled-enquiries to the ticket attendant resulted in calls to the station master and a reluctant issue of a pass on the condition that I make no pix of the South-west trains logo or any members of staff.........go figure...
Once inside the fence,the following discoveries were made-1-its a bloody big station-8 platforms (1 is a N. facing bay,2 is a thru road,although most services seem to be ex-london trains that terminate and reverse via a crossover at the N. end,3,4&5 are thru London -Portsmouth and return,6 is down Reading-Gatwick,7 is not used (the other side of a single track served by 6) and 8 is the return up Gatwick-Reading. 2-quiet-in the 2 hours i spent there there was a train at least every 5 minutes--the principal server is the above mentioned S.W.T whose trains wear a delightfully vivid range of liveries-a mix of candy-apple red,a rich mid blue or a startling white with blue trim in a variety of formations-either 3 car,5 car or multiples of 4 cars-the Gatwick services are run by First Great Western ( the franchise on the Paddington-Wales/West country lines) who favour a purple/pink livery not unlike the early GO Train colours,before they switched to the `toothpaste` mint green and white.
All trains run on 3rd rail electric and are clean,almost silent and have ferocious acceleration away from a stop.
Luckily it was one of those rare spring days when there was not a cloud in the sky and I`m hoping I have caught some good pix-the low angle of the sun was lighting the stock perfectly and once I`d figured this and got across to platform 7/8 I should have the light behind me-we shall see.....
To add some human interest ,when I first arrived and was checking out locations for pix ,I fell into conversation with the driver of the 13.45 up to Waterloo who allowed as he would be quite happy to spend a couple of hours sitting in the sun taking pix and would I like to take the train up to the smoke and back instead of him-Lordy,if I thought he had meant it.........(ok-push the lever forward for go and pull it back for stop,red means stop,yellow means slow down,green means line clear.............) was really helpful about where I might find some freight action (not there sadly) and I suspect,would have given me a ride in the cab up to wherever it was (gawd bless ya mate..) is nice to know that there is still a link between drivers and `anoraks` like myself -a pint for you mate anytime you are passing !!!!!!!
Well chaps-please excuse the rudeness but I am too spangled after spending all afternoon driving at 95 mph into the setting sun (and seeing the sun go down behind the Port Talbot steelworks thru a haze of pollution is like being on the set of Bladerunner) to do the proper I3 thing (although there is loads of good stuff there that I am determined to catch up on )-the one comment I will make is --V.W`s---just gotta love `em .................
Right-looks like my hot date has finished her drink(fancy a nightcap sweetie-what-just the meths then...whatya mean we are goin dancing-the Mentor Palace Ballroom-you mean it`s still open ?--Boris-follow at a distance -I may have need of you later-wish me luck chaps-TOM-remember-I`m doing this for you.....................................
Take care my darlings-speak soon,Nick
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please.
Rob. It can be like living in a time warp down here in NZ, we are 17hrs ahead of US Eastern Standard Time so the time factor can be a bit confusing at times`. Sorry to hear you will not be making it to Rendezvous III, I would have loved to have made it there too. Enjoyed all the info and pics in your posts.
Eric. That diner at Eugene sounds a great place to visit. Thanks for that link to the Tornado loco site, it wiil be really great to see a brand new Pacific steam loco running again soon, Peppercorn was the last of the LNER engineers at the BR Nationalisation in 1948, he was a prodigy of Sir Nigel Gresley who produced the Flying Scotsman and the famous A4 streamlined Pacifics, the Tornado will be a very nostalgic loco. Nice pic and info on those DMU`s,, our local Tyneside electric trains were the same colour in the 50`s.
Mike. Was in with a great selection of URL`s on Abe Lincoln and NY pics and a great link to an old Brit railway book, thanks for that mate.
CM3. Was in with some interesting details on Mikes URL`s.
Pete. Will have a search to see if their`s a link to the "Locomotion" NRM outpost at all. Most of my old school mates ended up working at Swan Hunters or Parsons Steam Turbine works in Wallsend, their were also two other big yards in the local area, North Eastern Marine and Vickers Naval Yard, Swan Hunters is no more now! Enjoyed all your write up`s and pics, nice pics of West Country #34027 trip and the DMU with lots of Tom`s favourite snow.
Dave. Some very interesting info on the Oregon Electric that Eric mentioned, that`s what`s so great about "Our" place.
Fergie. Was back aboard, hope your weather is improving.
Tom. Enjoyed your comments about all the cars you`ve owned, even Jaguar is a Ford product now and Land Rover too, who`d have thought! Really enjoyed your very informative write up on the London Tube system, it was very comprehensive and full of detail, at Piccadilly Circus interchange you had to make real sure you followed the line colour code system or else you went around in ever decreasing circles! Nice lot of pics of your S-Capades RR, no wonder Pete loves coming to visit you so often, you must have a great time together at your place? You will be amazed to hear that 15yrs is the age you can get a driving licence in NZ, which is far to young in most peoples thinking, the farming lobby group in NZ, which is VERY strong politically, supports this age so their kids can drive themselves to High school from the rural areas` instead of hanging around for the school bus service. Hope you are going to get LOTS of that WHITE stuff!
See ya, Allan
Hi Tom and all.
DAVE Many thanks for the info on the Oregon electric cars. They certainly seem to be very well built cars.
ERIC I believe the Jubilee line got its name from the Queens Silver Jubilee of her reign in 1977 although I am not altogether certain.
Many thanks for the info on the DMUS; it is good that quite a few of those good-looking cars have been preserved. I hope some of the plain baggage cars were saved.
Surely you would come out in the snow to travel behind the steam locomotive in the photos later on in the post.
It seems the mystery of the Oregon Electric sleeping cars has been solved; it would be great to find out what happened to them in service with the Pacific Great Eastern Railway. I wonder if there are any photos existing of the sleeping cars in service with OE.
Thanks for photo of the PE car.
MIKE Many thanks for the link to that old British railway book. I will have a good look after I have posted this.
TOM Let me get this right, the double date with Helga and Rob with Hilda is on, and it will involve a disco.
Yes I was lucky to find that photo of # 8786 an old looking diesel to me, it was not running at the time and my guess it was being used by those who are working on the track in the area. I wonder if I can get the bride to go down to Pat's to see if it is still there.
I do enjoy traveling on the Underground when it runs overground away from Central London. Yes I have heard the Channel is one of the busiest waterways in the world.
Many thanks for the next installment of the building of the S-Capades. The locomotives and stock look good even on the bare boards. That is a great job with the hand painted kits especially when the photo is enlarged.
I hoped you would enjoy the photo of the Class 156 DMU in the snow. The 156s were built by Metro-Cammell and to me the best of the 2nd generation of BR DMUs, before the faster 158s came in. They must have been a good unit as they were trusted with the Kyle and the far north line in the highlands of Scotland.
The reason we were at Sheffield was we were on a steam tour. The tour was named The Yorkshireman and was on February 23rd 1994. The steam loco was Ex Southern Railway rebuilt West Country class 4-6-2 No 34027 TAW VALLEY. We traveled by service trains to Banbury where we picked up the special
34027 arriving at Banbury.
There was a problem with watering the locomotive at Derby and the snow was getting worse. An hour was allowed for watering so we went to the Brunswick Arms just down from Derby Station, we could see the loco in a bay being watered so as it got delayed we had more beer. After the loco moved off to rejoin the train we dashed off to catch it. In reaching Sheffield with the late running and the deteriorating weather it was decided to turn the train there instead of going on to Leeds as was the plan. The steam loco was due to come off at Leeds so we had a bit of a wait while the diesel came from Leeds. It was a wise decision as the weather was worst north of Sheffield
Well RUTH it is a bit quiet in the barso I 'll join you with another Bathams, I belive Eric is buying till this evening.
Pete.
Here's Part III of the Building of the S-Capades for this Wednesday's OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day!
S-Helper <ShowCase Line> MoPac F7A
Control center <note: wiring has been routed beneath the layout>
IC & MoPac
Landscaping begins with a tunnel <"blocked" to idle a complete train>
Completed structures from wood kits <hand painted>
More next week <maybe>!
Tom
You can take the Volvo out of Sweden but you can't take Sweden out of the Volvo.
My ''74 Super Beetle was green. It could do over 80 on the parkway. How do you turn the heater off? I was duct taping the vents for temporary relief.
Fergie, thanks for the compact post to repy to, very helpful believe it or not.
Sandow Mertes for CM3
http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0014/s001469.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=UqdMgXghj4oC&pg=PA29&dq=sam+mertes&lr=&as_brr=3&sig=Clemx0x1jp7zqgdrmHUXPV0Ch50
And a very old book that might be of interest to Pete, DL, Allan and Nick
http://books.google.com/books?id=LtpAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR7&dq=%22our+home+railways%22+++contents&as_brr=3#PPR8,M1
Wednesday's Witticism
Remember "back in the day" when you heard the older generation speak of "How fast time flies," And you thought, "What are they talking about " Well, guess what - it does! Here we are once again at mid-week in mid-continent USA where it's nearly mid-month. <yikes>
That smell is our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee just waiting for you. While you're at it, check out the pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n if you've got the appetite, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! That should help begin the day on the right foot . . .
HELP WANTED!
Some HELP:
Eric (EricX2000) turned the Page to 150 on Dec 5th , 2007
Mike (wanswheel) got us to Page 100 on Aug 23rd
Pete (pwolfe) helped us reach Page 50 on April 15th
Tuesday - Feb 12th: <all times Central standard>
Page 183 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:46 AM ‘n 9:06 AM: One of the "things" I thought would be fun to do was to collect model cars for each one I owned - same colors, of course ‘n all in the same scale. I began in earnest to seek out a manufacturer to meet my needs. Never found one - not one either in "brick ‘n mortar" environments ‘round the country, or in the Ether. Even if I slacked off on my criteria, for example - size, I still couldn't locate one of each. Did this over a period of years, but never succeeded so I forgot about it <fuhgedaboudit>. <groan> Still think it would be "neat" to have a display case with those cars of mine . . . <ahhhhhhh>
So let me get this straight - YOU are proposing a double date This is supposed to be your way of getting out of that <tweeting> OR being such a great guy, eh
Good Morning Captain Tom and Sundry
What's this I here... Rob and Helga??? A set up I think, on Rob's part no less as Rob would neva get tweeted accidently would he?
As to the Contest put me down for the 21st of March please and Thanks
And speaking of Tweeting I'll have a Western with extra Mayo with a side order of Home made Molasses beans and Brown Bread.
Tom got the e-mail and I'm interested to say the least, very interested!
Anyway time to get ready for class and schools across the province have been closed again today (Monday was a Closed School Day too) in anticipation of a Winter snow, Freezezing rain and Heavy Rain fall warning type kinda storm later today.
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Good vening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon,a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich, please! The usual to drink! Drinks are on me from now until tomorrow evening! We have to celebrate our 34th Monthiversary!!!
We are getting close to Our 3rd Anniversary! Any plans?
Mike – Considering my short memory (0.2 sec.) I am not surprised that I missed the 34th Monthly Anniversary last night. Not at all. I guess Manager Lars is busy in the Keys. I hope he (and the Mrs.) has a good time in the sun!Interesting pictures of long gone days around Manhattan! President Lincoln 199th birthday! And the train President Lincoln! Very interesting preview of the book “Manhattan’s Lost Streetcars”!CM3 – Those DMUs are long gone now. The photo is from 1967-68. Quite a few have been preserved though. Tom – Volvo is still very much a product of Sweden. Most of them are built and developed in Gothenburg, some are built in Belgium and a few other places. Like my Grand Marquis, built in Canada. London Underground! Very classic indeed. I have to check if I have any photos from the Underground. I have been riding it several times. I remember the Jubilee Line from my visit in 1979. If I recall correctly it was named the Jubilee Line because of the Queen something. DL, Nick or Pete probably know more about the Jubilee Line. A lot of interesting information!!! Rob – Those DMUs are/were light weight, built for less busy branch lines. They are now retired but some have been preserved. Pete – In the photo one can only see a combined baggage and passenger car and they have a driving position in one end. The plain baggage car in the first photo is shorter and does not have any controls. It is usually coupled between two DMUs. As I already explained above, all those DMUs are now out of service. Quite a few have been preserved though. A cold, snowy photo from Sheffield! Days like those I try to stay inside. Thanks for the photo!Dave – According to a book I have, "The Electric Interurban Railways in America" did Oregon Electric buy two sleeping cars in 1912 from the Barney and Smith Car Company. They were used between Portland and Eugene (143 miles) and the traveling time was scheduled for six hours. They were taken out of service 1928 and sold to Pacific Great Eastern Railway in British Columbia.
Not a sleeping car. Pacific Electric #418.
Eric
Good day gents, round for all, on Helga of course :
Tom:
Very interesting your 3 part London Underground, and to think I thought it was a night spot to bed Boris down!!!! I suppose similar info is available for domestic transit systems.
Rob:
Yep, those would be the creatures, after Amtrak had no further use for them, they were purchased by locomotive dealer VMI and leased for freight service to the SP, they were common toward the end in my neck of the woods, replete with Amtrak paint and numbers in most cases and really stood out because the were clean!!!
Ok to the subject interurban sleepers, specifically Oregon Electric. To my knowledge none existed, parlor car yes, but this was keeping in time with similar services offered by the SN and PE until the early 30's. The OE was completely abandoned by 1940, abandoments of local lines had been ongoing for years. The wooden fleet was largly scrapped, the big steel motors initially were purchased and relocated for East Bay service in Northern California until that too was abandoned in 1940. They languished in scrap for several years until purchased by the US Maritime Commision for the use of ship yard workers at Terminal Island in Southern California. Overhauled by PE these monsters impressed shop man and management alike, thus when deemed surplus, all 67 cars were incorported into the PE roster. I have yet to uncover any evidence that despite extensive rebuildings and reconfigurations by many owners over many years, any that served orginally in a sleeper capacity for the OE or any other western interurban system.
Eric:
I say that GN 4-8-4 is a most impressive machine, doomed to die young as they were deemed not suitable for freight service due to those 80 inch drivers and roller coaster profile. Too Bad this can't be the subject of a restoration, I doubt will see big steam rolling out on the main as we did just a decade ago, given the current climate of the business and insurance preminums...
I neglected to address the various subject matters put forth by CM3, Waynswheel, Allan, trust that I shall endevor to pose a intelligent response when able....
Until later
Dave
A Pint of Holden's Special please RUTH.
ALLAN Really glad you are enjoying the Shildon photos. I will have to get to Shildon when I am over the old land, as they have built a new museum there as an outpost of the NRM called ‘Locomotion'.
Sadly I have only seen Blyth from the train on the special and from the bus windows on the shed visits. I remember the Geordie, I used to work with, telling me about Whitley Bay he said it was a nice place but could be pretty cold with the east wind off the North Sea.
We did have a visit from my works to the Swan Hunter shipyard many years ago it was in winter and remember it was a cold we were not used to being from the Midlands.
Did you see the Rugby 7s from San Diego; I see NZ won the cup.
ROB Real glad you have offered to accompany Tom and Helga with Hilda, I am sure it will be lot more successful than the double date Vito the Hit set up for them a while ago.
Yes I am learning to recognize some of the American locomotives, by a coincidence there was this locomotive at Jeff City this morning, I have seen locos like this in photos at Our Place but not on the main line.
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I had not got my camera with me and it would be hard to get a decent photo as there was a lot of stuff in the way, but I found the photo of the locomotove 8786 photo on the web.
ERIC It is because of the long numbers that us Brit spotters have a notebook and a black bag to carry it in.
It is good to see those locomotives used for switching at the shops were in such a clean condition.
Many thanks for the explanation and the photo of the baggage car in yesterday's photo. It seems from the photo that the baggage cars have a driving position at just the one end and the DMU at both ends, I guess the baggage cars can be turned on the turntable outside that great half roundhouse if needed.
Yes I have following the development of the building of the new A1 locomotive, thanks for the link to that most up to date info on the locomotive. It is indeed an amazing project and many thanks to those who have seen it through from an idea that more than one thought was impossible. I am sure the Great Central Railway will get a lot of folks there to see her running in and to get to travel behind her. It will be very interesting to see if she will be allowed to run at 90 MPH on the main line the present speed limit for steam is 75 MPH.
MIKE For remembering the Anniversary of Our Place today.
Many thanks for those great old photos of New York and the great links. Really enjoyed the Manhattan's Lost Streetcars one with the great text and photos.
CM3 Thanks for the details on Mike's photos and links.
TOM Yes HELGA is pretty desperate after the disappointment of her last date. I'm afraid since she found out it was our worthy proprietor who won her hand, so to speak, she is quite struck with the idea.
Yes that Sleeping Car on the Oregon Electric Railway has got me intrigued, it would be good to know more hopefully the link will attract some answers.
I agree with what you said about mobile phones and drivers especially teenagers I see in a survey 47% admitted TEXTING while driving.
Great reading on the London Underground, I have always been fascinated by the old lines and abandoned stations. Alan gets a magazine, which deals solely with the railways in the London area. I believe the mileposts on LT are taken from zero at Onger station which is no longer part of the Underground system with the LT trains stopping at Epping, I was able to travel the line, which just ran at peak times,
Ruth, go ahead 'n take off . . . Yeah, I saw a couple of guys "peeking in the windows" . . . . call this day a loss. <geesh>
The finale . . . .
Now arriving on Track # 3
Classic Transit - Number Three
London Underground
Part III of III
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Information NOT corroborated.
Delays
The Underground is notorious for its many delays. According to statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the average commuter on the Metropolitan Line wasted three days, 10 hours and 25 minutes in 2006 due to delays (not including missed connections). Figures for September-October 2006 show that 211 train services were delayed by more than 15 minutes for that period. However, passengers are entitled to a refund if their journey is delayed by 15 minutes or more due to circumstances within the control of TFL.
Station access
Escalators at Bank station on the Northern Line.
Accessibility by people with mobility problems was not considered when most of the system was built, and older stations are inaccessible to disabled people. More recent stations were designed for accessibility, but retrofitting accessibility features to old stations is at best prohibitively expensive and technically extremely difficult, and often impossible. Even when there are already escalators or lifts, there are often steps between the lift or escalator landings and the platforms.
Most stations on the surface require use of at least a short flight of stairs to gain access from street level, and the great majority of stations sited underground require use of stairs or some of the system's 410 escalators (each going at a speed of 145 ft per minute, approximately 1.65 miles per hour). There are also some lengthy walks and further flights of steps required to gain access to platforms.
Some of the escalators in Underground stations are among the longest in Europe and all are custom-built. They run 20 hours a day, 364 days a year, with 95% of them operational at any one time, and can cope with 13,000 people per hour. Convention and signage stipulate that people using escalators on the Underground stand on the right-hand side so as not to obstruct those who walk past them on the left.
TfL produces a map indicating which stations are accessible, and the more recent (2004) line maps indicate with a wheelchair symbol those stations that provide step-free access from street level. Step height from platform to train is up to 200 mm, and there can be a large gap between the train and curved platforms. Only the Jubilee Line Extension is completely accessible.
TfL plans that by 2020 there should be a network of over 100 fully accessible stations. This consists of those already accessible (recently built or rebuilt, and a handful of suburban stations that happen to have level access) along with selected 'key stations', which will be rebuilt. These key stations have been chosen due to high usage, interchange potential, and geographic spread, so that up to 75% of journeys will be achievable step-free.
Safety
Westminster station - extensive structures are required to support Portcullis House above.
Suicides
Most fatalities on the network are suicides. Most plat
Been over 2 hours since Part I with no customers . . . so may as well continue on . . .
Part II of III
Infrastructure
Zone 1 (central zone) of the Underground network in a more geographically accurate layout than the usual Tube map, using the same style
The Underground does not run 24 hours a day, because all track maintenance must be done at night, after the system closes. First trains on the network start operating shortly after 05:00, running until around 01:00. Unlike systems such as the New York City Subway, few parts of the Underground have express tracks that would allow trains to be routed around maintenance sites. Recently, greater use has been made of weekend closures of parts of the system for scheduled engineering work.
Rolling stock
1996 Tube Stock trains stabled at Stratford Market Depot
The Underground uses rolling stock built between 1960 and 2005. Stock on sub-surface lines is identified by a letter (such as A Stock, used on the Metropolitan Line), while tube stock is identified by the year in which it was designed (for example, 1996 Stock, used on the Jubilee Line). All lines are worked by a single type of stock except the District Line, which uses both C and D Stock. Two types of stock are currently being developed - 2009 Stock for the Victoria Line and S stock for the sub-surface lines, with the Metropolitan Line A Stock being replaced first. Rollout of both is expected to begin about 2009.
Stations
The Underground serves 274 stations, including Regent's Park tube station (closed for reconstruction until June 2007) and Shoreditch (closed, but served by a replacement bus service, until Shoreditch High Street station opens as part of the East London Line Extension). Fourteen Underground stations are outside Greater London, of which five (Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chesham, Chorleywood, Epping) are beyond the M25 London Orbital motorway.
Lines
The Underground is one of the few railways electrified on the four-rail system. In addition to the two running rails there are two rails that supply power to the trains, one outside the running rails electrified at +420 V DC, the other in the middle at -210 V, producing a
Here's one that's been in the hopper for quite awhile - required some reformatting 'n so forth along with breaking it up into THREE PARTS . . . so sit back 'n enjoy! Oh yeah, don't forget to order something while reading thru . . .
Part I of III
Locale
Greater London and Chiltern, Epping Forest, Three Rivers, Watford
Transit type
Electrified Metro Railway
Began operation
1863
System length
408 km / 253 miles
No. of lines
12
No. of stations
275 served (253 owned)
Daily ridership
2.7 million (approximate)
Track gauge
1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in)
Operator
Transport for London
The London Underground is an all-electric railway system that covers much of Greater London and some neighbouring areas. It is the world's oldest underground system, and is one of the largest in terms of route length. Services began on January 10 1863 on the Metropolitan Railway; most of that initial route is now part of the Hammersmith & City Line. Despite its name, about 55% of the network is above ground. Popular local names include the Underground and, more colloquially, the Tube, in reference to the cylindrical shape of the system's deep-bore tunnels.
The Underground serves 275 stations and runs over 408 km (253 miles) of line. There are a number of former stations and tunnels that are closed. In 2004-2005, total passenger journeys reached a record number of 976 million, an average of 2.67 million per day.
Since 2003, the Underground has been part of Transport for London (TfL), which also administers Greater London's buses, including the famous red double-deckers, and carries out numerous other transport-related functions. The former London Underground Limited was a subsidiary of London Regional Transport, a statutory corporation.
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Ruth another stiff coffee please No Boris i don't want you to put it outside <sheesh> thought hat would work today.Hmm two more in while I was two finger typing oh well such is the way in the bar.
Tom-Nope her sights are set on you not unlike a bloodhound on Boris's socks,tell you what I'll be the big man about it ,and escort you two with Hilda ( she's a much bigger handfull anyway ) oh BTW Hilda says she can fix those piles for you , something a bout a quick jab and flick with her nailfile and a sealing with a bic lighterBesides Guido sez so, so we'll all four of us have a wonderfull night at the second class ( who knows we may get a couple of the locals there to take them off our hands )
Nice to remenice about the first cars ,mine was an Orange '74 AMC Hornet what can I say it cost $300 when I turned 18 so it was only fourteen years old at the time.Ran it for two yeasr actually trouble free the thing just wouldn't die I sold it for a profit so what the heck.Funny enough my best freind had a green Gremlin at the same time ( couldn't be any colour but )I noticed that the last time I was in a hobby shop that there is a company making HO scale Pinto's Pacers,Gremlin's and Hornets,unfortunalty the Hornet is the same shade as the one I owned so I guess I'll buy it for posterity sake.
CM3-Glad to see you make it in this morning as well. I have no clue about your question so I'll wait with baited breath the answer.
Morning everyone. Hey Ruth how are you , I know fairing until you can fly south again.Well I think i'll have the medium octane BK coffee and a number three lease as always keep the change ( gotta build up the tip jar for your next southern trip )Speaking of octane it's a bit cooler today somehow than even yesterday,though cool is a relitive term when one is dealing with single digits and below. gas prices dropped a bit overnight to just under 98 cents a litre, getting close to the WVA prices per gallon.
Eric-Ah yes I remember West coast Dave talking about that restaurant at one point over on the old thread,I think he even sent some photo's along of when it was still a depot.Nice to see old stations and depots re-used after their rail use is over,beats tearing them down in my estimation. The old CPR /TH&B station here in Brantford has been two different restaurants since it's closure as a railway building,currently some reno's are happeneing ( the last restaurant closed five years ago )so we await to see what opens in there this time.
Nice additonal pic from the old country, those DMU's almost look like the light weight steel interurbans the Indiana railway used to operate _ from the sides and the ends.
Mike-Yes indeed another birthday here at Our Palce good of you to notice . Some interesting stuff in the urls this morning,loved the construction shot of the Hudson tubes Nice shots of the harbour as well,even a bit of baseball and Lincoln memorials to wind out a mixed bag fer sure fer sure.
Those differential cars aer indeed similar.alot of street railways would order them direct ( if funds were fluid enough ) Nice thing about the Differentila car co is that they would sell kits to those railways that had the shops and shop forces.Perhaps the case with Chicago,the car was home built but the dump bodies could very well been a kit. The TTC did that as well,they never ordered direct from Diff car due to the cost factor but they did retrofit several of the old TRC flatmotors to dump motors with Diff kits.
What's to say other than we're at Tuesday once again. You know, that day following Monday, but the day before "hump day"! Time to fill up those mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, sample a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Petrol still holding at $2.78 (rounded) up at Collusion Corner . . .
Monday - Feb 11th: <all times Central standard>
Page 183 - Pete (pwolfe) at 5:34 PM: Smooth move ExLax - but no See-Gar! I ain't gonna do it - no way, no how, nope - not Moi! <frown> <urp> <barf> <yikes> Body oil by the drum <ommmmmigosh!> I really think you meant 55 gallon drum, eh
You weave quite a circuitous route with that "explanation." Where did it state that a "date" with Helga was to be the "prize" for your quiz How desperate for a ‘date' can one get <yikes> YOU were "selected," ‘n therefore YOU should go. Otherwise, it's "hands down" for Nick!
Weather report: As I type this (7:30 PM) it's doing nothing - just cold out there with about ¼ inch of ice on the sidewalks. Streets have been well "chemicled," although there are some slick spots. Took the bride about an extra hour to get home this afternoon . . .
All sorts of scenarios discussed with Rob today for a possible visit to ExpoRail . . . I'll try to compile ‘em all in an Email to you, Fergie ‘n Rob . . .
That comment about sleeping cars on the Oregon Electric Railway is supposedly a quote from a reputable magazine <at the time>. So, I'd say it's correct. Perhaps a thru car for connections with other roads. Too bad our former left coast connection <Dave> isn't around more often, for he'd probably know . . .
Here's the informative link again - since it was first put up on the previous Page - ‘n we KNOW how few EVER go back . . .
http://www.oesrestaurant.com/oeshistory.htm
Regarding those drumheads - the idea is to present them from the Classic Trains era, so yes - you are correct in your appraisal.
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. All the bad weather is to the north and west of us here today - lots of school closings, etc. I-64 was closed down for awhile last night near Charleston so they could clean up the wrecks.
Pete and Allan were by with comments and information.
Eric - Thanks for sending along the picture - fascinating stuff to look at.
Rob provided a spotting class in FPA4s and F units. Remember all of them quite well.
Mike stopped by with some fine pictures of New York "back when." Fascinating detail when you enlarge them. The GM&O shots were good as well, especially the one of the observation car.
The postcard is an interesting item re color. Alton name and B&O colors - I guess they didn't want to offend anybody.
Then we had a Moose Grimshaw cigarette card, player record and an "action" photo as we'll. I KNEW I could count on you.
Now lets see if you can find Sandow Mertes - one of my all time favorite obscure player names, although ‘Ol Sandow was around a lot longer than Moose.
Quiz for the day is who was the original Sandow?
OSP was by with reflections and reminiscences. I learned to drive on 1 1953 VW - IIRC, the 3rd one brought into New England - easy to take care of, started real good in the winter, but OMG, the heat in that beast was questionable at best. Turn signals were in the window posts - they were semaphores.
Thanks for the drumheads.
Our definition of "accident" is a lot tighter than most and is tied in with degree of injury. The general word(s) used for what you mentioned is "carelessness" or the ever-popular "human error." It can be people, or in some cases, machine design, or in still other cases, panic. The book that has been going around in the exchange gives examples of all of them. BTW, an excellent more up-to-date book that talks about a lot of this stuff (with a bunch of railroad-related material) is title Minding the Machines. Your library can probably ILL it for you.
I plan to be around tomorrow but it probably will not be until late in the afternoon - same for Friday, but I'll do my best to stop by.
work safe
Usually we patiently wait for Lars to report on the 13th that, once again, another 12th of the month has passed uncelebrated. Well not this time. Hail hail the gang's all here...For he's a jolly good fellow...
Page 200: Tom on March 12
Explored the Hudson Tubes link, and there's that beautiful 47-story Singer Building, tallest in the world in 1908, demolished in 1967 to make way for the World Trade Center. The view of river traffic from the high floors must have been neat in those days.
199th birthday
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GM&O
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Lincoln Memorial
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http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/dc/dc0400/dc0472/photos/029087pv.jpg
Differential dump, in the lower photo, similar to the thing that Rob took a picture of in Chicago
http://books.google.com/books?id=jTj1tGfHu4oC&pg=PA82&vq=car+492&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=_jWuTQP3F2ZHBtjnIQRE6OIeXJQ#PPA82,M1
Moose Grimshaw
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Leon, get me my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris! A double, cold Tui, please!
Now, let's see what we have toni... this morning. Looks interesting!
Tom – That’s the one, Eugene Electric Station! A friend of mine and I had dinner there July 7, 1993. Stayed at a hotel not far from it. I think I have a photo from the inside of the restaurant. We will reach Page 200 March 1 and Manager Lars will make that post! I have had 3 different Volkswagens and I can’t say they belonged to my favorite cars. I can understand if you liked the Scirocco though. That seemed to be a nice car. Very nice drumheads! I must say I prefer round ones. Ron – I had the same lack of luck! Could not find anything about the Canadian speed record. But I am not done yet. I really don’t know how many Mack trucks the World Circus Museum has. Interesting events that took place in 1937! The first EMD E1 was introduced. I wonder why EMD E2 was introduced four months before E1? Rob – If you read between the lines in Tom’s post you can tell that he is really looking forward to spend Valentine’s Day with Helga. He is kind of shy though.
Interesting to compare the FPA4 and FP9! Nice photos!CM3 – Sorry about your gas price, here it is $2.71. Heard on the news that it is expected to drop quite a bit this spring thanks to the slow economy. I believe it when I see it. Pete – Thanks for the information on the locomotive numbers! But I think those “long” numbers increased the chance that one would mix up the digits and remember the wrong number. I think those two locomotives were used for switching at the shops. The photo shows when a new train crew is taking over. The car on the right hand track in my photo is a short baggage car in the same design as the DMUs it was used with. See photo below.
Do you know anything about the stem locomotive being built in the UK from scratch? See link below. I think it is an amazing project and now it is almost ready to run!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7238506.stmAllan – One of my best memories from Eugene, OR, is that restaurant, Oregon Electric Station. Good food and interesting place! Hope I will be able to go back there one day! Eric
Good evenining Leon ,I see that you've had a bit of action tonight which is good don';t need you falling asleep behind the bar. I see that Boris has looked after his charges even cleaned out teh various cages and pens hmmm I wonder why I had better check the PPF closet ah yes all the larges are gone sooo we'll have to order a few more.
Tom-I see still refusing to claim your prize eh Ve hav vays you know,even Vito thought it was a good idea ( he's running numbers you see on if you will or won't accept ) incidentally I ahve it on the strictest authority ( vito's cousin Vinny ) that Vito has bet heavily on you accepting the prize. <uh oh > the odds were 100 to one that you wouldn't so as vito has said he's going for the sure thing if you get my drift ,I also noted that he just got a new consignment of cement forms < double uh oh >
Anyway great drumheads sir is that Southern belle one different The colours and picture seems a bit different than the last one you posted ( might just be dirty glasses though ) No Boris don't spit polish <ugh> at least you could ahve taken them off my head first <arggh>
If the Exporail thing flies I'll meet or pick up where ever. I'm amazed that you have no directs to Buffalo,tell me again why St louis is and Internatioanl airport.
Pete-You see I knew that their was a reason the prize was what it was,that makes perfect sence. I know that Cindy and the Ladies of Perpetual motion had worked hard on that bikini,I like the silver bullets and chain links that hold it together in the strategic spots.
You see we'll make a North American railfan out of you yet your already telling the difference between F units and FA's next you'll be able to resite the all time roster of the NYC Just joking of coarse but hey I'm learnuing all about the preserved steam on the BR and you're starting to be able to recognize American diesel locomotives,I would say mission accomplished for are little bar by the ballast n'est pas
Allan-Good to see you pop in tonight as well or is it tomorrow morning for you sorry as ever,so I'll just give you the Aussi g'day instead to cover all possibilities.I aggree with you that shooting was a tradgedy to much of that sort of thing in any country anymore,even more so when it's the young that are doing it.18's a tad young to be able to drink , I thought that the 19 here was bad enough.
I won't make R3 but hope to perhaps meet up with some of the others later or earlier on depending how the time and planning goes.
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Nick. Hope you survived the invasion of those Irish rugger supporters OK, hope their was`nt a riot there.
Rob. It would be great to meet you all at Rendezvous III, have a round on me with all the guys. Nice lot of work trolley pics you posted and all the other pics.
Eric. Thanks for that link to the Toronto Transit, Rob`s stomping ground, and nice pics of GN`s 4-8-4 #2584 and the nice pic of your old country. I can see you are getting real hungry now asking Tom about that diner in Oregon.
Lars. Nice comments about "Our" place and all the guys`, totally agree with you. Nice re-post of Barndad Doug`s info from 2006 and the great set of covAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s.
Pete. Many thanks for the Shildon photo`s, they are great and are most definately "keepers". Glad you enjoyed Ernies photo site, a great collection of Geordieland railway pics without a doubt, sad to see they closed the Blyth engine shed, used to go to the Essoldo cinema there once a month as relieving trainee projectionist, was based at the Picture House, Whitley Bay, until joining the army, we were living in Shiremoor in those days`.[the Backworth mines` area]. You are doing a great job with that new scanner of yours. Was totally gutted with the "Toon" going down to Villa 4-1!
Dave. Nice to meet you, welcome back aboard.
Ron. Thanks for the great Corned Beef Hash recipe, have printed and saved it for future reference, another very interesting lot of events in 1937, see you had included a NZ cricketer, he had retired from the game by 1972 when we arrived out here. Hope your back is much better now?
Dan. Forgot to mention that pic of the allotments you mentioned in that Westoe site, can just imagine how they used to live in those sheds to guard their prize leeks during the annual leek growing competition season, and all the whist and 500 school`s going on in there as well. typical Andy Capp country!
CM3. Nice to see you in and not too affected by the bad weather.
Tom. Awful news about that shooting in Kirkwood the other day, had to search the net for the full news as it did`nt feature on TVNZ, we are having an awful lot of stabbings by teenagers at the moment over here, which goes hand in hand with their "Binge" drinking habits, they can legally drink at 18 years old now, but they sure can`t hold it! Good to hear Fergie has come up with a solution for your water problem in the basement. That was a great set of pics of the Rendezvous I meet in Rob`s hometown and Toronto, all "keepers", you guys looked as if you were enjoying yourselves`. Nice link to the Oregon Electric Station, great info and some tempting menus in the diner. A real nice selection of interesting drumheads and a couple of classic flicks for the weekend, a coincidence, my father served in the Desert Rats during the war, Artillery of course, so a nostalgic flick for me. The date for the competition I think will be March 15th and the post will be by Pete. Hows that SNOW situation going at the moment?
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