Hi Tom and all.
Alright LEON a quick pint then.
RON Just caught your post.
Glad, depite your computer problems, you were able to join us at the bar Very much enjoyed reading the Railway Events of 1938. 60 years since Mallard set the record and interesting details of her.
Unfortunatly I did not get to travel behind her in the short time she returned to the main line in the 1980s, the trips sold out very quickly and some were mid-week, but a friend and I went to Doncaster to see her on her first trip back.I will look through the photo albums and try to find a photo or two.. Thanks for sharing
Pete.
A pint of Bathams XXX on this icy day please RUTH.
ROB Many thanks for BK's encore on Pullman and his cars. Pioneer must have been quite a sight when it first came out, costing about 5 times the cost of a normal car at the time.
Enjoyed reading the Nearside Car encore. I noticed that passengers could still use the rear doors to leave the car, I wonder if there was a problem of people trying to sneak on and getting a free ride through the rear doors.
Reading in your reply to Eric it seems Canada was the same as Britain, in that in the rush for diselisation there were nearly new (by steam terms) and very good steam locomotives just swept aside, On BR there was the 9F class of 2-10-0s that some have said were the best steam freight locomotives Britain ever had, some of the class were scrapped after only 5 years of service, a criminal waste of money in my opinion. I bet it would not have happened if the railways had been still in private hands. OH NO it's off to the Rat's Patoot Room for me again.
Many thanks for the photos, I think #503 as a bit of an East European look to her with those large smoke deflectors and #103 is a fine looking engine.
Yes the bag as let the thought of the movie go to its head, but hearing that Sean Connery is going to star may get it interested after all.
I had wondered why the sequin works were asking for temporary workers and the MG42 on the Zeppelin explains how H&H's ‘chicken' tastes of fish..
I found this tram in my photo album but no notes on it I'm afraid. The Location looks very much like the Tramway Museum at Crich Derbyshire, but I could be wrong
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the Irish photos I will try and sort out some of their steam locomotives for St Patrick's Day.
A local Working Man's Club served Federation Ale, I don't know if it was the same beer as from the Newcastle area, a faint memory is that it was keg and on the label it said ‘Ace of Clubs'. I know some who liked it but I remember it gave me a terrible headache the next morning.
A lot of folks here think my accent is Australian.
I found these photos of a Deltic Passing through Rugby on specials in preservation days. As far as I can tell there was never a production Deltic through Rugby in their BR service.
Heading north in Rugby station.
On the Coventry line just north of the junction with the Trent Valley Line, the flyover is visable on the left. The footpath was level with the line and was a good place to take a photo. I recall the Deltic was making a great sound as she accelerated after the speed restriction at Rugby..
MIKE Thanks for the info on the NYC locomotive in your earlier links, I think it must have been one of the first triple powered locomotives to be able to run on diesel or electric power.
Many thanks for those great old maps. I see the British one was from 1837 when some of the lines were new or not even opened yet, as the London & Birmingham opened in 1838, after problems with Kilsby Tunnel south of Rugby. I notice the Oxford Canal in the area had not been modified and followed a very meandering course still, it is said that a local church could be heard chiming 12 hours while the narrow boats worked through the winding section.
ERIC You have thunderstorms and we have icy sleet falling here in Mid-Mo BRRRR.
There is another station at Hendon, this is on the ex Midland line from St Pancras now served by Thameslink Trains.
Glad you liked the photo of the DART EMU.
That is a good-looking Los Angeles Railway car #665, thanks for sharing.
DL Very good comments on the DMUs.
Yes the run down of the railway works in the 1960s and 70s must have been devastating to the towns that had little engineering nearby, it would be interesting to know where the workers from the railway works found employment. I dare say a lot of them went into the motorcar factories, as I believe they were expanding at
Good evening Tom and all at the tavern-by-the-track. A round of drinks on me. As you may have heard, my computer was striken with a nasty virus. I have been able to reset to an earlier date so I can continue, but I think the virus is still there. I bought an anti-virus program, but can't install it, due to not enough RAM. I have to take it in and have it upgraded. Until then, I'm afraid to publish anything over the web for fear of spreading the virus. I'll return later after this mess is straightened out.
For Dl: My MG was a 1952 model TD(export model). The TC was my favorite. I didn't like the TF because they molded the headlights into the fenders.
For all: I quickly ran through all the posts, and found much of interest. At a later date, I will try to address those that I can respond to.
Railway Events of 1938
Unknown date events
Mallard
Mallard at the National Railway Museum at York.
Power type
Steam
Designer
Sir Nigel Gresley
Builder
LNER Doncaster
Serial number
1870
Build date
March 3rd 1938
Configuration
4-6-2
Gauge
1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in)
Length
70 ft
Locomotive weight
102.95 long tons (104.6 t)
Locomotive and tender combined weight
1 165 long tons (167.6 t)
Top speed
126mph
Class
A4
Retired
April 25th 1963
Restored
1986 until 1988
Hey Tom nice pick love that Lightfoot song. If you have the time why not join me in a pint or two Helga can always run us home on her motorbike. I mean Nick survived with few bite marksthey certainly don't right them liek that anymore. This one and the Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald are my two personal Lightfoot favourites.
Couple photo's to keep moving us along
two shots of the TN&O steamer preserved at North Bay Ontario
Two shots of TH&B consolidation #103 preserved at Westerfield Pioneer Villiage in Kitchener ontario
Rob
Good afternoon folks , Ruth I see that the tab has not be terribly butchered yet but some dents have occured so it's a good thing I think I'll just grab a ham sandwitch with all the fixings and of coarse a nice big cold Keith's.
Eric-Nice picture of the old streetcar / interurban ,where did that shot come from It was on teh surface an odd moce to expand and then shut down the shops so quickly but at the time in the late 40's the diesel manufacturers hadn't got their Canadian plants up and running and purchasing the locomotives from the US would have had grave tax and duty leavies so everyone thought at the time that diesilization would have been even slower than it was proceeding at everyone figured at the time mid-sixities would have been the reralistic timming of all steam being replaced, heck the CPR's own shops were turning out new locomotives in the late 40's pacifics and the Big Selkirks.most of which saw barely a decade of service.But MLW ( Alco ) CLC ( Fairbanks-Morse and baldwin -Lima ) and of coarse GMD ( EMD ) all got up and running and producing the diesel locomotives far faster and in greater numbers than was originally thought. the writing was on the wall though as CN had already converted the Point Ste Charles and Transconna shops to diesel locomoives as their primary focus CPR had done the same with the St Luc shops in Montreal .
Remebering also that the CNR at the time was still a wholely owned Federal crown Corporation so money didn't really matter.
those Brills would have come with an early Whitcomb or Winton diesel similar to the earlier doodlebugs EMC was putting out likely a 600hp distilled or gasoline powered engine,not very reliable. they would have sounded like over grown Moel T's.
Tom-What can I say I know when to and not to spend a buck neverthe less looks like the regulars are starting to belly up so I'm sure that teh bathtubs will remain replenished.
As to the posts I had to do two as I was just trying to find out if the first one working was just a fluke.Not sure why the widescreen thing happened didn't on my preview
don't knock the Italian cut overalls and dungerees,Leon seems to like them , heck even H&H are thinking of importing the whole line so all of mentor villiage can enjoy the fine Italian craftmanship,keeps Vito out of trouble at any rate and he is giving us a cut , I told him no less than 20 %. Looks like the movie deal is gonna be go as well all the tees have been crossed,no one would think otherwise espeacailly in a Vito n Guido production. the Mentor Fusliers and the Ladies of perpetual motion have all aggreed to be background players ( more so for the fusiliers )Molly's even thinking that the whole thing will have a lot of music and dance akin to a Busby Berkely production that means more of the ladies perpetually moving.
Interestuing thoughs on RDC';s and those DMU's you mentioned some pics would be nice eventually Like you think I don't think that 200 tons of locomotive travelling over one's head would cause much of a thought to wear a hardhat,more of a nuisance than a saver,mind you it would protect you from minor knocks like walking into a boiler tube or something. some shots of the big shops make them look like they went on for ever which they really did,hard to trell that they were really around when you drive by the location nowaday's. The minor outbuildings are still there used by CN's car department and tack gangs.
CM3-Not good that you got sidelinned by a bug, but we kinda figured that it must be something like that. You've got one of the best of the Wilson books try to get the other five though they are all excellant in their own right,they make darn fine reference works as well Ian's one of the best one heck of a good guy and he's not much older than me beats me by about three years or so.
Dan-Good to see you in again happy 3,700th post by the way As I mentioned above the rush to deisilization caused mist railroads over here to severly downgrade all those old brick and mortar loco shops n backshops. Just no need for all the infrastructure as the diesel's were so much easier to care for. lots of jobs lost as well , hostelers firemen engine wipers not to mention all the trades used for boilermaking and repair. Lots of people refer to the 50's as the golden years of railroading but not so for those whose job was to maintain the steam fleets.
I have no point of reference to compare Budd cars to EMU's or EMU's as I've never had a ride on either type. I would say though that on ewould think that any underfloor drive would be more of a noisy affair,I aggree with Tom though neither type would make for a great long distance rider I would think . The Budd's slightly better only because they were designed for a slower longer run.
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G'day Gents!
Here's one to challenge those of you who find it difficult to walk ‘n chew gum! LISTEN to the song while following along READING the lyrics!
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Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Thirteen
Canadian Railroad Trilogy
Canadian Railroad Trilogy < ©1967 by Gordon Lightfoot >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjoO170XFI
There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run When the wild majestic mountains Stood alone against the sun Long before the white man and long before the wheel When the green dark forest was too silent to be real
But time has no beginnings and history has no bounds As to this verdant country they came from all around They sailed upon her waterways and they walked the forests tall And they built the mines, the mills and the factories for the good of us all
And when the young man's fancy was turning to the spring The railroad men grew restless for to hear the hammers ring Their minds were overflowing with the visions of their day And many a fortune lost and won and many a debt to pay
For they looked in the future and what did they see They saw an iron road running from the sea to the sea Bringing the goods to a young growing land All up from the seaports and into their hands
Look away said they across this mighty land From the eastern shore to the western strand
Bring in the workers and bring up the rails We gotta lay down the tracks and tear up the trails Open her heart let the life blood flow Gotta get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow
Bring in the workers and bring up the rails We're gonna lay down the tracks and tear up the trails Open her heart let the life blood flow Gotta get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow Get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow
Behind the blue Rockies the sun is declining The stars they come stealing at the close of the day Across the wide prairie our loved ones lie sleeping Beyond the dark ocean in a place far away
We are the navvies who work upon the railway Swinging our hammers in the bright blazing sun Living on stew and drinking bad whiskey Bending our backs til the long days are done
We are the navvies who work upon the railway Swinging our hammers in the bright blazing sun Laying down track and building the bridges Bending our backs til the railroad is done
So over the mountains and over the plains Into the muskeg and into the rain Up the St. Lawrence all the way to Gaspe Swinging our hammers and drawing our pay Driving them in and tying them down Away to the bunkhouse and into the town A dollar a day and a place for my head A drink to the living, a toast to the dead
Oh the song of the future has been sung All the battles have been won On the mountain tops we stand All the world at our command We have opened up the soil With our teardrops and our toil
For there was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run When the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun Long before the white man and long before the wheel When the green dark forest was too silent to be real When the green dark forest was too silent to be real And many are the dead men too silent to be real
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Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (with something to help the cough); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. My apologies for the absence but I got felled by the sickness which is going on around here. As Nick would say, "Switch to unfiltered, they'll help the cough." Gas went up .20/gal yesterday - $3.29 today.
Well, let's see what's been happening. My apologies in advance to those who got missed or left out - it's not intentional.
DL - Kudos for the 3700th post.
Pete has been in with commentary and some most enjoyable pictures. The nameplate is just beautiful.
Nick has been by with notes and observations as well.
Eric - Thanks for the location of the FL9 picture.
Your comments of stopping trains in autumn conditions were right on target. Starting them is fun as well.
One of the all-time great railroad books, High Green and the Barkpeelers (about the B&M in the late 40s and early 50s), has some excellent material about engineers dealing with similar conditions with steam locomotives.
In this part of the world, we have lost of trees and the terrain is pretty rugged. This means that leaves often blow onto the tracks in the autumn. Combine that with rain or frost or dew and you can have a 4-5 locomotive consist stopped dead. GEU25Bs were bad for that sort of thing. Another story for the Rendezvous.
Some Altoona-related material is at the end of this post.
The picture of the back side of CVUT shows what it is like today. Remains of the concourse are in left center of the photo. This structure used to extend outward across the tracks to the right. I recall riding N&W and and L&N trains out of there - Lord it was a hike sometimes. Look at the top of the picture and you'll see a set of windows that somewhat resemble an airport control tower. The tower for the terminal was located there. It was a monstrous interlocking plant.
OSOP graciously sent a picture of the front of the building. The inside was (and is) beautiful Art Deco. Unfortunately, many of the mosaics that were inside were removed to the Cincinnati Airport (which is across the river in KY) - at least they were not destroyed. I had the fortune of traveling through the station before it was all cut up.
Allan visited with comments
Rob was by with interesting summaries and comments. Pullman also came up with so-called broiler-buffet-parlor cars during the Great Depression. These were used on trains that did not necessarily need a full diner (yes, Boris, it was all about the money). One of the few Ian Wilson books (probably butchered the spelling) I have is To Stratford Under Steam. The interior shop picture you sent reminds me very much of the C&O erecting shop at Huntington, WV (still in use today).
Mike sent some fascinating pictures. The NYC&HR grain elevator was a dominant feature of NY back then. The Boston and Albany had a similar structure in East Boston and the B&M had one as well.
One of your photos showed some stock cars and refrigerator cars with a wondrous steam shovel
Then there was one showing several cuts of milk cars. Much of the milk that came down to New York back then originated in Vermont on the Rutland. Dairyman's League was a coop and Sheffield Creamery as in VT.
Then we had a cut of cars from PFE and MDT. MDT was operated by the NYC - their car shop was in Syracuse. Check out the brakeman on the car roof. Last - the tri-power locomotives were fascinating pieces of power. There's not that many shots of them in their native habitats. Thanks for sharing.
DL sent an interesting post - We will, effective immediately open a Handraulic section at the Mentor Museum of Lost and Forgotten technologies.
OSP is keeping us up and at ‘em. Music of the Maritimes - we must discuss further as the bride has lots of folks from Nova Scotia. Therefore we have mannny CDs.
Thanks for the drumheads and I like the TT cut of the GG1.
Interesting movies at the Theatuh. As some of you know, I have spent yrs studying the Civil war. "Gettysburg" is not all that bad - two of the best scenes are of "Fair Catch" Corby blessing the Irish Brigade, and the scenes early in the movie when Reynolds sends the Iron Brigade forward into the woods. Also, keep an eye of the transformation(s) of "Ol' Pete's" beard throughout the picture - it's alive I tell you, it's alive. Quiz for the day - how did the nickname "Fair Catch" Corby come about?
I have not seen "Whale Rider," although my daughter has and she liked it a lot.
Also, it seems like your library is growing. I also appreciated the additional construction pictures of the S gauge segment.
Being a certified SPF, here are two sites which will give you additional information about PRR Altoona Shops.
http://www.trainweb.org/horshoecurve-nrhs/Guide/htm
The above site has links to digitized books in the Altoona Public Library as well as general historic and contemporary information.
http://www.explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerID=677
The photos in the above site will enlarge (at least they did when I checked the site a few minutes ago).
Work safe
P.S. will try and post tomorrow but we may be doing stuff (naturally because we are supposed to have an ice storm).
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Let's not delay - the coffee ‘n pastries are fresh - breakfasts ready too!
For some strange reason, petrol prices are still at $2.78 rounded in spite of the world market prices topping the century mark.
Blue skies on Wednesday - coooooooold - brisk ‘n we're now into a winter storm warning for these parts of mid-continent USA. <uh oh> More ice than snow - more sleet than snow - more <crap> than snow! At the moment (early Thurs AM) it is freezing rain with everything white ‘n pretty, but oh so treacherous to walk or drive . . . <ugh>
Comments from the Proprietor:
It's time to recognize that as the numbers of regulars <translated: dependable supporters of the bar> dwindles, so does the activity at the bar. While Lars will be sorely missed, the mysterious absence of CM3 Shane has pretty much put the "cap" on the morning activities. Don't know how much longer this will go on, but let's just keep on keeping on - not to worry, we'll pull thru this latest drought . . .
THIS JUST IN: CM3 Shane reports that he's been on the binnacle list . . . so, here's hoping for a full 'n speedy recovery from whatever it is that gotcha!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - Feb 20th: <all times Central standard>
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 12:12 PM: Much appreciation for the noontime visit - bailed us out of another becalmed moment . . .
I think you're on top of the movie rights to the "Black Bag" feature - so, keep going, you're doing fine . . . Filling up the upstairs "coffers"can't all be bad . . .
Neopolitan denim Really! <yikes>
Interesting comments from our somewhat demented Resident Ontario Connection! <uh oh>
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 2:08 PM ‘n 2:15 PM: As mentioned in a previous Post - you ALMOST got <tweeted> for NOT using the REFRESH feature - caught ya! Anyway, it was good speaking with you ‘n appreciated the call!
Really, really enjoyed your Stratford Shops submission - chock full o' material I had not idea about. Not that I SHOULD have known all of it - but just really an interesting piece! Amazing how that locomotive in the air looks almost toy like! Guess wearing a hard hat would be the least of one's concerns while working in that environment! <uh oh> Truly a shame that all is gone into history - just a fantastic complex of talent ‘n technology in a bygone era . . .
Thanx for the S-Capades comments . . . S is a great size ‘n while there aren't that many choices out there, what is available from American Models ‘n S-Helper is quality fer sure, fer sure.
You sure know WHEN to splurge with the free drinks!
Page 186 - Pete (pwolfe) at 3:28 PM: Not trying to burst your bubble, but you DO speak "funny"! <uh oh> But don't let that reality keep you from trying to master American English!
Hello Tom and all in
I'll have a pancake breakfast please, just with coffee.
I had no idea I was making that 3,700 post - but thanks for marking it - pure chance. In fact I've been in each day this week and started to prepare my post - then got distracted and put it to one side. That hasn't helped custom, I appreciate - perhaps this round for the house will help?
Really enjoyed the Drumheads (it is great artwork - just like the posters of the period) and the Cincinnati info - the station architecture there is, in my view, classic design on world class level.
Some feedback from yourself, Rob and indeed Pete about the DMUs - here they are regarded by enthusiasts as a poor relation of a real train (with loco and cars) - I think this is sadly because the under floor power units contribute to noise in each car - and the often too poor internal layout creates a cramped design originally designed only for short haul travel but later amended to save money (on the basis that you could make units of only 2 car length and pack people in - a trick learned from the aircraft industry). I presume the positive comments from across the pond reflect what must be the high quality of Budd railcars and the affection they command here at Our Place. I'd like to ride a Budd railcar some day to make the comparison!
Eric - thanks for the dictionary link to Handraulic!
Nick - sounds like you've been having some good weather down there. I'm headed to Brecon in about a week for a couple of days (by rail as close as I can get) - hopefully the weather will be not too bad in East Wales.
Rob - interesting story about Stratford Shops - reminds me of the cull of shops that happened in the UK towards the end of steam. Pete will know but I think BR had a ‘workshop reorganisation plan' in the late 60s which saw the demise of long standing works like Brighton, Ashford, Darlington, Lancing and no doubt others - with a concentration on fewer premises (many of which themselves have now closed - eg Swindon, Derby Loco etc). This must have been a big change for the towns concerned - many of which had little in the way of other engineering jobs for people to go to (eg Brighton is essentially a resort town, so when the works closed there I wonder what the staff did?).
Allan - I seem to recall that the Federation Brewery is still going - I thought I saw it from the A1 last time I drove past Newcastle - but I must admit that was a good 5 years or so ago so I may be confused. Federation Ale does not have a great reputation - as you imply.
I can imagine what you mean about accents! I only learned recently about mackems - obviously known about Geordies for many years.
Pete - nice selection of Irish pics - I bet the lines there are of interest - I've never been on holiday there, which in a way is something I regret. I understand many of their longer distance trains still have restaurant car facilities at a reasonable price.
I think you are right about the Museum of Army transport at Beverley - I think it did close but I don't know what happened to the stock. Was Gazelle and ex Potts loco?
One of the interesting things about Rolt's book is that he tells the story of the demise of Kerr Stuart loco works - he was apprenticed there and the company was in fine fettle - even in 1930, with busy orders (inc 50 Panier tanks for the GWR under subcontract from Swindon). It turned out that the Chairman of the Company (a city of London type) had illegally used Kerr Stuarts as some sort of collateral with the Midland Bank for an investment he was making with another unrelated company that then failed. The Bank then foreclosed on the loan and forced Kerr Stuart's into receivership - completely destroying the business as the assets were sold by the receivers. Pretty tragic really. In all this he lost his £100 apprenticeship bond his family had paid to Kerr Stuarts, due to be repaid at the end of the apprenticeship.
He had to finish his appretiship at Lister engines in Gloucestershire - some info about them is here
http://cotswoldedge.org.uk/dursley/listers.htm
When this was all investigated the said chairman disappeared never to be seen again, whilst his secretary was found locked in his office, papers burned in the fireplace, dead from a gun shot - suicide presumed...
I've not got further than this in the book so can't tell you more - but he lost his £100 - which would have been a lot in 1930 (probably at least £5,000 now).
The Liverpool - Harwich through trains must have stopped soon after I used it I think. The services on that route now go Liverpool - Manchester (via CLC route) - Sheffield (via Edale) - Nottingham (via Trowell) - Grantham (apart from one via Loughborough) - then East Coast Main Line to Peterborough - Ely then across Fens and Brecklands to Norwich. The service uses 158 DMUs or 170 DMUs. The problem is that the franchise specifications on privatisation tend to cement these routes ‘in stone' - leaving very little flexibility for an operator to change a route if they think it worth doing.
These days for Harwich you'd probably have to change a couple of times after Ely. Strangely I can't actually recall what route the Harwich Train took after Peterborough (I suppose) - but I do recall having to get to the station early in the morning to get it! On arrival at Harwich there were 2 boat trains side by side and they made a contrast - A locomotive hauled rake of at least 8 Mk 2 carriages from London and our diminutive 2 car 156 DMU next to it! This must have been 1989 or 1990.
I've not been on a Pendolino but they look very uncomfortable in second class - with very small windows and seats that do not line up well with them. It does not look much better in first class.
I read a review of the new Grand Central Sunderland - York - London service - they have refurbed Mk3 carriages and made a special effort to line ALL seats with windows - so in second class this means a first class amount of leg room - if not seat width! They also offer half price fares for people over 60 - no railcard required I think.
Here are some pictures:
http://www.grandcentralrail.co.uk/gallery.html
It looks worth a try.
I'll post this now! (even though I've just spotted some other recent posts - inc Mike's excellent maps - a real help to those of us across the pond who don't know the geography like the back of our hands - unlike the UK rial network which i could probably draw blindfold!)
Regards DL
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a roastbeef sandwich, please. A cold Tui!
Everything went out of order tonight. Two powerful thunderstorms surprised eveyone in the Valley tonight. I had to babysit our dog. She is very afraid of thunderstorms.
Tom – I remembered the route of SP’s Daylight this morning, but thank you for the answer!I am starting to recognize your S-gauge layout! Recieved mails, thank you!Rob – This Brill had a 267 hp Chevy V8. Since I don’t know what they sounded like with the original engine I didn’t mind the sound. Thanks for a most interesting article on the Stratford shops! With the annex completion in 1948 it seems like a real waste of money to close the shop nine years later. Thanks for re-posting BK’s Pullman piece! Too sad they are no longer around. Interesting background on the Nearsides! Pete – In Sweden they brush the rails when it is slippery in the fall. I have been looking for a picture showing one but couldn't find it.Yes, I went to Hendon by Underground. Ah, thanks for the photo of Irish 2-car EMUs! Allan – I guess you have seen the Whale Rider before? I must admit I never heard about it before but it sounded interesting with a NZ movie! Mike – I thought so, that the Great Grain Elevator was gone. Thanks for the answer! And thanks for the maps. Now I know where Stratford is at. I also found that map of Arizona interesting. Something is not right, I have to check it out. Eric
Hey Mike nice maps. The first one would be correct as it's Stratford Ontario figured the CNR and grant Trunk references would have given that away seriously great old maps though. I have a map of the shop complex but it didn't blow up well so I did not include it in the post,I'll try to re-scan and repost it later though as it gives a layout of how the trackage ran in conjunction wiht the Big Shops.hey leon hows about another Keith's
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Pete, the New York Central loco in the picture was "triple powered." Deisel, third rail, and pantograph
Rob, we need to know exactly where Stratford is.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24509-900031&name=Grand+Trunk+Ry.+of+Canada.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24500-900028&name=Erie+Railway+and+connections.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24554-900050&name=Santa+Fe.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-20852-520045&name=England+canals,+railways.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24538-900044&name=Map+Boston+&+Maine+Railroad.
Old MacDonald's farm on Prince Edward Island had oxen. There's a turn-of-the-century photograph of my grandfather as a young man behind an ox-drawn plow.
Hi Allan I see you snuck in while I was playing with the ole cut and paste. Yes we too are plagued by teenage drivers and all the high jinz that ensues.One partial positive is that ten yeasr ago a realativly forward thinking provincial government made two changes to the licencing world. They brought in a two step licence program.S new would be drivers teens or otherwise have to pass a written exam to get their learners permit or G1 licence. they then do a road test after having a minimum amount of acredited in car training, once this is passed they get their G2,which allows them to drive o their own but it has certain rstrictions, no passenegers under the age of 16 , a zero tolerance for blood alcohol where normal drivers are allowed upto ( 0.08 ) they must stay off the major highways unless accompanied by an adult or at least soemone who has been fully licenced for a year.With in two years of passing their first roadtest and getting their G2 they must pass another roadtest to get their full G licence ( a G licence allows them to opearted any vehicle not requiring airbrakes or having a capacity of less than 9 passengers )If they don't do the second roadtest and apss it in the alloted time they have to start the whloe process over again.
Thanks for enjoying my write ups, it's good to know that peiople are reading them and enjoying them.
Hello Again Leon I think that I would like another Keith's. Remember everyone the rounds for the rest of the week are on me so step up one and all. I'm not usually this givingHere's another reprint from teh old thread to give everyone a bit more bedtime reading. actually i'm just drunk with a new found skill LOL
enjoy again
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please!
Rob. Looks as if we are cursed with the same teenage problems as well, it must be a world wide problem? Enjoyed your write up`s on the Classic Steam #4 with pics of the Statford Big Shops, and the Pullman story, all very interesting. You are doing a TOP job at the Bar!
Nick. Good to see you in again with some humerous dialogue.
Eric. Interesting lot of signal pics, a nice pic of the Brill railcar and the X2000 in Tilt mode, and a very interesting link to the RAF museum at Hendon, thanks for that. Whale Rider was filmed North of us on the East Coast of NZ.
Ron. Hope you get rid of that `puter bug soon.
Mike. Very interesting write up and pics of that Grain Elevator.
Pete. Some of the Miners Clubs only sold "Federation" beer which was brewed at their own brewery, it tasted like "Gnats P" , at least we had Newcastle "Broon" Ale at the Legion. Enjoyed all those Irish diesel loco pics and info of yours. Forgot to confirm your info on the named train headboards, from what I remember your write up was spot on.
Dan. Congratulations on making the 3700th reply at the Bar! You were correct about the "pot Leeks" competitions, all the miners had special recipes of fertilising brews for their "Babies" and they were grown in "hush hush" conditions. Pit Yacker must have been very difficult for anyone to understand out side of Geordieland, Kiwi`s always reckon we are from Scotland or Wales, or even Holland when they try to place our accent. Glad you enjoyed that Westoe link, I enjoyed your link to the Shropshire and Montgomery Railway.
Tom. Have been to Christchurch many times, my wife`s eldest sister over here lives there, it`s a very "English" city with lots of superbly kept gardens and parks. That Dr Jerri Nielsen you mentioned was big news here in the late 90`s, their was a lot of press and TV coverage of her predicament at the South Pole, I have`nt read her book but will now you have recommended it. Nice choice of flicks for the weekend, Whale Rider was filmed on the East Coast, North of where we live, it`s a nice family movie. Enjoyed all your great posts and pics of the hardcover books for your Can Am Library, the classic Drumheads pics, and those great pics of your S-Capades RR, many thanks to you.
See ya, Allan
Hello Leon just back in again with a bit of a nostalgia post from our gone but not forgotten friend BK.Let me have a large draft of Guiness. 'm gald to see that Pete's at least taken up my offeer of libations
Tom-I took some of your advice from our chat this afternoon and palyed with teh ole copy n paste from the old thread,got it to work after a couple of tries. I guess that you can each an old dog new tricks.
Pete-Another fine picture from you thank-you. Funny that we morn the old railway equipment when it's use stops being the norm. The Diesels on passenger trains in the UK and Ireland and Steam loco usage here. At least they still have a fine tradition of passenger train servcie over the pond be it steam , diesel or MU sets
Sooo the bag wants more money and perks does it I don't know Vito might be able to craft a cement carying case for it <uh oh > We could after all use CGI for the bags part.Sean Connery seems aggreeable to do the part much more aggreeable to the price than was Harrison Ford BTW make-up can do wonders for actors
H&H will not have to share a costume they each made one for each other,I have asked them to add a few more green sequins to make them more "PG" rated.
Helga sent the MG42 off the si
A pint of Bathams XXX, on this chilly, day please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the Classic Drumheads by the Dozen #5. All good but I think my favorites this time, are the Wabash Banner Blue and the WP Exposition Flyer, I guess this train only ran while the Exposition was on.
Thanks for the kind words on my post; I will have to remember to put some Irish photos in for March 17th before I go to Pat's Place. How come the local girls did not go crazy when I arrived, after all I am from across the ‘pond'. All I got was "You speak funny"
It is great what you learn at Our Place thanks for origin of the naming of Cincinnati.
I guess it was, what is now, classic diesels that were hauling those freights you used to watch from the local stations, thanks for sharing the story.
Yes the black bag survived the soda far better than the camera did, but still, this new camera I borrowed from the bride seems a lot better.
Many thanks for the next installment of the building of the S-Capades. Enjoyed the close up photos of the freight cars and the Mo-Pac GP35.
I will check my e-mails now.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the Irish Diesels, it was good to have a ride behind them as it was becoming rarer in the UK to have diesel locomotives hauling passenger trains, sad to say it appears now that the Irish Railway is going over to multiple units, with I believe just the Dublin to Cork and the Dublin to Belfast route using loco haulage.
Many thanks for that very interesting post on the Stratford Big Shop. Like the factory I worked at, in the past, the works hooter was used by the towns people to set their watches.
What a difference it must have been from 1951, with those great locomotives fresh from overall outside the works, to 1958 when the works closed.
I guess that is the 200-ton crane lifting No 6001; our biggest crane was 120 ton. Thanks for sharing.
I have never been compared to Sean Connery before, no wonder he wanted a lot of money to play me. I'm afraid if the filming does go ahead, the Black Bag has demanded its own caravan and make up artiste, sorry about that.
I only hope there are two Leprechaun suits or else H&H will be scraping to see who gets to wear it.
NICK That sounds a wonderful setting to have your country band rehearsals.
Very much enjoyed the account of the date with Helga, I guess she has removed the machine gun that was on top of the sidecar. OH yes I remember the feeling, a few behind, my drop and a handful of sixes, then the opponent drops a one in and s it all up. . Even better, when both are in the dead hole, and it takes about three rounds to end the game.
Looking forward to the next installment of the evening with Helga,or is it.
ERIC Yes in the UK they have special trains that are fitted with high-pressure water and a special solution that is used during the leaf fall season.
Many thanks for the link to the RAF museums, unfortunately I could not get the ‘virtual tour' to load but I will try again. It would be the Northern Line to Edgeware if you went to Hend
I see two of you logged aboard - Rob 'n Pete!
Good to see ya at the bar today, Rob . . . yes, it's been quite puzzling, but we've been there 'n done this before, eh
Thought I'd get you with a <tweeting> for NOT using the REFRESH feature - you didn't "look" before Posting that 2nd one . . . but I'll let you off easy as you recouped nicely with your follow-up! <grin>
Thanx for the Keiths! <urp>
Peter! Check your Email!!
Tom
Howdy there captain Tom join me in a drink won't you Keith's allright for you Loved seeing the next part of the s-capades.I'd love to ahve the room for S guage lots of fine streetcar equipment available oh well , next life with abigger house and a bigger budget
I'm not supprised that so many are jumping on the outdoor band wagon, it's a good thing provided that the NHL does it right. Once a year should be a good grabber espeacially if they keep to their New years Day format,best way to compete witht the football .
Bit odd that we are so slooow hopefully things will turn round tomorrow .come on guys belly upto the bar ,as I am buying for the bulk of the week.Remember your likley one and only chance to abuse the managers tab , lets try to make it longer than Pete's
So Ruth my dear, now that you are off the phone I would like a nice Keith's oh and what the heck I'll abuse my tab and there by my salary for the rest of the week and offer all libations on me.Boris ring them up and of coarse do your feeding of the critters and have a small jar of the new PPF's Vito left for you as well.Normally I would not put out new info on the slow days but we need a new injection to keep the trqack gangs and those who give a patoot some new reading material.
CLASSIC STEAM # 41 STRATFORD'S BIG SHOP
The CNR locomotive shops in Stratford Ontario sat on 19 acres of land, and for more than 80 years was the cities largest employer.many said that it's whistle regulated the pulse of the town.It was composed of many buildings the original ones masonary with the add on's done in concrete.A tall smokestack marked the site and toweerd over the "big shops" and it's network of trackage.Cars of supplies constantly shuffled in and out of the complex.a self porpeled crane and it's tender and the two 0-8-0 shop switchers were constantly in use.An 85 foot turn table rounded out the big shops outer facilities,wiht teh large 36 stall roundhouse in the ajacent Stratford yards with a 115 foot table capable of handling the large Northern and Mountain type locomotives.
Following the 1870 reorganization of the Grand Trunk came the decision to build a large shop complex,Stratford was chosen as the hub by virtue of it's central location to the spider web of branchlines in southwestern Ontario.This web of trackage was constatntly expanding as the GTR bought up the myriad of small railroad companies all struggling to survive in the area.Two main buildings were built comprising Stratford's first heavy equipment shop and were completed in 1871 adjacent to teh old Buffalo and Goderich mainline.The absorbtion of teh Great Western in 1888 prompted the first expansion,which incorporated a transfer table for tenders in the erecting shop.In 1904 a new tender shop , light repair shop and electric ligthing were introduced.Larger locomotives forceda major expansion in 1907-08.consisting of a new erecting shop,gallery,longer turntable,insatllation of a telephone system and the replacement of the erecting shop transfer table with a new 120 ton overhead crane.
In 1919 , the crane was upgraded to a 150 ton model to handle the new large Mikado type locomotives.With the introduction of the Mountain and Sante Fe class engines the final 200 ton crane was added to the main shop in 1928.Postwar expansion included a tender inspection porch in 1948, the erecting shop annex and new boiler system were added on and completed in 1949,and an engine light up shed was built in 1950.
All classes of locomotive repair were handled by teh big shops from minor repairs and inspections to ful flegded re-building and recertifications.Tere were three main types of repair work done at the big shops.Any work which is concidered minor,but to heavy to be done in a roundhouse was concidered calss 6 repairs.Machinery repairs ( usually involving new tires ) but not requiring full disassembly were labelled as class 5. General repairs including compleet disassembly and retubinmg qualified as class 3 rebuilds.After a full class three including renewal of flues and full rebuilding and insapection an engine was good for four years.
The big shop comprised of six main departments with as many as 33 additional sub departments.Beneath the main windows of the main building were the three asiles that comprised the main portion of the shop.In the centre are the erecting pits,with the machine shop joined on the northside of the building.Oposite the machine shop was the annex that contained the electrical brake,spring,stoker.air brake and pipe shops.Welding,material cleaning,truck wheels and firboxes were also handled in the annex.Nine separate plumbing systems supplied the shop with pure water,oxygen,acetylene,compressed air and hydraulic preasure.Throughout the shop complex an old narrow guage railway for push carts and a series of trucking asiles for gasoline powered trucks helped bring the parts to the various dept's and sub depts.All replaced in the 1920'a by several overhead cranes.A separate power house suplied all the electricity needed for the shop building and was also piped to some company greenhouses which grew and supplied over 80.000 plants a year that were used to decorate the provinces train stations !
With the annex completion in 1949, the Stratford shop surpassed the Point Ste Charles shop in Montreal as the largest on the CNR system.Prior to the annex being built it could only fit five large locmotives at a time due to the lengths of the pits.Once the annex was completetd 24 large pits and twelve small were available all under the cover of the building and it's 200 ton crane.In 1951 all eastern region manotoba to teh amritimes steam rebuilds were transfered to teh Stratford shop complex as Pte STE Charles became a diesel loco only shop, at teh big shops peek in 1956 350 locomotives were servcied the usual output was 280 basically one locomotive a day was turned out by the shops.
The shop forces began to decline satrting about 1948 when 1600 workers were employed there by teh end of '48 it was down to 1300 by '56 only 900.By 1956 teh CNR had wholly embraced the replacement of steam with deisel locomotives so teh big shop was on borrowed time. In 1958 all remaining usable steam had been converted to oil burning and transfered to teh Western region and the car of teh transconna shops in Winnipeg ( also a deisel mainteneance shop still is today )In July of 58 the last loco was out shopped and the shops were closed. Some minor deisle maintenance went on during the 60's and in 1971 loco's 6060 and 6218 were both overhauled for excursion servcie after that teh shop buildings were condemmed most have now been torn down save part of the 1948 annex which CN uses for track mainteneance crews.
1951 shop of the fron of the big shops,a Sandusky shot from the OERHA archieve
Mountain type going for a ride inside the big shop
enjoy
With a visit from our Manager, trolleyMAN Rob - that's all I need to drop this one on y'all! But first - something for you . . .
Picked this up from cbc.ca - At the NHL meeting of General Managers in Naples, FL:
Several cities, including Montreal, Chicago, Denver and New York (at Yankee Stadium) have expressed interest in playing an outdoor game. No decision has been made, but there will be an outdoor game next season.
Many THANX for helping out over on "my other Thread" . . .
STILL waiting Email responses from a couple of our Rendezvous III attendees . . .
Here's Part IV of the Building of the S-Capades for this Wednesday's OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day!
<Check out Page 176 for Part I; "must" reading if you wanna understand all of this!>
Tunnel completed
Newly arrived MoPac GP35 <American Models> ‘n freight cars!
Landscaping continues
More next week <maybe>!
Miss any
Part II is on Page 180
Part III is on Page 184
Good afternoon Ruth and the rest of you folks huddling in the corner ( most likely due to the visuals of Nick's story )Been another slow one by the trackside today hmm long weekenditus I'm afraid ,nothing an hour or two in the ministrations of H&H can't fix <uh oh >
Eric-Interesting photo of the combo car from brill. Theer is one of those critters plying the rails of a dinner excursion train in Florida,mind you it had been re-engined with an Allison V8 so it sort of spoils the mood.Mind you always nice to see the photo
Nick-Wow, what a tale of woe and love and well... we won't go there.If you did I hope a suit of armour was part of the costume I have to tell you though a 50 cal desert eagle does not constitue a medium caliber side arm Have you noticed that her side car is supported by a fully tracked tank tread
Tom-I can see the title now." IT CAME FROM THE BLACK BAG" or an alternate the "INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHING BLACK BAG IN 3D". Vito is looking at various sights to shoot the action scenes,he has an operating budget of at least $8.50 which he's say's he can stretch to cover all the costs. Guido has promised an extra $10.00 if any over runs should occur in the editing. More overruns than that and well... you know how they operate <uh oh >Boris is supplying the film and cameras ( another hobby he's been baned from by the order of the Mentor city council )Vito has flown in two speacial cases of imported Bavarian PPF's to cover the camera crews cost,yes folks stay away from Boris's shed while during and shortly after the filming beginsLeon will act as the soundman his cost were a lifetime supply of imported Italian leather boondockers adn Italian cut overalls in the finest Neopolitan Denim,Vito's boyz are supplying the security and H&H are catering so we should amke a profit somehow as they will use the shed and kitchen for pre and post production,that and the rental fee for teh use of our facilities will lets just say keep the bathtub full for a while.
I hear you about the staying in to eat while away from home , when one travels why would you want to actually cook and do all the things you have to do at home.
Back in a bit.
Wednesday's Witticism
Immigrants coming West to look for gold were born silly and had a relapse.
You guys know the drill . . . coffee's ready - pastries freshly baked 'n breakfasts ready to order.
Tuesday - Feb 19th: <all times Central standard>
Page 186 - Pete (pwolfe) at 3:53 PM: ‘Twas indeed a long time between customers - just check the times! However, yours is a Post to enjoy ‘n my hope is that the guys will do just that . . .
Kind of pointless to make such a fine effort IF none of our guys are around to read it . . . That's kind of why I'm not putting anything up after my AM summary ‘til someone else comes along. <groan>
To answer your question: In 1790, Arthur St. Clair, the governor of the Northwest Territory, changed the name of the settlement to "Cincinnati" in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, of which he was a member. The society honored General George Washington, who was considered a latter day Cincinnatus -- the Roman general who saved his city, then retired from power to his farm. To this day, Cincinnati in particular, and Ohio in general, are home to a disproportionately large number of descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers who were granted lands in the state. <from: wikipedia.com>
In 1790, Arthur St. Clair, the governor of the Northwest Territory, changed the name of the settlement to "Cincinnati" in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, of which he was a member. The society honored General George Washington, who was considered a latter day Cincinnatus -- the Roman general who saved his city, then retired from power to his farm. To this day, Cincinnati in particular, and Ohio in general, are home to a disproportionately large number of descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers who were granted lands in the state.
And just as a point - it's Union Terminal . . . Used to be quite the place for trains "back in the day" and a bit thereafter. I made my first trip there aboard the PRR from New York City back in 1960 - round trip for a buddy's wedding. Had a great time aboard the train <discussed over at the Original Thread if I recollect . . . . > Wedding wasn't bad either.
When I used to spend vacations with the family at "home" - Grandpa ‘n I would take the kids down to one of the more familiar train stations nearby. We'd sit in the station wagon ‘til we heard the approaching sounds - then they'd get all excited as the train came roaring through. Standing on the platform, the kids just couldn't believe it. All freights in those times - but still exciting to little kids. Good memories . . .
Fine looking spate of Irish equipment! May want to "save" a few for Mar 17th! I do hope Nick's band will make it "in" . . . With some advance notice we'll have to tighten up on security as you know how crazy the local gals get when "new blood" from across the pond arrives in the village. <yikes>
A movie about the "black bag" You DO have a vivid imagination! <grin> See comments to Rob . . .
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 6:49 PM: Good to see ya in the early evening hours! The later the Posts, the more difficult it is for me to get out an early morning summary . . . so THANX!
I do believe that Leprechaun's are small creatures, which of course would rule out H&H! <yikes> Just the thought of green leather outfits for those two . . . BUT, you Sir are the Manager. Therefore I'll yield to you with regard to those details.
Neither one of us fancy fast foods either . . . When in Bedford <Halifax> we go out to eat wherever ‘n whenever without regard to the prices, for it's all part of what we like to do. Just that the "local" folks have other preferences, like staying at home. We can do that HERE! <gee
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!
Leon, nice to see you this early! A number 4 special, please! Yeah, all of it!
Hey, what is Ruth doing her? I think she is singing! Did he? Did they! Talked for two hours? Yeah, it sounds like Senior Manager Lars!
I guess today was a quiet day at the bar! Not too much to do.
Tom – Ahh, Union Terminal, not Station! I am always learning something! So Cincinnati is your military home? I have only been there once and didn’t see much of the city. But I actually have a cousin from the old country living there. I haven't seen him for many years though.
Nice drumheads! SP - Daylight. Between what cities did it run? Mail recevied and responded to. Thank you!Pete – I would say the fall with all the leaves coming down is the worst time of the year as an engineer. Didn’t travel that many overground lines in London. One was to the RAF museum in Hendon. Very interesting museum. http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/Thanks for the Irish photos! Interesting! Do you have any photos of any electrics? Or are they all EMUs?Rob – It was always a popular thing to do when the X2000 was on display, to run the tilting system on one of the cars. Much appreciated. Never saw a drunken sailor though! By the way, my next weekend will be a six day weekend! Usually they are four or five days long but six is even better. Nick – Seems like you had an eventful and rough day! Interesting report! It must have been Helga’s Cossack 650 twin I heard earlier this afternoon. A lot of decibels!
I have shown this one before, but I don't careBrill Model-55 Combination Car, built 1930. Eric
Well good evening one & all-I do hope you have all had as fine a day as I have -At this far eastern end of the bar counter we have just been blessed with 4 straight days of pure spring-like weather-got collared for a honey-do list of Byzantine complexity for the first 3 ( but managed to sneak in some train-shed upkeep on `company time`)--however-today is country band rehearsal day-PLAYTIME.....!!!!!!
Had a wonderfully productive day setting up and balancing mics & lines and recorded a quick sampler to test the mix-As an added bonus,somebody actually knows how to operate the desk we are using-and even better-this time it isnt me--result-so have spent best part of day sitting in an acre of very carefully managed nature friendly garden watching,variously,the mist burning off the old colliery field,more different birds than I can remember ( altho the Jay stands out ) circling the feeders in a huge ballet and,sometime later,watching the sky to the west-`cos of the mist forming,the sunset got diffused and the whole sky turned a soft hazy peach colour-Seemed to be quite a few empy Czech Pils bottles when we all left-perhaps theres a link................
Right -Leon...Best set up a round or two dear boy-I can no longer be doing with this constant gossip and innuendo-So who wants the low-down on my hot date
-What all of you -dear lord what ??*%$£_-no,never mind.......
Welll....I am sure I can trust you all to respect a confidence.....so....
We met under the Union Station clocktower -me with a posy of spring flowers and a bottle of rose wine
Her with a posse of Can-Am Nomads M.C and a medium calibre firearm...........an evening made in heaven (-ok you lot-pace yourselves.)
A venue is decided upon-the second class saloon-they will serve anyone -with which ,the cycles are started--I am a helpless passenger-I squat down on the buckboard of Helga`s Cossack 650 twin as she boots it into rude life-O.K -looks like we are gonna get there
---NOTE-dont EVER get onto a sidecar unless you know what you are doing...please
My word-that was a ride-I`m just gonna go and sit quietly for a minute or two--Mmmm -ok-
Right,I finally make it into the bar and its the intermountain village domino championship tonight-passions are roused-I`am sure Pete remembers the rare thrill of a handfull of 6`s &3`s during a cup game......
O.K-
Good afternoon Leon , I think a Keith's and a large reuban sandwich with several pickels from the barrel will serve me well thank-you.Here's a couple extra "bobb" for a round or two this evening.
Tom-Must be a four day weekend oh well we does what we does I suppose . Funny you mentioned food prices,I didn't find the restaurant prices all that bad or out of line when we were out east this past summer,mind you we don't go for the four star jobs generally as well ( don't do Mc barfburgers or the like either )I'm wondering if it's the place,salaries are not as big out east as they are here yet prices are the same could have some influence on it , taxes are taxes most of us don't bat much of an eye at it anymore
Loved the latest batch 'o' drumheads to keep us on the rails thanks
Eric-Interesting shot of the Station and the tilt, a drunken sailor might get a bit confused by that shot or feel right at home.
Pete-Nice shots of the Irish deisels the shots enlarged quite well. A nice Great Northern esk livery on some of them
I had heard that it was not a stunt man problem but that Sean Connery wanted to big a price to play you
maybe we can get oneof the H&H girls to wear the leprican outfit,Green Leather is in isn't it
Saw a couple of our guys "peeking in" several times . . . Don't know what to say other than we're in calm winds 'n waters . . . no movement about the rigging. <uh oh>
Good to see Pete swing by if for no other reason than to get rid of this offering! <grin> Figured I'd NOT Post 'til at least one guy came thru those doors . . .
And Email sent to Rendezvous III attendees - answer needed!
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #5
(1) Nickel Plate Limited
(2) N&W Cavalier
(3) NP - North Coast Limited
(4) PRR Broadway Limited <variation>
(5) CRI&P <Rock Island> Corn Belt Rocket
(6) Soo Line
(7) Sou - The Crescent
(8) SP - Daylight
(9) SP&S - Columbia River Express
(10) UP - Streamliner
(11) Wabash - Banner Blue
(12) WP - Exposition Flyer
Enjoy!
Missed any
#1 . . . Page 156
#2 . . . Page 158
#3 . . . Page 166
#4 . . . Page 183
I'll join DL in a pint of Harvey's please RUTH.
DL Congrats on the 3,700th reply at the bar.
I had not realized that the Liverpool to Harwich direct service does not run today. I guess to travel the cross country route today would need 3 changes or travel via London with a change of station. I think the bride summed it up when we traveled to Dumfries, after a Pendelino trip to Carlisle, we changed on to a 156 and the bride said, "This is a real train".
Very much enjoyed the link to the Shropshire & Montgomery Railway, known locally as the ‘Potts' I believe. I will send the link to Alan as he is from the area. If I recall right, Gazelle was in the Army museum at Beverley Yorkshire, I think that museum as closed now so I do not where Gazelle is nowadays. Thanks for sharing.
ROB. That is so true about seeing something at a train show and thinking I will get that a bit later it as nearly always gone when you get back, on the other hand if you do buy it generally you see the same item on another stall at a cheaper price.
Glad you found the info on the headboards useful.
There was going to be a movie about the black bag but they could not find a stunt double.
ERIC Thanks for the info on stopping a train in slippery conditions, a hard job not realized by many passengers.
Did you get to travel on many of the overground lines of the London Underground while in London.
Thanks for the photo of the ‘tilting' X2000 at Cincinnati Union Station.
TOM Many thanks for the covers and the descriptions of the books from the Can-Am library. In the Classic American Railroad Terminals is great that some of the stations are still standing today although there have been some sad losses like New York's Penn Station. They are a hard hitting, but true, notes to Super Trains.
I see Nick's band is due to play at the bar on St Patrick's Day, any volunteers for the wearing of the Leprechaun Suit yet.
Yes it would be great if I knew the answer how to get some of the ‘viewers' into patrons of the bar.
Thanks for the information and the photo of Cincinnati Union Station (any idea how the city got that name, by the way). It is great the building as survived and is a museum but surely it deserves a better rail service than the 3 times weekly Cardinal.
Looking forward to the new contest.
As promised some Irish diesels.
001, originally A, class diesels outside the depot by Dublin Connolly station These locos were built by Metropolitan Vickeres in 1955-56, they were later re-engined with a General Motors diesel.The right hand loco could be 001.
Northern Ireland Railways class 111 No 111 at Dublin Connolley station. These 3 NIR locos were simular to the GM Irish Rail class 071.
Irish Rail class 071 at what I believe is Sligo station having arrived from Dublin. These GM locomotives were built in 1976.
Class 141 from General Motors built in 1962, No 157 is at Limerick Junction.
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These should enlarge.
Well Ruth a round for those that come in please RUTH.
It's Tuesday ‘n the start to a new work week for those who had a holiday yesterday. Also time to join us for a mugga Joe, a pastry or three ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Now that we've made it to the 3,700th Post here at the reborn bar, there will be another CONTEST coming up to select the date ‘n person to achieve the 4,000th! Watch for it . . .
Yes, Boris - we'll have TWO CONTESTS running at the same time <simultaneously> or <together both> - just watch for it!
This ought to really blow the minds of those guys who <traditionally> never read through the criteria for entering . . . <grin>
Monday - Feb 18th: <all times Central standard>
Page 185 - Pete (pwolfe) at 11:52 AM: As previously mentioned, was beginning to think this day was a "wash" - but pretty much expected it as without Lars, there's just no more dependability to the morning "slot." And of course, this being a federal holiday across the land, no CM3 Shane . . . add those together ‘n one gets "doldrums." But I'm preaching to the choir <again> for the guys who COULD help out, just don't seem to want to . . . <groan>
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger - I didn't know the origin of the Overland Route until being exposed to the material here at the bar over these years. That couple with the modest hardcover RR book library I've amassed has surely ED-U-MUH-KATED me.
We're not going to get into anything elaborate for St. Pat's Day ‘round here. Just the "usual" wearin' o' the green ‘n some Irish influence here ‘n there. We don't have the numbers to do much more . . . But I do have to figure out who wears the Leprechaun suit <'n it ain't gonna be Moi!>
Methinks your definition of "under control" is a tad different from mine. Your bar tab is being kept on a "roll" - wonder why that is <uh oh>
Observations <bang on> regarding the "look ins" we get on this reborn Thread ‘n over on the Original site. Amazing - simply amazing. One can pretty much count on being directed to "Our" Place if doing a search on a myriad of railroad/railway topics in the Ether. That says something about us, eh Honestly don't care about dozens of steady customers - would just like to have some occasional visitors who give a Rat's Patoot - the guys on the periphery have most times bailed us out of long-term droughts. But, we're runnin' low these days. <groan>
Appreciate your recognizing ‘n mentioning the movies at the Emporium Theatre . . . there are times when I wonder . . . but you've always been right on top of ‘em!
Page 186 - Dan (DL-UK) at 12:27 PM: As previously noted, your Post - the 3,700th on our reborn Thread surely helped with the <blahs> of the day. ‘Tween you ‘n Pete, the day was salvaged after a long period of inactivity.
Enjoyed eavesdropping the Post of our Resident Railway ‘n Pub Aficionado in the UK! <grin>
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:30 PM: Can't tell you how many times I've picked something up at a train show, put it down, walked away - then after a time, wondered . . . <geesh>
My guess is it's our numbers moreso than the holiday that has made things rather slow 'round here. Just think about WHO our regulars are, then it should be evident - we don't have the numbers. Now for the guys on the periphery, well as muc
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Time for a good ham sandwich! A tick slice of real rye bread and two slices of sugar cured ham on top of it. Some lettuce, pickles and mayo. And fries!
It seems like President's Day affected Our Place today! Or, maybe I am wrong.
Tom – Stopping a train at a certain spot is about knowing what you have, length of train, weight, brakes, etc. What is hard is in the fall when the leaves are falling of the trees, especially in combination with a drizzle that makes it wet. It can be ubelievable slippery and that makes it very difficult or impossible to stop at a certain spot. I can imagine a sea going vessel is har to stop at a certain spot, but in a different way. Maybe a topic for the Rendezvous? Only 86 days away!!!I did not provide any information about the signals because I don’t know enough about all of them. That could be something for a future Saturday though. I'll work on it. When I started to go to Cracker Barrel I signed up for their Neighborhood program in which they promised that one would get this after X number of visits and that after Y number of visits, etc. To make sure I got everything they promised I started to keep track of my visits. I did. A number of years ago they canceled that program but tracking the visits had become a habit. But after they canceled the program I am only counting the visits to “my” restaurant. That is why I know I have been there 2,474 times now. Irish heritage? Me? Hmmm.Good movies. I actually have Gettysburg on tape! But I’ll be happy to see it again at the Emporium! Including the Whale Rider and The Three Stooges! Hope Allan can make it to see the Whale Rider!Good collection of hard cover books! I think it is Cincinnati Union Station on the cover. I’ve been there but did not take any picture of the building.
Demonstration of the tilting system at Cincinnati Union Station 1993.
Ron – Hope you will get your computer up and running again soon!Rob – I don’t think there is any Keg here in the Valley. Red Lobster? Hmmm, fish is cat food. Mike – Wow, interesting story about the Great Grain Elevator! Is it still standing? Thanks for all the photos! Pete – Most locomotives have sanding equipment. Yes, when the wheels are sliding all you can do is to release the brakes and try again. Very carefully. As far as I know there are still some wig-wag signals in use in Wisconsin. There should be at least one in Baraboo. DL – Yes, the Jubilee Line was brand new when I rode it in 1979. I have been to England and London three times and I used the Underground many times when in London. I hope to get back there again some time. Hand-raulic! That is a good expression. See this link:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=handraulicEric
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