"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

I'm back and have the bar ... Leon will be a bit late this evenin' ......

Appears that our late afternoon gathering has lived up the place a bit ... [swg] Always can count on BudKarr for his [2c] opinion! Which of course is alright 'round here - we all have 'em. Just don't want to get it in the range of insulting or personal. That can be a fine line to walk when one considers we are in the Ether and truly are unaware of the reactions one may have to our words and connotations. Then you crank in social, religious, national and cultural differences and - that's how wars begin! [swg]

No, no, no - not accusing you of starting anyting BK! Appreciate your input and hope to see you back soon again. [tup]

When I was in Norway years ago - actually decades ago, riding trains was the furthest thing on my mind. Our ship pulled into Oslo for a 3 day/night stay. What a great time! A story for another time 'n place; maybe Toronto in May! [swg] I envy you for having the opportunity to travel to Scandanavia - great part of the world.

Also can "relate" a bit to your comments regarding Monteral's QE Hotel. We've stayed there too and enjoyed it. However, I've opted to stay across the street from Central Station, with a room with windows overlooking the tracks! Lots to look at ... [swg]

troybetts Troy You got it - one straight glass at the end of the bar with your name on the coaster! [tup] Amazing how this place of ours seems to be a gathering point for some serious and light hearted rail talk. Infectious is the word I'm thinking of ... and one doesn't need a "shot" to get on with life! [swg]

We'll be looking for your Posts on the Classics Trams or Trains - works 'round here.

pwolfe Pete Thanx for stopping in. The 2nd URL didn't work .... maybe it's temporarily down. I'll check it out later. I think you've developed a following 'round here! [swg] Good times, good info and good friends - can't beat that, eh [?] I think I forgot to thank you for the round you bought the house last night - THANX! [tup]

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Aftternoon Tom and the gang...

Hope i'm not too late for lunch, non alcoholic whatever (Near Beer, yuck!), gotta keep sharp. I've been occupied all day interviewing, charging and booking some indivdules who refused to play nice in the sandbox, so to speak.

Thought I'd breeze in for a quick vist to acknowledge all the thought provoking conversation occuring at "Our Place". Awk deserves the best Tom....Hate to leave, but processing awaits with all the associated forms, statements, witness accounts,etc.

I shall return later as time permits .
Allow me to cover a round for the house in the meantime. Bong..bong..clang..I see the bell still has that flat spot, Boris?


Dave
[:D]

[Anonymous]

G'evening everyone, Tom or Leon, I need to catch the "early bird" special: baked stuffed fillet of Flounder (w/blue crab), scalloped spuds and Broccoli spears in a rich cheddar cheese sauce, please.[^] Chrissy? Where on earth did that come from?[:I] Must've been from some previous encounter from my sordid past of "one-nighters" on the road.[:-^] Say Russell, please check me on this. Isn't this the URL? www.kcstar.com to find the archive (Sunday October 31, 1999, section U). Perhaps "Special Editions" under "Archives" will be helpful search words.

Hi troybetts, your gravitation to "Our" Place sounds very familiar. Yes, I believe most of us had "run the gauntlet" of wide-open-forums before Proprietor Tom opened his cyber saloon. I like to think the strongest features of this thread is all of the things it ISN'T.[tup] Those "things" being some user's endless negative rhetoric on inane points of trivia taken to "adnauseum."[banghead] There is no shortage of Guinness or lager glasses, so we will be here when you are.[tup]

"Xcuuuse moi" (Steve Martin, "Sat. Night Live"), do you NFL "back in the saddle again" Fans recall where the Stanely Cup now languishes? Let's not count our Red Wings and Maple Leafs lest a Lightning Bolt comes from out of the "Blue."[swg] Count 'em nine hotels owned by C.N. alone. I do recall those oppulent natural wood paneled dining rooms with the polished flat ware, decoratively folded, spotless table linens, hand burnished brass appointments, Drezden high stemmed crystal, etal. And, always the aroma of wonderful entrees melding together with rich coffee and just a tinge of fine furniture polish; it was unmistakably "first class."[^] As a wee Lad, it only meant dressing in a suit and tie and little more, until now.[:D]

Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing any Posts with definitive track plans involved. If anyone can elaborate on the reason, please share. I'm guessing the software must be very expensive? Oh Rob, i just copied another disc of my early layout efforts. There are but a few frames worthy of posting, still they are better than the previous disc. Before any more is said here, I'll e-mail you some details for consideration, okay? Okay, just catching up a bit more on past replies but need to "hang it up" for now. Boris, where is Awk's new perch? Oh, you are not your birdies keeper? By Gadfrey, Nick must be tutoring him "on the sly." Tom, that would explain away any irregularities in the "tub'" monies, wouldn't it?[:D] Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

And so it continues .... the Thursday night Fish 'n Chips and the bunch in the back room shooting pool. Large screen TV's ready for baseball and hockey. Should be a good night 'round here. [swg]

West Coast S Dave "Book 'em Dave-o" - sorry, just had to say that! [;)] Business first, then fun 'n frivolity. Takin' care of business is understood ... one has to do what one has to do in order to keep the bills paid.

Appreciate the round - Boris ring the bell! By the way, I think I missed acknowledging a round from you last night - my apologies! [tup]

Manager Ted You must have reverted back to your position as Interim Chief Chief [C=:-)], for I don't recall seeing those selections on the Nick's Picks Menu Board. Good ones and no doubt will be popular with the track gang. [swg]

Appreciate the URL and if memory is correct, I do believe they charge for archival stuff. Hope not ......

Regarding track plan development, I'll probably drop an inquiry on the appropriate Forum for some feedback. My S Capades layout idea for the 4-point hoist system came from such an effort. Also have received some other very helpful info on an assortment of other questions. All's not negative - just that there are so many people who frequent these forums with apparently very little in the form of a life. Then again, it would be easy to apply that label to me! <Good Grief!>

Tampa Bay Lightning! Oh [yeah], who could forget that NHL Stanley Cup in the bastion of Hockeydom known as Florida. Another <Good Grief!> I'm a fan from the days of the "original six." Still shudder at the thought of the first expansion to include St. Louis, Philadelphia, etc. It all worked out and here we are today with more teams than people willing to fill the seats. Ain't that the way [?]

While I don't recall staying at any of the premier railroad hotels, I do recall staying down in Mobile, AL at a hotel owned by the Waterman Steamship Co. My father was a "mate" for that company and shipped out with them before, during and after WWII. The descriptions you offered reminded me very much of our two week stay in Mobile right before he shipped out for the Inchon Invasion in 1950. Flew down on Capital Airlines and returned home to NYC by train in a roomette aboard the Southern Railway (don't recall the name of the train.)

By the by, Awk's perch is not missing - just had to have some "residue" removed from the gold plating! <ugh> [swg]
Okay - time for me to catch the Astros vs Braves along with the Blues vs Red Wings Part Deux!

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

pwolfe, thanks again for 2 terrific URL sites. I wish I had included the Isle of Man on my Irish intenerary now. All of towns and villages look absolutely hand manicured, the rolling stock, buses and taxis are meticulously cared for as well. A far cry from my views of the "Old Sod." This is not a condemnation, only an observation. What a wonderful, pristine business car that Canadian Car and Foundry specimen is. You know, I would like nothing more than being a "third wheel" on any plans for a sojourn to the U.K. for that "first class" rail pass adventure. As everything we touch is now going "out of sight" with fuel inflation, the prospects grow dimmer by each month. Thanks for the additional "poop" on prior subjects Tom. BTW, that Hotel in Mobile wouldn't have been the Malaga would it? Just a "shot in the dark." Now, I really must "call it a day." 'til tomorrow.

[nickinwestwales]

RIGHT----a return to roots tonight I think,[4:-)]TOM-when ROB,our recently recruited chandler of the bar,first suggested Fish & Chip night. It was as a traditional " wrapped in newspaper & eaten on the way home from the cinema" type of event,since then it has evolved into a bizarre Rabelaisian feast which rather loses sight of it`s origins,therefore,tonight we are delighted to offer:- Cod,Haddock or Plaice in batter (large or small) also Skate Wing or Rock Salmon to order,sausages,saveloys,black puddings and chicken quarters battered or plain,a variety of pies & pasties,onion rings,apple or pineapple fritters,pickled Onions & eggs are in the jars by the pigs feet,chips in small,medium & large Salt,Vinegar Ketchup etc are on the side counter-----Enjoy [^]...........O.K,whilst you lot are making up your minds,on to post---[4:-)]TOM-E-Mail R&R-have checked back to earlier pix-definately a more streamlined you-lookin lean & mean ma man,works for you[tup]-Simon & Garfunkel strangely tempting,something about those pure high harmony notes-notes we can all hit,but pitched an octave above,where angels fear to tread-still sends a shiver up the back-and not much does these days.....back to trains,comments noted R.E. Athearn cars,suspect problem is more with my P/Way,as to wheelsets,these babies are running on inside bearing axles with disc brakes mounted outside the wheels-standard Bombardier design,I believe but no replacements available from stock-strangely,the matching Walthers F40-ph is also prone to measuring it`s length in the ballast whilst the VIA livery one runs faultlessly...[:-^]...go figure,as they say......PETE-get `em over here and we`ll show `em a time !![^]!!--the ancient Celtic tradition of the breakfast lock-in,the endless variety of single-malts,every kind of train from 160 year old n/g steam to Eurostars,Pendolinos & H/row Express--have the combined volume for `62 to hand-checking as we speak-Havn`t had time to check I.O.M site yet but have some Manx steam pix from books that may complement whats there. Thanks for kind words R.E.layout tour-never did get my hands on the two `signature` S+D locos-the 2p 4-4-0 and the `big girl`7f 2-8-0,although Dapol did bring out a rather nice version of the 2p I couldn`t justify the outlay...such is life........On a random note,whilst checking for Baldwin 4-6-0t data earlier I came across some other overlooked Baldwin exports---The Bavarian state railways purchased two 2-8-0`s in 1899 and two atlantics in 1901--apparently the engines caused a complete change in design philosophy for the entire national system.............ROB-Again,thanks for kind words-Is that club layout you mention the one featured on the earlier pages of your album-the T.H&B livery rings a bell,if so,take note of scenic work folks,yer man ROB here had a hand in it [tup]--R.E. Landlord of this fair tavern-looking at recent pix,he`s back to enlistment weight & got that "lets have a look at you then"twinkle in his eye-if he wants Labatts,who are we to argue-We can keep the good stuff for ourselves[^]--easiest in the long run--excellant news R.E NO streetcars,a little light in that piece of darkness-thanks for passing that one out [tup].............MANAGER TED..Chrissy ?--you didn`t,by chance,end up in the back room at Otto`s Monacles & Manacles did you ?-not all of those "ladies" are,strictly speaking,ladies-in fact,none of them are-I do hope you didn`t sign anything whilst under their sway-I await news with trepidation...TROY-a fellow Brit is always welcome-as to contributing,its pretty much a case of "whatever you got is good"-more a sort of attitude thing really-if you`re behind it,it works--"classic" is a marvelously flexible definition-As you are in Tenterdon,you may know some neighbours of mine that have just retired back to the village-Owen ( Ozzy) John and his wife Val-he ran the Lambeth Borough Council `week in the country` residential centre for inner-city kids just outside the town and Val worked as a primary school teacher--unlikely but you never know..............BK...-If you find yourself in Norway the Flam line is apparently one to go for-general note--in Norway ,it is possible to buy a return ticket from Hell to Paradis-both stations on N.S.R--right,busy day tomorrow (fence posts arrived) plus full weekend of gigs so moonlight mile for me,be happy folks,regards,nick[C=:-)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gents. Tom Blue it is [sigh] I'll have to teach you the finer points of CDN beers when you arrive next may.Thanks for the piece on CNR hotels. I've never spent a night at any of them but I have lunched at the Fort Gary[:O] I never knew that french onion soup could cost $10 in the 1980's[sigh] oh well the decor and the service could not be beat. [swg] Ted Fire away with your email, I'm sure that you are just being har***o your efforts again. Few people except for Troy and yourself can pull off the scratch building of trolley's 'n' trams in "G" let alone other scales. nick Thanks for getting back to the roots of the fish and chip night. Put me down for the cod please. The club i mentioned was not the one I belonged too. Ours pailed by comparisin in size and in completenss and functionality. But you are right alot of the scenery in the shots I put up were worked on by myself and my good friend and partner in crime who's currently that clubs president. Pete Wow dangnabbitt you done and did it again. I haven't made it through the first two sites yet and he drops two more [swg][tup] keep them comming it's really good stuff. Troy I haven't found your email yet. If you sent it from your home it's likely in my junk folder, my comoputer does that until i add you to my safe list / address book. If I'm unable to retreave it i'll send you another email throught he forum an dlet you know. My main question for you if you got the forum email from me was which type of PCC you would like the shots of. Our museum is blessed in that we have both all electric and air electric models. In many different shapes and forms. Personally I like TTC 4000 our air electric. Being it was built in 1938 it still has all it's art deco lines [tup] I'd love to see and hear your tram tales as well.One can never have too much "juice" I was glad to hear that te NO transit faired fairly well, indeed good news from an otherwise awfull situation,I figured that everyone would have been happy to hear that. I'm going to sneak off for now. Oh Ted I'm awaitimg your first stretch in the pond of traction info with baited breath. I'm tooling up a couple of more tales for you and the gang as well. The Montreal and Southern Counties will be next . tale care all. Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.

[wow][C=:-)]NICK has made me really think of England with the Fish and Chips. The wife can't believe we used to wrap them in newspaper. I'll have the plaice as it was not always available at our local chippy. You had to ask for one to be put in and wait while it cooked and of course it cost more. A pint of Bathams to wash it down please.

YES TED you would be more than welcome to come to England. It would be great if we could have a OUR PLACE visit there. At the moment I dont know when I can get back over.

As to the ISLE OF MAN to my shame I have only been there once over 20 years ago. A friend and I sailed from Heysham Lancashire on the Isle of Man Steam Packet Co. Manx Queen. It was a smallish ship with about 6 motor cars on the stern. We found the bar as the restaurant had a large queue. It was quite busy but soon emptied until there was just three of us and the bar-man. The bar was situated mid-ships and it wasnt until I had to go to the heads that I realised that the Irish Sea had gotten quite rough. When we got to the little hotel the owner said he had been there 15 years and that was the first ferry he has seen dock sidewards.Being new to the sea then I was blissfully unaware.

The Isle of Man was just like stepping back in time. They used to sell a 3 day ticket valid for the vintage transport. They even have Horse trams running along the seafront between the steam and electric depots. The great thing was the original cars and locos some of which has been running for over 100 years.

One memory was we went on a mystery motor coach tour, booked in advance. When it came to depart, a sea fog had descended and I could just about see the roadside hedges but no further. The bus driver still gave the commentary on what we would have seen if it was clear. At least we stopped in a small village with a good pub.

NICK Although there was not a British Railway 2P4-4-0 saved, did you know that there is an almost identical one in the Cultra Museum in Northern Ireland near Belfast. Although this of course is of 5 foot 3 inch gauge. In was an NCC engine and is painted in Midland crimson.

TOM I hope you had better luck with the website. It woudn't let me into it one, but it now seems to be working okay.

Can I have a pint for the road? And some fis and chips to take away...lots of salt and vinegar.

Hope to see you soon! PETE

[Fergmiester]

Good Morning Gents

It's a bit early but ah what the heck make mine a

Kieth's!

Well it's good to be home on the dry stuff for a while and in a more temperate climate. Though the heat once I got home was a bit oppresive (High 60's)

I spent three hours on the tarmack yesterday afternoon with three inches of snow on the ground and a 30 knot wind and engaged in flight ops. A tad too chilly!

Yes it's good to get home!

Lisa will be bringing home some more Kieth's tonight Tom... Want one?

Anyway I thought I'd drop in and say hello and by the way Tom thanks for the e-mails as they were always a highlight to a normally laclustre day.

Later Gents

Fergie

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gang!

Looks like I've gotta bit of catch up before gettin' the Summary out .....

Checked out rather early last night - really was tired! [zzz] Happens! [swg]

Ted I've really "racked my brain" and cannot for the life of me come up with the name of the hotel in Mobile. That was 1950, though and I was 12! Anyway, I remember it was "catywumpus" from the Waterman Steamship headquarters building on the main street in Mobile. I rather large and elegant place. Did some searches on the web just to see if there are any "hits" on "hotels of the 1950's in Mobile" - but came up empty.

By the by, there's a lady looking for you, oh there she is

said her name is Chrissy and she really, really needs to talk to you about a <ahem> personal matter of delicacy. Stay tuned .......... [swg]

Nick A great all inclusive Post from our West Wales Correspondent - good show, mate! [tup][tup][tup] Now, what did you say [?] <grin>

I'm hardly at my enlistment weight back in '56. That would be nice, but some things have changed and others have "shifted." [swg] Happens. I suspect this weight loss will be a temporary thing - alas. I would really like to trim ship a bit before the winter sets in and I become even more lethargic.

Should you be able to make the Rendezvous in Toronto we'll just have to sample all of those beers that Rob and you seem to think I know very little about! Remember - I'm the guy who introduced many of the gang to Alexander Keiths (fine) Pale Ale from Nova Scotia as well as Kokanee from British Columbia. If it's a challenger you are hinting at - bring it on! [yeah]

I took another "tour" of your pix and your model railroad. Really like the mix that you've put together. That's one of the more pleasant aspects of the hobby - if it works for you, that's all that matters! [tup] Nice photography and even better inventory.

There are a couple of things in life that really, really wear me down. I've never been able to master the technique of digging fence post holes without completely exhausting myself. Next comes pulling the starter rope on a balky gasoline engine for a mower or other "labor saving" equipment. Then there's sawing wood, as in trees. Just knocks me out every time. Obviously I put too much of myself into it much too fast. Kinda the same way with ....... but that's for another day, perhaps in Toronto in May! [swg

Rob Those elegant hotels constructed, owned and operated by CPR and CNR weren't for the likes of the "common folk." Sad to say, but really true. They were for the Gentry and the other well-healed travelers. It's nice, though, to take a step back in time and frequent one of the remaining bastions of luxury. Always brings to mind what it must have been like for those others in life who were able to enjoy the surroundings.

The beer capitulation is accepted - LaBatts Blue it shall be! [swg] Okay, rest easy Vito the Hit - the man doesn't need new "shoes" made of concrete. I told you, he's okay....... <Geesh>

I received your Email inquiry and am trying to locate the URL for you ....

Pete When the idea of a Rendezvous first came up, I really thought seriously about Great Britain and Nick. Then the reality set in, spelled out - C-O-S-T-S for the travel. Perhaps one day - and it would definitely be a wonderful place to go.

Always find it a bit humorous that the first place many of us locate aboard ship or the long distance train, is the bar! [swg] Now, I have very little experience drinking aboard ship - seriously. In our Coast Guard and Navy it is prohibited big time and a serious matter if caught at it. Just another difference between "us" and "you." Anyway, imbibing aboard moving objects, as in trains and planes, well that's an entirely different matter. Something about "motion" that does it ...... [swg]

Still can't access that site - I'll check the web to see if perhaps there's another way "in."

Catch ya later guys! Remember, Cindy comes in at 9 AM and will be here 'til 5 PM. [wow]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Reminder: Tonight is Pizza Nite plus Steak ‘n Fries to start the weekend! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM! [tup]

Info for the Day:

Comin’ Events:

Saturday, Oct 8th : OKTOBERFEST!
Sunday, Oct 9th Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Wednesday, Oct 12th: The 6th month Anniversary of the creation of ”Our” Place.

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags, etc.

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” 1800’s & early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 CP Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)
125 – AT&SF
127 – B&O
127 – B&O Strata-Dome ad
127 – B&O Encor! ad
128 – CM&StP
129 – CB&Q
129 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 CN Hotels, Ltd.

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 00:05:35 (129) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 00:50:50 (129)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 07:31:38 (129) ]Fallen Flag – CB&Q

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 10:46:27 (129)

(5) troybetts Troy Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:09:35 (129)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:27:28 (129) reply to trolleyboy & theodorebear

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:40:38 (129) reply to troybetts

(8) troybetts Troy Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 14:19:41 (129)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 14:41:58 (129) CN Hotels, Ltd.

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:01:57 (129)

(11) BudKarr BK Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:07:46 (129)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:34:35 (129) reply to troybetts – pwolfe – BudKarr

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 18:30:24 (130)

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 18:47:44 (130)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 19:24:12 (130) reply to West Coast S & Theodorebear

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 20:02:48 (130)

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Oct 2005, 08:02:41 (130) catch up

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

[#welcome] Home Chief Officer Fergie! Another trip logged and some inport time to take full advantage of. [yeah] I recall those days (daze)!

Nice of you to stop by this morning, and YES I'd love to enjoy a Keiths. Whoa! This is a bar 'n grill, I can have as many of those and some others, as I wish! [yeah] Somehow, the taste is just a tad "off." [swg]

Glad the Emails were some degree of pleasantness for you while up in the Arctic. As we've discussed - didn't have that capability back in "my day." Then again, motive powered ships were rather new as well! <grin>

You might enjoy the Fallen Flags series that are rather recent. Suggest you check the SUMMARY page for more detail on how to find 'em.

Catch ya later and don't be a stranger!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

G'mornin' we few, trust your day will be another welcomed "T.G.I.F." Sure glad I'm not living in N.Y. sweating the subway threats. Just driving the streets 'round here is scary enough. Let's see, a good old fashioned glazed cruller and Brazillian boiled beans should do the trick this A.M. Hey Tom and Nick, I wrested the Flounder fillets from the depths of the walk-in freezer where Boris was catching a few "ZZZs" for his mid afternoon siesta. Otto's Monacle and Manacle Shoppe? Why yes, I did drop in once, prompted by morbid curiosity. Couldn't get beyond the first showcase displaying sundry items of carnal arousel. Wouldn't want any of that appearing on my Visa invoices, don't cha now.[xx(]

Rob and Russell you have mail. The Title of the K.C. Star article in question is: "Symbol of the city." My Uncle sent this special section to me 6 years ago. BTW, the "massacre" in front of Union Station is also examined in the article. Seems K.C. was rife with "Mob" crime during and after the Pendergast machine.[:O] This would be contemporary with the Al Capone days in Chicago (circa 1930's).[#offtopic] Okay, pull your leash lanyard Boris, this round is on me. Tom, while I'm still "off base," thought I'd mention a similar confrontation to your's in the "City." This occured in Regina, Saskatchewan (the Hub of U.S. Draft Dodgers). I didn't need to clinch a fist as the local Canadians "cleaned their plow" at the first sign of an ultrication.[tup] We all then repaired to the Hotel pub for a "serious" night of ribaldry.[^]

Troy, seems we share in common the "itch" to "scratch." I did a few items of rolling stock in 'HO', a couple of 'S' gauge standard heavyweights and a Cinn. Car in 1:30 'G' gauge. I do work from shop plans (dimensions) where possible but go from photos for structures. Hopefully, I will have some pix up for the "Our" Place Sunday Photo Fun a.s.a.practical. The P.C.C. should be a challange with its delicate contours, recesses, et al. Still, working in 'G' is sooo much nicer than knuckle bending on the smaller genre. My "off the shelf" stuff is Aristo Craft (Gas Electric, Boxs, standard R.P.O., etc.). Have you seen the "working" snow plow being touted in "Garden Railways Magazine (this issue)?" The streamer is worth a look because it really performs.[^] As you know, models as well as protoypes are welcomed, so don't be a stranger. Say, if you haven't scoped Rob and Pete's links as yet, I'm sure you will get a "boot" out of them.

"Right you lot,"[C=:-)] let's see what we can do with a Maple Leaf stuffing for the Canadian Thanksgiving bird of choice.[swg] 'Course that follows the Sunday photo ops. Then, come the 12th, its "Our" Place 6 month observance extravaganza repleat with entertainments and, hopefully, some personal input from our "Order of the Stools" membership.[tup] Come on Members, how about some personal snipettes from your railroading past? Cindy, another round please and Boris...you know what to do. CLANG- -CLANG- -CLANG Gadfrey Daniel! Cindy, do you take Visa?[:(!]

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Soo Line

Headquarters: Minneapolis, MN

Mileage:

1954: 3,159
1961 (before 1985 acquisition of Milwaukee Road): 4,719

Locomotives in 1954:

Steam: 47
Diesel: 76

Rolling stock in 1954:

Freight cars: 8,035
Passenger cars: 128

Principal routes (w/Wisconsin Central) in 1954:

Chicago-Minneapolis/St. Paul
Minneapolis-Portal, ND
Minneapolis-Sault Ste. Marie, MI
Dresser, WI-Duluth, MN
Owen, WI-Duluth, MN
Glenwood-Noyes, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Atlantic Limited (Minneapolis-Boston, with CP and B&M east of Sault Ste. Marie)
Copper Country Limited (Chicago-Calumet, MI with CMStP&P Chicago-Champion, MI, thence DSS&A/Soo to Calumet)
Duluth-Superior Limited (Minneapolis-Duluth)
Laker (Chicago-Duluth & Minneapolis &Ashland, WI; rerouted to Superior, WI from Duluth in 1961)
Mountaineer (St. Paul-Vancouver, BC, with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Soo Dominion (St. Paul-Vancouver with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Winnipeger (St. Paul-Winnipeg, MB, with CP from Noyes to Winnipeg)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

6th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place

WHEN [?] . . . Wednesday, Oct 12th

TIME [?] . . . Any time!

FOR [?] . . . All customers of "Our" Place, but in particular, the members of the Order of the Stools

THEME [?] . . . A personal railroading experience. Yes, personal! Doesn't matter if you've mentioned it previously - "do overs" are more than welcome! [tup]

Thanx to Manager and part-time Desperado, Ted for this most appropriate idea for the celebration! [tup][tup][tup]

Remember, no participation equates to no interest 'round here! Don't be left out, this has all the makings for a grand time at our bar 'n grill - help us make it so! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hello all.Evening here (16.45)
Pwolfe.I am lucky to have a full sized steam railway very close to me.When the wind is in the right direction I get free sound effects for the garden railway !
My next door neighbour is apprenticed to their workshop and a work colleague drives the trains on weekends.Needless to say I get some really good opportunities for photos and all of my children have been lucky enough to drive a real steam engine.(and Dad)
They have 2 U.S 060's.One has been in the workshops for ages.The other is in war livery (grey with white lettering) and has been the main performer all of this season.Soon however it will enter the shop for a full overhaul (years)
Theodorebear.-I love scratchbuilding.I try and do it without plans,using just photos and a scale figure.
Am Right in assuming that photos are allowed on Sundays.If so I'll post a picture of each of my models so far.
Well that's all for now.
Troy
Ps.Rob if you didn't get the e-mail let me know and I'll resend.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Cindy go ahead and take your lunch break ... I'll handle the bar. [tup]

Manager Ted

If you are willing, I'd like to have you become the Assistant Chief Chef [C=:-)] for "Our Place. Your flare for the culinary most assuredly will enhance the efforts put forth by Chief Chief [C=:-)] Nick all the while filling a void caused by time zone differences. So, whaddyasay [?]

Another fine inclusive Post and much appreciated. Oh if only the brain dead could somehow come 'round to understand that one can have meaningful info exhanges along with some levity, without the helter skelter approach going on elsewhere. But, who cares - really [?] We're here and they aren't! [tup]

That encounter I had with the protesting 20-something in NYC back at the height of the anti-everything protests was told before on this thread. Still gives me a reason to smile, for I truly enjoyed spreading his nose all over his face. [yeah] Probably could have ended my military career, given some of the people we seem to have running the show these days. Can you just imagine the press coverage in NYC with today's rabid dog approach to things like that [?] For once, I was in the RIGHT place at the RIGHT time and perhaps that creep will never forget it either. [swg] Okay - [#offtopic] Boris ring the bell, the round's on the Proprietor! [tup]

The idea of yours regarding our 6th Month Anniversary is now policy. Thanx for the theme - and also the wake-up call to our Order of the Stools members - good thinking, even though you're older than dirt! [swg]

I noticed that Rob hasn't picked up on my references in some past SUMMARIES to Thanksgiving in Canada coming up this Monday. Perhaps he's embarrassed that I'm "onto" him - ya know, back bacon 'n beer for the main course! <grin> Between you 'n Nick I have no doubt that something appropriate will be served. [tup]

troybetts Troy

No, I'm not perched at the keyboard just waitin' for a Post, although there are times it may appear to be that way. [swg] Noticed we had some activity and thought I'd check it out.

Once you have perused our pages, you'll find all kinds of references to the "way" we do business 'round here. For example, Sunday Photo Posting Day! is the preferred day for that kinda stuff and you are more than welcome to particpate. The more the merrier! [tup]. The bar 'n grill is Closed on Sunday, but we have an arrangement whereby Posts may be dropped through the mail slots on either set of front doors. Novel, wouldn't you agree [?] Ah yes, we also greet the barkeep and order a drink upon getting settled on the bar stool. Just a bit of protocal that we like to follow. In time you'll pick up on these things - and if not, well - stand by for Rules Violations! annoucements .... [swg] All in good fun, of course.

I'm sure the guys will respond in kind to your Post - that's another thing we try to stay on top of - ensuring that we remain interactive. We're absolutely NOT a "hit 'n run" thread.

Thanx for the visit!

Tom[4:-)][oX)][C=:-)]

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang.. Tom you have a message...

Where does one begin?

Welcome aboard troybetts, always refreshing to see a new face at "Our Place" Hold on to your wallet, taser and sanity when around Boris!

Wow..Chrissy....my, my, my...I don't know Ted, you and I may have to vie for her attention over a good pint of dark ale and some sprited sportmanship. As I like to quip, "I'd leave my wife for a good steak" this would be much better!

Howdy PWolf, you've been a busy man indeed, your knowledge and experiences with British rail and everything British is outstanding.. Personally, i'm ignorant on all subjects foreign and your informative post are opening new adventures for me...Thank you.

Nick...Par excellence with the fish and chips...only you can work the kitchen magic on so simple a dish, also very active in the local railway scene that is much appreciated. I nominate you and PWolf as the foreign reporters for "Our Place". Now to impart a degree of sophisification to these parts, occasional post in Old English are encouraged, Say ' ye Ole Tom, so say ' ye all?

Tom..Bad boys, bad boys, watcha going to do when I come for you.... Or as we like to say " book 'n' hook" around the office.. I have never been able to reach a conclusion regarding the attraction criminals have to engage in criminal conduct five feet where i'm standing. I did all possible to compromise myself in their presence with no reaction. Some things must remain unexplained I guess...........

I've been remiss in not acknowledging the Fallen Flags over the past several days.

Some say the Milwaukee's Pacifc extension should never have been built. History would later prove these naysayers right, but in between birth and demise what a class operation! Steam, electric and later diesels from every builder in the spectrum, true appeal . So many no longer with us, today only the 261 remains to remind us how great the Milwakee was and how underappreciated by many it was during its lifetime.

The Soo, toughed it out despite massive abandoments and bankruptcy by other rail carriers in the area, survived economic hardship of the local areas it served. Too cash strapped for most of it's existence, kept F's and geeps, well past their prime into active service into the 80s. Sought salvation in the newly formed WC system.


Ok, Set 'em up.......Boris you know the drill.....Bong...bong..bong...

Dave [8D]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #1 from multiple sources

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain! Check this pre-WWI poster out!

ENGLAND & SCOTLAND

EAST COAST ROUTE

GREAT NORTHERN, NORTH EASTERN & NORTH BRITISH RAILWAYS

SHORTEST & QUICKEST ROUTE between LONDON (King’s Cross)
…………………………………. and ………………………………………….
EDINBURGH, PERTH, INVERNESS, ABERDEEN
………………………………….. &c …………………………………………..
DIRECT ROUTE TO GLASGOW AND WESTERN HIGLANDS.

DINING CARS – SLEEPING CARS – CORRIDOR TRAINS
………………………………….. and …………………………………………..
LAVATORY CARRIAGES.

London-Hatfield-Hitchin-Huntingdon-Peterboro-Grantham-Newark-Retford-Doncaster-Selby-York-NorthAllerton-Darlington-FerryHill-Durham-Newcastle-Alnmouth-Berwick-Dunbar-Edinburgh, Perth, Inverness, Aberdeen and Glasgow.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Evening Tom and all. I'll have Schlitz, and a round for the house! (Isn't Schiltz a "fallen" classic beer)?
Here's a fallen flag I doubt that anyone expected. I took this photo off a car at IRM. ..who were bought-out by in 1996.
As near as I can tell, the Chicago and Illinois Midland (CIM) began in 1888, and was purchased by the Illinois Midland Coal Company in 1905. Commonwealth Edison then took ownership in 1907 until 1987. The railraod was held privately until 1996, when it was purchsed by Genesse and Wyoming.
Here's a website for business car #90, which was built in 1890 by the St. Charles Car Company. http://www.midcontinent.org/collectn/stlpas/cim90.html
This is a great site to see how a particular car underwent modifications and changes in ownership over a 73 year active life.
Here's a pic of one of their new Lima 2-8-2's in 1928: http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mikado/cim551.jpg

[siberianmo]

G'day Guys!

I've got the bar ...... Leon the Night Man is "chowing down" on a couple of sirloins and an Italian sausage/pepperoni pizza! [wow]

Some activity to respond to:

West Coast S Dave

Appreciate your taking the time to respond in such an inclusive manner - sure wish everyone would be so thoughtful! [tup]

You'd actually prefer a good steak [?] [%-)][%-)] Well, perhaps a fine cut of Prime Rib .....
[swg]

I think "the General" down in New Orleans summed it up for all time, "Stuck on stupid!" That sez it all insofar as the idiots who think they can get away with virutally anything - anytime, or better said, all of the time. My saying is, "You can't fix stupid!" Either one fits the cirucmstances, dontcha think [?]

Appreciate the comments on the Fallen Flags. The majority of 'em have really gone either unnoticed, or simply not commented on. As I Posted a few pages back - I'm working with the hand I'm dealth, and that's fine. [tup] But, back to those [purple]i\Fallen Flags[/piurple] - the amplifying info is very much appreciated. Never would have known hadn't you shared the info with us! [tup]

barndad Doug Appreciate the round - Boris Ring the bell! [tup] A bit perplexed - such a hit 'n run Post [?] That's something we really don't expect at "Our" Place, but it happens.

Your "Fallen Flag" is interesting. Hope you can come back for Sunday Photo Posting Day! Something that separates this thread from all of the others out there - I hope!

Don't know if you've taken the time to check out all of the great stuff we've had Posted this week - but that's your call!

Catch y'all later - Leon now has the bar. [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

Tom The Rum Ration in the Royal Navy was stopped quite a few years ago I believe, although I think that beer etc. is still available aboard ship. At one of the Queens celebrations a few years ago when she reviewed the fleet, someone I know who was in the Navy, told me that the order " SPLICE THE MAINBRACE HER MAJESTY COMMANDS IT" was given and a special rum ration was issued. It sounds like a grand tradition[^].

Many thanksDAVE for the kind words.It is a great pleasure to be able to contribute to this wonderful bar and I am very much a novice to N. American railroads but OUR PLACE and Classic Trains is a great way to learn.

TROY Thanks for the info on the U.S.A. 0-6-0t engines. You are lucky to have such a good railway as the K&ESR so close [tup]. Looking forward to your photos Sunday.

ROB I have asked my mate for the info on the Immingham Tramcars but as his soccer team Shrewsbury Town have just been beaten by the bottom club 4-0 the answer may take a bit longer coming back [sigh]

TED Are we having turkey or back bacon or both Monday[?][:-,].Great idea for next Wednesday[tup][tup]. It has already made me think of quite a few memerable trips.

TOM Thanks for the flag[tup] How did the SOO line get its name.Great post on the East Coast Route. I ve got to go now but l'll be back a bit later and I'll add my [2c] worth if may PETE.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

Nice crowd in the back room - pool tables are busy - Juke is blarin' and the 3 large screen TV's are on sports tonight! Looks like the Red Sox are finished! Too bad, I was kinda hoping for some "revenge" for last year's sweep in the Series against the Cardinals. [swg]

Pete Two bits of info for ya:

(1) The Soo Line name comes from the pronunciation of Sault Ste. Marie (Soo Saint Marie is the loose Engli***ranslation.) Therefore, the "Soo" kinda fit, dontchathink [?]

(2) Splice the Main Brace

Many a time sea battles were won or lost depending on the ability to take out the sailing rigging of the enemy. Immediately after a battle, the first order of business was to get the men up into the rigging for essential repairs. The most critical of the "braces" for sailing ships was the fore 'n aft support for the vessel's masts - the "main brace." Splicing it (repairing it) earned the men an extra ration of "grog," and of course even more for those who effected the repairs. The term has carried over to the days of steel ships, and as with most things like that - the true origin most probably has been lost. Nevertheless, sailors continue to know what it means, without really knowing!

Okay Boris Splice the main brace - I've been [#offtopic] [swg]

Enjoy the evenin' [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang .......Round for the JWB if you please

Recieved a new DVD that's heart pounding, edge of you seat anxiety attack
inducing, thought I share some of the highlights with you.

The subject matter is the day in the life of the Southern Pacific's Permenete Local in the days immediate before Southern Pacific's demise. The local was so named for the gympsum plant located at the end of the 38 mile Visonia Branch. Due to steep grades, some near 3%, Southern Pacific assigned three unit sets of GP-40's to handle the typical 25-30 car trains, these locals also retained cabooses until the end to abide with local ordances. The local operated every day.

The line was restricted to 10mph operation over the 90lb. rail, no ballast and very little rountine maintaince. Sequence shots of these GP-40's lifting from the rails and then dropping back down due to poor rail joints, missing spikes, splintered/rotten ties, missing bolt plates was enough to make one's heart stop wondering if it would rerail itself or was a derailment in the offing.

The swaying of the entire train was enough to make one seek the relief of Dramamene, espically interesting was the effect on the trailing 25 cars as they did the lift, drop, but not all swayed in the same direction at the same time or same rate, sometimes the consits was spread over several sections of bad rail joints. From my engineering days, it occured to me that if the train crew did not get this condition under control quickly, soon physics would occure and put this train on the ground despite the best intentions from the crew.

More intrigue follows as the lead GP40 hits a poorly maintained track joint at a grade crossing, it's plow tearing out pieces of timber material. The crew has to stop and notify the cities Public Works Department and the Dispatcher of this bit of trouble. Every dip and bad joint is a moment of heart pounding anticipation, sixty minutes worth and so the Southern Pacifc I remember.


Dave
[8D]

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.
A pint of bathams and a medium- well steak please [tup].

TOM Thanks for the origin of Splice the Mainbrace.I have heard it many times but never knew where it came from.

On the East Coast route. Today it is still the fastest to the places mentioned, it isrun by GNER with mostly MK.4 stock hauled by class 91 electrics and a few HSTs which carry on north of Edinburgh on the non-electrified lines. Although it breaks my heart to say so, living on the West coast main line,in my humble opinion they are the best trains running in Britain FAR FAR FAR better than the new Pendelinos. Also the service on the GNER I have found to be first rate.

Getting back to the time of the poster, there was a great rivairy between the West and East routes. IN 1888 and again in1895 there was what was known as the Railway Races to the North. The 1895 race was brought about by the opening of the Forth Bridge thus making the East Coast route the shorter to the Granite City Aberdeen.After a few nights racing in which the trains got lighter and less stops were made the West Coast was the winner. Although the last part of the line to Aberdeen for the East Coast was over Caledonian Railway metals, a West Coast partner,and it is said that the signalman at Kinnerbar Junction gave the West Coast the advantage. Still for that time and the smallness of the locos some remarkable running was achieved One of the West Coast locos a 2-4-0 named HARDWICKE is in the National Railway Museum in York.

Not long after the races there were some serious derailments in England which were
said to have been caused by speeding the Goverment stepped in and the two rivals signed an agreement of ,I think, of not lessthan 8 hours between London and Edinburgh. This lasted till the 1930,s.

Some of the East Coast Expresses at the time were hauled by Stirling 7feet driving wheel 4-2-0s. The 'single wheelers having a come back with the event ot steam sanding. A trully Classic Locomotive class. The preserved loco #1 was steamed for a short while in the 70s .

I hope this has been of interest and please allow me to get a round in.Now for [dinner].
PETE.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Better catch up while I've got the chance ..... [swg]

Dave Thanx for the round! Boris Do your thing! No, no, no - let me rephrase that ....... arghhhhhhh! <geesh> Ring the bell - the bell! [swg]

Your depiction makes me wonder why in the world would the SP risk it [?] Really makes no sense to me to run trains with conditions as you described. Bet the guys "loved" working that route. [tdn]

Before too many pages get racked up, suggest you check a couple out - we've had some pretty interesting sutff - as usual this week. [tup]

Pete Nice supplement to the British Rail Nostalgia Posted earlier back on page 130. I had read about the "races," and found the accounts rather fascinating for sure. Serious business, wasn't it [?]

Glad you enjoyed the Post on the East route and expect to see a couple of more "posters" as I dig through my modest library of RR books. By the by - THANX very much for those RR magazines you gave me aboard the train last week. Very much appreciated indeed. [tup]

Okay Boris Find the bell and ring it - the bell, B-E-L-L <why am I spellilng anything to this dim witted alien, two left footed, cloven beast of a humanoid [?]> Thanx for the round, Pete

Later - maybe! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

right,Ive just read through that lot and I`m absolutely entranced,Gentlemen all,you have done us proud--in advance of sunday pix-BK-resolution on T.G.V pix too poor to be worth transmitting-only thumbnail shots-not enough pixels, sorry-,A.P.T. shots should work though-approaching max resolution,sorry about "blurring", MANAGER TED-as promised,find on sunday the best shot I could find of Glyn Valley Tramway "Sir Theodore"-techie detail available if required,suffice to say,2`4.25" gauge roadside tramway,also rostered a Baldwin 4-6-0t-pic for PETE included-find also pic of Midland Yankee mogul .-as far as I can tell,the Schenectady version only had a single dome,but would be happy to be corrected,(darling...)...Well,it`s only fair to warn you all,I`ve submitted a double batch of pix to [4:-)]TOM this week-the first batch are a selection of prototype pix that should tie into recent posts (sort of )......and the second batch is (or are..) layout pix-unedited deliberately to give " warts `an`all" honest portrayel of state of progress,all comment welcome,will post key to pix between now & then---slightly wild-eyed tonight,a lively evening "knockin em dead" in Tenby, a room full of sweet young things,all wearing less than I would have advised for a hot summers day by the pool plus a big group of rugby players who were obviously up for anything,plus the usual surf bums,drug casualties,aging hippies etc that make up our target demographic,all rising to the occaision and leaping up and down,singing along and generally providing a most gratifying response--I only hope tomorrow night`s show in Cardigan goes as well-sleep well gentlemen,moonlight mile for me........nick[C=:-)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening tom and the crew. Busy ,busy,busy day today. I tell you as soon as Thanksgiving approaches the credit cards come out at the storeThe xmasshopping feeding frenzy begins Tom & Ted contrary to your thought I did not miss the Thanksgiving hints. Just as a typical Canadian I didn't want you to go out on a limb for a speacial feast just for one loan Canuk, though Tom you are married to one , and Fergie popped in so bring it on [dinner] Ted a turkey stuffed with a maple basted ham wrapped in back bacon should suffice [swg] tom, Nick & Pete excellant stuff on the Brit rail scene , trains good I say [tup] troy Unfortunatly the email didn't make it through. Maybe try my direct email instead of the forums.IT should reach me without difficulty that way. I'll send you another with the address shortly. Tom another good FF choice. Soo line is an interesting road as Dave had mentioned shortage of funds allowed some niceold locos to soldier on to and through the 90's. You will remember two sunday's ago I posted that shot of a Soo GP9 still with a Highhood switchinf in downtown Chicago, i have a few other shots from that day as well. At the time there was 6 geeps working the various tracks that day. The GP9's and 7's really were/ are workhorses. when CP took them over alot of the geeps were remanufactured with low shorthoods and continue in yeoman service.don't think todays "technotoasters" will ever still be viable 50+ years on. Also I agree with you on the assertion that the grande railway hotels were designed for the gentry. Still makes for some good history, don't you think? So i guess that hotel accomadations for TO next may will mean that the Royal york is out then [?] [swg] Let me snag a round for everyone, hope to see everyone at the saurkraut eating contest tomorrow. I have brought in some authentic Kitchener waterloo home made stuff just for the occation, as well,several kegs of fine carlsburg brew [tup][:D] Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay as promised yesterday: classic juice # 3 The Montreal and Southern Counties RY.This was an interurban line ment to link the city of Montreal with the southern Counties on the shores of the St Lawrence River.



The MS&C was originally chartered federally inan act of parliament in 1897.To provide service from montreal to st lambert. A second act in 1898 allowed them to build into the counties of,Beauharnois , Chateaugay , Huntingdon , and Napierville .A third act in 1902 authorized tha MS&C to enter into agreements with other railways on the South shore of the St lawrence.and eastern township areas. An act passed in 1905 allowed them to buy out a local bus line the South shore auto car company. they were slow to build from their initial start up date of 1897,indeed until a great deal of money came from the Grand Trunk railway. Little was actually built until GT allowed the MS&C to use the Victoria Bridge to cross the river to the southern counties this happened in 1905.



In november 1909 passenger service comenced between Montreal and St lambert. They ran as an independant company until 1911 when ownership went to the GT proper.and continued that way as a CNR franchise till discontiuance in 1956.Adding on of lines was slow and cautious. They reached Longiel in 1910 ( this was a point just east of the preasant day Jacques Cartier bridge )Ranelagh in 1911, Greenfield park i& Mackayvile in 1913,Chambly,Richelieu,and Mariesville in 1914. The town of Laprairie recieved a franchise in 1914 but never got the line built. The extension made it as far as Abbotsford and Granby in late 1915. With the final expansion to mariesville and Ste Angele completed in 1926 20 + years to build 50 miles of railway!




All the cars and equipment were of Canadain manufacture with the Ottawa car company building the bulk. All werebuilt narrow to accomadate the dimensions of the Victorian designed Victoria bridge.Most of the cars were wood bodied with monitor or railway roofs. Some later steel cars including the same 600 series cars later used on the NS&T arrived in the 30's.the first cars were built by Ottawa in 1909 #1-8single end passenger cars. #9-10 built by the Grande Trunk were the same just double ended.built in 1911,Cars 11-15 built by Osgoode Bradley arrived in 1926 were also double ended. (all MS&C cars were mu-able as there were no turning loops )The 100 series cars 100-105( double end cars ) were built by Ottawa in 1911 then 106-107 were double end combines built by ottawa in 1912 ( 107 is at our museum today )in 1917 the 200 series trailers were built #200-209 built by Ottawa one follow up 220 was built by Ottawa in 1930 non powered trailors ( wood bodies) .



Wooden 300 series work cars are as follows first 300 rotary plow built by Ruggles in 1910 second 300snowplow/flanger built by the NS&T in 1925.301 rotary plow built in 1910 by ruggles,302 and 303 de/dt sweepers built by Ottawa in 1910 and 1912. finally se wedge plows 304&307 built by Russel between 1906-1917. 305 dtline car built by the NS&T in 1924 , 306 express motor built by NS&T in 1921 DE locomotive 325 built by NS&T in1925.The first metal passenger cars 320-324 were built by Brill in1917 similar to arch roofed saftey cars ( dt ) also first non monitor roofed cars built for the MS&C. Final batch of 500 series work cars. 500 se flat motor built by Grand Trunk in 1911,SE express motors 501,502 built by National Steel Car in 1913 , 504 rexpress motor built by Ottawa in 1923 express trailors 503 & 506 were built by Ottawa in 1916 ( these were used to haul milk and mail ) The final cars were bought second hand from the defunct Sandwich & Amerstburgh Railway in 1930. They were built in 1923 and were the last interurban cars built in canada #620-623 These cars went on to run on the NS&T when the MS&C went out of business in 1956. Wordy but there it is. Have a good evening Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and gents! I'll have ice tea and leftover pizza that's been sitting around since night.
Sorry about the incomplete post last night, but when the boss gets home, I must go go go! I went back to that post and added some info and links to it. I'm still trying to figure out who the Pawnee Railroad is, and how they tie into CIM history. There is/was a CIM railfan page, but it's no longer functioning.
Today is unfortunately NOT an IRM day for me. We have a kid here who is testing for a belt in TaeKwonDo, and the boss has determined that my carcass will be there. Oh well .... I'll just go tomorrow, and maybe get in some Doodlebug work as well as prepping our U30C for painting. Anyone want some genuine 1974 green paint chips?
By the way ... I see nothing wrong with the sweep of the