"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[Trainnut484]

Good afternoon Tom and the rest of us regulars. I'll just quietly slip this through the mail slot while taking a brief timeout from a busy report and test preparing weekend. Tom, nice pix of your KC trip [tup]. Good info on the UP passenger equipment too.

Dan, the WATCO crew gave me a flier for SKO's Pumkin run train. It's Saturday Oct 22nd and Sunday Oct 23rd, and the train will depart from the Corona, KS depot, which is 2 miles west of the intersection of KS Hwy 7 and K 102 in Scammon, KS on the old MoPac lline, towards Cherokee where it'll cross over onto the ex-Frisco line to the pumpkin patch. At the Corona depot they have on display four cabooses, a old switcher, two section gang motor car sheds, and some signals. The train rides are their last for 2005.

Ok now for Sunday Photo Fun [:D] I talked about the train back on Monday and can be found on page 119 here on the thread. I'll repeat a little of it here:

The SKO has three ex Boston & Maine Budd RDC cars that were restored by an individual and renamed them after his grandaughters; "Kaleigh Ann" (RDC 9210), "Afton Leigh" (RDC 9202), and "Fallyne Marie" (RDC 9203). The RDC cars are non-powered, but look in tip top shape inside and out.

SKO/Watco push-pull passenger train Chanute, KS as part of the town's arts festival.


Shot of one of the RDC cars.


Inside shot of one of the cars.


Description on history of the RDC cars.


Enjoy [tup][8D]

Russell

[siberianmo]

For the final time today - Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! Here’s the rest of these “selected shots” from my Amtrak Trip with Pete Album:


(13) Interior of Great Northern Observation #1292 at KCity’s Union Station (Pete)


(14) Interior of Great Northern Observation #1292 at KCity’s Union Station (Tom)



(15) Interior of Milwaukee Road Diner at KCity’s Union Station



(16) Galley in Milwaukee Road Diner at KCity’s Union Station



(17) Eastbound Amtrak train #306 at KCity’s Union Station



(18) Amfleet Café Car #48177 at KCity’s Union Station



(19) Ooooooops!



(20) Goodbye Tom! Pete at Jefferson City, MO


Didn’t get enough today [?] Go to this URL for the complete collection of the pix: http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/Amtrak%20trip%20with%20Pete/?start=0

That’s it!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Greetings 'Our Placers'
Well this is the new meetin' place huh? Well I see there is alot of good RXR history here, I would like to know more about the UP mainline thru the Columbia Gorge, if anybody knows. Oh yes Tom, I will take a Tall "Southern OJ" Mrs TrainsRMe will have a "B52" Thanks Tom. How many of the old Clubbers have been in so far? Well I got to get to bed, got an early day at work tommorrow, Nice place Tom we will be back on Wednesday!!!!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and the boys. Tom can I get you and the gang a round of everyones favourite poison. Kudos to the wonderfull pictures by Nick and russell and Tom good stuff [tup] Nick I'm assuming that your shots are your layout, very nice indeed my friend[tup] Doug I love seeing the before and after type shots. Your doodlebug seems well on it's way to rising again [tup] I suppose shop grease is shop grease however weather it's in a steam diesel or electric shop. Speaking of which when your diesel shop tires of you is your next stop the trolley barn [?][:D] We have a member at our museum oddly his name is Doug as well. sort of like you we know exactly what he's been working on be it painting scrapping or bondoing by the colour (s) he has turned himself. [swg] I'll leave everyone with one more shot. This one's from our museum. Light interurban car 416 in her semi rebuilt state. The new roofs on and the window door and electrical work continues. More info over on the museum thread.

[siberianmo]

Rob I wasn't going to ..... but I can't resist! We're CLOSED on SUNDAY's! [swg] The bar is C-L-O-S-E-D!!! Geesh, and you're a Charter Member at that .......... must be the lateness of the hour. [:D]

Thanx for participating in our Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning Guys! Another new week and 5 more days to excel for the boss! [yeah] [swg]

The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case is full – coffee is freshly brewed and our light breakfasts are ready to be served! [tup]

News of the Day:

(1) Saturday’s celebration of OKTOBERFEST was successful, but subdued in part perhaps due to the situation going on with the Forums. Our regulars let us down and it would appear that the future of this event for the remaining Saturdays will have to be determined. My thanx to those of you who took the time to try and make this work. [tup]

(2) Thanx to all who contributed to Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup] I hope that our regulars will take the time to acknowledge those who took the time to prepare the pix for our enjoyment. Also a suggestion: I request that Photo Postings be made during the times when they can be reasonably expected to have viewers.

(3) Today may bring resolution to the problems on the Forums, or perhaps even more “lock downs.” My thanx to those of you who maintained our “business as usual” stance by resisting the temptation to engage those who may have dropped in for unwelcome reasons. During this period of uncertainty, we will experience more visitors than ever and many will not return. Even the ones that I have welcomed, most probably will go elsewhere. Remember, the policy of ”Our” Place has been to let the Proprietor take care of the welcoming.

(4) Next Monday is Thanksgiving Day in Canada! We’ll come up with an appropriate menu item for our Canadian friends to enjoy. How about Back Bacon ‘n beer! [yeah] [swg]

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags , Heralds of the Fallen Flags and Passenger Train Nostalgia

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” in the 1800’s and early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 California Zephyr’s Budd Co. Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Canadian Pacific Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 00:32:10 (124) Pix

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 00:40:45 (124) [blue]Saturday’s News & Summary[/blue}

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 01:13:54 (124) Pix

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 07:25:53 (124)

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 07:52:03 (125) Pix

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 08:16:06 (125) Nick’s Pix

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 09:53:30 (125) Amtrak w/Pete Pix set #1

(8) rtraincollector William Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 10:49:51 (125) 2nd Post

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 11:18:00 (125) reply to rtraincollector

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 14:13:43 (125) Amtrak w/Pete Pix set #2

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 15:00:33 (125)

(12) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 15:04:37 (125) Pix

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 17:10:49 (125) Amtrak w/Pete Pix set #3

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 22:44:42 (125)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Oct 2005, 01:28:08 (125) reply to trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good! A fresh start after a lack luster weekend. Tom, yesterday's Photo Posting Day snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.[tup] I'll just "snatch" a left-over Bismark Roll and a "Valdez" w/Cremora and 2 lumps. Nice to see Pete "live" and having a good time. A prelude to Toronto?[:D] We should be hearing from *** soon with lots'a good stuff from his "Afrika Korps" adventure. Let's hope he didn't need to evacuate N. Africa in the manner of Erwin Rommell (circa 1941).[:O] Rob, can't get enough of #416. I searched the Museum but couldn't find more pix of her. BTW, I looked for the answer on the blue and white N.Y.C. express box car's trucks. The few pix I have seem to be of the Bettendorf type, 'course, that could have changed later too.

Nick, you have a fine layout with some neat out buildings that "make sense."[^] Ocassionally, I stumble into HO British locos and rolling stock, etc. hereabouts. As you know, Florida is a quiltwork of "displaced persons" from everywhere. We have more Canadians here (Oct.-April) than Natives.[tup] Some of them dabble in vintage British models so maybe I can find something of interest. Drop me an e-mail "wish list" if you like. LHS here sometimes take used model R.R. paraphernalia "on consignment" and you never know what might be on sale.

Russell, in Tom's pix #9 of Kcity, I see the Western Auto Hdqs. building is still there. I'm having trouble getting my bearings: is that the Main St. overpass near the outside dispaly? The N guage "mock up" of Union Station has inspired me to return to refurbishing my version of it. In the beginning, there was a grotesque sculpture blocking the center portico. For good or ill, I made all 3 porticos the same (space being the final judge). Originally, the Grand Concourse had 8 windows. It now has only 5. Many alterations have been made through the years. Best I can hope for is a "facsimile."

Finally, I hope problems elsewhere won't put the Kabash on the fun we have at "Our" Place..."apples and oranges!"[:D] Captain Tom has done a spledid job of "P.R." and, in my opinion, all things will come to right.[^] Sooo, Boris give us a crisp, clear peal on old # 99 please, so I can bid everyone adieu. COO COO! Gadfrey Daniel, put that Bavarian clock away until next Saturday, will ya? Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Ted!

Yes, a fresh start. Appreciate the kind words and enthusiasm. Regarding the pix that I posted, I hope you were able to call up the album at PhotoBucket, for there are many, many more - especially of the N-scale display. I didn't want to "hog" the show yesterday - one of the reasons I spaced the pix out amongst 3 submssions. The other reason was to keep the thread "up" on the page. Here's the URL: http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/Amtrak%20trip%20with%20Pete/

It's a treat to meet one of our regulars in person, and let's hope that those who have made the commitment for our First Annual "Our Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Toronto in May 2006 are still on board. My airline reservations will be solidified before year's end, the good Lord willling and the creek "don't" rise! [swg]

One concern, it appears that Chris has dropped off the Earth (again). Hasn't responded to Emails at work or home. So, I guess we'll just place him in the inactive group, aka: Legion of the Lost. [%-)][%-)]

Any thoughts on the continuation of Saturday OKTOBERFEST may probably be better handled by Email.

I expect to be "in/out" for this week. Therefore Cindy, who is on sabattical from the all female university up the road and 'round the bend, will - as they say - have the bar! [:-,] [}:)] I'll amass my responses as time permits ......

Catch y'all later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Santa Fe (AT&SF)

Headquarters: Chicago, Il

Mileage:

1950: 13,074 including subsidiaries
1995: (prior to merger with Burlington Northern): 9,126

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 1,855

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 84,439 Passenger cars: 1,235

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Los Angeles via Kansas City, MO. and La Junta, CO
Emporia, KS-Galveston, TX via Oklahoma City, OK & Ft. Worth & Houston, TX
Emporia, KS-Dalies, NM
Barstow-Richmond, CA
Temple-Farwell, TX
Denver-LaJunta, CO
Albuquerque, NM-El Paso, TX
Dallas-Presidio, TX
Kansas City-Tulsa

Passenger trains of note:

Super Chief I(Chicago-Los Angeles)
El Capitan (Chicago-Los Angeles)
The Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles
Grand Canyon (Chicago-Los Angeles
The Scout (Chicago-Los Angeles)
San Francisco Chief (Chicago-San Francisco, CA)
Texas Chief (Chicago-Houston)
San Diegan (Los Angeles-San Diego
Tulsan (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Chicagoan (Dallas-Kansas City-Chicago)
Golden Gate (Los Angeles-San Francisco)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Mornin` gents,-Monday again,another day another dollar(those union rates are a killer) [4:-)]TOM,pint of tea and a bacon buttie to go please,fine work all on photo-spreads-Tom,LOVED that "reflection" shot-think I`ve a couple of postcard views or B.C.Rail R.D.C`s in green livery ,plus a couple of C.P.R units in "hockey mask"-will find and forward ROB & TED-thanks for kind words re layout-very much a work in progress but the journey is as much fun as the destination !! PETE-Midland Rly did indeed have a number of Baldwin `moguls` -unpopular with crews and fairly short lived,if memory serves-will look further,intersesting trans-atlantic link to explore[^]--O.K--The pix,to set [4:-)]TOM`s mind at ease,mixed running of the type shown is exception rather than rule-hosting some of father-in-laws trains for the weekend so dug out some of my old Brits for a creak round the circuit. Captions are 1 2 & 3-F/i/L`s Austrian 4-6-0 with (mostly) appropriate local train (spot the Brit tank car) 4 some assd Brits-from left English Electric type 3 (class 37) with mixed freight,Bulleid light pacific with mixed pass cars &Ivatt 2mt 2-6-2 with mineral empties 5 & 6-a small(canadian)homage to CM3`s exquisite B+M piece from a few pages back 7 enlarged image of Bilston Ironworks Shay abstacted from the article I sent to PETE-worth a look for the costumes etc 8 O.N.R FP7-a#1509-one of the units I am modelling-will reply to other posts later today,have a good one guys,I`m out the door regards,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Nick and the Boyz!

It appears that the Forums are back "up" and apparently have been for a couple of hours. I've been away from the "box," but decided to check .... addictive, isn't it [?] [swg]

Well, that round of concern is over. Perhaps we'll get back to our normalcy 'round here too. While we weren't really inundated with visitors, there was a flurry. I expect we'll not see 'em again, even the one's who I welcomed. Just as well, for it didn't appear to me as if any of 'em were really interested in the way we do things at "Our" Place. Oh well ......

It would have been nice to have the support from our regulars during this troublesome period. At times it felt as if I was "alone" in the boat with all of the oars just sitting there. Again, oh well .......

Nick Those pix of your layout are extremely pleasing to the eye. You've done well, my friend. Yes, I know it's a work in progress, but that's all part 'n parcel of model railroading. I'd love to see an "overall" shot of your design, whaddyathink [?]

Glad you liked that "reflection" shot - thus far you're the only one to make comment. Sometimes I really wonder whether this stuff is worth the time and effort - then along comes some positive feedback, and all's well again. Crazy, eh [?]

Lookin' forward to more pix from you and those RDC's should be interesting for sure.

I'm outta here again .... Cindy still has the bar. Be nice, Boyz! [:-,][}:)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Well, it appears I have missed quite a few days worth of activity. Fine photographs and for what it is worth, thank you to all who took the time and made the effort to share them. That is what makes a site like this worth the while. I think Tom outdid himself with the spread on his train voyage with Pete. Wonderful choices and the ones on his photo album are equally entertaining.

Oh yes - hello barkeep - whoever you are - Cindy is it? Well, I will have a tall glass filled with Beefeaters, a twist of lime and perhaps just a splash of Grenadine. Thank you.

I must make this commentary regarding the numbers of people who did and did not visit this fine establishment during the lock down or whatever the term. First - I agree that none of them will come back, they were in a panic state for the most part and had no where else to go. Pity, almost as if they have no lives whatsoever. Second - Where were the oracles of the forums. You know, the guys who seem to have all of the stars and have the longevity to go with it? Did not notice a one of them coming here. That cannot be just coincidence, don't you know? I have always felt - way before I decided to "join" these forums with a "name" - that snobbery ruled. My suspicions are confirmed. I do not believe for one minute that the oracles want a site like this one to succeed, in spite of the foolishness they seem to perpetuate elsewhere. Jealousy, perhaps?

Taken in the entirety, Our Place has more to offer than any other site I have visited any where on the Internet. Those Fallen Flags are a stroke of sheer brilliance and keen insight concerning how to maintain and rekindle interest. The reports from several of your members are equally well thought out and compelling in nature. This is a credit to the idea of having a place to exchange railroad information all the while having a good time doing so.

This is a good place and there are some fine people who make it work. Do not be too harsh on your consituents, Tom. I appreciate your frustration of seemingly being the one who must somehow always be available. You made the choice when you started this and the fellows are depending on you and the comfort you provide us all with the way to keep it all together. Good job, old man, good job!

I think I'll have another one of those gins, please.

Until the next time, then .....

BK

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang....

Arrived in Vegas in the wee hrs. Saturday, cripes, barely checked when I was instructed to report for duty, can't a man take a siesta first? Spent Saturday and Sunday in the field, 111 degrees in the dust and dirt, in a foul mood I might add, and returned to civilization this morning. I feel lower then a heel for bing AWOL during Octoberfest... Ok were were all the other regulars?

Tom would it be possible to dedicate, say every other Wendsday during October for a mini-Octoberfest, I volunteer to assist Nick and you know the girls and Boris are game for a good time and maybe, just maybe some of the regulars will put in a appearance.

Tom, Nick , and all the gang.......Great job with Octoberfest, leftovers I presume? Cuppa Joe and what have we from the Mentor Bakery? Let's see, a little this, a little that, no midrats or fast food from the BX please.

TrolleyBoy, I have a extensive PE libary, Reissue, I have the orginal series published by Ira Sweet, must be over forty years ago these were issued.. I hope Morningstar releases the equiptment diagram guides, those would be on the "to buy" list. There were few interurbans that could compare with the PE for mileage and revenue, Sacramento Northern, South Shore, come immediately to mind, as you stated Canada had a few. There is a fantastic PE set available in VHS, I've got two sets just in case.
Tom.. Any luck with locating the video we discussed on Friday?

Tom.. I was waiting for those KC photos, the wait was worth it, fantastic. I had the oppertunity to transfer to KC several years ago, but the wife has this thing about Tornados, wild cows,person who place their appliances on the front porch and such nonsense, watcha going to do?

Well just got hunted down, catch you on the upside upon my return.

Dave [8D]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please and if any of the sausages are left from Saturday.[?].

A really excellent collection of photos yesterday[tup][tup].Thanks indeed ROB BARNDAD RUSSELL NICK AND TOM(I DO HOPE I HAVE NOT LEFT ANYONE OUT).

Thanks for the link to the Illinois Railway Museum I will have to get up there some time.

There was a trolley system that ran from GRIMSBY to IMMINGHAM on the East Coast Of England which was owned by British Railways. I think it closed down in the late 50s or early 60s.They used cars which looked American in design. I will try and find out if any were saved.

I think the Trolleys were an important part of the rail-road heritage and I really apprciate the hard work that goes into restoring them to their former glory [^][tup].

Nice layout NICK[tup]. I am looking forward to the info on the Midland Baldwins.

I'll have another Bathams to wash down the sausages and hope to call in soon. PETE.

[BudKarr]

Hello again - it seems that just Mr. West Coast S and I are available this afternoon.

In browsing the other forums, it definitely appears that things are back to where they were before the outburst on Friday.

Regarding where the regulars are for this bar, perhaps Tom knows as he seems to keep a pretty good handle on things like that. I recall reading about several members who for an assortment of reasons, were expecting to be either missing or have reduced availability for a bit. Probably 4 or 5 pages back.

Oh yes, hello barkeep - Miss Cindy, I'll have one of those extra cold bottles of Carnegie Porter from Sweden. It's a bit on the dark side, with a chocolate character, but a treat every once in a while.

I must take my leave shortly, time for me to do what I do. Next time I return, perhaps I will have another report for you on some railroading details. Thank you for the kind comments made on my posting for those European classics.

I must make note of my appreciation for the Santa Fe and Union Pacific Fallen Flags (passenger operations, of course). I never really was much of a fan of that UP yellow, but always liked the AT&SF livery. Enjoyed the SP colors too. A nice thing about being in Chicago was that you got to see many more roads than say in New York City. One had the best of it all there with the terminus for east and west in the Windy City. Perhaps one of you can expound on that point much better than I.

On a different subject, I noticed there is a guy on the forums (I presume it is a guy) who has so many stars after his name that one should be impressed. This person has only been signed on since February of 2005. Now, what do you suppose he does his time? Sad, indeed.

Finally, I mentioned earlier that Tom should go a bit easy on his constituents . That is a two way street, some consideration should be given in his direction for the effort he puts forth.

BK

[Anonymous]

I'm back...despite lurking 5 other forums and the MR Forums being back up, I believe I'll drop by once a day and at least check things out.

I have forgotten who posted it, but the photo of the N Scale model of Union Station...WOW is all I can say. I think it was Tom...

I have a quick question: What exactly would you consider "classic" trains?

Well that's all for now.

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Appears as if Cindy has everything going well. I expect that Leon the Night Man will be here around 5 PM (Central) to take over for the rest of the day. This will be the schedule for bartenders for the remainder of the week. I’ll open up – Cindy ‘til 5 PM, then Leon finishes up. Remember – Boris does NOT work behind the bar! Don’t even think of it …. [swg]

Some comments appear to be in order from the attendance today.

BK Pleased that you stopped by. Given that we really don’t know much about you, can’t comment in that direction. However, what you do have to say is appreciated. I’m not too sure that I require the “vote of confidence” you put into words, but it surely is appreciated nonetheless.

Dave Don’t be too hard on yourself regarding the weekend – we all have lives, commitments and other things to do. My chagrin is and has been over the apparent disinterest that sets in. It’s my problem and I’ll just have to deal with it.

I’d rather let the OKTOBERFEST simply wither away …… I remember one of my esteemed leaders telling me that when people say they haven’t got the time, it really means they don’t want to. This was more in relation to volunteering for things like leadership positions with Boy Scouts, youth baseball and the like. Always okay for others to do it, but heaven forbid one should call upon “moi’! Anyway, thanx for the offer – but let’s just let it go. The interest just isn’t there. Next time I’ll know better than to be so optimistic – perhaps just a one day thing, if at all.

BK You have some keen observations of the Forums and my guess is you spend a bit of time browsing, without signing in. I haven’t noticed your “cyber name” lately. Be that as it may, yes – there are plenty of “users” out there. People who don’t abide by any particular set of procedures, or care to. Call it lack of protocol, for lack of a better word. I get a bit tickled when these same people howl ‘n yell when their “free” services are denied them. Good grief!

By the by, I remember visiting Grand Central Terminal and Pennsylvania Station in NYC many times as a youngster in the 1940’s with my grandfather. One huge drawback was that one had to go down into the labyrinth to see the trains, whereas in cities like Chicago – as you pointed out – they could be viewed in much better conditions.

Dave I have conducted a few searches for the VHS tape, “Mt. Lowe, The Railway in the Clouds,” but haven’t found anything yet. I must admit that it hasn’t been all that has been on my mind though. [swg]

Pete Good to see you – by the by, your Email was received and responded to. Hey Mate – Cindy has had the bar all day. Better get that prescription checked! [swg] Glad you enjoyed the pix from our trip. Turned out pretty well, eh [?] It was a fun time and we need to think about doing it again some time. [tup]

uspscsx I’d like to reply a bit more personally, unfortunately your Profile doesn’t give very much info to help us with. Anyway, it isn’t what our definition of Classic Trains, it’s probably whatever Kalmbach considers appropriate moreso than me. Anyway, ‘round here, we talk about the trains that are of the Fallen Flags variety, along with some current ones that have “origins” back to the “golden era” of passenger railroading. Best I can offer is for you to research our pages – check out our SUMMARIES then you’ll see where we are coming from.

So, now that I’ve gone through that – scroll back to page 124, about mid-way down, and take a look at what this thread is all about. Admittedly, there's a lot there, but it will "tell you" pretty much all there is.

[#welcome] Aboard! The first drink is on the house. Whatiillyahave [?] [swg]

Catch y’all later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon, Pwolf, BudKarr, Guess, Tom has other affairs to attend to today, so we patrons need to keep it going. Monday's tend to be quiet around here on the usual. Round of JWB if you could Cindy. We have Cindy, where is Nick?

BuddKarr, UP had some interesting spins of the traditional harbor Mist and Armour yellow, once upon a time Leaf brown was the standard, prior to the Harbor Mist. Combinations of all three colors were not unusual, until the paint shop forces caught up.
Without dispute it it has remained one of the longest lived liveries.

The SF Warbonnet is tough to beat in terms of style and recgonization, thanks in large part to the Lionel F3 that perputated the image to the masses, the Daylight livery was more a symbol of the times, georgous in it's application and design, destined for a short life however.
The ACL, with it's bold use of purple as the main color and the SCL Citrus is a great example of two of my East coast passenger favorites.

Even my beloved PE had a unique Scarlet red hue applied to selected interurbans, parlor cars that displayed this shade of red also recieved pale grey roofs, dark red,white and orange pinstripes, lettering and were assigned to premier Commadore Service which ended in the 30's.

Today's topic

How did you get your spring water in the old days? We all are no doubt familar with the brand, Arrowhead Waters.. Yep, you guessed it, orginally a Pacific Electric enterprise.
As PE was extending it's hold on the Southern California transportation market, tourist and city dwellers were prime motivation for devloping resorts and spas in the mountains surrounding the LA basin.

To that end PE, in 1913 built a branch to access Arrowhead Springs, high above Pasadena, intending to develop it as The Arrowhead Resort to counter the world renowned Mt. Lowe. PE never completed the grading or surveys upon reaching the base of the canyon due to WWI, at the conclusion of the conflict and the impact of the automobile it was no longer ecnomically viable. PE was at a loss of what to do with the line, it generated some freight traffic, but was expensive to maintain, being subject to floods and fire every season .

PE entered into a agreement with Arrowhead Waters to complete enough trackage to access the springs. Arrowhead Water was intent on expansion to meet growing customer demand, but lack of adquate, reliable transportation facalities prevented growth. Except for the occasional special, the passenger days were done for the Arrowhead branch.

Arrowhead and PE entered into a mutual agreement to developed the springs to included facalities to transport bulk spring water in specially designed and built tank cars. PE assigned selected box motors at first and later steeple cabs to handle these heavy trains, as the box motors and steeple cabs wore out, leased Southern Pacific Baldwin S12s or the three PE owned GE 44 Ton switchers operating in mutliple did the honors. It was one of several PE freight operations that proved extremely profitable and one of the last PE domains in operation after takeover by the SP upon complete PE abondoment in 1960.

Dave[8D]

[West Coast S]

OPEN LETTER TO TOM

Tom our postings must have crossed, I posted and there you were!

I'd like to contribute my [2c] to the Octoberfest diaster, I agree, it can be dishearting when you devote a tremendous amount of time to overseeing this group and ensuring we remain true to our purpose, somethimes just keeping the discussions fresh can be daunting. It's tough keeping so many diverse personalities on a single focus

Perhaps, the events of last Friday will cause some of those displaced to seriously commit to coming aboard and participate with the group and contribute to our REASON FOR BEING: CLASSIC TRAINS .

Tom don't get discouraged, I suspect were suffering growing pains, seems like only a short time ago we were all strangers to each other, now 126 pages and growing. You have my 100% support and I personally appreciate and applaud your efforts.

Boris, Tom needs a hug and a stiff shot of some 150 proof to revive him . Bong, bong, clang..
Ok, time to pony up some funds to keep this joint in the black, here's my 20 for the jar.
Alright Cindy, Rounds for the house, set em up please.

Dave [:D]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

It appears that one Bk started something today with his commentary. I am much taken into a rather humble state by the commentary now from Dave. What is there to say, other than to accept your words and carry on. [tup]

Dave I found a web site for the Arrowhead Water (company info):

http://www.arrowheadwater.com/aboutus/company.asp

Not to upstate your Post, but to compliment it. While I was in SoCal for my brief 2-year stint, I do recall this brand. However, never did I know of the history nor of the connection with railroading. Nor did I ever envision that 17 years later, I'd be talking about it through my computer! Amazing. Thanx once again for an interesting Post.

Some points to ponder regarding our regulars. I recall that passengerfan Al told us he'd be largely unavailable for a couple of months due to tax school. coalminer3 CM3 told us he'd be away for a couple of weeks, but maybe would be able to connect now ' then. drwatkins *** is on his Global business jaunt, and when he does Post, it's rather one-way in dialogue. earlydiesels Dan has either been away for the weekends and/or not feelilng well. Gunns Kevin has dropped off in terms of Posts, except late at night and those are disrupted because he's balooning in New Mexico. CFournier Chris has simply stopped communicating. We have our regular regulars Theodorebear Ted - nickinwestwales Nick - trolleyboy Rob and West Coast S Dave. The remainder Post when they can, and all of them are appreciated - really are.

The chagrin comes only when there is anticipation of response and it doesn't happen. That's no fun and really is something that I need to work on - not any of you. The frustration mounts when I see the cyber names of those who said they'd be away, either here browsing or elsewhere, but no Posts here. What's that [?] [%-)][%-)] I used to call this "Phantom Browsing," but that's a misnomer, indeed.

Okay, Boyz, that's it for me for awhile. Leon the Night Man has been here since 5 PM and will continue on 'til closing.

Boris ring the bell twice - once for the round on Dave and one for a round on me! [tup][tup] No, no Boris I really don't want a huuuuuuuuuuuggggggggg! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Tom:

Ever since those blue pills, Boris has become quite fond of me. He will not be deprived of his hug.

I'm off to catch some shuteye and maybe hit some casinos tonight, the wallet willing!

Dave [8D]

[nickinwestwales]

Gentlemen all,thank you for rallying to the flag-DAVE & BK-whilst the human members of the cast of `Our Place`are quite capable of speaking for themselves,on behalf of Boris ( & clan ),Leon,Cindy & the girls,Clueless & Doyle,the track gang,the Mountain Dew fishing & social club,and the so far undiscovered sunday night "Kingston Town" domino game in the back room----Thank you for the glowing endorsement.[^]!!!!!--We will endeavour to live up to it...nick[C=:-)]

[Anonymous]

Hello Tom. I"ll take something strong to help break loose all this crud in my lungs and stop the dry coughs, please.
I have tried to get page 125 to come up but my pc refuses to do so--so I am missing all the pix. Don't know why.
Tom is correct in that I have been at the railroad and sick both. A new job was started on the 19th after a period of inactivity so my postings have not been as frequent as I'd like for them to be. I used to roam other sites but now believe Our Place is where I belong. My hope is that this bar n grill will get back to normal and dust will settle and the regulars will weave recollections and memories while we have a good time. I feel the regulars are a great group and Tom needs a round of applause for keeping this going. I will check in with everyone later and if we should be locked out, let's try to stay in touch.

[nickinwestwales]

O.K-back with another random thought-how about an occaisional midweek layout feature to complement photo sunday,[4:-)]Tom has set precedent with the Can-Am & `S` Capades tours-would be happy to set ball rolling..........thoughts anyone...?.............[C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

I`ve just found my list of notes to respond to,sorry guys-it`s just going to have to wait `til tommorrow,in serious need of beauty sleep..(just ask mother -in law)--6th night of playing music in 8 days-only another 4 out of the next 5 to go[tup]...progress reports may be erratic,take care,regards to all--nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen!

All of this outpouring of support has rekindled the spirit1 So, since Leon the Night Man is behind the bar, I'll just pull up a stool and have a double JD on the rocks and impart a few thoughts .... [tup]

This place is called "Our" Place for a reason - those of you who make it go are the "our" in the name. So it only stands to reason that your thoughts and recommendations should have some weight - and they do.

OKTOBERFEST has been established - it is "set up," and the staff has been outfitted accordingly. So, for the Saturdays of the month - let the celebration continue! Ooompah rules! [tup] [swg] [yeah] [wow] If we can muster up just a couple of Posts (total) during each of the "key" 6 hour time slots, we'll be okay: 6 AM to Noon - Noon to 6 PM and 6 PM to Midnight. That's all it really takes. [tup]

Mid-week layout feature is a fine thought and one that could easily catch on. Let's do it! You're up first, Nick - just pick the Wednesday convenient.

Did you know that the 12th of October is our 6 month anniversary of the inception of "Our" Place [?] No kidding - time has flown. We need to make that a special date. Let's have that mini OKTOBERFEST AND ANNIVERSARY PARTY on that date. Dave, you're the man! [tup]

Nick - Dave and Dan, your comments and suport are greatly valued. By the by - Dan, this "thing" that has you down needs some medical attention. Hope you are getting it. Also, regarding getting the picures up on your PC - that is an oddity. Have you tried the refresh button [?] Yes, of course you have. Also, ensure you are logged in as well. Sometimes photo's and graphics are problemsome when not logged in; don't know why.

Dave Put a fiver on #8 for me! [swg] And, thanx for the twenty! That should cover the costs of some shackles to keep Boris in restraint. Hugs, [yeah] right! Another brilliant idea! [swg] Good fortune at the Casino(s). [tup]

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon a captain morgan's please. BK Your commentary is of coarse well said. You are right sir Tom need smore hugs and such from the lot of us. We do tend to take our fearless leader for granted sometimes,late email responces etc etc. If it wasn't for Toms tireless work and dedication Our Place would have been about as healthy as a DOdo bird[xx(] So Tom consider yourself hugged no Boris noooo Tom I'm getting your next four rounds no questions asked. Ted Thanks for the picture thumbs up. I only have the one shot of 416 uploaded on my railimages,more will follow I'm going to get a few internal shots etc. It will just take some time. I want to chronicle the progress on the car so that people can get the feel for what we do. This mini project is more for my museum thread but I'll certainly share the highpoints here as well. The museum's website has just one picture of the car i beleave with the car in service ib North York. Picture appears on the tiltle page of the website. Pete Thanks for the trolley talk. I would love to know the dispostion of those cars in the UK. I'm wondering if they were spme of the double ended PCC type. I know that ACF and ST Louis car did import several sub types of PCC's to europe. Mostly the spain and the netherlands I thought though. West caost Thanks for the PE story. I never had researched the US interurbans much some really fine info there. I have worn out a coupke copies of the NS&T story video tapes myself so I can understand the want of having an extra. I'm not sure if you have looked but there was a local ( Toronto guy Ray Neilson) who has done alot of trolley & interurban and bus type videos and DVD's.His company was called GPS videos. Ray was a member of our museum, unfortunatly he passed away during the summer so the films at the moment are unavailable. I know that he had produced several US ones as well. If you have any of his stuff hold on to it. It's gold at the moment. nick Your idea of a mid week layout tour sounds an interesting bit I await your start. [:D] Well gentlemen I will see you all tomorrow. Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.

A pint of the usual please.

May I add my thanks for TOM's hard work so well put by the regulars.[yeah].

West Coasts Dave Thanks for the info on the liverys.The Santa Fe warbonnet must be a contender for the most well known diesel livery of all time.It was very well known in the U.K. with the Tri-ang models doing a popular HO scale version.
Is it true that the town of Santa Fe is on a branch line and I was wondering how the railroad got it's name [?].[%-)] Hope to call in soon PETE.

[siberianmo]

A late night (early AM) response - Rob Four rounds [?] Four! Now that's "springing" for the drinks if I ever heard of the term! [swg] Okay, Boris Let 'er rip! [:O]

Pete Email received and I'll respond in the AM. I'm gong to defer to the Santa Fe "Aficionados" for the answer to your questions ...... [tup]. Glad you liked the Fallen Flag.

Appreciate the 'endorsement' form both of you ...... not at all necessary. What is needed is to stick it out as a group when things get stressed 'round here. I believe the situation with the weekend was more of a case of limited availability on the part of our crew than anything else - really do. We had our "nucleus," albeit not quite as active as we'd like, but those things happen.

Gotta get the SUMMARY out .... it's got lots of "stuff" to read. Speaking of reading, I just re-read the Posts from today (which is really yesterday ....) and man oh man there's lots in 'em. BK and Dave really put their thoughts into words. Some powerful stuff indeed. Page 126 is one to read again.

See ya! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day Gang! “Chewsday,” as some pronounce it! Check out The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case and our light breakfasts! Of course, the coffee’s hot ‘n fresh! [tup] By the way, for those old enough to remember Broderick Crawford, remember his TV show “Highway Patrol,” and his use of “10/4” [?] Well, today is “10/4 day!” [swg]

Info for the Day:

(1) For the observant – yes, I’ve changed the title of this segment from “News” to “Info.” Seems more appropriate.

(2) Did you know that DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME began on Sunday for those living “down under” in Australia – Tasmania and New Zealand [?]

(3) My 2005 railroad calendar for the month of October has a great photo of Union Pacific’s 4-6-6-4 Challenger #3985 at Sherman Hill, WY in Oct 1988 for a “photo run.” Beautifully restored machine for sure! [tup]

(4) repeat]Next Monday is Thanksgiving Day in Canada! We’ll come up with an appropriate menu item for our Canadian friends to enjoy. How about Back Bacon ‘n beer! [yeah] [swg]

(5) Wednesday, Oct 12th is the 6th month Anniversary of the creation of ”Our” Place. Plan to celebrate with us. [tup][tup][tup]

(6) Finally, our Saturday OKTOBERFEST celebrations will continue!

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags , Heralds of the Fallen Flags and Passenger Train Nostalgia

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” in the 1800’s and early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 California Zephyr’s Budd Co. Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Canadian Pacific Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)
125 – AT&SF

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 01:31:44 (125) Monday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 07:06:57 (125)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 07:41:29 (125) reply to Theodorebear

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 08:15:01 (125) Fallen Flag – AT&SF

(5) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 08:31:22 (125)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 10:59:50 (125) reply to nickinwestwales

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 12:09:48 (126)

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 12:35:40 (126)

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 15:38:26 (126)

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 15:41:45 (126)

(11) uspscsx [?] Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 16:08:03 (126)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 16:40:16 (126) reply to BudKarr – West Coast S – pwolfe – uspscsx

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 16:50:01 (126)

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 17:49:32 (126) Open letter to Tom

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 19:08:49 (126) reply to West Coast S, etc.

(16) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 19:36:46 (126)

(17) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 19:44:38 (126)

(18) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 19:48:34 (126)

(19( nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 20:02:40 (126)

(20) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 20:14:53 (126)

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 21:23:54 (126) reply to West Coast S – nickinwestwales – earlydiesels, ec.

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 23:09:42 (126)

(23) pwolfe Pete Posted: 03 Oct 2005, 23:57:20 (126)

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 00:41:21 (126) reply to trolleyboy & pwolfe, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!