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trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:05 PM

Okay a final [teal] ENCORE ! for today this one a classic steam /teal] Enjoy it again. Hopefully we will see a bunch of you in tomorrow with pictures a plenty ! [swg]

Rob

CLASSIC STEAM # 22 THE OTTAWA ARNPRIOR AND PARRY SOUND RY

The Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway was the shortest grain route to the Atlantic at the time it was completed. It's line took it through the wilds of Central Ontario, with trains arriving and departing every twenty minutes. it was also the longest railway ever built and operated by one man in the history of Canadian railway building. The line that John R Booth built.

Despit humble beginings on a Waterloo Quebec farm,John R Booth was destined to become one of the richest men in Canada. Shortly after establishing a saw mill of his own in Hull Quebec,the new commer to the lumber business stunned the Ottawa Lumber Barons by contesting and bidding on the prized contract to build the new Dominions parliament buildings, and winning ! He simply underbid his established rivals and got the job done using unemployed longshoremen from Montreal to build the house's of parliament. The first of his uncanny business doings.

With the money in his pocket from this coup, and the realization that at the time the only way to ship lumber to the vast markets of the US and Europe Booth purchased two floundering railways in 1872 that allowed him to cross the St lawrence river and enter the markets VIA the Vermont Central Railway. In 1879 his Canada Atlantic railway was born, a line that extended from Ottawa to the Atlantic.

His next step was to expand his timber holdings. The rich limits in Algonquin Park came up for auction in 1879-80 so Booth sent his cousin to investigate them. He was amazed to learn of the vastness ( thousands of Hectares of land-all still today a provincial park ). He again outmanovered his rivals, by purcahsing the rights for the unheard of for the time sum of $40,000.Five yeasr later he would be offered a million for the rights ( which he refused ).

His eyes turned to Georgian Bay.As a rail route to that body of water would provide acess to these new tiomber stands, and would also enable him to capture some or all of the burgeoning prarie grain traffic from the CPR and GT. He first purchased the rights to the charter for the Parry Sound Colinization Railroad- this was an effort by Parry Sounders to link their town with the Northern and Pacific Western Railway ( later purcahsed by the CnoR )at Burk's falls. So he began building westward from Ottawa to meet this newly aquired line. The route took him north-westward into the mountains of Renfrew County ( CDN Shield ) and along the coarse of the Madawaska River through Algonquin Park ( The line runs roughly parallel to the HWY 60 Corridor throuhg the Park ) then over the divide and into the struggling settlements in the Parry Sound District.

The biggest problem occured for him in Parry Sound itself. The charter he bought stipulated that Parry Sound be the port terminus of the line,however the local landowners knowing this tried to hold out for gigantic land prices. Booth simply refused to pay and found an Island six miles north that had a better harbour so he built the line there and established the Town of Depot Harbour, now Ontario's largest ghost town. For several decades depot Harbour rivalled Ports like Collingwood and Midland, Booth gained a huge share of the grain ru***raffic as well.

The Ottawa fires that destroyed the orginal Parliament buildings and much of downtown and Booths biggest mill devestated his companies. he did rebuild but new CPR lines to Collingwood and GTR lines through Midland and Owen Sound sucked away his piece of the grain business. Eventually laws were passed banning all but managed logging in Algonquin Park as well. Timbeer is still cut there but it's completly manged. there are even several thousand acres of old first growth forest in the Park that are not logged as they are protected.

Grand trunk Purchased the raillines from booth in the late teens, CNR continued to use the line through Algonquin Park till the late 50's when it was finally abandoned and turned over to Parks. MNR ( ministery of natural resources ) pulled up all the trackage and removed the stations,policy in Algonquin Park is to keep things natural, the only buildings are along the HWY 60 corridor campgrouns which straddle both side of HWY 60 for 80km's.The MNR maintains the roadbed of the line thrugh the Park as a hikeing and winter snowmobile trail so many of the plate girder bridges are still in place, just lacking their trackage.

There is a great book on Booth and his empire available primarily from the gift shop of te logging museum in Algonquin Park. It's aworthwhile read.

Two shots of one of the OAPS RR's bridge over the Madawaska river in Madawa On. This is just outside the west eneterance to Algonquin park.

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:52 PM

Glad you liked it Tom. It's a little railway that I always found interesting. Care for an extra large banana split [?][swg] BTW your pictures you put up on the other thread would make for some good looking stuff for tomorrow. I don't mind talking to myselfy next week ( it's normal ask my staff at the store ) LOL [tup][:D][wow]

Mike neat urls, I'll give them a closer look later on. That really was an awfull accident,good that Conrail/CSX and Amtrak managed to learn from it.

Rob

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:20 PM

Evenin' Gents!

Leon I'll take a Keiths and give the guys whatever they please! Boris Ring it! [tup]

Good to see ya, Count - wondered if you'd make it in. Just think - last week we were finishing up with the "Awards Ceremony" for Heather - dinner 'n our special dessert! [swg] Time flies, eh [?]

You know something I don't about who will be around next week [?] My guess it will be YOU - YOU 'n YOU! Enjoy . . . [swg]

Mike When NY had three teams, there was always a game in town and it was absolutely crazy when the Dodgers played the Giants. But the interleague stuff was restricted to the monopoly the Yankees had with the Dodgers - year after year after year - or so it seemed in those days.

Not sure I'll have much for Sunday Photo Posting Day! - really need others to step up - but I can always do "ENCOREs" - that's an alternative . . . .

Mike Quiet bars are called "Cocktail Lounges" or "Closed!" <grin>

Rob If I failed to mention it - THANX for stopping by "my other Thread" - which of course is now down to ME - ME 'n ME! [swg]

Oh by the by - I really enjoyed reading that ENCORE Classic - The Great Gorge Route is a classic by any standard! [tup] [tup]

Leon one more, then I'm gone (in more than one way! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:13 PM

Hello Time for another update[^]

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 7

CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250
#24 Cataract Lines Pt 1 pg#294*new
#25 Cataract Lines Pt 2 pg#294*new
#26 Great Gorge Route pg#295 *new
#27 WP Electric Lines pg#314*new

CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250
#16 Southern RY Steam Program pg# 276
#17 The Stratford & Huron RY pg# 279
#18 The Toronto Grey & Bruce RY pg# 281
#19 The Booze Line pg#289 *new
#20 The BBG RY pg#290*new
#21 Huntsville and Lake of Bays RY pg#295*new
#22 Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound RY pg#309*new
#23 The AER pg#310 *new
#24 The Central Ontario RY pg#326 *new

CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251
#5 CN Super Continental Ad pg# 270
#6 CNR / GTR 1941 System Ad pg# 270
#7 CNR Spans the world Ad pg#311*new

CLASSIC DIESEL BARN

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254
#2 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 1pg # 254
#3 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 2pg # 256
#4 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 3pg # 259
#5 Northern Pacific in 1960 pg # 260
#6 BC Rail Tumbler Division pg # 262
#7 BC Rail Locomotive Roster c1993 pg # 262
#8 The CF7 Story pg # 263
#9 Seaboard Railroad Freight Ops pg # 268
#10 HBRY Port of Churchill pg# 278
#11 D&RGW Locomotive Roster pg# 282
#12 ICG GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#13 C&NW GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#14 Precision National ( locomotive rebuildres PT 1 ) pg# 284
#15 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 2 pg#284*new
#16 Locomotive rebuilders Pt 3 pg#286 *new
#17 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 4 pg#288 *new
#18 Locomotive Conversions Pt 1 pg#311*new
#19 Locomotive Conversions Pt 2 pg#313*new
#20 CB&Q E5's pg#321*new
#21 Alco RS2 rebuilds pg#323*new
#22 The Zephers builders history pg#326*new
#23 Locomotive Conversions Pt 3 "robots" pg#331 *new
#24 D&H Passenger service pg#332*new

wanswheel

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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:05 PM

Hi again Tom, another round for the nearly empty house. Actually I kind of like it quiet.

Interleague baseball in New York is still as intense as ever for the fans.

Dave, re: your next birthday, happy that, and the crash of '87

The 2 Amtrak locomotives 900 & 903
http://www.hebners.net/Amtrak/amtAEM7_900_909/amt900b.jpg

http://www.hebners.net/Amtrak/amtAEM7_900_909/amt903.jpg

Overhead view of the crash site at Chase, MD, Jan. 4, 1987
http://www.orgsites.com/md/middleborough/amtrackoverhead.jpg

Middleborough Volunteer Fire Departmnent
http://www.orgsites.com/md/middleborough/Jan87Amtrak2.jpg

http://www.orgsites.com/md/middleborough/Jan87Amtrak.jpg

http://www.orgsites.com/md/middleborough/Jan87Amtrak3.jpg

Seems to have been about 18 miles from downtown Baltimore
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/md/md0600/md0603/photos/086297pr.jpg

Not far south of the Gunpowder River Bridge
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/md/md0600/md0603/photos/086307pr.jpg

Cheers, and hair of the dog on the White Pass & Yukon RR
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/38/10/38-0984a.gif

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:50 PM

Good evening gents a Classic Juice encore for this Encore Saturday

This originally showed up on page # 295. Enjoy again.

Rob

Okay a quick new piece before I'm gone until this evening.

CLASSIC JUICE # 26 THE GREAT GORGE ROUTE

Niagara Falls Parks & River Railway

As with many municipalities in Canada and the United States Niagara Falls On & Ny owe theirherritage to railways, few will actually admit this or celebrate it now however.An irony for sure is that one of Canda'a shortest lived Railways has had the most written about ( books , videos ) and thanks to the Niagara Parksn Commission plaques for every scenic bit of it's line.This line is of coarse the Niagara falls great Gorge Route.

Like most things about Niagara Falls, there is an American and a Canadian side of it.The Great Gorge Route was no different in this.The Candain side was built first,incorporated in 1891 by E.B. Oesler of Toronto and R.B. Angus( CPR Angus Shops Fame ) of Montreal. Operations started up in 1893 and it was electrified right from the get go ( no supprise there given the location ). Within the first twp yeras it had carried half a million passengers in a single car ! Ferries from Buffalo landed at the Slater dock just south of Chippewa Ontario,from there the trolley cars met the passengers and bounced along the brink of the gorge to Queenston, where a spur carried them into town or up the escarpment to the Brock Monument and the Battle of Queenston Heights National Park.At queenston passengers could board a steamer for a trip out the Niagara River and on into Toronto.This route gave the passengers an amazing view of the Horseshoe falls, te American Falls and the Rapids.

The Americans didn't want to be left out of this tourism tour da force so in 1899 they built a mirror line on the American side of the Gorge,running from Lewiston NY to Niagara Falls Ny.Around the same time the Queenston-Lewiston Brige waas being completed and quickly both side completed the belt line accross the bridge linking the two Gorge routes.

In 1915, the worst accident ona Candain radial line ocured at Queenston.As a badley overcrowded car of Sunday Picnickers,began down the steeply inclined line from Brocks monument Park, the motorman tried to sand the rails infront of the car to help with the braking.To his shock and horror someone had forgotten to fill the cars sander. With no traction the car went out of control and jumped the tracks into the Niagara River, Fifteen passengers were killed about 100 injured ( car was built for 80 passengers ),luckily the companies steamer Chippawa was at the dock and it moved out into the river ti recue the drenched passengers, otherwise many more may have been killed.

Once the auto age hit, it devistated the Gorge route business ( Niagara Parkway was built above the ROW ). Between 1928-1932 the ridership plunged and the 1932 season was the Canadian sides last.The US side ran until 1935 when a massive landslide occurred and took out 200 feet of track and overhead.The repair cost out weighed the possible returns of pasengers so this line too was shut down. Thus ended the era of being able to ride along the Niagara Gorge and enjoy the view from open air streetcars.

Rob

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:43 PM

Good evening[bb] Tom, since you are dispencing the Keith's I'll have a tankard or two sir[tup]. I've noticed that tuesday's theme will be an encore theme , likely a good thing we seem to have shared quite a bit of good B&O info the last few times it's surfaced so should be a good choice for the week. Nice to see that dave's picke d a day and time for his bash, I think we'll have the place patched up by the 27th [swg]

Ted I'm glad to hear that at least your trip on the airlink was satisfactory.I'm no lover of airlines and flights so i can only imagine what you went through[tdn][:O]Heather said that you should have had her along she could have translated for Mr MacDuff [swg]
Oh one extra word of caution ( after the fact I know ) That wasn't mutton [:O][xx(] in the stew, mind you eating that dish came with a free high colonic [:O]

Dave Nice to see you back in this week, good info on those restoration projects. I never did ask are those cars destined for a static or running museum [?] Oh and I don't do crowds, only small venues like this for my comedy act [swg]

Doug [/b] You will be missed during the time that you are offline, not to worry we will make do without you. I'll miss the jokes however [;)] Nice to read the pickle wreck pieces over again. I have to say that I like the sign on the pickle factory. Amazing it stayed hung concidering.

Rob

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:53 PM

[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(2nd rev. May 20th):

March 5th (Nick – 46)
March 13th (Doug – 50)
March 31st (Lars – 66)
April 18th (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47) NEXT UP: Noon to 4 PM (Pacific time) on May 27th
June 3rd (John) – 47) “Bash” - ONLY upon receipt of a preferred date & time
August 11th (Pete – 55)
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
September 11th – Per – 61 Legion of the Lost
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:46 PM

G'day!

Keeping with the ENCORE! Saturday idea - here's something I posted way back on page 260 . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo Posted: 01 Mar 2006, 00:34:09

. . . . We changed our rail plans for May/June. Yup - scrapped the Amwreck ooooops Amtrak trip in favor of something else. We are booked for an Alaskan adventure instead. Finally found an itinerary we could live with - fly to Anchorage - stay a couple of days - train (dome seating) to Denali stay for a day - and then up to Fairbanks - stay a couple of days - return to Anchorage by rail (dome seating) - fly home.

REALLY looking forward this this. Great way to celebrate our 15th Anniversary .... will be something to return to the 49th State for me ... left there in 1960 after an 18 month tour of duty over on Kodiak Island aboard a ship. REALLY want to "do" this trip![tup][tup][tup]
Amtrak will "happen" another day . . .

Good seeing Mike - Doug 'n Dave back at the bar! [tup] [tup] Rounds appreciated, as always.

Sorry, guys - but don't know how to break the "news" - but original "stuff" is surely a waste these days - especially on Saturdays. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it - but we simply haven't got the customer-base these days (daze). That's why we've gone to the ENCORE! format for Saturdays. REPEAT = ENCORE = DO OVER = ONE MORE TIME, etc. Get the idea [?] [swg]

Now, having said all of that - the accounting of the Amtrak-Conrail collision is sobering . . . appreciate it, Dave. Your Email response to my response has been received! [swg]

Mike Alaska was "home" for awhile back in 1959-60. Saw a great deal of the territory/state, but mainly from the vantage point of being aboard ship. Did manage to take a trip here 'n there while on leave. Made it up to Fairbanks by train (the U.S. Army ran it if my memory is correct and it was hardly the tourist "thing" of today). Flew over to Anchorage with a guy I befriended in Kodiak. He was teaching me to fly and it was quite the adventure to say the least. That was a long time ago . . . . Been to Nome, the Aleutians, all the "name" ports to and including Juneau and Ketchikan . . . . sailed the inland passage down to Seattle and back . . . pretty much saw more than a young man could possibly hope for.

Doug Hope you're going to be back online for May 27th . . . Dave has requested his "Bash" for Noon to 4 PM (Pacific time) - 2 to 6 PM (Central). I'm doubtful for that day . . . Pete, BK, Lars, CM3 won't be here . . . . Just a "heads up!"

Mike Some extremely interesting URLs . . . appreciate your efforts, once again! [tup]

Figured the Mets would give the Yanks a hard time . . . but then again, I'm not really following their division. This interleague play, in my not-so-humble-opinion has run its course. Now it seems to be "old hat" and not at all the novelty when first brought into the maintstream. I don't care for the alteration it has made to the schedules in either league. Losing those games to some of the more traditional rivalries has taken something away from the game. Oh well, the Commissioner didn't ask me! [swg]

Dave Just checked my Email again - only received one response from you - for a total of 3 Emails today. By the by - the best steaks and BBQ are in Kansas City, MO! Perhaps you can get some TDY out thataway! [swg]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

West Coast S

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:18 PM

Tom, going to be sparse around these parts you say? As good a time as any to start posting my Sacramento Northern triology, Part one consumes seven, 8/12 X 11, front and back pages of handwritten notes researched by youre's truly, just begging to be posted at the right momment. Should provide good conversation for at least a week. Part two is in the note taking process as we speak. Oh, the things we all shall discover!!!

Howdy Mike, how goes the day? Never been to the great white north, more the sunshine/palm tree kinda of guy without the wacky, unemployed steroid altered surfer look , ok, the WP&Y is on my to do list at some point in my life.

Barndad, A most severe example of how to render pickles into relish!! Bring on the dogs and hold the mustard!!

A brief for those so inclined regarding Chase.

Amtraks most memorable accident occured at Chase Md. in 1987. The National Limited, running at over one hundered and fifteen miles an hour was struck by three Conrail GE units, running light that had overshot a fouling point and derailed into the onrushing express. The impact exploded the three AME7, with fatalities among the crew, two were hurled several hundred feet beyond the roadbed while the third was ignited by spilled diesel fuel, courtesy of the ruptured fuel tanks on the Conrail units. The fist seven cars came to rest atop the remains of the power, to be consumed be fire, it took investigators several days to determine that three AME7's were involved, as one AME7 remained unaccounted for until salvage commenced, so complete was the destruction.

Post investigation found the Amtrak engineer was exceeding the posted speed with several Amfleet coaches that were restricted to just under one hundred miles per hour, these coaches were near the head end and accounted for most of the twenty three passenger fatalities.

Conrail bore the brunt of the fault, the engineer,brakeman failed a substance test, the conductor was asleep at the time, a federal violation as well with the power under way, in addition, specific safety equiptment that would have alerted the crew and applied the brakes well before the foul point had been disabled or bypassed by the crew and who's tampering was condoned by operating officals as a cost saving measure in violation of Federal operating and safety rules.

The dispatching center was faulted for not deverting the light movement to a unoccupied siding, they reacted too late and threw the points under the lead unit, derailing it in the path of the National. The dispatching center should have issued a restricted speed order when it was evident the Conrail movement would not clear the interlocking in a reasonable amount of time. Dispatching displayed confusion and contradictory instructions regarding what siding and the specific location the light engine movement occupied, they were assuming with dangerous results.

From tragedy, Amtrak and Conrail revamped it's policies regarding high speed passenger operations and freight operations on shared lines, whole chapters were devoted to the Chase wreck as an example of how not to operate and pounded into all railroad employees, through such efforts and Federal scrunity, there has never been a second Chase...

Tom, you have two responses awaiting you

Dave

SP the way it was in S scale

wanswheel

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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:31 PM

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Okay that is an elk. Also wrong about New York Central at Troy, they turn left at Albany. Troy on the map is north of Albany, so that has be a D&H train.

Didn't know you were going back to Alaska, Tom. I was there only once, for about an hour at Anchorage airport, saw the mountains and a big stuffed polar bear, June 18, 1967.

Here's a few non-encore (sorry) links for a crummy Saturday afternoon, Mets lose to the Yanks in extra innings at Shea on national TV. Last night's game was great though.

June 1915, Anchorage is created as a railroad construction town along Ship Creek where the railroad moves its headquarters from Seward.

July 15, 1923, President Warren G. Harding travels to Alaska to mark the completion of the Alaska Railroad by driving the golden spike in ceremonies at Nenana.

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/2931.jpg Dock at Metlakatla

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/2934.jpg Salmon

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/30.jpg Train

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/40.jpg Harding's train on bridge over Tenana River

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/2948.jpg Hotel

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/2943.jpg at Snow River, Kenai Penuinsula

http://www.alaskarails.org/golden-spike/harding-spike-2.jpg Spike

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/36.jpg Spike

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/3996.jpg Sign

Of course Harding wasn't the only President to visit Alaska.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3a20000/3a26000/3a26500/3a26521r.jpg

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg11/image/947.jpg Fairbanks

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/233.jpg Headlines

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdmg2/image/3765.jpg Motorcade

http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/VIA64292.JPG Via home hardware (for Rob)

And these are freight train pics
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/WPFR.JPG feather bridge

http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/WP3548.JPG feather tunnel

http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/WP3548_2.JPG feather river
Mike

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:10 PM

Afternoon Tom and gang. Just popped by between jobs to see who visited, and saw Dave. I'll have a bottomless draught, and get Dave whatever he wants please. Not sure how much more work will get done today at the new place, but here's the last part of my ENCORE before I figure out how much more I want to do.

The Great Pickleworks Wreck by Ron Ziel – Rail Classics May 1979

It took the railroad over five days to clear away the debris and to haul the once-proud speed queens – engines 2 and 214 – to the scrap heap. During the weekend, sightseers had to park as far as a mile and a half away to reach the wreck. Train wrecks had always been an occasion of great social gatherings in Suffolk County, with spectators bringing box lunches and picnicking while they watched the clearing process. Nothing, however, matched the Calverton pile-up.

After the dust had settled and the wreckage was cleared, the interest in the pickle works pile-up moved from the Calverton pine barrens to the newspaper editorial pages and the courts. It had taken nearly five hours to get the wrecking train to Calverton, a seemingly long time to travel the 60 miles from Jamaica during an extreme emergency, prompting an official condemnation of the LIRR by the court of inquiry.

Despite testimony that revealed that the wreck had been caused by the lead engine splitting the pickle-house switch which was the result of a bolt having worked loose on one of the points, the coroner’s inquest exonerated the railroad from blame. Shortly thereafter, it was revealed that Dr. Clarence Miles, the coroner, was an employee of the LIRR and carried a pass. Several other county coroners also had passes and one resigned in the ensuing scandal.

A grand jury was convened and the Interstate Commerce Commission Investigation found the railroad at fault. In October, the grand jury roundly condemned the LIRR for laxness, apathy and failure to properly maintain and inspect the switch, but no indictments were handed down.

Almost up until World War II, there was a grisly reminder – sort of a monument – of the Great Pickle Works Wreck. The foundation of the Golden building became weed-grown, but arching up out of the middle of it was a long, bent rail from the siding, which Engine No. 2 tore up as she ravaged the right of way. This most famous and celebrated of Long Island Railroad wrecks is still a topic of conversation among old-timers, like the 1938 hurricane.

The railroad went on to perform with an incredibly good safety record of 24 years without a single passenger fatality due to negligence, until the Rockville Center disaster in February, 1950. To those who lived on eastern Long Island in the 1920’s, however, the Great Pickle Works Wreck will always be remembered as a classic, with all of the melodrama, excitement, and morbid romance associated with the terrible wrecks of the 19th Century. It happened over a half century ago – to the old-timers it was yesterday.

[:I] Four college alumni were climbing a mountain one day. Each was from a different Big Ten school and each proclaimed to be the most loyal of all fans at their alma mater.
As they climbed higher, they argued as to which one of them was the most loyal of all. They continued to argue all the way up the mountain, and finally as they reached the top, the Boilermaker hurled himself off the mountain, shouting, "This is for Purdue!" as he fell to his doom.
Not wanting to be out done, the Wildcat threw himself off the mountain proclaiming, "This is for Northwestern!"
Seeing this, the Buckeye walked over and shouted, "This is for everyone!!!" and pushed the Wolverine off the side of the mountain. [:I]

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:43 PM

G'day Dave

Recommended brew of the day is Alexander Keiths Pale Ale from Halifax, Nova Scotia - finest brew on the Continent, in my not-so-humble opinion! <grin>

Your Emails have been responded to - thanx!

Since there is quite a bit for you to catch up on, I'll hold off on any salient comments until you're ready!

You should be aware that we are down to a precious few 'round these parts - mainly due to planned absences with more to follow. This time next week, we'll have perhaps only 2 or 3 guys particpating on a regular basis and it will remain that way into mid-June. So, we can use all the help the guys are willing to give . . . .

Later! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

West Coast S

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From: Los Angeles
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:36 PM

Afternoon Tom and all present, Tom, I've sent two messages for your consideration, good to see you back.

I got a lot to catch up on, don't I?? Can't begin without a cool libation, bar keeps recommendation will do..

Rob: Jumping back to my last post re: the PE restoration color used by the Orange Empire Group. I fell it is proper as during restoration later modifications were removed to reveal the true beauty of the ctaftsmanship of Laconia, I was shocked to discover that the leaded, stained glass transon windows were orginal, seems when PE blanked them out they sold the glass to whoever wanted some, amazing any survived at all. The LA city car wore the first yellow/creme/green scheme that replaced the Wine Red for visibility reasons on crowded streets, these were of three foot guage. I'm hoping that the
Birney currently under restoration,recieves the Wine Red as it is an orginal San Bernadino local lines car, PE bright red would be would be wrong as most were retired at the time of paint transition.

Barndad: Wow, that posting and photos makes the hair on the back of one's neck stand up. What a job that recovery crew had. I guess in these times of GPS and computerized dispatching we tend to loose sight of the fact that once upon a time railroading was a dangerous occupation, true railroading will never be one hundred percent safe, but modern technology has made vast strides compared to just a decade ago, anyone remember Chase MD??.

BK: Congrats on you Honeymoon and induction to the ranks of the living dead (just being fresh!!), I too just returned from the islands, but my trip was not for pleasure, a bit of nasty business to deal with.

AL, good job with the passenger coverage, how's the search for publisher going??

Lars, Rob & CM3, I see you guys have not lost your sense of humor, you insightfull additions are always appreciated, I'm ready to be your booking agent here in LA for the Comedy Club, I work cheap too, only a 15% agent fee.

Keep it real until later

Dave

SP the way it was in S scale

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:18 PM

[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(rev. May 20th):

March 5th (Nick – 46)
March 13th (Doug – 50)
March 31st (Lars – 66)
April 18th (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47) “Bash” - ONLY upon receipt of a preferred date & time
June 3rd (John) – 47) “Bash" - ONLY upon receipt of a preferred date & time
August 11th (Pete – 55
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
September 11th – Per – 61 Legion of the Lost
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:06 PM

G'day Gents!

A beautiful Saturday morning here in mid-Continent USA with an unexpected surprise – temps are to get no higher than the mid-70s! [yeah] Clear skies and just a good day to be outside! [tup]

A special THANX to Wolfman Pete for keeping the bar “open” yesterday! Those Posts were timely, interesting and appreciated! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Been working on a few “things” effecting the bar and one is to come up with a current roster of “who’s who” at ”Our” Place. It is time, as so many of our former “regulars” are nowhere to be seen, along with several who were “bestowed” special status in the Order of the Stools, perhaps an idea that has outlived its usefulness or most certainly needs revision. Anyway, there will be some changes forthcoming upon my return from Alaska. Watch for ‘em . . . .

Thanx for the Emails Rob – Ted ‘n Doug! [tup]

Regarding the “Planned Absences” – we simply take a deep breath, tighten our belts and do the best we can! [tup] The idea is – and always has been – to Post morning – noon and evening. Just one guy for the morning – another for noon and yet another in the evening, this place will do just fine. “Bunching” the Posts doesn’t work, nor do the extremely late night or early morning submissions. HOWEVER, if those are the ONLY times available, then go for it! [yeah]

I’ve received an Email from BK ‘n Lydia – along with a Post Card & Birthday card. They are in Hawaii and are planning to spend at least a week on each of the “accessible” islands. Now that’s the way to “honey moon,” eh [?] However, a room at the Red Roof Inn down the street, ‘round the corner, would “work” too! [}:)] [:-,] [;)]

If all went “well,” Lars ‘n Mrs. should be rolling along aboard the California Zephyr. The train was to depart Chicago at 1:50 PM yesterday and right now I’d say they are in Colorado – according to the schedule. He said they planned to spend as much time in the “Sightseer Lounge” as their collective butts could take! [swg] When tired of that, he’d go “below decks” to grab a beer! Now that’s my kinda train trip! [tup]

I concur with trolleyboy Rob and his recommendation to stay on the “ENCORE” idea for most of our Posts – at least until we build back our customer base. That’s what you’ll see from me – for the most part – until my return from the 49th State! [tup]

Appreciate the visits this AM from Ted ‘n Doug! Hope you both have enjoyable weekends – although my guess is Doug will be working, working, working. <groan>

Catch y’all later on . . . .

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER: This is ENCORE Saturday!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:18 AM

Good morning Tom and friends! I'll just have one light breakfast this AM (need to save room for IHOP). I notice we had 50 posts on Tom's B'Day! Not only was the quantity right up there, but the quality was amazing as well. Absolutely terrific posts of stories, pix, and information all day long, and I think it was great! The Weber/Mentor history from Nick was hysterical. Nice to see that Peter, Mike, Shane3, Ted, and of course our B'Day boy Tom survived the party more or less. Received your mail Tom, and have responded. I probably should have forwarded it to all others here as well, so you all know what I'm up to. In a nutshell, I am losing my computer for a few days this week, and then of course we are busy with things concerning our move this June 5th, so I will be here as I can.

Attended the Chicago Train club meeting last night, and saw some familiar faces from my other train clubs. Last night's presentation was slides from tourist railroads in the Appalachians. The speaker made a nifty handout, so I'll be sharing parts of that in the near future. For now, I've got fruit trays to spray, tools to buy, and projects to complete, so I will leave you with this ENCORE

The Great Pickleworks Wreck by Ron Ziel – Rail Classics May 1979

Ever since the Long Island Railroad built its mainline out to Greenport in 1814, the route has been synonymous with luxury trains. In the railway vernacular of the 19th century, these plush limiteds were simply called “varnish” in reference to the wooden coaches and parlor cars. Long after steel replaced wood in the railway car builder’s art, the term “varnish” still lingered. In the early years, the fast passenger express trains made the trip from Brooklyn to Greensport in less time than it takes today (two hours, five minutes in 1901, compared to two hours, forty-three now).

The original purpose of the mainline to Greensport was to speed passengers to Boston via a combination of two trains connected by a steamboat across Long Island Sound. By 1850, however, the New York , New Haven & Hartford Railroad had been completed across southern Connecticut, making the through train route faster and more convenient. The LIRR went into its first bankruptcy and began catering more to the needs of local traffic.

With good, fast and comfortable accommodations available right to the Shelter Island Ferry dock in Greensport, many of the most prominent of New York’s most upper crust of society built mansions on Shelter Island and summered there. For their particular needs, the railroad inaugurated a Friday evening express which has operated for nearly a century variously as “The Shelter Island Flyer,” “The Shelter Island Flyer,” or “The Shelter Island Express.” Whichever name it went by, the train was as much a symbol of luxurious travel as was the “Cannon Ball” or the “Sunrise Special” which ran to the Hamptons and Montauk, on Long Island’s South Fork.

By the 1920’s, The Shelter Island Express, double-headed with two locomotives, carried the stock brokers, the diplomats, the Broadway stars and the nabobs to their summer reverie on the North Fork and Shelter Island.

Friday afternoon, August 13, 1926, was hot and muggy in New York, as passengers descended the steps from the high concourse of Penn Station, to the sweltering tunnel level, to board the electric cars for Jamaica, it was 3:50 p.m., when most New Yorkers were still at work. These passengers were obviously well-to-do and their comings and goings were determined by their own whims, rather than by the clock. One was Harold Fish, a prominent stock broker, who lived in East Marion, beyond the terminal at Greenport. A young mother, Mrs. George Schuford, with two children in tow, followed close behind. They sat on the hard wicker seats of the electric car. Precisely at 4 p.m., the train rolled out of the station and into the tepid, damp tunnel, toward Jamaica.

One mile west of Jamaica station, in the Morris Park engine terminal, forty steam locomotives simmered on the ready tracks. More were being wheeled out of the roundhouse and onto the turntable. It was just an hour before the evening rush began. Engineer Squires and fireman Montgomery signed in with the engine-house clerk, walked over to the turntable pit, just in time to see a handsome four-drivered 1906 Pennsylvania Railroad-built D-16sb American-type locomotive, No. 214 drift out of the roundhouse.

Almost noiselessly, the engine rolled the 100 feet to the edge of the turntable and with a loud clunk, clank as the weight shifted the balance of the table, the trim passenger locomotive was aboard. As she was being turned, Squires and Montgomery walked back to the engine-house to get their orders. A few minutes later, they were in the cab of No. 214, at the throat of the yard.

Soon, a larger locomotive – a Camelback type, with the engineer’s cab astride the boiler – rolled up behind No. 214. This was a big 4-4-2 engine, built by Baldwin in 1901, with 876-inch driving wheels. The gold numeral 2 shone on the black flanks of her cab. This was one of the most renowned engines on the road, and the fastest, having hit close to 120 mph on several occasions, when making up lost time.

The crews of both engines compared watches, complained about the heat and wiped the sweat that left wide steaks of soot down their faces and necks, and returned to their cabs. No. 2 coupled onto the rear of No. 214’s tender, there was a blast of No. 2’s whistle, and the tandem of steam and steel slowly chugged out of the engine yard toward the station.

The electric train from Penn Station had barely discharged its passengers at Jamaica when engines 214 and 2 trundled up to the opposite side of the platform. Right behind No. 2 was the Pullman parlor car Easter Lily. Harold Fish was welcomed aboard by the porter, as were 31 other passengers, including Mrs. Schuford and her two children. A few noticed the gathering thunderheads in the muggy sky and remarked that a storm might bring some relief from the oppressive heat. Easter Lily was not air conditioned; all the widows were open, and the cinder screens were up. The screens offered some protection, but by the end of a run, celluloid collars and white bonnets would be grey with fine coal dust.

After an exchange of whistle blasts, the two locomotives began to roll eastward from track number eight. Directly behind Easter Lily was a combination baggage/coach (the baggage section kept the peasants in the coaches out of the first-class parlor car) followed by four more coaches. Three hundred eighty-seven souls bound for Manorville, the first stop, and points east. This was the great “varnish” of the twenties – the Friday-only train, No. 212, The Shelter Island Express!

At Golden’s Pickle Works in Calverton, it was quitting time. Actually, the workers should have stayed until 6 p.m., but it was Friday, hot and humid, and toward the north, rolling over the hills of southern Connecticut and crossing Long Island Sound, an enormous line storm was building up. The foreman at Golden’s decided to let his crew go half an hour early – before the storm hit. The lids were put on the brine barrels, the open sacks of salt were resealed, and by 5:30 p.m. the foreman had locked up the pickle factory doors, and the dozen workers were on their way home; some walking down the dusty road, others sputtering out of the lot in their Model T’s.

Engineer Squires eased out the throttle of Engine No. 214 after a brief stop at Manorville. The time was 5:41 p.m., and Train No. 212, The Shelter Island Express, was right on the advertised, not one minute late. Montgomery paused long enough in his shoveling to wipe long rivulets of black sweat off his brow with his big, red bandana. He had shoveled six tons of coal through the firebox doors of engine No. 214 in the 73 minutes since they left Jamaica, and he was exhausted.

From the wildly lurching gangway, he looked hopefully toward building thunderheads and the cooling rain, which he knew was just minutes away. Assisted by the big Camelback behind, No. 214 was leading the train at 70 mph. In the Easter Lily, Harold Fish was making his way toward the front vestibule of the rocking 90-ton parlor car. In his heavy, dark suit and high celluloid collar, Fish was sweltering. He needed a breath of fresh air. As he walked down the corridor of the car, the mother of the two children was telling them of the wonderful weekend ahead on Shelter Island. A maid brought them cups of ice water from the sweating cooler at the rear of the car.

Train No. 212 roared into Calverton at better than 70 mph. Half a mile ahead, a pickup truck approached the Edwards Avenue grade crossing. The driver decided to stop, for he knew the speed of the Shelter Island Express on this stretch of the railroad. As the two men in the truck watched, engine No. 214 reached the Golden siding switch, made a sudden, violent lurch, jumped into the air and rolled over on her side with a great crunching sound.

Engine No. 2 veered off the main track and, still coupled with the train, careened into the siding alongside the Golden Pickle Works, then left the rails and hit the side of the building, sending pickles and brine in every direction. The big Atlantic spun completely around knocking out the entire side of the pickle plant before it came to a stop. The Easter Lily, still coupled to No 2’s tender, wrenched free and burrowed deep into the collapsing building. A cloud of dust rose 200 feet in the air.

The men in the truck stared in disbelief at the scene. All was quiet, except for the distant rolling thunder.

The Camelback’s fireman had been thrown off his firing deck and was badly bruised. His engineer had a deep gash in the side of his head where he had been thrown against a red-hot injector pipe, but was still conscious. The fireman grabbed his shovel and began to heave dirt into the firebox, for he knew that if flames reached the wrecked building the passengers trapped inside the parlor car and the combine were doomed.

After extinguishing the fire in No. 2, the fireman ran down to No. 214 which was lying on her side, enveloped in clouds of escaping steam. As he began shoveling sand into the firebox of the No. 214, he found the bodies of her crew. Squires and Montgomery had been pinned against the red-hot boiler backhead by several tons of coal.

The two men in the truck regained their composure and raced to the wreck scene. A dazed man staggered out of the rear vestibule of Easter Lily. He was carrying a little boy. The boy was put in the truck, and the men sped the vehicle toward the hospital in Riverhead. They had gotten less than halfway when he died. Back in the parlor car, his sister was already dead. Their mother, Mrs. Schuford, was trapped in the wreckage.

A few miles away, at Camp Upton, the 62nd Coast Artillery Regiment was on maneuvers. The men had heard the Shelter Island Express pass, and they had heard the great crash as the engines left the rails. As the thunderstorm broke, the soldiers drove searchlight trucks over to Calverton. Doctors and rescue workers were crawling through the wreckage as the regiment set up its lights. The macabre scene was continually accentuated by brilliant lightning bolts. The thunder was deafening, and torrents of rain turned the dust and earth which the engines had churned up into a quagmire.

Men with lights reached the front vestibule of Easter Lily and found the body of Fish, who had smothered to death as salt poured down on him from the attic of the demolished building. The mother of the dead children, Mrs. Schuford, passed away shortly after reaching the hospital, six hours later.

Meanwhile, the electrifying news flashed up to the North Fork. The telegrapher at Calverton sent word of the wreck to Jamaica, and the agents farther east at Riverhead, Aquebogue, Jamesport, Mattituck, Cutchogue, Peconic, Southhold and Greenport all picked it up. They rushed out onto the station platforms to tell the people who were waiting to meet the train, what had happened.

Within minutes, everybody had heard of the Great Pickle Works Wreck. Anybody who had an automobile loaded up with family, friends and neighbors and headed for Calverton. By 7 p.m., on the Friday the thirteenth, Riverhead had a traffic jam – the first in its history.

[:I] Two guys are quietly sitting in a boat fishing and sucking down beer when suddenly one of them says, "I think I'm going to divorce my wife - she hasn't
spoken to me in over 2 months."
The other sips his beer and says, "You better think it over - women like that are hard to find." [:I]

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:01 AM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 114

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Atlantic Coast Line (ACL)

Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL

Route mileage in 1950: 5,528

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 170
Passenger: 62
Dual mode (freight/passenger): 234
Switchers: 119

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 28,847; Passenger cars – 405

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Tampa, FL, via Jacksonville and Orlando.
Wilson-Wilmington, NC
Wilmington-Pee Dee (Florence) SC
Winston-Salem, NC-Florence
Florence-Atlanta
Brunswick, GA-Montgomery, AL
Birmingham, AL-Waycross, GA
Albany-Dunnellon, FL
Jacksonville-St. Petersburg, FLA via Gainesville, Leesburg and Trilby
Dupont, GA-Naples, FL

Passenger trains of note:

East Coast Champion (New York-Miami)
West Coast Champion (New York-Tampa & St. Petersburg & Sarasota)
Tamiami Champion – Predecessor of East and West Coast Champions
Florida Special (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg)
Miamian (Washington-Miami)
Vacationer (New York-Miami)
Havana Special (New York-Key West, FL)
Palmetto (New York-Savannah & Augusta & Wilmington)
Everglades (New York-Jacksonville)
Gulf Coast Special (New York-Tampa & Ft. Myers & St. Petersburg; formerly Havana Special)

Of note: North of Richmond, RF&P and PRR handled passenger trains.
South of Jacksonville, FEC handled trains bound for Miami and Key West.
SAL handled trains headed for Miami south of Auburndale, FL in 1963.

Other carrier’s trains destined to Florida, such as the City of Miami – South Wind – Flamingo – Dixie Limited – Dixie Flyer – Seminole and Southland were combined with named ACL trains.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:45 AM

And a happy, healthy good Saturday morning to all. Tom, just a bakery fre***oasted Onion Roll w/cream cheese and a snort of C.R. in a tall cuppa Joe, if you please. Yes, just a week ago Rob, Heather, you and I were planning our day's excursion over a delicious breakfast with anticipation of plenty of traction and "war birds" in the offing. The day did not disappoint and but for an incredible social faux pas on my part, the experience rounded out the perfect rail encounter north of the 49th.[^] BTW gents, the "Airlink" limo to Pearson went without a hitch and a good conversation was shared with the Chaffeur and a native born Scotsman traveling to Seattle, WA. Still don't have a clue what Mr. MacDuff was saying but we were all laughing which is pretty international.[tup] I really don't want to go farther than the curb at Pearson Field as it would require mention of the transfer at Atlanta International, HELP!!![v]

jlampke John looks like I'm the last in line to congratulate you on pasing the Cheifs test. Do I smell promotion in the air? Be that as it may, the spiffy uniform and Officer's visored cap brings pride and prestige to the soul in my "old soldier's" manual.[tup] Pete if I may "read between the lines," it sounds as if you and Mrs. Pete are anxiously awaiting the peal of "Big Ben."[:D] A 4 hour layover at Gatwick is the best I could manage for "Jolly Olde." Travelers Aid folks there advised me not to venture via "tube" to Victoria Sta. and return in that narrow "window." Kinda kick myself now for not, at least giving it a shot.[V] Mike and CM3, great to see fellow survivors from Thursday's melee. Both of you even managed to claw your way from under the debris and offer something rational to the surreal aftermath, stout fellows and well done. Nick my good chap, I trust "Spring house cleaning" hasn't got the best of you by now.[:O] Your choices from the Galley were superb so far as I can recollect. However, I'm a poor judge as I was nearly through a bowl of Boris' Mutton stew before your A.P.B. went out. One trip from the Mentor rescue squad sufficed for treatment on all counts, fortunately. So it is really true that Tom's namesakes pillaged and raveged the Dales and Glens of the "Lion Heart's turf," eh? There must've been a Tutonic Knight some where in the "wood pile" because he asked me if "I had relatives in the Old Country" several times.[:O]

Well, today is marred with domestic accounts that just won't go away. So, without further ado Boris, set the spatula down and yank the lanyard...BURNK!!! I really don't discuss it![:(!] Happy rails, Ted

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siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:25 AM

courtesy: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

It’s the weekend! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Baker – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]

Daily Wisdom

There’s always a few longhairs who do their ***dest to fertilize the cow country’s reputation for being wild and wooly.

Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
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* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
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Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] It was November, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn’t tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that it was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth and called the National Weather Service and asked “Is the coming winter going to be cold?” “It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold,” the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the chief went back to his tribe and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later, the chief called the National Weather Service again. “Does it still look like it’s going to be a very cold winter?” “Yes,” the man at the National Weather Service again replied “it’s going to be a very cold winter”. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every piece of firewood they could find. Two weeks later, the Chief called the National Weather Service again and asked “Are you absolutely sure that this winter is going to be very cold? “Absolutely,” replied the man, it’s looking more and more that this is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. “How can you be so sure?” the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, “The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.” [:I][/green]

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NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, May 14th thru May 20th: A Fish Called Wanda (1988) starring: John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Kline & Michael Palin –and- The French Connection (1971) starring: Gene Hackman & Ray Scheider. SHORT: Restless Knights (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 21st thru May 27th: The Pink Panther (1964) starring: Peter Sellers, David Niven & Capucine –and- The Odd Couple (1968) starring: Jack Lemon & Walter Mathau. SHORT: Pop Goes the Easel (1935).

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 19 May 2006, 06:04:08 (335) AM Post

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 07:03:55 (336) Friday’s Info & 50-Post Summary

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 May 2006, 08:11:27 (336) WVA Report!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 09:04:48 (336) Acknowledgments & Comments

(5) pwolfe Pete Posted: 19 May 2006, 10:34:35 (336) Pete’s comments!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 12:27:54 (336) Pix & Comments

(7) pwolfe Pete Posted: 19 May 2006, 13:33:43 (336) GB Loco allocation, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 14:01:35 (336) Pix & Comments

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 19 May 2006, 16:24:20 (336) More LMS & LNER, etc.

(10) wanswheel Mike Posted: 19 May 2006, 16:27:32 (336) URLs – what else? [swg]

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 16:49:33 (336) for Pete & Pix!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 17:03:36 (336) for Mike & Pix!

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 19 May 2006, 18:24:40 (336) Bearman’s Chat!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 May 2006, 19:28:33 (336) Pix & Comments

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 May 2006, 00:25:58 (336) Count Robulla’s Nite Cap!

That’s it![tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:25 AM

Good evening Leon, you seem to be listing a tad [:O] Oh it's just the broken footrail behind the bar. At least the genuine I can't believe it's not wood splinter proof parquet flooring managed to survive last nights onslaught. Oh and the left over hammerbrau was successfully used to clean out the steam lines in all the passeneger trains in the yard.

Pete'n'Lars 5x[tup] for spear heading the birthday fete yesterday. it was a rip roaring success [swg]

lars Try to enjoy the trip. Ted and I will try to keep the wheels greased here at the bar.

Mike Glad to see that you made it back in today in fine urlmeister form [tup]

Tom Fine spread of VIA pictures today as well, I enjoyed seeing them all again[tup] It was a good day last night everyone deserves a pat on the back for their participation 5x[tup] for all of you.[:D][yeah][wow]

CM3 Your absence will be missed, however enjoy the trip from H-E double Hockey sticks and we will keep your stool warm, and free of debris.

Ted I'm glad that you enjoyed the material,good to know some of your vetran friends got a kick out of that stuff as well. Looks as though it's you and I for a good part of the upcomming weeks,we shall fight the good fight alongside robin hood von Weber Tom [swg]

A suggestion folks. In the upcomming lean weeks ENCORES and short acknowledgements may be our best coarse of action as new info will have a quite small reading audience. Food for thought anyway

Anyhow kind of still winding down from yesterday so nite all [zzz] Rob

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 19, 2006 7:28 PM

G'day Ted

Good to see ya at the bar! [tup] And to think that this time last week we were enjoying the comforts of the St. George Arms with the best of brews freely flowing and some fine cuisine to follow. [yeah] All but memories now - but good ones! [tup]

Another VIA Rail Pix . . .

Courtesy: www.viarail.ca

Reminder!
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

Anonymous

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April 2003
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 19, 2006 6:24 PM

Gadfrey Daniel, I was nearly crowned by the Can-Am 200 ton rail wrecking crane. Oh well, there was some talk of remodeling the bar anyhoo, right? Boris' shed will be missed temporarily tho. Tom, a double Crown and soda w/twist to make up for lost time, if you please.[tup] I can't believe the sensational participation for the "bash of the year."[tup] X a google. Pete, wow, the pix and text for U.K. rails have been a feast for the eyes and international palate. BTW, the magazine you sent via Rob is opening Pandora's Box for continental european steam as well. I gotta love the vintage "push (pull) door" smooth sides passenger cars. Lars, bon voyage and "leave your troubles at your door step" ( "Sunny Side of the Street" song circa 1930's). Nick [C=:-)] the "Black Beef" may be just a bit heavy for my still queezy intestinal condition. Sauces? How about an Armenian marinade instead? I wasn't aware of Tom's conspicuous auspicious lineage to the "olde country." I really can't picture him brandishing a broad sword in Sherwood Forest tights.[:O] There must be some mistake in the geneolgy some where. Al surely didn't allow the old B. & O. to go by unoticed, right?[tup] Mike it is uncanny that you manage such appropriate URL's even to a chronology of our "esteamed" proprietor's varied career on land and at sea, just unbelievable![tup] Hey Doug, that cloth heraldry patch took some doing. Just going on E-Bay is a daunting challenge for some of us. Seriously, it really is a pleasure for me to languish in the fine steam era railroadiana you manage to bring to the party on a steady basis.[^] Rob, the flyers and memorabilia from the Air War Museum is a huge hit with my senior colleagues who served near or during that epoch, many thanks again. Well foks, I know I'm leaving some unaddressed issues here but there is always another time. I know Tom and others are anticipating an active summer vacation period which will take a heavy toll on "Our" Place in the future. I'll do what time allows to "keep the home fires burning." For now, let's look at the positive side and remember there will be copius "feed back" from their absences. Good evening all and Boris put those matches away, "...home fires..." is only a metaphor. Happy rails, Ted

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siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 19, 2006 5:03 PM

Hi Mike

Snuck that one in on me! Enjoyed the URLs and thanx for the effort (and round!) [tup] [tup]

That shot of the Troy, New York winter scene is 'something else' - really a nostalgic look about it! [tup]

Wonder WHAT it IS about passenger railroading that brings out the deep thought - the emotion - the urge to climb aboard - and GO! [?]

Appreciate your stopping by and helping to keep the place "up 'n running!"

And oh - that's an Elk watching the VIA Rail Park car go by . . . [swg]

Another VIA Rail Pix . . . .

VIA Rail Park Car Kooteny Park -
Courtesy: www.trainweb.org

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 19, 2006 4:49 PM

Hi Pete

When I signed on, I saw you 'n jlampke John "lurking in the shadows" - but now it's just me. Anyway, appreciate your patronage and Posts! [tup] [tup]

If I could, I'd arrange for a trip over to YOUR HOUSE upon our return from Alaska. Wouldn't that be great! [?] You'd really get a lot of work done with me around, eh [?] [swg] I'd love to do it - and here's the reality part - I could - but who would take care of my "baby" - Juneau [?] Oh well, it's nice thinking about it . . . .

Appreciate the insight with regard to the LMS & LNER .. not at all unlike what must have been the case between the PRR 'n NYC. Fierce competition turned into "can't we all be friends??" Barf! [swg]

Here's another of my favorite Pix . . . .

Revelstoke Park Car w/Mount Robson in background -
Courtesy: www.trainweb.org

Enjoy the Bathams and have another! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

wanswheel

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November 2005
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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, May 19, 2006 4:27 PM

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Always good to see that picture of the Moose.

Imagine playing pinball on a train, a notion from where else but a passengerfan post.
Every time Altoona comes up, I think what a cool name for a city. PRR set up shop about 1850 or so, on its way to conquering the Allegheny Mountains, necessesary task in order to reach Pittsburgh and the Ohio River. First suggested by a Danish engineer, after Altona, a railroad town in Denmark. The extra "o" gives it just the right amount of distinctive differentiation, as does the curve on the shoe of a horse, of course.
http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/keystonecity/keystonecity_pic1.jpg

I like this photo of a New York Central train at Troy, NY. Found it from exploring the links within a URL that CM3 posted the other day. This Internet is truly forrest gumpy, it's all a box of chocolates. http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/images/troy/p-Broadway-Shag.jpg

Pete, thanks for the words "multiple unit" in describing DMU. There's so many abbreviations and acronyms in the industry it helps to occassionally spell it out for dummies. Six months ago I would've thought GG-1 had something to do with George Gobel.

DMU 144022/55845 http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/NS144022YORK-DE11-5D55.jpg

DMU 142042/55633 http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/MRSYRAL-LVRPOL-DE15-5D39.jpg

DMU 158757 http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/NW158757YORK-DE11-05D58.jpg

DMU158903. http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/NS158903YORK-DE11-5D56.jpg

DMU 170104 http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/CENT170104LVRPOL-DE15-5D23.jpg

Caledonia Sleeper http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/SR10519VCTRIA-DE15-5D9.jpg

On 1 January 1923, the 123 companies operating Britain's railways were amalgamated into four groups: the London and North Eastern Railway, the London, Midland & Scottish Railway, the Great Western Railway and the Southern Railway.
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/on-line/southforsunshine/images/straight.jpe

The Coronation Scot (London, Midland & Scottish) engine 6220, a 4-6-2 and 8 cars . New York World's Fair, August 4, 1939 http://photoswest.org/photos/00020501/00020569.jpg

pwolfe

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From: mid mo
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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, May 19, 2006 4:24 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Go on then TOM I'll have the Bathams, thanks.

That pic is one of my all time favourites

Hopefully I should be able to get some work done over there but the two Alans are hatching a plan to see how many Holdens pubs we can visit in one day so that is a least one, more likely two, days out of the work programme. We will do this with a West Midlands bus and train ticket.

With the LMS the main problem occured with the 1923 grouping of lines in Britain into the Big Four. With the east coast route to Edinburgh, Scotland the companies which went into the LNER,the Great Northern , North Eastern and North British were already working together.
With the routes to Glasgow the main companies which went into the LMS in England the London & North Western and the Midland were bitter rivals and to make matters worse the Scottish companies The Caledonian, partner with the L &NWR and the Glasgow & South Western the Midland's partner were if any thing rather worse.

Things were not happy in the LMS for along time. It is said that the LMs was the largest private company in the world at one time. The Midland small engine policy was used by the new management with nothing larger than 4-4-0 being built for passenger work at first which were not good enough for the ex L&NWR route. Things improved with the Royal Scot class but it wasnt until W.A. Stanier from the Great Western was appointed Chief Engineer in 1933 that the LMS had really good motive power.

Unfortunatly I have to go out for a while but I would like to return to this subject again Pete.

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 19, 2006 2:01 PM

Hi Pete

I'm no help when it comes to "loco allocation" and perhaps we've got one or two guys who may be able to pick up on this. Unfortunately, given our dwindling numbers - you may wi***o restate the question later on.

Now remember, the whole idea of this trip to the "mother country" was to get some WORK done! Seems like you're already planning sufficient rail excursions to avoid getting the "heavy lifting" done! [swg] Hope your Mrs. isn't reading this! <grin>

As with any period of mergers with what used to be the competition, I'd guess there was quite a bit of consternation to contend with once LMS "downsized" and then folded its tent. Over here, I can just imagine the feelings of those who gave their very best to the Pennsylvania RR and New York Central, only to have them combine - and then fall flat on its collective faces. Pity, but it's life, eh[?]

Here's another of my favorite Pix . . . .

Courtesy: www.viarail.ca

Have a Bathams on me! Cofffee doesn't "get it" at this time of day! [swg] [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

pwolfe

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From: mid mo
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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, May 19, 2006 1:33 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Feeling a bit brighter but I think I had better just have a coffee.

TOM Good pic of the VIA car and it does seem hard to believe that a week as gone by since ROB, TED and YOU were at the Rendezvous.

Just to add a little to a post I done yesterday. Good old ALAN has sent me an e-mail to a question of mine, when he got back from a trip.It is to do with the depots the two locos I referred to last evening were allocated to.

In 1962 60033 SEAGULL was shedded at Kings Cross depot, just north of the London terminus of the same name, so she would be a regular engine to be seen on the southern part of the LNER East Coast Main Line.

Not so #68 later 60068 SIR VISTO this loco was allocated to Carlise Canel depot in ex LMS territory. She would work over the Waverley route which followed the Scottish Borders from Carlisle to Edinburgh. The line was run by the North British Railway until the 1923 grouping when it became part of the LNER . This much lamented line closed in 1969 amid much protest.
So #68 would be a rare engine indeed on the east coast main line specially south of Newcastle-On -Tyne causing great delight to railfans if she did.

When I get back it would be great to find out how locos were allocated to depots over here. PETE.

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 19, 2006 12:27 PM

G'day!

I'm in a VIA Rail frame of mind . . . so throughout the day, that's what you'll be seeing! [tup]

Courtesy: www.viarail.ca

Good to see you Pete! - appears as if the Bash! took its toll on more than a few of the party goers, eh[?] [swg]

Amazing how time flies! Last week at this time, we were on board the GO Transit train on our easterly round trip from Toronot's Union Station! [yeah] Hard to believe that Rendezvous I is said and done! [wow]

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

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