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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:28 AM

ENCORE! Courtesy: www.viarail.ca


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Thursday has arrived! C’mon in – enjoy a cup of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board and of course one or two goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery!



Daily Wisdom


If you want to leave your mark, don’t let the sun catch you in bed.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
ENCORE: Chesapeake & Ohiio (C&O) -
Arrives Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SATURDAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
Scheduled for NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) – 3 – 7 PM (Eastern)


MONDAY, May 29th is U.S. Memorial Day!



MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner


Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] A cowboy rode into town and stopped at a saloon for a drink. Unfortunately, the locals always had a habit of picking on strangers, which he was. When he finished his drink, he found his horse had been stolen. He goes back into the bar, handily flips his gun in the air, catches it above his head without even looking and fires a shot into the ceiling. "WHICH ONE OF YOU SIDEWINDERS STOLE MY HORSE?" he yelled with surprising forcefulness no one answered "All right, I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DRINK, AND IF MY HORSE AIN'T BACK OUTSIDE BY THE TIME I FINNISH, I'M GONNA DO WHAT I DONE IN TEXAS! AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, I DON'T LIKE DOING WHAT I DONE IN TEXAS! Some of the locals shifted restlessly. He had another drink, walked outside, and sure enough his horse was back. He saddled up and started to ride out. The bartender came out and said "Say partner, before you go.... what happened in Texas?"
The cowboy turned back and said "I had to walk home." [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre


NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 01:44:52 (339) Wednesday’s Info & 18-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 02:40:18 (339) Insomnia!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:06:25 (339) Comments

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:18:24 (339) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Pt II

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:20:22 (339) Gulf Coast Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 09:38:49 (340) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:06:52 (340) ENCORE: BK’s 19 Apr 2006 Post

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:11:40 (340) Comments

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:16:48 (340) ENCORE: Lars 03 May 2006 Post

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:27:13 (340) ENCORE: Classic Juice #8 – The PCC

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 May 2006, 16:18:10 (340) Chat

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 May 2006, 18:53:22 (340) SP Special Duty Series

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 19:32:44 (340) Acknowledgments & Comments

(14) wanswheel Mike Posted: 24 May 2006, 20:43:56 (340) Comments ‘n URLs

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:20:55 (340) Count Robulla;s Nite Cap!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:34:39 (340) ENCORE: The Nearside Car

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:43:10 (340) ENCORE: BK’s A Man Named Pullman




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:43 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

One last encore for this evening. This one from one of our "bookends"Seems appropriate seeing as how [4:-)][oX)]Captain Tom has brought in some fine input from both BK and Lars today. This is truly one of the good ones infowise that we have come to see here at the bar [tup][yeah]

See everyone tomorrow.

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by BudKarr

Good Day Gentlemen,



Caveat: This was begun nearly two weeks ago. Interruptions have prevented me from completing this endeavor in a timely fashion.



A Man Named Pullman

There are volumes that have been written about George Mortimer Pullman (1831-1897) and the long lasting contributions his innovativeness of the railroad car and management of them made to North American railroading. Some highlights are in order:

(1) Born into a Brockton, NY family of farmers and mechanics in 1831, it is appropriate to state that he was NOT the inventor of the sleeping car. That distinction, according to history, goes to the Cumberland Valley Railroad, who began operation of those types of cars several years before Pullman’s birth.

(2) His first venture into the adult world was as a cabinet maker, turned contractor. The latter brought him to Chicago where he met a man named Benjamin Field, who would become a long time partner and associate in the rail car management, design and operation business.

(3) The first railroad to adopt the Pullman-Field approach to sleeping cars was the Chicago, Alton & St. Louis Railroad in 1859 when they accepted the offer to have two of their coaches remodeled into sleepers.

(4) In 1865, the largest and most costly car of the day was built by Pullman himself, appropriately named the Pioneer for the westward expansion of the railroads to the Pacific Coast. This car had the distinction of costing $20 thousand, about 5 times the cost of a coach, had 16 wheels, and 12 sections of sleeper units. IT was longer, wider and higher than the standard coaches of the day. In fact the Pioneer was used in President Lincoln’s funeral consist and required the stations along the way to make structural changes to their platforms in order to accommodate the passing train! The Pioneer was credited with having the first fold down berths, and while perhaps not the most luxurious in design and accommodations, was at least as well appointed.

(5) By the end of 1866, every major railroad serving Chicago signed on the Pullman-Field sleeping car operation. Field decided that Pullman was better off on his own, and stepped aside.

(6) Early in the 1870s, 800 of Pullman’s cars operated over 30,00 miles of track in an association between his company and the ACL, CRI&P, DL&W, MP, NP, AT&SF and SP. It was to be that Pullman’s “Empire” would buy up the contracts of the association railroads, thereby providing him with the sole access desired.

(7) Upon his untimely death in 1897, the heirs of the family took over and moved forward with the innovations many take for granted even to this day:

(a) PULLMAN 12-1: Usually this heavyweight trailed the streamlined consist – with the exception of a heavyweight lounge car midway in the string. The car was a 12 section, 1 drawing room Pullman rather common back in the 40’s.

(b) PULLMAN SECTION SLEEPER: Provided the most basic in terms of sleeping accommodations for the first class traveler. This arrangement may be posed an awkward situation for some, as complete strangers wound up sharing the unit. The protocol was passengers who purchased the upper-berths were obliged to sit in the rearward facing seats during daytime travel, whereas the lower berths entitled the passengers to the forward facing ones. The upper berth was without windows, and was accessed by a ladder. Heavy, dark curtains provided privacy for the sleepers in each unit.

(c) THE ROOMETTE: A 1937 innovation provided the privacy and space demanded by the traveling public. These were smaller than double bedrooms, but much more affordable for the single traveler. By day, there was a wide, plush seat with a toilet facility. At night, the bed folded out of the wall, covering the toilet, but gave a window level, wall to wall, bed. This accommodation became the most popular following the end of WWII.

(d) THE DOUBLE BEDROOM: This was the choice for traveling couples. With two beds, two collapsible day chairs and a fully accessible toilet (at all times), a cozy environment was provided for the train travelers. There were two types: (1) a couch that folded into a bed, crosswise to the rails, with a second bed folded down from the ceiling. (2) Then there were the fold down bunks parallel to the rails.

(e) MASTER BEDROOM: Some referred to this as a “cousin” to the Drawing Room. Both featured three beds, but the difference was the fully enclosed shower in the Master Bedroom. The bunk beds were perpendicular to the rails, whereas the third bed was at window level and parallel to them.

(f) PULLMAN RESTAURANT CAR: In the 1930s, Pullman converted many heavyweights into “Parlour – restaurant” or “restaurant-sleeper” cars. This was done to supplement the operating railroad’s usually full dining cars. Pullman’s own employees were assigned to these cars and they quickly became the “car of choice” for Pullman travelers. Elegance in dining was commonplace at these tables.

(8) THE END: The Pullman Company ceased collecting money and staffing cars after December 31, 1968. Shortly thereafter the maintenance for the cars ended, thereby leaving the host railroads with a choice: staff them on their own, or discontinue the sleepers.

POST SCRIPT: There is so much not said within this submission about this fine company. Those who created it, nurtured it and operated it have a place in railroad lore, just as well as those who staffed and maintained those wonderful Pullmans of days gone by.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:34 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juice encore for you gents to peruse, in keeping with the historic trolley car aspects.
Enjoy again. Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


The Nearside Car A Classic Juice tech story



Since the beginning of public transportation, fare collection and how it was handled has always been a determining factor of car design.When horse cars were first introduced the driver handled the horses and the conductor collected the fares from the passengers as they entered the rear of the car and exited at the front. This is ( was known) as pay as you enter. ( PAYE )

This continued into the electrification of the street railways.The conductor would signakl the stop and starts for the motorman via bell signals.Howerevr because passengers entered at the rear of the car the motorman did not always have a clear view of them and accidents were unfortunatly common as the motorman would start off and passengers would grab for a handrail etc miss and fall. This resulted in injuries sometimes deaths and lawsuits against the company.

To combat these problems and lawsuits, an English born Thomas E. Mitten ( who was the acting chairman of the executive commitee of Philladelphia Rapid Transit, initiated and oversaw the design of a new type of car.This car was ultimatly named the "Nearside" car.Passengers boarded and departed through the front doors on these cars, this gave the motorman much better control. The conductor sat behind the motorman and called out street names and destinations as well as still collecting the fairs and issuing the transfers.Passengers could still exit the car via the back doors if they wished

In the days before the Nearsides the car would pull through the intersection to line up the back doors for the passengers to board. So they stopped on the farside of the intersection. Mitten's design called for the passengers to enter at the front, so the cars stopped on the "near" side of the intersection, hence the name.

For political reasons trhe first cars of this design were built by J. G . Brill of Philladelphia. Both cars were sent to Buffalo and tested there for assesment as Buffalo's street railway was once served by Mitten as General manager. The first prototypes #6000 and 6001 were built in 1912.

The standard specs for these cars was as follows 45' 6" in length over the anticlimbers.width of 8' 5" ,top of the rail to top of the roof 12' 0". The original design called for the use of Brill's maximum traction truck 33" driving ( powered ) wheels and the second axel with 22" non powered. IN typical Brill fashion the cars had a high arched roof for summer time ventilation.

The Brill records show that slightly more than 2000 of these casr were built. Used by Buffalo,Chicago,Philladelphia,Atlantic City ,and Lincoln Nebraska. One of these cars was made for Canada for the British Columbia Electric Railway ( BCE ) in Vancouver. It was number 501 and was to be the prototype no more were ordered however. Philly not supprisingly had the largest fleet numbering 1500 cars

The Nearside was the first of two major fare collection induced design changes for streetcars. the next happening in 1920 by peter Witt of Cleveland. That story will come later.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:20 PM
Good evening Leon, I think a round of CR;'s for the crew tonight would be in order.

Tom The "Schoolmarms" said that they will meet up with you at the airport to administer their "test(s)" Helga did want to know if you were allergic to latex for some reason though[:O][%-)][:-,][:-^] Sounds like it will be one heck of a nice trip though, would be nice country to see that and the Yukon and it's narrow guage delights.I will have some of my rendezvous photo's back in a day or two ( gotta fini***he film first ) I'm still a 35mm man, I haven't tested the digital waters just yet.I bet you are wishing that you guys had Chris Pronger back right about now eh [?]

Dave great to see you on a wed. afternoon. Good article, hopefully as Tom said you will repost it again in a couple of weeks when the rest are back from their absences.I've always liked the SD7's and SD9's they are a real locomotive, loud and chunky. Too bad that they never gained favour up here. I picked up a Lifelike SD7
Demonstrator though just cause I had to have one, and a demo is the only one I could justify on a Canadian layout.

Mike I'm glad that you liked the PCC article, nexyt to the old tried and true single truck birney car they were thee trolley car in most NA cities. I liked your follow up B&O yurls as well [tup] I'm not a huge Johnny Cash fan but the Piece at a time was one I do like, I have a recording of it kicking around here someplace.

Al You need to take your laptop at least to the cabin, that way you can format your book in peace an spend quality time here the rest of the time when you have an internet connection. [swg]

Rob
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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:43 PM
Hi Tom and everyone or two or three, a round for the house.

Dave, I'll read your post pretty soon.

Mets won last night, beat the Phils 9-8 in 16 innings. Longest Met game in 11 years. They're leading 5-4 at the moment. Let me get this posted so I can watch it.

Rob, your encore was good the first time too. I remember doing some googling about it. Learned a lot.

Ted, there was a Johnny Cash song, "One Piece At a Time," about a guy working 20 years at General Motors hauled home enough spare parts in his lunch box to build a Cadillac. Now a guy can walk out the door with 26.5 million records in his pocket. That's progress.

Probably why I still love classic trains, 35 years gone now. Unless you count the early days of Amtrak when they still ran trains of 'classic train' cars. No, I guess we can't count Amtrak. But the mountains and rivers on the rails today haven't changed that much, there's still a hint of what was.

Tom, If you can bear to click just a few more links for me, a post script to the B&O:

Last run of "The Metropolitan" at tunnel 8, heading toward Parkersburgh, WV at the end of April 1971 http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/wva/Am116.jpg

Eastbound B&O at Parkersburgh, a few years earlier: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/markley/Am18.jpg

Chicago http://www.jerryapp.com/arcv1/ja-r029.jpg

Pittsburgh?
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-mld-ebr.jpg 1

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-moonlight-7r.jpg 2

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-mld-fbr.jpg 3

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-ml-br.jpg 4

NOTRE DAME http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-colobs-ajs.jpg
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:32 PM
G'day!

I see that we have 12 Posts thus far today, of which 6 are mine (not counting this one). So, breaking it down further, we've had 4 customers today (some repetitive). Now, given our situation of reduced patronage due to planned absenses, that ain't all so bad!

Dave I sent you an Email and hope you find the time to check out what I've provided. Given the way things are and will continue to be - we are encouraging more 'n more ENCORE Posts - repeats - until we get the gang back (as in regulars).

Also, reading those daily SUMMARIES will provide the "heads up" for one and all insofar as the way things are 'round the bar.

Al That cabin sounds IDEAL! How do I get the keys [?] [swg]

Appreciate the rounds from Dave 'n Al [tup]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)



Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:53 PM
[:D] Good wendsday Tom and all, round of Anchor Hocking if you please.

Quiet indeed, here goes my presentation:

THE ERA OF THE SPECIAL DUTY SERIES ARRIVES ON THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC;

In 1952 EMD began production of a model that would come to signify the Southern pacific's answer for severe tonnage ratingsover sever grades and light trackage requirements, the SD7 packing 1700hp with the new twelve axle Flexcoil trucks and employing maxium ballast in the frame for enhanced traction.

SP could have placed this order for forty eight units with Baldwin or Alco, as both builders had a history of heavy road switcher deliveries to the SP, in the end, SP chose EMD reliability over increased horsepower per unit. SP wanted no surprises out on the road. Deliveries continued until mid 1954 when the SD9 sucessor was announced. They arrived wearing the standard switcher paint for units of over 1500hp of black carbody,silver ends and Daylight orange Tiger stripes, the famous "Black Window" colors were still a few years away for the SD7's.

Numbered 4301-4347 they were immediently assigned to the tough and grueling Shasta Division, were they not only replaced steam but F7's as well. The displaced F units migrated to the Donner crossing, until sufficient SD deliveries caused them to be homeless again.
No longer would it be required to mu ten or more F units to avoid burning traction motors when half the number of SD's could handle the task.

Some not all, wore orginal paint to the introduction of Grey and scarlet in 1961, they were still considered first line mainline power, however, by 1965 SP reclassified them as heavy switchers. Along with recalssification came new numbers in the 4400 series. Two SD7' escaped the downgrade, 4450/4451 retained their steam boilers for use on the Lathrop connection of the daylight, considered the best scrubbed units on the road they were nicknamed "Huff and Puff" in difference to their lack of speed, they later migrated to the commute pool and saw service on company trains as well.

The SD's reigned supreme on the North Western Pacifc, heavy lumber traffic, questionable track conditions and many grades required as many as six to get the job done and there they stayed until the Union Pacifc merger. The complete SD roster was included in the GRIP program, SP had no intent to re-invent the wheel, but incorporate new technologies not available when built, the horsepower ratings was not changed, no chopped noses were applied, but improved traction motors/ wiring and filter/spark arrestors were installed and the rear hood stripped of all light packages and the number boards plated over. Despite being renumbered yet again back to the 4300's and offically confined to yard/transfer service, SP dispatchers would find mainline assignments for them, often in the lead position leaving much newer designs to the trailing postions well into the nineteen eighties. All divisions rostered the SD series for helper duty at one time or another.

The final use of the SD's occured under Union Pacifc ownership when the final four serviceable units were assigned to duty out of Bakersfield in helper duty when they pressed into one final mainline assignment in 1997.

Dave
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:18 PM
Good afternoon Tom and Rob and whoever else might be hanging around this day. Time for a quick CR and a round for the house. If I keep peeking in here I am not going to get much writing accomplished on my RDC book.
Our Place is definitely a distraction , but an enjoyable one.

I figured with all of the model train stuff on Wednesday i could at least get my new book formatted today. So far not so. If the phone rings one more time I will disconnect it. My boss has a mountain cabin without a phone says I can use it but can't talk the nurse into driving up their to see me everyday. The cabin sounds nice after I get all of this contraption disconnected for a couple of weeks at least. No phone no internet, no wife just peace and quiet. Nice thought anyway.

Well back to my new venture

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:07 PM
G'day!

Just a few comments as the temps are on the rise here in mid-Continent USA along with tornado warnings for a few adjacent counties. [tdn]


Rob - Siberia ain't Alaska - and that's where Juneau's ancestral lineage may be traced - Siberian Husky. [swg] Anyway, this trip is primarily a rail riding experience from Anchorage to Denali to Fairbanks to Anchorage - hardly anything that our puppy would be permitted to share! [swg] Nice thought, though!

Not so sure I can "buy" that weak explanation from you, Elmer - but if it "works" for you, then . . . . [swg] Of course the important thing is that you stopped by and provided us all with something of interest! [tup]

So where's 20 Fingers [?] Oh, that's right - it's Toy 'n Model Trains Day! and my guess is he thinks that we don't permit anything else! <groan> C'mon Al - I know you're out there! [swg]

Getting back to your comments, Elmer - I WISH we were indeed going to be in the Arctic. That's an enviornment I've always enjoyed. But this trip will be in temperate climates for this time of year. I suspect we'll see 60s 'n 70s during the afternoons, with probably 40s at night and early morning. This old world has changed . . . . A test [?] Bring it on! [swg]

Okay, boyz - catch ya later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:27 AM
Okay here's an Encore for early this day. I didn't have anything pikes wise however trhe PCC cars are very modellable in all scales really with Bowser, Bachman, Brass,Corgi and IHP all making kits or ready to run versions in many scales even MTH does O scale ones. Well off to work time, see everyone tonight. BTW Tom loved seeing BK's loco pictures again thankx

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy




Classic Juice #8 The PCC


The PCC car. The final of what I think were the major three tactics / car designs brought out to keep the riding public on the street railways, as opposed to busses or cars.

The PCC or Presidents Conference Committee cars were designed by a committee of the 21largest streetcar companies of North America { Toronto , Philly . Clebveland , KC , St Louis , Chicago , and Detroit being amoung the designing presidents ) The company presidents got together in St Louis in 1934 to brainstorm and come up with a car design to compete with burgeoining compition from cars and busses also to modernize and maintain passenger levels in the final stages of the great depression.


They wated to go with a car that could operate as a one man vehicle( coast saving) most older designs had been so converted at this point) utilizing the revolutionary Pay as you pass ( the farebox ) idea started by Peter Witt in the late teens. They also wanted a lighter weight, faster car ( the older wood and steel cars Witt's nearside's etc had heavy framing and were slow and in some designs rough riding ) which would be comfortable and warm and appealing to modern people.

The cars ended up with a light weight unibidy design which as was envogue at the time streamlined with leather,padded upolstry in single an double seat sets the length of the car. Efficient electric in floor heating and a very quick 0 to 50 mph start up which would leave auto's and cars weighting in a dead start. These were the frist stret cars that could actually maintain a constant quick speed with which they could keep up with traffic. The cars were first put into production at the St Louis car company with the first units rolling off the assembly line in 1936. Pullman standard annd CC&F ( Canadain Car & Foundry of Montreal ) soon had licence to build the design as well. The first CC&F units rolled off the assembly line for the TTC in 1938. Our museum has air electric # 4000 the TTC'S original Candain prototype car. ( still operable as well )



The first batches of the cars had a definate art deco design very curvy and gracefull. They are also known as the airelectric PCC's meaning that the doors and brakes were air powered with the traction power and heaters being electric. In 1944 PS and St Louis car began building the all electric version's which featured as the name suggests all door brake and traction power being electric ( thus simplifying maintenance ) The later all electrics could be mu'd for train service on busy routes. Shaker heights in Cleveland Bloor and St clair in Toronto are two that come imediatly to mind.

The PCC's certainly had staying power they were manufactured from 1936 straight through to 1951. many external changes ocured to the designs over the production spans. A few double ended cars, larger bus type windows, ommision of standee windows, and roof ventilation options, etc etc.

Close to 6000 units were produce for the major Us and Canadian cities as well as several European city systems, in France , Belgium and Holland. The TTC even sold older airelectric cars to Alexandria and Cairo i Egypt. Several Us cities also sold off theiir cars to Turkey or other cities as they discontinued service or replaced with newer LRV's.

At one point in 1965 the TTC webt all PCC sysrem wide with 400 cars they purchased new and the additional cars they bought used a refurbised from US cities finally topping out at 775 cars on the system. Today most PCC's are in musuems however San Fransisco's street railway runs several lines with just PCC cars bought mostly from Toronto & other cities as well. One thing with theirs are that they maintain the cars with their classic donner paintjobs so on San Fran you can see Baltimore,detroit ,Cleveland . PE just about everyone's liveries plying the streets still doing what they do best. Quick efficient point "A" to point "B" oublic transit.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:16 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
first Posted on page 321

Here's something from our friend LoveDomes Lars for Toy 'n Model Trains Day!


QUOTE: Posted by LoveDomes Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:41:26

Good Morning Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar! . . . . .

Now, to my submission. It is amazing just how much “reality” is crammed into articles written under the guise of “toy trains” and model railroading. Check this one out for not only the fascination with Lionel trains but to glean some factual info regarding the real-life prototypes.


The following submission is from:



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LIONEL DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES


Unlike most real railroads, Lionel was slow to embrace diesel locomotives. Prior to World War II, the only examples Lionel produced were the power units for the “M10000” streamliner and “Zephyr” replicas. All this chanted in 1948 when Lionel introduced its model of the F3 locomotive. In unusual arrangement, the tooling costs for the new model were shared jointly by General Motors (parent company of EMD - the Electro Motive Division, builders of the actual F3), Lionel, and the New York Central and Santa Fe railroads.

The new diesel model was a sales hit, especially the Santa Fe. In its heyday, 125 of the gleaming red and silver units were produced each hour. This popularity paved the way for a succession of other locomotive models and paint schemes – some quite realistic, others purely fictitious. Reproduction and forgeries of many of the Lionel F-3s are rampant, and the listings below will hopefully help in distinguishing actual Lionel production from fakes.

Most real “diesel” locomotives are actually diesel-electric. The diesel engine runs at a steady speed, turning a generator. The current produced is then fed to large motors, called traction motors, which are mounted in the locomotive’s trucks.

American Locomotive Company (ALCO) was a longtime supplier of steam locomotives and was not about to let an upstart like General Motors get the upper hand. Initially teaming with General Electric, ALCO produced a broad range of models for different needs. Its model FA (Freight-A unit) was the equal of the EMD F3, and was about the same size in real life. Lionel, however, chose to offer its FA replica as O27 item, and it was substantially downsized from scale. Because the FA was the only ALCO diesel Lionel duplicated, many collectors use the name ALCO interchangeably with the model name FA.

Other GM-built locomotives Lionel chose to duplicate were the NW-2 switcher and GP7 General Purpose diesels. Lionel also listed GP9 diesel models in its catalog, but in actuality these were merely replicas of GP7 diesels with dynamic brake housings. On a real locomotive dynamic braking is achieved by using the locomotive’s traction motors as generators when going downhill or slowing the train. The current produced is then dissipated through windings, generating heat, which is why the large housing and blower are required. Its purpose is to lessen the wear on the train’s service brakes.

Longtime heavy-machinery builder Fairbanks-Morse had perfected an opposed-piston engine prior to WWII. During the war, hundreds of these were supplied for use in submarines and other Navy ships. Its high horsepower-to-weight ratio and compact size made it a natural for adaptation as a locomotive power plant, and F-M entered the locomotive market. The H24-66 (2,400 horsepower, two six-wheel trucks) “Train Master” locomotives were substantially more powerful than any other diesels on the market at the time. IT is not surprising that Lionel produced a model of these powerhouses. As with ALCO products, Lionel duplicated only one of the many models Fairbanks-Morse offered, resulting in collectors using the terms “Train Master,” F-M, and Fairbanks-Morse interchangeably.

Lionel introduced a new style switcher to its product line in 1956 with the 44-ton GE switcher. Lionel’s version was not an accurate model because it was grossly oversized. Actual 44-ton switchers were created to doge a stipulation in a 1937 agreement with the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen. That agreement specified that a fireman would be required on any locomotive weighing 90,000 lbs or more. At 44 tons, the little GE was just under the limit.

The F3 and ALCO models were of a style of locomotive sometimes referred to as “covered wagons.” This name came from the shape of the round-topped full-width car body of the locomotives. Lionel’s power units were all replicas of what was known as an “A” unit. A real “A” unit had the locomotive cab, with windshield and engineers controls near one end. Other units, known as “B” units, were produced by ALCO, EMD, and other builders. These locomotives lacked the cab and engineer positions, and were controlled by an engineer in the adjacent A unit. This type of arrangement is known as a multiple unit lash up and an infinite number of locomotives, both A and B units, could be connected and controlled this way. From the real railroad’s perspective, the advantage of the B unit was its lower cost because of the lack of expensive controls and cab fittings. Further, locomotive builders often used letters to designate various models, such as E, F, GP, H, FT, FA, etc.

To add to this alphabet soup, Lionel created its own terminology for their diesel replicas. Power units had the suffix P added to the catalog number, dummy A units had the suffix T (for trailer), and B units – all of which were dummy – were assigned the suffix C, for center. Thus an A-B-A lashup of 2343 F3s would consist of a 2343P-2343C-2343T.


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If you missed my previous submission on Lionel Steam locomotives it is on page 309, 19 April 2006


Until the next time!

Lars


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:11 AM
Good morning gents, I'll join Ted with a number three and some of that diesel distillate coffee that Boris is soooo proud of [:O][xx(]

In defence I had prepared that B&O piece for the original B&O theme day motnhs ago but due to the unforseens of the time I wasn't able to post it then. Mind you it has just given me more stuff to encore in the times when we are down to a scantier crew than the attire Ted described Boris wearing [alien] Not a pretty sight even in print Ted [tdn][:O]. However Boris will be Boris, perhaps Cindy will teach him some civilized mannors while your gone ( I know don't count on it )

Tom I'm supprised that you aren't taking the mascot with you, you afterall are going to his home turf. I know that length of travel isn't good for animals and some airlines and railways won't allow it anymore anyway. Still the fun you two could have up in the Arctic. Decaf sir until you are away, you need to be rested for all those flight s 'n' train and whatever else it is that you have in yiour itinerary book ( there will be a test when you get back. administered by the "Schoolmarms" H&H ) Won't that be fun [:O]

Ted I couldn't aggree with you more on the wonderfull paint schemes the B&O used, well right up until that "Sunburst" scheme it was forgettable but thankfully for you came after your time frame. I had thought of running a post on their FA /FB fleet one of the larger and more long lasting ones from the heyday of first gen cab units. I may run it later on in the summer when more can appreciate it.


Well time for another round of coffee and danishes Boris hit it. not my coffee you fool[sigh]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:06 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
first Posted on page 309

Here's something from our friend BudKarr BK for Toy 'n Model Trains Day!

QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 13:33:09

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled! . . . . .

A bit of European hobby photos for the bar on this Pike Perspectives afternoon:


Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]


I will now enjoy a Southern Comfort on the rocks and a glass of white wine for my lady![tup]


Enjoy the weekend, Gentlemen!


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high mountain country!


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
Good Morning!

A couple of customers this fine day - nice to see ya Al 'n Ted! [tup]

B4 I forget, check out this URL for info regarding the loss of those veteran's records( up to 26.5 million) http://www.va.gov/

It's a must read for any U.S. veteran and my advice not to overreact on this - let the authorities determine the precise extent of the loss and impact, rather than operate on speculation. Also, credit report checks may be done online for free and there's always the option of freezing one's new credit authority. NOW is the time to drop a LETTER (not Email )to your Congressional representatives and senators - let them know how outraged you are over this and that GOVERNMENT has responsibility to you - safeguarding YOUR personal and private information is just one. Just my [2c]

I'm going to continue on with the ENCOREs . . . as recommended by the guy who chose to submit new stuff! [%-)] Elmer you wouldn't have done that to us, now would you [?] [swg]

Regarding B&O it had a terrific livery in the two-tone blue and the herald was a "keeper" in all respects! [tup] I traveled from NYC to Santa Ana, California aboard one of their sleeper-coaches (don't know what the correct name was) - where the seats folded flat and could be used for sleeping. Was with the Boy Scouts on a Jamboree - and it was a blast. Left NYC for WashDC - St. Louis - KCity - Coloroado Springs - Santa Fe - Grand Canyon & Santa Ana. Returned via SFran - Salt Lake City - Yellowstone - Cheyenne - Chicago - NYC. That was in 1953 - and I do recall the car was the two blue combo.

Okay - have some things to attend to, so we'll see how this day progresses! [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:20 AM
And a very good Wednesday morning to our nucleus of the Spring cleaning crew at "Our" Place. Tom, a big howdy and 10 "atta boys" on the fine B & O Encores plus.[tup] May I partake of a # 3 and a "lead sinker" on the side, kind Sir? Oh yes, the same accolades on the B & O go to Al, Doug, Mike, and Rob.

As you know B & O is a Road of choice for my modest HO modeling efforts. I particularly like the conservative yet regal livery of that Line and their loco roster of steam and diesel holds its' own with any major roads. Every ROW has one or more "show stopping" scenic sites and for the B & O, surely the Harper's Ferry "tunnel bridge" over the Potomac is its' Zenith. At a LHS in Glen Burnind, Md., the owner was a "dyed in the wool" B & O aficionado, he imformed me of the variations of that Line's changes in livery through the years up until the 1950's. That is when the "time line" for my layout expires. There were subtle but important changes regarding the transition from light gray roofs and passenger car trucks to black and losing the 2 tone Navy blue inside banner to the one shade of Royal blue only. There are other less notable cosmetic changes with no specific bearing on "time," e.g. full width diaghrams between smooth and fluted side cars, et al. I don't wi***o get "bogged down" in hair splitting pedantry but to a "hard core" B & O modeler; it is important. As Rob pointed out, the distinctive freight roof line countours (Conestoga wagon) were a "signature" feature as well. Oh yes, the B & O Museum in Baltimore is a "must see" as much for the outside static views of steam locos as the now refurbished inside displays. While you are "at it," the Trolly Musem near Penn Station is a treasure trove also.

Sorry I'm tardy with this input but I had one hullava scare yesterday over something most of you have read in the papers. It seems a V.A. employee's lap top was stolen from his home (right, WHY at home???) with something like 4 million Veteran's records in storage..[:O] I went to "records" here locally in quest of more details thus throwing my schedule askew.

It is a great testament to the enthusiasm of our members that even with our "front line" spreading ever thinner, continuity and our M.O. has not dinimished drastically.[tup]
Hopefully, I can remain "in touch" with everyone throughout the summer come "rain or shine." This shouldn't be a problem, lest "Mother Nature" wreaks havoc with "the best made plans of mice and men." Boris, is that you? Still wearing the "Old Glory" toga, Maple Leaf loin cloth (Fig leaf) and desert sandals, eh? Well, change back to cook whites pronto and give with the bell, okay? GADFREY DANIEL...not in that order ya fool![:(!] Happy rails to all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:18 AM
G'day!

Thanx Al!! Looking forward to receiving it . . . [tup]

Now, here's an ENCORE! Part II of my 2005 Canadian Rail Journey . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo
Posted: 18 May 2005, 14:25:29
Canadian Rail Journey, Part II (initially Posted on page 13)

On Sunday, May 8th (Mother’s Day and VE Day) I set out on my solo round trip from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Ottawa, Ontario via Montreal, Quebec. Arriving at VIA Rail’s Halifax Station in a torrential downpour, the line up for Easterly Class sleepers had just begun.

I noticed a rather large group of people all wearing name tags and my first thought was, “Oh no, a tourist group!” Experiences from past journeys have not all been that pleasant when encountering some of these organized rail trips and I hope this would be different. It was.

It didn’t take long for me to discern the pronunciation of certain words that only people who reside in the St. Louis, MO, USA area can appreciate. The group turned out to be comprised of people from my community and those adjacent to it. The tour director had been my three children’s math teacher in high school and before I realized it, it was “old home week” at the Halifax Station. This particular fellow and I have traveled aboard the same trains, but never as part of his group. He does a good job at ensuring that all goes well, without the intrusiveness experienced with other groups.

On this day, Train #15, the all BUDD consist of 11 cars (1 baggage car, 2 coaches, one Skyline dome car, one dining car, 5 Chateau series sleepers and the Evangeline Park Car (observation dome with 2 lounges and 4 bedrooms) awaited us. Heading up the train were two F40PH’s, numbered 6441 and 6405 respectively. The train was booked full, including the coaches. There was talk of adding another coach at Moncton, NB, however, that didn’t occur as one wasn’t available.

The rain had been falling since Saturday morning and this was monsoon-like. Heading northward towards Truro, the water on either side of the right-of-way was running fast and at times appeared to be very, very close to the roadbed. Sitting in the Park Car dome, the vantage point was sufficient enough to determine the impact of the storm on the country side. Several crossings had police cars blocking them, lights flashing, probably because of roadways under water.

By the time the train wound its way through the great scenery between Truro and Amherst (last stop in Nova Scotia) the rain began to let up. Our arrival in Moncton was only long enough for me to dash out into the rain, take some photo’s and get back aboard for the continuation of the journey. One of my new-found friends from a community not far from where I live, accompanied me and we got more than a few chuckles from the employees all huddled beneath this or that wondering who these “Yay hoos” were with their cameras! Been there, done that before and will undoubtedly do it again! With a refueled train at the ready, the remainder of the trip was enjoyable – as always.

The dining car was jammed for the evening meal – at least a 15 minute wait for a table. Good to see, in that many of my previous trips witnessed near empty situations, even though the trains were rather full. Somehow this all didn’t equate – fewer menu selections, higher prices equals greater demand? Huh? Another delightful meal, some great dinner table chit chat over a couple of Keith’s Pale Ale, then back to the dome. Ahhhhhhh.

Couldn’t handle much more beyond Campbellton, so it was time to hit the sack. I had a single (Roomette) on this journey in the Chateau Brule bedroom car adjacent to the Evangeline Park observation dome car. This single was an “upper,” in that the step down could be a ‘killer’ if one forgot it was there! Happens …. Amazing how every bit of space is wisely planned for ……… a good night’s sleep interrupted only by my curiousness to take a look through the wide window now and then. Some snow on the ground between western New Brunswick and eastern Quebec.

Morning on the “Ocean” began very early for me. I arose at 4 AM – and decided to sit in the Evangeline Park’s dome until our stop at Charny station. While this stop has existed for decades, the feature stop for the “Ocean” was at a place on the south bank of the St. Lawrence Seaway, directly across from Quebec City called Levis. When on the eastbound, the train sat for about 20 minutes, which gave the passengers an incredible view of the ramparts and lights of Quebec City – just wonderful. The westbound got in a bit early (as with Charny), so most times I slept through that ….. About five years ago, the tracks were sold and removed for Condominiums (or so the story goes) and the Levis station faded into history. The ferry connection between Levis and Quebec City lost much of its charm insofar as passenger train travelers were concerned.

At Charny on the westbound, the train backs in, whereas it is the opposite heading east. Took a few minutes to breath in the chilly morning air – chat a bit with crew and just enjoy the beginning of yet another great morning with VIA Rail.

I must say that those continental breakfasts in the Bullet Lounge of the Park Car was sorely missed on this day. I’m a “pill taker” in my advancing age and without something of substance to go with them, the experience can be rather unpleasant. Fortunately, “Joanne,” our attendant, noticed my discomfort and immediately provided me with a few packages of cookies to go with the complimentary juices, coffee, tea and hot chocolate in the Park Car. She’s a “sweetheart” for sure – an “old timer” from our traveling days aboard the “Atlantic,” which used to run between Montreal and Halifax, but took a more southerly route through Maine. A story for another day …….

We arrived in Montreal about 15 minutes early – 8 AM – and I quickly located a place for breakfast within Montreal’s Central Station. Two eggs, sausages, toast and coffee all for $5 (Cdn) – not bad. What a shame that VIA Rail’s decision makers have no clue regarding breakfast aboard the westbound “Ocean.” The Chef is there – the food is there – the attendants are there and the only thing served is the continental breakfast. Pity.

My Ottawa train departed at 10 AM as I settled into my window seat aboard a VIA Rail LRC coach. For such a short journey, I decided against VIA1 service – much more costly. The train makeup consisted of 4 LRC cars – 1 VIA1 and 3 coaches powered by a single Genesis P42 locomotive. Just love the color scheme (livery).

The hour and 35 minutes flew by and before I realized it – there we were, pulling into the station. Ottawa’s VIA Rail station is a beautifully appointed structure – very modern, airy and clean. Bus and taxi service to downtown is readily available and frequent. I took bus #95 to downtown and off I trudged to the newly opened and dedicated War Museum.

The War Museum is located rather far from where the bus driver left me off. Hmmmmmmm, was there a message there? Anyway, I enjoyed the exercise – snapped a bunch of photo’s along the way of the Parliament buildings, Supreme Court and so on. The weather was outstanding – blue skies and temperatures in the mid-70’s (F). Lots of joggers – lots of jiggles and lots to look at! Ahhhhhhhh, young man on the lose in Ottawa! Well, at least mentally!

Arriving at the War Museum about 45 minutes after my bus departure – really – I was taken in by the new structure and those entering and departing it. The day before, VE Day, Ottawa hosted a terrific remembrance for the veterans and many were still around. I made a point of introducing myself to several and I’ll tell you, many misty eyes all ‘round for sure. I digress a bit: During WWII my father was a U.S. Merchant Marine mate and several of his convoys used to make up at Halifax. There was a special bond between those embarked on those voyages – some only made it one way – some didn’t complete the trips – and the lucky ones are still around to talk about it. Yes, a very significant experience for me.…….

To be continued ……….


See y’all later!

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:06 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a Coffee and Crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Tom You are absolutely right about the copy. I am ordering some additional ink today and soon as it arrives will get busy and copy it for you. I guess I have just been lazy lately getting to used to laying around. Can't wait to get back to work.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:40 AM
Good Early Morning!

A touch of insomnia - woke up and it seems like the day has begun! [%-)]

What was so good about yesterday's efforts were those multiple Posts by the guys - and they were spread throughout the day. That's the way to keep us "up on the Forum!" [tup]

Rob Unplanned getaways are the absolute greatest . . . we're hoping to do the same this summer - unless the temps are oppressive. <ugh>

Winding down as the departure date for Alaska approaches - maybe that's what's on my mind. Hmmmmmm. Must've checked the itinerary a dozen times - still the same! <grin> Had hoped to make the getaway for a longer period of time - perhaps a month - but given our responsibility to Juneau "the wonder Husky" we couldnt do that to him. As it is he's gonna have his "nose out of joint" (go ahead and steal that one, trolleyboy!) with the time away scheduled.

I got through all of those URLs, Mike and must say that you surely know how to keep us all focused . . . nice work, Sir! [tup]

Yes - in case there's anyone out there who didn't pick up on it - yesterday was "THEME day" for the B&O - and believe it or not - there's MORE in the archives! Just ran out of time . . .

Al I'm looking forward to your work regardng the RDC book. Some weeks past you had mentioned that you were going to copy a rather expensive RDC book for me. Did you [?] I believe you had planned to take it to the Rendezvous.

Speaking of Rendezvous are mine the only Pix to be Posted [?]

I'm hoping all is well with Lars and his family - no news is good news. He had told me that his wife insisted that he stay off the computer while away, but it wouldn't surprise me that while visiting with relatives, he'll find a way to 'sneak a Post' or Email . . .

Seems a bit strange around here without coalminer3 CM3 in his morning time slot, eh[?] He should be back with us tomorrow or Friday . . . .

And so . . . Where's Nick [?]

By now, our buddy Wolfman Pete shudda had more than a few Bathams at his favorite hometown pub in Rugby. Another guy sorely missed at the bar. It's not all play for him, as he's got quite a bit of work ahead in getting his house and affairs in order . . . But not to worry, there will be steel wheels on steel rails fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

Hope someone is watching these Summaries & B'day Bash notices. This Saturday is West Coast S Dave's celebration - NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) and I hope a few guys can muster up at least one Post each . . . I'll be away for that period (2 to 6 PM (Central).

Haven't heard a word from jlampke John regarding his Bash for June 3rd. So, if he doesn't pick a time 'n date - let's not forget to at least wish him a [bday]. I'll be in Fairbanks then! [tup]

Sorry to have to say this, but that box car at the IRC looks sad. Doug you need to break out the paint and get a move on! <geesh> At least get the herald put on it . . . [swg]

Don't know if anyone picked up on that URL of the B&O RDC in the unique livery. Looked great, in spite of it not being reflective of the actual paint scheme used. Really different and something the RR should have come up with. [tup]

Finally, Cindy will be tending bar during the days and Leon in the evenings during my absence. Boris will open up the joint at 6 AM and take care of the breakfasts . . . [:O]

Okay boyz - gonna try it again!

Later! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:44 AM

ENCORE! Courtesy: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Mid-week once again! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]


Daily Wisdom


It’s the absent who are judged guilty.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
ENCORE: Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O) -
Arrives Tuesday!



* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Toy & Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SATURDAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
Scheduled for NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) – 3 to 7 PM (Eastern)


MONDAY, May 29th is U.S. Memorial Day!



MVP Award Winners



April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] This bass player thinks he's a dog, so he calls to talk to a psychiatrist. "Doc, you gotta help me," he says over the phone. "I have this problem, I think I'm a dog. I walk around on all fours, I chase cars, and I pee on the carpet."
"That does sound like a problem," says the doctor. "Come and and see me, I'd like to get you on the couch."
"But I'm not allowed on the couch." [:I]


[:I] Matt's dad picked him up from school to take him to a dental appointment. Knowing the parts for the school play were supposed to be posted today, he asked his son if he got a part. Matt enthusiastically announced that he'd gotten a part. "I play a man who's been married for twenty years!", he said, cheerfully.
"That's great, son. Keep up the good work! Before you know it, they'll give you a speaking part!" [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre


NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, May 21st thru May 27th: The Pink Panther (1964) starring: Peter Sellers, David Niven & Capucine –and- The Odd Couple (1968) starring: Jack Lemon & Walter Mathau. SHORT: Pop Goes the Easel (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 01:10:55 (338) Tuesday’s Info & 10-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 01:28:25 (338) ENCORE: RR from Yesteryear: B&O

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 23 May 2006, 06:04:09 (338) Comments & CTC is coming

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 07:30:27 (339) Comments & THEME: B&O streamlined sleepers

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 08:33:39 (339) THEME: Fallen Flag – B&O

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 10:36:53 (339) THEME: B&O Strata-Dome Ad

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 12:43:28 (339) Inclusive Post

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 13:08:09 (339) THEME: Classic Diesels #25 early B&O E’s

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 14:36:17 (339) THEME: B&O Feature Trains Ad

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 15:36:01 (339) THEME: B&O streamlined dome cars

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:08:49 (339) THEME: B&O Ad

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:21:50 (339) B’day Watch List

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:28:50 (339) THEME: B&O streamlined dining & lounge cars

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:19:59 (339) Comments & THEME: B&O streamlined head end cars

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:29:14 (339) THEME: B&O narratives & URLs

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:51:25 (339) Acknowledgments & Comments

(17) barndad Doug Posted: 23 May 2006, 20:12:38 (339) Comments & THEME Pix, etc.

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 23:41:47 (339) Inclusive Post



That’s it![tup][;)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:41 PM
Good evening Leon I'll have a Keith's and here's a couple bucks for a round for those left standing.Oh and a sack of toonies for the herr wurlitzer, gotta keep him fed and well oiled as well. I think I need to hear the Canadian Railroad Trillogy a couple times this evening.[tup][:D]

Tom a good day of info i must say, I see that you've puilled out all the B&O encore stops [tup] good stuff sir. our departure for 48 was unplanned , but sometimes those suprise trips are better than the one's whick are planned for months ahead of time. if only the weather had been better [sign] This weekends supposed to be a beaut oh well, there will be another couple of long weeekends this summer to enjoy. [;)]

Al Holy smokes you must have melted a keyboard or two today. and an RDC book too you say [:O][bow] we are not worthy [:D]

Mike Some fine pictures as always, glad to see you pop in again [tup] That was as good a picture of 50 as I have seen [tup] It wasn't much to look at was it, but it did the job fer sure fer sure [tup]

Doug That boxcar though rusty really is the quintisential B&O piece of rolling stock. they seem to have had a real love affair with the wagon top cars, boxes, reefers and even cabooses. Looks like it just needsa good coat of mineral brown and it would be ready to go, not all bad for a car of it's vintage. i see that you left out Tom's speacial throne / stool in that photo. LOL [swg]


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:12 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have a bottlomless draught, and buy a round for the house. Wow! Not a bad day at all. Amazing material from Alon the B&O to be sure! And Mike your pix links are top notch as usual. I only saw about 10 (only) of them, but they were superb. Great stuff from Rob and Tom as well.

There are some railroads at IRM that just aren't well represented, and the B&O is one. Here's the only car we have there.

Baltimore & Ohio 374065
Builder: Baltimore & Ohio
Year Built: 1925
Length: 44ft 9in
Width: 9ft 10in
Height: 14ft 6in
Weight: 44000 lbs
Brakes: AB
Trucks: Barber/Bettendorf LM
Description: Wagon Top Box Car class M-15N
Photo by Bob Katella


I checked my archives and don't see that I've photographed this car, but as you can see, it's outside, and it's rusting.

I'll try to get back with the last of that CTC article.

Hey ... remember when the reserved seats looked like this?
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:51 PM
G'day Gents!

A surprise here at the “Hit ‘n Miss Bar ‘n Grill” as the Posts supporting the B&O Theme kept rolling in – especially from passengerfan Al (aka: 20 Fingers!) [swg] [tup]

An absolutely amazing work that wanswheel Mike (aka: URLMeisterMonster provided us! Indeed a shame that our patrons are so scattered and sparse. Surely worth an ENCORE! one fine day. [tup]

After a hiatus from the bar of well over 48 hours, the return of trolleyboy with two fine submissions. [tup]

Also, THANX to Al ‘n Rob for Posting over on “my other Thread!” [tup]

barndad Doug visited us early this AM and although he provided an ‘original’ – it was well within the parameters of our THEME for the DAY! [tup]

So, Gents, we’ve done more with less on this day – appreciated and perhaps a bit to much to expect throughout this drought of ours. Thanx to all! [tup]

Thanx to all who purchased rounds! [tup]

This is my 8th Post of the day . . . . that should just about do it for me.


REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:29 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a ROUND FOR THE HOUSE.

Great to see Doug, Al and Rob participating in Tom's splendid B&O encore day.

Hope you enjoy the photos at these links. For a grey view of the locomotive #50 that Rob posted about, see the Abraham Lincoln.

Start off with a picture and page from the Enoch Pratt Library in Baltimore:

Viaduct Over Patapsco River http://www.epfl.net/exhibits/catorprints/images/large/cator049.jpg
"Built in 1834, this famous bridge at Relay is still a part of the main line of the road. It was called the Thomas viaduct after Philip E. Thomas, first president of the Baltimore and Ohio and was designed by Benjamin H. Latrobe, son and namesake of the architect of the Cathedral and of the Capitol at Washington. For years the bridge was referred to as "Latrobe's folly", because the design was considered impractical and engineers declared it would not stand under its own weight.
"To Latrobe", says the author of the "Story of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad," is due credit for the fashioning of this remarkable stone structure, a curving viaduct seven hundred feet long, of eight elliptical arches, each sixty feet in width and about sixty-five feet above the level of the stream. . .Over a structure originally designed for the passage of six-ton locomotives with their small trains, there pass today, 300-ton locomotives, with the heaviest of steel trains, both freight and passenger. And this, with no alterations nor repairs to the original bridge, save, from time to time, the common upkeep of pointing its masonry fabric. Mr. Latrobe builded better than he knew".

The quote (above) from the 1933 description of this print is from The Story of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad by Edward Hungerford. The text reads:

To Benjamin H. Latrobe is due credit for the fashioning of this remarkable stone structure, a curving viaduct seven hundred feet long, of eight elliptical arches, each sixty feet in width and about sixty-five feet above the level of the stream. The care, the thought, and the labor that went into the fabrication of this unusual bridge must have been very great. But that it was well built, as well as planned, the evidence of time itself has gone to show. Over a structure originally designed for the passage of six-ton locomotives, with their small trains, there pass today, 300-ton locomotives, with the heaviest of steel trains, both freight and passenger. And this, with no alterations nor repairs to the original bridge, save, from time to time, the common upkeep of pointing its masonry fabric. Mr. Latrobe builded better than he knew. He builded not alone for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad of that day, but for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad of many a day to come--to at least a full hundred years, and no one knows how far beyond.

Postcards from B& O Historical Society
http://borhs.org/images/photo-2.jpg

http://borhs.org/images/photo-3.jpg

Amtrak at Harper's Ferry
http://www.pbase.com/dsktc/image/51869678.jpg enlarge to 'full screen'

Streamlined steam
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/B&O/dfrr4006_baltimore_&_ohio_rr_amblersberg_wv_1948.jpg

Rust never sleeps
http://www.mdrails.com/images/capitol_limited.jpg

Budd RDC
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200510062034428943.jpg&byrail%3A2%3ABaltimore_and_Ohio

Chicago, 1970
http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/albums/userpics/10089/B%26OCNW.jpg

B&O ticket office in Denver, Colorado, 1913
http://photoswest.org/photos/00074001/00074063.jpg

B&O station in Sykesville, Maryland
photo attributed to William Henry Jackson
http://photoswest.org/photos/20104001/20104034.jpg

Photographs by Otto Perry (1894-1970)

B&O station in Shoals, Indiana
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002624.jpg

2 coaches
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002617.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002616.jpg

Indianapolis, November 4, 1927
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002569.jpg

Bound Brook, N.J., October 18, 1930.
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002557.jpg

Berwyn, Md., August 10, 1932
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002585.jpg

Washington, D.C., August 10, 1932. The Capitol Limited
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002590.jpg

St. Mary's, WV, August 17, 1933
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002566.jpg

A Century of Progress 1933-34
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002589.jpg

"Mennon" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002604.jpg

"York" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002614.jpg

"Tom Thumb" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002612.jpg

"Thomas Jefferson" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002611.jpg

Cleveland exhibition, August 8, 1936.
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002615.jpg

"William Galloway"
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002613.jpg

New York World's Fair 1939-40:
"Thatcher Perkins" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002606.jpg

"Ross Winans" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002607.jpg and http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002608.jpg

"Atlantic" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002610.jpg

Washington, D.C., August 3, 1939. The Royal Blue
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002597.jpg

Chicago, August 10, 1939
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002550.jpg

Chicago, August 11, 1939 The Capitol Limited
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002599.jpg

Chicago, July 25, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002595.jpg

Chicago, July 25, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002594.jpg

St. Louis, August 16, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002596.jpg

St. Louis, August 16, 1940. The National Limited
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002598.jpg

Keyser, WV, July 12, 1953
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002620.jpg
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:19 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Tom Just thought you would like to know that I began a book on RDC's today. I just felt the three books I already have did not do the subject justice so will put a fourth book out their. Either that or this forced vacation time is causing me to lose my mind.

Soon as i get a chapter finished I will send it along to you on your private line to peruse.

I am beginning to feel like a caged animal being tied down like I am at the present.

It has even given me time to go to the State Attorney General about something my city has done. Don't think they are going to be very happy. To Bad!

One more B&O post and that's it for me today.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined Head End Cars
By Al

The B&O received two identical eight car streamlined trains in 1935 from American Car & Foundry. The only difference in the two trains was the materials used in their construction. The train delivered to the B&O to operate as the ROYAL BLUE between Washington and Jersey City was constructed of Aluminum with only the car center sills of steel. The new ROYAL BLUE entered service June 24, 1935 round trip daily.
The second train made of lightweight mild steel called Cor-Ten entered service July 1, 1935 on B&O subsidiary Chicago and Alton between Chicago and St. Louis round trip daily as the ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Each consist was identical and the first car in each train was a Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car. Car 5750 was the Aluminum car operating in the ROYAL BLUE and 5751 was the steel car operating in the ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
Both Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 5750 and 5751 were rebuilt in 1936 in B&O Mt. Clare shops with no change of numbers. The 5750 being rebuilt to a Baggage 44-Revenue seat Coach in July 1936. The 5751 being rebuilt to a Baggage Buffet 24-Revenue seat Coach in November of that year.
Beginning July 26, 1937 the ROYAL BLUE consist began operating round trip daily on the Chicago & Alton as the ABRAHAM LINCOLN between Chicago and St. Louis. The original ABRAHAM LINCOLN was renamed the ANN RUTLEDGE on that same date. The C&A became the first railroad in the lucrative Chicago – St. Louis market to offer twice-daily round trip streamliner service.
During April 1942 the C&A rebuilt the 5750 into a straight 60-revenue seat coach and renumbered the car 5807.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE and ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

B&O
ROYAL BLUE

5750

C&A
ABRAHAM LINCOLN

5751

The B&O railroads next two streamlined head end cars were rebuilt in 1937 from heavyweights by the B&O Mt. Clare shops. The first of these was in the streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE replacement train for the lightweight ROYAL BLUE transferred to the Alton. The streamlined head end car was 1432 a Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combination. After streamlining and remodeling the interior the car was numbered 1300. This car and the heavyweight streamlined ROYAL BLUE entered service April 25, 1937.
The second streamlined head end car of 1937 was part of a new streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist that began service December 9, 1937. The B&O then renamed the train set inaugurated in April 1937 the COLUMBIAN. This gave New York – Washington passenger’s two daily streamliners to choose from. The heavyweight 1434 another Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combination was rebuilt for this ROYAL BLUE and was renumbered 1301.
The B&O remodeled the 1300 into a Baggage 12 crew Dormitory 16-revenue seat Coach Combination in time for the COLUMBIAN becoming a Jersey City – Chicago train under the name COLUMBIAN. Since both the COLUMBIAN and ROYAL BLUE consists were needed for this extended service using the COLUMBIAN name. The B&O due to the sudden outbreak of the war instead of converting the streamlined 1301 into the other Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 16-revenue seat Coach combination converted heavyweight 1433 into a Baggage 12 crew dormitory 16 seat Coach Combination and it remained 1432 and was never streamlined. The new COLUMBIANS began service December 19, 1941 just days after the U.S. entered WW II.
Prior to the COLUMBIAN in 1938 the B&O began operating the All-Pullman CAPITOL LIMITED as a streamlined train between Jersey City and Chicago. Since this was a Pullman train the heavyweight cars for the two consists were streamlined by Pullman themselves except for the two B&O owned heavyweight 36 seat Dining cars that were streamlined in the Mt. Clare shops of the B&O. Each of the two heavyweight streamlined train sets had a single head end car a Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge car. The two cars were named CAPITOL GARDEN and CAPITOL HILL.
The last prewar cars rebuilt and streamlined were the cars for the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O train between New York City and St. Louis. This train served Baltimore and Washington as well. Four sets of equipment were needed for the NATIONAL LIMITED in order to provide daily service in both directions. The B&O rebuilt and streamlined four 1400 series heavyweight Baggage-Coaches into Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge Cars for the NATIONAL LIMITED and renumbered them with 1300 series numbers as follows in June 1940.

1302 originally B&O 1417

1303 originally B&O 1419

1304 originally B&O 1423

1305 originally B&O 1425

One additional car of this type was completed in December 1941 for the COLUMBIAN numbered 1306. This car was converted from the 1300 originally rebuilt for the ROYAL BLUE.

1306 ex B&O 1300 originally B&O 1432

On January 19, 1947 the B&O inaugurated a pair of five car streamliners powered by streamlined steam locomotives between Washington and Cincinnati named the CINCINNATIAN. The cars for the new trains were completely streamlined and were built on the frames of old heavyweight cars. The two head end cars were 1307 EDEN PARK and 1308 HYDE PARK. These cars were built with Baggage Crew Dayroom Buffet and 24 seat Lounge. The train was never a success on this run and did not make a profit for the B&O until the two train sets were transferred to the Detroit-Cincinnati run.
The only new head end cars purchased by the B&O after WW II were a pair of Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 24 seat Coffee Shop cars delivered as part of a sixteen car order from Pullman Standard to equip the two consists of the postwar COLUMBIANS.

BAGGAGE 12 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 24 SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Pullman Standard April 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1350 HARPERS FERRY

1351 SILVER SPRING

The B&O purchased six Rail Diesel cars from the Budd Company in 1956 that were for a new daily Pittsburgh – Washington – Baltimore – Philadelphia service named the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS. Although four of these cars were regular RDC-1 all coach models the other two were special RDC-2 models. One RDC-2 and two RDC-1’s comprised each train set with the RDC-2 leading. What made these RDC-2’s different from standard RDC-2’s was the fact they were equipped with Kitchens and 24 passenger dining rooms. These cars contained a Baggage Compartment followed by a kitchen 24-seat dining room and then a 24-seat coach seating area. The two B&O cars were numbered 1960 and 1961.

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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:28 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Continuing our theme for the day on the B&O.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
(B&O)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

Baltimore & Ohio owned few lightweight streamlined dining and lounge cars, even though an early pioneer in streamlining with the early experimental “Wind splitter” early in the century.
The first two lightweight streamlined dining cars were the two built for the B&O ROYAL BLUE and B&O subsidiary C&A ABRAHAM LINCOLN. The former operated between Jersey City and Washington, D.C. the latter between St. Louis and Chicago. Both trains were eight cars as delivered by American Car & Foundry in 1935. The choice of building materials of the two trains varied as well. The ABRAHAM LINCOLN consist delivered in April 1935 was built of Cor-Ten steel, and entered service on the Alton July 1, 1935. The ROYAL BLUE consist delivered in early June 1935 was constructed of Aluminum with a Cor-Ten steel center frame. Due to the thickness of the aluminum the cars from the two streamliners weighed approximately the same. Later aluminum construction would be lighter in weight than comparable steel cars although it is generally felt the lightest and safest construction was Budd stainless steel shot-welded together.
The ROYAL BLUE entered scheduled service June 24, 1935.
Each of the two streamliners as built featured a single lunch counter –dining car. The cars served as lounge cars during non-meal hours.
The ROYAL BLUE car was numbered 5700 and seated ten at the lunch counter and 32 in the dining area at eight tables for four. The car was trainlined as the fifth car in the eight-car train.
The ABRAHAM LINCOLN car was numbered 5701 and seating was identical to the 5700. The 5701 was trainlined in the same position as the 5700.
The ROYAL BLUE which had added one additional coach in January 1937 was repainted in C&A colors and was renamed the ABRAHAM LINCOLN July 26, 1937. The earlier ABRAHAM LINCOLN was renamed the ANN RUTLEDGE at that time. This gave the ALTON twice-daily round trip daily streamliner service between Chicago and St. Louis.
Sometime between the time they first entered service in 1935 and 1940 the two Lunch counter – dining cars gave up one lunch counter seat as the seat in question was difficult to get in and out of if passengers were seated in the seats on either side.
In 1946 both lunch counter – dining cars were rebuilt to 40-seat dining cars losing the lunch counters at that time.
The cars from these two early streamliners were not retired until 1969.

10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 32-SEAT DINING CAR American Car & Foundry April 1935 (Built for and assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN later ANN RUTLEDGE)

5701

10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 32-SEAT DINING CAR American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE later transferred to Alton and assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

5700

Two 64-seat coaches one from the original ROYAL BLUE number 5800 and one from the original ABRAHAM LINCOLN consist number 5803 were rebuilt to Buffet lounge cars. The 5800 was rebuilt to a Buffet 38-seat Lounge car in July 1935 with no change of car number. Two years later in April 1937 B&O Mt. Clair shops rebuilt 5803 to a Buffet 38-seat lounge car again with no change of car number. Both cars received three additional lounge seats in 1946.
The original ABRAHAM LINCOLN Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car 5751 was rebuilt in 1936 to a Baggage 36-seat coach with no change of number. In 1941 car 5751 was again shopped emerging as a Baggage Bar 8-seat lounge 24-seat lounge car. The car underwent a further remodeling in 1946 to a Baggage Buffet 24-seat Lounge car.
A re-equipped ROYAL BLUE was introduced April 25, 1937 replacing the lightweight streamlined train that entered service June 24, 1935. The B&O Mt. Clare shops streamlined the eight-car heavyweight train. The train offered three feature cars a buffet 52-seat coach 3065 rebuilt from coach 5326. This car had a buffet at one end that passengers could purchase items from and return to their seat to consume. The 3065 operated as the fifth car in the eight-car train.
Car 1075 was a six seat Lunch Counter 36-seat dining car rebuilt from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1051. The 1075 operated as the sixth-car in the ROYAL BLUE train.
The eighth- car was a buffet 34-seat lounge observation rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5325. The Solarium type observation was a popular place for passengers traveling between Jersey City and Washington. This consist was renamed the COLUMBIAN December 9, 1937 when another streamlined heavyweight train was introduced as the new ROYAL BLUE.
The new eight-car streamlined train operated opposite the COLUMBIAN when one train was southbound the other was northbound.
The fifth, sixth and eighth cars were feature cars of this ROYAL BLUE consist.
The fifth-car 3066 was a 7-seat lunch counter 38-seat coach rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5295.
The sixth car in this ROYAL BLUE consist was a 44-seat dining car 1076 rebuilt from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1054.
The eighth cars was a buffet 34-seat lounge observation 3301 rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5298. This car was identical to the 3300 then transferred to the COLUMBIAN.
Pullman Standard streamlined 22 heavyweight cars for the two consists of the CAPITOL LIMITED necessary for daily service between Washington and Chicago. The train did carry through sleeping cars beyond its eastern terminal Washington to Jersey City, but the train was assembled and disassembled at Washington in both directions. Besides the 22-cars streamlined by Pullman Standard for the CAPITOL LIMITED the B&O Mt. Clare shops streamlined two matching 36-seat dining cars one for each trains consists. The two dining cars were 1061 MARGARET BRENT and 1062 VIRGINIA DARE.
The four feature cars streamlined by Pullman Standard were the two Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat Lounge cars CAPITOL GARDEN and CAPITOL HILL and the two 1-Drawing Room 3 Compartment Buffet 18-seat Lounge 8-seat Sun Room Observations CAPITOL ARMS and CAPITOL CITY.
The other major route operated by the B&O was the Washington – St. Louis route. The B&O NATIONAL LIMITED was there premier train on this route. In 1940 the B&O streamlined sixteen heavyweight cars and Pullman Standard streamlined twenty-three cars for this service this gave the B&O three complete train sets with a spare Baggage-12-Crew Dormitory-Buffet-18-seat Lounge and one spare 28-seat Dining 12-seat Cocktail Lounge car. The four Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat lounge cars were 1302-1305 rebuilt from heavyweight Baggage-coaches 1417,1419,1423 and 1425 respectively.
The four 28-seat dining 12-seat Cocktail lounge cars were 1077 – 1080 rebuilt from 36-seat dining cars 1036 – 1040 respectively.
The three Sleeper-Buffet Lounge sunroom observations rebuilt by Pullman Standard were CAPITOL ESCORT, PALM ISLANDS and PALM KEY. These cars featured 1 Drawing Room 3 Compartments Buffet 18 seat Lounge 8-seat Sun Room Observations.
On December 19, 1941 just days after the United States entered WW II the B&O extended the COLUMBIAN route from its Jersey City – Washington routing to Jersey City – Chicago as an all coach companion train to the all Pullman CAPITOL LIMITED. As two consists were necessary for this service a number of cars were streamlined or remodeled for this service. The 1300 was remodeled to a Baggage 12-crew dormitory Buffet 18-seat Lounge car ad renumbered 1306. The other COLUMBIAN consist operated with the spare NATIONAL LIMITED car of this type 1302.
Two new 47-seat dining cars were assigned to the two consists of the COLUMBIAN, one was remodeled from 1075 from the April 1937 ROYAL BLUE consist and renumbered 1082, the 1081 was rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1050.
Buffet Observation 3300 was renumbered 3303 and the 3302 was rebuilt and remodeled from heavyweight coach 5234.
The B&O built two fully streamlined five-car trains using the chassis, running gear and framing from heavyweight coaches and inaugurated the new CINCINNATIAN’S January 19, 1947 between Baltimore and Cincinnati daily in each direction. Each five car consist operated with two feature cars. The first car in each consist was a Baggage Crew Dayroom Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car. The two cars of this type built for the new streamliners were 1307 EDEN PARK and 1308 HYDE PARK.
The fifth and last car in each consist was a Kitchen Pantry 23-sat dining room 21-seat lounge observation. The observations were beautiful round end type and the entire consists looked to be factory built so well built were the Mt. Clare shop cars. The two Observations were numbered and named 3304 PEEBLES CORNER and 3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE.
Two all-new eight-car COLUMBIAN train sets entered service in May 1949. The new trains were built by Pullman Standard and became the first dome trains to operate between Baltimore-Washington and Chicago thanks to the clearances enjoyed by the B&O along their route between these cities. Not counting the Strata-Dome Coach in each consist there was three feature cars in each consist.
The first car in each consist was a Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 16-seat Coffee Shop car.

BAGGAGE 12-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1350 HARPERS FERRY

1351SILVER SPRING

The fifth car in each new COLUMBIAN consist was a 38-seat Dining car with seating arranged at triangular tables.

38-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1090 AKRON

1091 PITTSBURGH

The last car in each consist was a Tavern Lounge Observation seating 36 in the tavern followed by a bar and a 28-seat lounge observation.

36-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR 28-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

3315 CHICAGO

3316 WASHINGTON

The remaining B&O feature cars were all acquired used from other railroads with the exception of two special RDC-2s. The first of these was a pair of 5-Double Bedroom Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Observations purchased from the C&O in February 1951. These were Blunt end observation cars and were assigned to the AMBASSADOR operating between Baltimore/Washington and Detroit.

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

Two identical cars were delivered by the C&O to the B&O in March 1951 and these two after repainting were assigned to bring up the markers of the CAPITOL LIMITED.

7500 NAPPANEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

The B&O purchased three sleeper buffet lounge observations from the NYC in January 1956. The NYC in the prewar SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED between New York and St. Louis operated these three cars. They became surplus to the NYC needs by 1955 and had seen very little use that year. Each of these cars featured 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedrooms Buffet 25-seat Lounge Observation. The cars originally built in July 1939 were refurbished and repainted before entering B&O service. The B&O assigned the cars to their NATIONAL LIMITEDS between Baltimore and St. Louis. An interesting note is that the B&O retained the same names for the cars they had operated with while in NYC service as they were named for rivers between found along both railroads routes.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

The B&O purchased two special Rail Diesel cars that were delivered by Budd in October 1956. They probably most resembled an RDC- 3 than the RDC-2 designation they carried. The forward end of these two cars had a Baggage Compartment followed by a Kitchen that and then a 24 seat dining room with six booths for four. To the rear of the dining area was a coach compartment seating 24 and two restrooms. These two cars numbered 1960 and 1961 were initially operated with two RDC-1s each 1908-1911 delivered at the same time to make three car trains they operated as the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh daily in each direction.

SPECIAL RDC – 2 BAGGAGE KITCHEN 24-SEAT DINING 24-SEAT COACHS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS)

1960, 1961

Two twin-unit sets of Crew Dormitory Kitchen – Dining room cars were purchased from the NYC in February 1957 and after repainting were assigned to the B&O finest the CAPITOL LIMITEDS. The NYC had assigned these two sets of cars to the DETROITER between New York and Detroit. They were originally built for the C&O and sold to the NYC almost immediately after completion by Pullman Standard.

16-CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN
CARS

1093 ex NYC 472 originally C&O 1956 CALDWELL’S KITCHEN

1095 ex NYC 473 originally C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

52-SEAT DINING ROOM 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS

1092 ex NYC 409 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE”S TAVERN

1095 ex NYC 410 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:21 PM
[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(2nd rev. May 20th):



March 5th (Nick – 46)
March 13th (Doug – 50)
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Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:08 PM
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first Posted on page 211

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.



Your Holiday begins with ”all aboard”

* When your Diesel-Electric Baltimore & Ohio luxury train glides smoothly from the station, you’ll know your holiday has really started. Mile after mile, you’ll enjoy the thrill of modern rail travel . . . the extra measure of pleasure for which B&O is so well-known.

* Outstanding with “holidayers” is the friendly courtesy of B&O people. In big and little services, alike, you’ll constantly enjoy this warm hospitality . . . for courtesy is traditional on the B&O.

* And, when you visit B&O diners, you’re in for a real “holiday treat.” For, B&O is famous for its good food . . . prepared just the way you like it . . . at prices that are reasonable.

* Then, there’s B&O’s record for “on-time” dependability. Not only does B&O strive to make your travel time thoroughly enjoyable but it also makes a special point of seeing that you arrive at your destination on schedule!

* Yes, when you start your holiday with Baltimore & Ohio, the extra measure of pleasure given by such features as friendly courtesy, good food and “on-time” dependability will be proof why more and more travelers say:

NOW . . . AS ALWAYS – The B&O is the Way to Go!

BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:36 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Looks like Rob, you and I on this page 339.

Baltimore
&
Ohio
(B&O)
Streamlined Dome Cars
by Al

The B&O purchased a pair of Pullman Standard 8-car coach streamliners following WWII for Baltimore-Chicago service. The two trains were delivered to the B&O in May 1949 and entered service as the COLUMBIANS May 5, 1949. The fourth car in each consist of the COLUMBIAN was a Strata-dome coach.
All cars in the COLUMBIAN trains were numbered and named the two Strata-dome coaches were 5550 HIGH DOME and 5551 SKY DOME. These cars seated 42 on the main level of the cars 18 forward of the dome and 24 aft of the dome. Beneath the dome was a pair of comfortable lounges for passengers to relax in; one of these lounges seated 6 the other 11. The domes were only 15’ 3” above the rails giving these two Strata-domes the distinction of being the lowest height short domes operated in North America. Upstairs in the dome of the two Pullman Standard built Strata-domes were 24 seats arranged in six pairs on either side of the center aisle. The backs of the seats were lower than those found in any other dome cars. One feature found on the B&O Strata-Domes not found on others was on the forward bulkhead of the car above the aisle was located a speedometer, clock, altimeter and barometer.
In December 1950 the B&O purchased three Strata-dome sleeping cars from the C&O and after updating these virtually new cars that had never entered service for their original owner assigned them to the CAPITOL LIMITED and SHENANDOAH. These Budd built cars dated to August 1956. After purchase by the B&O before entering scheduled service the cars made a brief visit to Pullman for upgrading for sleeping car service. At the short end of the car forward of the dome on the main level was 5 roomettes. On the main level to the rear of the dome were 3 drawing rooms. Beneath the dome was a single bedroom, car attendants quarters and conductors office Upstairs the dome seated the usual 24.
The CAPITOL LIMITED received a pair of these Strata-domes one for each train set. The SHENANDOAH with a single car provided every other day Strata-dome service between Chicago and Washington. The B&O numbered and named each of the cars as follows:

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1852

The B&0 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME to the SHENANDOAH, while 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED.
In 1952 all five domes were shopped and after having lights mounted on the right side roofs forward of the domes became the first and only dome cars that could light up the countryside at night. These floodlights were nothing more than locomotive headlights with each putting out 250 watts. They were mounted on the roofs at angles of 60, 70, 80 and 85 degrees from the cars centerline. A breaker was mounted ahead of the lights to protect them from hanging icicles in tunnels and at stations having overhead platforms. The lights were used outside of the major towns and turned off when passing through heavily populated areas.
The three Strata-dome sleeping cars were leased to the Atlantic Coast Line between December 1965 and April 1966. After return from the ACL the cars were leased to the Canadian National from May 1966 to March 1968. The CN assigned the three cars to service in the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Edmonton and Vancouver.
After return from the CN in March 1968 the B&O assigned the cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED until July 1968 when the three Strata-dome cars were once again leased out. This time they were leased to the Seaboard Coast Line who purchased the three domes in July 1969. During this period they operated in the FLORIDA SPECIAL during the winter season and SILVER METEOR at other times. In both trains they operated between Richmond and Miami. Once more the cars were sold to Hamburg Industries in 1970 who after refurbishing the cars leased them back to the SCL.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:36 PM
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first Posted on page 127

More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956



B&O DIESEL-ELECTRIC FEATURE TRAINS

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East

NATIONAL LIMITED – DIPLOMAT – METROPOLITAN
Between St. Louis, Cincinnati, Washington and the East

THE AMBASSADOR
Between Detroit, Washington and Baltimore

THE ROYAL BLUE
Between Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York

STRATA-DOME CARS*
On 3 Fine Trains

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Chicago – Akron – Pittsburgh – Washington
Baltimore – Wilmington – Philadelphia – New York

(* In service between Chicago and Washington)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:08 PM
Okay I manged to find a small piece of info on early E units on the B&O so fittingky I will post it today and then encore it at a later date as well. This will be the last new info from me until we are back to Our Places fighting stength.

i] CLASSIC DIESELS #25 EARLY B&O PASSENGER "E's"[/i]


In June 1935 just beforre EMC completed their new errecting shop in La Grange GE completed the bodies of boxcab diesels 511 and 512. A twin truck twin engine diesel locomotive which was extensivley tested by the various railways as a tester for passenger power that was not articulated ( Zepher sets ) These were powered by a pair of Winton 12 cylinder 900 hp model 201A's giving the twin unit set 1800hp. This two motor in the same carbody design was the forerunner of the E series locomotives.

In August of 1935 B&O pyurcahsed one of these box units which they numbered "50"This was the first sperate stand alone diesel locomotive to be purhased and placed into service. ( First of many )

Once the La Grange plant opened in May of 1936 EMC soon began working on new stand alone passenger locomotive designs to build along side the end cab switchers under production at their new plant.Althouhg B&O was satisfied with number 50,it's appearance ( that of a large boxcar ) left something to be desired when leading one of the companies premier passenger trains. The other concern was that of the engineer sitting in the very fron tof this flat fronted unit doing 100mph down the track ! They were accustomed to the boiler of a steam engine separating them from anything "wayward" at a grade crossing.The result was EMC's EA locomotive still powered with the same twin 900hp motors but streamilned and with a top mounted cab ( the fore runner of all the E series basic looks ) .Althouhg B&O wanted this same stand alone locomotive ( nothing articulated likie with the Zephers) they also wanted multiple unit capability which was similar to the original boxcab demonstraters 511 and 512 .The result was ENC designing the EA and its cabless running mate the EB. This resulted in B&O ordering six EA'a and six EB's in 1937.

The streamlined bodies greatly improved the high speed tracking of the new engines (unlike the boxcab )To help even out the weight of steam heat equuipmnet and improve the ride A1A trucks were designed and put undernieth the new EA/EB locomotives.

So the E series was born and B&O had the pioneering engines to compete with Pennsey and NYC for the high speed New York to Washington trains, as the 3600 hpof an EA/EBset could move any train at competitive speeds against the best the NYC or Pennsey electrics on the NE corridor.

Rob

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