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[siberianmo]

G'day!

All's well that end's well . . . [tup]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man now has the bar 'til closing!

[bday] to West Coast S Dave!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Dave, I can't find a 9051. Maybe 6051?

SP E9A #6051
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=49244
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=234587
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=234586
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=17133

Also, some F7A's
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=216813
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=300057
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=152348
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=152347
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=152349

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Al and Wanswheel, pull up stool and have some pretzels and a cold one on me, stay away from the bean dip however, it's made from Boris's secret recipe, can't be too cautious can we?

For my SP contribution, perhaps wanswheel can find a URL for rarest of rare of paint schemes, if not for a photo that was published twenty years ago it would have remained a urban legend.

E7s assigned to the Sunset limited orginally wore Scarlet over Silver throughout to match the pooled Rock Island equiptment. Economies and reality soon dictated a standard paint scheme for passenger units, with the Daylight colors being adopted as standard. SP repainted all passenger cab units as required based upon normal maintaince cycles, this resulted in a riot of colors for several years. One E7 in particular must have been dearly needed for service, it was partially repainted to Daylight from the cab doors forward, but retained Sunset limited colors for the remainder of the unit. This unit operated for several months in this never official scheme, before the paint shop saw fit to complete the transformation to full daylight.

Other experiments centered on E9 9051, it was the only E unit repainted to Black Widow, from a cost control standpoint it added a fifth color, scarlet, not exactly what the road had in mind in their quest for economy.

Next try on the 9051 was the infamous Halloween colors applied in a bell shape across the nose, officials thought the scheme too somber and depressing, the next try was the first example of the later wing pattern in Haloween Orange with Scarlet sill stripes and all lettering done in 15' white letters, this meet with more disdane then the first attempt.

The third time was the charm, the winged nose pattern was retained along with the 15' lettering, but this time the wing was done in scarlet and the overall body Dark Lark Grey, For some unexplained reasons, SP repainted 9051 back into Daylight, perhaps to permit shops to dispose of soon to be obsolete paint and stencils , a typical practice with SP. If it was simple yet dignified on 9051, what about other power? SP selected F7A 5771 which was readily available pending paint after a wreck rebuild. The new colors were applied and a company photographer captured the unit in it's new colors as the shop forces supplied the specifications and forward the results to headquarters who approved the new design while issuing directives to discontinue the application of Daylight, Black Widow, Tiger Stripes and numerous unofficial colors displayed by the vast switcher fleet.

The Alco PA's were the frist to be display the new standard, all work was done at the Oakland Shops were they were undergoing extensive upgrades at the time and SP took the oppertunity to showcase the new scheme to it's employees and passengers as a symbol of progress while maintaing cost.

Hood units known to have been included in the Halloween experiments resuted in at least one of each model as folllows: Trainmaster, GP9 and SD9 that displayed the Halloween colors in various configurations mandated by the body types during this period. Some geeps sprouted full wings as displayed during the second Halloween trials with 9051.

There was a reduced Black Widow scheme, never recgonized as a true paint scheme, it resulted due to time and need for return said unit to duty constraints after major repairs that warranted a repaint , paint shop forces simply deleted the wings and sill stripes as a time saving measure. Many SD7s/9s wore these temporary silver/black only colors for years so on that basis should be counted among unusual paint schemes


Appreciate all who frequented here today, if only in spirit..

Dave




Grey

[wanswheel]

[bday] Dave and thanks for all your enlightening posts. Here's a few links I hope you enjoy:

4407 at Swanston
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/sp/SP4407_00016042.jpg

3038 at San Jose
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/sp/SP3038_00015575.jpg

Cab Forward at Glendale
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4014_southern_pacific_cab_forward_glendale_ca_1939.jpg

4-10-2
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/sp/04_SP%205021.jpg

Getting high on Mt. Lowe
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012662.jpg

Stay ahead of the Curve
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012725.jpg

There's an Echo in here
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012683.jpg

Morning Daylight at Parejo River
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4026_southern_pacific_morning_daylight_pajaro_river_cal.jpg

Daylight at smoky Vacaville
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/sp/SP4449a%20Vacaville%20CA,%20Mar86.jpg

Mike

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tomand the rest of the gang and Happy Birthday Dave. Time for a CR and a round for the house

Since you are the lover of SP thought I would throw this in.

SOUTHERN
PACIFIC
Streamlined Observations
by Al

The Southern Pacific owned 24 lightweight streamlined Observations and subsidiary Texas and New Orleans owned a pair.
The first two lightweight streamlined observations 2950 and 2951 were delivered by Pullman Standard to the Southern Pacific in February 1937for the March 21, 1937 inaugural of all new streamlined 12 car DAYLIGHTS between San Francisco and Los Angeles replacing heavyweight trains of the same name. The new trains operated by way of the Coast Route as their predecessors had often called one of the most scenic routes in the world. Some railroad historians claim these to be among the most beautiful streamliners ever introduced. And whose to argue they were really quite stunning in there Daylight Red and Orange color scheme with Aluminum lettering and separation stripes. The roof of the cars was black, as were the trucks and underbodies. Interiors of the 2950 and 2951 from front to rounded rear contained a Men's restroom on left, women's restroom on right. A table with bench seating for four was next one on either side of the center aisle across from each other. This was followed with a desk and chair on the left side only. Next were twelve Parlor seats on swivel bases on the right side and eleven parlor seats on the left side for a total of 23. There was a lounge with seating for ten in the rounded Observation end. An interesting feature of these cars was their lack of a boarding vestibule at the end. Parlor car patrons boarding these cars did so through the adjoining straight parlor car that operated with its vestibule to the rear to serve both parlor cars passengers.
These two cars not only served in the original DAYLIGHT but later operated in the NOON DAYLIGHTS and SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHTS.
In July 1954 Observation 2950 was rebuilt by the Southern Pacific's Sacramento shops into the roads first 3/4-length dome lounge car and renumbered 3600.
The 2951 was shopped during the 1960's and received smooth stainless steel sides and was repainted with just the letter board red. This car lasted until 1971 before being scrapped.

2 CARD TABLES WITH SEATING FOR FOUR EACH DESK WITH CHAIR 23 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Round) Pullman Standard February 1937 (Built for and assigned to DAYLIGHTS)

2950, 2951

The SP received all new DAYLIGHTS from Pullman Standard in January 1940 and the pair of Observations for these fourteen car trains were numbered 2952 and 2953. The interiors of these cars were identical to the earlier 2950 and 2951 except they were equipped with Baggage Elevators and had one less revenue parlor seat 22 instead of 23. These two cars operated in the DAYLIGHTS, NOON DAYLIGHTS, and SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHTS during their careers.
Both Parlor Observations 2952 and 2953 were rebuilt to 72 revenue seat coaches in August 1963 by Southern Pacific Sacramento shops and received new numbers 2952 and 2953 at that time.

2 CARD TABLES WITH BOOTH SEATING FOR FOUR EACH DESK WITH CHAIR 22 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed)
Pullman Standard January 1940 (Built for and assigned to MORNING DAYLIGHTS)

2952, 2953

Pullman Standard delivered two new lightweight streamlined Sleeper Lounge Observations to the SP in April 1941 for assignment to the new streamlined LARKS between San Francisco - Oakland and Los Angeles. These cars were smooth sided cars and were painted two tone gray with aluminum separation stripes.
The two Observations operated between Oakland and Los Angeles being set out by the northbound LARK at San Jose and continuing to Oakland as the OAKLAND LARK along with a sleeping car. Southbound the OAKLAND LARK'S two cars were awaiting the southbound LARK from San Francisco in San Jose and were added to the rear of the combined train for the trip to Los Angeles.
Interiors of the new Observations featured 2 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room a Buffet and 21 seat Lounge with 10 seat Lounge Observation. The Buffet was large enough to serve breakfast on the northbound LARK between San Jose and Oakland. Likewise the southbound LARK carried certain dinner menu items in the rear buffet for those wishing to eat between Oakland and San Jose. Each lightweight streamlined LARK was a sixteen-car train as inaugurated July 10, 1941. The two Observations numbered 400 and 401 had rather brief careers on the SP being destroyed by wrecks on the Coast Line.
Observation 400 was destroyed by a rear end collision involving a following train on the night of September 19, 1941, at the time the car was less than six months old. The damage to the 400 resulted in its being cut up for scrap. Pullman assigned the AMERICAN MILEMASTER built in 1939 to a nearly identical floor plan as a replacement for the wrecked 400. In December 1941 AMERICAN MILEMASTER lost its name and was numbered second 400. The second 400 became SP owned following WW II and in November 1949 was renumbered 9500. In May 1956 9500 was rebuilt by Pullman Shops Richmond into a Blunt ended Observation with no change of interior. Observation 9500 operated on the rear of the final run of the OAKLAND LARK on May 1, 1960. Southern Pacific retired the 9500 in 1965 and sold the car to EMD where it became Locomotive test car ET-800. The car was later sold to NdeM for Business car use where it remains as this is written.
The 401 only lasted 20 months in service before it too was destroyed in a similar accident being rear ended by a following train south of San Luis Obispo December 3, 1942 and was retired and scrapped as a result of this accident. The 401 was replaced by Pullman Pool Car MUSKINGUM RIVER built in June 1940 to a nearly identical floor plan. The MUSKINGUM RIVER was numbered second 401 in April 1943. Following WW II the car became the property of SP and was renumbered 9501 in December 1949. The 9501 was shopped at Pullman Richmond in April 1956 and received a Blunt end at that time. The 9501 meant the same fate as its two predecessors being wrecked on Cuesta Grade the night of May 10, 1959. After evaluating the damage the 9501 was set aside and finally scrapped in December 1959.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard April 1941 Plan: 4082A Lot: 6644 (Built for and assigned to LARK)

400, 401

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard April 1939 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6597 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to LARK as wreck replacement for 400)

AMERICAN MILEMASTER second 400

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed) Pullman Standard June 1940 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6608 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool transferred to LARK as wreck replacement for 401)

MUSKINGUM RIVER second 401

The last prewar Observations were delivered by Pullman Standard to the SP in June 1941 for DAYLIGHT service numbers 2954 and 2955. These were the last fluted side observations from Pullman Standard for the SP. These two replaced 2952 and 2953 in MORNING DAYLIGHT service. The 2952 and 2953 then went to the NOON DAYLIGHT and 2950 and 2951 were transferred to the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHTS.
In July 1949 2954 and 2955 were transferred to the new SHASTA DAYLIGHTS providing parlor car service for that train. Before entering SHASTA DAYLIGHT service both cars were repainted with a broader window band to match the other cars in the SHASTA DAYLIGHT, which featured larger windows to view the 700 miles of scenery. The 2954 and 2955 were the only fluted sidecars in the new SHASTA DAYLIGHTS. Observation 2954 was retired and scrapped in 1971 after being transferred to the COAST DAYLIGHT after the SHASTA DAYLIGHT was discontinued.
The 2955 was dropped from the SHASTA DAYLIGHT when that train began tri-weekly operation and only one observation was necessary. The 2955 was rebuilt to a 72-seat coach in July 1963 by Sacramento shops and renumbered 2297.

2 CARD TABLES WITH BOOTH SEATING FOR FOUR EACH DESK WITH CHAIR 22 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed Pullman Standard January 1940 (Built for and assigned to MORNING DAYLIGHTS)

2954, 2955

The Southern Pacific received five 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard in June 1950 that had a blunt observation end for end of train service. These cars Blunt end had no windows facing the rear except for a small window located in the centered emergency escape door. No longer would the cars be fitted with a lounge for the first class passengers. Three of these cars were painted in UP streamliner colors of Yellow and Gray with red lettering and separation stripes for assignment to the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO trains 9040 - 9042. The other two cars 9043 and 9044 were painted in the two-tone gray OVERLAND colors for two of that trains consists. Later these two cars would be repainted in streamliner colors as well.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BLUNT END OBSERVATIONS (Blunt ended) Pullman Standard June 1950 Plan: 4140D Lot: 6874 (Built for and assigned to CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO - SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND)

9040 – 9044

Four identical 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Blunt end Observations except for paint were built at the same time by Pullman for assignment to the CASCADE and GOLDEN STATES. The two cars assigned to the new CASCADES were 9053 and 9054 painted in the two-tone gray scheme of SP overnight trains. The other two cars were painted with the upper halves of the cars painted Red and the lower part of the cars painted white. They were assigned names for GOLDEN STATE service GOLDEN DAWN and GOLDEN WAVE. The CRI&P provided the other three Observations to the GOLDEN STATE pool of cars. In August 1953 the two SP GOLDEN STATE Observations were assigned numbers by the SP losing their names at that time GOLDEN DAWN became 9055 and GOLDEN WAVE became 9056. All four of these cars were retired in 1971 with 9054 donated to the Pacific Coast Chapter of the NRHS.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BLUNT OBSERVATIONS (Blunt - ended) Pullman Standard Plan: 4140D Lot: 6874 (Built for CASCADES and GOLDEN STATE pool)

9053, 9054

GOLDEN DAWN (9055)

GOLDEN WAVE (9056)

The last five 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Blunt end Observations were delivered by Budd in July 1950 to the SP for assignment to the lightweight streamlined SUNSETS operating daily between New Orleans and Los Angeles. The new SUNSETS were fourteen car trains between Los Angeles and El Paso and twelve car trains between El Paso and New Orleans. The all Budd built consists carried a red-letter board with the rest of the cars being stainless steel. Eventually as DAYLIGHT cars and other SP cars were shopped they would be painted in this simple scheme. The five 10-6 Blunt end sleeper Observations were numbered 9025 - 9029. Al five were retired in 1971.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BLUNT OBSERVATIONS (Blunt Ended) Budd Company July 1950 Plan: 9522 Lot: 9678 - 040 (Built for and assigned to SUNSETS)

9025 - 9029




TEXAS
&
NEW ORLEANS

The T&NO a subsidiary of the SP purchased two lightweight stream-lined Observations with Kitchen Dining Lounge interiors for two eight car streamliners inaugurated as the SUNBEAMS between Dallas and Houston daily in each direction. The trains were painted in full DAYLIGHT colors and were something to behold racing across the farmlands of Texas between the states two largest cities. These two observations numbered 950 and 951 brought up the markers of the SUNBEAMS and when the service became twice daily round trips the morning train the all stops HUSTLER and the afternoon trains the non stop SUNBEAMS the two Observations brought up the markers of both trains.
The 950 remained on the T&NO until transferred to parent SP in 1955. It was then rebuilt by Sacramento shops in April 1955 into a 3/4-length dome lounge and assigned the number 3606.
The 951 was transferred to parent SP in November 1955 after the Houston - Dallas services ended and renumbered SP 2900 at that time. In January 1956 this car was rebuilt to a lounge Observations and retired in 1971.

KITCHEN 24 SEAT DINING 28 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed) Pullman Standard September 1937 (Built for and assigned to SUNBEAMS and later HUSTLERS)

950, 951

TTFN Al

[West Coast S]

For your enjoyment this encore saturday

QUOTE: Originally posted by West Coast S

The grandest inn on the Pacifc Electric was the Alpine Tavern & Inn, located atop Mt. Lowe, a jewel in the Pacific Electric crown. PE would disembark passengers at Ruby Canyon, above Pasadena for transfer to the 7.5 mile incline railway which was famous the world over for the trestle work and other engineering feats needed to traverse the rugged terrain. In the late 20s Thadius Lowe, owner and builder of the Inn & Tavern and driving force in the incline railway being completed, was forced to surrender his ownership to PE or face personal ruin caused by the effects of the depression. PE suffered through washouts and landsides on the incline caused by severe winter rains of 1931, the entire line was closed for over a year. PE regrouped and rebuilt, but already patronage had fallen off. Eventually fire would destroy a set of trestles near the summit, the Tavern & Inn was also destroyed around the same time in a second fire, known as the Pilot Peak blaze.

PE salavaged the rails and machinary , pulled the line to Ruby canyon and exited the canyon for good. In the ensuing decades fire and the effects of man man would
reduce all vestiges. The US Forest service, dynamited the power house and all surviving strucures in 1962, items too large to move, were simply bulldozed over the mountain side, the rails that PE was unable to salvage, were uncovered and also tossed over the side.

Despite the carnage done, A sucessfull legal effort by dedicated persons has garnered National Historic Preservation status for the entire former route. Considerable restoration of the line has been in progress by volunteers, The Forest Service and several counties for ther last several years, one can now hike to the Tavern & Inn location which is being reconstructed as funds permit on the orginal foundations that somehow avoided the dynamite. Will the Incline Railway be restored next? Portions of the grade have been cleared of brush and numerous landslides to date, beyond that, no one's talking.


Dave [8D]

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and all, I see Herr Tom is his usual eagle eyed self, exposing my creative calender keeping [:0] Truth be told, I forgot we have a weekend upon us!! See, i'm, already acting my new age[:D] Ok, I hereby command that Monday replace Sunday as "Rounds on me day at Our Place".

Tom, S-capades looks fantastic, Seems larger then the under construction photos..Motivation for me to get some work accomplished with my S projects as well.
You know what it takes to flip my lid, appreciate the SP encore and very considerate on this occasion, hip-hip-hurray for the man with the twinkle fingers[:o)]

Ok Theodorebear i'm wild with anticpation, who is this mysterious English entertainment, I suspected something British was going on when I spied Boris earlier this morning wearing a Union Jack as a diaper and a replica of the Queen's crown[:0] I do believe there are laws regarding defacing a soverign nations flag...assure me Boris has no other surprises, but one can never tell with that guy, he loves a good time.

Appears you have matters well in hand, appreciate your presence at today's events. Rumor has it that Tom and the Mentor Village Visitors Agency is covering the travel expenses in conjunction with today's English muscial guest so Tom can foster contacts to fulfill his long supressed American Idol craving!!!

Rob...As always, you are the source. It's a shame craftsmanship of that level will never be again, the Orange Empire group is one of the few i've witnessed that has the skills and personal to restore wooden interurbans to historical correctness. All the great interurban builders should be perserved and the knowledge and history shared with those have never known electric rail operations in the golden era. Appreciate the facts on other operators of Niles equiptment, for a local builder, they sure got around...

Tom, hope your'e having a good day.

Well, off to serve my master, just wanted to say G'day to you all, be back at noon.

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]
B’day Bash! begins at NOON (Pacific) – 3 PM (Eastern)

first Posted on page 158

QUOTE: PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #22

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.



Did you hear what the ‘49er said about the “City of San Francisco”

”WHAT A TRAIN, PARDNER! SHE’S THE FASTEST THING ON WHEELS BETWEEN CHICAGO AND THE GOLDEN GATE! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

Did you know that you can board a modern streamliner in Chicago and travedl at your ease the same route the ‘49ers struggled over in the Gold Rush? Well, you can. In the crack extra-fare ”City of San Francisco” for instance, or the ”Overland” that shows you California’s lovely High Sierra by day.

Until you’ve done this you’ve never really seen the West.

We’ve just issued a new folder we’re rather proud of, ”Planning Your Overland Route Trip.” Tells you all about accommodations on these great “name trains” (finest Pullman; economical Chair Car).

By the way, at San Francisco these streamliners connect with our famous ”Lark,” “Daylight” and “Starlight” south to Los Angeles, thence with other great S.P. streamliners eastward. Or with the new ”Cascade” and ”Shasta Daylight” northward, right past gorgeous 14,161 foot Mt. Shasta to the lovely Pacific Northwest.

Mail that coupon today for free folders.

”CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO” Chicago-San Francisco via Omaha, Ogden, Great Salt Lake, Reno, Oakland. 40 ½ hours westbound via CNW-UP-SP. Shown here with Golden Gate Bridge in the background.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS

That's IT for me . . . gotta run! [bday] Dave and many, many more! [tup]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]
B’day Bash! begins at NOON (Pacific) – 3 PM (Eastern)

first Posted on page 157

QUOTE: PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #21

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.



Did you hear what the Colonel said about the “Sunset Limited”

”WHAT A TRAIN, SUN! THE FLOWER OF NEW ORLEANS, THE BOAST OF TEXAS, THE SUNLIGHT OF ARIZONA, THE SENSATION OF HOLLYWOOD. ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We’re happy to say that thousands of Americans are finding our ”Sunset Limited” a new and charming way to go West.

We think that you, too, will enjoy this sensational new ”Streamlined Train With the Southern Accent.” Especially with that New Orleans stopover. Luxury Pullman or Chair Car. Extra fare.

Your connections at New Orleans from, or two, points like Chicago, St. Louis, Washington, New York, etc., are good and offer fine streamliners. (New Orleans is a gourmet’s and shopper’s delight as you know.)

The ”Sunset Limited” takes you in 42 delightful hours through the heart of Texas, Southern Arizona’s winter resort country, Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

There, you can connect with other great new S.P. streamliners, can return by another S.P. route. You see twice as much. The little map shows how.

Why not try it this winter? Or next summer? And meantime, why not let us send you our New Orleans folder, and full information about this new way to California?
Mail coupon below today

”SUNSET LIMITED” New Orleans-Los Angeles via Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs. Connects at New Orleans with streamliners to and from Chicago, New York, Washington, other Eastern points.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]
B’day Bash! begins at NOON (Pacific) – 3 PM (Eastern)

first Posted on page 156

QUOTE: PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #20

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.



Did you hear what the Cowboy said about the “Golden State”?

”WHAT A RIDE FER DUDES! SHE’S THE SMOOTHEST AND PURTIEST THING ON WHEELS FROM CHICAGO TO ARIZONA OR CALIFORNIA! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We think, you’ll enjoy our ”Golden State,” especially if you’re an experienced traveler. We have many friends who repeat, winter after winter, “chasing the sun Southwest” on this smooth, extra-fare S.P. & Rock Island streamliner. It’s convenient. Takes you via El Paso and Southern Arizona’s winter resorts to Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

She’s been re-streamlined, too, from stem to stern. We’ve issued a folder to celebrate the event and would like to send it to you. Helps you choose your accommodations, whether Pullman (Drawing rooms, Compartments, Bedrooms, Roomettes) or Chair Car (economical; Coffee Shop).

By the way, the ”Golden State” is extra fast, too – 44 ¼ pleasant hours, Chicago-Los Angeles or vice versa. Fine connecting streamliners. Perhaps you’d like to try another great S.P. route, going home. That way you see twice as much, usually for no extra rail fare. The little map shows how.

Why don’t you plan on the ”Golden State” for this winter or next summer? And meantime, let us send you that folder?

”GOLDEN STATE,” Chicago-Los Angeles, via El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs, 44 ¼ hours. Through Pullmans, Minneapolis and St. Louis to Los Angeles. Through Chair car, Minneapolis-Los Angeles. Connecting service to San Diego.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]
B’day Bash! begins at NOON (Pacific) – 3 PM (Eastern)

Some Pix "lifted" from Posts made by LoveDomes Lars . . . [tup]


SP #9401 12 bedroom sleeper (from: LA River RR)




SP Sunset Ltd Baggage Crew Dorm (from:LA River RR)




SP #3100 Baggage Crew Dorm (from: LA River RR)




SP #10608 Automat Cafe (from: LA River RR)




SP #2954 Parlor obs (from: LA RIver RR)




SP #3606 full length dome (from: LA River RRs)




Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday] B’day Bash! begins at NOON (Pacific) – 3 PM (Eastern)

Some Pix from my S-gauge "ceiling suspended" layout . . . .


Motive power of the S-Capades!



S-Capades! nearly done!



Break time on the S-Capades!



[red]S-Capades! nearly done!



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]

An ENCORE! from page 106

QUOTE: Southern Pacific (SP) :
(from: Classic American Railroads)



Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Mileage:

1950: 15,039 (including subsidiary St. Louis-Southwestern)
1955: 178,340 (including subsidiaries, SW, SPCSL, and D&RGW)

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,096

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars 77,401 - Passenger cars: 1,002

Principal lines as of 1950:

Los Angeles-San Francisco via San Jose
San Jose-Ogden, Utah
Davis, CA-Portland, OR, via Chemult and Eugene, OR
Eugene-Black Butte via Roseburg, OR
Sacramento-Burbank (LA) via Bakersfield
Lathrop-Martinez, CA
LA-New Orleans via Phoenix, AZ
El Paso, TX-Tucumcari, NM
Galveston-Dallas/Denison, TX via Houston and Hearne
Rosenburg-Brownsville, TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
Houston-Shreveport, LA
St. Louis-Dallas/Ft. Worth (SSW)
Memphis, TN-Brinkley, AR
Mt. Pleasant-Waco, TX (SSW)
Lewisville, AK-Shreveport, LA (SSW)

Principal added lines as of 1996:

Tucumcari-St. Louis via Kansas City
St. Louis-Chicago via Bloomington, IL
Kansas City-Chicago via Quincy, IL (trackage rights on BNSF)
Kansas City-Chicago via Ft. Madison, IA (trackage rights on BNSF)
Ogden-Pueblo, CO via Salt Lake City, UT and Salida, CO
Dotsero-Pueblo, CO via Grandby and Denver
Pueblo-Kansas City via Salinas, KS (trackage rights on UP)

Notable passenger trains:

Argonault (LA-New Orleans)
Cascade (Oakland-Portland)
City of San Francisco (Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW) – Milwaukee Road after 1955)
Coast Daylight (San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo; for a time also known as Morning Daylight)
Del Monte (San Francisco-Monterey, CA)
Golden State Limited (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Hustler (Houston-Dallas)
Imperial (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Lark (Oakland/San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo)
Owl (San Francisco-LA via Bakersfield)
Sacramento Daylight (Sacramento-LA via Bakersfield)
San Francisco Overland (Until Oct 1955, Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW; after 1955 Oakland-St. Louis joint with the Wabash Railroad)
San Joaquin Daylight (Oakland-LA via Bakersfield)
Shasta Daylight (Oakland-Portland)
Starlight (San Francisco-LA)
Sunbeam (Houston-Dallas)
Sunset Limited (Initially San Francisco-New Orleans via San Joaquin Valley; later cut back to LA-New Orleans).

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]B'day Bash begins at NOON (Pacific)


UNDER THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS PROPRIETOR of this CYBER BAR ‘n GRILL, I HEREBY DELCARE THIS DAY, West Coast S Dave Day! [C=:-)] LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL as we celebrate the Birthday of our FRIEND! [C=:-)]


Something appropriate for this day is to ENCORE! any and all Posts regarding the Southern Pacific and S gauge/scale trains!!


Here’s a starter from page 253. . . . .

QUOTE: Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Seven


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Southern Pacific Railroad


Reporting marks:
SP,SSW

Locale: Arizona, California, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Texas, and Utah

Dates of operation: 1865 – 1996

Track gauge:
4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) with some 3 ft (914 mm) gauge branches

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA


The Southern Pacific Railroad (AAR reporting mark SP) was an American railroad. The railroad was founded as a land holding company in 1865, forming part of the Central Pacific Railroad empire. The Southern Pacific's route miles has varied over the years but in 1929 the system showed 13,848 miles of track and in 1994 it had 8,991 miles of track. By 1900, the Southern Pacific Company had grown into a major railroad system that incorporated a lot of smaller companies, such as the Texas and New Orleans Railroad and Morgan's Louisiana and Texas Railroad, and that extended from New Orleans through Texas to El Paso, across New Mexico and through Tucson, Arizona, to Los Angeles, throughout most of California including San Francisco and Sacramento; it absorbed the Central Pacific Railroad extending eastward across Nevada to Ogden, Utah and had lines reaching north throughout and across Oregon to Portland.

On August 9, 1988, the Interstate Commerce Commission approved the purchase of the Southern Pacific by Rio Grande Industries, the company that controlled the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad. The Rio Grande officially took control of the Southern Pacific on October 13, 1988. After the purchase, the combined railroad kept the Southern Pacific name due to its brand recognition in the railroad industry and with customers of both constituent railroads.

The Southern Pacific was taken over by the Union Pacific Railroad in 1996 following years of financial problems.

The railroad is also noteworthy for being the defendant in the landmark 1886 United States Supreme Court case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad which is often interpreted as having established certain corporate rights under the Constitution of the United States.

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Timeline

• 1851: The oldest line to become a part of the Southern Pacific system, the Buffalo Bayou, Brazos and Colorado Railway begins construction between Houston, TX and Alleyton, TX.
• 1865: A group of businessmen in San Francisco, CA, led by Timothy Phelps, found the Southern Pacific Railroad to build a rail connection between San Francisco and San Diego, CA.
• September 25, 1868: The Big Four purchases the Southern Pacific.
• 1870: Southern Pacific and Central Pacific operations are merged.
• June 1873: The Southern Pacific builds its first locomotive at the railroad's Sacramento shops as CP's 2nd number 55, a 4-4-0.
• November 8, 1874: Southern Pacific tracks reach Bakersfield, CA and work begins on the Tehachapi Loop
• September 5, 1876: The first through train from San Francisco arrives in Los Angeles, CA after travelling over the newly completed Tehachapi Loop.
• 1877: Southern Pacific tracks from Los Angeles cross the Colorado River at Yuma, AZ.
• 1879: Southern Pacific engineers experiment with the first oil-fired locomotives.
• March 20, 1880: The first Southern Pacific train reaches Tucson, AZ.
• May 11 1880: The Mussel Slough Tragedy takes place in Hanford, CA, a dispute over property rights with SP.
• May 19, 1881: Southern Pacific tracks reach El Paso, TX.
• January 12, 1883: The second transcontinental railroad line is completed as the Southern Pacific tracks from Los Angeles meet the Galveston, Harrisburg and San Antonio Railway at the Pecos River. The golden spike is driven by Col. Tom Pierce, the GH&SA president, atop the Pecos River High Bridge
• March 17, 1884: The Southern Pacific is incorporated in Kentucky.
• February 17, 1885: The Southern Pacific and Central Pacific are combined under a holding company named the Southern Pacific Company.
• April 1, 1885: The Southern Pacific takes over all operation of the Central Pacific. Effectively, the CP no longer exists as a separate company.
• 1886: The first refrigerator cars on the Southern Pacific enter operation.
• 1886: Southern Pacific wins the landmark Supreme Court case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad which establishes equal rights under the law to corporations.
• 1898: Sunset magazine is founded as a promotional tool of the Southern Pacific.
• 1901: Frank Norris' novel, The Octopus: A California Story, a fictional retelling of the Mussel Slough Tragedy and the events leading up to it, is published.
• 1903: Southern Pacific gains 50% control of the Pacific Electric system in Los Angeles.
• March 8, 1904: SP opens the Lucin Cutoff across the Great Salt Lake, bypassing Promontory, UT for the railroad's mainline.
• March 20, 1904: SP's Coast Line is completed between Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, CA.
• April 18, 1906: The great 1906 San Francisco earthquake strikes, damaging the railroad's headquarters building and destroying the mansions of the now-deceased Big Four.
• 1906: SP and UP jointly form the Pacific Fruit Express (PFE) refrigerator car line.
• 1913: The Supreme Court of the United States orders the Union Pacific to sell all of its stock in the Southern Pacific.
• December 28, 1917: The federal government takes control of American railroads in preparation for World War I
• 1923: The Interstate Commerce Commission allows the SP's control of the Central Pacific to continue, ruling that the control is in the public's interest.
• 1932: The SP gains 87% control of the Cotton Belt Railroad.
• May 1939: UP, SP and Santa Fe passenger trains in Los Angeles are united into a single terminal as Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal is opened.
• 1947: The first diesels enter mainline operation on the SP.
• 1947: Southern Pacific is reincorporated in Delaware.
• 1951: Southern Pacific subsidiary Sud Pacifico de Mexico is sold to the Mexican government.
• 1952: A difficult year for the SP in California opens with the City of San Francisco train marooned for three days in heavy snow on Donner Pass; that summer, an earthquake hits the Tehachapi pass, closing the entire route over the Tehachapi Loop until repairs can be made.
• 1953: The first Trailer-On-Flat-Car (TOFC, or "piggyback") equipment enters service on the SP.
• 1957: The last steam locomotives in regular operation on the SP are retired; the railroad is now fully dieselized.
• 1965: Southern Pacific's bid for control of the Western Pacific is rejected by the ICC.
• 1967: SP opens the longest stretch of new railroad construction in a quarter century as the first trains roll over the Palmdale Cutoff through Cajon Pass.
• 1980: Now owning a 98.34% control of the Cotton Belt, the Southern Pacific extends the Cotton Belt from St. Louis to Santa Rosa, New Mexico through acquisition of part of the former Rock Island Railroad.

(copied per terms of GNU Free Document License)
SP 8033, a GE Dash 8-39B, leads a westbound train through Eola, Illinois (just east of Aurora), October 6, 1992.

• 1984: The Southern Pacific Company merges into Santa Fe Industries, parent of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway, to form Santa Fe Southern Pacific Corporation. When the Interstate Commerce Commission refuses permission for the planned merger of the railroad subsidiaries as the Southern Pacific Santa Fe Railroad SPSF shortens its name to Santa Fe Pacific Corporation and puts the SP railroad up for sale while retaining the non-rail assets of the Southern Pacific Company.
• October 13, 1988: Rio Grande Industries, parent of the Rio Grande Railroad, takes control of the Southern Pacific Railroad. The merged company retains the name "Southern Pacific" for all railroad operations.
• 1996: The Union Pacific finishes the acquisition that was effectively begun almost a century before with the purchase of the Southern Pacific. The merged company retains the name "Union Pacific" for all railroad operations.

Locomotive paint and appearance

(copied from public domain)

Like most railroads, the SP painted the majority of its steam locomotive fleet black during the 20th century, but after the 1930s the SP had a policy of painting the front of the locomotive's smokebox light silver (almost white in appearance), with graphite colored sides, for visibility.

Some express passenger steam locomotives bore the Daylight scheme, named after the trains they hauled, most of which had the word Daylight in the train name. This scheme, carried in full on the tender, consisted of a bright, almost vermilion red on the top and bottom thirds, with the center third being a bright orange. The parts were separated with thin white bands. Some of the color continued along the locomotive. The most famous Daylight-hauled trains were the Coast Daylight and the Sunset Limited.

Southern Pacific was famous for its cab-forward steam locomotives. These were essentially 2-8-8-4 locomotives set up to run in reverse, with the tender attached to the smokebox end of the locomotive. Southern Pacific used a number of snow sheds in mountain terrain, and locomotive crews nearly asphyxiated from smoke blowing back to the cab. After a number of engineers began running their engines in reverse (pushing the tender), Southern Pacific asked Baldwin Locomotive Works to produce cab-forward designs. No other North American railroad ordered cab-forward locomotives, which became a distinctive symbol of the Southern Pacific.

During the early days of diesel locomotive use, they were also painted black. Yard switchers had diagonal orange stripes painted on the ends for visibility, earning this scheme the nickname of Tiger Stripe.

Road freight units were generally painted in a black scheme with a red band at the bottom of the carbody and a silver and orange "winged" nose. The words "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" were borne in a large serif font in white. This paint scheme is called the Black Widow scheme by railfans.

A transitory scheme, of all-over black with orange "winged" nose, was called the Halloween scheme. Few locomotives were painted in this scheme and few photos of it exist.

Most passenger units were painted originally in the Daylight scheme as described above, though some were painted red on top, silver below for use on the Golden State (operated in cooperation with the Rock Island Railroad) between Chicago and Los Angeles. In 1959 SP standardized on a paint scheme of dark grey with a red "winged" nose; this scheme was dubbed Bloody Nose by railfans. Lettering was again in white. After the merger with the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad, the side lettering became often done in the Rio Grande "speed lettering" style.

Unlike many other railroads, whose locomotive numberboards bore the locomotive's number, the SP used them for the train number all they way up to the proposed Southern Pacific Santa Fe Railroad merger. By the Rio Grande Industries era, SP had adopted the more standard practice of using the number boards for the road number.

Passenger train service

Until May 1, 1971 (when Amtrak took over long-distance passenger operations in the United States), the Southern Pacific at various times operated the following named passenger trains:

• 49er
• Argonaut
• Beaver
• Cascade Limited
• City of San Francisco (operated jointly with the Chicago and North Western Railway and the Union Pacific Railroad)
• Coast Daylight
• Coaster
• Del Monte
• Fast Mail
• Golden State (operated jointly with the Rock Island Railroad)
• Klamath
• Lark
• Oregonian
• Overland
• Owl
• Pacific Limited
• Rogue River
• Sacramento Daylight
• San Francisco Challenger
• San Joaquin Daylight
• Shasta
• Shasta Limited
• Sunset
• Sunset Limited
• Tehachapi
• West Coast

Company officers

Presidents of the Southern Pacific Company

• Timothy Guy Phelps (1865-1868)
• Leland Stanford (1868-1890)
• Collis P. Huntington (1890-1900)
• Charles Hayes (1900-1901)
• E. H. Harriman (1901-1909)
• Robert Lovett (1909-1911)
• William Sproule (1911-1918)
• Julius Krutschnitt (1918-1920)
• William Sproule (1920-1928)
• Paul Shoup (1929-1932)
• Angus Daniel McDonald (1932-1941)
• Armand Mercier (1941-1951)
• Donald Russell (1952-1964)
• Benjamin Biaggini (1964-1976)
• Denman McNear (1976-1979)
• Alan Furth (1979-1982)
• Robert Krebs (1982-1983)
• D. M. "Mike" Mohan (1984-1996)

Chairmen of the Southern Pacific Company Executive Committee

• Leland Stanford (1890-1893)
• (vacant 1893-1909)
• Robert Lovett (1909-1913)
• Julius Krutschnitt (1913-1925)
• Henry deForest (1925-1928)
• Hale Holden (1928-1932)
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Chairmen of the Southern Pacific Company Board of Directors

• Henry deForest (1929-1932)
• Hale Holden (1932-1939)
• (position nonexistent 1939-1964)
• Donald Russell (1964-1972)
• (vacant 1972-1976)
• Benjamin Biaggini (1976-1983)

Predecessor and Subsidiary Railroads

• California Pacific Railroad (Cal-P line Sacramento - Martinez, CA)
• Central Pacific Railroad
o Sacramento Southern Railroad
• Northern Railway SP Subsidiary
o West Side & Mendocino Railroad (Willows - Fruto, CA)
• Northwestern Pacific Railroad
• San Diego and Arizona Railway

Sucessor Railroads

• California Northern Railroad
• Eureka Southern Railroad
o North Coast Railroad
• San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railway
• San Joaquin Valley Railroad

References

• Beebe, Lucius (1963). The Central Pacific & The Southern Pacific Railroads, Howell-North Books, Berkeley, CA. ISBN 083107034X.
• Diebert, Timothy S. and Strapac, Joseph A. (1987). Southern Pacific Company steam locomotive compendium, Shade Tree Books, Huntington Beach, CA. ISBN 0-930742-12-5.
• Yenne, Bill (1985). The History of the Southern Pacific, Bonanza, New York, NY. ISBN 0-517-46084X.
• Thompson, Anthony W., et al (1992). Pacific Fruit Express, Signature Press, Wilton, CA. ISBN 1-930013-03-5.
• Orsi, Richard J (2005). Sunset Limited. The Southern Pacific Railroad and the Development of the American West 1850-1930, University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-20019-5.


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

OOOPS, nearly forgot to make mention of the Canadian 3-part rail journy by the Proprietor and his Bride. Tom, it was better "the second time around." That is one of those things we all have promised ourselves and never quite got there. Hey, don't forget to pack the DEET. You guys are contributing enough to the local economy without donating a pint of blood to the local habitat. Happy rails, Ted

[Anonymous]

Good morning to all on this beautiful Saturday in May. For all of you serving in the Armed Forces and those with friends, relatives or family in service to our Country (past and present) may I bid you a heartfelt thank you.[tup] X infinity. It only takes a moment to remember them but a lifetime to appreciate their sacrifice. Well Tom, let's have one in honor of your 30 + and my 20 + years, whada'ya say? Did'ya ever think we'd make it Cap'n? Right, the decorations are up and the mass bands of the 4042nd National Guard & Mentor Village Volunteer Fire Fighting Fusiliers will open the festivities promptly at Noon (Pacific), 1:00 p.m. (Mountain), 2:00 p.m. (Central) and 3:00 p.m. (Eastern) on the occasion of Westcoast Dave'S boithday. There is talk of a guest appearance by an "imported" Rock band some where from the U.K., however, British Airways will not divulge the origin or the flight number[:O] So folks, come hungry and thirsty for this gala event and check all combustibles with Leon at the door, if you please. Unfortunately, yours truly will be otherwise engaged showing a "reverse mortgage" Rep. about the premesis for a "yea or nay" on its feasability. No great loss as Boris has volunteered to "fill in" during my absense.

Yesterday, was a "winnah," to be sure.[:D] Our guest of hono(u)r made a "tour de force" of S.P., S.N., and R.D.C., EMD, Alco memorabilia and vital stats. That, in turn, cranked up a malstrom of response from our resident Mentor and R.D.C. aficianado, Cap'n Tom. Not since Lewis and Clark has there been such a on rush of exploration from a duet.[tup] Yesterday, CM3 got us in "high gear with more N.H. vinettes with Mike inspiring everyone on with his fine URL "cornicopia." Rob really began Today with traction "holding its' own" when he umleashed a salvo of crtically acclaimed "Classic Juice" #15 and #16, well done Sir. BTW, I sucessfully managed a "sound-on-sound" (over dub) of excerpts from the Trolly L.P. to the train "master tape" for the Pike.[^] I still can't get the sights, sounds and smells of the Trolley Museum out of me system.[tup]

I have a few thousand things to do around the "hooch" before the I. G. arrives today. SOoo, it is "23 skidoo" ( OUCH ) for now. If they don't "tie me down" too late for the [bday] action, I'll breeze by again later. Boris, what's with the hole in the roof? Oh I see...you heard Dave likes Daylights.[:(!]

[siberianmo]

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[bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave (47)![bday]


TODAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
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Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] Chick was on the local beach one day and just couldn't make it with any of the girls. He did notice that Bob, the lifeguard, had no trouble with the ladies at all. So Chick walked over to Bob to find out what his secret was.
"It's obvious, Chick " said Bob. "Do What I do... grab a pair of Speedos - about two sizes too small - and drop a fist-sized potato down inside 'em. You'll have all the babes you want!"
The following weekend, Chick went back to the beach with his brand new, skintight tight Speedos and before he went strolling down the surf, he made sure to drop in his potato as Bob had suggested. To his surprise though, the reaction he got was worse than before. Everybody on the beach was acting disgusted as he walked by, covering their faces, running away screaming, and looking sick! Chick ran over to Bob and asked him what he was doing wrong, and Bob yelled "Chick, you idiot the potato goes in front!!" [:I]


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. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, June 3rd thru June 9th: The Great Escape (1963) starring: Steve McQueen, James Garner & Richard Attenborough –and- The Longest Day (1962) starring: 42 International Stars. SHORT: Pardon My Scotch (1935).


. . . Sunday, June 10th thru June 16th: Major League II (1994) starring: Tom Berenger & Charlie Sheen –and- Mr. Baseball (1992) starring: Tom Selleck, K. Taukura & A. Takanashi. SHORT: Hoi Poloi (1935).


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 May 2006, 06:06:52 (341) Gulf Coast Report!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 06:39:38 (341) Friday’s Info & 22-Post Summary

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 May 2006, 06:55:58 (341) B’kfst visit!

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 May 2006, 07:22:07 (341) ENCORE: Peter Witt story

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 May 2006, 07:32:06 (341) 3 Pix!

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 26 May 2006, 09:14:12 (342) Inclusive Post ‘n ENCORE: NH in Providence

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 09:50:20 (342) ENCORE: 2005 Canadian Rail Journey, Pt IV (final)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 11:43:57 (342) Acknowledgments & Comments

(9) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 May 2006, 12:38:08 (342) Left Coast Report!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 14:48:44 (342) ENCORE: 2005 Dallas trip & Pix

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 26 May 2006 , 16:48:44 (342) URLMeisterMonster URLs – what else[?]

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 May 2006, 17:41:24(342) ENCORE: PE & Catalina Specials

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 17:52:50 (342) Acknowledgments & Comments

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 May 2006, 18:02:53 (342) ENCORE: Mission Bay on the SP

(15) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 May 2006, 18:29:20 (342) ENCORE: WP & RDCs

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 19:04:23 (342) 3 B&M RDC Pix!

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 May 2006, 19:45:52 (342) ENCORE: Unremarked SDP45

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 20:25:10 (342) Acknowledgments & Comments

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 May 2006, 22:28:49 (342) Comments




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

This is part two of the encore for this evening, Pidgeon holes along with the last one. This is a list of the major American streetcar builders that sold product in Canada. There were other US manufacturers of street railway equipment , but they did not sell anything north of the boarder so are not on this list. This was aslo first posted back in january on page 217.

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


CLASSIC JUICE # 16 MAJOR AMERICAN SUPPLIERS OF STREETCAR'S & LOCOMOTIVES TO CANADA.


BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE WORKS

Philidelphia and Eddystone PA- Great steam locomotive builder, producing their frist in 1831-32. Began building electrics in 1895. Formed an alliance with Westinghouse for electrical components but employed Eddison storage batteries for most of it's mine and industrial locomotives. Produced St Clair Tunnel Locomotives ( 1908 ), steeplecabs for BC Electric,(1911-13),and Galt, Preston & Hespler/ Grand River Railway 1904-1930. Baldwin trucks were used for a wide range of candain and US built streetcars and interurbans as well.


J. G. BRILL COMPANY

Philadelphia PA - One of the largerst manufacturers of electric railway equipment. Formed in 1868 ( horse car era ). Developed a full line of trolley's and trolley car components,which were sold throughout the world. Brill bogies (trucks )were used by many Candian car builders. Bought out several competitors,American,Kuhlman,Wason,Danville,John Stephenson, and the Preston Car and Coach companies amd closed most of them. Brill itself closed in 1956.

GENERAL ELECTRIC

Chicago Il -A gigantic orginization,formed in 1892 from a merger of EDison GE and Thomson-Houston Company. A major supplier ofair brake and electrical components to US and Candain streetcar builders. They built box cab electric in Canda and the US and of Coarse now build deisel locomotives as well.


JEWETT CAR COMPANY

Newark Oh -In business from 1894-1918. Famous for it's big classic wood and steel interurbans.Such as those built for the London and Port stanley RY 1915-1917. Our museum's L&PS 8 is one of these beasts.


McGUIRE-CUMMINGS MFG

Chicago Il - Known mostly for it's sweepers in Canada. Began in 1888 as a car and truck builder.( street car bodies and bogies not road vehicles ) Last car built in 1930.The Toronto Civic railway was one of the few candain street railways to own their passenger cars.


NILES CAR CO

Niles Oh- began in 1901. Built mostly large , very heavy wooden cars. Toronto Civic was amongst it's Canadain customers ( # 107 - 112 from 1913 ) Plant closed in 1917.

PRESSED STEEL CAR CO

Pittsburg Pa - Organized in 1896. Only built frieght cars until 1906. produced the first steel streetcar in NA for Montreal in 1907. Closed in 1954

ST.LOUIS CAR CO

St Louis Mo - World's largest and main builder of the PCC type car. Produced earlier type streetcars for Edmonton and other's. Lasted 1887-1975.

JOHN STEPHANSON CO

Elizabeth NJ - A pioneer railway car builder,starting business in 1831, in New york. supplied Vancouvers first four trolley's in june of 1890. No steel cars were produced by them. Bought out by Brill in 1904,closed in 1917.

WESTINGHOUSE ELECTRIC & MFG CO.

Pittsburg Pa -Produced motors and controllers for electric railways in vast quantities. And became one of the leading air brake suppliers in the world as well. Co-produced a famous steeple cab series with Baldwin as well.

Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

A classic juice encore of the major and minor streetcar builders of Canada. This first surfaced in January on page 212.

Rob[8D]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

Okay. now for the "content" bit for today.I;m still in a traction mood <suprise> so I give you gentlemen another installment of the "juice"

CLASSIC JUICE # 15 CANADIAN ELECTRIC CAR & LOCO CO's

This is an inclusive list. In some cases I do not have start and end date for these manufacturer's as some lasted others were there and gone, and yet other's are still around today only are making much different non rail products.

A. C . LARIVIERE

Located in Montreal they supplied the Montreal Street railway with Cars in 1894( later became the railways shops until operations ended in 1959 )

BOMBARDIER INC.

Located in Boucherville PQ, began as a snowmobile manufacturer in 1926. Entered mass transit field in 1974, with the contract to build Montreals subway cars. Aquired MLW in 1975 and Ontario's UTDC ( ex Hawker Siddeley Ca Thunder Bay ) in 1992. Still make transit equipment and coaches today.

BRITIS COLUMBIA ELECTRIC RY

In New Westminister BC, built many of their own streetcars and interurbans in shopsfrom 1897 till mid june 1913, after that they did rebuilding only.

CANADIAN CAR ABD FOUNDRY

Montreal PQ, Formed in 1909 from Canada Car and Dominion Foundry. Built streetcars and regular passenger and freight cars.Sold to Hawker Siddeley in 1964

CANADIAN GENERAL ELECTRIC

Peterbourough On, Cars and Locomotives built for Guelph,Hull,Kingston,etc from mid 1890's

CROSSEN CAR CO

Cobourg Ontario, Built cars from 1893 to after 1900, for Toronto railway co,NS&T Hamilton Radial RY etc.

CANADIAN VICKERS CO

Montreal PQ, Formed in 1911, as a subsidiary of Vickers of England Bult montreal's first subway cars in 1963

GENERAL MOTORS DIESEL

London On, built diesel and all electric loco's since the early 1950's

GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY

Pointe Ste Charles PQ, built electric cars for subsidiary Montreal and Southern Counties RY. 1914-1917

HAWKER SIDDELEY CANADA

Montreal,Thunder Bay- Derived from A>V>Roe aircraft. Bought Candian car and Foundry in 1964 built streetcars and subway cars for the TTC

MONTREAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS

Montreal- Incorporated in 1902 Built steam and diesel locos ( Alco designs )Built subway cars for Toronto in 1962. Taken over by Bombardier in 1975

MONTREAL TRAMWAYS CO

Montreal PQ - Built both cars and loco's at the Youville shops, for it's own and affiliate lines in Quebec.

NATIONAL STEEL CAR CO

Hamilton On - Built interurbans for MS&C ( 1913 ) streetcars for Hamilton ( 1927 ), loco's for Ontario Hydro's construction railway ( 1918 ) built CPR's first diesel (1937 ) and the last interurbans for canada ( GRR # 626 1947 ) TTC trackplows (1944 ) Still build general frieght cars today.

NIAGARA ST CATHARINES & TORONTO RY

St Catharines On - Built cars for self plus other Mackenzie/CNR electric lines( Toronto suburban, MS&C, Oshawa railway ) 1896-1959-did in house rebuilding

NOVA SCOTIA CAR WORKS

Halifax NS- Originally Siliker car Co,Built several Halifax streetcars up to 1915

OTTAWA CAR CO

Ottawa On - Canada's largest car builder,Started in 1892,from Wylie Carriage co,. Lasted until 1947, when it built the kast orthidox streetcar design for the Ottawa strreet Railway.

PATTERSON & CORBIN

St Catharines On - Began as carriage maker in 1874. converted to horse cars to electric cars in the late 1880's.Built equipment using Van Deepole equipment, then built electric streetcars using GE motors in the 1890's. Sold cars widely including the first cars for Victoria but overexpanded and went bankrupt in 1897.

PRESTON CAR AND COACH CO

Preston On - Started in 1908. Built high quality wood cars,but also lead the way in steel car construction.Producing the first steel cars built in Canada. Built railway coaches as well building the TM&O's business cras in 1910. Sold out to JG Brill in 1921 ( built the first 50 Witt's for TTC ) plant was closed in 1923.

RATHBURN & CO

Deseronto On - Produced from late 1880's to 1920's, for Oshawa,Kingston,and possibly other's.

RHODES CURREY & CO

Amherst NS - Built cars for Halifax,Moncton,from mid 1890's to early 20th century.Alsio built railway passenger cars.

ST CHARLES & PRINGLE

Belleville On - Active in the early 1890's,suppliedcars and parts to the Montreal Street Railway

TILLSONBERG ELECTRIC CAR CO

Tillsonberg On- Built large cars( interurbans ) for Windsor Essex
& Lake shore and streetcars for St John NB shortly before WW1, closed in 1917

TPRONTO RAILWAY COMPANY

Toronto On- Produced mostly streetcars ( wooden single and double truck TR cars ) for itself and interurbans for the Toronto suburban and the Toronto and York Radial. 1900-1919

WINNIPEG ELECTRIC CO


Winnipeg MB - Considerable production of streetcars for Winnipeg,and Selkirik & lake Winnipeg Radial cars in the early decades of the 20th century.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening / morning Leon, a Keith's to round out the day sir. Quite the interesting day today gents. Indeed it has been the Dave and Tom show but that's not all bad as it's been all wonderfull info fer sure fer sure[;)][tup]

Tom I'm glad to revisit your Canadian rail trips, and your whirlwind no holds barred dallas by rail with Mr *** W.great shots of the RDC's BTW again and always nice to see those B&M ones as well.I will endevour to give some decent names and descriptions to day 2;'s shots on sunday

Dave Wonderfull pile of Encores today, You covered the gamot from RDC's to the PE to big SP diesels [wow][:0][yeah] I know that Tom appreciated the support this afternoon, good show. [tup] I have indeed heard about Niles car. They made many streetcars for city lines as well. They sold more product in thee US, but the Montreal Streetcar system and the Pre TTC Toronto Civic railway had some of their wood cars as well. my undersatnding is that they mad e some steam railway passenger equipment as well. They were known for their interurban cars and express motors for the most part. Labelle Woodworking still makes some HO and O scales models of their cars. CN and CP did support MLW quite heavily. You have to remeber that in the 50's and 60's when diesilization was occuring up here the railroads bought from the Canadian subsidiaries of the big manufacturers. Mostly due to tax laws ( no import duty on homemade product ) GMD was a late starter in Canada and they never catalouged the SD7 or 9 or 18 for that matter. MLW did make 6 axle diesels as did CLC which had the Candian manufacture rights for FM abd Baldwin products.

Mike Another great bunch of URL's sir. I know that if Nick does ever surface again he will like those ONR shots . You are right the name was changed to accomadate the interchange of freight cars. Less confusing when everyone has their own reporting marks.

CM3 Great encore Sir. The NH tends to pull many of the assembled's chains for a favourite NE road. Don't get me started on bugs up here either. The Balck Flies and Mosquitos are being taken down with shotguns up north right now. really bad year this year.

Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Leon I'll take a Keiths and Boris fire up the grill and prepare a small sirloin for me!

The Track Gangs are "at it again" back in the Pool Room; Herr Wurlitzer is belting out the tunes (Hank Jr right now . . . and the large screen TVs are showing all kinds of "live" sports. All we need are some "regulars" to round out the atmosphere . . . [tup]

Been quite a day, both inside this place and out . . . Getting down to the last few days and time to begin putting together "everything" for our trip. Wx forecast is for hot, hot 'n more hot for the coming week. That doesn't bode well for Juneau at the kennel - fortunately he'll be in air conditioning most of the time.,

Finally finished up reading the Posts and checking out all of the URLs - nice work, guys! [tup]

We've been treated to quite a panoply of RR'ding today - covered lotsa ground. Of course, the RDCs "do it" for me - I'd say there's a little bit of "something" there for everyone.

Oh yeah, some very good stuff over on "my other Thread" these past few days. Today is Maine Central - Pix not seen here, along with some ACL, etc. Certainly worth checking out . . . .

Okay - enough of my ramblings. Time to check out - Boris ring the bell!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Quite a remarkable afternoon, eh[?] A bit short on acknowledgments, but very long on innovative and ENCORE! Posts! [tup]

It's pretty much been The West Coast S Show for the late afternoon. I doubt that Dave has EVER been this active with us. My guess is he's trying to ensure that the B'day gifts come in S gauge markings! [swg]

At last glance, we've had 17 Posts thus far (not counting this one) and Dave 'n I have 5 each . . now THAT doesn't happen very often! [tup] It isn't quantity I'm chortling about, it's the quality, fer sure, fer sure! [yeah]

It hasn't gone unnoticed that Dave's "creative editing" has caused a bit of chagrin for Moi in trying to keep up the SUMMARY preparation! [swg] You'd had to have been here to understand . . . .

Did anyone, other than I, catch that Dave "decreed" the drinks are on him for the next 2 days - BUT we're CLOSED on Sundays!!! Smooth move, EXLAX! [swg]

Okay, I'll ask again: Where's Nick [?]


REMINDER:
Dave's B'day Bash begins at NOON (Pacific) tomorrow - 3 PM (Eastern)
Still need someone to step up to oversee the festivities as I won't be here in the afternoon.


Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[West Coast S]

Always nice to read about big power, especially BIG SP power, a repost from not so long ago. With this I conclude this evenings presentation...Night all, catch you in the AM for the bash. Ok set up on me for the next two days, i'm buying, no argumements from the Peanut Gallery[:D]



Without further ado..presenting the unremarked SDP45

By 1967, SP was intent on retiring the remaining eighteen Alco PA's who's maintaince and operating cost had become excessive, based upon performance of the SD45, which SP was estatic about, EMD suggested the V20, 3200hp passenger version could be the solution.

Without any additional urging, SP inked an order for ten, sight unsee to be numbered 3201-3209. Upon entering service they exceeded all specifications and quickly sent most of the passenger cab unit fleet to the scrapper. In a matter of months they assumed all remaining intercity passenger runs and accomplished the goal of single unit operation of passengers trains as a cost control measure. The practice of adding extra units to protect from failure was eliminated and all schedules were greatly improved due to the excellent performance of those 3200 horses.

Upon the creation of Amtrak, SP sold the remaining cab units to the power short operation, the SDP45's were not included in the deal, but were leased to help with the transition, all remained on home rails and for time it seemed as if nothing had changed. All knew that their pending reassignment to San Francisco spelled the end for the much beloved trainmasters, but the trainmasters would not fade into retirment without one last fight, a repreive courtesy of EMD themselves: The first SDP45 powered commute runs were a diaster, they proved unable to maintain the schedule and would loose time over the route much to the chigrin of SP and EMD. Bottom line, the units were sluggish and would not transition between severe and light loads under great acceleration variables without roasting the traction motors or inducing turbo backfires.


The failure was due to a design issue with the automatic load regulator, a problem that had existed since the days of the FT and was a familar story to EMD engineers. Unlike EMD, Fairbanks Morse electrical systems employed no load regulator thus full power was available on demand without dammage to wiring or traction motors or suprise under-load shutdown of the power plant that could, and did cause expensive-time consuming repairs on EMD units so equipped.

SP quickly decided to rectify this flaw, and despite EMD's protest , reached the decision to install adjustable regulators, as freight duty in the off hours was a unescapable fact of life for the commute fleet. Thus the generators could recieve ample current when in passenger use for quick accleration and could be adjusted to disapate heat for slow freight drags without meltdown. Western Pacific, which had extensive experience with this ill design and had a ready solution assisted in providing SP with technical guidence throughout the modifications...

By 1975, all ten had been converted to adjustable load regulators, traction motor wiring upgrades and extensive electrical locker improvements and upon sucessfull testing and acceptance, all sixteen trainmasters were retired at Bayshore. The SDP45's assumed the burden of peak commute service where twelve car trains were the norm on three minute headways , occasionaly the fleet answered the call to company service and officers special. In the summer of 1978 an upsurge in freight business and a lack of sufficient locomotives forced the SDP45's back into the freight pool for the remainder of the year, their place was taken by fifteen leased Amtrak P30CH's until mysterious derailments with these units caused SP to scavage the dead line for suitable home road power where several disused GP35's laguished.

The next chapter occured In 1984, SP sold the commute operation and rail lines to a new operator, CalTrain, it was hoped Caltrain would find use for the big 45's as they were of little use to SP for freight duty due to newer power arriving and strict emission regulations in the Bay Area. Caltrain chose to replace all former SP equiptment. SP immediately retired those awaiting heavy repairs, Seven remained after the takover of the commute operations and stripped of steam generators, moved to fright duty out of Roseville.

Later in 1984, 3207 was repainted in the
dis-allowed SP/SF merger paint the only true passenger unit of either road to display these doomed colors. Seven were available for service at the time of the UP merger and would prove to be of good use for their new owner for several more years before final retirement...


Dave

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Speaking of RDCs . . .

B&M RDC-1



B&M RDC-2



B&M RDC-3


Note: foto credits unknown


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[West Coast S]

Once more, just because and to complement Herr Tom's fine RDC encore, for your enjoyment from 03 November 2005.


Towards the end of 1949, losses to trains 1 & 2, The Royal Gorge, prompted WP to seek discountiuance of all secondary passenger service. Anticipating rejection of their application, Budd was contacted regarding the new RDC.. Eventually permission was granted to dicontinue daily service, but WP was required to maintain triweekly service.

An trial RDC-1 was recieved at Salt Lake City on December, 15, 1949..Upon intial inspection, WP officials refused the test unless pilots and a baggage compartment were installed, Budd agreed to perform the temporary modifications. Actual trials commenced on January 17 and continued through the the 26th, operation consited of a round trip from Portola, Ca to Salt Lake City and return.

WP was impressed by the results and on January 23, 1950 placed a single car RDC-2 order with Budd, an additional RDC-2 was soon authorized on June 01, 1950. Both RDC's were recieved the following May and July 1950 respectively and numbered 375-376.

After delivery the cars were put through a series of test which resulted in many modifications over the years, both by Budd and WP personal.. Over ninety signficient modifications were instituted prior to 1954 with a few highlighted below.

1...Installation of nine-two passenger reclining seats immediatly behind the baggage compartment for the comfort of revenue passengers.

2.. Installation of a second toilet in the small compartment adjacent to the baggage compartment.

3...Installation of a conductors desk at the small jump seat

4...Installation of body mounted pilots to both ends of the car

5...Installation of diagonal number board, two per end, both ends of car.

6...Installation of wiring and plug in receptacles to each end of car to furnish power and A/C when hauled by a diesel locomotive.

7...Installation of an additional air horn to both ends of car.

8...A red Gyralite was installed, facing the rear and a white one installed on the front per WP operating practices.

Once in regular operation, additional problems made their appearence, pilots were refastened, reinforced and trimmed, modifications were made to permit greater air capacity, additional filters were installed on the engines to combat alkyline dust and the effects of weeds, common to the right of way in Nevada and Utah with the stock louvered openings being sealed in the process.
The RDC's were unable to actrivate lineside signals when recieved and new circutrity was soon developed and installed by company forces, Budd being unable to provide a solution that meet WP's exacting demands.

In spite of these defiencies, WP considered the ten year RDC expertiment a sucess. Losses for trains 1& 2 exceeded $255.000 dollars a year by 1959. WP sought permission to discontinue all secondary passenger service, this time, permission was easily obtained and the RDC's were retired on October 01, 1960 and stored in the Oakland roundhouse awaitng a buyer, eventually Northern Pacific would assume ownership. Once in service on the NP, one was soon to be demolished in a grade crossing collision, the second survived long enough to be included into the new Burlington Northern roster before being purged.

Ok Boris, set up a round for the night owls among us....

Dave

[West Coast S]

Return with me now, to those thrilling days of yesteryear, from August 2005..enjoy


Let's revisit Mission Bay on the SP in the days of steam


Mission Bay was located just south of the Southern Pacific's Third & Townsand Street station in San Francisco. Located within a wye, SP located a 110 foot turntable, garden tracks and six stall roundhouse and complete service facalities. Mission Bay was responsible for light repairs and running repairs for all motive power assigned to the commute fleet and served as a overflow shop for non- commute power and in addition, to being home base for several switchers that worked local industries

Mission Bay is best known as the home of the Daylights, GS-2,3,4,5's assigned to trains 98 & 99 the Coast Daylights, were serviced, washed and stagged on specially designated service tracks, Mission Bay was upgraded and improved specifficaly to service the new GS class in 1937.

Daylight crews had a crew lounge built to blatently announce to all their selection to Daylight service next to the garden tracks, complete with plant beds, fruit trees and paved brick walkways. Mission was capable of performing any level of repair, despite the demuntive surroundings and sparse resources. Once servicing was complete locomotives could be held or dispatched to storage tracks located at seventh and Harris Streets, at the approach to the station.

Skilled, selected personal would inspect each arriving GS or other power , perform any required service or running repairs. Hot wash with a kerosene bath, wipe down, steam clean the running gear, turn said engine via turntable or wye and be made ready to depart within three hours. Power used for other coast passenger trains, Lark and the mails for example, were likewise attended to by a assigned pool of Pacifics and Mountains in addition to the GS 4-8-4s that were kept in reserve.

The Mission Bay switcher was unique on the system and deserves mention:
One S12 0-6-0 assigned to hostler duties, was distingushed from all others by a unique Royal Blue boiler jacket, nickle plated rods and other refinements and was renowned for always being immaculate until replaced by diesels in 1942.

Mission Bay and the commute pool became a holdout for displaced steam by the mid 50s, power not normally associated with the Bay Area migrated off traditional districts
now assigned to diesels, to work off the remaining boiler time before retirement and scrapping. Displaced Cotton Belt 4-8-4's, MT2 class 4-8-2s, GS-1 4-8-4's were such examples of exotic power. Cab Forwards and SP Type 4-10-2's were assigned to Mission after Bayshore converted to diesel exclusively and West Oakland was reducing their facalities. The first time freight power was assigned to Mission.



Mission Bay performed it's final steam class 4 backshop repairs in 1957. Later that year the roundhouse was converted to maintain the Trainmasters.. By 1960 Mission Bay roundhouse would be closed with nearby Bayshore assuming maintaince responsibilities for the commute fleet. In 1961 the Mission Bay complex would be leveled and all trackage, except for the wye were removed. Today, the location of Mission Bay is buried under a mass of highway cloverleafs, Third & Townsand station and its associated trackage was torn out in 1975, fallen victim to the same highway project that forever erased any traces of Mission Bay, replaced by a more asture prefab station at Fourth & Townsand.

Dave