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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:13 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #87


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1942 advertisement in my personal collection.



The B&O is "TOPS" to Washington

Washington’s first railroad, historically . . . the Baltimore & Ohio today is first also in the service it gives Washington-bound travelers. Fine trains on fast schedules, with many exclusive features, are operated from St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, New York and intermediate population centers.

Take the scenic B&O route to Washington! Enjoy the convenience of Stewardess-Nurse service . . . the smooth-riding comfort of Diesel-Electric power . . . on many feature trains. Modern Pullmans and Individual Reclining Seat Coaches . . . the pleasure of fine food at moderate prices . . . the genuine hospitality for which the B&O is famous.

FINE FAST FEATURE TRAINS

THE CAPITOL LIMITED . . . . . . . . . . THE NATIONAL LIMITED
THE SHENANDOAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE DIPLOMAT
THE COLUMBIAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . St. Louis - Louisville
Chicago – Pittsburgh . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cincinnati - Washinton
Washington – Baltimore. . . . . . . . . . . Baltimore - Philadelphia
Philadelphia – New York . . . . . . . . . . New York

THE AMBASSADOR . . . . . . . . . . . . THE ROYAL BLUE
Detroit - Toledo- Cleveland - . . . . . . New York - Philadelphia
Washington - Baltimore . . . . . . . . . . Baltimore - Washington

The B&O is the Way to Go

Baltimore & Ohio

THE ONLY RAILROAD BETWEEN EAST AND WEST
PASSING DIRECTLY THROUGH WASHINGTON



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:38 PM
G'day Gents!

I see Lars 'n Pete are logged on - good to see the both of you! [tup]

Great having you back with us, Lars even if only for a short duration. Understand fully what your situation has been (and is) . . . best I can offer are my positive thoughts! [tup]

Pete you would have loved that St. George Arms English pub . . . I TOLD you that you should've let your bride send you with us . . . . <geesh> Then again, had you come along, perhaps the two of us would still be in St. George! [swg]

After my recent experiences with Air Canada just the thought of going through that again would dissuade me from another Rendezvous up thataway! [tdn] Delson would be very nice to see - but check with me "off line" and I'll fill you in on the "rest of the story!" There's only 2 airlines to get us to Toronto or Montreal without multiple plane changes, and they both are awful in terms of on-time-performance, fares, and giving a "Rat's Patoot!" It's St. Louis in 2007 and who knows where in 2008. Now that's thinking way ahead, eh[?]

We decided at our 'business meeting" NOT to Post any Pix from inside the tavern - we are keeping those for ourselves and they won't be "released' into cyber space. Sorry guyz - but you just had to be there to get in on all the "goodies!"

Good to see CM3 'n Rob today as well . . . and of course our late nite contributors: Ted 'n Rob (3x!!) [tup]

Gotta run - yard work needs completing - just took a break, then we're off to an evening out . . . . Appreciate the rounds & quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!

Boris Ring the chimes - drinks on the house! [tup]


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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:11 PM
Hi Tom and All.

A pint of Bathams and a bacon butty please.

MIKE Great post and links on the Great Dates in railroad history, the D&H and on the Stourbridge Lion .
It really would be great if the regulars from Our Place could go to the birthplace of the first steam loco to run in the U.S. one day. The town is less than 10 miles from one end of the Severn Valley railway one of Britains best preserved lines.

ROB Thanks for listing the Brews in the St George Arms. The two local Micro-Brews sound well worth a try.
Good piece on the D&H Passenger Service and the more I see of the Alco PAs in that livery the more I admire it. I noticed the blue changes color in photos, as does color pics of the BR preserved A4 when it was in Garter Blue livery, I suppose due to the light conditions.

Alan has sent a bit more info on the pics. Bronlwyd was indeed from North Wales it worked in the Penrhyn slate quarrey at Bethesda. it was built in 1930 by the English firm Hudswell Clarke in Leeds Yorkshire works No 1643.

On the bottom of Page 324. The loco CEGB No1 was built by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn works No 7841 in 1954.
The loco # 1163 did as Nick said work in South Wales this 1908 engine was at the Whitehead Ironworks at Cwmbran in Monmouthshire( I think the county name may have changed now).

A redezvous at the Delson Museum would be wonderful. I really hope to get there one day to see the A4 no 60010 as well as the other great exhibits.

Good Encore photos of TED's layout.

CM3 Thanks for the detailed link. We will have a few drinks for you tomorrow night.

TED Hope all goes well at the VA [tup].The attempts to improve the steam loco is a fascinating subject. In England I have a book with paintings and descriptions on some locos that were proposed but never built including some turbine driven ones.

LARS Great to see you looking forward to tomorrow.

TOM Many thanks for the kind words and the detailed link to the Mars light, this is a marvellous hobby where someone goes to the amount of trouble to produce such a detailed piece on a part of railroad equipment all this despite the company not doing adverts for there products. Now I would love to see a Mars figure of eight light but as TED said it would probably best seen on a foggy night.

Interesting post on the Marx and company, they were certainly great businessmen. The layout on the link looks good but I think Donald the Demon is a bit scary.
Still having a bit of a problem with the Smilie list but I think I can manage another Bathams. PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:04 PM
Good Afternoon Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Long time, no see, huh [?] Well, wtihout getting into more of my personal life than I care to divulge here in the Ether - let me just say, things haven't been going very well "upstate" or here at home. Got a "double whammy" going right now - but we're hanging in there . . . . Left Coast trip still "on" for Friday.

Tom how about one of those Blues you've spoken of so many times! Did Rob make good on the brew he "owed" you [?] Man oh man, those pix and posts about the Rendezvous sure made me wi***hat I could've been with you guys. Just looks like it was everything, and perhaps more, than planned . . . St. Louis in 2007 [?] Sounds good to me! [tup]

I see where another Wednesday has snuck up on me and I'm a bit "light" with the material for "Toy & Model Trains Day!" - but an "Encore" should work, huh [?] I've got just a bit of time before we are off again to keep the Mrs. appointment - so, let's see what I can find.

Very, very sorry that I was such a "bust" with helping out during your absence and I appreciate the understanding through the e-mails you've sent. From the looks of things, the guys came through and isn't that what matters???? Good job, fellas! 5-[tup] Salute to those who cared enough to keep the bar operating! [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup]

Ok - here's my "Encore" to keep the "Toy & Model Trains" idea moving along . . . . one more brew, if you please and a round for the guys!

The following submission is from:



QUOTE: LIONEL STEAM LOCOMOTIVES

Ask anyone on the street, “What do you remember about a Lionel train?” and most of them will smile as fond memories return and say “its black, heavy, and you put little pills in the smoke stack.” This is a fitting description for the bulk of Lionel’s postwar steamers.

Lionel had introduced zinc-alloy die-casting in its manufacturing process prior to World War II, though it took a few years to perfect. Impurities in the metal can cause it to “rot” over years, swelling and disintegrating – a common problem in prewar trains, but unusual in postwar production. This new process allowed the company to create handsome, detailed, yet rugged locomotives. the mechanisms housed in these heavy metal boiler shells were works of art themselves, especially during the late 1940s when they were as precisely made as a fine watch. Ultimately, some of the less-expensive locomotives came to be made of plastic, but die-casting remained the basis for the better engines until the end.

Continued innovation kept Lionel ahead of its competition, and the steam locomotives were at the forefront. Prior to WWII, Lionel had introduced its famed air whistle. Usually housed inside the tender, a small electric motor turned an impeller, forcing air through two acoustic changers and producing a realistic whistle sound. The motor was controlled by a relay, which was closed by imposing a slight DC current on top of the normal AC track power that ran the train. A similar relay was used to ring the bell on the switch engines.

In 1946, Lionel wooed consumers by producing the first locomotives with a puffing smoke. These were replicas of a handsome 2-8-4 Berkshire and Pennsylvania’s revolutionary, albeit unsuccessful S-2 turbine. The first year’s smoke unit used a special oversized light bulb to heat the smoke material, but beginning in 1947, a nichrome wire-wound heater element was used instead on most of the larger locomotives. It was these units that seemed to have an insatiable appetite for the memorable “SP” smoke pellets. In the late 1950s, a third type of smoke generator appeared that used a liquid rather than pills.

Lionel’s golden anniversary year of 1950 saw the final major innovation in steam locomotive production – the introduction of Magnetraction. This feature was intended to better keep the locomotive on the track and increase its pulling power by using powerful Alnico magnets to magnetize the wheel, “sticking” the train to Lionel’s tin-plated steel track.

The fortunes of Lionel seemed to parallel that of full-size steam locomotives. Both reached their zenith in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and both seemed to be fading memories by the late 1960s.


Until the next time!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:52 PM
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Birthday Bash Announcement!


Our leader and “steamed” Proprietor of “Our” Place will be celebrating his Birthday here at the bar - 7 PM – central time – TOMORROW!


Let’s have a great turn out for the guy who NEVER forgets any of us on our special days!


Lars



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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:09 AM
G'day Gents!

Another Toy 'n Model Trains Day! here at the bar. I was going to hold off on providing anything new, given that so many of our number are away for an assortment of reasons . . . however, in deference to those of you who "give a Rat's Patoot!" - try this one on for size! [tup]

Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements.


Louis Marx and Company


(courtesy: Marx Toy Museum)

Louis Marx and Company was an American toy manufacturer from 1919 to 1978. Its boxes were imprinted with the slogan, "One of the many Marx toys, have you all of them?"

The Marx logo was the letters "MAR" in a circle with a large X through it, resembling a railroad crossing sign. Because of this, Marx toys are sometimes misidentified as "Mar" toys.

Marx's toys included tinplate buildings, toy soldiers, toy dinosaurs, mechanical toys, toy guns, action figures, dolls, doll houses, toy cars, and HO scale and O scale toy trains. Marx's less-expensive toys were extremely common in dime stores, and its larger, costlier toys were staples for catalog retailers such as Sears and Montgomery Ward, especially around Christmas. Although the company is now largely forgotten except by toy collectors, several of its toys remain well known. Rock'em Sock'em Robots, introduced in the 1960s, remained popular for years and has been reintroduced by several different companies. Its last hurrah was the Big Wheel ride-on pedal toy, which was introduced in 1969 and became one of the most popular toys of the 1970s.

Founded in 1919 in New York City by Louis Marx and his brother David Marx, the company's basic policies were "Give the customer more toy for less money," and "Quality is not negotiable," which made the company highly successful. Initially the company had no product designs and no manufacturing capacity, so Marx raised money by positioning itself as a middle man, studying available products, finding ways to make them cheaper, and then closing a sale. Funds raised from these effort proved sufficient to purchase tooling for two obsolete tin toys—called the Alabama Minstrel Dancer and Zippo the Climbing Monkey—from toymaker Ferdinand Strauss, one of Louis Marx's former employers. With subtle changes, Marx was able to turn these toys into hits, selling more than 8 million of each within two years. Marx then bought the company it had subcontracted to manufacture the toys. By 1922, both Louis and David Marx were millionaires. Initially Marx produced few original toys, but was able to predict what toys would be hits and manufacture them less expensively than the competition. The yo-yo is an example: Although Marx is sometimes wrongly credited with inventing the toy, Marx was quick to market its own version, and during the 1920s sold an estimated 100 million of them.


A Marx train set made in the late 1940s or early 1950s. (GNU Free Documentation)


Unlike most companies, Marx's revenues grew during the Great Depression. By 1937, the company had more than $3.2 million in assets ($42.6 Mil. in 2005 dollars), with debt of just over $500,000. Marx was the largest toy manufacturer in the world by the 1950s. In a 1955 article, Time Magazine proclaimed Louis Marx "the Toy King," and that year, the company had about $50 million in sales. Marx was the initial inductee in the Toy Hall of Fame, and his plaque proclaimed him "The Henry Ford of the toy industry."

At its peak, Louis Marx and Company operated three manufacturing plants in the United States: Erie, Pennsylvania, Girard, Pennsylvania, and Glen Dale, West Virginia. The Erie plant was the oldest and largest, while the Girard plant, acquired in 1934 with the purchase of Girard Model Works, produced toy trains, and the Glen Dale plant produced toy cars. Additionally, Marx operated numerous plants overseas.


"Donald the Demon" figurine

In 1963, they began making a series of plastic figurines called the Nutty Mads which included some almost psychedelic creations such as Donald the Demon: a half duck half madman, driving a miniature car.

In 1972, Marx sold his company to the Quaker Oats Company for $54 million ($246 Mil. in 2005 dollars) and retired at the age of 76. Quaker owned the Fisher-Price brand, but struggled with Marx. Quaker had hoped Marx and Fisher-Price would have synergy, but the companies' sales patterns were too different. Marx has also been faulted for largely ignoring the trend towards electronic toys in the early 1970s. In late 1975, Quaker closed the plants in Erie and Girard, and in early 1976, Quaker sold its struggling Marx division to the British conglomerate Dunbee-Combex-Marx, who had bought the former Marx UK subsidiary in 1967.

A downturn in the British economy in conjunction with high interest rates caused Dunbee-Combex-Marx to struggle, and these unfavorable market conditions caused a number of Briti***oy manufacturers, including Dunbee-Combex-Marx, to collapse. By 1978 the Marx brand disappeared, and Dunbee-Combex-Marx filed for bankruptcy and was liquidated in 1980. The Marx assets were then liquidated, with many of the patents and molds going to Mego Corporation, another famous maker of dime store toys, and a large number of them going to Canadian toy maker Aurora.

The rights to some of Marx's toys are now owned by other companies, and some of its former products are still in production. Marx Toys, Inc., owns the rights to many Marx action figures. Marx Trains, Inc. produces lithographed tin trains, both of original design and based on former Louis Marx designs. K-Line produces plastic O scale train cars and scenery using former Marx molds, which it markets under its own brand name. Model Power produces HO scale trains from old Marx molds. Rights to the original Marx Big Wheel are owned by KidsWheels, Inc., and Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots is owned by Mattel. Marx's toy soldiers and other plastic figures are in production today in China for the North American market and are mostly targeted at collectors, although they sometimes appear on the general consumer market, particularly at dollar stores.

The Marx name itself has changed hands several times as well. Despite the similar names, neither of the Marx-branded companies of today have any connection to the original Louis Marx and Company.

The original Marx toys are highly regarded by collectors.


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements.

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Two URLs to peruse

http://www.thortrains.net/marstart.html
http://www.train99.com/layouts/layout3.html



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:50 AM
Okay boyz, I'm umprepared for new rail hobby related posts thus far today [:(],so I will resubmit some stuff that I previously put forward. Perhaps tonight I can find something else almost as suitable which is new. Humble apologies [:I]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! EMCORE !

Some resubmitted shots of Sir Ted da Bears modelling expertice [tup][:D]










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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:40 AM
Good morning Tom , bit of a slow start this fine day, and who could blame our supposed rainy awfull day has greeted me with bright sunshine and blue skies[:)][8D]. Since some of the morning crew hasn't heard revelle yet I will attempt to fill in. Two lite breakfasts ( in honour of Doug ) a coffee with that little something extra ( for BK ) and two large overstuffed prune danishes ( for Ted ) from the bakery case. That should keep tilla happy and my well "fueled'' for the day.[:0][:p][:I]

CM3 Arrgh another fine model url to explore, I'll never finish my layout at this pace of checking all the interesting urls that you and Mike are dropping on us[B)][swg] And to my aging eyes ( I know Tom you are rolling your eyes at that one ) that does indeed look like a CPR home built heater car in the picture, can't by 100% but it does look like some shots of stand alone heater cars that I have seen. I believe there is one of theirs and a CNR one at the big Delson Museum in Quebec ( that could be a rendezvous in itself )

Tom Great humo(u)r and movie pix for the day as always, always nice to start each morning off with a groan and a giggle donchathink [?] BTW I am off for the annoited hour(s) of your party so I hope that you have strapped yourself well to the seat restraint system of your new stool. BTW Cindy is readying your usual post bash room(s) for you upstairs as well[;)][:0][:D][:I]

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Lots of stuff posted today.

Our ‘Steamed Proprietor posted material on Canadian RR history and more Toronto pictures, and D&H material. The picture of D&H 7304 threw me for a minute, but I recovered. This locomotive was originally D&H 7315; it was r/b by the CP and r# CP 7304, even though it has D&H paint. And who said we didn’t look at pictures?

Rob provided a good summary of D&H passenger service.

Then we have wanswheeel with lotsa URLs and a timeline. The 1827 entry re the Granite Railway was interesting. Part of it is preserved. The railway was built to haul stone from a quarry to barges. The stone was used to construct the Bunker Hill monument in Charlestown.

Also – in the D&H picture made at Rouses Point. Is that a CP heater car behind the last locomotive or some other kind of equipment? Maybe our sharp-eyed observers from the frozen north can help us.

Pete provided a summary for us as well.

As today is pike perspective day, I provide a website which is outstanding, with a definite D&H/Rutland flavor. Make a pot of coffee, or whatever, and spend some time on this site.

I apologize (hah!) in advance for inducing you to spend several hours in cyberspace when you could be out mowing the lawn, painting the house, walking the K9s or engaging in otherwise worthwhile activity.

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu

BTW, I will have to post bash material early tomorrow as I get to work evening turn and will miss scheduled time.

Work safe

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:43 AM

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WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Mid-week! Time for a cuppa Joe – some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast! [swg] [tup]


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Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 16 May 2006, 05:55:20 (331) THEME: D&H, etc.

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 May 2006, 06:57:19 (331) Rendezvous talk, etc.

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:28:53 (331) THEME: D&H streamlined coaches

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:50:23 (332) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:52:50 (332) RR from Yesteryear – D&H: Ad

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 May 2006, 08:06:36 (332) THEME: Captain’s of Industry, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 10:00:14 (332) RR from Yesteryear: Delaware and Hudson

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 11:32:58 (332) Daylite Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 13:20:08 (332) Rendezvous Stuff!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 16:00:00 (332) THEME: Fallen Flag – D&H

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 May 2006, 18:20:37 (332) Dates in RR History ‘n THEME: URLs

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 May 2006, 19:05:52 (332) Wolfman’s Inclusive Post ‘n Info!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 19:32:08 (332) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 May 2006, 20:32:25 (332) Bearman’s Inclusive Post ‘n Comments!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 22:11:12 (332) Count Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 22:41:46 (332) ]THEME: D&H passenger svc

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 23:09:20 (332) THEME: D&H Pix!




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:09 PM
One final piec to the D&H puzzle, a postcard I came accross. I'm not sure of the photographer's name. But a shot of PA's returning to Binghamton NY with the Laurentian passing a set of Alco 628's on a freoght drag in 1970. enjoy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:41 PM
Okay the theme post for the day. This is a brief passenegr service synopsis on the D&H. Some of this was hit by Tom and Mike, it's just a little extra detail as it were.

D&H PASSENGER SERVICE

Being a moderate sized carrier, the D&H's passenger service were also a modest thing,as they did not serve many large population areas along their route. Ironically even with such a small actual population base to move by train D&H's passenger services ended in the 2000's.

D&H actually competed with the Rutland,CV , and Boston and Maine for Montreal bound traffic. This was also the D&H's mainstay of their passenger market.They did have a strong ally in the NYC as their NY city -Montreal trains started and terminated in Albany where connections could be made with the NYC trains to NY, Chicago , St Louis, and Boston VIA NYC's susidury Boston and Albany.The D&H and NYC had coordinated throuhg car service between New york and Montreal this arrangement lasted until Amtrak's takeover of the passenger network in 1971.

The Montreal Limited & Laurentian were the flagship name trains of the D&H. The Montreal Limited provided overnight service between New York and Montreal, while the Laurentian provided scenic day service on this 375 mile route. into the 50's local trains were run to give srevice along the Montreal Line to Fort Edward,Whitehall, Plattsburg,and Montreal. The D&H also ran tourist trains on the Lake george branch and ran a suburban commuter service between Carbondale and Scranton ( 16 mile run )

Until just after WW2 the D&H's Aklbany-Binghamton mainline had two trains a day by the 50's this was reduced to one train a day and by the early 60's service on this line was discontinued. This train originally served as a connector for the LaurentianThe passenger service toiled in poor condition until 1967 when pro passneger service president Frederic "Buck" Dumaine came on board and bought new ( used ) streamlined cars and the famous PA1's to re-eqiuip the Montreal Limited and the Laurentian .These reconditioned trrains ran on the D&H until May 1 1971 when they were discontinued on the startup of Amtrak.At the time these were the only trains linking the two cities. A groundswell of support for a train in this area started up and with State and D&H funding a new Amtrak service called the Adirondak was started up in 1974. Most of the equipment was supplied by the D&H for this train. This train was finally discontinued in 2002.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:11 PM
Good evening Leon. I'll nab a Keith's and put up for a round for those left in the bar this evening. Quite a good rest of the day themewise, another well responded to day fer sure . [tup]

Mike Great on topic urls. I will indeed go back and absorb more in a very sponglike state. LOL. i see you jumped in eith the details on the Lion so I shall find another D&H thing to report on. Thanks for e-mailing me the url for the D&H and streetcars. i haven't checked it yet but I know it will be interesting. I'll send that link along to Ted as well I'm sure that he will get a kick out of it to.


Ted Amazing that railroads would use watertube boilers, but hey great unlimited power there,likely I'm guessing a tad on the expensive side to maintain. Aquatic motors have not always adapted well for rail use wiothout major maintenance headaches. Witness the FM story. Solid motors great for ship board use but the oposed pistons were a maintenance nightmare for railroads.Hope all goes well at teh VA for you tomorrow , I'm sure that we all we raise several glasses to da boss on thursday evening. [tup]

Pete Thanks for the extra captions for the pictures,that completes the picture as they say. As to what was on tap and in bottle importwise at the arms, I noticed ( in no particular order ) Harps, Guiness, Cafferies, and Cafferies 80 Shilling,Local micro brews Creemore Pale and Creame Ale, Heinekin, Carlsburg & Steam Whistle and Rickards Red, and the more common Coors, and Coors lite and Mlson Canadian as well as all of the above and many others bottled only. i may have left some out.


Tom Loved the rest of te D&H stuff and some good teaser pioctures of the encore, you even got the city crest I'm impressed[swg][tup][:D]


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:32 PM
Good evening gents. Tom I'll spring for a round now and play "catch up" tomorrow after the V.A. thing. Although I lived close to D & H country while in Maryland, there were few direct encounters. What a pity as from a history perspective alone, the road is very important. Thanks to Tom, Doug, Mike, CM3 and Pete, there is now substance to the lore of that Road. The "water tube" boiler concept seemed to be just "ahead of the curve" for the technology of the day. There have been many such aborted experiments on as many Roads that with more persistence would've come to fruition.[2c] Pennsy and their initial success with steam turbines immediatly comes to mind. Another might be the U.P. and their gas turbine monstrosity that also eventually came to nothing. Many thanks for the D & H "Bridge Line" symposium. Pete, was the Mars light issue setteled? As I recall the headlight reflector followed a figure 8 pattern which gave far wider coverage of the ROW from left to right. The first time I saw this "light pattern" was on a foggy night at a good distance and I was sure it was a U.F.O. circling for a landing.[:D] HeyTom, the added pictoral coverage of our Rendesvous 2006 has overcome the "angst" I had for the flights. YUP, I'm ready to go again[:D]

This is a late post for yours truly but I noticed a bit of a lag, so I barged in anyhow. Wish I could stay longer but I have a very early "wake up" tomorrow. Besides, I must get myself in shape for Thursday's festivities and the "wild carefree abandon" I hope will be shared by all of us.[tup] Until later tomorrow p.m., happy rails
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:32 PM
G'day Gents!

Acknowledgments to: Doug – Ted – Al – CM3 – Rob - Mike ‘n Pete for the visits today! Also, many THANX for the supportive “stuff” on the THEME RR – D&H!! [tup] [tup] [tup]


Must admit that the one thing I DIDN’T miss while away were the non-inclusive Posts – seems we still have that anomaly here at the bar . . . pity.


Received a bit of not-so-good news from our friend Lars but I’m unable to elaborate. I suspect he’s communicated with some about two situations keeping him from spending time here. Needless to say, his is a void that will be difficult to fill. Hope I haven’t destroyed a “trust” – Lars – but the guys surely must be wondering where you’ve been. [tup]


Finally got through all three of my Email accounts and THANX to those of you who communicated . . . responses have been sent. [tup] Please keep in mind that I try to respond to each message received – but limit my access to once per day (most times).


Once again – WHERE’s NICK [?] [?] [?]


Special for Pete – check out this URL with regard to your question yesterday on the “Mars Lights” - http://www.trainweb.org/gyra/mars.htm

Can ALWAYS count on the Wolfman to focus on the Posts and material presented at the bar! You are without a doubt blessed with a keen eye for detail – inquisitive mind and a great friend! [tup] Sorry, Mate – don’t recall the import draughts up at the St. George Arms. Perhaps Rob can bail me out on this one . . . . Oh yes – message from the Mrs. for you – “Keith’s Ale.” [%-)]


Regarding the 1st Annual Rendezvous – more Pix on Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thanx for asking! [tup] As previously stated, there isn’t going to be a “report” as such, just “stuff” like my Post from today. Follow the daily offerings and you’ll get as much info about our great time in Ontario, Canada as can be provided!


Getting back to our THEME RR D&H – some mighty fine “stuff” from the boyz today. The URLMeisterMonster provided a “slug” of great places to go for D&H Pix – CM3 gave us an entirely unique insight that I would never have thought of – Doug began the day for us in fine style, followed by Al with his info-packed Post. [tup] [tup] [tup]


Finally, there have been more than a few references to my B’day this week. I appreciate – in advance – the consideration. I will be online at 7 PM (Central) but not at all during the late morning or afternoon – as we’ll be watching the Cardinals play the Mets in a 12:10 PM start at the new Bush Stadium.


Appreciate the rounds and quarters for Herr Wurlitzer! [swg]


REMINDER!
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!



Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:05 PM
Hi Tom an all.

A pint of Bathams and a round for another good Theme day on the Delaware & Hudson [tup].

DOUG Interesting post and pic on the water tube boiler #1403. It sounds as though it was as successful as the LNER's water tube loco, known as the Hush-Hush as it was kept secret as it was being built. Its running number was 10000 and was the only 4-6-4 to run in the UK. A link to it is.
http://www.lner.info/locos/W/w1.shtml
CM 3 thanks for the update on the US electrification.
Those Hulett Ore Unloaders are mighty machines. I hope the ones at Cleveland Ohio are preserved and not dismantled as they are saying they might be.

TOM Great read the D&H. With its beginings in the canals and the first line to have a steam loco, the Stourbridge Lion. I dont think that many locos were constructed at Stourbridge a town about 10 miles south-west of Birmingham, which has a shuttle from the town to the junction on the Worcester to B'ham line, all of 3/4s of a mile long. A single car DMU runs the service it takes longer for the driver to change ends than do the journey. There is also a great Bathams pub in the town.
Those Alco PA1s look superb in that livery, how well that blue on the front of the locos suits the class.[wow][yeah].
Liked the encore and thanks AL for the stramliner car info[tup].

Great Brantford pics. The St George looks a marvellous place loved the sign Hearty Meals on the window. Do you know what the Imported Drafts were when you was there[?]. The model of the waiter seen through the widow has a double at a pub in the town of Keighley Yorkshire UK.

TED You are most welcome to the Steam railway mag, it was left here during one of my earlier visits and must have been destined to finish up in good hands.[tup].Great description of Rob's museum, and the story of Britains railways during WW11 is indeed a fascinating one.

ROB Alan has sent some details of the photos[:O].
Page 330 the first two are at Woody Bay on the much lameted Barnstable & Lynton narrow guage Railway in Devon, which was owned by the Sothern Railway and closed in the 1930s. It was a much loved line and preservationists have re built a short section of the line. The pics on October 2nd 2005 was their first gala day the locos Darent and Bronlwyd from Bressingham museum in Norfolk. The second loco was used I believe in the slate quarries of North Wales during its working life.
The 2nd two photos are at the Devon Railway Center at Bickleigh on the former Exe Valley line which joined the Great Western West of England Main Line at Tiverton Junction.
The steam loco is an O&K loco which they are hoping to steam this year.

Well Tom I'll have another Bathams, and have a look at MIKES's post. PETE.
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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:20 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

Great Dates In Railroad History

1630 - A man named Beaumont laid rails on a highway in England to transport coal from the Newcastle mines. This is the first railroad known in history.

1765 - James Watt constructed his first steam engine at the Corson Iron Works, Glasgow, Scotland.

1776 - The first iron rails, of which we have a complete account, were cast with a perpendicular ledge instead of the flange on modern wheels.

1801 - A short line of track for a horse railroad was laid between Wandsworth and Croydon in the suburbs of London - the first chartered railroad on record.

1804 - The first attempt to utilize steam power on a railroad was made by a Cornishman named Trevithick, who ran a locomotive attached to several wagons in South Wales.

1827 - The first American railroad, from Quincy, Massachusetts, to the Neponset River, was completed.

1828 - Charles Carroll, the last surviving signer of the Declaration of Independence, laid, on July 4, the first rail of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad.

1829 - The Stourbridge Lion, the first steam locomotive ever seen in America, had its trial trip over the line of the Delaware and Hudson Canal and Railroad Company. In England, Stephenson's locomotive, The Rocket, won the prize of $2,500 offered by the directors of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway.

1830 - The first section of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, fifteen miles in length, was opened. Over it Peter Cooper ran his little locomotive, Tom Thumb, to prove that engines could be used on curves. The Best Friend, the first locomotive built in America for actual service, began regularly to haul freight on the South Carolina Railroad.

1842 - The whole of the Boston and Albany was completed, the first road to be operated as an important through route. The New York Central route to Buffalo was opened, though the various companies along the line were not consolidated until eleven years later.

1844 - With the aid of the government, Professor Morse built his pioneer telegraph line between Baltimore and Washington.

1846 - The Pennsylvania Railroad was chartered.

1853 - Eleven railroads were consolidated into the New York Central.

1854 - The Mississippi River was first reached by the Chicago and Rock Island Road.

1858 - Railroad building was pushed as far West as the Missouri River, the Hannibal and St. Joseph reaching that river.

1868 - George Westinghouse invented the air-brake.

1869 - The Union and Central Pacific lines were joined, making a through railroad route from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

1870 - The Chicago and Omaha pool was formed, the first pool on a large scale in the history of American railroading.

1887 - The Interstate Commerce Commission was established to have supervision over railroad rates.

1901 - The Northern Securities Company was organized to control the transcontinental railroads.

1904 - The United States Supreme Court, by a decision of five to four, held that the Northern Securities Company was in restraint of trade and was therefore illegal.

1906 - The Hepburn bill was passed by Congress, increasing the size and powers of the Interstate Commerce Commission.

Also lifted from The Railroad Man's Magazine of October 1906 is this excerpt from
Birth of the Locomotive by Edward B. Mitchell


For many years there stood in a rough shed in Honesdale, Pennsylvania, an old engine, an object of terror to the children of the neighborhood and of curiosity to visitors. It was the famous Stourbridge Lion, the first locomotive ever run in America. Brought over from England in 1829 by the Delaware and Hudson Canal Company, it was run for two or three miles over the railroad connecting the company's coal-mines with Honesdale, the terminus of the canal, and then retired permanently from service. With the Stourbridge Lion itself the directors found no fault. It was the weakness of the track which prohibited its use.

On the road there was a great deal of wooden trestle-work, built not to sustain locomotives, but horse-cars. Over the Lackawaxen Creek, for instance, this trestle was thirty feet high, with a curve of three hundred and fifty or four hundred feet radius. So, flimsy was the construction of a great part of this road - timber rails with an iron top taking the place of our modern steel - that engineers estimated that it would not be safe for an engine with more than a ton and a quarter weight on each wheel. From the inexperience of the builders it resulted that the Stourbridge Lion actually put a weight of nearly two tons on each wheel, and the locomotive had consequently to be withdrawn.

This disappointment was a great one, not only to the officials of the company but to the whole country-side, which had expected the "wonderful machine" to work marvels for the prosperity of that section. Its trial, indeed, was made the occasion of a public holiday. At first it had been intended to run the Lion for the first time on July 4, 1829, but as the railroad was not completed in time the experiment was postponed to August 8.

On that day a large crowd was on hand see Horatio Allen, the assistant engineer of the company, who had purchased the engine in England, start the locomotive. After running it back and forth a number of times over a short stretch of track, Allen headed for the high trestle over the Lackawaxen Creek.

He took no one with him, for it was considered not at all improbable that the Lion would either plunge through the trestle-work or leave the track at the curve. What actually happened has been described by Allen in a speech on the occasion of the completion of the New York and Erie Railroad in 1831.

"As I placed my hand on the throttle-handle I was undecided whether I would move slowly or with a fair degree of speed; but, believing that the road would prove safe, and preferring, if we did go down, to go down handsomely and without any evidence of timidity, I started with considerable velocity, passed the curve over the creek safely, and was soon out of hearing of the cheers of the large assemblage present. At the end of two or three miles I reversed the valves and returned without accident to the place of starting, having thus made the first railroad trip by locomotive on the Western Hemisphere."

Built by Foster, Rastrick and Company of Stourbridge, England
www.bridge-line.org/blhs/stourbridge_lion.html

Saratoga Springs, August 12, 1932
http://photoswest.org/photos/00007251/00007311.jpg

Real Oldie
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h447_camel-rutland.jpg

A little newer, April 14, 1933 at Montreal
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h609.jpg

The Laurentian at Troy, June 1932
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h652.jpg

Windsor, NY Aug. 1937
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h918.jpg

Probably at Binghampton
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h604.jpg

Binghampton, NY May 1948
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/D&H/d&h1608.jpg

Montreal 1950
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_042_d&h_montreal_ltd_windsor_ontario_station_1950.jpg

Laurentian 1950s
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_041_d&h_laurentian_limited_albany_ny_&_2_nyc_trains.jpg

Laurentian 1969
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_044_d&h_laurentian_lake_champlain_1969.jpg

Freight
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_047_d&h_local_freight_west_waterford_ny_1971.jpg

Rouses Point
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2005071009524311347.jpg&byrail%3A14%3ADelaware_&_Hudson

Exit ramp
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200507251631219024.jpg&byrail%3A9%3ADelaware_&_Hudson

The Bridge Line
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2004072814132311163.jpg&byrail%3A20%

Caboose
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2004122919554223841.jpg&byrail%3A20%3ADelaware_&_Hudson

CM3, thanks for the links. The Hulett unloader is fun to look at. A machine to fit Cleveland. They like things large there, Terminal Tower, Municipal Stadium, Nike missile launcher
http://ech.cwru.edu/Resource/Image/N03.jpg
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:00 PM
THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!
first Posted on page 119

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Delaware and Hudson (D&H)

Headquarters: Albany, NY

Route mileage in 1950: 765 – 2000: 1,381

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 153

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 9,394 Passenger cars – 55

Principal lines in 1950:

Albany-Troy-Mechanicville, NY – Montreal, QC (Napierville Junction Railway trackage Rouses Point, NY-Montreal)
Binghamton-Oswego, NY (Erie trackage)
Nineveh, NY-Wilkes Barre, PA
Hudson-Buttonwood Yard, PA
Delanson-Mechanicville, NY
Schenectady-Balston Spa, NY
Saratoga Springs-Tahawus, NY (U.S. Government trackage North Creek-Tahawus)
Troy-Castleton, VT (B&M trackage Troy-Eagle Bridge, NY)
Whitehall, NY-Rutland, VT
Plattsburg-Lyon Mountain, NY
Plattsburg-Ausable Forks, NY
Fort Ticonderoga-Ticonderoga, NY
Oneonta-Cooperstown, NY
Cobleskill-Cherry Valley, NY

Using CONRAIL trackage in 1976:

Oswego-Buffalo & Niagara Falls, NY
Wilkes Barre-Harrisburg,PA-Washington, DC
Scranton-Allentown, PA-Newark, NJ
Allentown-Philadelphia

Passenger trains of note:

Laurentian (New York-Albany-Montreal)
Montreal Limited (New York-Albany-Montreal)

Of note:
All cars south of Albany handled by NYC.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:20 PM
1st Annual ”Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous!
Toronto, Canada – May 11th – 14th, 2006



Thursday, May 11th: Arrival day –

Check-in at hotel, Brantford, Ontario





Evening social & dinner at the St. George Arms, St. George, Ontario
(Rob – Ted ‘n Tom)




Friday, May 12th: Official Rendezvous Day!
(Rob – Ted ‘n Tom)

- 9:03 AM VIA Rail #70 from Brantford to Toronto (Union Station)



- “Walk about” & brunch at Tim Horton’s



- 12: 13 PM GO Transit train #916 (Lakeshore Corridor) from Union Station to Pickering



- 1:00 PM GO Transit train #917 from Pickering to Union Station

- 2:00 – 4:00 PM: TTC subways (Yellow line) ‘n trolleys (Carlton Street line)



- 4:00 – 5:00 PM “Happy Hour!” (Union Station bistro)

- 5:15 PM VIA Rail #83 from Union Station to Brantford



Evening “business” meeting, awards ceremony, drinks ‘n dinner at the St. George Arms!



Saturday, May 13th: Extra day!
(Heather – Rob – Ted ‘n Tom)


- Late morning brunch followed by visits to the Halton County Steetcar and Electric Railway Museum and Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, Hamilton, Ontario.







Evening awards ceremony for Heather, ‘n dinner at the St. George Arms!




Sunday, May 14th: Getaway Day!
(Ted ‘n Tom)

to Tampa


to St. Louis


Enjoy – we did! [tup]


Tom
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:32 AM
Good morning Sir Tom abd all the ships at sea [swg]. I think a number 3 with an extra large coffee with just a touch of something speacial. ( gotta keep up BK's end while he's away ) What I have read of today's D&H extravaganza so far is it's usual top notch stuff.[tup] I will wade in later today as I haven't time to type it up B4 I head into work .So to the catch up commemnts for the end of yesterday and today so far.

Tom What can i say, loved yesterday's ongoing days in Candian railway history. [tup] Top flight effort as per usual. i will get aroud to a small write up on the Intercolonial and the CGR over the coarse of the summer. Todays's D&H piece is a winnah fer sure fer sure. It and the NYC are my personal fav US roads. I may aquire a few D&H Alco's to sun with my CP one's( just for colour ) They were one of the strogest supporters of Alco, rostering an almost exclusive fleet fight up until the GP38's were purchased. And that Blue and Grey Lightening strip scheme cannot ever be beaten IMHO quite the history there on that railroad for sure.

Ted Thank you for your boosting of the museum,I;m absolutley tickled that I was able to get you ther in person. Better still that the large Witt (2424 or " the beer car " was operable that day ) talk about serendipity. I'm glad that the LP will be usefull in your "sounding" of your garage empire.

Doug Fine info on the resorcefullness and inovation of the D&H. [wow][:o] the preasure on that locomotive is stunning to be sure,espeacially with a smaller locomotive like that. Also I think all computers need to be equiped with that control D extend deadline option [swg]. Thanks for grafting the three of us into the digital either as well. amazing taklent you have for that !

Mr CM3 I'm glad that you were able to "dig" out the info on the D&H's seemingly extensive coal operations, I knew that they handled coal traffic but I had not realized the scope of the operations.

Mike I loved the info on Ike informative as always. And you are right I had never heard of "Snerd" thanks for sharing that as well sir.

Pete I look forward to Alan's further info on those steamers. I can't answer your question definiativly on the + or -'s of the old LOCOTROL equipment in tunnels. I would imagine that the signals were fairly strong. I'm wondering if signal repeaters may have been used to boost the signals inside long tunnels ? Perhaps someone else may have the info required to answer that question.

Till later gents.

Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:00 AM
Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Nineteen


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


Delaware and Hudson Railway (D&H)





Reporting marks: DH

Locale: New York and Pennsylvania

Dates of operation: 1829 – present

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Albany, New York



1886 map

The Delaware and Hudson Railway (D&H) (AAR reporting mark DH) is a subsidiary of the Canadian Pacific Railway, giving it access to New York City and other parts of the northeastern United States. It was formerly an important bridge line, connecting New York with Montreal, Quebec. The company started out as the Delaware and Hudson Canal, running from Kingston, New York on the Hudson River southwest to Port Jervis, New York on the Delaware River and beyond to the anthracite coal fields at Honesdale, Pennsylvania. The canal company later built a railroad, one of the first railroads in the United States, later known as the Delaware and Hudson Company and then the Delaware and Hudson Railroad until 1968. The railroad company has called itself "America's oldest continually operated transportation company".


Delaware and Hudson Canal

The Delaware and Hudson Canal Company was chartered by separate laws in the states of New York and Pennsylvania in 1823, allowing Maurice Wurts and his brother William to construct the canal. The New York law, passed April 23, 1823, incorporated "The President, Managers and Company of the Delaware and Hudson Canal Company", and the Pennsylvania law, passed March 13 of the same year, authorized the company "To Improve the Navigation of the Lackawaxen River". Ground was broken on July 13, 1825, and the canal was opened to navigation in October 1828. The line of the canal began at Rondout Creek at the location known as Creeklocks, between Kingston (where the creek fed into the Hudson River) and Rosendale. From there it proceeded southwest alongside Rondout Creek to Ellenville, continuing through the valley of the Sandburg Creek, Homowack Kill, Basher Kill and Neversink River to Port Jervis on the Delaware River. From there the canal ran northwest on the New York side of the Delaware River, crossing into Pennsylvania on Roebling's Delaware Aqueduct at Lackawaxen and running on the north bank of the Lackawaxen River to Honesdale.

To get the anthracite from the Wurts' mine in the Moosic Mountains near Carbondale to the canal at Honesdale, the canal company built a gravity railroad. The state of Pennsylvania authorized its construction on April 8, 1826. On August 8, 1829, the D&H's first locomotive, the Stourbridge Lion, made history as the first locomotive to run on rails in the United States.

Westward extensions of the railroad opened to new mines at Archibald in 1843, Valley Junction in 1858, Providence in 1860 and Scranton in 1863. Passenger service began west of Carbondale in 1860.

Delaware and Hudson Company

As railroads grew in popularity, the canal company recognized the importance of replacing the canal with a railroad. The first step of this was the Jefferson Railroad, a line from Carbondale north into New York, chartered in 1864, leased by the Erie Railway in 1869 and opened in 1872. This was a branch of the Erie Railway, running south from the main line at Lanesboro to Carbondale. Also built as part of this line was a continuation from the other side of the D&H's gravity railroad at Honesdale southeast to the Erie's Pennsylvania Coal Company railroad at Hawley. The Jefferson Railroad (and through it the Erie) obtained trackage rights over the D&H between its two sections, and the D&H obtained trackage rights to Lanesboro.

The other part of the main line was the Albany and Susquehanna Railroad, which the D&H leased on February 24, 1870, and the connecting Lackawanna and Susquehanna Railroad, chartered in 1867 and opened in 1872. The Albany and Susquehanna provided a line from Albany southwest to Binghamton, while the Lackawanna and Susquehanna split from that line at Nineveh, running south to the Jefferson Railroad at Lanesboro. Also leased in 1870 was the Schenectady and Duanesburg Railroad, connecting the Albany and Susquehanna at Duanesburg to Schenectady, opened in 1872 (as the Schenectady & Susquehanna Railroad until 1873).

In 1870 the Valley Railroad opened, providing a non-gravity line between Scranton and Carbondale.

On March 1, 1871 the D&H leased the Renssalaer and Saratoga Railroad Company, which, along with its leased lines, provided a network stretching north from Albany and Schenectady to Saratoga Springs, and continuing northeast to Rutland, Vermont, as well as an eastern route to Rutland via trackage rights over the Troy and Boston Railroad west of Eagle Bridge. The D&H also obtained a 1/4 interest in the Troy Union Railroad from this lease.

On March 1, 1873 the D&H got the New York and Canada Railroad chartered as a merger of the Whitehall and Plattsburgh Railroad and Montreal and Plattsburg Railroad, which had been owned by the Rutland Railroad. This provided an extension north from Whitehall to the border with Quebec, completed in 1875; a branch opened in 1876 to Rouses Point. Lines of the Grand Trunk Railway continued each of the two branches north to Montreal.

The D&H obtained trackage rights over the Lehigh and Susquehanna Railroad in 1886, extending the main line southwest from Scranton to Wilkes-Barre.

On July 11, 1889 the D&H bought the Adirondack Railway, a long branch line heading north from Saratoga Springs along the Hudson River.

The canal was last used on November 5, 1891, and the gravity railroad closed January 3, 1899. On April 28, 1899 the name was changed to the Delaware and Hudson Company to reflect the lack of a canal, which was sold in June of that year. Between Port Jackson and Ellenville, the right-of-way for the canal was used by the Ellenville and Kingston Railroad, a branch of the New York, Ontario and Western Railway, chartered in 1901 and opened in 1902.

In 1903 the D&H organized the Chateaugay and Lake Placid Railway as a consolidation of the Chateaugay Railroad, Chateaugay Railway and Saranac and Lake Placid Railway. In conjunction with the Plattsburgh and Dannemora Railroad, which had been leased by the Chateaugay Railroad, this formed a long branch from Plattsburgh west and south to Lake Placid.

In 1906 the D&H bought the Quebec Southern Railway and South Shore Railway, merging them into the Quebec, Montreal and Southern Railway. This line ran from St. Lambert, a suburb of Montreal, northeast to Fortierville, most of the way to Quebec City. The D&H sold that line to the Canadian National Railway in 1929.

The D&H incorporated the Napierville Junction Railway in 1906 to continue the line north from Rouses Point to St. Constant Junction near Montreal, Quebec, from which the D&H obtained trackage rights over the Grand Trunk Railway to Montreal. This line opened in 1907, forming part of the shortest route between New York City and Montreal.

In 1912 the D&H incorporated the Wilkes-Barre Connecting Railroad, providing a straighter connection between Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, opened in 1915.

On April 1, 1930 the property of the Delaware and Hudson Company was transferred to the Delaware and Hudson Railroad, incorporated December 1, 1928.

In 1938 the D&H started to act as a bridge line, carrying large amounts of freight between other connecting lines.

Delaware and Hudson Railway

In 1968 the company was reorganized as the Delaware and Hudson Railway, and was bought by Dereco, a holding company that also owned the Norfolk and Western Railway and Erie Lackawanna Railroad. Following the bankruptcy of numerous northeastern U.S. railroads in the 1970s, N&W abandoned Dereco and EL was placed in the federal government's nascent Consolidated Rail Corporation (Conrail), while D&H was again made an independent railroad. The creation of Conrail also saw D&H receive trackage rights over large parts of the Conrail system, which allowed D&H to operate as far south as Philadelphia and Washington, DC, using former Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad and Lehigh Valley Railroad trackage.


Delaware and Hudson Baldwin "Sharknose" #1205 pauses next to one of the railroad's four restored ALCO PA units.
(courtesy: www.trainweb.com)

In 1984, Guilford Rail System purchased the D&H as part of a plan to operate a larger regional railroad from Maine and New Brunswick in the east, to New York and the midwest in the west, Montreal in the north, and the Philadelphia/Washington DC area in the south. For only $500,000, Guilford purchased the entire railroad, lock, stock and barrel. The price tag reflects the horrid financial shape and the condition of the physical plant. At the time of the purchase, the D&H was basically a disaster area with little freight traffic and relying on Federal and State money to keep operating. The plan did not come to fruition and Guilford declared the D&H bankrupt in 1988, abandoning its operation.

With the D&H in limbo, the federal government appointed the New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway to operate the D&H under subsidy until such time as a buyer could be found. Guilford claimed that the D&H had assets of $70M at the time of the bankruptcy. In 1991, the Canadian Pacific Railway purchased the D&H to give the transcontinental system a connection between Montreal and the New York City metropolitan area.

Under CPR, the D&H trackage was upgraded signficantly, although for a time, the D&H was again in limbo as CPR placed it and other money-losing trackage in the eastern U.S. and Canada into a separate operating company named St. Lawrence and Hudson Railway between 1996 and 2000. SL&H was merged back into CPR in recent years and the D&H connection to New York City is starting to prove its worth. The D&H is, and has been, a difficult money making venture for some time. Constructed as a coal hauling route, when that business declined it proved difficult to turn a profit. It operates in some of the most rural areas of New York State, and what few industrial customers it had in the Albany and Binghamton areas are long gone. Currently, the future is looking probably the best that the D&H has seen in a very long time. Along with the NYC connection, haulage agreements with other railroads are greatly increasing traffic. There are also major signal and track projects underway to modernize the D&H, suggesting that the future is bright for what is said to be America's Oldest Continuously Operated Transportation Company.

Nicknamed "The Bridge Line to New England," or just "The Bridge Line," the D&H has several unique spots in North American railroading history:

• A loyal customer of American Locomotive Company, as D&H served Alco's Schenectady, NY headquarters. D&H took part in the development of roller bearing side-rods and high pressure water tube boilers. It was also one of the early railroads to adopt 4-8-4 Northern locomotives for passenger trains, and 4-6-6-4 Challenger locomotives for freight trains.
• During the diesel era, the D&H became famous for its operation of 4 ex-Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway ALCO PA locomotives for its passenger trains, which were painted in the classic D&H blue and grey/silver with a yellow stripe. The railroad applied the same paint scheme to two Baldwin RF-16 locomotives it acquired from the Monongahela Railway in August, 1974.

Branches

• Baltimore Coal and Union Railroad
• Northern Coal and Iron Company
• Plymouth and Wilkes-Barre Railroad and Bridge
• Oak Point Link

Company officers

The presidents of the railway were as follows:

• Philip Hone - 1825-1826.
• John Bolton - 1826-1831.
• John Wurtz - 1831-1858.
• George Talbot Olyphant - 1858-1869.
• Thomas Dickson - 1869-1884.
• Robert M. Olyphant - 1884-1903.
• David Wilcox - 1903-1907.
• Leonor F. Loree - 1907-1938.
• Joseph H. Nuelle - 1938-1954.
• William White - 1954-1967.
• John P. Hiltz, Jr. - 1967.
• Frederick C. Dumaine, Jr. - 1967-1968.
• Frank Wells McCabe - 1968.
• John P. Fishwick - 1968-1970.
• Gregory W. Maxwell - 1970-1972.
• Carl B. Sterzing - 1972-1977.
• Selig Altschul - 1977.
• Charles E. Bertrand - 1977-1978.
• Kent Shoemaker - 1978-1982.

References

• Nobel E. Whitford, History of the Canal System of the State of New York - The Delaware and Hudson Canal (1906)
• Pennsylvania Trains - The Delaware and Hudson Canal Company
• Railroad History Database


Photo Gallery from other sources


D&H ALCO PA1 #19, Windsor Station, Montreal, Canada (foto credit: Gary Overfield)




D&H ALCO PA1 #18 (copyright: Corel Corp.)




D&H Alco RS2 (foto credit: Gary Overfield)




D&H Alco RS11 #5001 (foto credit: unknown)




D&H Alco C420 #410 (foto credit: Bill Mischler)




D&H EMD GP38-2 #7304 (foto credit: Bill Mischler)



Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:06 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Wanswheel – Station is in WV as you thought. I enjoyed the pictures you posted. The Huntington building still stands, although the Amtrak facility is on the other side of the tracks. Also enjoyed the picture of the C&O passenger train along New River – not too far from my fashionable(?) dwelling. The train was probably the Sportsman.

As for The CV, it had better be there. Many happy memories of visits to that line from one end to the other.

Pete – I don’t know how much more electrification will occur in the U.S. Studies were done years ago abt. electrifying the PRR west from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh. There was also a study done about electrifying part of the SP. Nothing ever came of these ideas. The most recent project here was electrifying the former New Haven (now Amtrak NEC) between New Haven and Boston.

B4 I forget, I may have to post our ‘steamed proprietors birthday bash material a little early, but I sure don’t want to miss it, after all he’s done for us.........

Today is D&H day and we have already started.

Here’s a “captains of industry” post (I like doing these) regarding D&H coal loading facilities (with some pictures and other material as well). Check out the fallen flags in here. Also, there’s enough maritime material to keep the salt water folks happy as well.

NYO&W Coal Piers 1 and 2

Location: Weehawken, NJ

Railroad: NYO&W

Length of Pier: 650 feet outside berths, 400 feet middle slip

Type of Dumping Machines:

Two electric telescopic chutes for unloading coal into scows, lighters, deck lighters, barges and other open boats. Capacity 300-500 tons per hour per pier.

Ten conveyor belts (five on each pier) for unloading cars directly into ocean-going vessels (contracted for with outside stevedore). Capacity 500-700 tons per hour per pier.

Pier equipped with mechanical trimmers.

Draft: 34 ft. mean tide.

Notes: These piers are well suited for handling export coal into ocean-going vessels and for loading open boats and barges. The top deck of the trestle is 42 ft. at low tide and 38 ft. at high tide. The storage yard has a working capacity of 200 loaded cars and 350 cars dead storage.

Pier handled coal from mines on the NYO&W, D&H, Erie, L&WV, LNE, CRR of PA.

Check out the following site for additional information
http://www.nyow.org/marine.html

Jersey City Coal Pier 7

Location: Jersey City, NJ

Railroad CRR of NJ

Length of Pier: North side – 1,380 feet.

Can handle steamers with a capacity of up to 10 thousand tons. The pier can berth four steamers at one time, two at the north side of the pier and two at the south side of the pier.

Pier 7 is operated in conjunction with Pier 18, Jersey City, NJ. Coal is loaded into barges at pier 18 and towed to Pier 7, where outside stevedores transfer it by cranes and buckets into steamers...

Pier 18 facilities consist of two McMyler car dumpers with a capacity of 2,000 tons per hour. Three thawing sheds with a capacity of 60 cars and a steam lance thawing platform with a capacity of 26 cars expedites handling in winter months.

Coal handled from the following railroads: Anthracite – CRR of PA, DL&W, D&H, LNE, RDG, West Pittston and Exeter RR.

The McMyler Car dumper (aka Hulett unloader) is a fascinating beast. The following site will tell you some about Hulett – you can follow other links from here to look at the loaders. I know this focuses on the Great Lakes, but the technology was similar.

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/SpecColl/glihc/articles/ghhulbio.html

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 15 May 2006, 05:56:54 (330) Century & Broadway observations, etc.

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 May 2006, 07:59:29 (331) Left Coast visit

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 May 2006, 08:05:24 (331) NYC streamlined obs

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 May 2006, 08:07:12 (331) Checking in!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 15 May 2006, 08:16:46 (331) WVA Report!

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 15 May 2006, 08:33:12 (331) Checking in!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 May 2006, 08:41:57 (331) Monday’s Info & Catch-up Summary

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 May 2006, 09:58:57 (331) PRR streamlined obs

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 May 2006, 10:08:18 (331) Daylite Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 May 2006, 10:41:54 (331) Classic Diesels #23 – Rebuilds #3

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 May 2006, 11:00:59 (331) Catch-up

(12) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 15 May 2006, 12:51:12 (331) Catch-up

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 May 2006, 15:54:18 (331) Events in Canadian RR History (May)

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 May 2006, 16:01:45 (331) GN Streamlined obs

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 15 May 2006, 17:38:31 (331) Gen. Eisenhower & 20th Century Ltd, URLs, etc.

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 May 2006, 18:56:59 (331) Acknowledgments & Comments

(17) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 15 May 2006, 20:04:18 (331) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) pwolfe Pete Posted: 15 May 2006, 20:57:10 (331) Inclusive Post, etc.



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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:28 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

My 1st contribution to todays D&H theme.

DELAWARE
&
HUDSON
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The D&H LAURENTIAN and ADIRONDACK were the only two passenger trains to ever achieve streamliner status on that railroad. Both trains operated between Montreal and New York daily. Both trains operated into New York City from Albany over the New York Central later Penn Central. The D&H owned six American Car & Foundry built 76 revenue seat Coaches delivered new in the fall of 1939. These cars were classed as semi streamlined as they were built with double vestibules and the roofs of these cars tapered down at the ends. Post war the NYC in the late 1940s provided streamlined Parlor observations and Dining cars for the LAURENTIAN between New York City and Montreal.

76 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry October – November, 1939 (Built for and assigned to LAURENTIAN)

201 – 206

The D&H would not purchase additional streamlined equipment of their own until October 1967 and those cars were purchased used from the Denver & Rio Grande Western who had originally purchased the cars from the large C&O order of 1950. Of the twelve cars purchased by the D&H five were 52 revenue seat Coaches. The Grande Gold and Black was replaced by D&H Blue and Yellow a paint scheme just as striking as there former paint scheme.

52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard, 1950 (Sold to D&H in October, 1967 by D&RGW for service in LAURENTIAN and ADIRONDACK)

21 originally D&RGW 1241

22 originally D&RGW 1242

23 originally D&RGW 1243

24 originally D&RGW 1244

25 originally D&RGW 1245

Four used 68 revenue seat Coaches were purchased used from the Erie-Lackawanna in March 1970 and repainted and renumbered for D&H service.

68 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry April – June 1949 (Sold to D&H by E-L in March, 1970 for General Service)

31 ex E-L 1302 originally DL&W 302

32 ex E-L 1303 originally DL&W 303

33 ex E-L 1309 originally DL&W 309

34 ex E-L 1313 originally DL&W 313

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:57 AM
Good Tuesday mornin' to one and all. Tom, the French Cream Horns are looking mighty good and a cuppa Juan Valdez should do it for me, thanks. Hey Pete, thank you so much for the "Steam Railway" issue of July-August 2003. I'm not nearly finished reading but the pix of the Stainer 'Pacific' #6201 Princess Elizabeth ahead of the Irish Mail is the cat's a...! [^] Also, '0149', 2-6-2 No. 69 hauling 4 double decker coaches on the Poznan-Wolsztyn in Poland is poetry in motion. More comments to follow and thank you again for the thoughtful gift. May I interject at this point that any folks who ever venture up Toronto way; the Raidial (traction) museum where Rob hangs his motorman's cap is "must see." P.C.C.'s, Jewett, both full and "half Witts" (Peter Witt) cars abound. And as Tom mentioned traction cars, box cabs and ROW work units languish in various states of restoration all about the attractive grounds. For me personally, it was nearly a spiritual revelation to ride the Witt cars again, these 60 years hence.[^] Cap'n Tom noticed the special stone work on a street section which one of the members has effected entirely "on his own." That friends, is dedication and the effect is alluring.[tup] Canadian rail: GO, Via is in "the best of hands" so far as I can tell. Street rail and the T.T.C. subway systemsare clean, effecient and inexpensive. Rob, "The Sound of Street Cars" L.P., which I'm listening to now, captures all the clanks, clinks and groans of that era to a "tee." I'll be using the sound track piped into the garage HO layout in addition to the steam era sounds already present. Mike the pix of the D. D. Eisenhower are the best to date I've seen, thanks. Imagine a President dedicating a new passenger train? I'll bet there are rheems of literature on the British counterparts to U.S. rail during W.W. II. And, all of those logistical nightmares along with being bombed 24/7 during the Blitz.[:O] It boggles one's mind.

"Duty calls," as the balance of this 5 day week grinds on. Tom, Im looking forward to Sunday Photo Posting Day and more digital wizardry from "Big T." Oh yes, I must speak to Nick [C=:-)] about the possibility of adding Bangers and Ma***o the menu on a regular basis; a great Anglo culinary tradition with surprising gastro intestinal side effects.[:I] Happy rails everyone.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:55 AM
Good morning Tom and fellow train admirers. I'll have the usual two lite breakfasts, and some reading glasses to help me catch-up on all the material posted yesterday! Terrific Steamliners on the NYC, PRR and GN AL! Are you growing more fingers? Excellent piece on Eisenhower's 20th Century inauguration speech Mike. I still have to get the rest of that article typed! ANother nice post from Rob on the diesel rebuild series, and thanks for your comments. Thanks also to CM3, Peter and Ted for their comments as well.

Well, it's good to have the captain back at the helm, toting that barge after posting his bail, and posting more Canadian history. Glad to have you safe and back!

Here's a little something from me on today's theme:



The Delaware & Hudson under the presidency of Leonor F. Loree was a relentless innovator and explorer of the limits of steam technology. The culmination of a number of experiments was the No. 1403 shown here, designed by John Muhleld, named for Loree and built at Schenectady in 1933 by the American Locomotive Co.

The 4-8-0 had a very high boiler pressure, 500 pounds per square inch, and was equipped with a triple-expansion, opposed-cylinder drive. The high-pressure cylinder was beneath the engineer’s side of the cab, the medium-pressure cylinder beneath the fireman, and th two front cylinders operated at low pressure. All cylinders drove on the same driver, and all were regulated by rotary-cam poppet valve gear. When operated in simple mode on starting, with the tender booster (an appliance invented by the D&H) operating, this locomotive could exert 108,000 pounds of tractive effort, as much as many articulateds.

The heart of the D&H high-pressure experimentals was their modified water-tube boiler (strictly speaking, a water-tube firebox), a type standard in both ships and stationary power plants. But in railroad service, with rapidly and frequently fluctuating power demand, the water-tube type did not hold up as well as conventional fire-tube designs. The D&H experimentals exerted their power smoothly and efficiently, but the water-tube boilers needed frequent repair. A D&H veteran said, “every time we sent her out, a machine shop had to go with her.” None of D&H’s several high-pressure experiments were ever duplicated. Other railroads which tried water-tube boilers, notably Baltimore and Ohio, found similar results.

After Loree’s retirement in 1938, the railroad turned to much more conventional Alco 4-8-4 and 4-6-6-4 power to wind up the steam era. These locomotives shared little of the legacy of the experimentals except their clean external lines and, a D&H trademark, recessed headlights. This D&H photo was taken in March, 1935, at the road’s Colonie, N.Y. shop, just north of Albany.

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Posted by pwolfe on Monday, May 15, 2006 8:57 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round please.

Great start to the week at the bar with DOUG's NYC and Pennsy observation cars. I had thought that the Broadway Limited was named after the New York throughfare not the four track main line.
It showed the standing the railroads had in those days with the President attending the launch of the new train.[^].
Loved the link to the swimming pool.

Then three great posts by AL on the Streamlined Observation Cars of the NYC Pennsey and the Great Northern[tup]. What is a Mars light by the way[?].

Observation Cars were not very common in the UK although two that were used on the Coronation the LNER non-stop run between London and Edinburgh have been preserved and are being renovated. The cars were known as beaver tails as they were shaped to match the streamlined front of Gresleys A4 pacifics that hauled the Coronation. The presevered cars were modified for use on the scenic West Highland Line in Scotland but it is hoped to have one of the cars in original condition.

CM3 I wonder if there will be any more large electrification of lines. Unfortunalty it seems to have fallen out of favor at the present time [V].

TED Glad to have you back at the bar[^][tup] although it sounds like Tom and your flights could have been better. I am not looking forward to my flight back to the old land.
Really glad you all had such a great time in Toronto.I hope we can all meet in St Louis next year. I totally agree on what you said on meeting Tom.
Yes BORIS and I get on quite well after he helped me brew the ales for the 1st anniversary of Our Place

ROB Glad you liked the RAIL mag. Alan sends me them about once a month along with some letters from over there. Alan is going to send some descriptions of the Narrow Guage locos this week, when he arrived back from the steam tour in Ireland it was the local Real Ale festival so the e-mail has been delayed [:-^].We also should get some pics of Irish Railways[tup]
Many thanks for the kind words and TED's but DOUG and Al kept the bar going.

Very Interesting on the RC Control of the helper locos using old locos to recieve the signal. The remote control loco at the rear of a long coal train was one of the first things I noticed on N.American railways. I wonder how the signal is kept through tunnels etc [?].

MIKE Thanks for the President Eisenhower speech I found it very interesting I will have something soon on the loco class with a engine named after the General.
Great Links again.

TOM Great to have you back behind the bar [tup][tup][tup].I dont think the bar was damaged too much mainly thanks to CINDY who has even the roughest track gang member eating out of her hand and of course there is LEON.
AWK and TEX pined a bit at first.

Thanks for Canadian RR history for May. Interesting how the driver of the first train in Ontario also drove the first one into Kansas City.
Where I worked in Rugby there was a chap who worked there who was an engine driver until steam finished, he told me that one of the stokers on the Royal Scot's tour of N. America became a locomotive inspector and passed out the new stokers.
On the Royal Scos return to the UK a new nameplate was fitted which told of the N.American tour and named the loco crew who accompanied her.
Royal Scot is being restored to working order at the present but in the re-built form when she acquired a tapered boiler.
Looking forward to the Delaware & Hudson tomorrow[tup]. PETE.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 15, 2006 8:04 PM
Hi again to the members and patrons of "Our" Place. I'll take a rain check on the several rounds in the offing if I may. Tom, the pix of Rendesvous 2006 are outstanding and, as it appears from Doug's "dark room", so are the 3 of us. I would've missed the nuance but for the guy in the center having such a case of "knocked knees." Mike, the poignant shot of the youngster standing in awe of the steam loco could well be any of our senior members of that era. Taken as a total effort, the URL's are a very special addition to the variety and diversity of the Thread, thanks so much.[^]

Pete, Doug, Al, let me join the rest in the well deserved accolades for a first rate job in "pulling together" to make our favorite refuge cohesive and continuous. It's really remarkable how you guys "pinched hit" during Tom and Rob's absence.[tup] X infinity. I had better "strike while the iron is still hot" regarding the first Rendesvous, 2006. The awards ceremony at the St. George Arms was totally unexpected by Rob, Heather and me. I know we will always be reminded of the spendid time those 3 days brought to us both personally and intellectually. It makes the case for wider participation that much more compelling for the next Rendesvous. How often did one or the other of us say: wouldn't Al, Doug, Pete, Nick, CM3 (or any number of members) get a kick out seeing this or that prototype rolling stock. Hopefully, that will be a pipe dream come true next time.

So much has been covered on the Canadian passenger rail "connection," the U.P., the C.B.Q., W.P. Zephyrs and now N.Y.Central and Pensy varnish, that only repetition is left for a follow up. Being that tomorrow is an early start on the "treadmill to oblivion" for me, allow me to take early leave with the proviso of returning with more meaningful dialogue when I can get a handle on better time scheduling. For the present, here is a toast to everyone who makes this creation of Tom's the "jewel in the crown" among all other forums. Speaking of whom; guess what Thursday the 18th of May is? That's right, the blast of the year- -Cap'n Tom's 68 years young [bday] bash. From 7:00 p.m. Central til...we celebrate (after our own fashion) that "day of days" with as much pomp or debauchery as our imaginations can provide. Please keep this day in mind and don't be left out in the cold. So long for now and happy rails to all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 15, 2006 6:56 PM
G'day!

A hearty hello to Ted 'n Al 'n Mike along with a THANX for stopping by! [tup] [tup]

Appears as if you are back in "form," Al and from your words on a past Post, thinking of taking that Toronto trip after all. Good for you! [tup]

Ted Catch up is worth the effort - there's all kinds of "stuff" to enjoy! Remember, as we discussed, this time is for YOU - make the most of it! [tup] Also, go ahead and "imbibe" - after all we're talkling 'bout cyber space - cyber booze and cyber brew! Indulge, man, indulge - what's the harm[?] [swg]

Mike So much to make comment on with your outstandng submission. Let me just say that I thoroughly enjoyed the comments you provided from Gen. Eisenhower on the occasion of the 20th Century Ltd's 1948 ceremony at Grand Central Terminal. Wish I could say I was there - but wasn't! Anyway, one place I was at was WINS. Alan Freed came to NYC in September 1954 - I was a junior in high school at the time and had been listening to Rythm & Blues for about 2 years previous . . . Freed coined the term Rock 'n Roll and that's what it's been ever since. Of course it has "morphed" considerably from those days - now I call it Rock 'n Roar, with emphasis on the Roar! [swg]

Mortimer Snerd and Edgar Bergen arrived on scene in 1939. My guess is Mortimer remained "alive 'n well" long after the passing of Bergen in 1978 . . .

Okay guys, appreciate the interaction and hope to see a repeat in the AM!! [swg]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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