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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:27 PM


Ah ha! Yesy I admit it was me who arranged for the patch. It was an E-Bay acquisition, and the seller agreed to mail it directly to you (as long as I agreed that you would also buy a dozen magazine subscriptions), and keep my name out of it completely! What a great guy!! Anyhow ..glad to hear that you got it. Here's what his little blurb said about the: Canadian National Railway-Conductor Locomotive Operator - Cloth Patch.

"CLO's are Conductor's that are qualified to operate locomotives for short distances/times, thus giving the Locomotive Engineer a food/bathroom break.
They take a similar but abbreviated Locomotive Engineer's training course."

Is any of this true? I dunno, but it sounded true, so I bought it.

Hey ...I think the party is starting to get out of control......
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:23 PM
Hiya Mike!

Many THANX for those URLs - I will check 'em all out! [tup] Noted that the May 18th, 1938 scoreboard had "my" Dodgers of Brooklyn losing to the Cardinals of St. Louis - a two-team city back then! Just for the record: Philadelphia had the Athletics and the Phillies - Boston had the Red Sox and the Braves - New York had the Yankees, Dodgers & Giants - St. Louis had the Cardinals and Browns and of course Chicago had the White Sox and Cubs. Just 8 teams in each league - no playoffs unless there was a tie at the end of the season. If that happened, the American League played one game to determine the winner, whereas the National League used a 2 out of 3 format. [swg]

Thanx again and glad you made it in . . . . [tup]

Tom'[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:16 PM
Hey Doug

So it WAS YOU!! The patch arrived in the mail on Tuesday and I racked my brain wondering who in blazes the guy in Alberta who sent it to me could possibly be. Then the "trained investigator" in me came through - yes 12 weeks of resident training back in 1975 - and I figured that it had to come from here. Why? Because of the address "anomoly" that only I know about and only those of you involved in the RR Book Relay! would have! [swg] THANX very much - a nice suprise (with a twist, fer sure, fer sure!) and something I'll add to my Can-Am Trainroom display area! [tup]

Let's have a drink!!!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:14 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014466.jpg PRR electric train, engine number 4767, engine type GE 2-C-2 (P5A) Train #22, Manhattan Ltd.; 15 cars, 60 MPH. Photographed: Colonia, N.J., August 21, 1933.

http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014462.jpg PRR electric train, engine number 4718, engine type BLW-WESTHSE 2-C-2 (P5A) Passenger train; 8 cars. Photographed: near Stelton, N.J., August 19, 1937

http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014469.jpg PRR electric train, engine number 4811, engine type GE 2-C+C-2 (GG1) Train #132, passenger train; 12 cars. Photographed: leaving Washington, D.C., August 6, 1936.

http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014473.jpg PRR electric train, engine number 4839, engine type PRR 2-C+C-2 (GG1) Train #173, The Federal; 12 cars. Photographed: at Washington, D.C., August 3, 1939

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?11005699+Z-5699 View of a California Zephyr train on Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad tracks at the east portal of the Moffat Tunnel in Gilpin County, Colorado. Passenger observation cars read: "Silver Bronco," "D.& R.G.W." and "C.B.& O." "Moffat Tunnel, 1923, 1927" is carved in the arch above the tunnel.

http://photoswest.org/photos/00007626/00007723.jpg D&RGW locomotive (Narrow Gauge), engine number 493, engine type 2-8-2 Three-quarter view of right side of engine, from front end. Photographed: Salida, Colo., May 18, 1938

SCOREBOARD MAY 18, 1938
Cleveland Indians 7, Philadelphia Athletics 2 at League Park
Washington Senators 5, Detroit Tigers 1 at Tiger Stadium
New York Yankees 11, St. Louis Browns 7 at Sportsman's Park
Boston Braves 2, Pittsburgh Pirates 1 at Braves Field
St. Louis Cardinals 12, Brooklyn Dodgers 4 at Ebbets Field
Chicago Cubs 4, New York Giants 2 at Polo Grounds

That Wonderful Year
http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/cane3804.Html

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21940 Staten
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21942 Island
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21948 Rapid
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21965 Transit
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21968 S.I.R.T

New Haven RS11's 1411 & 1412 in a McGinnis paint scheme of black and orange lead a passenger train past the signals at New London, CT on July 1, 1956. http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib003/NH1411.GIF

Semper Paratus
http://www.nosc.mil/sti/visualmedia/photos/images/tallships/Eagle.jpg
http://www.fredsplace.org/images/eagle/eagle.jpg

[bday]Happy Birthday Tom
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:11 PM
Hey Guys!

Just thought of something as I've watched several of you "peeking in." Don't forget to use the RELOAD/REFRESH feature - repeatedly if you want to get the MOST CURRENT POSTS! Simply logging on and "stting there" isn't going to do it.

Pete Appreciate those "custom" brews . . . very clever indeed! Also, received your card 'n gifts in the mail today! THANX - very, very thoughtful of you and your bride! [tup]

As I said ealier in the day, I WILL READ everything Posted today - just haven't had the time so far. And yes - the ballgame was a good one and of course we appreciated the win! That's 2 out of 3 from the Mets - a very good team, fer sure, fer sure!

Cindy I'll have a Keiths thanx! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:10 PM


Hey Hey! I see the Birthday Boy is here!! Happy Birthday Tom!

By the way ...does this look familiar?


Just wonderin' ...and now ..let me buy you a drink!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM
G'day Gents!

68 isn’t old – it’s ANCIENT! [swg]

Many THANX to:
Nick – Doug – Ted – Lars – Pete – CM3 – Rob ‘n Al for the [bday] wishes throughout the day! [tup]

Now that the “appointed hour” has arrived – let the Bash begin! [yeah]

From the looks of the place, some of you have been working “under cover” and overtime in order to create such a festive look. Boris ‘n Leon in their “dress overalls – with cummerbunds” – the gals in their finest Victoria’s Secret almost-attire – and even Awk ‘n Tex decked out in B’day finery! [swg]

I’ll just strap myself into this fine custom stool that Count Robulla ‘n the H&H gals gave me and await the “action!” [tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:22 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and Happy Birthday. Sorry I have to miss the B'Day bash but will try and give you a post close to your heart as my gift from me. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

PENNSYLVANIA
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

Known as the standard railroad of the world the PRR earned that reputation for good reason. Take the case of the K4 Pacific for example the PRR built two prototypes and after a lengthy testing program that worked out any and all problems they were ordered into production and built hundreds of these locomotives. They became the standard passenger power for trains outside the northeast corridor. They could be found at the head of nearly every passenger train operating outside the electrified territory one could find a K4 on the front and if one wasn’t enough the PRR never hesitated to double head K4 locomotives on the heavy mail trains and Holiday consists swelled with extra cars. In the electrified territory the PRR operated the famous GG 1 electric’s at the head of every important passenger train. They were capable of pulling twenty car trains of heavyweight cars unassisted but even the GG1 was double headed between New York and Washington on the heavy winter Pullman trains to and from Florida.
Never a railroad to do things on less than a grand scale the PRR inaugurated four streamlined trains on the same date June 15, 1938. These were the pride of the Pennsylvania’s all Pullman BROADWAY LIMITED between New York and Chicago. The all-Pullman SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS between New York and St. Louis nightly in both directions. The all-Pullman LIBERTY LIMITED between Washington and Chicago. The last of the 1938 streamliners was the GENERAL another all Pullman train between New York and Chicago.
The PRR would operate six coach streamliners over their lines before WW II, two of these would operate over the PRR only between New York and Washington where they would continue beyond by the owning roads or other operating partners in the service. These trains were the Southern Railways SOUTHERNER and the Seaboard Airline’s SILVER METEOR. Following the war the PRR would own coaches operating in the ACL CHAMPIONS another New York – Florida train.

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company November 1939 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR)

4015 – 4017

56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard March 1941 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERNER)

4030 NEW YORK

4031 NEW JERSEY

4032 PENNSYLVANIA

The PRR would introduce there first all coach streamliner the TRAIL BLAZER July 28, 1939 between New York and Chicago daily in both directions. The TRAIL BLAZER originally was assigned a 17-hour schedule in either direction overnight. For this service the PRR completely streamlined and refurbished fifty old heavyweight coaches in the roads famed Altoona shops and renumbered them 4310 –4359. At the same time as work was progressing on the coaches four old heavyweight dining cars were being rebuilt and streamlined into two twin unit dining cars. One of each pair of cars contained the Kitchen and Crew Dormitory space while the second car of the pair was the 68 seat Dining Room car. Dormitory –Kitchen car 8019 operated coupled to Dining Room Car 8020 in one TRAIL BLAZER consist and Dormitory – Kitchen 8021 operated coupled to Dining Room Car 8022 ran in the other TRAIL BLAZER consist.
The PRR Altoona shops also rebuilt two old heavyweight coaches into streamlined Boat tail observations with Buffet and lounge seating for the TRAIL BLAZERS numbered 1120 and 1121. The last two cars rebuilt from heavyweights and streamlined for the TRAIL BLAZERS were a pair of Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars for the head end numbers 4931 and 4950. The TRAIL BLAZERS generally ran as eighteen car trains in the early years of operation. The excess streamlined 68 seat coaches were assigned to other trains in the early years of operation, and were replaced by 56 revenue seat refurbished and streamlined heavyweight coaches in 1940. The PRR then assigned the 68 seat coaches initially to another PRR streamlined all coach train the JEFFERSONIAN between New York and St. Louis in the spring of 1941.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR Altoona Shops July 1939 (Heavyweights refurbished and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER)

4931 and 4950

68-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR Altoona Shops May – August 1939 (Heavyweights refurbished and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER and General Service)

4310 – 4359

21-CREW DORMITORY – KITCHEN CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR Altoona Shops June 1939 from 36 seat heavyweight diners (Heavyweights rebuilt and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER)

8019, 8021

68-SEAT DINING ROOM CARS WITH 4 SEAT WAITING AREA Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR Altoona shops June 1939 from heavyweight 36 seat Dining cars (Heavyweight Dining car rebuilt and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER)

8020, 8022

BUFFET 56-seat LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR Altoona Shops from heavyweight Coaches in June 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweight for TRAIL BLAZER)

1120 originally heavyweight coach 7777

1121 originally heavyweight coach 8930

At the same time Altoona Shops was busy with the cars for the TRAIL BLAZER they were also rebuilding and streamlining four heavyweight dining cars into two unit dining car sets. These differed from those built for the TRAIL BLAZER as the Crew Dormitory area in those cars was replaced by an 18 seat Lunch Counter These two cars were Lunch Counter – Kitchen cars and were numbered 8023 and 8024. The 68 seat Dining Rooms cars that were coupled to these cars were 8024 and 8026; they were identical to those rebuilt for the TRAIL BLAZER trains. These cars were completed in July 1939 and assigned to trains operating between New York and Washington during meal hours. At the same time the excess 68 seat coaches rebuilt and streamlined for the TRAIL BLAZER were assigned to trains operating in the same corridor as they could be easily called up if needed for use in the TRAIL BLAZER. The PRR realized they would have to do something about the 68-revenue seat coaches operating in the TRAIL BLAZERS as rival NYC had ordered nearly 100 new streamlined 56 revenue seat Coaches for their PACEMAKER coach streamliners between New York and Chicago. The PRR made a decision to rebuild and streamline another forty-one heavyweight coaches to 56-revenue seat streamlined Coaches for assignment to the TRAIL BLAZER trains. The cars were completed between March and June 1940 by Altoona Shops with the numbers 4269 – 4309 assigned and immediately replaced the 68 seat coaches in the TRAIL BLAZER trains.

18-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to New York – Washington trains)

8023, 8025

68-SEAT DINING ROOM CARS WITH 8-SEAT WAITING AREA Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt for and assigned to New York – Washington trains)

8024, 8026

56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March – July 1940 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to TRAIL BLAZER trains)

4269 – 4309

The PRR decided to give passengers traveling from New York City to St. Louis their own all coach streamliner in the spring of 1941 to be named the JEFFERSONIAN. Initially the PRR assigned streamlined heavyweight 68 revenue seat Coaches in the 4310 – 4359 series and 56 revenue seat Coaches from the 4269 – 4309 series. Four streamlined Buffet Observations were rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops from Heavyweight coaches in October – November 1940 in anticipation of the new JEFFERSONIAN trains. These four cars were identical to those rebuilt and streamlined for the earlier TRAIL BLAZER. As only three consists were needed for the JEFFERSONIAN trains to maintain daily service the fourth was operated as a spare for either train. The JEFFERSONIAN”S were inaugurated April 27, 1941. The streamlined Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge cars 6701 - 6703 for the JEFFERSONIAN trains were not completed in time for the trains inaugural and heavyweights operated in the trains until their completion by Altoona Shops in August 1941.
An additional twenty-five 56 revenue seat Coaches rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweights were completed by Altoona Shops in December, 1941numbers 4244 – 4258. These cars were added to the TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN pool of cars.
The PRR assigned streamlined 48 seat Dining cars to the JEFFERSONIAN train sets from the 4500 – 4517 series skipping the number 4513. These seventeen 48 seat dining cars were constructed in 1939 for service by Budd 4500-4506, American Car & Foundry 4507-4511, and Pullman Standard 4512, 4514-4517. They were assigned to long distance trains and the JEFFERSONIAN was just one of the trains they were assigned to.
The PRR received a series of 60-revenue seat stainless steel coaches from Budd between March and November 1939 numbered 4000 – 4014. A second order of these cars came from Budd in November - –December 1940 numbered 4018 – 4029. These two groups of Budd built cars were hardly recognizable as Budd built stainless steel cars as they were fully painted in the Tuscan Red paint scheme. If one were close enough to see the fluted sides they would be able to recognize the cars as Budd built. These cars were assigned to General Service and often could be found in the JEFFERSONIAN, TRAIL BLAZER and SOUTH WIND consists when these trains needed extra capacity. The JEFFERSONIAN trains became eighteen to twenty cars in length almost from the beginning of WWII and in order to feed the hungry passengers the Altoona Shops rebuilt and streamlined three additional twin unit-dining sets in June 1943. These were 21 Crew Dormitory Kitchen Cars 8027, 8029, 8031 operated with 68 seat Dining room cars 8028, 8030, and 8031.
In June 1941 the Altoona Shops released two additional Buffet Lounge Observations for assignment to the RED BIRD the PRR overnight trains between New York and Detroit. The RED BIRD carried Sleeping cars forward and the coaches to the rear and the Buffet Lounge Observation was assigned to Coach passengers. These two Buffet Lounge Observations were assigned numbers 1127 and 1128 and had originally been heavyweight coaches before rebuilding. The RED BIRD was assigned 68 seat Coaches for the coach section of those trains. Altoona Shops rebuilt and streamlined three Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge cars in March 1942 and assigned them to the all Pullman SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS on the New York – St. Louis run numbers 6704 – 6706.
Altoona Shops rebuilt and streamlined seven Baggage 36 revenue seats Coach combination numbers 5100 – 5106 in March 1942. These cars were assigned to trains operating in the Boston – New York – Washington corridor. Three additional Buffet Lounge Observations were rebuilt and streamlined from coaches and numbered 1129 – 1131. Two of the three Observations the last Round end observations built for PRR service were assigned to the ADMIRAL between Philadelphia and Chicago and the third was held as a spare for any of the trains while their regularly assigned observation was shopped.
Still needing additional modern coaches the Altoona Shops rebuilt and streamlined fifty 68-revenue seat coaches 4194-4243. These cars were assigned to General Service and assigned mostly to trains operating longer distances but many were operated in the corridor as well.

BUFFET 56 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined from Coaches in Altoona Shops October – November 1940 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the JEFFERSONIAN)

1122 originally heavyweight Coach 1706

1123 originally heavyweight Coach 1795

1124 originally heavyweight Coach 1667

1125 originally heavyweight Coach
1833

BUFFET 56 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweight Coaches by Altoona Shops June 1941 Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the RED BIRD)

1126 originally heavyweight Coach 1604

1127 originally heavyweight Coach
1428

BAGGAGE 12 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops August 1941 (Rebuilt and streamlined for JEFFERSONIAN)

6701-6703

56-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops December1941 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to JEFFERSONIAN – TRAIL BLAZER pool)

4244 – 4268

BAGGAGE 15 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)

6704 – 6706

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to New York – Washington trains principally)

5100 – 5106

68 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops May – August 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to long distance trains in a general service pool)

4194 – 4243

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company March – November 1939 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

4000 – 4014

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company November – December 1940 (Built for and assigned to General service)

4018 – 4029

BUFFET 56 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweight Coaches by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt for and assigned to ADMIRAL)

1129 originally heavyweight Coach 1651

1130 originally heavyweight Coach 1639

1131 originally heavyweight Coach
1668

The PRR Altoona Shops would rebuild and streamline eighteen additional heavyweight cars between January and April 1943 before wartime restrictions finally stopped the rebuilding and streamlining of cars. There was six Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combinations 5107 – 5112 assigned to New York Washington trains.
Six heavyweight Dining cars were rebuilt and streamlined into three paired sets one car with a 21 Crew Dormitory and Kitchen the other a 68 seat Dining Room Car. These pairs 8027-8028, 8029-8030, and 8031-8032 were assigned to the long distance pool before becoming permanent fixtures during the war in the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.
The Altoona Shops also rebuilt four additional heavyweight Dining cars into two pairs one car having a Kitchen 18 seat Lunch Counter the other a 68 seat Dining Room. These four cars 8033-8034, and 8035-8036 were assigned to trains in the Washington – New York corridor during mealtime hours. Work on all ten dining cars was completed during April 1943.
The final two cars streamlined by Altoona Shops in April 1943 were two Baggage 21 Crew Dormitory cars 6707 and 6708 for assignment o the GENERAL replacing smaller heavyweight Baggage Crew Dormitory cars.
The PRR had one additional streamlined coach in service prior to WW II that should be mentioned. This coach was a one of a kind type something the PRR rarely became involved with. The Car was built by Pressed Steel Car Company in August 1940 as a demonstrator for display at the New York World’s Fair and was numbered 1940. The 80 seat Coach was purchased by the PRR in April 1942 and after painting in PRR colors was renumbered 4045 and assigned to service operating in the New York – Washington corridor. The PRR purchased no further cars from this manufacturer who was out of the car building business before the war was really underway.

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops from heavyweights between January – April 1943 (Rebuilt and streamlined for New York – Washington trains)

5107 – 5112

21-CREW DORMITORY – KITCHEN CARS Rebuilt and Streamlined in Altoona Shops from Heavyweights in April 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to Long Distance services and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)

8027,8029, 8031

68 SEAT DINING ROOM CARS WITH 4 SEA WAITING AREA Rebuilt and streamlined by PRR shops from heavyweights April 1943 (Rebuilt and streamlined for long distance services and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS 8034 – 8036 assigned to Washington – New York trains)

8028, 8030, 8032, 8034, 8036

18 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Sops from heavyweights April 1943 (Rebuilt and streamlined for New York – Washington trains)

8033 – 8035

BAGGAGE 21 CREW DORMITORY CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops from heavyweights in April, 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to GENERAL)

6707 – 6708

80 REVENUE SEAT COACH Pressed Steel Car Company August 1940 (Built as demonstrator sold to PRR in April 1942 assigned to Washington – New York trains)

4045 originally Pressed Steel car demonstrator 1940

The only all-new prewar all coach streamliner owned by the PRR was the SOUTHWIND. The SOUTHWIND was a seven-car Coach streamliner built by Budd for the PRR for service between Chicago and Miami. The SOUTHWIND was one of three all coach seven car streamliners to enter service on the 17th, 18th, and 19th of December 1940 between Chicago and Miami each by a different route and each owned by a different railroad.
The first to enter service leaving Chicago was the FEC owned DIXIE FLAGLER departing over the C&EI to Evansville, between Evansville and Nashville the DIXIE FLAGLER operated on the L&N. Between Nashville and Atlanta the DIXIE FLAGLER operated over the rails of the NC&STL. The AB&C a subsidiary of the Atlantic Coast Line carried the DIXIE FLAGLER to Waycross where they handed the train over to parent ACL who forwarded the train to Jacksonville. From Jacksonville the train operated over FEC rails and with FEC diesel power to Miami. In fact the part of the trip between Jacksonville and Miami was the only part all three trains operated behind diesel power. Each operating road provided a streamlined or conventional steam engine over their parts of the routes of the DIXIE FLAGLER and SOUTHWIND. Only the IC owned CITY OF MIAMI operated with diesel power for the entire distance between Chicago and Miami.
The second train to enter service between Chicago and Miami on the eighteenth of December 1940 was the IC CITY OF MIAMI. The IC train operated over home rails between Chicago and Birmingham, the CofG between Birmingham and Albany, Georgia, and the ACL between Albany and Jacksonville. From Jacksonville to Miami the train operated over the FEC. The IC diesel operated through from Chicago to Miami.
The PRR owned SOUTHWIND began service on the 19th of December from Chicago over the longest of the three routes. The train operated over home rails between Chicago and Louisville where it was handed over to the L&N who operated the SOUTHWIND to Montgomery, from there to Jacksonville the ACL operated the SOUTHWIND. And once again between Jacksonville and Miami the SOUTHWIND operated over the FEC. The three trains operating over very different routes provided daily service between end points in each direction.
The oldest of the three streamlined seven car Coach streamliners was the DIXIE FLAGLER that had originally entered FEC daily round trip service between Miami and Jacksonville as the HENRY M. FLAGLER. This service began December 3, 1939 and was a dismal failure almost from the start. This was the primary reason the train became the DIXIE FLAGLER on December 17, 1940. Both the DIXIE FLAGLER and SOUTHWIND were seven car COACH streamliners built by Budd. The IC CITY OF MIAMI was a seven-car streamliner from Pullman Standard. The DIXIE FLAGLER retained its stainless steel exterior while the PRR train and IC trains were both painted even though the former was stainless steel under the PRR paint. The SOUTHWINDS cars were numbered only, the CITY OF MIAMI cars were numbered and named and the DIXIE FLAGLERS cars were named only. All three trains were very similar in interior arrangements and appointments.
The first car in the SOUTHWIND consist was a Baggage 17 Crew Dormitory 18 seat Coach Combination numbered 6700. This was trailed by two 60 revenue seat Coaches 4022 and 4023, a 48 seat Dining car 4518, two more 60 revenue seat Coaches 4020 and 4021 and bringing up the markers was Buffet 16 seat dinette 35 seat lounge Observation 1126.
All three trains would eventually add heavyweight sleeping cars and later streamlined sleeping cars after the war. In spite of the three routes differing mileage’s the three all Coach streamliners departed Chicago and Miami at the same time’s daily. The DIXIE FLAGLER route was the shortest of the three at 1,434, followed by the CITY OF MIAMI route at 1,493 and the SOUTHWIND route at 1,559 was the longest.
The revenue seating capacity of all three trains was similar when they entered service with the DIXIE FLAGLER seating 246, CITY OF MIAMI 254, and the SOUTHWIND seating 258.
When Amtrak took over the nations passenger trains the SOUTHWIND route was chosen by the national passenger carrier but the name of the train was FLORIDIAN.

BAGGAGE 17 CREW DORMITORY 18 SEAT COACH COMBINATION Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHWIND)

6700

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHWIND)

4020 – 4023

48 SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHWIND)

4518

BUFFET 16 SEAT DINETTE 35 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHWIND)

1126

Following WW II the PRR joined the ranks of railroads awaiting new car deliveries and made a decision to construct a large number of cars at their own Altoona Shops. Instead of rebuilding and streamlining older heavyweight cars these would be new cars from the wheels up. One of the first orders undertaken by Altoona Shops was for the construction of seventy 44-revenue seat lightweight streamlined coaches delivered between December 1946 and July 1947 numbered 4100 – 4169. These cars were constructed to replace the prewar cars in the TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN and supplement the older cars in other long distance trains. These cars were not equipped with leg rest seats as most postwar 44-revenue seat coaches were on the western railroads.
An additional twenty-four 44 revenue seat Coaches were delivered by American Car & Foundry to the PRR between October and December 1947 numbered 4068 – 4091. These cars were assigned to the same pool of cars as the Altoona built cars for service in the TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN as well as other long distance trains.
To complete the re-equipping of the postwar TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN Altoona shops built five new-streamlined lightweight Dining Room – Crew Dormitory Kitchen car sets for these trains numbers 4590 –4599. Five Baggage Bar 27 seat Lounge Combination cars 6695-6699 were built for the trains by Altoona shops in September – October 1947 for operation in the TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN. The Altoona Shops also constructed five Buffet 16 seat Dinette 37 seat lounge Observations with the Blunt end adopted postwar by the PRR numbered 1132-1136 with two being assigned to the TRAIL BLAZER and three to the JEFFERSONIAN.
The postwar JEFFERSONIAN received three of the most interesting cars ever constructed for a railroad from American Car & Foundry in February – March 1948 the Recreation cars numbered 7300 –7302. These cars featured a buffet, 24 seat sunken cocktail lounge, and 6 seat Nursery, 6 Seat Theater, and pin-ball machine. Only the C&O would order similar cars for their stillborn CHESSIE but only the PRR cars would enter service for their original owner.

BAGGAGE BAR 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS PRR Altoona Shops September – October 1947 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN)

TRAIL BLAZER

6695, 6696

JEFFERSONIAN

6697-6699

44 REVENUE EAT LONG DISTANCE COACHES PRR Altoona Shops December 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN and other long distance trains)

4100 – 4169

44 REVENUE SEAT LONG DISTANCE COACHES American Car & Foundry October – December 1947 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN – General Service)

4068 – 4091

68 SEAT DINING ROOM CAR WITH 4 SEAT WAITING AREA PRR Altoona Shops October – December 1948 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN)

TRAIL BLAZER

4590, 4592

JEFFERSONIAN

4594, 4596, 4598

25 CREW DORMITORY – KITCHEN CAR OPERATED PAIRED WITH EVEN NUMBER DINING ROOM CARS ABOVE PRR Altoona Shops October -–December 1948 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN)

TRAIL BLAZER

4591, 4593

JEFFERSONIAN

4595, 4597, 4599

BUFFET 24 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 13 SEAT LOUNGE 6 SEAT NURSERY 6 SEAT THEATER RECREATION CARS American Car & Foundry February – March 1948 (Built for and assigned to JEFFERSONIAN)

7300 – 7302

BUFFET 16 SEAT DINETTE 37 seat LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS PRR Altoona Shops January – February 1948 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN)

TRAIL BLAZER

1132, 1133

JEFFERSONIAN

1134 – 1136

The PRR purchased two cars from Budd delivered in September 1949 for assignment to the GOLDEN TRIANGLE between Chicago and Pittsburgh. The two cars delivered in the fall of 1949 contained a Bar 21 seat Lounge and 21 revenue coach seats and were numbered 1151 and 1152. These were the only cars purchased specifically for assignment to the GOLDEN TRIANGLE and within months of delivery the two cars were assigned to general service.
Two 54-revenue seat Coaches were delivered to the PRR by Budd for assignment to the SOUTHWIND numbered 4043 and 4044.
The PRR received 22 additional unpainted stainless steel Coaches in March – April 1947 for assignment to ACL and SAL through trains between New York - Georgia and Florida. The twelve 54-revenue seat Coaches 4046 - 4057 were built for the ACL CHAMPIONS and the ten 52-revenue seat Coaches 4058 - 4067 were for assignment to the SAL SILVER METEOR, SILVER COMET, and SILVER STAR.

BAR 21-SEAT LOUNGE 28-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company September 1940 (Built for and assigned to GOLDEN TRIANGLE)

1151, 1152

52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company January 1950 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHWIND)

4043, 4044

53 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company March – April 1947 (Built for and assigned to ACL Florida – New York trains)

4046 – 4057

50 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company April 1947 (Built for and assigned to SAL Florida – New York trains)

4058 – 4067

The PRR operated numerous named trains between New York and Washington but none more famous than the CONGRESSIONAL. The PRR had always lavished the best heavyweight cars on this train and when it came time to streamline the CONGRESSIONALS the PRR spared no expense. The equipment for the CONGESSIONALS was built by Budd and this time remained in its stainless steel except for the letter board above the windows painted Tuscan red with yellow lettering PENNSYLVANIA on the Tuscan red background. The CONGRESSIONAL was not only for coach passengers but Parlor car patrons as well with some of the finest streamlined cars of this type operated by any railroad including the Conference room cars found on no other train in America in regular service. The new streamlined CONGRESSIONALS entered service on March 17, 1952 using two eighteen car consists. They operated behind the famous GG-1 Electric Locomotives and provided two round trips daily. Each of the eighteen car CONGRESSIONALS seated 480 in Coach and 223 in Parlor for a train total of 703 passengers each. Each of the eight coaches seated 60 with an additional 14 seat-smoking lounge. Dividing the eight coaches was an 18 seat Lunch Counter 22 seat Tavern lounge Car. Separating the forward coach section of the CONGRESSIONAL from the Parlor Car section was a twin unit dining car set. One seats 72 the Dining Room Car the other having a Kitchen and 21 seat Bar Lounge. Directly behind the twin unit dining car set was a seven Conference Room Parlor car-featuring seating for 35 total with a telephone room to make on board calls throughout the world if necessary. The small conference rooms could be opened up en-suite to form a larger room more like a boardroom. This was trailed by five 29-seat Parlor cars each with a 5-seat drawing room as well. The blunt end observation featured 18 Parlor seats forward with a buffet and 25 lounge seats at the observation end.
At the same time as the new streamlined CONGRESSIONALS were inaugurated the PRR also inaugurated new SENATORS between Boston – New York – Washington daily in each direction. The cars for the SENATOR were built at the same time as those for the CONGRESSIONAL with Coaches and Parlors identical for both trains. Both the CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS carried eight coaches in their consists but the SENATOR carried five ahead of its Lunch Counter Tavern Lounge cars and three trailing where the CONGRESSIONAL was evenly divided with four ahead and four behind the Lunch Counter Tavern Lounge Cars. To the rear of the eight coaches was a 48 seat dining car trailed by three parlor cars identical to those of the CONGRESSIONALS and the fourteenth car in each consist was a 14 seat parlor Telephone Room Buffet 25 seat lounge Observation. The Coach seating capacity of the SENATOR was identical to that of the CONGRESSIONALS at 480. The Parlor seating for the SENATORS was quite a bit less at 116 per consists. In any event these were just for the initial consists and within months the consists varied with less cars on some days and the maximum on others. Initially the PRR kept the CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS assigned cars separate from the other but this soon changed and they were freely interchanged with the other. The listings below are as the cars were originally assigned.

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS)

CONGRESSIONALS

1568 – 1583

SENATORS

1584 – 1599

18 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER TAVERN 22 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS)

CONGRESSIONALS

1153, 1154

SENATORS

1155, 1156

48 SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company October 1952 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to SENATORS)

4525, 4526

KITCHEN-BAR 21 SEAT LOUNGE CARS (odd Numbers) paired with 72 SEAT DINING ROOM CARS (even numbers) Budd Company October 1952 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

4624-4625
4626-4627

7-PARLOR DRAWING ROOM CONFERENCE CARS WITH TELEPHONE ROOM Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7146 MATHIAS W. BALDWIN

7147 THOMAS A. EDISON

29 SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS)

CONGRESSIONALS

7130 CASIMAR PULASKI

7131 GENERAL LAFAYETTE

7132 HENRY KNOX

7133 JOHAN PRINTZ

7134 JOHNS HOPKINS

7135 LEONARD CALVERT

7136 ROBERT MORRIS

7137 WILLIAM PENN

7143 MOLLY PITCHER

7145 BETSY ROSS

SENATORS

7138 BARON DeKALB

7139 HENRY HUDSON

7140 MILES STANDISH

7141 PAUL REVERE

7142 ROGER WILLIAMS

7144 NATHAN HALE

14 SEAT PARLOR TELEPHONE ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to SENATORS)

7126 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

7127 MARTHA WASHINGTON

18 SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 – January 1952 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7128 GEORGE WASHINGTON

7129 ALEXANDER HAMILTON

For their next new streamliner the PRR once again turned to Budd for a new train, instead they got a whole new concept from the number two-passenger car manufacturer. The Budd Company was fast earning the reputation of becoming the innovator in car design and the new PRR train named the KEYSTONE was no exception. The Budd Company delivered the nine cars that comprised the KEYSTONE in June 1956 to the PRR. The first car 9600 was the power car that provided the trailing cars with electric power for heating, lighting and air conditioning; the 9600 also contained a food service area for crew members to take food to passengers at their seats. Access to this car was for crew only and for this reason it was found at one end of the KEYSTONE train or the other. The 9600 was easily recognizable as it was only 53’ in length and height was 11’9” nearly two feet lower than a standard streamlined coach at 13’6” was. The remaining eight cars of the KEYSTONE were 11’11” in height and a standard 85’ in length. Even with this difference in height the cars could be coupled to standard height streamlined cars, as the diaphragms were compatible. If the KEYSTONE equipment was operated with other cars it was always ahead of the KEYSTONE so steam heat could be drawn from the GG-1. As the KEYSTONE Equipment provided its own power car for hotel power it was a forerunner of what would come to Amtrak. Each of the eight cars numbers 9601 – 9608 resembled standard 85’ cars in length although lower in height. At the one end of the cars above the trucks was a pair of restrooms and Coach seating for 12. From that point one descended three stairs to the depressed center of the car where seating could be found for 56. One then climbed three stairs o the area above the other truck where a 14 seat Smoking lounge was located and a vestibule was located. For a brief period a sixteen-seat dinette was installed in place of the 14 seat Smoking section in cars 9601 and 9602, the 9600 power-Kitchen car was then operated mid train between these two cars. The capacity of the train was 544 revenue seats as delivered. Amtrak purchased the entire KEYSTONE train set and then it was almost as if they didn’t know what to do with it as they used it very little.

53’ KEYSTONE POWER – KITCHEN CAR Budd Company June, 1956 (Built for and assigned to KEYSTONE service)

9600

68 REVENUE SEAT KEYSTONE COACHES WITH 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE Budd Company June 1956 (Built for and assigned to KEYSTONE service)

9601 – 9607

The PRR like many other roads in the early 1960’s found themselves with excess sleeping car capacity and a shortage of coach seating capacity. As more and more of the first class clientele of the railroads took to the airways. The simplest and least expensive solution for the PRR was to convert sleeping cars to coaches. With that in mind the PRR shipped fifty Budd built 21 roomette INN series sleeping cars to Altoona for conversion to coaches. Forty-eight of the roomettes would be rebuilt to 76 revenue seat Coaches with eight seat smoking lounges numbered 1500 - 1547 and the remaining two were rebuilt to 70 seat coaches with snack bars and numbered 1548, 1549.

76-REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 8 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGES Rebuilt by Altoona Shops from 21 Roomette Sleeping cars

SEPTEMBER 1963

1500 originally CARNEGIE INN accounting number 8250

1501 originally MASSILON INN accounting number 8273

1502 originally PRINCETON INN accounting number 8279

1505 originally LEWISTOWN INN accounting number 8267

OCTOBER 1963

1503 ex JACOB J. VANDERGRIFT originally ALLIANCE INN accounting number 8241

1504 originally TIFFIN INN accounting number 8286

1506 originally JEANETTE INN accounting number 8263

1507 originally BEAVER FALLS INN accounting number 8244

1508 originally COLLINSVILLE INN accounting number 8254

1509 ex PETER SHOENBERGER originally BRADDOCK INN accounting number 8246

1510 originally SALEM INN accounting number 8281

1511 originally PETOSKEY INN accounting number 8277

1512 ex JOHN PITCAIRN originally LIMA INN accounting number 8268

1513 originally NORRISTOWN INN accounting number 8275

1514 originally ELMIRA INN accounting number 8257

1515 ex JEFFERY SCAIFE originally PIQUA INN accounting number 8278

1517 originally KOKOMO INN accounting number 8265

1518 ex E.T.WEIR originally GRAND RAPIDS INN accounting number 8259

1520 originally VAN WERT INN accounting number 8290

1521 originally SHARON INN accounting number 8283

1522 originally CINCINNATI INN accounting number 8264

1523 originally BEDFORD INN accounting number 8245

1524 ex B.F.JONES ex JAMES HAY REED originally TYRONE INN accounting number 8287

1525 originally LOCK HAVEN INN accounting number 8269

1526 originally HAGERSTOWN INN
Accounting number 8261

1527 originally COATESVILLE INN accounting number 8253

1528 originally STEUBENVILLE INN accounting number 8284

NOVEMBER1963

1516 ex HENRY S. SPANG originally BUCYRUS INN accounting number 8247

1519 originally HAMILTON INN accounting number 8262

1529 originally LATROBE INN accounting number 8266

1530 originally MARIETTA INN accounting number 8272

1531 originally RAVENNA INN accounting number 8280

1532 originally OLEAN INN accounting number 8276

1533 originally COSHOCTON INN accounting number 8255

1534 originally CULVER INN accounting number 8256

1535 originally SEWICKLEY INN accounting number 8282

1536 originally ASHTABULA INN accounting number 8243

1537 originally FRANKLIN INN accounting number 8258

1538 originally LOGANSPORT INN accounting number 8270

1539 originally NEW CASTLE INN accounting number 8274

1540 originally GREENSBURG INN accounting number 8260

1541 originally ANDERSON INN accounting number 8242

1542 originally MANSFIELD INN accounting number 8271

1543 originally URBANA INN accounting number 8289

1544 originally CHAMBERSBURG INN accounting number 8251

1545 originally BUTLER INN accounting number 8248

1546 ex WILLIAM THAW originally CHESTER INN accounting number 8252

1547 originally CAMBRIDGE INN accounting number 8249

70 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH SNACK BAR Rebuilt by Altoona Shops from 21 Roomette Sleeping cars in the INN series

NOVEMBER 1963

1548 originally SUNBURY INN accounting number 8285

DECEMBER 1963

1549 originally UNIONTOWN INN accounting number 8298

In 1964 the PRR purchased twenty used sleeping cars from the N&W that were no longer in use by that road. The PRR shopped all of these cars at their Altoona facilities and rebuilt them to coaches before they entered PRR service. Nine of these cars 1480 – 1488 were rebuilt to 84 –revenue seat coaches and the remaining eleven 1489 – 1499 were rebuilt to 72 revenue seat Coaches with snack bars. All of these cars just as the previous rebuilds were assigned to Northeast corridor trains. Budd originally constructed these cars like the previous 21-roomette sleepers.

84 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Rebuilt by Altoona Shops from N&W 10-6 Sleeping cars purchased by the PRR

JULY 1964

1480 originally N&W VIRGINIA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE

1481 originally N&W CAMPBELL COUNTY

1482 originally N&W MERCER COUNTY

1484 originally N&W VIRGINIA MILITARY INSTITUTE

1487 originally ROANOKE COLLEGE

AUGUST 1964

1483 originally N&W FRANKLIN COUNTY

1485 originally N&W WASHINGTON & LEE UNIVERSITY

1486 originally N&W RANDOLPH MACON COLLEGE

1488 originally N&W EMORY & HENRY COLLEGE

72 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH SNACK BARS Rebuilt by Altoona Shops from N&W 10-6 sleeping cars

AUGUST 1964

1489 originally N&W SCIOTA COUNTY

1491 originally N&W MINGO COUNTY

1492 originally N&W PIKE COUNTY

SEPTEMBER 1964

1490 originally N&W AUGUSTA COUNTY

1493 originally N&W PULASKI COUNTY

1494 originally N&W WYTHE COUNTY

1495 originally N&W HAMDEN – SYDNEY COLLEGE

1496 originally N&W HOLLINS COLLEGE

1497 originally N&W DUKE UNIVERSITY

1498 originally N&W OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY

1499 originally N&W UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI

In September 1965 the PRR Altoona facility shopped 44-revenue seat coach 4100 originally built in that facility in 1946 for rebuilding and increasing seating capacity to 60. After the rust had been removed from this car after nineteen years of service the PRR discovered the car needed extensive frame and replacement siding that the PRR had not been expecting. The original intent was to rebuild the entire series of these cars but only 4100 was rebuilt and numbered 3600. The 4100 had originally emerged from the Altoona Shops in December 1946.
The PRR received twenty-five used 64 revenue seat coaches from the NYC between July and October 1967. These Pullman Standard built cars of 1956 were the last cars received by the PRR before the merger with the NYC and New Haven took place. The cars were assigned to general service after renumbering 1400 - 1424 but were most often found in trains in the corridor.

64 REVENUE SEAT COACHES

1400 originally NYC 3003

1401 originally NYC 3117

1402 originally NYC 3064

1403 originally NYC 3080

1404 originally NYC 3039

1405 originally NYC 3115

1406 originally NYC 3097

1407 originally NYC 3115

1408 originally NYC 3023

1409 originally NYC 3144

1410 originally NYC 3013

1411 originally NYC 3015

1412 originally NYC 3036

1413 originally NYC 3038

1414 originally NYC 3046

1415 originally NYC 3055

1416 originally NYC 3056

1417 originally NYC 3062

1418 originally NYC 3076

1419 originally NYC 3093

1420 originally NYC 3094

1421 originally NYC 3112

1422 originally NYC 3128

1423 originally NYC 3130

1424 originally NYC 3152

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:00 PM
Hi Tom and all

A pint of the usual please CINDY before you get changed.

Good to see LARS and ROB in this afternoon, the bar is about ready for the bash even AWK has been preening himself.
I will look out for the Cream ale, there is a good International Wine and Beer shop in Town and I would love to visit the St George one day.

I have only brewed two beers tonight as the brewhouse is still a wreak after the H&H's Hammer mishap for the 1st annivesary of Our Place, but BORIS spends hours stirring the vats and taking in the fumes [:O] and would be very disappointed if we didn't brew something. I dont what the strength of the ale as BORIS done a unspeakable thing to the hydrometer and it hasn't been sterilized yet.
Here is the beers.

GG1 GREAT ALE Dont let the Brunswick Green color of the ale put you off a great tasting beer with a touch of electric about it..
PENNSY PULLMAN PARADISE. Boris and I are proud of this brew, a Tuscan Red colored beer with a hint of class about it.

Anyway TOM the KEITH'S ALE as arrived and is ready in the celler not to mention the rum.

Great Tumbler Ridge Encore ROB and Broadway Limited LARS[tup][tup][tup].
Tom should be happy the Cards beat the Mets6-3( sorry Lars.) PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:28 PM
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Tom here’s something guaranteed to “flick your Bic” . . .





From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: www.wikipedia.com


Broadway Limited



The all-Pullman Broadway Limited cruises through Metuchen, New Jersey in the Summer of 1961. (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)




"Drumhead" logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Broadway Limited.


The Broadway Limited was the Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) premier named passenger train, operating one train daily in either direction between New York (or Washington, D.C.) and Chicago, Illinois. The Broadway ran from 1912 (although its train Nos. 28 and 29 operated from 1902 as the Pennsylvania Special) and outlasted the Pennsylvania Railroad, operating under Amtrak until 1995.


Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited

Equipment used

In 1938, the Broadway Limited was completely reequipped with lightweight steel cars to replace the heavyweight steel cars. The new equipment's industrial design was a product of Raymond Loewy, who would later go on to design the PRR GG1 to pull the train, as well as some streamlined steam locomotives for the PRR. This train was the PRR's only pre-World War II train to receive such an equipment investment; other PRR trains used heavyweight cars until after the War. Most of the equipment in the 1938 upgrade was built new by Pullman-Standard between March and May of that year, but the diners were rebuilt from heavyweight cars by the railroad's Altoona shops. The 1938 consist included the following equipment:

• sleeper (18 roomettes), one of 8 cars named City of Baltimore, City of Cincinnati, City of Columbus, City of New York, City of Philadelphia, City of Pittsburgh, City of St. Louis or City of Washington.
• sleeper-lounge (2 double bedrooms, secretary's room, barber shop, shower-bath, bar/lounge), either Harbor Point or Harbor Springs.
• diner, a heavyweight car rebuilt at the Altoona shops.
• sleeper (4 compartments, 2 drawing rooms, 4 double bedrooms), one of four cars named Imperial Park, Imperial Pass, Imperial Plateau or Imperial Point.
• sleeper (13 double bedrooms), either Allegheny County or New York County.
• sleeper-buffet-lounge-observation (2 master rooms, 1 double bedroom), either Metropolitan View or Skyline View.

Station stops

• New York Penn Station
• Newark Penn Station
• North Philadelphia
• Paoli
• Harrisburg (engine change from GG1 to diesel-electric units)
• Baker Street Station (Fort Wayne)
• Englewood - transfer to Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad
• Chicago Union Station

Station Stops, 1958

• New York Pennsylvania Station
• Newark Pennsylvania Station
• Philadelphia (North Philadelphia Station)
• Paoli
• Harrisburg Union Station (engine change from GG1 to diesel-electric units)
• Altoona, PA
• Crestline, OH
• Fort Wayne
• Englewood Union Station
• Chicago_Union_Station

Cars from New York's Hudson Terminal and Jersey City's Exchange Place were added at Newark.

Amtrak's Broadway Limited

When Amtrak started up on May 1, 1971, the Broadway Limited continued to use the all-PRR route, with a split at Harrisburg, Pennsylvania for trains to Washington, DC via Perryville, Maryland along the former Harrisburg, Portsmouth, Mount Joy and Lancaster Railroad, Columbia and Port Deposit Railway and Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington Railroad until November 30, 1975. On November 12, 1990, due to Conrail's desire to abandon part of the former Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railway in northwest Indiana, the line was rerouted to use the former Baltimore and Ohio Railroad west of Pittsburgh into Chicago. In 1995 the Broadway Limited was ended, though it was later brought back as the Three Rivers, the latter of which has since been discontinued by Amtrak west of Pittsburgh.

References

• Wayner, Robert J., ed. (1972). Car Names, Numbers and Consists. Wayner Publications, New York, NY. (out of print).
• Mike Schafer, Amtrak's atlas, Trains June 1991




Enjoy! [tup]


Lars



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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:24 PM

A little Encore on railroading in one of the "bosses" favourite parts of the north country. In honour of the 68th aniversary of his natal day.[^] [bday] Wishes to you Tom !




Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! as seen originally on pg 262

PART 1 BC RAIL TUMBLER RIDGE SUB

Completed in 1983 to tap the coal resorses of the highgrade Tumbler Ridge Coal Field ,eighty miles away on the east side of the Rockey Mountains. The Tumbler division leaves the BCR mainline at Wakely, mile 537.2 on the Chetwynd subdivision. Wakely was named after the BC railways chief engineer, that president and CEO Mac Norris brouight out from the CPR. Wakely left the BCR and returned to CP to complete or at least start the Rogers Pass tunnel project in 1975.

From the jct switch at Wakely, the line crosses to the north bank of the Parsnip river and follows it upstream to the Table river. Between Table and Whitford siding s the line reaches it's maximum eastern gradient of 1.5% as it climbs the 5.6 mile long Table MTN tunnel.

Between the Table and Wolverine tunnels the railway is located in a high alpine valley at 3815 feet altitude, in which the headwaters of the Sukunka River flows. Once through the 3.7 mile long Wolverine Tunnel, it's a steady 1.2% downgrade to the crossing of the Murray River outdside the townsite of Tumbler Ridge.

There were two coal loadouts on the line, one for the Bullmoose mine at Teck, mile 69.6 and the other for the Quintette mine at Quintette, mile 82.3. The Railway has a small shop at Murray mile 73.3, where running repairs were preformed on the electric locomotives. Helpers consisting of two sets of GM / ASEA electrics ran out of Murray and coupled on behind the coal train cabooses at the loadouts. They would pu***he loaded trains up to the top of the southbound 1.2% grade, often cutting off inside the Wolverine tunnel !

The Wolverine tunnel at mile 43.6 to 47.3, is the eastern most of the two long tunnels that bring the rails under the Hart range to the Tumbler Coal Fields. One of the cheif reasons for the electrification iof this line was the two long tunnels. Diesles would have required an umence expendature of ca***o ventilate the tunnels, the electrics did not, also at 6000 hp the electrics did the wirk of two of the most powerfull diesels of the time.The Wolverine tunnel had additional problems, hot springs seep from the rock strata through which the tunnel was drilled. The sulpher in the springs corodes the copper wires of the overhead catenery so aluminum wires had to be strung throuigh the tunnels.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:12 PM
A hearty Good afternoon gents.Cindy i think a round to loosen the gang up is required,gotta make sure all the tpas are working at 100% for tonights festivities.

Some interesting stuff thus far, hopefully much more to follow. First off some catch up from the rest of yesterday an today.

Lars Glad to see that you have returned..I do hope things sort out for you. I liked thre second time around Lionel Post still a good read fer sure. Nice GG1 tribute for the good captain today as well. I'm sue those old girls that are left could tell a tale or two yet.

CM3 I fine "tribute" to our Mentor and friend, I do hope that you are able to pop back in tonight, we'll keep your stool warm as it were. That is unless we need it for overflow this evening.

Nick good to see you surface finally mate. You will find the fixings for some fine English pub fare imported from Ontario for your culinary usage. just remember no paint or drywall mud or any other building materials to be used in the entree's [swg][;)]

Doug That was an absolutly fabuloue piece on the Canadian National, the photo's were supurb. 5x[tup] for that one for sure.

Pete the DMu articles were great lots of neat info. I know have the visual reference to the various classes and types thanks to that rail magazine. I no longer feel left out of the loop on the Brit rail disscussions. I haven't sampled the creeame ale you were enquiring about , it is sold in the bottle as well so you may be able to purchase it locally. The 80 shilling for my taste is quite good however. You would I think find the fare at the St George Arms definatly to your liking ! Lots of Giness used in various sauces and gravy. [swg][dinner]

Mike Thaks for the additional info on the Adirondak,you always learn something around here for sure.[tup]

Tom I hope that you have a virtual DD tonight as I think mant a round will be bought in your honour. All the girls have thier new "hooters" inspired uniforms back from the cleaners ( Cindy and the girls over at Victoria's secrets Designed them [yeah][:P][:O][wow] ) hope you have another good ballgame yto watch like last nights[tup]

Ted Sounds like your trip to the VA was almost a highlight of the week for you,who says going to the Dr can't be fun eh [?]

Catch everyone later


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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:34 PM
[bday] cap'n Tom and G'day all assembled!

Looks like Pete is holding the fort by himself today . . . glad someone is! [tup]

Tom's Cards are beating up my Mets - but it ain't over 'til it's over - as Yogi once said!

Just wanted to stop by - between running here 'n there - to keep the Thread up 'n running!

Hope to be back B4 tonights Bash!

Cindy I'll take a Schaefer then I've gotta move along . . . [swg]

Until the next time! [tup]
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:19 PM
DMUs Part 2
The dmus were basically for three different uses as reflected in the seating capacity and the number of entrance doors, with some suburban units having a door to each seating bay while the majority of dmus having two doors per side in each car.

Another type was the Cross-Country which added a bit more comfort. The Swindon built class 120 3-car units were these type of unit and were instantly recognizable by having two square windows in the driving cab as opposed to the 3 rectangular windows of most of the other types. These were, I thought, very comfortable especially when in their later years the first class was downgraded for the use of second-class passengers.

In the early 60s two attractive dmu sets were introduced one was the 6-Car Trans Pennine units for use on the steeply graded services over the hills between Lancashire and Yorkshire the others were for the Western Region use and designated Inter-City a name BR used for its express passenger services later that decade. Both types of units worked in the north of England in there last days I can recall traveling in the train formed of cars from both types between Sheffield and Manchester in the 70s.

The second generation of dmus started to appear in the mid 80s but the last of the first generation units only ceased passenger work a couple of years ago, although I believe a single car unit is still used on the ex Great Central branch line between Aylsbury and Princes Risborough to the north west of London. There are a few of the 1st generation of DMUs that have been converted to Departmental use.

They were to be seen all over the British Railways network although I believe they did not work much to the north of Inverness in the Scottish Highlands, and the Southern Region which went in for Diesel Electric Multiple units.

Some thoughts and recollections

At the time it was sad to see the dmus replace the old ways of a steam loco and 2 or 3 cars but in retrospect the branch lines that did survive must owe a lot to them.
One of the great plus points of the dmus was that one could sit behind the driver and see the same view as he had, or be in the back car and have a cheap observation car.

In Rugby dmus were used on the local trains to Birmingham until the line was electrified in 1966 after that they became rare, although 30 miles away at Birmingham, until the cross rail electrification, there was a great many units to be seen. As the units elseware was replaced by the next generation of dmus or electrification Birmingham received many of the displaced units.

In the early days it was often possible to see the units having a tail load of a 4-wheel wagon or a parcel car which would be removed by the station pilot at its destination.

On one trip on a dmu on the Worcester to Birmingham line when we approached Stourbridge Junction, a Peak class diesel was at the platform end which was coupled to the unit and hauled us up Old Hill bank calling at all stations. I was in the seat behind the driver with the nose of the Peak a few feet away as it hauled our 3-car unit up the hill with ease.

On the whole I must admit I do have a soft spot for the 1st generation Diesel Multiple Units of British Railways.

After that I had better have a Bathams CINDY.
PETE.
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:02 PM
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A Derby built class 108 DMU at York museum.

British DMUs Part 1
PRRRRRAAAAAAAAP no NOT a comment on TOM’s birthday but the rather flatulent sound some of the first generation of British Railways Diesel Multiple Units (DMU) made especially in their old age, often accompanied by a cloud of blue smoke.

The start of the railcars owes its beginning to the motor bus industry in developing a powerful diesel engine and air pressure to change gears. The Great Western Railway in 1933 had some semi-streamlined single cars that were long lived with the last ones surviving until 1962. It is possible to ride in a preserved one at the Didcot Railway Centre. There was also this type of car for carrying parcel traffic.
There was also pioneer dmus in Ireland in the 30s and but for the war probably many more dmus would have been built.

It was in 1954 that the first BR built dmus appeared these were the Derby Lightweights 2-Car units with running numbers in the 79XXX range. These were quite successful I can remember them working in North Wales on the branches and they even worked a summer only named train The Welsh Dragon that ran between the resorts of Rhyl and Llandudno. Probably the shortest distance a named train operated in the UK.

In 1955 the first of the very successful Metro-Cammell units was introduced which in total produced more than 600 cars and lasted nearly 50 years in passenger service.

Then followed cars manufactured by Cravens, Park Royal, Pressed Steel, Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Co, Gloucester Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. as well as BR workshops at Derby & Swindon
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:39 AM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll have another coffee and a traditional breakfast please CINDY as I better get a good base for tonight and the[bday] Ba***up].
With [C=:-)]NICKS culinary delights[yeah].

As I said a great start to TOM's birthday not to forget AL and the B&O Streamlined Sleeping Cars of last night[tup]

DOUG Wonderful piece and photos of #6231 at the end of N.American steam, it captured exactly waiting to photograph a loco in cold weather. The loco is in great condition considering steam was about to finish[^].

NICK Great to see you back and looking forward to your visits later[tup].

TED Glad the VA visit went well and it really is good to meet old friends. And may I say how much I agree with the note to LARS & NICK you are a true gentleman sir. [tup] See you later this evening.

LARS What can I say, great Pennsey GG1 text and photos. They are magnificent locos and to have seen them in action must have been an experience to savour. How well the color schemes suited the GG1s. [^][^][^].
The photo of #4890 in the Green Bay Museum reminded me that there is an A4, Big Boy and a GG1 all in the same hall absolutely wonderful.

CM3 A birthday tribute to Tom as only you can [tup][tup][tup].

TOM The OOGIE BOOGIE joke is one of my favourites probably down to my weird English sense of Humour[(-D].

Well back in a bit after I have battled with the word processor. PETE.
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:17 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present: coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

The Daily Whiz-bang (a.k.a. local paper) this a.m. had a picture of a lovely red R.J. Corman locomotive at South Side Junction (near beautiful downtown Thurmond). It had been brought in for a calendar shoot (gives new meaning to the idea of a centerfold,) and I guess was so taken with the scenery and the remote location that it expired. Anyway, not something we see every day around here as most of the time we get LARGE GE power with lotsa coal cars.

Tom - One thing I can say for the Cardinals is at least they can read signs and didn’t run themselves out of a potential rally in the 9th inning – sheesh! As one of my old coaches used to tell us, “We keep our signs simple so even you can understand them.” Nothing like targeting your remarks to your audience.

Enjoyed the Marx post yesterday – seems like that continued from past weeks,

Lars – Glad to see you back “with us.”

Tom provided us with some B&O material. BTW, I had lots of fun with Air Canada and this was years ago!

Wanswheel provided much in the way of nostalgia, a beautiful D&H shot (just the way I remember seeing that train).

Then we have Barndad’s toy train memories (how true), and a remote control device (as the Guinness guys say, “Brilliant!” And today some evocative Canadian steam shots – make sure to check out the tank cars in the last photo.

Nick- Remodeling. My turn for that is later this summer. I am already making plans to relocate the family, at least two states away, so I don’t have to deal with the !@#$% and moaning! My sympathies to you, sir and remember, cement is neither for boots nor garments.

Pete – Upcoming trip sounds great – remember batteries, please.

As I said yesterday, I am going to have to jump the gun on our ‘steamed proprietor’s celebration.

Here goes.

Tom is our editor, bouncer, mental (No Boris, mentor!), etc., etc. And boy, have we been waiting for this day. Years ago, a family member warned my mother to watch out for, “Tramps, railroaders, and sailors.” Now we are gathered to honor someone who is all three.

Working with Tom, I learned a long time ago that it is impossible to discuss issues with a person who insists on referring to himself as “we.”

Tom is, withal, a reflective sort; probably based on all of his years at sea, by himself, in an open boat. Over this time, he recorded his thoughts on sheets of paper, stuffed them into bottles (empty of course), corked the bottles, and threw them over the side: leaving the sea to take them.

Our crack CM3 research department found a bunch of these bottles in a seine net belonging to a dragger out of Pt. Judith.

This, of course, was after we disarmed the three U-Boat torpedoes we also caught. It was an interesting catch to be sure, and we are happy to share some of the printable items with you.

The first bottle had a biographical musing on education.

“I didn’t do very well in math – I could never persuade the teacher that I hadn’t meant my answers literally.” This has, of course, been succeeded by his well-known saying, “Four out of three people are confused by fractions!”

Tom went to work at an early age, but it is an unconfirmed rumor that he fired steam shovels during the construction of the Panama Canal. This is what confused me when I found a clipping of a news photo which clearly showed him applauding as TR said, “*** the law! I want the canal built!”

He learned to cook as a young man as I discovered an early note regarding the culinary arts. It was in his handwriting and said, “The recipe says to separate two eggs, but it doesn’t say how far.” That’s probably why he hired the Our Place staff – we are, indeed, grateful for all of them; vegetable, animal, and mineral. Surely the jolliest bunch this side of the nuthouse!

As he grew older, Tom became a keen observer of the human condition which probably explains the cryptic note, “We have nothing to fear but sanity itself.” IIRC, FDR used that remark in a slightly different context.

Another note addressed marriage. This one said, “Some people claim that marriage interferes with romance. There’s no doubt about it. Anytime you have a romance, your wife is bound to interfere.”

We all know that Tom follows the Cardinals. I wondered about the partial fragment that said, “Fractions drove me from school, and the vagrancy laws drove me to baseball.”

The last notes I found which were not waterlogged completely were a couple of definitions.

“A consultant is someone who takes your watch to tell you what time it is.”

And

“A judge is a law student who grades his own examination papers.”

The rest of the papers spontaneously combusted so we are left to wonder...........

Happy Birthday!

Work safe

P.S. GG1 post appeared while I was getting this ready ; a keeper for sure.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:17 AM
G'day Gents!

Just a quick THANX to those of you who have sent your B'day Greetings! [tup]

Getting ready to take Juneau to his "day care" and then we're off for the day . . . .

I'll surely read and re-read everything Posted - and it looks like a sure-fire-winnAH thus far with the CN & Pennsy GG1s!!

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:16 AM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll have a very Quick coffee as I have got to take the pooch out, just wanted to wish you [bday][bday][bday][4:-)] TOM
Looks like a great start to the day at the Bar [tup][tup][tup].
Back later PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:56 AM
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Birthday Bash Announcement!


Our leader and “steamed” Proprietor of “Our” Place will be celebrating his Birthday here at the bar - 7 PM – central time – TODAY!


Let’s have a great turn out for the guy who NEVER forgets any of us on our special days!


Lars



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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:53 AM
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Tom - here’s something that I know is near & dear to your railroading heart! [swg]




Pennsylvania Railroad’s GG1


QUOTE: The GG1 was designed by the Pennsylvania Railroad based on the need for a locomotive that could pull more than 12 to 14 passenger cars. The railroad thought it had designed the perfect electric passenger locomotive, the P-5a, but as the P-5a locomotives arrived, it became necessary to double head them on many trains in order to protect schedules. Two other factors were involved in the development of the GG1. The chassis and wheel arrangement were a result of experiments with a leased New Haven EP3a and the streamlined body and center crew cab were an outcome of concern for crew safety. A tragic grade crossing accident in which a box cab P-5a hit a truck killing the engineer, reinforced the need for better protection for the crew. After the accident, a hold was put on further manufacture of the box cab P-5a and the locomotive was redesigned to include a center crew cab. The GG1 was given a sculptured carbody with contoured hoods that were tapered to provide visibility for the enginemen. As a result, a very aesthetically pleasing design evolved. Raymond Loewy, the renowned industrial designer, reviewed the prototype and recommended welding the shell rather than using rivets. He then suggested adding the famous pin stripes, making the design an award winner.

The railroad built 139 units (#4800 through #4938) between the years 1934 and 1943. Many of them were built at the Juniata Locomotive Shop in Altoona, PA.

This streamlined locomotive, designed for bidirectional operation was mainly used for passenger trains, but a few were regeared for freight service. The GG1 survived longer than any other American locomotive design, lasting from 1934 to well into the 1980s. The 79.5 foot long 230+ ton GG1 was built on an articulated frame which permitted its 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement to negotiate tight curves even in congested areas. Power was picked up from an overhead 11,000 Volt AC catenary wire by a pantograph and the voltage stepped-down through an on board transformer to feed the 12 single phase 25 cycle traction motors. Each of these motors developed 385 HP giving the GG1 a total of 4620 HP in continuous operation and allowed speeds up to 100 mph. The body of the locomotive also housed large blowers for motor and transformer cooling, a steam boiler for passenger car heat, electric controllers and sanding boxes.

Of the 139 units built, only 16 survive today. Some have been restored superficially and can be visited as shown below. It is not likely that any of these survivors will ever run again because of the prohibitive cost to rebuild or replace the electrical components.

Will a GG1 ever run again?

A GG1 will probably never run again. Steam locomotives can be restored through extraordinary efforts, if needed, to repair or remanufacture mechanical parts. Once a steam locomotive has been restored, all one needs is coal (or oil) and water, to have the ability to run if track is available.

The GG1 survivors have had their transformers removed, many of the traction motors have shorted out and all of the other current carrying parts have deteriorated to the point of uselessness. The one exception may be 4935 in Strasburg, PA which may be capable of actually running if a transformer and a proper catenary were available. The GG1 was a 25 cycle (HZ) machine for which the PRR maintained their own substation to provide the 25 cycle current.

Locomotives today are capable of operating on 25 HZ or 60 HZ and most railroads are using 60 HZ so they can buy power directly from the power companies and avoid the expense of maintaining their own substations.

There is also a possible problem with contamination from PCB's, which to this point no one talks about. The GG1 transformer was cooled with a fluid known generically as Askarel (a non-flammable synthetic liquid dielectric). This liquid contains PCB's, and any evidence of PCB's would be a show stopper.

Many of the GG1s had developed cracks in their frames which means major repair or replacement would be needed. In addition the drivers, the trucks, and the carbody would have to refurbished. After that, all new electrical components and controls would have to be furnished. This could possibly cost around $1.5 to $2.0 million.

I seriously doubt that anyone would spend the money to get a GG1 to run. Some have spent large sums to refurbish steam locomotive but only where there has been available track to allow excursion to provide payback.

With all new electrical equipment and modern controls, this new GG1 could run on the Northeast Corridor or any other electrified railroad but, it would not be an authentic GG1, it would simply be a modern electric locomotive with the carbody of a GG1. Unfortunately changes in technology have finally, after 60 years, forced the retirement of the most durable locomotive of all time.

The Pennsylvania Railroad GG1: The "Congressionals" and "The Senator"

In 1885, the PRR introduced a passenger train that ran between New York City and Washington, DC with limited stops along the route. This train, known as the " Congressional Limited Express", became the favorite train for businessmen and politicians.

As traffic increased, more "limiteds" were added to the railroad's schedule and by the 1940's there were, among many "limiteds" two "Congressionals", one leaving Washington for New York and one leaving New York for Washington each afternoon , except Sunday. These two very popular trains were each led by a GG1 and the "Congressonal" out of Washington could make the 226.6 mile run in 3 hours and 35 minutes with six station stops.

In the early 1950s, two more "Congressionals" were added. Each day there would be a "Morning Congressional" and an "Afternoon Congressional" leaving from each city. Later, two "Mid-Day Congressionals" were added.

The PRR purchased sixty new streamlined cars from the Budd Company in 1952. The cars were used on the "Congressionals" and also on "The Senator", a Boston - Washington "limited" that was shared with the New Haven Railroad. These handsome stainless-steel cars with Tuscan red trim were assembled into train sets of coaches, parlor cars, dinning cars and squared-ended observation cars.

To pull these "signature" trains the PRR painted six of its GG1 locomotives Tuscan red with the famous gold leaf pin stripes in 1952. The GG1s selected were numbers 4908 through 4913. Later, four more (numbers 4856, 4857, 4876 and 4929) were given the same Tuscan red livery.

In 1955, when the GG1 livery was restyled, all of the GG1s were painted Brunswick green execpt five of them. Numbers 4907 and 4916 were painted Tuscan red and numbers 4866, 4872 and 4880 were given a special livery. These three were painted silver and had, a broad red stripe, a very large keystone and 18 inch high black "Roman" lettering. All five of these locomotives were eventually painted Brunswick green with standard livery. from: www.steamlocomotive.com


PRR GG1 #4933 (photo credit: Jack Humphrey)



PRR GG1 #4933 (photo credit: Richard Duley)



PRR GG1 #4800 (photo credit: RR Museum of PA)



PRR GG1 #4859 (photo credit: Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA)



PRR GG1 #4890 (photo credit: Frank Hicks)



PRR GG1 #4890 (photo credit: National RR Museum, Green Bay, WI)



PRR GG1 #4903 (courtesy: Age of Steam Museum, Dallas, TX)



PRR GG1 #4913 (photo credit: Ana Dill)



PRR GG1 #4927 (photo credit: Illinois Railway Museum)



PRR GG1 #4935 (photo credit: RR Museum of PA)



Enjoy! [tup]


Lars



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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:24 AM
[bday] Tom and while I know the "let the games begin" starts at 7:00 p.m. Central, I want to forward my best wishes before hitting the pavement. I'll do the "self service" thing at the pastry counter and coffee urn. V.A. appt. went as usual except that "out of the blue," I met an old acquaitance from over 20 years ago. This one in a ??? chance meeting led to a predictable "wetting down" of past memories, people, places and friends. Before I realized the time, the day (and my countenance) was shot. I did manage to peruse the entries for "Toy and Model Trains Day" with so much good stuff by "Our" Place regulars but when my reply was forthcoming, OI VEY! The copius data and remeberances of Marx, Lionel, Gilbert, and U.K. manufacturers yielded a page "greater than the sum of its' parts." Then, the additional add ons by Mike, Rob, Al for the venerable D & H made for a lengthy and rewarding day indeed.

Cap'n Tom's wise choice of "discretion being the better part of valo(u)r" regarding the inner sanctum of St. George Arms Pub may suggest impropriety to some of a suspicious nature.[:O] Au contrar, while good fellowship prevailed, moderation in food and drink was carefully observed by "Our Place "fearsom threesome." I rather expect our celebration tonight for the Proppietor's 68th Natal observance will, far and away, eclipse any social liberties taken north of the 49th.

Egad, the B & O (dear to me) has appeared just when my time has expired for this morning's epistle. Not to worry, "the Lord willing and the creek don't rise;" I will join all of you this p.m. at 7:00 Central for full participation in where ever the "spirit" takes us.[swg] Nick and Lars, please know that what ever the circumstances, you both have a lot of friends "in your corner" here at "Our" Place. I'm late now, so Boris, get the lead out and give with the "clang." BUFFKHT!!! Great Granny's Gop Stoppers, he hit the lead steam heat boiler.[alien] Happy rails 'til tonight.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:27 AM

courtesy: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


It’s Thursday! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Baker – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]


Daily Wisdom


You’ll never find a hired gun sittin’ on his gun hand.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – To be announced!


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday



MVP Award Winners


April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] Three men are captured by a tribe while exploring the Amazon forest. They are tied to stakes and the chief says to the first man, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The first guy replies, "I don't want to die, I choose Oogie Boogie." All of the male warriors erupt into screaming chants, run up to the guy, bend him over and each of them have their way. The chief approaches the next guy and repeats, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The second guy has a wife and children and reluctantly says, "I must choose Ooogie Boogie." Again the sadistic ritual is performed by all of the warriors of the village on the poor man. At last the chief turns to the last remaining man and says, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must now choose death or Oogie Boogie." Without a pause the man yells in the chief's face, "I choose death!" "Oh my son," replies the chief, "you are very brave. Death it shall be...BY OOGIE BOOGIE!!!" [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 07:43:03 (332) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 17 May 2006, 09:06:25 (332) WVA Report & “hobby” URL

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 May 2006, 10:40:53 (332) Daylite Robulla’s Post!

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 May 2006, 10:50:34 (332) ENCORE Pix from Ted’s layout

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 11:09:52 (332) Louis Marx & Co.

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 17 May 2006, 13:52:20 (332) B’day Bash Announcement!

(7) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 17 May 2006, 14:04:52 (333) Lars Report & ENCORE: Lionel Steam Locos

(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 17 May 2006, 14:11:30 (333) Wolfman’s Comments!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 14:38:02 (333) Acknowledgments & Comments

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 15:13:44 (333) Nostalgia #87 – B&O Ad (1947)

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 17 May 2006, 16:36:18 (333) D&H Laurentian ‘n Amtrak’s Adirondack, etc.

(12) barndad Doug Posted: 17 May 2006, 18:58:24 (333) Inclusive Post, etc. ‘n Toy Train Memories

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 20:14:29 (333) Acknowledgments & Comments

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 17 May 2006, 21:47:01 (333) Nite Howls!

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 17 May 2006, 21:49:41 (333) B&O Streamlined sleeping cars



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:21 AM


Happy Birthday Tom!

Here’s my little gift post for you on your day!

Subzero Canadian Steam – by Theodore Shrady - Vintage Rails No. 16 1999

No. 6231 seems ready to depart Tuscot Yard, Montreal, but in actuality it still has a good, cold hour’s worth of work to do.


The time: February 1959. The place: Montreal. Where: Canadian National Railway’s pool track west of Tuscot Yard. Weather: clear, bright blue, and five degrees below zero. Mercifully there was no wind.

It was the last harrah for Canadian steam, and for steam in all North America, actually. I was in college in upstate New York near Canada, and it was easy to slip across the border to see lots of working steam. On this particular trip I was concentrating on the action in and around the Montreal area. I had already been to Brockville, Ontario, a CNR division point that boasted a small steam facility.

CNR freight trains were still fairly abundant behind steam, a good many running between Brocville and Turcot Yard in Montreal, although some did go further west. Canadian Pacific Railway was running most of its commuter operation behind Royal Hudson and Pacific steam locomotives out of its Montreal Windsor Station. A few secondary, medium-distance CPR trains drew the 4-6-4s as their power. To a 20-year-old railfan who had seen little steam in his lifetime, the situation was a smorgasbord of railroading since lost in other areas.

On the particular occasion mentioned above, I had been down at the west end of Turcot Yard, inspecting and photographing CNR Northern 6231, which was tied to a freight. It seemed ready to depart, so I asked the fireman which was the train was heading, straight west on the main line or up the pool track to the CPR and north. “Pool track,” was the reply. I hotfooted it the half mile to the singletrack line, which was no easy task in knee-deep snow at five below. It was used to interchange freight between the two railroads to connect CNR’s east-west main line to lines north around Mount Royal Tunnel, which accepted only electrified equipment. The pool track was just west of the yard and ran uphill, which entailed a hefty pull for a steam locomotive under load. But it was the ideal spot for a railfan with camera. (The line was later multi-tracked on level terrain under the Canadian Pacific after Turcot became a terminal).

I positioned myself near the top on the incline to get the maximum effect of the struggling steam engine. The pool track was pretty much in the open, but trees blocked the lower portion an the yard. The light dictated that I had to stand to the right of the track next to a fence. It was not exactly the broader angle I had envisioned, but then I reasoned that a three-quarter wedge shot would be more dramatic. So far, so good. I could see wisps of smoke down the at the west end of the yard and presumed that my train was about to leave. After a 15-minute wait, I saw plumes of white smoke shoot into the air. I checked everything on the camera and my position for the umpteenth time. Suddenly, the plume stopped in its forward motion and backed up. Oh well, maybe the locomotive was taking up slack or something. Another 15 minutes went by. The routine went on like that for more than an hour, back and forth, back and forth. It turned out that the train was still being put together in the yard. I guessed the 4-8-4was doing its own work.

My feet were starting to go numb, and, even in gloves, the fingers were tingling to the point that I didn’t think I could pu***he shutter button. As the train didn’t appear to be moving anytime soon, I decided to relax and walk around a bit – more like ligh-stepping. I was careful during my walk not to disturb the snow within the picture area. The locomotive had to appear in virgin snow as if no one had been there. The feet worsened walking around, however, so I changed my tactic. This time I buried them below the snow into some brush and leaves for warmth. The wait continued.

Finally, the train (or more precisely the smoke) began to move with no backup. The adrenaline began to flow, and the numbness seemed to disappear – from the mind, at least. Again, I checked every setting and the angle. If I blew this one, it would be my own fault. The noise, in an otherwise serene setting, began to increase as the plumes of smoke got closer and higher. The sound was so crisp that it seemed to echo off of itself. The Northern came into view from behind the trees at the bottom of the hill and barked its way up the grade. The movement was slow but sure; each chuff was in perfect rhythm with no slip. The sand under the drivers was accomplishing its purpose. The smoke shot up 50 feet, then curled back along the train. It was thick, white and gray, like a series of cotton balls strung on a wire; and – as luck would have it – the smoke drifted away from the train. How many times have pictures been ruined by smoke between the subject and the camera? The image was perfect and absolutely breathtaking, so much so that I almost forgot to take the picture – but I didn’t. The freight slowly rumbled by on trembling ground as I pushed the shutter. Thank goodness the camera clicked. I reeled around to get a backshot, which was almost as dramatic as the front image. The sun backlighted the engine and smoke in bright shadowed contrasts.

Canadian National Northern 6231 works upgrade with a transfer freight on the pool track out of Turcot Yard on February 22, 1959. The picture-perfect day at five degrees below zero is a photographer’s dream.


Locomotive, tender, and tank cars gleam in the sun as the transfer charges past


The last car was gone in a few minutes. I was still in my reel-around backlight-shooting pose, taking in what I had just witnessed. When the steady chuffing died away, the scene returned to an almost death-like hush, except for the chirping of two exuberant chickadees nearby. Apparently, they were undisturbed by the previous racket, or they were used to it. Lucky them! My hands had practically no feeling, and my feet weren’t there, at least any sensation. I was strangely being held up by “something” in my boots. But strangely enough I didn’t mind. The numbing cold and the two-hour wait were well worth it, and I would – and did – do it again and again with no reservations. What I had experienced was one of the most powerful of railroad images, a steam engine working full out in subzero weather without a cloud in sight. Something like that becomes a personal prize, not unlike a precious antique that can’t be duplicated. The only regret about that perfect situation was that I took the front, wedge shot in horizontal format, which cut off part of the magnificent plume.

I learned something about photography that winter. The type of film, ASA rating, shutter speed, and iris opening are much different in winter than other photographic situations. I admit I never really mastered taking pictures in the snow like the pros, but I was satisfied by what I had. Other tricks of the cold came into play, too. Unless the camera is kept reasonably warm inside the jacket and under the arm, the shutter might stick. That is why I was so relieved when I heard the shutter click with 6231. Also, it helps to keep a pen in your mouth to prevent the ink from coagulating, and to put your notes in a warm pocket to keep the pen or pencil from skipping on the cold paper.

There were many other photo opportunities and winter scenes over the years, but a certain CNR Northern on a cold day in 1959 still remains one of my favorites.

Theodore Shrady worked for the New York Central in the mid-1960s until the Penn Central merger. Using his experiences there and much Amtrak travel thereafter, he has written many articles for various railroad magazines and books, including authoring the book Orange Blossom Special. Since 1968 he has been in Audio Visual, currently with Harvard University’s AV department.

[:I] A man was walking in the street when he heard a voice. "Stop! Stand still! If you take one more step, a brick will fall down on your head and kill you." The man stopped and a big brick fell right in front of him. The man was astonished.
He went on, and after awhile he was going to cross the road. Once again the voice shouted: "Stop! Stand still! If you take one more step a car will run over you and you will die." The man did as he was instructed, just as a car came careening around the corner, barely missing him.
"Where are you?" the man asked. "Who are you?"
"I am your guardian angel," the voice answered.
"Oh yeah?" the man asked. "And where were you when I got married?" [:I]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:02 AM
Well good morning chaps,have battled my way through the stacked up furniture and located the computer under the dust sheets (dont ask.......unplanned re-decorating is a curse from one of the lower circles of Hades )
Anyway,To the business at hand---[bday][bday][bday] [4:-)][oX)]TOM-Many happy returns my friend,hope the day brings pleasant suprises both large and small,will be in and out during the day in order to supervise preparation of party food,exotic ales,cocktails(beer in a fancy mug) and all the other essentials.
Also will try and review the past weeks entries so that I at least know what is going on around me....
Right,back to the plastering etc,enjoy the day Big Fella !!!!!
later,nick,[C=:-)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:49 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

You pushed one of my buttons with the B&O today so have to respond. Since I don't have model or toy trains I usually am not to active on Wednesday.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined sleeping Cars
By Al

The B&O would purchase 95 streamlined sleeping cars and lease three more for a period of time. Forty-three of the 95 sleeping cars owned by the B&O were heavyweights streamlined by Pullman Calumet for operation in the pre-WW II CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED trains. Of the remaining 52 lightweight stream-lined cars the B&O purchased 14 used from other roads. The CAPITOL LIMITED was inaugurated as an All-Pullman train between Baltimore - Washington and Chicago on May 12, 1923. Even though it was shown in the timetable as a Jersey City to Chicago train only one or two cars were forwarded beyond Washington in a connecting train to and from Jersey City. The CAPITOL LIMITED became one of the first fully air conditioned trains in 1932.
On November 23, 1938 the CAPITOL LIMITED began operating as a diesel powered All-Pullman streamliner between Washington and Chicago with through sleeping cars to and from Jersey City. The heavyweight cars except for the two dining cars were remodeled and streamlined by Pullman Calumet with full width diaphragms full skirting, rounded turtle roofs, and tight lock couplers. It is believed this was one of the first installations of tight lock couplers on heavyweight cars. The new lightweight cars were almost all equipped with tight lock couplers. B&O streamlined the two Dining cars in there own Mount Clare shops. The interiors of all cars after remodeling and streamlining featured indirect lighting and brighter colors than Pullman normally used but still conservative enough for the B&O. The original heavyweight cars streamlined for the CAPITOL LIMITED follow.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

CAPITOL GARDEN

CAPITOL HILL

14 Section Sleeping Cars

ALEXANDER BELL

JOHN ERICSSON

PARK SPUR

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

BRADSHAW

CASTLETON

GREEN BANK

GREEN SPRING

WESTFIELD

8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

CLOVER BAY

CLOVER CREST

CLOVER HEIGHTS

CLOVER HOLLOW

CLOVER LODGE

CLOVER PARK

GARDEN BROOK

GARDEN GLEN

8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping cars

LAUREL BRANCH

LAUREL DALE

36 Seat Dining Cars

1061 MARGARET BRENT

1062 VIRGINIA DARE

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 Seat Sun Room Solarium Observation

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

In October 1939 Pullman delivered two streamlined heavy-weight Sleeping cars for service in the CAPITOL LIMITED consists. These two cars were 8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars EMERALD BORDER and EMERALD WATERS.
Coaches were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED between August 4, 1940 and December 19, 1941 when the All Coach COLUMBIAN was inaugurated. At that time the CAPITOL LIMITED regained its All Pullman status.
Having seen the results of the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED increase passenger loads the B&O next turned their attention to the NATIONAL LIMITED the Washington - St. Louis train with cars to and from Jersey City. Once again like the CAPITOL LIMITED the timetable showed the NATIONAL LIMITED as a Jersey City - St. Louis train. Unlike the CAPITOL LIMITED the NATIONAL LIMITED carried both Coaches and Sleeping cars. The NATIONAL LIMITED also required four sets of equipment while the CAPITOL LIMITED only needed two. Again the B&O chose new EMC E units to power the streamlined train.
The B&O Mount Clare shops streamlined 19 heavyweight cars while Pullman Calumet streamlined 23 heavyweight cars. Only three Sun Room Solarium Observations were necessary as they did not run north of Washington to Jersey City. Again most of the NATIONAL LIMITED consists would be assembled in Baltimore/Washington. Only sixteen of the Mount Clare shops heavyweight stream-lined cars were destined for service in the NATIONAL LIMITED the other three were for additional cars for the COLUMBIANS. The NATIONAL LIMITED streamlined heavyweights are listed below.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

1302-1305

54 Revenue Seat Coaches

3550-3557

42 Seat Dining Lounge Cars

1077 - 1080

14 Section Sleeping Cars

PARK CITY

PARK FALLS

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

EAST AKRON

EAST MADISONVILLE

EAST NORWOOD

EAST SPARTA

EAST YOUNGSTOWN

UNIONVILLE

8 Section Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Cars

MERCHANTS CLUB

QUEEN CITY CLUB

8 Section Buffet 19 Seat Lounge Cars

MARYLAND CLUB

PITTSBURGH CLUB

10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Cars

LOCH AWE

LOCH DOON

LOCH EARN

LOCH LOMOND

8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

EMERALD BAY

EMERALD BROOK

EMERALD FALLS

EMERALD WAVES

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 seat Sun Room Solarium Observations

CAPITOL ESCORT

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

On January 15, 1941 The CAPITOL LIMITED received its first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. These were the two Pullman Pool cars CASCADE LOCKS and CASCADE BLUFFS with 10 Roomettes and 5 Double Bedrooms. The CAPITOL LIMITED operated these cars as Washington - Chicago sleepers.
On May 27, 1941 two additional CASCADE series cars began operating in the DIPLOMAT between Washington and Detroit again one of these cars per consist in the otherwise all heavyweight train. The DIPLOMAT was the premier train of the B&O between Washington and Detroit and had operated as All Pullman at one time. The two CASCADE Series cars assigned to the DIPLOMAT were CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY.
For whatever reason Pullman Standard opened their production line in September- October 1943 at the height of WW II long enough to deliver three new CASCADE series 10 roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the B&O for assignment between Washington and St. Louis in the NATIONAL LIMITED. The three CASCADE series sleeping cars were CASCADE DRIVE, CASCADE MUSIC and CASCADE SOUND. All seven of the CASCADE series sleeping cars would become B&O property in 1945 and would receive 7000 series numbers along with their names.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to B&O in 1941)
CAPITOL LIMITED
CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE LOCKS

DIPLOMAT
CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September October 1943 Plan: 4072F Lot: 6679 (Built for Pullman pool assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

CASCADE DRIVE

CASCADE MUSIC

CASCADE SOUND

In 1945 when the seven CASCADE series cars received 7000 series numbers along with their names they appeared as follows.

7000 CASCADE
BLUFF

7001 CASCADE
BOULDERS

7002 CASCADE
GULLY

7003 CASCADE
LOCKS

7004 CASCADE
DRIVE

7005 CASCADE
MUSIC

7006 CASCADE
SOUND

Beginning in April 1946 a through Los Angeles - Washington 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom VALLEY series sleeping car of the Santa Fe traveled daily east of Chicago in the CAPITOL LIMITED o and from Washington. This car traveled west of Chicago in the Santa Fe CHIEF to and from Los Angeles. This was one of the earliest through sleeping car services instituted.
Between April and June 1948 the B&O received their first lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars built new for the railroad. These were eight Pullman Standard built 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars. Four were assigned to each consist of the CAPITOL LIMITED train sets. Initially three were assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED but were replaced by through MP cars from Houston and Fort Worth later that year and the B&O 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars reverted to the CAPITOL LIMITED. Apparently the MP did not like B&O colors breaking up the MP color scheme of the new TEXAS EAGLES.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - June 1948 Plan: 4153B Lot: 6776 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7010 PAW PAW

7011 MAHONING

7012 MONOCACY

7013 MUSKINGUM

7014 PATUXENT

7015 CACAPON

7016 SANGAMON

7017 SCIOTO

As the streamlined cars were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED in the latter train's case they were MP, Frisco and M-K-T cars with few actual B&O sleeping cars in the NATIONAL LIMITED at this time.
The older heavyweight streamlined cars from the NATIONAL LIMITED and CAPITOL LIMITED were passed down to the AMBASSADOR, DIPLOMAT, and SHENANDOAH upgrading those trains with more modern appearing sleeping cars.
In March 1950 the B&O received ten 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard and eight of these were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED pool so each train set had four. The 14-4 cars were then transferred to the AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH and DIPLOMAT adding newer streamlined sleeping cars to those trains. The SHENANDOAH received the remaining two new 10-6 cars from the Pullman Standard order. These cars were part of the huge C&O order for cars that the C&O and NKP Advisory Mechanical Committee (AMC) had developed. The Double Bedrooms were all located in the center of the sleeping cars with five roomettes located at each end over the trucks. Besides the ten cars built new for the B&O the IC received five and the D&RGW received four. The thirteen NKP cars differed slightly and were not part of the C&O order although the NKP took part in the design of the C&O cars providing mechanical engineers to the AMC. The C&O received fifty-six 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the original order and even this number was more than they needed or could put to use. In October 1950 the C&O sold four to the ACL and five to the IC with two more sold to the IC in November, 1950 and a final car sent to the IC in January 1951 after the Christmas rush ended.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7040 AUGLAISE

7041 CATOCTIN

7042 GUYANDOTTE

7043 KOKOSING

7044 MUSCATATUCK

7045 OPEQUON

7046 SHENANGO

7047 TUSCARAWAS

7048 TYGART

7049 YOUGHIOGHENY

In December 1950 the B&O received three Dome Sleeping cars with 5 Roomettes 3 Drawing Rooms 1 Single Bedroom and 24 seats in the Dome. These three cars were originally built for the C&O for their stillborn CHESSIE. These Budd built cars were originally delivered to the C&O in August 1948 as daytime private room cars numbered 1850 - 1852. The C&O considered assigning these cars to the SPORTSMAN for operation between Washington and Detroit and was prepared to name them 1850 BELLE ISLE DOME, 1851 CHAMBERLIN DOME and 1852 HAMPTON ROADS DOME. The names were never applied and the cars were sold to the B&O in December 1950. Two of the cars 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and the third car 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME was assigned to the SHENANDOAH operating every other day in one train set. These three cars were fitted with roof mounted headlights to light up the passing scenery on the nocturnal journeys of the SHENANDOAH and CAPITOL LIMITEDS. There were clearance problems on the route of the NATIONAL LIMITED and that is why the three domes were assigned to the Chicago - Washington route. The three domes certainly set the CAPITOL LIMITED apart from the competition on the Washington Chicago route such as the PRR LIBERTY LIMITED. The CAPITOL LIMITED began Dome service January 8, 1951.

24 SEAT STRATA-DOME 5 ROOMETTE 3 DRAWING ROOM 1 SINGLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 - 017 (Built for C&O CHESSIE never operated in that train purchased by B&O December 1950)

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME ex C&O BELLE ISLE DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME ex C&O CHAMBERLIN DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME ex C&O HAMPTON ROADS DOME originally C&O 1852

In February 1951 the B&O received two used 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations from the C&O. These cars were delivered to the C&O in 1950 so were virtually new when sold to the B&O. These cars had squared off Observation ends and were probably among the most attractive Observations of this type ever constructed. The first two cars were the 7502 DANA the former C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and the 7503 METCALF former C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB. These cars were assigned to the two consists of the Baltimore/Washington - Detroit AMBASSADOR beginning February 15, 1951.
In March 1951 two additional 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations identical to the first two arrived on the B&O from the C&O. After repainting and renumbering these two B&O 7500 NAPPANEE ex C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 7501 WAWASEE ex C&O WOLVERINE CLUB were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED. The new cars replaced the old prewar streamlined heavyweight Solarium Observations in CAPITOL LIMITED service.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6863 (Built for and assigned C&O Sold to B&O in February - March 1951 for assignment to AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED)

7500 NAPPANNEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The B&O next received an order for eleven 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the Budd Company in May-June 1954. These cars all named for Birds were assigned to such trains as the CAPITOL LIMITED AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH, NATIONAL LMITED and other trains. These cars would later serve the B&O as SLUMBERCOACHES and finally eight of these cars would be sold to the SCL for SLUMBERCOACH service between New York and Miami.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company May - June 1954 Plan: 9536 Lot: 9658 - 137 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

7100 BOBOLINK

7101 CARDINAL

7102 GULL

7103 KINGFISHER

7104 MOCKINGBIRD

7105 ORIOLE

7106 QUAIL

7107 ROBIN

7108 SWAN

7109 THRUSH
7110 WREN

Seeking to upgrade the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O purchased three NYC prewar 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations that were assigned to the pre WW II SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED. The three cars arrived on the B&O in January 1956 and after repainting and refurbishing the three cars entered B&O service with the same names they had carried while in NYC service.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

Beginning April 5, 1957 the B&O assigned lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED. These replaced the prewar heavyweight streamlined Dining cars of 1938 in CAPITOL LIMITED. The car were purchased used from the NYC where they had operated in the DETROITER and even the WOLVERINE. The two Twin Unit Dining cars were originally built for the C&O as part of the 1950 order. Four of the Dormitory Kitchen cars and four of the Dining Room cars were sold to the NYC. It was two each of these that were sold to the B&O for the CAPITOL LIMITED as follows.
1092 DINING ROOM CAR and 1093 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 409 - 472 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE"S TAVERN C&O 1956 CALDWELLS KITCHEN

1094 DINING ROOM CAR and 1095 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 410 - 473 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

The B&O purchased four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars used from the C&O in 1957 and after repainting the cars entered service assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED. B&O 7052 SCHUYLKILL and 7053 SHENANDOAH entered service in February 1957. In March B&O 7051 CUYAHOGA entered B&O service followed by 7050 ALLEGHENY in April 1957.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - July 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6864 (Built for and assigned to C&O trains sold to B&O 1957 assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

7050 ALLEGHENY originally C&O 2603 CITY OF MOUNT HOPE

7051 CUYAHOGA originally C&O 2635 TOWN OF PRINCE

7052 SCHUYLKILL originally C&O 2643 CITY OF MUSKEGON

7053 SHENANDOAH ex C&O 2655 CITY OF PETOSKEY originally C&O 2655 CITY OF ATHENS

In February 1958 the B&O received a pair of the new 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumber coaches from Budd numbered and named 7700 SLUMBERLAND and 7701 DREAMLAND. The pair were assigned to the COLUMBIAN the all coach overnight streamliners between Baltimore and Chicago. These trains had been combined with the AMBASSADOR east of Willard Ohio so the Coach Observations were assigned elsewhere. Eventually the B&O would combine the CAPITOL LIMITED and COLUMBIAN between Baltimore and Chicago and the AMBASSADOR between Baltimore and Willard Ohio in both directions. Finally the COLUMBIAN name would be dropped and the combined CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN would be known as the CAPITOL LIMITED.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691-211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIAN)

7700 SLUMBERLAND
7701 DREAMLAND

In May 1959 the B&O received three leased Slumbercoaches from the Budd Company for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED between Baltimore and St. Louis. The three leased Slumbercoaches were numbered and named 7702 RESTLAND, 7703 SLEEPLAND and 7704 THRIFTLAND.
In September, 1959 the Missouri Pacific received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach leased from Budd numbered and named 699 SOUTHLAND. At that time the B&O and MP Slumbercoaches began a Washington - San Antonio daily service operating in the NATIONAL LIMITED east of St. Louis and the TEXAS EAGLE west of St. Louis.
When the lease was up the MP and B&O both returned these Slumbercoaches to Budd who promptly sold them to the NP for NORTH COAST LIMITED - MAINSTREETER service.

TTFN Al
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:47 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A Bathams please and I'll add a bit to the scuttle for tomorrow night[tup].

I tried to take a pic for Model day but have run out of batteries[sigh].

LARS Enjoyed the Lionel encore, it seems the supplier of the SP smoke pellets was on to a good thing. Thanks for the kind words. I know I really shall miss my daily visit to Our Place while over the pond.

Great post this afternoon MIKE with the Amtrak on the D&H, and another pic of a PA and in the snow plus a great pic of a D&H Dome car[tup].

DOUG Glad you liked the LNER web site it is one of the best for loco info I have found
Another great article with the Toy Train Memories yes my first loco was at Christmas too.
Good advice in getting a train set for a youngster as well.[tup].
If one could manufacture that remote you would soon be a millionaire.

TOM Thanks for the B&O Nostalgia.[tup].
The St George Arms does indeed look a great pub and it would be a lot easier to get me in there than out[:)]. The local Cream Ale has got me wondering what it tastes like.

My friend from England has booked me on a steam trip on May 27th from Birmingham to Scarborough( Yorkshire) a fair distance, hauled both ways by ex LMS Jubilee class 3-cylinder, 4-6-0 # 5690 LEANDER. just as well as the West Coast Main Line through Rugby is completely closed for three days, so my mate says, for the removal of the EX Great Central steel girder bridge which spans the tracks south of the station. The bridge last saw trains in 1969 and has stood in isolation for many years. It was a very popular location in steam days for railfans when it was known as the 'Birdcage' .

From what I saw of the Cards game they look like two well matched sides so I hope you have a great time at the game.[tup][tup][tup]. PETE.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM
Evenin! Gents!

Not the most active day 'round the "Hit 'n Miss Bar 'n Grill," but certanly not the worst either! Good to see some life about the place and all the efforts to keep the flow - flowing! [swg]

This is for 20 Fingers Al - We've said it B4 and we'll say it again - the ONLY "theme" we have is on Tuesday - and that's for Railroads from Yesteryear. Saturday we encourage ENCORES!. The Toy 'n Model Railroad Day! featured on Wednesday is not meant to preclude the Posting of any other material . . . . You've Posted over on "my other Thread," but not here. So, don't be shy - this is where YOUR stool is! [tup]

Good to see ya Doug - the morning just wasn't the same without your Post to get us going. [tup] That "Girlfriend Remote" is a gudun - but couldn't enlarge it.

Interesting background on the transition to the Amtrak era along the route to Montreal. Leave it to wanswheel Mike URLMeisterMonster to come up with something like that! [tup] And, no - it wasn't CM3 who got me to mow the "south forty," it was my bride! [swg]

Liked that toy train memories story from barndad Doug. [tup] Well done and some memories in there for many of us, eh [?]

Thanx for the rundown on the brews at the St. George Arms, Rob! Didn't think you were such an avid brew watcher! [swg] And no, Lars he DIDN'T "come across!" <frown> Wait 'til we get him down here in St. Louis!<grin> Anyway, Pete with all those fine Canadian beers, why not imbibe as the locals do [?] [yeah]

Okay, Gents - I'm going to watch the rest of the Cardinals vs Mets game!

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Boris Ring the bell - drinks on the house! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:58 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I’ll be needing a bottomless draught, please, and of course I’ll be buying a round for the house! Time for me to play catch-up again, starting with Ted's posted recommendations when visiting the Toronto area. I hope to one day be needing the advise! Nice little D&H streamliner from Al, but I guess when you only have two streamliner passenger trains, that’s what you get! CM3 provided coal-carrying related material, which is a subject I always enjoy. Really top-notch post Tom on the D&H, and thoroughly enjoyed your trip pix. It was nice to not have to wait till Sunday to see those! (I’ll bet there are more). Peter, that was an excellent URL on the Gresly! Really terrific reading. Here it is again for everyone, in case they missed it. http://www.lner.info/locos/W/w1.shtml Nice contribution to the D&H theme Rob. Purty picture too! And that was yesterday.

Today Tom started us with a fine Marx article, and Ted shared pix of his layout. Lars made an appearance and shared a fine Lionel article. I hope your situations will be improving for you compadre. Good to see Mike! Thanks for your comments and D&H submission, and the rail travel news. I believe you had another outstanding post yesterday too, if I recall. The there was a B&O train nostalgia post from Tom. Did someone here mention he was having a birthday?

OK …here’s the post I should have had ready for this morning, but I just didn’t get ‘er done till just now. It’s Christmas-time related, but I thought there was enough good info here that it wouldn't matter. Hope ya’ll get something you can use from it.

Toy Train Memories: Yesterday and Tomorrow by Allan W. Miller VR No.16

Following up in t eh article that appeared in the last Issue of VR (“Toy Trains and the Holiday Tradition”), I ventured out onto that vast information superhighway known as the internet to ask toy train enthusiasts how and when they get started into the hobby. Almost invariably, the responses received were linked to the traditional first toy train set found under the tree on Christmas morning. But despite the commonality of the occasion, each story nevertheless also had its own distinctive, personal twist.

“I wish I could write that I received my first train set on Christmas, but it was the other way around,” wrote Pat Fusco. “I was born Christmas eve, and my first train set got home before I did. SO, it received me! My earliest childhood memory was the red and green light from the Lionel Rotary Beacon spinning from the far corner of the board. It’s been a lifetime of collecting and operating trains since then!”

Frank Racibozynski recounted how “In 1948, my mother and father and I lived in the kitchen and bedroom of my grandparents’ house because of the post-war housing shortage. Although space was tight, and I was only two-and-a-half years old, my parents knew that I wanted a train that went “choo-choo” and “woo-woo.” On Christmas morning I woke up and saw an oval of O gauge track, with a short freight headed by a trusty Lionel No. 675 steamer. I was so surprised that I didn’t know what to do except shout, “Take it back to Santa Claus!” Fortunately, I settled down and had a hobby for life. Unfortunately, I had to hear that story at least once a year thereafter.”

Furthermore, the toy trains-and-holiday tradition obviously wasn’t restricted to Christian celebrants. A dedicated hobbyist of the Jewish faith, Eric Edelman, related that “It was the winter of 1978, and I was eight years old. Since we were a Jewish family, there was no Christmas tree to run a train around! Nevertheless – and luckily for me – my father had not forgotten my love of trains, and my bug Hanukkah present that year was Lionel Set No. 1865 – the Chesapeake Flyer. When I arrived home, I was directed down to the basement. There, on a 4’ X 8’ table, was my new train set. There were also a few buildings, some road signs and telephone poles, and a plastic bridge. But the best part of the new set was the chuffing sound the little steam engine was making as it went around the track puffing smoke, That Chesapeake Flyer set was terrific!”

Other respondents related similar accounts, each with its own special memory. The universal and binding element, however, was the holiday season, and it is quite obvious that a majority of today’s active model railroaders and train collectors can trace their heritage back to December of one year or another.
That being the case, and since that season is upon us once again, maybe it’s time that you considered getting your loved ones involved in the fun-filled holiday tradition, perhaps even launching one or more of them into what will eventually be a lifelong love affair with trains. But the question is: where and how to start?

To answer that question, among others, it might be appropriate to provide readers with something of a buyers guide – a select few hints and tips that hopefully will make entry in to the train hobby a pleasant experience for both the purchaser and the recipient of such a meaningful, potentially lifelong gift.

Strange as it may seem, there actually are more electric toy trains to choose from today then there ever were in the 1940s and 1950s. But more product choices may also lead to increased consumer confusion, not to mention frustration. To avoid that problem, it’s worthwhile to keep the following points in mind as you work on your holiday gift list.

First, and perhaps most important, consider the age of the intended user. Try to match the size (scale) of the train with the skills and abilities of the individual who will most often be using it, and remember that these are electrical products, rarely recommended for the very young. Some train components are simply too delicate or intricate to be handled properly and safely by eager young hands. Electric trains today come in a wide array of sizes, ranging from the minuscule Z scale (1/220 the size of the real thing) at the small end to No. 1 scale (1/22.5 or thereabouts) at the large end. At various points in between fall a number of popular sizes, including N scale (1/160), HO (1/87), and O (1/48). Of these, O gauge (pronounced O-gauge) perennially reigns as the size of choice among most first-time holiday season buyers. Why is O gauge so popular?

Well, for one thing, O gauge retains a strong and enduring link with tradition. During the first half of this century, the name “Lionel” meant the train of choice with consumers, in part because of its deserved reputation for durability and reliability; in part because its unique three-rail track system provided easy, trouble-free set-up and operation: and in large part because the Lionel Corporation itself went to great pains to brand its product through an aggressive advertising program.

Because Lionel became such a well-known brand name, Lionel Trains have retained their ranking as a favored holiday gift. But Lionel’s long-term success also spurred some healthy competition, and now there are also a number of newer manufacturers whose products are well worth considering. Chief among these, in terms of providing complete starter sets, are MTH Electric Trains and K-Line Electric Trains.

How about the other sizes and scales? Electric trains in scales smaller than O are probably not the best choice for an around-the-tree initiation into model railroading fun. For one thing, they appear awfully small when viewed from the sofa. Furthermore, because their components are more delicate, they don’t really lend themselves to repeated handling by youngsters, or to on-the-carpet operation. However, the larger-scale-trains – generally classified as No. 1 scale, G gauge, or simply Large Scale – are a viable alternative to O gauge. First popularized in the United States by the German form Lehmann, in the form of their LGB line of trains designed for both indoor and outdoor operation, Large Scale trains are now offered by a number of manufacturers. They’re big, rugged, reliable, and quiet running. And most Large Scale manufacturers, including LGB, Aristocraft, Marklin, and Bachmann, among others, offer an array of their products in affordable starter sets. These trains are ideal for young hands; and, best of all, after the holidays you can set them up and run them outdoors!

Just what is a “starter set,” and how much does one cost? A starter set is basically a complete electric train outfit designed to get one started in model railroading. It contains everything needed to get things up and running, including a locomotive, cars, track (usually enough to make a simple oval), transformer or power pack, connecting wires, and perhaps even a few accessories. For the uninitiated, a starter set is the recommended way to go, in large part because these complete sets generally cost less than the price of their individual components purchased separately. Good quality O and G gauge starter sets can be found for around $150 – not bad for what could be a lifetime investment in fun!

When shopping for a starter set, pay attention to the various features offered. Does the locomotive have a whistle or horn? Is it equipped with sound? If it’s a steamer, does it puff smoke? Do any of the cars light up, or operate in any way? Both youngsters and oldsters love action-packed toy trains!

Where should you purchase your first train set? An obvious choice might be the local discount store, where bargain prices might be found. But today’s bargain may be tomorrow’s headache. Because electric toy trains are mechanical devices with multiple moving parts, it stands to reason that, from time to time over the years, maintenance and repairs might be needed. Periodic basic maintenance may be handled easily by the operator or parent, while more intricate repairs may require the attention of someone skilled in the mechanical aspects of toy train construction.

For that reason, it’s advisable to buy your first train set at a local hobby or train shop – one that’s going to have what you need when you want to expand the set with additional track and accessories, and one that can help you with repairs and additional information.

Where can I get more information about electric toy train sets? Again, your best bet is to stop by your local hobby shop or train store. If the person behind the counter can’t provide answers, chances are that the store stocks a number of books and periodicals that can.

The season is here! You obviously enjoy railroading, because you’re reading this magazine. There’s no time like the present to share that enjoyment with others in your circle of family and friends, and an electric train under the tree might be all the inspiration that’s needed!

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:36 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Pete, let me endorse everything you say, and add my hope that Ted's day with the VA is going well.

Doug, wherever you are, I always enjoy your posts.

CM3, you seem to have got Tom to mow his lawn today.

Rob, the Adirondack train was expected to be have been picked up by Amtrak from day one, May 1, 1971, but the state of New York had budget problems and withdrew from an agreement to subsidize 2/3 of the expected losses, or the real cost of running a train. So until what I call "my father's train" (the Montrealer) started rolling in September 1972, there was no New York to Montreal Amtrak service.

A day late, but here's a pretty picture of the old D&H train.
http://www.vermontel.net/~tomh/19n.jpg

From Rail Travel News, and it's up to the reader to agree or disagree with the "facts"

"To give the background to the Adirondack startup, in the summer of 1974 Roger Lewis, Amtrak's first president, had just been re-elected by his board of directors. There was a great deal of criticism of Amtrak throughout the US, and many blamed Amtrak's problems on Lewis.

In retrospect we know that President Nixon had told Lewis at the time Amtrak was formed that Amtrak's job was to oversee the orderly discontinuance of the passenger train in the US.

But there were numerous calls for Amtrak expansion and formation of new routes. Congress voted that Amtrak must initiate experimental routes each year, and dedicated extra funding for them. Several new routes were begun, but Amtrak's real need was to have reliable equipment. It was still using railroad hand-me-down equipment that had been partially refurbished. Breakdowns and derailments were too common.

When Lewis refused more money offered by Congress, it was the last straw for his presidency. Fortune magazine, that bastion of conservative economics, published a scathing article calling for a replacement for Lewis and supporting the importance of passenger trains in our transportation system.

The Amtrak board considered appointing a chief operating officer who had railroad experience; Lewis was from an airline background. Later, Lewis's place would be taken by Paul Reistrup, a railroader and train lover. But for now Lewis and the federal DOT continued to oppose Congressional attempts to stimulate Amtrak. DOT Secretary Brinegar made it clear that passenger trains had no place in modern transportation. He would soon resign.

The first big energy crisis in America had begun in 1973, and by the summer of 1974 Amtrak was swamped with new passengers. Patronage increases on its various routes were in the double digits. (Examples: L.A.-Seattle up 85%, Chicago-Oakland up 83%, Empire Service up 104%; overall ridership in March 1974 was up 45%.)

But Amtrak tried to resist starting new services because of a shortage of equipment. The trains it had were packed and breaking down.

One route that was added quite quickly was the NY-Montreal Adirondack, because there was equipment available and because the State of NY assisted with expenses.
The Delaware & Hudson Railway's train on the route, the Laurentian, was discontinued when Amtrak began operations. Essentially the Adirondack was a replacement for that train. Amtrak wanted to name the train the Laurentian (or even the Laurentide), but could not because it didn't own the name. So it settled on "Adirondack".

The D&H Railway was actually enthusiastic about the startup. The new service used some of its equipment: cars and the Alco PA locomotives loved by railfans. Canadian Pacific Skyline domes were leased for the service; and some Amtrak-owned ex-NY Central and ex-C&EI cars were used, along with NY State-owned MTA cars.

Freight engines were also used temporarily at the beginning.
On one of the early runs, an RTN reporter wrote that a 10-year-old boy stowed away, riding for 110 miles hanging onto the exterior of the train before sneaking inside and getting caught. The inaugural press run was covered by the late "E.M. Frimbo" in the Aug 26, 1974 edition of the New Yorker magazine.

D&H president Carl Bruce Sterzing, Jr., a railfan, rode the cab of the inaugural train from Albany NY north, leaving guests in his private rail car to fend for themselves."

Also, from a newspaper account of the first run by Amtrak on August 5, 1974:

The trip was marred, but not delayed by a last-minute strike called by the United Transportation Union locals representing engineers, firemen and conductors of the Delaware & Hudson Railroad, which operates the Adirondack.

When employees walked off the job in a dispute over the number of trainmen assigned to the Adirondack, supervisors boarded at Albany to complete the run to Montreal. Though no picket lines had been established at Albany before the Governor boarded, union officials denounced the Governor's presence on what one called "a scab train." [refers to Malcomb Wilson, the lieutenant governor who had replaced the now Vice President Rockefeller.]

From Grand Central Terminal to the station at Rensalaer across the river from Albany, the Adirondack consisted of four refurbished D&H coaches tacked on to the rear of the regular New York-Buffalo Empire Service train. At Renssalaer, the Montreal train took shape. A gleaming D&H diesel locomotive in bright yellow and silver colors and sporting two American flags up front was waiting, plus a tavern lounge dome car leased from the Canadian Pacific http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picCP507d.jpg and a private D&H observation car with "back porch."

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