"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

6th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place

WHEN [?] . . . Wednesday, Oct 12th

TIME [?] . . . Any time!

FOR [?] . . . All customers of "Our" Place, but in particular, the members of the Order of the Stools

THEME [?] . . . A personal railroading experience. Yes, personal! Doesn't matter if you've mentioned it previously - "do overs" are more than welcome! [tup]

Thanx to Manager and part-time Desperado, Ted for this most appropriate idea for the celebration! [tup][tup][tup]

Remember, no participation equates to no interest 'round here! Don't be left out, this has all the makings for a grand time at our bar 'n grill - help us make it so! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Soo Line

Headquarters: Minneapolis, MN

Mileage:

1954: 3,159
1961 (before 1985 acquisition of Milwaukee Road): 4,719

Locomotives in 1954:

Steam: 47
Diesel: 76

Rolling stock in 1954:

Freight cars: 8,035
Passenger cars: 128

Principal routes (w/Wisconsin Central) in 1954:

Chicago-Minneapolis/St. Paul
Minneapolis-Portal, ND
Minneapolis-Sault Ste. Marie, MI
Dresser, WI-Duluth, MN
Owen, WI-Duluth, MN
Glenwood-Noyes, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Atlantic Limited (Minneapolis-Boston, with CP and B&M east of Sault Ste. Marie)
Copper Country Limited (Chicago-Calumet, MI with CMStP&P Chicago-Champion, MI, thence DSS&A/Soo to Calumet)
Duluth-Superior Limited (Minneapolis-Duluth)
Laker (Chicago-Duluth & Minneapolis &Ashland, WI; rerouted to Superior, WI from Duluth in 1961)
Mountaineer (St. Paul-Vancouver, BC, with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Soo Dominion (St. Paul-Vancouver with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Winnipeger (St. Paul-Winnipeg, MB, with CP from Noyes to Winnipeg)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

G'mornin' we few, trust your day will be another welcomed "T.G.I.F." Sure glad I'm not living in N.Y. sweating the subway threats. Just driving the streets 'round here is scary enough. Let's see, a good old fashioned glazed cruller and Brazillian boiled beans should do the trick this A.M. Hey Tom and Nick, I wrested the Flounder fillets from the depths of the walk-in freezer where Boris was catching a few "ZZZs" for his mid afternoon siesta. Otto's Monacle and Manacle Shoppe? Why yes, I did drop in once, prompted by morbid curiosity. Couldn't get beyond the first showcase displaying sundry items of carnal arousel. Wouldn't want any of that appearing on my Visa invoices, don't cha now.[xx(]

Rob and Russell you have mail. The Title of the K.C. Star article in question is: "Symbol of the city." My Uncle sent this special section to me 6 years ago. BTW, the "massacre" in front of Union Station is also examined in the article. Seems K.C. was rife with "Mob" crime during and after the Pendergast machine.[:O] This would be contemporary with the Al Capone days in Chicago (circa 1930's).[#offtopic] Okay, pull your leash lanyard Boris, this round is on me. Tom, while I'm still "off base," thought I'd mention a similar confrontation to your's in the "City." This occured in Regina, Saskatchewan (the Hub of U.S. Draft Dodgers). I didn't need to clinch a fist as the local Canadians "cleaned their plow" at the first sign of an ultrication.[tup] We all then repaired to the Hotel pub for a "serious" night of ribaldry.[^]

Troy, seems we share in common the "itch" to "scratch." I did a few items of rolling stock in 'HO', a couple of 'S' gauge standard heavyweights and a Cinn. Car in 1:30 'G' gauge. I do work from shop plans (dimensions) where possible but go from photos for structures. Hopefully, I will have some pix up for the "Our" Place Sunday Photo Fun a.s.a.practical. The P.C.C. should be a challange with its delicate contours, recesses, et al. Still, working in 'G' is sooo much nicer than knuckle bending on the smaller genre. My "off the shelf" stuff is Aristo Craft (Gas Electric, Boxs, standard R.P.O., etc.). Have you seen the "working" snow plow being touted in "Garden Railways Magazine (this issue)?" The streamer is worth a look because it really performs.[^] As you know, models as well as protoypes are welcomed, so don't be a stranger. Say, if you haven't scoped Rob and Pete's links as yet, I'm sure you will get a "boot" out of them.

"Right you lot,"[C=:-)] let's see what we can do with a Maple Leaf stuffing for the Canadian Thanksgiving bird of choice.[swg] 'Course that follows the Sunday photo ops. Then, come the 12th, its "Our" Place 6 month observance extravaganza repleat with entertainments and, hopefully, some personal input from our "Order of the Stools" membership.[tup] Come on Members, how about some personal snipettes from your railroading past? Cindy, another round please and Boris...you know what to do. CLANG- -CLANG- -CLANG Gadfrey Daniel! Cindy, do you take Visa?[:(!]

[siberianmo]

[#welcome] Home Chief Officer Fergie! Another trip logged and some inport time to take full advantage of. [yeah] I recall those days (daze)!

Nice of you to stop by this morning, and YES I'd love to enjoy a Keiths. Whoa! This is a bar 'n grill, I can have as many of those and some others, as I wish! [yeah] Somehow, the taste is just a tad "off." [swg]

Glad the Emails were some degree of pleasantness for you while up in the Arctic. As we've discussed - didn't have that capability back in "my day." Then again, motive powered ships were rather new as well! <grin>

You might enjoy the Fallen Flags series that are rather recent. Suggest you check the SUMMARY page for more detail on how to find 'em.

Catch ya later and don't be a stranger!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Reminder: Tonight is Pizza Nite plus Steak ‘n Fries to start the weekend! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM! [tup]

Info for the Day:

Comin’ Events:

Saturday, Oct 8th : OKTOBERFEST!
Sunday, Oct 9th Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Wednesday, Oct 12th: The 6th month Anniversary of the creation of ”Our” Place.

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags, etc.

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” 1800’s & early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 CP Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)
125 – AT&SF
127 – B&O
127 – B&O Strata-Dome ad
127 – B&O Encor! ad
128 – CM&StP
129 – CB&Q
129 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 CN Hotels, Ltd.

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 00:05:35 (129) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 00:50:50 (129)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 07:31:38 (129) ]Fallen Flag – CB&Q

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 10:46:27 (129)

(5) troybetts Troy Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:09:35 (129)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:27:28 (129) reply to trolleyboy & theodorebear

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 12:40:38 (129) reply to troybetts

(8) troybetts Troy Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 14:19:41 (129)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 14:41:58 (129) CN Hotels, Ltd.

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:01:57 (129)

(11) BudKarr BK Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:07:46 (129)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 17:34:35 (129) reply to troybetts – pwolfe – BudKarr

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 18:30:24 (130)

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 18:47:44 (130)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 19:24:12 (130) reply to West Coast S & Theodorebear

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 20:02:48 (130)

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Oct 2005, 08:02:41 (130) catch up

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gang!

Looks like I've gotta bit of catch up before gettin' the Summary out .....

Checked out rather early last night - really was tired! [zzz] Happens! [swg]

Ted I've really "racked my brain" and cannot for the life of me come up with the name of the hotel in Mobile. That was 1950, though and I was 12! Anyway, I remember it was "catywumpus" from the Waterman Steamship headquarters building on the main street in Mobile. I rather large and elegant place. Did some searches on the web just to see if there are any "hits" on "hotels of the 1950's in Mobile" - but came up empty.

By the by, there's a lady looking for you, oh there she is

said her name is Chrissy and she really, really needs to talk to you about a <ahem> personal matter of delicacy. Stay tuned .......... [swg]

Nick A great all inclusive Post from our West Wales Correspondent - good show, mate! [tup][tup][tup] Now, what did you say [?] <grin>

I'm hardly at my enlistment weight back in '56. That would be nice, but some things have changed and others have "shifted." [swg] Happens. I suspect this weight loss will be a temporary thing - alas. I would really like to trim ship a bit before the winter sets in and I become even more lethargic.

Should you be able to make the Rendezvous in Toronto we'll just have to sample all of those beers that Rob and you seem to think I know very little about! Remember - I'm the guy who introduced many of the gang to Alexander Keiths (fine) Pale Ale from Nova Scotia as well as Kokanee from British Columbia. If it's a challenger you are hinting at - bring it on! [yeah]

I took another "tour" of your pix and your model railroad. Really like the mix that you've put together. That's one of the more pleasant aspects of the hobby - if it works for you, that's all that matters! [tup] Nice photography and even better inventory.

There are a couple of things in life that really, really wear me down. I've never been able to master the technique of digging fence post holes without completely exhausting myself. Next comes pulling the starter rope on a balky gasoline engine for a mower or other "labor saving" equipment. Then there's sawing wood, as in trees. Just knocks me out every time. Obviously I put too much of myself into it much too fast. Kinda the same way with ....... but that's for another day, perhaps in Toronto in May! [swg

Rob Those elegant hotels constructed, owned and operated by CPR and CNR weren't for the likes of the "common folk." Sad to say, but really true. They were for the Gentry and the other well-healed travelers. It's nice, though, to take a step back in time and frequent one of the remaining bastions of luxury. Always brings to mind what it must have been like for those others in life who were able to enjoy the surroundings.

The beer capitulation is accepted - LaBatts Blue it shall be! [swg] Okay, rest easy Vito the Hit - the man doesn't need new "shoes" made of concrete. I told you, he's okay....... <Geesh>

I received your Email inquiry and am trying to locate the URL for you ....

Pete When the idea of a Rendezvous first came up, I really thought seriously about Great Britain and Nick. Then the reality set in, spelled out - C-O-S-T-S for the travel. Perhaps one day - and it would definitely be a wonderful place to go.

Always find it a bit humorous that the first place many of us locate aboard ship or the long distance train, is the bar! [swg] Now, I have very little experience drinking aboard ship - seriously. In our Coast Guard and Navy it is prohibited big time and a serious matter if caught at it. Just another difference between "us" and "you." Anyway, imbibing aboard moving objects, as in trains and planes, well that's an entirely different matter. Something about "motion" that does it ...... [swg]

Still can't access that site - I'll check the web to see if perhaps there's another way "in."

Catch ya later guys! Remember, Cindy comes in at 9 AM and will be here 'til 5 PM. [wow]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Fergmiester]

Good Morning Gents

It's a bit early but ah what the heck make mine a

Kieth's!

Well it's good to be home on the dry stuff for a while and in a more temperate climate. Though the heat once I got home was a bit oppresive (High 60's)

I spent three hours on the tarmack yesterday afternoon with three inches of snow on the ground and a 30 knot wind and engaged in flight ops. A tad too chilly!

Yes it's good to get home!

Lisa will be bringing home some more Kieth's tonight Tom... Want one?

Anyway I thought I'd drop in and say hello and by the way Tom thanks for the e-mails as they were always a highlight to a normally laclustre day.

Later Gents

Fergie

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.

[wow][C=:-)]NICK has made me really think of England with the Fish and Chips. The wife can't believe we used to wrap them in newspaper. I'll have the plaice as it was not always available at our local chippy. You had to ask for one to be put in and wait while it cooked and of course it cost more. A pint of Bathams to wash it down please.

YES TED you would be more than welcome to come to England. It would be great if we could have a OUR PLACE visit there. At the moment I dont know when I can get back over.

As to the ISLE OF MAN to my shame I have only been there once over 20 years ago. A friend and I sailed from Heysham Lancashire on the Isle of Man Steam Packet Co. Manx Queen. It was a smallish ship with about 6 motor cars on the stern. We found the bar as the restaurant had a large queue. It was quite busy but soon emptied until there was just three of us and the bar-man. The bar was situated mid-ships and it wasnt until I had to go to the heads that I realised that the Irish Sea had gotten quite rough. When we got to the little hotel the owner said he had been there 15 years and that was the first ferry he has seen dock sidewards.Being new to the sea then I was blissfully unaware.

The Isle of Man was just like stepping back in time. They used to sell a 3 day ticket valid for the vintage transport. They even have Horse trams running along the seafront between the steam and electric depots. The great thing was the original cars and locos some of which has been running for over 100 years.

One memory was we went on a mystery motor coach tour, booked in advance. When it came to depart, a sea fog had descended and I could just about see the roadside hedges but no further. The bus driver still gave the commentary on what we would have seen if it was clear. At least we stopped in a small village with a good pub.

NICK Although there was not a British Railway 2P4-4-0 saved, did you know that there is an almost identical one in the Cultra Museum in Northern Ireland near Belfast. Although this of course is of 5 foot 3 inch gauge. In was an NCC engine and is painted in Midland crimson.

TOM I hope you had better luck with the website. It woudn't let me into it one, but it now seems to be working okay.

Can I have a pint for the road? And some fis and chips to take away...lots of salt and vinegar.

Hope to see you soon! PETE

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gents. Tom Blue it is [sigh] I'll have to teach you the finer points of CDN beers when you arrive next may.Thanks for the piece on CNR hotels. I've never spent a night at any of them but I have lunched at the Fort Gary[:O] I never knew that french onion soup could cost $10 in the 1980's[sigh] oh well the decor and the service could not be beat. [swg] Ted Fire away with your email, I'm sure that you are just being har***o your efforts again. Few people except for Troy and yourself can pull off the scratch building of trolley's 'n' trams in "G" let alone other scales. nick Thanks for getting back to the roots of the fish and chip night. Put me down for the cod please. The club i mentioned was not the one I belonged too. Ours pailed by comparisin in size and in completenss and functionality. But you are right alot of the scenery in the shots I put up were worked on by myself and my good friend and partner in crime who's currently that clubs president. Pete Wow dangnabbitt you done and did it again. I haven't made it through the first two sites yet and he drops two more [swg][tup] keep them comming it's really good stuff. Troy I haven't found your email yet. If you sent it from your home it's likely in my junk folder, my comoputer does that until i add you to my safe list / address book. If I'm unable to retreave it i'll send you another email throught he forum an dlet you know. My main question for you if you got the forum email from me was which type of PCC you would like the shots of. Our museum is blessed in that we have both all electric and air electric models. In many different shapes and forms. Personally I like TTC 4000 our air electric. Being it was built in 1938 it still has all it's art deco lines [tup] I'd love to see and hear your tram tales as well.One can never have too much "juice" I was glad to hear that te NO transit faired fairly well, indeed good news from an otherwise awfull situation,I figured that everyone would have been happy to hear that. I'm going to sneak off for now. Oh Ted I'm awaitimg your first stretch in the pond of traction info with baited breath. I'm tooling up a couple of more tales for you and the gang as well. The Montreal and Southern Counties will be next . tale care all. Rob

[nickinwestwales]

RIGHT----a return to roots tonight I think,[4:-)]TOM-when ROB,our recently recruited chandler of the bar,first suggested Fish & Chip night. It was as a traditional " wrapped in newspaper & eaten on the way home from the cinema" type of event,since then it has evolved into a bizarre Rabelaisian feast which rather loses sight of it`s origins,therefore,tonight we are delighted to offer:- Cod,Haddock or Plaice in batter (large or small) also Skate Wing or Rock Salmon to order,sausages,saveloys,black puddings and chicken quarters battered or plain,a variety of pies & pasties,onion rings,apple or pineapple fritters,pickled Onions & eggs are in the jars by the pigs feet,chips in small,medium & large Salt,Vinegar Ketchup etc are on the side counter-----Enjoy [^]...........O.K,whilst you lot are making up your minds,on to post---[4:-)]TOM-E-Mail R&R-have checked back to earlier pix-definately a more streamlined you-lookin lean & mean ma man,works for you[tup]-Simon & Garfunkel strangely tempting,something about those pure high harmony notes-notes we can all hit,but pitched an octave above,where angels fear to tread-still sends a shiver up the back-and not much does these days.....back to trains,comments noted R.E. Athearn cars,suspect problem is more with my P/Way,as to wheelsets,these babies are running on inside bearing axles with disc brakes mounted outside the wheels-standard Bombardier design,I believe but no replacements available from stock-strangely,the matching Walthers F40-ph is also prone to measuring it`s length in the ballast whilst the VIA livery one runs faultlessly...[:-^]...go figure,as they say......PETE-get `em over here and we`ll show `em a time !![^]!!--the ancient Celtic tradition of the breakfast lock-in,the endless variety of single-malts,every kind of train from 160 year old n/g steam to Eurostars,Pendolinos & H/row Express--have the combined volume for `62 to hand-checking as we speak-Havn`t had time to check I.O.M site yet but have some Manx steam pix from books that may complement whats there. Thanks for kind words R.E.layout tour-never did get my hands on the two `signature` S+D locos-the 2p 4-4-0 and the `big girl`7f 2-8-0,although Dapol did bring out a rather nice version of the 2p I couldn`t justify the outlay...such is life........On a random note,whilst checking for Baldwin 4-6-0t data earlier I came across some other overlooked Baldwin exports---The Bavarian state railways purchased two 2-8-0`s in 1899 and two atlantics in 1901--apparently the engines caused a complete change in design philosophy for the entire national system.............ROB-Again,thanks for kind words-Is that club layout you mention the one featured on the earlier pages of your album-the T.H&B livery rings a bell,if so,take note of scenic work folks,yer man ROB here had a hand in it [tup]--R.E. Landlord of this fair tavern-looking at recent pix,he`s back to enlistment weight & got that "lets have a look at you then"twinkle in his eye-if he wants Labatts,who are we to argue-We can keep the good stuff for ourselves[^]--easiest in the long run--excellant news R.E NO streetcars,a little light in that piece of darkness-thanks for passing that one out [tup].............MANAGER TED..Chrissy ?--you didn`t,by chance,end up in the back room at Otto`s Monacles & Manacles did you ?-not all of those "ladies" are,strictly speaking,ladies-in fact,none of them are-I do hope you didn`t sign anything whilst under their sway-I await news with trepidation...TROY-a fellow Brit is always welcome-as to contributing,its pretty much a case of "whatever you got is good"-more a sort of attitude thing really-if you`re behind it,it works--"classic" is a marvelously flexible definition-As you are in Tenterdon,you may know some neighbours of mine that have just retired back to the village-Owen ( Ozzy) John and his wife Val-he ran the Lambeth Borough Council `week in the country` residential centre for inner-city kids just outside the town and Val worked as a primary school teacher--unlikely but you never know..............BK...-If you find yourself in Norway the Flam line is apparently one to go for-general note--in Norway ,it is possible to buy a return ticket from Hell to Paradis-both stations on N.S.R--right,busy day tomorrow (fence posts arrived) plus full weekend of gigs so moonlight mile for me,be happy folks,regards,nick[C=:-)]

[Anonymous]

pwolfe, thanks again for 2 terrific URL sites. I wish I had included the Isle of Man on my Irish intenerary now. All of towns and villages look absolutely hand manicured, the rolling stock, buses and taxis are meticulously cared for as well. A far cry from my views of the "Old Sod." This is not a condemnation, only an observation. What a wonderful, pristine business car that Canadian Car and Foundry specimen is. You know, I would like nothing more than being a "third wheel" on any plans for a sojourn to the U.K. for that "first class" rail pass adventure. As everything we touch is now going "out of sight" with fuel inflation, the prospects grow dimmer by each month. Thanks for the additional "poop" on prior subjects Tom. BTW, that Hotel in Mobile wouldn't have been the Malaga would it? Just a "shot in the dark." Now, I really must "call it a day." 'til tomorrow.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

And so it continues .... the Thursday night Fish 'n Chips and the bunch in the back room shooting pool. Large screen TV's ready for baseball and hockey. Should be a good night 'round here. [swg]

West Coast S Dave "Book 'em Dave-o" - sorry, just had to say that! [;)] Business first, then fun 'n frivolity. Takin' care of business is understood ... one has to do what one has to do in order to keep the bills paid.

Appreciate the round - Boris ring the bell! By the way, I think I missed acknowledging a round from you last night - my apologies! [tup]

Manager Ted You must have reverted back to your position as Interim Chief Chief [C=:-)], for I don't recall seeing those selections on the Nick's Picks Menu Board. Good ones and no doubt will be popular with the track gang. [swg]

Appreciate the URL and if memory is correct, I do believe they charge for archival stuff. Hope not ......

Regarding track plan development, I'll probably drop an inquiry on the appropriate Forum for some feedback. My S Capades layout idea for the 4-point hoist system came from such an effort. Also have received some other very helpful info on an assortment of other questions. All's not negative - just that there are so many people who frequent these forums with apparently very little in the form of a life. Then again, it would be easy to apply that label to me! <Good Grief!>

Tampa Bay Lightning! Oh [yeah], who could forget that NHL Stanley Cup in the bastion of Hockeydom known as Florida. Another <Good Grief!> I'm a fan from the days of the "original six." Still shudder at the thought of the first expansion to include St. Louis, Philadelphia, etc. It all worked out and here we are today with more teams than people willing to fill the seats. Ain't that the way [?]

While I don't recall staying at any of the premier railroad hotels, I do recall staying down in Mobile, AL at a hotel owned by the Waterman Steamship Co. My father was a "mate" for that company and shipped out with them before, during and after WWII. The descriptions you offered reminded me very much of our two week stay in Mobile right before he shipped out for the Inchon Invasion in 1950. Flew down on Capital Airlines and returned home to NYC by train in a roomette aboard the Southern Railway (don't recall the name of the train.)

By the by, Awk's perch is not missing - just had to have some "residue" removed from the gold plating! <ugh> [swg]
Okay - time for me to catch the Astros vs Braves along with the Blues vs Red Wings Part Deux!

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

G'evening everyone, Tom or Leon, I need to catch the "early bird" special: baked stuffed fillet of Flounder (w/blue crab), scalloped spuds and Broccoli spears in a rich cheddar cheese sauce, please.[^] Chrissy? Where on earth did that come from?[:I] Must've been from some previous encounter from my sordid past of "one-nighters" on the road.[:-^] Say Russell, please check me on this. Isn't this the URL? www.kcstar.com to find the archive (Sunday October 31, 1999, section U). Perhaps "Special Editions" under "Archives" will be helpful search words.

Hi troybetts, your gravitation to "Our" Place sounds very familiar. Yes, I believe most of us had "run the gauntlet" of wide-open-forums before Proprietor Tom opened his cyber saloon. I like to think the strongest features of this thread is all of the things it ISN'T.[tup] Those "things" being some user's endless negative rhetoric on inane points of trivia taken to "adnauseum."[banghead] There is no shortage of Guinness or lager glasses, so we will be here when you are.[tup]

"Xcuuuse moi" (Steve Martin, "Sat. Night Live"), do you NFL "back in the saddle again" Fans recall where the Stanely Cup now languishes? Let's not count our Red Wings and Maple Leafs lest a Lightning Bolt comes from out of the "Blue."[swg] Count 'em nine hotels owned by C.N. alone. I do recall those oppulent natural wood paneled dining rooms with the polished flat ware, decoratively folded, spotless table linens, hand burnished brass appointments, Drezden high stemmed crystal, etal. And, always the aroma of wonderful entrees melding together with rich coffee and just a tinge of fine furniture polish; it was unmistakably "first class."[^] As a wee Lad, it only meant dressing in a suit and tie and little more, until now.[:D]

Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing any Posts with definitive track plans involved. If anyone can elaborate on the reason, please share. I'm guessing the software must be very expensive? Oh Rob, i just copied another disc of my early layout efforts. There are but a few frames worthy of posting, still they are better than the previous disc. Before any more is said here, I'll e-mail you some details for consideration, okay? Okay, just catching up a bit more on past replies but need to "hang it up" for now. Boris, where is Awk's new perch? Oh, you are not your birdies keeper? By Gadfrey, Nick must be tutoring him "on the sly." Tom, that would explain away any irregularities in the "tub'" monies, wouldn't it?[:D] Happy rails all.

[West Coast S]

Aftternoon Tom and the gang...

Hope i'm not too late for lunch, non alcoholic whatever (Near Beer, yuck!), gotta keep sharp. I've been occupied all day interviewing, charging and booking some indivdules who refused to play nice in the sandbox, so to speak.

Thought I'd breeze in for a quick vist to acknowledge all the thought provoking conversation occuring at "Our Place". Awk deserves the best Tom....Hate to leave, but processing awaits with all the associated forms, statements, witness accounts,etc.

I shall return later as time permits .
Allow me to cover a round for the house in the meantime. Bong..bong..clang..I see the bell still has that flat spot, Boris?


Dave
[:D]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

I'm back and have the bar ... Leon will be a bit late this evenin' ......

Appears that our late afternoon gathering has lived up the place a bit ... [swg] Always can count on BudKarr for his [2c] opinion! Which of course is alright 'round here - we all have 'em. Just don't want to get it in the range of insulting or personal. That can be a fine line to walk when one considers we are in the Ether and truly are unaware of the reactions one may have to our words and connotations. Then you crank in social, religious, national and cultural differences and - that's how wars begin! [swg]

No, no, no - not accusing you of starting anyting BK! Appreciate your input and hope to see you back soon again. [tup]

When I was in Norway years ago - actually decades ago, riding trains was the furthest thing on my mind. Our ship pulled into Oslo for a 3 day/night stay. What a great time! A story for another time 'n place; maybe Toronto in May! [swg] I envy you for having the opportunity to travel to Scandanavia - great part of the world.

Also can "relate" a bit to your comments regarding Monteral's QE Hotel. We've stayed there too and enjoyed it. However, I've opted to stay across the street from Central Station, with a room with windows overlooking the tracks! Lots to look at ... [swg]

troybetts Troy You got it - one straight glass at the end of the bar with your name on the coaster! [tup] Amazing how this place of ours seems to be a gathering point for some serious and light hearted rail talk. Infectious is the word I'm thinking of ... and one doesn't need a "shot" to get on with life! [swg]

We'll be looking for your Posts on the Classics Trams or Trains - works 'round here.

pwolfe Pete Thanx for stopping in. The 2nd URL didn't work .... maybe it's temporarily down. I'll check it out later. I think you've developed a following 'round here! [swg] Good times, good info and good friends - can't beat that, eh [?] I think I forgot to thank you for the round you bought the house last night - THANX! [tup]

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good day barkeep - I think I'll try one of those straight glasses of Guinness and also one of your sandwiches - make it an Italian sub.

Quite an interesting week that you have had here since my last visit. Very much interaction which has no doubt helped cheer Tom the Proprietor beyond measure. That is good.

That series on the Baltimore & Ohio brings back many memories of fine routes and finer trains. Really appreciated that company and was sorry to see it merge and ultimately disappear from the railroad landscape.

I see you have one of those guys who frequents this place with considerable knowledge about riding trains. I am not so sure that his perspective is in focus. My vote is for floodlights, by the way. Makes much more sense and why argue with the advertisement?

There are no other threads out there with as much shared knowledge as what I have seen here. That includes forums on other web sites that I have frequented over the years. Good job by all concerned.

Looking at that CNR hotels advertisement with the "under construction" phase of the Queen Elizabeth hotel in Montreal surely is worth a smile. I have stayed at that hotel and it is a keeper. When in Montreal these days, there are so many more modern and perhaps up scale hotels, however, the QE is my choice. Used to have business there quite often - but no longer. Once the Englilsh language wars took off, so did my business interests. Moved out .....

I may be in Scandanavia for a trip - business. Have been up to Bergen, Norway by train and throughout Sweden as well on the X2000. Always like my time there - although the politics are difficult to take.

One more brew please - make it an Ansel.

BK

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and can you put me down for the Fish and Chips later please[^][tup].

ROB I'm glad you liked the web-sites [tup].I am trying to get in touch with my mate back in England as I am sure he will some more info on the Immingham cars. I wish I had one of my pre 1960 IAN ALLEN COMBINED VOLUMES over here as I am sure that would have the info.

ROB, TED and all I dont know if you gentlemen have heard of the ISLE OF MAN [?] A relativly small island between England and Ireland. The place is like a time warp for railfans, with a narrow gauge steam and 2 electric railways if you like here is a web site.

http://www.iomguide.com/electricrailway.php

Tom thanks for the Flags I think there is a Burlington Route steam loco preserved in a park in St Josepth M.O.

You will have to get me signed up with Inspector Doyle I have found a web site on the MENTIS Classic Car it is normally based in K.C. and is of Canadian origin.The site is

http:www.morail.com/cars_for_charter.htm

Glad to see TROYBETTS again. I believe Tenderton is the home of some American built U.S.A. class 0-6-0 Tank engines perhaps TROY could let us know if any are in working order [?].

Great post on the Canadian railroad war.[tup] Any more[?].

I hope to call in later PETE.

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #4

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Did you know that the Canadian National Railways also owned and operated hotels in major cities along their main lines [?] Check these out:

:

CANADIAN NATIONAL HOTELS, LTD.

City...…………....…Name..…..……………Rooms..…..Open

Ottawa, ON.………. Chateau Laurier……… 550……… All year
Winnipeg, MN.…… The Fort Garry.………. 265...….... All year
Edmonton, AB.…… The MacDonald……... 480……… All year
Saskatoon, SK...… The Bessborough……. 260……… All year
Vancouver, BC.…... Hotel Vancouver.……. 560...…… All year
Halifax, NS.….…… The Nova Scotian…… 150.……… All year
Charlottetown, PE.. The Charlottetown…... 110……… All year
St. John’s, NL.…… Newfoundland Hotel… 140……… All year
Montreal, QC.……. Queen Elizabeth……... ----……… Under construction

Note: Hotel Vancouver operated jointly by CNR and CPR.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Cheers Tom.
Classic trams I could probably do(I was reared with them).Also classic trains, but I would have to involve my father for the info.
If you could keep a straight glass on the corner of the counter for my Guinness I would love to return.
Regards,Troy

[siberianmo]

Ooooooops, I see a Post requiring acknowledgment ......

troybetts Troy Two days in a row - well, that could indicate the start of something good! [tup] Now that you've taken the time to research our pages a bit more thoroughly, and perhaps with an obective point of view, let me offer this:

We began on April12th for the purpose of discussing Classic Trains while having some fun doing it. But even before that, a couple of us were just at the point of exasperation with the manner in which "business" was being conducted on the more "open topic" threads found on several forums. One guy even went so far as to Post his opinion as a separate topic with the result being a barrage of defensiveness bordering on attacks upon the author. This was the impetus I needed to create this thread. It's working.

Of course you are most welcome to join us whenever time permits and to hoist a tankard or two with us as we over imbibe 'round here from time to ttime! [swg] Of course, we'd appreciate your offerings regarding Classic Trains too! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Perhaps "Our" Place has come of age, so to speak. For after continued pleas and rerferences to the purpose of this thread -that being the discussion of Classic Trains - we've arrived at a point where it is happenin' and happenin' regularly. [tup]

In reviewing the earlier pages, we must credit our friend at the bar, coalminer3 CM3 for being "on track" so often. His Posts have been along the lines of what some of us have tried to maintain from the "get go." So, here's to you CM3 - wherever you are this fine day! - Ring the bell, Boris, a round for the house and Cheers to CM3. [yeah]

Thanx to all for the Email responses. Our lines of communications are healthy and vibrant. [tup] Perhaps some good came from this past weekend's confusion.

Now to the responses:

Rob as a friend of mine used to say back in NYC -

QUOTE: You don't want that I should have tell ya again whut I said that you don't seem to remember very well!

Vito the Hit was a man of his "woid" and his "woid" jolted reality into the hearts 'n minds of most men he came to "know." So, once again I repeat: When we're in Toronto, it will be Blue as in LaBatts. It doesn't matter what YOU drink - to keep ME quiet about your verbal transgression, a couple of Blue's will do quite nicely! Get it [?] Okay, Vito rest easy - the guy's "alright." [:O]

The rail "wars" in Canada are stories worth hearing, and if available - viewing. In a time that no longer exists, the manner in which Canadian authorities handled those situations was much more "civil." However, aside from tipping our hats to a "kinder and gentler way," the shoot 'em ups and knock 'em downs always seem much more exciting. Sorry -just the innate "violent American" in me! [swg]

Ted A tip of the cap to ya, my friend for your continuing support and on-the-mark assessment of the impact and purpose of the Fallen Flag series. Thanx! [tup][tup][tup] Those submissions have triggered more positive and interaction amongst the guys than anything else experienced at the bar since our inception on April 12th, 2005.

You really have a wonderful way with words and I appreciate reading your refereences to "traction motors whinning" and "trainmen in sharp dark bvlue w/gold piping uniforms," brings vivid scenes to mind. Reading can be such a joy - but only when there are authors out there to make it so. [tup][tup]

By the by, do you have a URL or two from the KC Star to guide us along with the pix you mentiioned [?]

Okay - now a question [?] Who in the blazes is Chrissy [?][%-)][%-)] Where in the world did you find her, huh[?] OR have you perhaps confused the name with our gal, Cindy[?] [%-)][%-)] Now, once viewed, Cindy most assuredly will not be forgotten, in name or anything else! [wow][yeah][}:)][:-,]

Okay - time for me to head to the "office" and catch up on some admin stuff. [sigh] Cindy has the bar (oh I wish!)

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening.
My thanks to Tom and Rob.Rob,I have sent an E-mail.
I must say,after actually reading the entire thread,that this is nothing like the tedious coffeshop threads.It actually deals with information.Well done to you all.
I hope you don't mind if I pop in from time to time.
Thanks again,Troy

[Anonymous]

So much worthy input, I don't know where to begin. Chrissy, let me begin at the beginning: a 'round for the house and Crown 'n' soda with a lemon twist, if you please. Knowing full well I can't "touch all bases" with one Post; I'll "chip away" in a piecemeal fashion. Dave, fine treatise on the A.T.S.F. vs. D. & RGW "turf wars." Snata Fe's management was agressive indeed and had some "run ins" with Espee as well. Its also true that there was a "Wild East and North America" during those heady days of "do or die" expansion. YesTom, I have recovered from the euphoria of the B. & O. Fallen Flag and no sooner coming out of "withdrawal" than another favorite (C.B. & Q) "blows my mind."[^] Rob, pwolfe "did a number" on our taste buds for traction too, eh? Say, I wouldn't mind giving a P.C.C. in G guage a "go" myslef. It could keep my Cincinnati interurban in good company. Good news from New O., BTW. Now, with Dave's supplement on the Pacific Electric and maybe a taste of Sacramento Northern thrown in, plus your own abundent well spring of Radials and Trolleys; there nothing for it, except for to "pitch in." I'll "kick in" what I can on some mid-western Interurban (Raidial) action in the "hay day" of their operations. Indiana Rwy. and the North Shore Lines occur to me first but not on this post, not just yet but soon.[tup]

Who couldn't love those Milwaukee Road big electrics and smooth side passengers with the B-29 observations biding a fond farewell to crowded platforms of yore?[:D] Can you hear the traction motors whinning way up front? How about the bright silver fluted sides Royal Zephyr idleing while trainmen in sharp dark blue w/gold piping uniforms assist passengers into those "new fangled" articulated coaches? Then, a surprising triad blast from the air chime instead of the ususal moan of the steam whistle. Yes, at one time it was all real. There are pix of the K.C. Zephyr and U.P. City of Los Angeles 10,000 (gas dissilite (sp?) parked side-by-side at K.C. Union Station (circa 1940's) They appear as "David and Goliath," such was the disparity in their size and form. Russell, that photo can be found in the "Star" article I mentioned before. Indeed, I agree with Tom that Fallen Flags is doing exactly what it is intended to do: "flick a switch" and it works very well. Given the printed dates and labels, one could hardly expect this to be an "end all" reference for every train on every Road. From the response, I wouldn't change a thing.

Okay, that's enough for a single posting, lest I overstay my welcome. I've noticed a few members dozing off and I definitely "can take a hint."[zzz] SNOAR, gruffle, gruffle. Oh, its only Boris! Don't wake him please, allow me...CLANG, CLANG, CLANG heh, heh, heh. Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy (CB&Q) Burlington Route

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 11,000 (includes subsidiaries, Fort Worth & Denver and Colorado & Southern)

Locomotives in 1963:

Steam: 10 Diesel: 691

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 41,099 Passenger cars: 925

Principal lines in 1950:

Aurora, IL-Minneapolis, MN via Rochelle, IL
Chicago-Omaha-Denver via Lincoln, NE
Galesburg, IL-Kansas City & St. Joseph, MO via Quincy, IL
Savanna & Rock Island, IL-Paducah, KY
Burlington, IA-St. Louis via Quincy
Omaha-Kansas City via St. Joseph
Napier, MO (St. Joseph)-Oxford,NE
Table Rock, NE-Billings, MT via Lincoln
Billings-Galveston, TX via Thermopolis & Cheyenne, WY & Denver
Ashland, NE-Sioux City, IA
Galesburg-Peoria, IL
Kansas City-St. Louis (trackage rights on GM&) Kansas City-Mexico, MO)

Passenger trains of note:

Afternoon Zephyr (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr (Chicago-Lincoln)
American Royal Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City)
Black Hawk (Chicago-Twin Cities
California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, CA; jointly operated with D&RGW and WP)
Denver Zephyr (Chicago-Denver-Colorado Springs
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with GN and SP&S)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland; jointly operated with DR&GW and WP; replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Kansas City Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with NP and SP&S)
Morning Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City
Nebraska Zephyr (Chicago-Lincoln)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with NP and SP&S)
Pioneer Zephyr (West Quincy-Hannibal, MO)
Sam Houston Zephyr (Dallas-Houston)
Texas Zephyr (Denver-Dallas)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with GN and SP&S)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; jointly operated with RI


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom. Trying to talk to me real time's gonna kill you be carefull, I can always send smoke signals [swg] BTW I have sent Troy a message through the forum so if he doesn't get it i hope he checks back. Responded to your email(s) as well. sorry bout your blues my maple leafs lost the NHL's first shootout to Ottawa tonught as well. On the upside we got a point and Eric Lindros scored on the downside Sundin took a puck to the eye in the first period not an auspicious star to the year.[tdn] I'm only going to get busier from now on xmas is comming. BTW I don't dink blue so you will have to settle for Molsons or Black label in Toronto [tup] pwolfe Pete is there a shot of that NA tram in any either of those sites you posted. I did see several cars that for all the world look like PTC brills from Chicago? I still haven't done a deep search of either site yet but I do like what I have seen so far. I only wi***hat our mueseum had the space and money that the good folks at critch have. A truly awesome ste up. A couple of our board members were there last fall and they are still raving about it.Anyway I'm definatly off now later folks. Rob

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day All!

A quick observation: We have had a rather busy week as the guys have really been active with the Posts. One thing is that it’s difficult to keep up with them all, however, my intent is to acknowledge everyone who makes a contribution. That should be what we all try to do – recognize one another’s efforts. [tup]

Reminder: Tonight is Fish 'n Chips Nite and whatever else Nick [C=:-)] may wi***o add to his Nick's Picks Menu Board! [swg] [dinner] Dinner starts at 5 PM! [tup]

Okay – you know the routine – bakery goods, coffee and light breakfasts! [swg]

Info for the Day:

Comin’ Events:

Saturday, Oct 8th : OKTOBERFEST!
Sunday, Oct 9th Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Wednesday, Oct 12th: The 6th month Anniversary of the creation of ”Our” Place.

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags, etc.

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” 1800’s & early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Canadian Pacific Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)
125 – AT&SF
127 – B&O
127 – B&O Strata-Dome ad
127 – B&O Encor! ad
128 – CM&StP

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 05:01:31 (127)

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 07:14:14 (127) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 07:32:03 (128) reply to Trainnut484 – pwolfe – nickinwestwales

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 07:59:25 (128) Fallen Flag CM&StP

(5) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 08:00:58 (128)

(6) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 08:06:11 (128)

(7) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 09:12:46 (128)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 11:23:50 (128) reply to nickinwestwales & Theodorebear, etc.

(9) troybetts Troy Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 13:10:02 (128) First visit

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 13:25:48 (128) Welcome to troybetts

(11) troybetts Troy Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 13:39:28 (128)

(12) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 14:18:59 (128)

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 14:26:09 (128)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 15:17:07 (128) reply to troybetts – nickinwestwales – passengerfan

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 15:45:20 (128)

(16) pwolfe Pete Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 15:49:30 (128)

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 17:27:27 (128)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 17:32:51 (128) reply to nickinwestwales & pwolfe

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 19:18:31 (128) reply toWest Coast S

(20) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 19:53:31(128)

(21) West Coast S Dave Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 19:56:52 (128)

(22) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 20:15:58 (128)

(23) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 21:18:12 (129)

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 21:24:49 (129) reply to nickinwestwales – West Coast S – Trainnut484

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 21:35:05 (129) Something strange!

(26) pwolfe Pete Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 22:59:21 (129)

(27) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 23:18:38 (129)

(28) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 23:22:16 (129) reply to pwolfe

(29) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 23:33:52 (129)

(30) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 23:39:38 (129) reply to trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Awwwwwwwright, all's well with the world - trolleyboy Rob is back! [yeah][wow]

Whaddyamean, YOUR Anniversary - does Heather know this [?] Hmmmmm - let's see, it'll cost ya a couple of Blue's in Toronto to keep me quiet! [swg]

Thought that inquiry by troybetts Troy would flick your switch. Another benefit of these forums, the healthy exchange of info. [tup]

[yeah] These past couple of days have been the best - actually began on Monday afternoon. Unbelievable exchanges and Posts. Too much to expect it to last - but just goes to show how much enthusiasm many of our guys have for this topic of Classic Trains.

Looked like we were in for some difficulty a couple of hours ago when page 128 dropped all but the first two Posts. Stayed that way for an hour that I know of. Kept using "refresh," but nothing changed. Logged off and on - still no change. Used my other computer (this is a laptop) - no change. Then - just like "that" all returned to normal. Ya gotta love it!

Alas - the NHL season began tonight and my Blues got whipped 5-1 by the dreaded Red Wings. Only 81 more games to go! [swg] <groan>

I gotta get ready to pack it in for the nigth and just wanted to see if we could be on line at the same time. Your work schedule is unreal - but that's why they pay you the BIG bucks, eh [?] [swg]

Catch ya in the 'morrow ........ [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Okay i came back had so much catch up reading to do I thought that I was back in highschool. [:O][XX(] There were some train wars in canada too Pete they just weren't shooting at each other. During the Reil rebellion in 1885 the mostly completed ( in ontario ) CPR was used to ferry the CDN Militia and Northwest mounted police to what's now Manitoba. The soldiers had to portage through parts of the candain shield as the CPR track gangs were still blasting tunnels and bridging muskeg. The whole Northwest rebellion story is a good read. russell i enjoyed your post on the appropriate rules for the company stores. I'm not at all supprised ny the sunday oppening rules. frankly i'm supprised they even allowed emergency oppenings back then. The roads up here did some similar things. ther wasn't sunday streetcars operating in Toronto untill the TTC was formed in 1921. Port arthur and Fort William Ontario ( now Thunderbay ) didn't allow their street railways to operate on sundays till the mid thirties. Regina in Sask was the same as well. well gents i'm done for sure this time. rob

[siberianmo]

Hello Pete

I've been watching trolleyboy Rob logged on and off this thread for about the last hour .... wonderin' when he's gonna Post! Now, if that isn't a waste of time, what is [?] [swg] Actually, I'm watching the Yankees and Angels playoff game - tied at 2 in the 7th inning.

So the railroad wars were not restricted to North America, eh [?] Well, that shouldn't surprise anyone! Intimidation and coercive force is as old as mankind itself .....

There was a time we had really thought about a trip to "Merry Old," however I doubt that will occur anytime soon. We talked about this on our Amtrak trip ..... It surely would be nice, especially with the 1st Class rail passes - the ONLY way to go! [tup][tup]

Smart move letting Boris feed Awk - you are quick to pick up on his bad habits! [swg]

Thanx for stopping by - and by the by, I replied to your Email. [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom I see your name is still here.I'll take a late night Irish coffee while I catch up. I'll owe you a round again for missing yesterday wirking 7 strait took it's toll I fell a sleep at 8:30 last night and didn't resurface till this morning at least it's / was my day off. Today was my aniversary a s well so iyt's been a busy last couple.[tup][swg] I've thouroughly enjoyed the B&O exchange beteween everyone's switch seems to have been flicked by that one espeacally manager ted I think he is still on cloud nine.For me theirs was likely the best calssiest firsy generaation diesel paint scheme. That royal blue and grey just was the cats **** on the FT's FA's and F3's and 7's. Pwolfe and Ted Pete those urls are wonderfull i haven't been able to completely go through them yet but Ted's right wow what a treasure trove thank-you~! Nick Good info on your pike quite the ambitious breadth and scope you are undertaking. I don't have theeir web site info. But the H.O.M.E.S ( ho model engineers society ) This is a Hmailton Ontario based club they modelled TH&B CN/CP and their own home road The Bay City Lines in an enclusive mid ontario set up. they cover Port Colbourne to North Bay with all station stops in between! try to google search for them their layout is to die for ( so's the monthly dues [XX(] ) Troy thanks for poping by. As I mentioned earlier I haven't read the email yet i will likley tonight or tomorrow. A gscale PCC should be a thing of beauty. I have some shots on my railimages site from our museum, these will mostly be broadside shots. I can easily go up and do a walk round photo shoot for you so I'll get some speacifics from you soon. Ted and the gang I had recieved a bit of NO info for you. OPur museums head mechanic finally got hold of the maintenance supervisor in NO. Apparently the Charles street line stayed above water and had little other then wind damage. This is the line all the classic vintage aka real streetcars ran on. Minor repairs and their back up and running. the river and canal lines were underwater along with the new techno clones. as *** figured these cars are a mess all the electronics are shot and they will need full rehabilitation as well as the lines and barns on those two lines. But they say that they will be back up and running so that's good news[tup] well folks I've a million emails to catch up on so i'm off for now. Oh tom Like your latest FF as well. The Miluakee road is another semi fav of mine. heavy duty mainline electrics can't get better than that. Not to mention the swanky tail end cars they sold to CN !!! That's it for me tonight folks catch you all tomorrow. Rob