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[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams bitter and a Bathams XXX. With perhaps A SMALL glass of NICKS rum later. I think the gold bell ringer is most appropiate for the Anniversary .WELL DONE TOM.[tup][bow].

The wirless mouse stopped working yesterday so I missed a good day at the bar but with new batteries I have caught up now.GREAT POSTS ALL.

Well having read TOM CM3 GUNNS ROB and TED's excellent railroad tales there is no chance of me winning the Silver Throttle Award maybe we could have a Rusty Shovel one[:)].[?].

It is strange when TEd suggested this theme I thought of this trip, then out of the blue NICK mentioned Tenby and this morning the conditions. with the light fog, were the same in Mid-Missouri as they were in West Wales so many years ago.

It was Mid September an the start of the 70's a bunch of us had been to Tenby by car and stayed in a friends caravan earlier that year. Having worked a week of the shut-down my friend and I had a weeks vacation owing to us.

WE decided to go down overnight and armed with a few cans outside and a few beers inside we duly left Rugby Station when most people were heading home. OUR first change was at Birmingham New Street a semi underground station with 12 platforms and no soul. Luckily it wasnt too long before a steam heat Peak a2500 hp diesel- electric loco arrived to take us to Gloucester. On the train we managed to stay awake to make the connection from the now defunct Eastgate via a short walk toGloucesters surviving station Westgate.

Now feeling the chill of the September night the sight of the Swansea train, hauled by a ' Western class a 2700hp diesel-hydralic wreathed in steam from the train heating boiler was a most welcome sight. On the overnight trains at that time the passenger cars were mostly of the Compartment type with a corridor running down one side of the car and 8 compartments each seating 6 with retractable arm rests. To find an empty one was heaven. You could dim the lights and with the steam heat it wasnt hard to drift into a pleasent sleep.

After passing the Dantes Inferno that was Port Talbot Steelworks we arrived in Swansea where someone directed us to a cafe which opened early and fortified with a mug of tea and a egg and bacon buttie it was back to the station for the Carmathan train. This was worked by a Swindon built Cross-Country D.M.U.(DRC).to my mind the finest first-generation DMU there was. Getting a seat behind the driver it was a perfect view ahead not too long after leaving Swansea a morning fog appeared with an almost magical scene as the train passed a shrouded woodland.

After a change of train at Carmathan heading west we turned on to the single-track Tenby branch. Our stop was a request halt at Penally about 2 miles past Tenby.We informed the Conductor who said "I'll let the driver know" and dropped the vacuum. I think they wern't getting on too well. As we left the train we could hear the engine revving as the driver restored the pressure.Futher along the branch the Conductor had to manually operate set of Level-crossing gates so if it was raining the driver could get his revenge.

After a wonderful vacation the trip back was not anthing too special apart from seeing the pioneer Western D1000 "WESTERN ENTERPRISE" on Landore shed and Buying Ian Allans Locomotives Combined Volume after two years of going off railways after the end of steam .Although the climb of the Lickey Bank with a locomotive was always interesting.

GONE now is nearly all of the overnights.
GONE now is the newspaper and other traffic which made the overnights viable.
GONE are BR compartments
GONE is steam heat
GONE is the 120 dmu.
BUT I still have the memory and the Combined . PETE.

[Anonymous]

Helo everyone and welcome to the "Our Place 6 month observance. We are off to a slow start but I'm on the East Coast and one to three hours later than most of you. I do hope there will be more arrivals as the day wears on. We already have a few entries, all of which will be interesting to our members. So, let's all do "our thing" and not wait for just a few to "go it alone." Model Rairoad News has some S gauge new listings. One , of which, is a 2900 Class Santa Fe(4-8-4 Northern) and another a EMD NW-2 American Models and S-Helper Service Inc respectively. Prices on the Northern begin at $369.95 to $449.95 and the EMD begins at $199.95 to $289.95 I'll have more on this Issue later on. For now, I'll leave the place in Cindy's capable hads and bid you a good afternoon.

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon everyone. Boris please wrinng up a round of CR for everyone ,and for Awk who graciously allowed us to borrow his perch for the day[swg] Tom.Ted,CM3 and Kevin how is one to follow such moving and oozing with railway(road)' iana ?I've had a small measure of passenger train riding. Mostly the local variety Go transit commuters from Oakville to Toronto union for a baseball or hockey game or to the CNE. My via travells have been limited to the shot hop type trips Brantford to Toronto usually for a day out with my bride shopping and museums along the TTC subway lines. All of these coach only's lack the punch of full meal service with a smile type runs. I have experianced two long run trains 8 hour trips on the Algoma central to the agawa canyon and back. The first when I was twelve was the most rewarding in that the train was pulled by a matched set of GP7 high hoods decked out in the ACR's wonderfull marroon gey and yellow paint job. Food was excellant with linch and breakfast served in one of the two dinning cars on the train. An 8 hour cruise through some spectacular scenery, the canyon was a blaze with fall colours, crimsons and orangesand yellows of more breathtaking scope that one could ever imagine. A return 15 years later with my wife was not as spectacular in that CN zebras pulled the train but the staff was still warm and the colours were still vibrant. In the newest incarnation the ACR canyon run is punctuated by a pair of dome cars brought in by the Wisconcin Cental. The extra fare was well worth it. One half of the trip you were seated up top the second have bellow. My next forray to ACR territory, I think will be for the tour of the line an over nighter from the Sault to Hearst. Rail travels aside, myself being a rail enthusiast in general, I never thought that anything but riding in the trains could be more rewarding. In august of 2003 I proved myself wrong. On that fatefull day in august was my first time sitting in the operators seat, of small witt 2894. The first moment when my right hand realeased the brake lever and my left hand apllied preassure to the deadman and notched the witt into motion, I was hooked. The first aknowloging of the conductors sinal to start off with two solid rings of the signal bell I was hooked. The first time a grandfather with his grandkids at the museum took time out to thank me for the trip back into his first trip on a streetcar with his grandfather ensured the hook was set. Somehow that clarity of moment will stay with me, perhaps it will come into focus again when I take my grandkids on their first streetcar trip. Rob

[Anonymous]

Well, I think I'll go with coffee today as the old tum tum isn't up for anything heavier, please Tom. This was the second "leg" of a Baltimore to Tulsa X-mas trip. The B & O Shenandoah was late getting into Grand Central in Chicago. The weather was abominably cold and I needed to get to Dearborn St. station a.s.a.p. My original itenerary was not shot to hell bercause of the late arrival. Also, the V W micro shuttle buses were were swamped with people cursing and swearing trying to make connections. It reminded me of the "Out of Towners" movie. As cold and windy as it was, I elected to "hoof" it to Dearborn...hate waiting, hate crowds. Pedestrian ropes had been put up along the side walks and it wasn't long before I found out why. When I rounded a corner exposing myslef to the north south winds, I began gliding free style much like para sailing. My Duffle Bag and trombone case acted much like a spinnakar on a yacht at sea. It only took seconds before I hit a "dry spot" and down I went duffel bag and all. I looked up only to see a shuttle bus treking passed. There were no taxis cruising, so there was nothing for it but to carry on. In two more falls I was inside Dearborn Station waiting in line to check for trains to K.C. MO and thence to Tulsa. Just behind me was a salesman for La Choy Chinese foods who had a extra ticket on the Super Chief. I redeemed my ticket value and paid the difference between coach and "extra fares" ticket on the Chief. The train departed in less than a hour and I was grateful to share a bedroom just to be on my way.

It was no time before the "glamour gal" Super Chief was easing out of the yards and steady gaining speed. "Dinner on the Diner, nothing could be finer," rang true. I was on a limited budget so ordered a open face hot Turkey sandwich with all the trimmings, thence a hasty hike to the Club Car. Geeze was it nice to feel like a human being again. I was so tired from the previous days ordeal on the B & O that after 2 miniatures of J & B Scotch, it was "sack time." I naturally took the upper bed and instantly fell into La La Land. The next thing I heard was the Conductor barking "Kansas City, all off for Kansas City." I had a 2 hour layover for The Tulsan so I called an old college chum who was working at Hallmark cards at the time. His name is Russell Myeres of the old comic strip fame "Broom Hilda." We had a good chat "under the Clock" until train time.

My parents met me on the platform in Tulsa and 2 weeks went by like a "shot." The return trip was uneventful, except for meeting some great folks in the Capitol Limited Lounge Car. I guess, in all, I'll never forget how for just a few bucks more "first class" is a far greater value than the discomfort and annoyances in coach class. Once and only "once," I travelled by bus and can assure you that it will never happen again. Our Army Band busses were relatively comfortable compared to the Trailways Eagles. And, I don't have to tell you that bus terminals have earned their reputation as havens for the wierdest society has to offer, not to mention atrocious food.

That's a rap for me on this, the 6 month observance of "Our" PLace. Glad you joined in and CM3, you never dissapoint with that easy style and yet exceptional insight for things that most of us fail to see.[tup] I sense a "second cluster" award for your "Silver Throttle Trophy" in the air. Tom, I'll have a J & B on this ocassion for "old times sake," thanks. Boris, I can't leave without making a toast to all of our members of "The Order of the Stools." Hit it! BRINK I see, you are using a rubber hammer until we can find the original, right?:[(!] Happy rails to all and happy anniversary.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Coffee please, round for the house ,and quarters for the jukebox.

I am finally caught up with summaries and have learned a lot of Canadian history in the process. Re West Coast's "honey do list." Thus far mine has included new back door and new roof. Last project is chimney work b4 the winter sets in. All should be done by next week (I hope). Our dogs really like the contractors as they "do lunch" together. Tom, it's interesting how pictures will evoke memories, etc.

O.K. Since the price of admission for the 6th Month's Anniversary is a personal story, here's one for you. It's another Boston and Maine piece whcih is in a similar vein to the one I posted awhile back. This time, we get a cab ride out of the deal.

Schenectady’s Last Stand

The branch is different in the fall and the winter as frost and early snow have combined to smash down the summer’s vegetation and leave it yellowed and withered. The crickets are gone and silence and cold have replaced the noise of birds and the warmth of the summer wind. It’s a cold and gray day a little before Thanksgiving, the air damp and smelling of rain and maybe sleet, and I’m out walking the branch again.

I hear the sound of a diesel horn blowing for the crossing. This horn is deeper and more melodious. An Alco for sure, but the question is what kind? Well, we’ll find out pretty soon. I can see maroon and gold paint; a little closer and it turns out to be a battered RS3.

The Boston and Maine over the years had bought several kinds of Alco switchers; among them a number of RS3s. They had arrived painted in maroon and gold with the Concord Minuteman herald. Some of them were repainted blue and white, but a few had managed to keep their original colors. As an engineer told me once, “You can’t kill ‘em. They’ll run until they fall apart.”

Whatever their paint or condition, clearly their time is short. It won’t be long until they’re white lined and busted up for parts, their skeletons sitting in the deadline behind the Billerica shops. But right now, the RS3 is still running; pulling a handful of freight cars trailed by a blue and white B&M buggy; handling a branch line local freight like it has thousands of times.

They had set out and picked up some orange PFE refrigerator cars down the road and now here they are, getting ready to set out a car at the lumber yard. The weather is turning colder now, fog comes up off the meadow, and I hunker down into my field coat – trying to keep warm.

The engineer cracks the cab window and yells down, “What the hell are you doing down there? Come up and ride with us where it’s warm.” Up the steps I go, hanging onto the rails. Then down the short hood, open the door, and step into the engine cab. The interior is painted a light green. It’s dirty and reeks of diesel smoke and oil, but he’s right, it is warmer and out of the wind. “We’re gonna leave the train here, and go up the road first to get some cars and then come back and drop this car,” the engineer says. I fish in my pocket and hand him a cigar – coin of the realm, and the price for my ride. I’ll pass out more to the rest of the crew when I see them. The brakeman joins us having cut off the engine from the rest of the train. He gets a cigar too.

The engineer kicks off the air and opens the throttle. Nothing happens for a bit and then we start to move. The engine shudders and then digs in making the characteristic Alco “chompa-chompa-chompa” sound. Smoke drifts back over us, and I can hear the sound of the traction motors and feel them vibrating through my feet. We don’t go too fast which is just as well given the questionable track conditions on the branch.

Sleet slats against the cab windows and the sky is getting grayer. It gets dark quickly in New England on a November afternoon.

There’s the cars we’ll get - two CN boxcars. The brakeman unloads, walks up ahead, leaning into the wind, unlocks and opens the switch. He flips a hand signal and catches the footboard of the RS as it moves ahead. We couple onto the cars with a “c-lunk” followed by a short back-and forth motion.

Now it’s time to pull the cars out of the siding, stop and wait for the brakeman to reline the switch. We move ahead again and pick up the brakeman. This crew has been together for a long time and they don’t say much to each other, but the engineer’s not going to let the brakeman ride in the sleet and fog.

Back we go down the branch. There’s the rest of our train and we couple onto the car to be set out at the lumberyard. This one’s a Milwaukee Road boxcar with horizontally ribbed sides – they always did things differently on the Milwaukee. The slogan on its side says, “Route of the Olympian Hiawatha.”

It’s quick work to couple on, pull ahead, get the switch and make the set out. The crew wants me to ride back to Boston with them, but I can’t this day, so I thank them, unload and watch the Alco head back toward the siding down the road where it will put its train back together again. I don’t know it, but it’s the last time I’ll ride an RS3 on the B&M.

work safe

[siberianmo]

For Ted

SILVER THROTTLE AWARD

Introduced by Theodorebear – Ted, Manager of ”Our” Place for outstanding achievement in quality of Posts on our thread. Ted requests that we not refer to it as the Teddy Bear Award! [swg]

Criteria [?] Sustained excellence, relevance and personal warmth reflected in Posts regarding Classic Trains at ”Our Place.

First – West Coast S – Dave – 27 Aug 2005

Second – coalminer3 – CM3 – 06 Sep 2005

Third – siberianmo – Tom – 06 Sep 2005

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Gents!

My contribution to our 6th Month Anniversary Celebration of ”Our” Place’s founding - an adult cyber bar ‘n grill!

The train they called The Canadian


There is a rather large, beautifully frame, lithograph print on our living room wall, of the Canadian Pacific Railway’s passenger train “The Canadian” at Morant’s Curve in Alberta, Canada. It is a winter scene and one that carries with it the images of what railroad travel must have been like when rail artist, Max Jacquiard, first painted it from his vantage point overlooking this rather famous “train watchers” overlook.

(his work may be viewed at: http://www.islandnet.com/~pacific/steam1.html)

The print in our living room:


This then, is my story of a personal reflection of a trip that takes place each and every time I view that picture – a birthday gift from my friend, traveling companion and wife shortly after first viewing it in a shop in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Gather ‘round train lovers ‘n give a listen to a “snippet” of information from long ago when the mighty and proud Canadian Pacific traveled the main line on the banks of the Bow River at a place known as *Morant’s Curve in Alberta, Canada.

Best viewed on a winter’s day, with the snow and ice capped peaks against the brilliance of a blue sky, the scene of the streamliner winding its way along the Banff-Lake Louise segment of the Canadian Pacific Railway was (and is) perhaps one of the most photographed of all the “rail watchers” sites. Following the steel ribbon of rail, the FP7A #1425 and F7B #4459 maroon & grey diesels with their gleaming Budd stainless steel beauties follow in perfect procession: baggage – coach – coach – coach – Skyline dome – diner – bedroom – bedroom – bedroom – Park observation dome.

Did you catch those Beaver heralds of the CPR [?] This train called The Canadian is making its way up to the Spiral Tunnels, thence over the Canadian Rockies into Golden, where there’s a Depot awaiting. Did you know the Kicking Horse Pass is 5,340 ft. [?]

Inaugurated on April 24, 1955, The Canadian heralded in a new age in passenger railroading for the CPR with what was to become the last of the North American “built from scratch” streamliners. The train offered a “dome” experience covering a distance of nearly 2,900 miles across the land called Canada.

It’s a winter’s day and inside the train, the conversation flows as freely as the beverages back in the Banff Park car. Named after the National and Provincial parks of Canada, these observation dome cars of the Budd Company are so well appointed that one only wishes the journey could last longer, if for no other reason than to fully take in and appreciate the full fledged ambiance of Budd’s creation on steel wheels. An apéritif in the bar-lounge, or perhaps just sitting in the lower level of the rounded rearmost lounge. Then of course there are the 24 seats awaiting the wide eyed traveler up in the dome. Ah, what a splendid experience while traversing the area known as Morant’s Curve! For those fortunate enough, the car also contains three double-bedrooms and a drawing room suite (triple). Ah, to be “booked” in the Park car is considered a “coup” in timing. For this trip, we’ve got the drawing room suite!

First serving for the evening meal in the dining car, forward of the sleepers, will be announced by the attendant. Three seatings and always a fine selection from the menu’s sumptuous offerings. Perhaps some Salmon tonight – or Prime rib. Amazing how much of an appetite one can acquire while sitting aboard a train! And those menu selections change each night of the 3 day-night journey from Toronto or Montreal.

After dinner it will be a drink or two in the rearmost lounge, then back to the dome for some nighttime viewing in the mountains. Of course the car attendant is “savy’ enough to ensure that the dome lights are out, with just the soft glow of the emergency lighting providing that ambiance and comfort only dome travelers can recognize. Amazing what one can see on a crisp, clear winter’s night!

Now, then – the morning will bring ……………


* Nicholas Morant (1910-1999) Special photographer for the CPR./i] He began working for the railroad in 1929 at $9 per week in their “PR” department. His photo’s appeared in the leading magazines of the day, including: The Saturday Evening Post, National Geographic, Life, Look and Time. During the war years, his photos were on the backs of $10, $50 and $100 bills in Canada and on postage stamps. In June 1981, he retired.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Today!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A toast to the continued health and success of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment! [tup][tup][tup]

Who wudda thunk it, eh [?] Still here and rollin' allong thanx to those of you who make it happen. Our "core" of regulars along with the rest of the gang deserve this toast! Cheers! Boris ring the bell! Bwooooooooong Gwoooooooooong! Wha - what was That [?} Bwooooooooong, Gwooooooooong! WHO put that gold plated clapper back in the bell!![?][?] Wait a minute - looks like an "inside job." Awk's perch is missing, and Rob has been "at it" again! This shall be NOT be forgottgen! [swg]

I see Gunns Kevin was just a bit early with his Personal story - however, we'll give him "credit" for being our first to Post the 6th Month Anniversary Personal Post!

Rob] I'm sure the guys will all appreciate the INCLUSIVENESS of your late night Post, I know I do along with the great Classic Juice #4 contribution. Keep 'em comin' - but how about some during daylight [?]

Catch y'all later - busy day ahead for me - as I'lll be a travelin' man for most of the day. Cindy will tend to your every wish, want, and whim! [yeah][wow]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Today!

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning All!

How about a mid-week <light> breakfast, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a cuppa of our freshly ground and brewed coffee [?] Nice way to begin the day, so c’mon – whatillyahave [?] [swg]

Cindy will be taking the bar from about 9 AM ‘til my return in mid to late afternoon. Be kind, Gents! [swg]

Info for the Day:

(1) HAPPY 6th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place to all!

The idea today is to post a PERSONAL story of a rail experience you have had (passenger or freight will do just fine) – it just has to be PERSONAL!

(2) An Email was sent to all who have expressed interest in our Rendezvous in Toronto, May 2006. Responses requested.

INDEX

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106 SP ..………. 106 MoPac ……. 108 WP ………… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SCL
116 D&RGW ….. 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120 PRR
122 NYC ………. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF …….. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q .……. 130 Soo Line ....... 133 C&NW
134 SP&S

Passenger Train Nostalgia

112 ………. CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
121 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Encor!
129 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway

Classic Juice by trolleyboy ROB

116 Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131 Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 00:15:42 (133)

(2) Gunns Kevin Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 04:05:31 (134) He’s baaaaaaack!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 06:11:30 (134) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 08:15:38 (134) Fallen Flag SP&S

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 08:15:59 (134) Inclusive Post!

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 08:26:55 (134) He’s baaaaaaack!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 09:58:01 (134) reply to trolleyboy – Gunns – Theodorebear – coalminer3

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 12:58:33 (134) Nostalgia #7

(10) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 14:29:58 (134) Inclusive Post! Future of light rail in LA

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 14:48:45 (134) info on SP&S

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 19:13:44 (134) reply to West Coast S & passengerfan

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 20:22:45 (134)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 20:51:44 (134) reply to West Coast S

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 22:56:50 (134) Inclusive Post!

(16) Gunns Kevin Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 23:24:20 (134) Personal story

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 23:58:19 (134) Classic Juice #4

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!


6th Month Anniversary Today!

[trolleyboy]

Hello again. Here is the first installment of the lesser known radial lines. classic juice #4

The Brantford and Hamilton B&H


The B&H ws one of the smallar interurban's or radial lines built in Ontario. As the name would suggest they conected the city of Hamilton to the City of Brantford approx a 30 mile run.It was first proposed in 1896 as the Hamilton Chedoke& ancaster Railway. The federal govt guarranteed a $15,000 subsidy once the railway made it to Ancaster.


Anyone familiar with this part of Southern Ontario will know that this line would fight up grade and cross the top of the Niagara escarpment. despite the promissed fed funds no work was started. In 1900 the line came under the control of the Haines bros of New york who were putting together radial lines conecting Niagara- Hamilton-Brantford.They changed the name to the Hamilton Ancaster and Brantford and by early 1904 they had aquired most of the ROW.They ran into problems with money on their american lines in NY state and lost their interest in the Hamilton line and the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto which they owned at the time.( This is why the NS&T never reached toronto by rail )They sold their interest to the Von Echa company in 1904 and by 1906 they started to build the line now known as the Hamilton and Brantford.


Grading began in july of '06and the line was built to high standards ala the L&PS.A short piece of street track from the Hamilton terminal station followed a ledge cut into the face of the escarpment, and ran on a long continuous 21/2% grade up to Ancaster 600kw substations were built for traction power at Ancaster langford,and Murray street in Brantford. Each building had two 300kw gens with room to add one more for future expansion. Power was brought in from the Decew falls hydro plant.The line was opened to ancaster ion Dec 21 1907,and to Brantford in may of 1908. The initial runs to Brantford ended until a crossing of the Grand trunk line in the city was constructed. Other than two short street lines into Brantfords market street Union station and the short stretch in Hamilton outside of terminal station the B&H ran on entirly private ROW.


Total cost of the line was estimated at $800,000.Between 1911 and 16 they looked at expanding to Galt and Preston but this line extension was never built. Instead interline tickets were sold for conections with the Lake Erie and Northern Radial and the Grand River Railway. They also sold tickets in conjunction with the Hamilton steamboat company so passengers could connect to Toronto. The interchaange with the LE&N ws interesting in that the LE&N ran on 1500v. Therfore the market street stations power could be switched over from 600 to 1500 to accomadate both lines cars. This resulted in a 35 min layover for B&H cars which had to lower their poles while the LE&N was using the station.Light frieght and express mail was also carried but the B&H after the war fare increases were required to make up for revenue losses. In 1925 the B&H ws almalgamate dinto the Hamilton Radial railway so cars would run through from Burlington and Stoney creek.

This also brought busses into the picture. In 1930 Dominion power the overall owner sold their bus and rail lines so abandonement occured in 1932. To show the lines viability ( most people beleved the B&H could have run anothetr 15 or 20 years } Their first year 1908 they moved 247,200 passengers there was an upward trend until the peak in 1920 of 836,100 fares. after which the numbers dropped in half on average.In 1929 thought with the bus lines fares went back up to just over 800,000.,but in 1930 that dropped to 228,300.


The line ran with a dozen cars built by kulhman ( brill ) these were wooden monitor roofed railway style cars dt de The designed speed was 50mph Non-stop test runs covered the thirty mile line in 37 minutes! not bad for 1908! 6 express motors built by ottawa 3 cars and preston 3 cars these rounded out the fleet. In the last 4 years of operation most of the Dominion powers cars could be seen on the B&H.

Of a non important note my house is about 500 yards from the old Grand river barge canal in Brantford. The canal bank carried the private ROW of the B&H!

[Gunns]

Evening all,
Coffee and a danish,
Personal rail story, when I was 9 I recived a ride on the SP for my birthday, we went from Phoenix to Goodyear, with the whole Birthday party and toured the Warplane boneyard. the cars were smoothsiders not stainless, and the conductor was very kind to all us shorties.... As I rember it we rode in the club car, as we were only going a stop or two. Return was by auto.
As for light rail/ comuter rail, the Rail Runner cars have arrived here and our new Locos will arrive soon. The biggest hold up is that the contractor has yet to compleat the station platforms. We should soon see transport through the valley and the lin will eventually extend to Santa Fe.

Lastly we had our first snow last night, it was on top of the "Sandias" at about 9000 feet, but the white stuff is on the way.
Gunns

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom. Your email "thots" were recieved and responded to [tup] I'm gald I took you up on the juice mini summery. The S&PS was anither good choice. Confirmed alcophiles like myself really loced the centuries and old smokers on the S&PS and a double flick for me with their background in the electric interurban field. Your second tidbit was also interesting and an electric line to boot as well. Makes my heart to the flutter flutter. No Boris no electrodes arrrrgh[:O] [XX(] Tom and Dave I concur with the glacially slow progress towards re-envigorating light rail or rail in general. Too many brain dead lobbists like the one you delt with Tom. I still say we need to start are own trails to rails group [tup] Tom I figured that november woiuld be a wash for you unfortunatly[sigh] at least you and Carol have some time off together. I will most likely take you up on your offered hospitality at some point. it's truly appreciated. I just need to convince some one that flying and travelling south of the boarderare a good thing. Heather tends to be a homebody. You are sooo right about CP rail. They still are a classy org. [tup] Here's hoping that they stay free and clear of takeovers which would dimini***heir spot in tthe dwindling constellation of big railroads. i've heard too many rumours of CP/UP mergers. That would not be good for our national pride, or the railroading world. Alot of the classic posters are preserved in their historic archeives in Calgary. I have seen them run some mini versions of them as souvineer type items sold through their CP store.have any wall space left in your train room ? Dave at least you have two proposals for light rail as oposed to one that is for and the other definatly against. This at least bodes well in that at some point the money will be well spent. Up here what would likely happen is a royal commision followed by a judicial enquiry as to which is the best bang for the buck. Likely they would decide that to keep everyone happy we'll build both but just not now one needs more studies etc etc [sigh] And to think that at one point in the late twenties early thirties there was 30 or 40 proposed or active interurban lines criss crossing Ontario. It even looked like a resergance was going to happen in the 40's but unfortunatly we all know how it turned out. Same thing in the US as well, I've said it before and will keep saying it, we need to become more European in at least the need and desire for public transit. There are many other toys that we can spend till our hearts content on.[2c] Ted Message recieved and one's been sent back "atcha" I'm looking forward to the tails from the rails tomorrow. I'm still [de]composing mine. My rail travels aren't as extencsive as some here but the stories that Pete and *** and Al , CM# Tom and you put out let me live pricariously in the past when things were right, and most trade and transit glided along on steal wheels and rails. Boris I've strayed a bit [#oftopic] so line up the shots for the few and sundry bwooong gwooong [ HE He ] I slipped the new clapper back in the bell for the speacial occation of tomorrows Our Place 6 month bash. Till tomorrow gents. Rob

[siberianmo]

Hi ya Dave

Well I'll tell ya this - it ain't cheap when it's comin' out of my tax dollars! But undoubtedly there are places where our exhorbitant per mile costs for light-rail will look pale in comparison. Surely doesn't justify it though. [tdn]

Thanx for the round! Boris ring the bell! [tup] Apparently the time difference may have factored in regarding your free lunch offer (check my response - above!) [swg]

Only been to Hawaii twice during my career - had an opportunity to visit all of the islands via CG helo. Can't imagine living there - really isn't my kinda lifestyle nor would I want to be that far removed from the contiguous 48. Whatever floats your boat, as they say! [swg]

Back to the saga of light-rail and the NIMBY crowd. That's precisely why our community doesn't have a link to MetroLink. I was addressing a Chamber of Commerce gathering back when we had a coalition of 400 active citizens trying to get light-rail here. One of the "uninformed," but well heeled attendees made mention of the trains being nothing more than a way for the criminal element to "come to our community." My response [?] When was the last time you ever heard of the bad guy making his get-away aboard a train [?] That's the mentality that destroys logic .......

On that note .... have a good evenin' and hope to see you in the 'morrow! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Tomorrow!

[West Coast S]

Tom...Yeh' the little lady won't be put off, rewire and replace two light fixtures in the kitchen, ditto for the bathroom, shampoo the living room rug, oh and while you've got your tools handy, can I have new fence and outdoor lighting? As if my week isin't busy enough, my son and his wife flew into town this afternoon. I suppose he'll, once again offer me the oppertunity to run his accounting office in Honolulu ( have to think that one over carefully) and so it continues, i've been desginated to escort some visiting brass from the Pentagon tomorrow, but, I will be in to offer my congradulations and a proper toast on our anniversy. Where are my manners? Round of Wild Turkey if you please.

A common theme regarding light rail and the rail industry in general is the "not in my backyard" crowd. The three mile extension needed to connect the Green Line to LAX is a partial victim of this mentality, tax payers want to know why it wasn't included from the get go and now the county is seeking around 12 million to correct their lack of planning.. Your 8 mil seems cheap in comparision.


Since no one obliged themself of my lunch offer, were on for Thrusday, in the meantime, rounds for the house unti 23:00 hrs. on me. Ok Boris your'e ozzing with anticipation..Bong..bong..bang, chug, chug .

Dave [8D]

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin' Gents!

Been an interesting day - not overwhelmed with Posts, but for the most part those who have come in, have had something to say! [tup]

West Coast S Dave Glad you accomplished something on the domestic side of your life. Kinda figured you were "over your head" when we didn't see you for OKTOBERFEST Saturday! After all - YOU didn't want me to discontinue it! [swg]

Enjoyed your POST and appreciate the inclusiveness of it - really do - thanx! [tup]tup][tup]

In reading about your Metrolink, thoughts come to mind about our MetroLink (note the "L" differences). The costs per mile are sky rocketing to the point where I serioiusly doubt we'll see any expansions - at least with local tax dollars. Our MetroLink is being audited by the State Auditor regarding an 8 mile expansion that is nearly $200 million over budget and growing. It's is now somewhere between $750-800 million for a bit less than 8 miles. Terrible, absolutely terrible. There is a serioius tax payer resistance movement afoot - property taxes, transporation taxes, et al. I'm doing my part to stir the pot in favor of responsible government spending. Sounds pretty much like an oxymoron to me. [swg] Anyway, I enjoyed your essay. The phrase, "Everything old is new again," really rings true 'round these parts too. Makes one wonder how and why did WE ever let it get this out of whack [?]

Before the baseball playoffs began, and the Cardinals had "clinched" a berth, I said that it would be an interesting World Series should the Angels make it. If for no other reason than to watch Eckstein and Edmonds play against their former team. Also wouldn't mind a White Sox matchup either, given the somewhat natural rivalry we have with Chicago. When I was living in San Pedro in '86-'88, I'd drive down to Anaheim to catch some AL action and always enjoyed the place. Prefer NL baseball though ......

Free lunch! [swg] Awwwwwwright .......

passengerfan Al Email received and responded to - thanx!

Nice supplement on the SP&S .... that's the idea of the [i[]Fallen Flags series[/i] - to stimulate conversation.

I never thought it would happen in my lifetime - but methinks America will soon regret losing so many rail rights-of-way. Once those rails and ties go to the scrappers, those routes are gone, gone, gone insofar as rail use is concerned. St. Louis still has many left - but the hikers 'n bikers are making serious inroads ....... There are those who claim coexistence works - I don't believe it for a second. These people have been hugely successful in not only getting their way, but also in having any vestage, other than perhaps a name (ie: Katy Trail) removed forever more.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Tomorrow!

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
Just wanted to add alittle to this AM thread on the SP&S. In later years the SP&S simply called the main train between Spokane and Portland the STREAMLINER. It carried cars from and to the EMPIRE BUILDER in Spokane and from and to the NORTH COAST LIMITED in Pasco. Eastbound the NORTH COAST LIMITED departed Seatrtle at 1:30 PM and the EMPIRE BIILDEr departed Seattle at 3:30 PM with both trains in Spokane near the midnight hour. Not only did the SP&S STREAMLINER carry cars for these two train but carried its own cars between Portland and Spokane. The SP&S operated a dining car ,coaches baggage/mail and Sleeper lounge eastbound operated as a parlor and westbound operated as a sleeper lounge. Their has lways been some question as to why the BN chose the NP route between Pasco and Spokane over the SP&S route. The SP&S route enjoyed better grades and it was possible to make better time on the SP*S route. Neither route served any really important cites or towns between Pasco and Spokane. Today the old SP&S route between Pasco and Spokane is a hiking trail.

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang....I have returned...Substantial progress has been accomplished on the honey do list over the past three days ....Sizeable portion of my paycheck for materials to rebuild 200 feet of wooden fence...yikes! I have no doubt a massive amount of painting/repainting awaits me.....Cuppa Joe, full strength if you please...

Tom... Great Sunday photo feature, I just might get off my duff and complete getting my 35mm onto disc to post.
Spank the Yanks!...Now on, to beat up the White Sox... Go Angels!
[yeah][yeah][yeah][yeah]

Great choice with the fallen flags, interesting note to one your chosen, SP&S late in life established run through agreements with the SP, bringing Grey and Scarlet to the Pacific Northwest and SP&S Yellow & Black to California....

PassengerFan..
As always your insight into passenger operations are unmatched. Great to have a knowledgeable source to address those nuances that others may have missed.

Troy...
As a prolific scratchbuilder is S scale, fantastic is all I can say..G scale must be great to work in.....

Ted...
Your humor is to commended, I see you and Boris have bonded...do I dare forsee Boris developing human emotions?

Rob....
King of traction....great insight...i'll have my own story to relate in a bit.

Nick...Par excellence, what else would one expect? Any chance we can get a walnut and wild mushroom stuffing for that turkey?

***, Gunns, CM3...
Welcome Back.. "Our Place" seems a bit smaller without your presence...

There was a recent article in the LA Times that illustrates to value of hind sight being 20/20.

The topic was the future of light rail in LA. Two opossing sides proffered their opinions and points who, for the purpose of this writing I shall refer to as group A and group B.

Group A..
Proposes restoration of service on the Wilshire Corridor to Santa Monica. The Mircle Mile is undergoing a revival and a light rail option would enhance the pedestrian friendly enviorment developers are seeking. On the negative side.. property for the right of way would be difficuilt and expensive to obtain and operate and would do nothing to address the issue that it would remain a isolated segment until a route decision could be agreed upon to connect with other segments of Metro Rail...

Group B
Proposes a route via Exposition Blvd utilization existing long abandoned PE trackage to Century City which still exist, virtually intact. Additionaly, the goal is that such a route would bring this area of LA into the modern age and spur redevolpement..Ridership would be tenious during the first six months studies predict. USC and Expostion Park could be potential traffic sources..
This route would be able to connect with other segements of existing Metro Rail at Union Station...On the Negative Side...The Expostion Blvd. suffers from high crime, drug activity and a large homeless population.. Would commuters choose to abandon their automobiles only to be acosted or worse?

While the poltical debate rages, one who is familar with the LA transportation scene, can't help note the irony involved.

There was a previous Whilshire Corridor rail line...Known as the Santa Monica Air Line of the Pacifc Electric... To this very day the former right of way cuts a swath between little and big Santa Monica Blvd...Why do we not just reuse it most might say...
In the wisdom of politics, the various cities obtained indviduel ownership of the land, LA proposed keeping it intact and available for future rails use..The dollar signs from special interest and developers blinded city officials who reversed their initial decision and have permited development of the former right of way as they see fit... Now we will have to bear the cost to replace what we had..

No one is rushing to bulldoze the Exposition Blvd. route.. In time, i'm sure we will have to bear the cost of aquiring a new right of way due to having relinquished an existing right of way for other uses.

I find it ironic that 80% of Metro Rail is constructed on former PE right of way..Makes one wonder what City Hall and Sacramento were thinking when the conspired to kill the PE. Everything old is new again...Just throw a couple of billions here and there to restore what we once had.


Ok Boris do your thing..lunch on me for the next four hours

Dave [:D]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #7

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (unknown origin – found at flea market; circa 1920’s)

HOTELS AND BOARDING HOUSES in the BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .along the
Washington and Old Dominion Railway

Name ……….……………….. Terms and other information

Bluemont, Va. ……….…… Located on mountain overlooking the Loudoun Valley;
… J.M. Moreland .………… modern conviences; excellent board. Rates on application.

… H. Rathbone Smith ……. Accomodations for several guests on large estate located
……………………………….. on mountain; meals at owner’s residence close to main
……………………………….. house; reasonable rates; references required.

… A. L. Longerbeam ……….. Best country board; terms moderate.

… Mrs. Millard Patterson …… Excellent board; chicken, milk, fresh eggs; home garden.
……………………………….. Terms $2.00 per day’ $10.00 and $12.00 per week.

… “The Heights” ……………. Modern conveniences; splendid home cooking.
… Mrs. T. P. Simpson ………. Terms moderate.
… Proprietress

… “The Loudoun” …………… Large lawn; tennis. Comfortable rooms, porches, etc.
… J. C. Beatty, Proprietor …… Terms: Single rooms, $15.00 per week; double rooms,
............................................. $12.00 per person per week.

Round Hill, Va.
… “Baldwin House” …………. Terms on application.

… F. P. Lowe ………………… Near town. Terms on application.

… E. L. Donohoe ……………. Terms on application.

… Fannie Wynkoop …………. Terms on application.

… Maud Wynkoop ………….. Terms on application.

… T. W. Best .……………….. Near town. Terms on application.

… Mollie Copeland .………… Terms on application.

… Edw. Finnell .…………….. Terms on application.

Purcellville, Va.
… “The Bell Inn ……………. Modern conveniences; plenty shade;
… Mrs. M. H. Beal …………. Lawn; garden vegetables. Terms $3.00
… Proprietress ...……………. per day; $30.00 per month.

… “The White Cottage” ……. Near town. Excellent table.
… Miss Rebecca Lloyd …….. Terms on application.
… Proprietress

… Mrs. E. Shoemaker ……… Near town. Large shady lawn; fresh
… R. F. D. No. 2 …………… vegetables. Terms on application.

… Mrs. Alice Corder ………. Near station. Modern conveniences.
.……………………………… Terms on applicaton.

Hamilton, Va. ...………….. Large shady lawn; fresh vegetables;
… Mrs. J. W. Chamberlin ….. milk; cream; eggs. Modern conveniences;
. ……………………………… excellent table. Terms $10.00 to $12.00 per week.

Leesburg, Va. ..………….. Located in business section. A delightful place
… “Leesburg Inn” …………. Spend day and week-end vacations. Special Sunday
……………………………… chicken dinneres.

… Mrs. Fulton …………….. Near town. Modern country home. Delightful meals;
.…………………………….. terms on application.

Electric Trains leave from Rossyln Terminal Station (Washington), located South End Key Bridge, on Frequent Schedules


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Tomorow!

[siberianmo]

G’mornin’ Guys!

A rather uninspiring Tuesday mornin’ in these parts, a bit on the gloomy side – but nothing terribly awful in the forecast. Sun has given way to layers of grey clouds with a few sprinkles here ‘n there. The temps are still very comfortable – 60’s, so the plus side is that Fall is in the air! [tup]

To the responses:

Rob First – your Email was received and responded to! Thanx …..

I wi***hat there was a way for me to replicate the pictures that are on those CPR posters – really great. Unfortuntely, that would occupy much too much time and I’m not sure that copies from copies, along with the proper colo(u)rs would do ‘em justice. Glad you liked ‘em and they were supposed to set the theme for the day.

I really know of no other passenger railroad in North America that could rival Canadian Pacific Railways when it came to sheer commitment in moving people. What a company and what a great era it was! Nothing wrong with being proud of what you are, where you are and who you are. Love it! [tup]

The pictures from the St. Louis Museum of Transport show the loco’s as they are on display. So that E2 you referred to should be in prime condition for viewing. C’mon down! [swg] I’m rather serious about that – you and Heather would have a place to stay and there ARE plenty of things to do ‘round these parts. Speaking of traveling – I neglected to mention in my Email about November – we’ve opted out due to the horrendous increases in air fares.

Thanx very much for the info on your Classic Juice series … watch the SUMARIES! [tup]

Gunns – Kevin At about 4 AM this morning, we awoke to the sound of what turned out to be a hot air balloon setting down out back in the picnic area. Who would emerge but YOU, heading directly for the back door. In you went (apparently you found a way!) and Boris came flying out of his shed to intercept the “intruder.” Fortunately for YOU that he recognized you. Hope the coffee was fresh enough and the just delivered bakery goods filled your hunger. [swg]

So, now that you are back – perhaps you’ll take the time to check out what has transpired since your last visit. It’s the only way to go – can’t have much of a dialogue when the conversations remain “one way.”

[#welcome] Back and hope you resume the dialogue real soon …….

Ted Sounds like your day began with a “bang” of sorts – not quite the way a sailor would like it, but I guess okay for an Army guy! [}:)][:-,]

Concur with your assessment of the “Revisionists” couldn’t have said it better myself! [tup]

You appear to have had a resurgence of sorts judging by the content and context of your Posts – not that they all haven’t been “on the mark,” but as of late, they’ve been especially inclusive and thought provoking. Thanx! Very much appreciated and it takes a bit of the response time from me – which I REALLY like. Why say “it” twice [?] [swg]

coalminer3 CM3 Am I ever glad to “see” you again! Sure have missed your presence ‘round here. Furthermore, I wi***hat everyone would follow your lead upon returning from an absence before Posting “in the blind.” Way to go – check out what’s been said – then get on with it. Very, very much what we’ve tried to instill in the guys from the “get go.” [tup][tup][tup]

You’ll find that MUCH has transpired. The Fallen Flags series and associated Nostalgia Posts should “flick your switch.”

Actually, tomorrow will be rather subdued ‘round here – we’re still getting over yesterday’s sumptuous feast for the dual holidays in Canada and the U.S. …… Tomorrow is really a simple affair with our customers providing their PERSONAL accounts of rail experiences (passenger or freight) for all to enjoy. It will otherwise be business as usual, but of course, should the place get a bit crowded and jumpin’, well we’ll party hardy! [swg]

Looking forward to your Post …… [#welcome] Back! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary Tomorrow!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning:

Coffee please, here's some quarters for the jukebox, and a round for the house. I'll check out all of the summaries, etc. as soon as I can so I can get back up to speed on what's been going on. I will definitely post a story for the Great Six Months Extravaganza; probably more branch line B&M stuff with a definite Alco twist. I assume that the hazmat teams and local authorities have already been alerted for tomorrow's festivities.

work safe

[Anonymous]

Just had a power outage and blew off my nearly finished post.[:(!] Where was I?[:(] Oh yes, Tom, I'll have a splash of Joe unleaded and a Bear Claw leaded, please. Yes, the "Revisionists" are having quite a good time rewriting history from their coffee houses and like centers of academia. I call them literary iconoclastic Anarchists, or if you prefer, anarchistic Iconoclasts. Dan Brown comes to mind immedaitely (DiVinci Code). Must be nice having a captive audience via the N. Y. Times, Barnes & Noble and Doubleday et al., don't you think?[xx(]

Hey, "a good time was had by all" yesterday.[tup] ***, thanks for keeping in touch from "Jolly Ole England." That took time and trouble and we all appreciate it.[tup] Gunns, the reports of your demise were greatly exaggerated.[(-D] Good to have you back buddy. "Cowboy bar," when the best B.B.Q. joint in 4 states is on your back porch? Favorite destination? First home, then anywhere in the Rocky Mtns., Colorado Springs will do nicely. Passengerfan Al, you cant beat a "perfect score," congratulations. Keep you red pencil handy for us, okay? Nick, you and Tom are the "research and development duo" par excellence.[^] Gotta love those Brit rails shots. Rob, you have mail and possibly "snail" following when I hear from you on my "reply" on this day[tup] EVERYBODY, "Let's get together and feel alright." Come Wednesday, we will have "Our" Place 6 month observance. Any and all comments on past persoanl R.R. experiences is what we want to share. Doesn't matter if they are fuzzy and warm, cold and bold, ironic and sardonic or sappy and happy. BUT, please do join in. You'll feel much better for it.

That *#$^ outage really threw me off balance.[tdn] I'll need to drop in later after I recollect my thoughts. Be well and Tom, "keep them cards and letters comin' in," they are appreciated beyond your imagining.[bow] Boris, forget about your birth date, are you sure you were born atall?[alien] See yas soon.

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S)

Headquarters: Portland, OR

Mileage in 1950: 968

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 3,547
Passenger cars: 48

Principal routes in 1950:

Portland-Spokane, WA
Portland-Seaside, WA
Portland-Eugene, OR (subsidiary Oregon Electric Railway)
Wishram, WA-Bend, OR subsidiary Oregon Trunk Railway)

Passenger trains of note:

Columbia River Express [Portland-Spokane)
Empire Builder (Portland-Chicago)
Oriental Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Western Star (Portland-Chicago)
North Coast Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Mainstreeter (Portland-Chicago)

Of note: SP&S handled GN’s Empire Builder, Oriental Limited and Western Star between Portland and Spokane; SP&S handled NP’s North Coast Limited and Mainstreeter between Portland and Pasco, WA


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

6 Month Anniversary Tomorrow!

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning Guys!

Same-oh, same-oh ‘round here this AM …. Check out The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case; our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee and our <light> breakfasts on the Menu Board! [tup] Good way to begin the day …….

Info for the Day:

Tomorrow, Oct 12th is The 6th month Anniversary of the creation of ”Our” Place. All of our customers are requested to Post a PERSONAL story regarding a rail experience (passenger or freight).

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags, etc.

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 – CNR (passenger ops)
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” 1800’s & early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI
119 – D&H
120 - PRR
121 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 CP Hotels & Lodges
122 – NYC
124 – A Tale of Classic Trains – BC Rail RDC trip
124 – UP (passenger ops)
125 – AT&SF
127 – B&O
127 – B&O Strata-Dome ad
127 – B&O Encor! ad
128 – CM&StP
129 – CB&Q
129 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 – Soo Line
130 – Great Britain Nostalgia #1 East Coast Route
133 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 CP 1886
133 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 CP 1950s
133 – C&NW

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 00:45:12 (132)

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 00:58:07 (133) Monday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 01:04:42 (133) CP 1886

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 01:09:18 (133) CP 1950s

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 07:12:23 (133) Fallen Flag C&NW

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 08:42:19 (133)

(7) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 09:11:59 (133)

(8) wrwatkins *** Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 09:12:18 (133) He’s baaaaaack!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 10:12:07 (133) reply to trolleyboy – Theodorebear – nickinwestwales – wrwatkins

(10) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 13:59:27 (133) A classic!

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 14:55:21 (133)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 17:02:59 (133) reply to Theodorebear & passengerfan, etc.

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 17:17:10 (133) inclusive post!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:56:55 (133) reply to pwolfe

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 20:19:25 (133) Another classic!

(16) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 21:11:10 (133)

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 21:18:38 (133) rely to nickinwestwales, etc.

(18) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 21:25:06 (133)

(19) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 21:32:50 (133)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 22:35:23 (133) reply to Trainnut484 & Theodorebear

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!


6 Month Anniversary Tomorrow!

[Gunns]

Evening All,
I'm back, I despratly need some coffee, I've never drunk so much beer in my life.....
Crewing with this years Germans was Schwer Schone, we usally ended up in a cowboy bar...
How ever I did get a chance to show them some of the Harvey house hotels in the area, those that are left are really somthing. Which brings me to the point, classic trains had some great destinations, El Tovar at the Grand Canyon was one, and perhaps my Favorite. Any others?
Oh and a pastrey,
Gunns

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again everyone. Nick & Ted Wow what a spread, and delicasies from across the great dominion to boot [tup] Nick I will try to keep Boris away from his "kinfolk" but you know how nature is[:O] Though I'm certainly not the expert, but I don't recall the ONR having any domes on the Polar bear. The algoma central definatly, but their cars are ex Western Pacific. Ted I haven't made it to yours or Toms mail yet but I will shortly expect answers on the morrow. Tom Good stuff on the CP posters. Old photo's of the car interiors from 1886 look posh posh. Mr Van Horn certainly wanted to cater to the more gentle set. The poster from the 50's demonstrates CP's passion and support for Canada and it's natural history. Something they still do today. On a couple of occastions I've seen CP bring around elements of their historic collections ( posters paintings etc ) for the general public to enjoy. Also I've always liked the C&NW kinda the underdog of the rail world.TRheya lways were looking for bargin locomotives to wring a few more miles out of. Witness the Minnesota ore fields, HH C628's and FM's pulling out thier lights. Pete Thanks for the photo support. I've always been drawn to work equipment. Mainline railway and traction. Quite a bit of it has been saved by various museums both stateside and here. Among our saved work equipment. Oshawa railway 45 { line car built by the NS&T } TTC rail grinders W28 st car subway grinder RT7 ( w28's sister ) W30&31 a MU set of PCC's ( ex cleveland ) used to railgrind after W28's retirement. TTC snowsweeper S-37 and TTC snowplow TP-11 calso call our museum home. TRC ( toronto railway co ) W4 work flat motor.( 1904 car also home built ) TTC crane car C-1( 1912 home built job ) TTC subway flatcars ( work motors } RT27 and RT 28 now move ballast and ties for us. Grand river railway rail binder M4 and Line truck M6 also share barn space at the museum. We also have an ex TH&B tie changer, and a ballast regulator( diesel powered but functional ) and several other wheeled line trucks at our disposal ( most of which we still use for overheadrepair and maintenance ) Russell & tom thanks for the added info on the Milw. electric locomotive. My one question is she stripped or is she still mostly intact? If she's intact is it operational ? *** [#welcome] home. Your journey seems as though it was tiring and harrowing at times. I for one am glad that you wern't asked to outrun any bullets. Thanks for the CP info as well. Maybe the double tracking of CP tthrough the foothills and mountains will entice the Canadain back to where it needs to run. When you were in calgary were you able to ride the Light rail there? Al Great news on your exams! Soooo are you doing our places taxes next year and of coasre it's memberships? [swg][swg] I'm looking forward to Wed Ted. it's my day off so hopefully I may be online with some of you. BTW I'm still letting my ACL purple and silver scheme stand as my pick for your most obnoxious paint scheme contest. A close second would be that hideous lime green / yellow Citrus scheme from SAL. Most obnoxious I think on the Baldwin cenetepeid locomotives ( as if tthey didn't stand out enough on thier own [alien] )Well gents I'm just about out of steam ( I've picked up my neice and nephews colds [xx(] ) Classic juice list as posted thus far. #1 The London and Port Stanley L&PS to be found on page 116. #2 The Niagara St Catharines and Toronto Railway NS&T. can be found on page 123. #3 The Montreal and Southern Counties Railway or MS&C can be found on page 131. Some more will be comming in the next few weeks as well as they seem to have been a hit thus far. [tup][:)] Well folks I'll leave money for everyones first round tomorrow Tom. Nite all Rob [zzz]

[siberianmo]

This place is just like the Hotel California

QUOTE: You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave!

[swg]

The "challenge" has been made - Ted wants all of us to fully particpate in our 6th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place this Wednesday by Posting an original PERSONAL story regarding YOUR experience(s) aboard a train (passenger or freight). Post it any time of the day you like - but be sure to do it! [tup]

Six of our "regulars" have been absent over the past few days. Now that's not full participation. However, for those who have joined in this weekend and today - many thanx to all of you! [tup] Especially our "Inner Circle." [swg]

It appears that our OKTOBERFEST Pavillion Tent made it through the festivities tonight without major damage. Thanx to the Local Constabulary the track gangs have been returned to their respective barracks buildings. [swg]

Russell As always, appreciate your stopping by ....... [tup]

Ted Consider this - as the Chinese become more of an influence in the world, wouldn't it be rather "natural" for the revisionist historians to foster a different view [?] I just noted that their tape measure has found Mt. Everest to be a bit shorter than the Euro's thought it was all these years! One thing is certain in all of this - none of us will ever REALLY know the truth of any of it.

G'nie (again!) [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

6th Month Anniversary this Wednesday!

[Anonymous]

It is heartening to see our total membership back "on line" and contributing generously with fine Posts.[^] Passengerfan Al, I echo your sentiments on day coach rail travel over bus. My X-mas leaves by rail were longer and more expensive than by bus. However, when I actually rode a Trailways from Baltimore to Tulsa, the train fare seemed a bargain. Tom, 'nuther Indian Pale please. Yeah, the Chinese migration is based on incomplete archeological evidence, however, it has not been pursued anything like the European claims of the past. I expect to see the "link" to China deepen and become broader as studies advance.

Wow, everyone seems pleased with the quality and quantity of the banquet.[tup] The Canadian Brass "stole the show" which gives pause for thought. So many people have never been exposed to light classical music that when they hear it for the first time; they come to realize there are "better things in life" afterall.[^]

The week is off to a great start. Let us not forget the 6 month celebration of "Our" Place on Wednesday. Everyone please "click on" your memory files and share some (any) personal experiences related to the many facets of railroading. Don't be reclusive because you imagine no one will appreciate your tale. Believe me, some of the most trivial events can be compelling to other members when that "spark" hits the tender. Okay Leon and Boris, you have both done a magnificent job controlling the "Crew" tent. Not to worry Leon, our insurance will cover the loss of those teeth. The whole tent full ran to the Paddy Wagon to escape your wrath. Good night and until tomorrow, I bid you a safe journey home.

[Trainnut484]

Evening Tom and all. I'll have a ML and some of that Clam Chowder. Welcome back ***. Pete, I took the E2 photo about two years ago at the transportation museum. The link that Tom provided will probably mention more about it. Rob, great pix yesterday of the trolleys, glad you like the Branson Scenic Railway URL. It's a good thing Boris [alien] hit the pinata instead of your noggin, Ted. Maybe a rubber mallet would do instead of his usual ringer? BTW thanks for the "high praise". Tom, great stuff about the ol' granger road CNW. I don't know much about them, but I miss their paint schemes on the locomotives.

Turning in for the night, G'night all [zzz]

Russell

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Nick[C=:-)]

Things are winding down, the [dinner] dinner menu is exhausting! [tup][tup][tup] You and Ted have done yourselves proud this holiday! Many thanx ...... [swg]

Ted A special thanx to you also for the extra effort put forth today. Whille the numbers of us who showed up today may not be reflective of an "average" day, those who did pass through the doors enjoyed one of our best feasts!

I share your hope that one day all of our regulars will fully participate - but not your optimism that they will.

Tomorrow is 'nother day, and for those of you who care - watch for the Fallen Flags and other special Postings. They are worth my effort if only one of you appreciates 'em. [tup]

I've had a bit of a long day 'round here and will be packin' it in before too long. Hope those of you who have enjoyed our Posts have a good nite - and join us back here tomorrow!

Oh [yeah] thanx to all who have bought the house a round .... always appreciated, and Lord knows we can use the funds! [swg]

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris ring the bell - a round for the house before I depart ...... [swg][zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

TOM -just hit "Madoc" site-thrown into ring without previous study-pleasantly suprised to find stuff out there,will study before shooting off mouth again,regards,nick