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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, December 23, 2005 3:59 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and as it is near Christmas a Bathams XXX as well. Whats that Cindy you can only find the pint classes[?] Oh well can you bring two ordinary Bathams to go with the one XXX please [:)]

AL thanks for the Alaska train and thanks Mike for the link to the Alaska photos.

WANSWHEELMIKE Wonderful links to the Veterans train it makes me feel very humble
and all credit to the people who organised the train. May I join you in the toast to the servicemen and women who are away from their loved ones this Christmas.

TED I read recently that China has nearly done away with steam on the National railway, with only industrial mines and steelworks still using steam. Some of the locos must be nearly brand new. I suppose a few will be kept for fan-trips. But it looks as though Steam's reign as a source of normal power for railroads is over after 200 years [:(][:(].

TOM Thanks for the Southern Railway nostalgia[tup]. I thought I had given you my birthday. I will send it.
Hopefully I shall be able to call in tomorrow off to Columbia now I will call in later if not too late. PETE.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 23, 2005 1:12 PM
Hi everybody, Tom, I trust you won't be shuffling through the "last minute" throngs at places such as Wal-Mart, et al.[V] Right Cindy, let me try a slice of fruit cake and "spiked" egg nog BK so generously provided yesterday, thanks. BTW, it would seem that something at "Our" Place has taken root with our nomadic friend BK. Phew Tom, Glad to hear your travel plans weren't torn asunder by the threatened VIA strike. Glory be, I can't imagine any labo(u)r union running 5 years without a contract. Thankfully, they didn't "walk out" before Christmas as did the N.Y. City cartel.[tdn]. Pardon me for being a "wet blamket," but that next to last paragraph seems to put things in "limbo."

Congratulations Doug on your prize for the contest. That was as close a run thing as I've seen hereabouts. I quite understand the interest shown in your India series. After all, it is nearly the last bastions of steam on this earth.[tup] China, last I heard, still runs steam in some isolated areas. That will change very soon with their recent emrgence as a major player in the World's markets.

CM3, I am tardy showing appreciation for the Vermont Central odes of "thesis- -antithesis." Rail travel, all through the years, has been something of an adventure, for sure. I wouldn't cover a 100 to 1 odds that anyone would depart or arrive as scheduled to any destinatiion, be it 25 or 2500 miles. Don, more enlightenment on the "FTs, F7s, FP7s and FP9's."[tup] The differences are subtle enough to challenge even a dedicated train Buff. I often wondered why A.T.S.F. prefered the FPs on their top "varnish" rather than the "Es." I suppose they are more effecient in multiples of 4 (or more) across the desert South West? I'm thinking the Es would be prefered in more mountainous terrain. Yes Pete, I'm sure it would take weeks to do any justice for riding the London rails. Recently, some ambitious New York kids rode the entire subway system without "surfacing" even for a breath of air. I'm not certain but I think it took the better part of 3 days, could be wrong though. Well its just after 2 p.m. and I'll post this now and, hopefylly, again later. Boris, listen to Cindy. What she says goes 'til the Proprietor returns later, get it? Gadfrey, he brought my Mackinaw.[alien] Happy Rails.[:D]
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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, December 23, 2005 12:52 PM
Hi Tom and everyone. In theory a soldier in Iraq who is into classic trains is online 6 months from family at Christmas. Be of good cheer this too shall pass. A round of eggnog please and a toast to all who serve.

I keep thinking about the combined El Capitan-Super Chief passengers locked out of the adjoining "seperate" train. You can say that these cars here are the El Capitan and those cars back there are the Super Chief, but to me it's all one train, and I would feel confined and claustrophobic, even in first class, if I couldn't walk the length of the whole train.

Don there's photos of just about everything at Google.com, just click for images.
http://www.photosbystevenjbrown.com/arr/aurora/arr.html

Tom here's links to Train of Remembrance related photos, couldn't find anything showing 33 cars
http://www.sackville.com/news/2005/11/veterans.html
http://www.herald.ns.ca/20051111/stories/story_1.html
http://www.herald.ns.ca/20051111/stories/story_3.html
http://www.herald.ns.ca/20051111/stories/story_7.html
http://www.webshots.com/search?query=train+of+remembrance&start=0

"Lay of the Lost Traveller" by Edward J. Phelps is said to have been inspired when Mr. Phelps left Burlington by the so-called "shuttle" train for Boston via Essex Junction. He got off the train and stepped inside of the station to await the arrival of the Main Line train. The usual shifting of trains took place and Mr. Phelps, without inquiring, got aboard a train which he anticipates will take him to Boston. But it is the same train that he had left a few minutes previously and he finds himself enroute back to Burlington. Where, on his arrival, the poem was supposedly written. He was president of the American Bar Association, Grover Cleveland's ambassador to London, and a professor at Yale. Born and raised in Middlebury, Vermont. (Source: Essex Community Historical Society)

I'll have to see that winter issue of Classic Trains, but I'm still in sticker shock. $7 for a magazine nowadays. Whatever happened to the Saturday Evening Post for 15 cents?
http://www.curtispublishing.com/images/NonRockwell/9561215.jpg

http://www.themediadrome.com/content/articles/food_articles/fruitcake.htm
http://www.carsandtrains.com/ironroad/cpr/cp8642_christmas.jpg
http://www.trainscan.com/news/scan/s0301/img_ovr.jpg
http://www.absolutad.com/gallery/tradition.jpg
http://www.watercressline.co.uk/santa.htm
http://www.bambootrading.com/xmas/x202.jpg
http://npcanteen.tripod.com/canteen/ca03010.html
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 23, 2005 12:13 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #50

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Railway (SR) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . THE SOUTH . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Suits to a “T” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

WHY has an average of one new factory a day located along the lines of the Southern Railway System during the past three years?

Because industries are discovering that the South served by the Southern is a “gold mine of opportunity”! With a wealth of natural resources and advantages, expanding consumer markets, skilled and willing workers . . . and a bright future . . . the South suits all industries – to a “T”.

Look Ahead – Look South!” Earnest E. Norris, President.

. . . . . . . . . . SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Southern Serves the South . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 23, 2005 11:20 AM
Mornin’ Gents!

To repeat: As Christmas draws ever closer, I expect we’ll see fewer ‘n fewer Posts. The bar ‘n grill will remain open throughout this Christmas and holiday season, but take note of the following:

Christmas Eve – CLOSE at 6 PM (all time zones!)

Christmas Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – even the mail slots will be “blocked.”

New Year’s Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – mail slots “open,” but NO PIX!


To the acknowledgments:

passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 07:58:12

This is one of your “Streamliners” that really brings forth some memories. Not so much of the exact train, but of an Alaskan rail trip in 1959. Traveled from Anchorage to Fairbanks aboard what was a U.S. Army run train. Can’t tell you much about the consist, other than they were heavyweights and we traveled in coach. The Army ran virtually everything in many places in Alaska back then, including the trains as I recall.

The trip was one of those impromptu things that came about while spending a few days in Anchorage on leave with a buddy. Back then, gals and drinking were the more important aspects of having fun! [swg] The train was simply a means to and end – “Wonder what Fairbanks is like?” or something like that.

By the by, I strongly suggest that you, barndad Doug & trolleyboy Rob hold off on your very informative and well thought out Posts in the “series” you all run. Why waste ‘em next week [?] There won’t be very many around ‘til at least January 2nd. So, go with the reruns – ENCORE! pieces.

jdonald Don Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 08:36:03 and 08:39:47

I appreciate your taking the time to acknowledge my request – means a lot! [tup]

Continuing “good stuff” on the F’s – same advice to you regarding next week’s Postings. Perhaps some “reruns’ would be better than having your fine work go unnoticed.

I’ve received my “official” Email from VIA Rail telling me that it’s okay for me to continue on with my plans for travel! [swg] There’s simply no excuse for any of this – no contract whatsoever for that length of time says a lot, eh [?] Shame on ‘em all.

Enjoy the time away …..

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 08:53:10

Aluminum is only good for beer and soda cans! Not in my pool room, thank you very much.

Appreciate the quarters, as always – along with the round! Boris Ring it – the “coal man” is buying!

Enjoy your time “off” and hope to see you soon!

Later, but not too much!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 23, 2005 9:02 AM
Mornin' Gents!

From CBC news:

QUOTE: Labour Minister urges 'common decency' to avoid Via Rail strike
Last Updated Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:16:31 EST
CBC News
The federal labour minister wants the parties negotiating a new contract at Via Rail to show "common sense and common decency" and not disrupt service during Christmas.

Thousands of Canadians are travelling, and the possibility of a strike or lockout would interfere with holiday plans, Labour Minister Joe Fontana told reporters on a conference call on Thursday.

"I don't want to see Canadians used as pawns in a work stoppage," he said. "They have to take the public interest in mind."

Fontana said his plea applied to both Via management and the 350 engineers represented by Teamsters Canada.

The union set a strike deadline of Christmas Eve. Management has not yet threatened a lockout, he said.

Fontana's advice for Via travellers was "hang in." The parties are talking with help from federal officials, and he characterized the issues in dispute as snags, not brick walls.

The engineers have been without a contract for five years, although part of the delay arose because the Teamsters took over as bargaining agent from another union about two years ago.

On Tuesday, the union issued a press release saying they had a "very strong mandate" but that there was hope a deal could be reached.

"The negotiation committee remains optimistic that an agreement can be reached without work stoppage," Gilles Halle, the president of the VIA Rail and Teamsters Canada Rail Conference, said in a statement.

Via said it is negotiating to reach a settlement.

If the strike does occur, Via will ensure passengers in transit at the time get to their destinations, the railway said.

If the strike happens, there is not much the government can do, Fontana said. Parliament can legislate strikers back to work, but it's not sitting at the moment because of the election.

He said the same advice he gave to Via and its union applies to the baggage handlers at Vancouver airport, where there is also a Dec. 24 strike deadline.


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, December 23, 2005 8:53 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Aluminum cue sticks will solve your replacement problem.

I will be offline for most of the next week. Merry Christmas to all.

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Posted by jdonald on Friday, December 23, 2005 8:39 AM
P.S.-Forgot to mention-VIA rail has settled their labour dispute and will be running. They haven't had a contract since Dec 2000!!

See you

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Posted by jdonald on Friday, December 23, 2005 8:36 AM
Good mornin Tom & all present-black coffee and a bagel toasted for me please.

Sorry I can't help with the posts today Tom-we will be away from our home 20 -leaving shortly, back tomorrow probably after closing time.

Al The Alaska R.R. AuRoRa! Wow this has really piqued my curosity. Know where I could find a picture[?]

Saga of the F Units continues

EMD LENGTHENED FREIGHT-TYPE CABS: 1500 AND 1750 HP, B-B

FP7 1500 HP Produced 6/49-12/53 U.S. 297 Canada 57 Mexico 18
FP9 1750 HP Produced 1954-1959 U.S. 4 Canada 54 Mexico 25

Features: The FP7 and FP9 are 4-foot-longer versions of the F7A and F9A. The increased length was used for water tanks to supply the steam generator. The extra lenght of the FP7 us visible in the extra space between the first porthole and the first louvered filter opening. On the FP9 the first porthole is farther back, so the extra roof hatch and the space behind the front truck are more reliable spotting features. The FP7 and FP9 were built only as cab units; there were no FP boosters.

Variations Chicago & North Western 4051A-4054A, the only FP9s built for service in the U.S., were rebuilt from Fts and were rated at 1500HP.

There will be a part 4 on the FL9 which will have to wait until after ho-ho day.

TO ALL THE CUSTOMERS & STAFF OF "OUR PLACE" HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR


Bye for now-keep it on the rails

Don

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, December 23, 2005 7:58 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a diet pastry from the Mentor bakery .

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER 34

AuRoRa Alaska Railroad October 18, 1947 Anchorage - Fairtbanks tri-Weekly 356 miles each way 12 hours.

The Alaska Railroad began streamlined train service October 18, 1947 between the territories two largest cities Anchorage and Fairbanks with a new train named the AuRoRa. The train was named for the famed Northern Light phenomen Aurora Borealis and also incorporated the initials of the ARR.
But the new AuRoRa was differnt then any other postwar streamliner to enter service.

The new trains was painted in a striking yellow and Prussian Blue scheme. The diesels that powered the AuRoRa were were originally constructed for the U.S. Army for shipment overseas to to the Trans Iranian Railway and were of Road Switcher design producing 1,000 hp each.

The cars were were ex U.S, Army Hospital cars built originally to move wounded from the west coast ports to inland hospitals closer to the GIs home towns if an invasion of Japan had become necessary. As well as these surplus hospital cars the ARR used several former Bureau of Mine Safety cars similar to the American Car & Foundry built hospital cars to to streamline the AuRoRa as well. The Hospital car were from the same lot that the Monon purchased and streamlined its postwar trains from.

The rebuilding and streamlining of these cars and the streamlined shrouding that was applied to the road switcher diesels that pulled the new AuRoRa was fabricated and installed by Puget Sound Bridge & Dredging Company of Seattle, Washington. As the cars and diesels were completed they were barged north to their new home in Alaska.

The new AuRoRa was an interesting streamliner as all cars wrode on madern six wheel trucks. Each AuRoRa operated with a baggage car and 94 seat coach for the short trippers as the AuRoRa would stop anywhere in the brush company to let passengers off or to board. And the train also served these wilderness types with the supplies they needed to sustain life. Many were trappers harvesting some of the worlds finest pelts. In addition for meals and lounging the train operated with a dining lounge car that featured a juke box in the lounge area. As rough as the roadbed was at the time I wonder if if it played without skipping when the train was moving,

CONSIST AURoRa

1050 Shrouded RS-1 1,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1050A Shrouded RS-1 1,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

57 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

71 Baggage Car

89 Baggage 48-Revenue Seat Coach

43 94- Revenue Seat Coach

35 60-Revenue Seat Coach

37 60-Revenue Seat Coach

9 32-Seat Dining 22-Seat Lounge Car

31 60-Revenue Seat Coach

33 60-Revenue Seat Coach

TTFN AL
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 23, 2005 1:07 AM


We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

A “Friday way” to continue this countdown to Christmas is to spend a bit of time with us by ordering a <light> breakfast from the menu board – have a cup of freshly brewed coffee and try some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! [tup]

Daily Wisdom:

Experience is another word for mistakes.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST OVER!:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
WINNER! barndad Doug . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom


(2) repeat Birthday Bash for CM3 set for Friday, January 6th!

(3) repeat I suspect next week will be rather light insofar as patrons are concerned, so many of my Posts will be ENCORE! pieces. Enjoy!

(4) "Our" Place is looking for a couple of good men! This afternoon, from about 2 PM CDT until about 8 PM, I'm going to be away from the keyboard and monitor. [yeah] Another dose of Christmas spirit with my bride! Anyway, if those of you who Post, would plan to do so in the AFTERNOON, it surely would help us stay "on top." That's it - just Post in the AFTERNOON. Cindy will be here to watch the store, so to speak!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 01:03:27 (199) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 06:03:48 (199) etc.

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 07:49:33 (199) Streamliner #33 – Hi-level El Capitan

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 08:12:26 (199) Vermont train travel, etc.

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 09:05:33 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 09:33:26 (199) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 09:48:27 (199) Juke Jar

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 22 Dec 2005 , 10:59:08 (200) He’s baaaaaack! Good stuff! 200th page!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 11:14:27 (200) 200th Page Contest Winner!

(10) jdonald Don Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 11:27:40 (200) More Fs, etc.)

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 12:31:14 (200) reply to moi!

(12) BudKarr BK Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 12:58:20 (200) BESA class of India loco, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 14:52:09 (200) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) BudKarr BK Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 15:13:46 (200) etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 15:45:05 (200) NOSTALGIA #49 - Ad – UP (1949)

(16) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 15:48:52 (200) etc.

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 18:20:23 (200) reply to: ftwNSengineer

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 20:23:51 (200) VIA Rail strike notice

(19) pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 21:54:44 (200) Inclusive Post, etc.

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 22:38:23 (200) reply to pwolfe

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:38 PM
Evenin' Pete

Was just about to check out when I saw your Post! [tup]

That VIA Rail situation just "jacks my jowels!" I heard today that the NYC transit walkout will wind up costing those employees a week's salary, plus the heavy fines against the Union. So how does any of this make sense [?] It is ILLEGAL to strike in New York State if one is a public employee and those transit workers are in that category. Duh. So now they go back to work - incovenienced millions. <yikes>

Appreciate your stoppin' by and hope that you'll do so right up until your departure date! By the by, tomorrow we're looking for afternoon Posts, hope you can help out. Also, how come we haven't been able to get you to sign up for the Birthday Watch List! [?}

Yes, it was good seeing the return of BK - Posted three times today. That's gotta be a first for him. Good info was porvided too. [tup][tup] Too bad Doug missed the "stuff" on the BESA locos of India.

Okay - Leon the Njight Man has the bar! Boris Ring it. GIve 'em what they want on the house, Leon

Later! [zzz]

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:54 PM
HiTom and all.

A pint of Bathams and is there some North Sea Cod, Chips and Mushy Peas please[dinner].

A busy day at the bar and[tup] DOUG on winning the compition.Your posts on Indian Railways has sparked at lot of interest, keep them coming. Good to see you BK and great info on the BESA Loco. The private loco builders in the U.K. produced some impressive engines. What a great museum in the link I was particuly impressed by the Bayer- Garrett articulated loco on one of the pages. The Indian Railways must be congratulated on saving so many fine engines and stock[^].

CM3 Thanks for the info on the Electro-Diesel FL9 locos, with the unusual wheel arrangement, it would be good to see a photo of one. Good poems[tup].

Al Interesting post on the High-Level cars and thanks DON for the photo reference in Classic Trains a great picture.Also thanks for the info on the F diesels, the numbers that were built certainly make the U.K. diesel class sizes seem puny.

TED Yes London is a fascinating place for railways but from the begining has suffered in the fact the north and south terminal stations were not directly linked. There will be another line from the north side of the city to the south coast when the Channel Tunnel Rail Link opens.
Last time I was in London they had the One-day travel card for travel on London Underground and British rail services in the Greater London area. It was availiable after the morning rush hour and is fairly cheap way of travelling the rails of London. It is amazing how little of the system you can cover in a day thought.

ROB I dont know if you have seen the January issue of Trains Magazine there is a very interesting, though sad, article on the Minneapolis-St Paul trolley system and how it fell to buses.

TOM Good Nostalgia. It reminded me of the days when the railways were a viable choice to visit parks, natural attractions and visits to the coast etc. Even in the U.K. you dont see the railways advertizing for this trade anymore. Yet in the 50s you could not pass a station without seeing a poster advertizing an excursion train or a least special fares to an attraction. Times change I suppose [:(]
Bad news about the strike there is talk of one in Britain when we are due over there. We just hope it can be settled before we get there. Always at holiday time. PETE
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:23 PM
Evenin'

I just received this text in an Email from VIA Rail Canada:

QUOTE: For immediate distribution - Thursday, December 22, 2005

VIA pursuing talks with union representing locomotive engineers
VIA Rail Canada issued earlier today the following statement.

"VIA Rail Canada representatives are currently negotiating with the Teamster Canada Rail Conference union representing some 350 locomotive engineers in a bid to avert a work stoppage. The union has given notice to the company of its intent to go on strike on Saturday, December 24, 2005, 4:30 pm EST.

"The Minister of Labour and Housing has appointed a mediator who is assisting the parties in the negotiation process.

"VIA is working hard to avoid a service disruption to customers and remains hopeful that an agreement will be reached before the set deadline. In the interim, VIA is also taking steps to ensure that passengers already en route are protected, should there be a work stoppage.

Customers with individual enquiries concerning their travel plans may contact VIA at 1-888-VIA-RAIL. Or check for the latest news at http://www.viarail.ca"


What a time to pull such a stunt! For shame, fer sure! [tdn]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:20 PM
Evenin' Gents!

P I'd think that you'd have MORE of a thirst than just one Bud after 6 hours of what I presume you could teach! [swg]

What do you mean by "picture day?" The next one is January 8th.

Later!

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Posted by red p on Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:48 PM
Hey Tom, Ill have a bud please.
Just got out of a 6 hour safty workshop.
congrats barndad Doug on the contest [:D]

Don thanks for the f unit info [^]
I should get out in the morning and im hoping to be back by picture day. Thanks for the beer ,gotta run though.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:45 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #49

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .”Wonder World” . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . OF SOUTHERN UTAH * ARIZONA
. . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . BRYCE CANYON . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NATIONAL PARK . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To visit Bryce is like entering a strange, new world. The rainbow-hued, fantastic stone shapes are mysterious, enchanting.

See Bryce, together with Utah’s Zion and Arizona’s Grand Canyon National Parks, on one memorable motor bus tour. Make this area your vacation destination or stop over en route to or from Los Angeles.

Union Pacific will take you to Cedar City, Utah – gateway to the Parks – in air conditioned comfort.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Road of the Streamliners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:13 PM
Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar,

I have returned only to make a couple of corrections to my previous offereings for this fine day. Still have a strong signal and began reading over what I put forth along with some current postings. Caught a couple of mistakes on my part and am compulsive to the point where those just have to be taken care of. <grin>

I find it simply amazing that so many of the rail carriages still in service in the U.S. and Canada have their origins back to the 50s. One would think - but then again, that seaplane that lost a wing near Miami was also a rather vintage craft. Makes one pause.

Believe it or not, I did not know the difference in locomotive nomenclature prior to roosting at this bar. Now I am somewhat conversant. This is quite a respite from the outside world and a good place for one to think and do other things.

Captain Tom, if I am able and the signal holds out, I will surely try to help tomorrow afternoon. We are somewhat at the mercy of a balky satellite system, not necessarily what one would consider state of the art.

A reminder, the spiked Egg Nog and holiday fruit cake is my treat for the remainder of this day and throughout tomorrow. <grin> Just ask that cloven footed fellow over there, to fetch your pleasure.

Your email replies have been received, and judging by the dates, I would say we also are having a bit of server problems with that end of the technology as well.

A pleasant afternoon and evening to one and all.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:52 PM
G'day one and all!

The return of BK, again shortly after mentioning him - he's baaaaaaaack! [swg] Happens so often with our regulars who leave us for extended periods. Glad to see you twice in one day! [tup][tup]

Emails received and responses a bit tardy, but they're gone! Yes, perhaps another time .... airlline schedules, fares, et al, really have put a damper on our Canada travels since May. And here we thought those fares were high! [wow]

Al Thanx for the info on the Hi-Levels and Superliners. I really knew some of it - just wanted to gin up a bit of conversation for those who don't ask. [swg] Didn't know about the cars still in service, however, and I'd expect as much from the Budd Company. [tup]

Don Nice continuing effort. There was a great poster some years back of Fs in all different liveries with different heralds. Perhaps it is still available, but it is one of those Classics just made for the wall of a trainroom in a matted and framed version. Are you listening, Santa [?]

BK Good stuff on the BESA locomotives and of course the Pix too! No sweat with the upload/download - anytime, Mate! Just ask.

"Our" Place is looking for a couple of good men! Tomorrow afternoon, from about 2 PM CDT until about 8 PM, I'm going to be away from the keyboard and monitor. [yeah] Another dose of Christmas spirit with my bride! Anyway, if those of you who Post, would plan to do so in the AFTERNOON, it surely would help us stay "on top." That's it - just Post in the AFTERNOON. Cindy will be here to watch the store, so to speak!

Okay, Gents, catch y'all a bit later on!

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:58 PM
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

My oh my, seems that I have made it into the history pages of "Our" Place with the turning of the page! Congratulations to you Mr. Barndad Doug, straight away selection indeed.

Captain Tom, thank you for the email communications and we are sadenned to learn that you will be unable to join us at Lake Louise. Perhaps another time, with a bit more notice from us, we will be able to form up.

And now for my contribution to this fine establishment, perhaps my last for 2005:

Here’s a little something from assorted sources from the internet regarding a class of steam locomotive operating in India many decades past.

BESA Class 4-6-0

Tractive effort: 22.590lb (10,250kg).

Axle load: 39,599lb (18t).

Cylinders: (2) 20 ½ x 26 in (521 x 660mm).

Heating surface: 1,467 sq ft (137m2).

Superheater: 352sq ft (32.7m2).

Steam pressure: 180lb sq in (12.7kg/cm2)

Grate area: 32sq ft (3.0m2).

Fuel: 16,800lb (7 ½ t).

Water: 4,000gal (4,800 US) (18m3).

Adhesive weight: 118,000lb (54t).

Total weight: 273,000lb (124t).

Length overall: 62ft 3 ¼ in (18,980mm).

QUOTE: More Briti***han anything that ran in Britain, this archetypal Mail Engine gave over 75 years of service and is still actively in use. This is the British Engineering Standards Association “Heavy Passenger” 4-6-0, introduced in 1905, of which a number (but not one of the originals) are still in passenger service in India at the time of writing (1987).

The railways of India were developed mainly by private enterprise under a concession system whereby the then British Government of India guaranteed a modest return on investment in return for a measure of control, as well as eventual ownership. The government felt that one of their perquisites was to set standards and, having made rather a mess of the gauge question, made up for it with an excellent job of wetting out a range of standards designs for locomotives.

The first BESA 4-6-0s were solid hunks of sound engineering, bigger when introduced than almost anything that ran in the same country. Their closest relations at home seem to have been some 4-6-0s built in 19-3 for the Glasgow & South Western Railway by the North British Locomotive Co. of Glasgow. NGL were to supply the first standard 4-6-0s to India.

The BESA 4-6-0s stayed in top-line work even after their successors the India Railway Standard (IRS), XA and XB 4-6-2s had arrived in the mid-1920s, because of unsatisfactory qualities amongst the new arrivals. The great success of the BESA designs seems to lie in the fact that they were taken from British practice as it existed, with the difference that both average and maximum speeds in India were 25 per cent lower than at home while loads were about the same.
(from a web site that did not identify its source, therefore I shall not credit further.)

And with appreciation to Captain Tom for prior arrangements in loading my pictures from email to his photo site, here are a couple you may find of interest:





The HPS was a typical BESA design locomotive, and prior to the advent of the bullet nosed WP, was the standard and most popular express power on the Indian Railways. Several were hard at work well into the late 1980s, especially on the NR and SR. Express passenger locomotives were loosely referred to as 'mail engines' in India, and the handsome HPS class of locomotives was the standard mail engine till the WPs came in. The engines had a maximum speed of 90 kmph, in keeping with their sleek express engine profile. The HPS/2 was in fact a derivative from an earlier HP class of locomotive. Other variants of the HP were the HPS and HPS/1. All (except the HP class) were provided with superheating. (from: http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/nrm/outdoor3.htm)


With best wishes to one and all for a MERRY CHRISTMAS and Joyous New Year!

BK

A Post Script: A nice Christmas gift for our Proprietor would be for those of you who are the regulars here, to pay a call over at Tom's other thread. Simply stop in - say a little something and let those who browse his pages know that he does indeed have a following. My guess is that there are many chortling over the inactivity there, the so called STARS of the Forums. [tdn] to them. Bah Hum Bug!
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:31 PM
Good Morning Tom ans the rest of the gang. Just time for a quick CR and i'm out the door once again.

Tom to answer your EL CAP questions the cars were built by Budd and yes they were used as the guides for the Superliners. Amtrak as this is written is operating some of the Hi-Levels as they were all converted to HEP. Five of the "TOP OF THE CAP lounges were remodeled to Pacific Parlor cars and operate in the COAST STARLIGHT for first class passengers only.

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Posted by jdonald on Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:27 AM
OOOOOps pressed the wrong button[:I] didn't want to finish yet.

The "F" saga continues PART TWO

F2A 1350HP produced 7/46-11/46 U.S. 60 Canada 0 Mexico 14
F2B 1350HP produced 7/46-11/46 U.S. 16 Canada 0 Mexico 14
F3A 1500HP produced 7/45-2/49 U.S. 1107 Canada 4 Mexico 0
F3B 1500HP produced 7/45-2/49 U.S. 694 Canada 2 Mexico 0
F7A 1500HP produced 2/49-12/53 U.S. 2261 Canada 80 Mexico 25
F7B 1500HP produced 2/49-12/53 U.S. 1420 Canada 47 Mexico 16
F9A 1750HP produced 1/54-12/56 U.S. 77 Canada 0 Mexico 10
F9B 1750HP produced 1/54-12/56 U.S. 98 Canada 46 Mexico 10

Features: All the models have the bulldog nose of the FT but only two exhaust stacks; and B units lack the overhang at the rear of the FTB. FTs have recessed radiator fans; these units have four roof fan housings of various types that project above the roof line. Dynamic brakes are indicated on F2s abd F3s by a pair of screened rectangular openings ahead of the four radiator fans, and on F7s and F9s by a fifth fan ahead of the four radiator fans. The models are distinguished primarily by their side panels, which were, however subject to alteration during repair or rebuilding.
Variations: Many F2s, F3s, F7s and F9s were built with steam generators, which show up in the form of extra underbelly water tanks, water fill cap, and steam generator exhausts at the rear of the roof. Many A units have agyrating warning light in the headlight casing at the top of the nose, displacing the stationary headlight to a position in the nose door. F2s and F3s have small number indicators in a streamlined housing that includes a classification light; later units have large number boards and separate classification lights. F2s and F3s built until 1947 have tall rooftop fan housings. All these details could change when a unit was repaired or rebuilt.
Nomenclature: There is little internal difference between the F3 and the F7, and most of that is electrical. Many F3s built between Aug. 1948 and Feb. 1949 had F7 traction motors and are sometimes called F5s. Details such as side panels, grills, louvers, doors and fans changed during the production of these models, and often the changes did not coincide with the model designations. Students of diesel locomotives developed and codified these changes as phases or types of the different models.


Still trying to find suitable URLs to accompany these[banghead]
Third and final part to follow

Bye for now-keep it on the rails

Don








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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:14 AM
And we have a winner - bandad Doug!

Congratulations on picking the date for turning our 200th page here at "Our" Place the "little bar that could." [swg]

Thanx to BudKarr BK we've attained yet another milestone - 200 pages of Postings!



Okay, Doug you win the prize (but no Bonus, since you didn't pick the person to turn the page)! You win: Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

Good show to one and all who particpated in our last Contest for 2005!

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:59 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and fellow patrons of “Our” Place!

A festive bit of cheer is in order, therefore set up the bar with some spiked Egg Nog if you will and perhaps some of that fine looking Fruit Cake from the local bakery. My treat for today and tomorrow!

As I look back upon these past several weeks I am in a reflective frame of mind for certain. My thoughts are of things like home, hearth and family. Something I have not experienced in quite some time. My career has taken me to all places far and wide, to situations of far less than tranquility and amongst many who were more than willing to harm than help. I do not endorse the Destiny’s Child theorem, however, someone surely has watched over my comings and goings and for that this season always has special meaning.

We were in Calgary this past weekend – actually arrived Thursday last and stayed through Monday. Another long drive to and from, but one that was enjoyable and as relaxing as any motor trip can be. <grin>

No meetings with anyone connected with railroads, but there were a few politicians in the mix. As is my practice, I speak when spoken to and otherwise stay on the periphery of the conversations. They seem to have a fixation with things “anti U.S.” these days, noticed that in Edmonton as well. Having the benefit of dual citizenship, I can and do offer my “sides” to the issues! <grin> I have heard it mentioned more than once in my lifetime that there is a certain paranoia amongst some in Canada regarding their southern neighbor. These same people simply find it difficult to believe that for the most part, many in the U.S. don’t even think about Canada, at all. I digress, ring the bell you beast of a cloven footed monster, and there will be a round for one and all. By the way, that is a curious thing on your head – an Elf are you? <snicker>

We will spend the Christmas Eve and Day here at home in the mountains. Then we will embark upon another journey to the Lake Louise area for our stay over the New Years holiday. It is quite a resort and one that Canadian Pacific constructed years ago. We will spend 4 or 5 days there, perhaps get in some skiing, but most definitely enjoy the great outdoors. Vibrant and alive is the way to be, especially given the alternative.

I spent a great deal of yesterday browsing through the past 20 pages at the bar. Captain Tom, you have developed quite a following and the submissions are, for the most part, superb. I think this crop of regulars surpasses those from the past only in the quality of their inputs. Perhaps the quantity is also up from say 3 or 4 months back, but the diversity of topics is simply amazing.

As I am known to do, I offer this: do not spend too much time anguishing over those who simply will not participate. Why does it matter? My recommendation is to keep things on the rails, as some like to say, and continue to cater to those who really provide the substance to your bar and grill. Your approach with the interloper crowd, as you refer to them, is precisely on target. Ignore them and others who will not join in with the spirit that is alive and well inside Our Place.

In my last appearance, I did make mention of my inability to recognize one and all for the efforts displayed on these pages. The same applies to today. My personal appreciation to the regulars of Our Place – that would be: Nick – Rob – Ted – Al – Pete – CM3 (what IS your first name?) and Doug. Next come the newer gentlemen who have made some wonderful and continuing efforts to be a part of all this: Don and Mike. There are others, but the names I have cited are those who jump out at you in the Summary pages provided by our leader.

I should make mention of this too – I miss the Index feature, especially since my catching up takes so long in between postings. Additionally, I very much would miss the daily Summary and hope you do not discontinue them. That Sunday picture posting Index was a grand idea, one that received very little recognition I might add. Captain Tom, your efforts exceed the appreciation shown, and perhaps always will. Thank you, Sir!

To Doug: That series of yours on the steam trains of India indeed does ring a bell for me. I spent some time on the subcontinent and avoided those trains at all costs! <grin> Unfortunately, there were a few occasions whereby rail was simply the only way to get from point A to point Z, with at least that many stops in between. Horrible system, if one can call it that. Give the Brits an A for effort, but the thing has surely never lived up to the expectations. Too many people, too few carriages and trains, perhaps. Not my “cuppa” if you will.

I shall return, as the phrase goes from one rather famous General of the U.S. Armies. For now, it is time to prepare a little something for the gathering to ensure that I am looked upon as a contributor.

Until then.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:52 AM
Mornin' Don

Here's the way it works: you are NOT downloading files to the forum - you are copying them. There is a difference. Simply prepare your work on your WP, use the copy feature, then paste it within the block for Posting new messages. Be sure to use the "preview reply" feature BEFORE Posting, just to catch any subtle differences in format - which there are bound to be. Once satisfied, go for it.

Good to see you this fine day and enjoy the "countdown" to the 25th! [swg]

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Posted by jdonald on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:48 AM
Good Mornin Tom & all; black coffee & a danish from the bakery for me please.

More great posts since I looked in yesterday

Al Good piece on the El Cap. In Classic Trains Winter 2005 issue there is a great picture on p.58 that demonstrates the transition from low-level to the hi-level cars.

CM3 Enjoyed the Essex Jct poems. Guess we have all had to deal with our own Essex Junction in one way or another.

Tom since I slept through most of Computer 101-if you do your post on a word processor prog., how do you get that on to the forum[?] Thought they had a rule against about downloading files on to the forum.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:48 AM
G’day!

Here are the recommendations for “names” for the Pickled Pigs Feet jar of quarters for “Herr Wurlitzer, der Juke!”

The idea is to provide a name for the jar that reflects its primary donor, which has been “hands down” coalminer CM3.

Any more suggestions [?]

I’ll make the “announcement of a ‘winner’ next week. [swg]

Rob - Coal Scuttle
Doug - Pete or PJ
Ted - CM3's Pig in a Poke, or CM3's Ham Hock
Pete - Trotter Coffer

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:33 AM
Mornin’ Gents!

A nice start to a great day here in mid-Continent USA. Blue skies, temps expected to rise into lower 50s, with just a bit of a breeze. Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” (where one station has boarded up – down to two now) the stuff is selling for $2.13 rounded. Our forecast for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day is warm, warm, warm with perhaps some rain, rain, rain. Booooooooo Hisssssssssss. [tdn]

To repeat: As Christmas draws ever closer, I expect we’ll see fewer ‘n fewer Posts. The bar ‘n grill will remain open throughout this Christmas and holiday season, but take note of the following:

Christmas Eve – CLOSE at 6 PM (all time zones!)

Christmas Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – even the mail slots will be “blocked.”

New Year’s Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – mail slots “open,” but NO PIX!


To the acknowledgments:

barndad Doug Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 06:03:48

Don’t count yourself out quite yet. We’re at least halfway through page 199 as I type this (with all 8 fingers and two thumbs for anyone who is concerned about such things!). So, I’d say you’re still in the ballgame.

Hope your train trip to and from downtown is as enjoyable as I’m sure you will try to make it. Give the kids the window seats (which you will, of course) and let ‘em absorb that “feeling” as the scenes zip by – and by – and by. [swg] [tup]

We used to travel up to Chicago at least once a year, sometimes more. We’d drive (ugh – one of the most uninspiring drives in America!) and stay at what used to be Quality Court directly across from the Navy Pier on Ontario Street. Probably stayed there at least a half dozen times. Always had a good time in the “Second City” (which it isn’t any longer … LA is.) Anyway, one of my favorite big city environments, fer sure, fer sure! Enjoy yourself – stay safe and we’ll be looking for ya before the “big day!”

I've taken Amtrak up to Chicago more than a few times - depart at 4:30 AM - spend about 5 hours "killing time," then board the Texas Eagle for the always late arrival back in St. Louis that night. I like to do it that way just to have dinner in the diner and also enjoy the Sightseer Lounge and Superliners. On the morning leg, I purchase the Business Class and wind up sitting in the dark, staring out at the passing lights until sun-up. Then occupy a table for some "Joe" and whatever is hot from the cafe car menu.

I’ll be making a decision on the name for the Pickled Pigs Feet Jar shortly. I was going to throw it open to the guys, but given how difficult it has been lately to get them to sign up for Contests and our Birthday Watch List!, who needs the grief [?] Ain’t quite the same ‘round here as it once was in terms of willilng participation across the board. Ah, times, things and people CHANGE. I got it! [swg]

passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 07:49:33

Et tu, passengerfan Al [?] Not preparing your submissions on a word processor program can be hazardous to one’s mental health and good demeanor. [swg] Of course, I’m supposing that was the case ….

Regarding your Streamliner Post on the Hi-Levels, I have a question or three. Who manufactured those cars [?] Were the plans used in anyway for the development of the Superliners implemented by Amtrak [?] Finally, are any of the Hi-Levels still in service [?]

Appreciate the input and look forward to the answers!

You know, the thing that always comes to mind when I read through the Posts of the “contributors” to this bar ‘n grill is that those who simply gloss through – if that - are missing so much.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 08:12:26

The one and only connection I have ever had with Vermont and railroading was visiting Bellows Falls and Steamtown way back in the late 60s. My three kids loved it and somewhere in the archives of my family films are boxes of 35mm color slides of the event. A great benefit of living in the Boston area was the proximity to so many fun things to do.

Okay, you’re Birthday Bash! will be a morning-afternoon “thing,” and the notices will commence straight away! Especially since we’ll have a dwindling clientele for a week or so.

You say “don’t worry” about those cue sticks – however, the bar is absorbing the costs for replacement. Perhaps we need yet another jar for that purpose! <geesh> It’s far easier, and cheaper, just to fling a ball at someone’s forehead. <grin> ‘Tis the season to be Jolly, Fa La La La Lah, La, La La La Lah! [swg]

I’d never been treated to either of your bits of prose, so they were as new as the wind driven snow (which we haven’t seen very much of!). The exasperation of RR travel still prevails, doesn’t it [?] The more things change, the more they stay the same, or so it seems. Good stuff! [tup][tup]

Thanx for the round and quarters. We’ll be affixing a name to that Pickled Pig’s Feet Jar pretty soon – something you’ll be able to “connect” with. [swg]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 09:05:33

I must have been imbibing a bit heavily the day I put those “guidelines” together. The idea was to eliminate “ties” – but going with the first one to pick the date does that very thing. Next time, no selections for time. Good observation! You still shudda played! [swg]

Don’t want to confuse things further, but DON’T “refresh” while you have info in the “block” for new Posts. If you do, well it does get lost. There is a way around it, of course – just “copy” what you have in the “block” (Ctrl c on the keyboard) – then “refresh” – then Ctrl v on the keyboard into the “block” and your ‘stuff’ will reappear. I prefer the WP, avoids any losses completely.

It is a maddening thing, one that the Forum designers probably didn’t think of or aren’t really following. The fact that when one logs in doesn’t immediately provide the most current info still boggles my mind.

Bathtubs, ice and brew. I’ve forgotten about that “trick!” Yes, methinks we’ll have more than one “Board Meeting” while in the suburbs of Toronto. Just have to make sure that Sir Rob situates us in reasonable proximity to a Provincial Store! [swg]

Yes, Sir Ted the LGB cars are fitted with interiors AND figures. I’ve also illuminated the coaches, diner, Postal/baggage car and caboose. Love the sound of LGB on the tracks – just a “smooth” running operation and very enjoyable to watch. There are two power packs – one for each oval – and when the grand kids come to visit, they have a little something to operate. Can’t hurt a thing. Of course, kids these days think trains are like race cars – the faster they go, the better. Hmmmmmmm, I seem to recall more than a few derailments with my Lionel O-27 ‘round a few curves! [swg]


Later!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:05 AM
Good mornin' everyone out there in "compulsive consumer land." Hey Tom, maybe just a scrambled egg on a toasted English please. I'll grab a cuppa Columbian myself.[^] Looks like the contest is coming down to the wire, eh? Well, I couldn't quite understand the guidelines. If the contestant gives more than the date and person, (i.e. name and hour), how does that effect his "right or wrong" answer? Pay no attention to me. I probably missed the fine print somewhere.

If I may, just a short interjection on our previous chat on the "double and single controlled" street cars. In K.C., MO the Peter Witts and P.C.C.s were all "single" end cars and there were "turn abouts" (rotaries) located along the ROW at different points to reverse their direction. There were several along the Country Club line toward the Plaza area and beyond. Pittsburg, PA also used them at the "end of the line." These were not "in street" girder rail but on ballast. To my knowledge, all Steeple Cabs had controls on both sides of the cab. Now, here is a question for Rob. How did the P.C.C.s reverse if they "over shot" a switch?[:O] I seem to remember that happening once and the Motorman went to the rear of the car and pulled the seat cushion up for access to the reverse controller. Its all very hazy now (50 years hence) but was the "reverse" powered by D.C. battery? I can't recall if he disengaged the trolley pole or not. All the streetcars in Tampa are double poles (2 truck Birneys).

Barndad Doug has the right idea. When going to town, "take the train." Say, Tom, do my eyes decieve me or do those G gauge passenger carriages have interior details? BTW, I have lost whole topics by trying to "refresh" before sending a post. The Word Processor is, no doubt, the way to go. And yes Rob, Tom brings up a good point on the "watering hole" in TO having copius stocks of the golden elixer of life. Of course, I usually "ice down a few" in the bathtub for any such unforseen emergencies.[(-D] You never know when there may be an impromptu board meeting called.[:-^]

In a very short period it will be "that time again" and I want to wish each and everyone one of our numbers a joyous Holiday celebrated in the manner of whatever your traditional custom may be. Safety for hearth and home, I'm sure, will be a priority for all of us. Isn't it fortunate that we are not facing the difficulties experienced by New Yorkers today? I'll stiffle the small talk for now and I hope to be around 'til Christmas Eve. Pete, thanks for additional input for the London scene. I'm going to find a rail trainsit map for that City and environs so I'm not "in-the-dark" on the myraid of lines all about. Right Boris, if you will just hand me my Mackinaw, I'll...no, that is Tom's P coat...no, that's Rob's Wind Breaker...no, that's Doug's Labrador...no, that's Mike's Drizzler...Tune in later folks to see if I ever leave the premisis. Happy, happy, Ted
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:12 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. This morning we'll punch up Choo Choo Ch'Boogie, San Antonio Rose (Bob Wills version, of course) and Ernest Tubb with Walking the Floor Over You. Weather here is a tad better this morning, +12 degrees. Still, it's enough to make outside work a little slower.

Some insightful posts to view this a.m.

The New Haven FL9 is probably the best known dual-power (diesel and straight electric) locomotive. This beast was designed to operate between Boston and GCT w/o the traditiional change of power at New Haven. They kind of resemble an F unit on steroids as they have a two axle front truck and a three axle rear truck. Electric power came off a third rail shoe which could be lowered into position as required. A few are still with us although I believe the last of them is being phased out in Metro North commuter service around New York. I remember them quite well, of course, as they were regulars at South Station on Shore Line trains and in other service as well. They had Hancock chime whistles which were designed to simulate steam whistle sounds.

Don't worry about Boris and cue sticks. Lots of people in this part of the world hit things and other folks with 'em all the time. In some cases it's the weapon of choice.

Re my B'day bash - I am sure I'll be around in the a.m. and the afternoon - so stop by and enjoy!

Since we have been talking about the Central Vermont, etc. here's two pieces of classic f poetry(?) dealing with train travel in Vermont "back in the day. Many of you have probably seen them already; if so, I apologize

Here's the first one.

The Lay of the Lost Traveler

With Saddened face and battered hat
And eye that told of black despair,
On wooden bench the traveler sat,
Cursing the fate that brought him there.
"Nine hours," he cried, "we've lingered here,
With thought intent on distant homes,
Waiting for that elusive train,
Which, always coming, never comes:
Till, weary, worn, distressed, forlorn,
And paralyzed in every function,
I hope in hell, their souls may dwell
Who first invented Esses Junction!"

"Here Boston waits for Ogdensburgh
And Ogdensburgh for Montreal,
And late New York tarrieth
And Saratoga hindereth all!
From far Atlantic's wave-swept bays
To Mississippi's turbid tide,
All accidents, mishaps, delays
Are gathered here and multiplied!
Oh, fellow man, avoid this spot
As you would plague or Peter Funk shun!
And I hope in hell
His soul may dwell
Who first invented Essex Junction!

And long and late conductors tell
Of trains delayed or late or slow,
Till e'en the very engine's bell
Takes up the cry, 'No Go! No Go!'
Oh, let me from this hole depart,
By any route, so't be a long one,"
He cried with madness in his heart,
And jumped aboard a train, the wrong one,
And as he vanished in the smoke
He shouted with redoubled unction,
"I hope in hell
His soul may dwell
Who first invented Essex Junction!

Followed by a riposte

Reply to the Lost Traveler
By Postmaster Alfred P. Lonergan
of Essex Junction, Vermont

Some years ago, a Senator -- I believe Phelps was his name,
So journed in Essex Junction while waiting for a train,
Inclined to be poetic to pass the time away,
In rhyme real pathetic had quite a lot to say.
Condemning Essex Junction in English not so swell --
In fact, he hoped its founders were shoveling coal in Hell.

The writer has so journed here nigh on to thirty years --
To diagnose: the Senator had brains with wheels and gears
That needs oiling quite badly to open up his eyes
To find he's erred quite sadly and should apologize.

The writer feels the Junction is a pleasant place to live;
Its people and its founders the best that God could give;
A haven that was founded in our Green Mountain State
By pioneers that rounded among the good and great.

Those pioneers have come and gone -- I've stood beside their heirs.
They seemed to whisper, "Carry on; waste not your time in tears."
Somehow, in kin they left behind, the spirit seems to last.
The Mill will never grind with the water that is past.

The trees will cease to bloom and flower unless you give them sap;
The mighty streams will lose their power unless you fill the gap.
Their names engraved on monuments, their pens have ceased to function,
But they have written history for good old Essex Junction.

Their pens were swords at Gettysburg -- also at Valley Forge --
Their inks were drops of human blood that flowed down through the gorge;
That followed good old Sherman from Atlanta to the sea;
That made the good old USA a land of liberty.

The C.V. station stands erect where sat the famous Phelps
To criticize these gallant men between the groans and yelps.
Because the gears were all gummed up that God put in his brains,
And clogged the art of reason when it came to catching trains.

He couldn't tell if Montreal was way down south or north;
He didn't know if Santa Claus came 'round on July fourth,
And so he boarded the wrong train and had to hike it back --
In other words, our famous Phelps was clean way off his track.

With saddened face and battered hat, on wooden bench the poet sat,
Trying to clear his muddled brains -- all mixed up on C.V. trains.
With mighty pen -- without compunction -- assailed the Village of Essex Junction.
His poem sojourns as an aftermath, and these words are written in epitaph:

Here lies a poet whose muddled brain sent him to Hell on a C.V. train;
Since he has passed the Great Divide, his mistakes and delays have multiplied.
His mighty pen has ceased to function; he shovels coal for lack of gumption,
Not hide nor hair can he find there "who first invented Essex Junction."

work safe

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