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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:52 PM
A Classic juice ENCORE to wind out the day !

Also Leon another round for the house , this first appeared way back on page 162. Enjoy
Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


Okay Classic Juice #10

The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car'

A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney's were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker.

First a bit of run up back history to the avant of the one man car.

To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley'sappearse tio have chaged little before the 1930's. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20's. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars.

More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20's also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20's steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it's first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907.

Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproof and held together better under vibration. As steel's advantages became better known and hardwoods became more scarce,the tide of opinion changed and by 1912 the star of the changeover took place. Wood interiors and wood framed canvas covered roofs remained in vogue for many years yet but after 1917 the all wood car was obsolete.

While double truck cars became increasingly more popular after the turn of the century ,single truck trams continued to be built to the 1930's. Because they were shorter and lighter, and took up less street space,required less maintenance and consumed less energy.They were better suited to single man pay as you pass operations as well for smaller cities and less travelled routes. Money savings were the prime motivation in the 30's to single man cars as well.

The unions of coarse were not happy with the loss off two man crewing. The main crux was what if the motorman passes out ot dies with no conductor who would save the passengers, this is a death trap etc etc. Enter the safety car ( and better motorman wages/ sorry conductors the union got less jobs but, more money for the remaining members )

Significant technical improvements / advances happen just prior to WW1 making 1 man operation safe and practical. With the "safety cars " the first was built by St louis car in 1913 for the illinois traction ( later terminal , thought you would like that Tom ). It featured a combination brake,sand and door mechanism plus a deadmans handle. The latter became the main feature to overcome the objections to one man operation should the operator become unconscious or dead.The handle has to remain depressed,otherwise the brakes and would automatically apply amd the doors would be made openable only by hand. Doors could not be openned while the car was moving nor could the car move if the doors were open. Hence the "safety car" name.

This system was designed by J.M. Boisenbury ( Illinois Traction's superintendant of motive power ) he worked in conjunction with westinghouse. A foot positioned deadman's button which had to be stood on at all times was also developed at this time.( PCC's use these )

Safety cars of all shapes and sizes were built to double and single truck models.The most popular was the Birney designed by Charles O. Birney of Stone & Webster. his car standarized on a 28 foot 16,000 pound car first produced by Brill in 1916 ( The KW picture I posted on Sunday ) This was a rougyh riding but cheap to produce car essentilally the model T of the transportion systems.They were no frills minimal heating with rataan seats. The latter double truck models rode better but were still rough 47 feet long 40,000 pounds. The later still witt's and PCC's are also safety cars in that their safety appliances are the same ( deadman handle on the Witt , floor pedal on the PCC ) they were just more civilized to the ride characteristcs and of coarse they wer faster.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:35 PM
Hello Leon your looking rather bored this evening. I finally managed to read 203 and 204 ( darn internal server problems [censored][banghead] )

Tom I thank you for picking the "coal scuttle " heers a sock of loonies for it, in commemeration of this fine event and Leon a round of everyones fav poison as well.
Nice movie url's that you and Russell provided as well,movies about trains are always top of my list as well.[tup]

Russ Good to see you back , and in a flurry of activity at that. That particular drinking bit would fit well into the MADD groups anti drinking and driving campains, the less tounge and cheeck and politically correct the better I figure. I know that at least here in Ontario, the OPP takes a very dim view of those who wi***o partake and drive

BK & Pete happy (t)rails, hope you guys have a wonderfull time on your trips. And a very happy New Years to the both of you as well.

Tom The gazzette is still pure gold [tup] I think I pick up more info every time i read it. You never know if the sunday posting days(ze) get old we might think of doing a gazzette sunday once in a while . Just a random thought ( verbal diarrea if you will )


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:04 PM
Good evening Tom and the gang. I.ve been having fun with the forum the last two days(daze) at the moment it won't let me open pages 203 or 204. So I'll limit respnces etc to the previous info and try again later. I also have noticed that I was left signed on even though I had logged out. Wierd and frustrating.

Tom I'll grab a Keiths while I attempt this communication( my next attempt may be via smoke signals. Loved your last three encores of B&O,D&H & the UP. I assume that the traffic here has been slow but there does seem to be some substance I just can't read it yet [banghead]

Nice to see *** % dan back breif or not still nice to hear from them.

dan We had a silmilarly quiet xmas ourselves. My Mom and dad are away in Colorado so we spent most of xmas with Heather's aunt from Toronto and her parents. all of us seem to have finally persudaed aunt Betty to retire and move to Brantford ( she's 78 and needs to retire ). I agree with the thought that a quiet reflective Christmas was far preferable to the usual run and go type Holiday's that we normally have.

Mike Nice url's I enjoyed them. I think that Pete's description of boxing day is as close to the mark as you will get.

Nick Good to hear that you survibved the season,as to theHoliday staff party, I have brought in some extra strenght tranquilizers and chain restraints for the [alien] ( just in case he finds the spiked punch ) [:O] Also H&H and their teutonic catering service have graciously offered to help with a new years party. i figure that this way our girls can let their hair down and enjoy themselves. Also having H&H around can and wil augment the security,so along with the good inspector and Mr Doyle and leon wwe should be well bounced for the evening.

Ted Glad to hear that you survived the holiday's as well. Again I agree with youi that a low profile quiet seson is the way to go fer sure.

Now to answer your question on the PCC's. All the cars i have operated and all the non operable one's at the museum do not have the hidden reverser you spoke of. If one misses a switch you can back them up like any other streetcar. On the floor to the right of the operator is a gear shifter. it's a three positon forward reverse and neutral. If one split the overhead switch ( alot of streetrailways used powered overhead frogs above switches in the street ) you would have to get out and drop the pole and then rewwire where you would need it. If this didn;t answer your specific question let me know I can dig further.

dan I alway's liked white Christmas as well. I actually bought Heather a copy of it and the Bells of St Mary's, (two of her favourites). We watch them both at least once over the holidays. I often thought that it was strange to see a ATSF train from Florida as well.Me thinks that the "holleywierd" types shot those bits in California and figured that no one would notice or care.Only we rail buffs would get that I suppose. Od coarse today hollywood hires people to make sure that just those type of details are correct. Difference 50 years makes I suppose.


Well folks I'm going to attempt to read the two errant pages again, and hopefully i'll check in a bit later.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:08 PM
Good Night All!

Leon the Night Man has the bar 'til closing.

Pete My apologies, Mate! Appears as if I neglected to acknowledge your late night Post from last evening! [tdn] My regrets!

Regarding that photo - yes, it is a keeper. I don't have very much left from childhood - actually hardly a thing. Long story, for another place 'n time, certainly not here in the Ether. Nonetheless, having a photo with me and Jack Dempsey AND Casey Stengel of baseball fame do bring back some memories.

Rates at the Second National Bank of Mentor Village are just a tad different from what one would find at a "conventional" bank. You see, Vito the Hit! is the Bank President, CEO and HMWIC (head man what's in charge). Need I elaborate [?] [swg]

Boris Ring the bell! Drinks on me - Leon serve 'em what they want!

Nite! [zzz]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:41 PM
Evenin' Gents,

Let me chime in here with a Hollywood train flick recommendation: Narrow Margin (1990) with Gene Hackman and Anne Archer.

Unlike so many of Hollywood's efforts to screw up the works, this one has some extremely accurate shots of VIA Rail's "Canadian" on its westbound trip to Vancouver, BC throught he Canadian Rockies. Well worth viewing and one of my all time favorites. (It helps of course to like Gene Hackman, which we do 'round here ... [swg])

Check out this URL for additional info: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0100224/

Pete Email received - thanx! New list to be Posted in the 'morrow. [swg]

Later!

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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:05 PM
Hi again Tom and th' gang, I'll have a coca-cola for now, maybe even to go, because I'm just stepping in to answer Pete's question.

Danger Lights is a 1930 B/W movie filmed in Miles City, Montana and Chicago, Illinois. It features live steam action of the Milwaukee Railroad. The sound is natural and not from any special effects studio. You can see some 4-6-2s, 4-6-4s, and 2-8-2s. It also features a tug of war between two whistle screaming, bell clanging, and drivers spinning steamers (I would pay to see THAT at an IMAX theatre). Of course there's the human side of the story of two men fighting for the love of a woman.

VHS copies of the movie can be found online. Just to go google.com and type in Danger Lights. I taped my copy from one of the classic movie channels on cable years and years ago. Here's a link that has the names of the cast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Lights

Take care,

Russell

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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:16 PM
Hi Tom

Just a quick one to answer RUSSELL.

I am going for 3 weeks.

" Danger Lights" sounds a great movie in which year was it made [?] PETE>
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:48 PM
Hello Tom and all again. Another Miller Lite and a round of preferred poison on me.

Doug, nice info on the Rail Classics articles. The one on cabooses was interesting. On the Santa Fe, they were referred to as waycars. In the movie “Danger Lights,” you can see a wrecking crane in action. For those who don’t know what movie I’m referring to, “Danger Lights” features live steam and actual sounds of the Milwaukee Road. Nothing “studio” produced. BTW the story is about a young crewman who was fired from another part of the road, and then gets reinstated, with seniority intact, by the roundhouse super, who plans to marry a beautiful young girl, but the young crewman falls in love with her too. I don’t want to give the farm away on this movie, but if y’all get a chance to see it, you won’t be disappointed.

Pete, how long are you going to be in your home land?

Tom, seems like my little diddie has quirked your interest in so to modify it. Hmmmm…a train and a bedroom. Mayyyybe there is or isn’t something to that. Just a parody that is not to be taken seriously. There are more things in life to worry about, don’t ya agree?

Gotta go for now,

Russell
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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of a winter ale if you have one please.

TED I believe the tradition of giving gifts on the day after Christmas was started in Medeval times. When Royalty gave boxed gifts to their workers, it is said that this was taken up by others to reward their workers for a years good service. Needless to say this practice had long since finished by the time I had started work[sigh].Perhaps though this was changed into the present Bank-Holiday we have in the U.K.

BK. Thanks for the New Year wishes look forward to your posts in the New Year[tup].

Good to see you RUSSELL. [tup]. Thanks for the kind words. It sould be a fairly short visit to the old land( if I dont succumb to severe Batham,s intake[;)]) I am hoping to post some photos and be able to call in the bar.If the Chiefs do make the play-offs no doubt the bride will insist on finding a all night bar to watch them[yeah].Liked the poem[tup].

TOM Glad ROB won the naming contest and the jar wont be called a Pete.

Thanks for the Nostalgia and The Gazette wonderful [tup]I wonder whatever happened to the Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle did Holga and Helga frighten them off[?][:-,]

I noticed that I had 100 posts on the 200th page[wow]

I attempted a encore but failed miserably[D)] I'll get the bride to put me right.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:57 PM
Well Hello Again, Trainnut484 Russell - it would seem that the mere mention of placing you into the Legion of the Lost somehow gets your receptors working! [swg]

Good to have you back with us - and we all appreciate the rounds! [tup] Separates the men from the boyz, so to speak. Kinda like in a real bar, eh [?]

Here's the inside scoop regarding the Posts you are viewing this week - they are, for the most part - RERUNS! <yup} just look for the word, ENCORE! and it should be a dead giveaway! [swg] CM3 has been congratulated so many times for his November 2nd induction into the Permanent Order of the Stools that he must be really wondering about just what kind of people he is associating with! [swg] I checked back to see just how many guys had congratulated him more than once - and it's simply amazing! [swg] Reading - something we all should take a bit of time and attention with, wouldn't you agree [?] [swg]

My guess is that the Chiefs are really desperate for all kinds of help to get into the playoffs. That, along with perhaps the finale for the coach makes for a sad close to what promised to be a fantastic year. Just never can tell in the NFL.

That's quite a "sentimental" bit of prose you put before us. Hmmmmm, with a few adjustments, we could make that drinking aboard a train - with a bedroom in reserve - so that all revelry would most definitely be safe 'n sound, with others doing the "driving" and the revelers left to revel! [swg]

Always glad to "see" you, but also sorry that the Emails either haven't gotten through or ....... Anyway, you'll have to let me know if you want to be placed back on the distribution list. There's much to catch up on, as always, 'round this bar 'n grill. [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:34 PM
Hello again Tom and all. Another Miller Lite please and a round of everyone's favorite poison on me. [#offtopic] here. Even though Christmas has come and gone, I thought I would put in this little parody diddie that I've had for a very long time.

This is sung to "We Three Kings of Orient Are.."

"We three clods from Omaha are
Spending Christmas Eve in a car
Drinking, drinking, glasses clinking
Who needs a lousy bar?

Ohh...
Drink to Charlie Drink to Paul
Drink to friends we can't recall
Swerving speeding, signs unheeding
Drink to anything at all

We three clods are feeling no pain
Drunk as skunks with booze on the brain
Senses losing, 'Til we're cruising
Into a wrong way lane


Ohh...
Drink to Melvin. Drink to Fred
Drink to those two trucks ahead
Headlights flashing
Screeching, crashing
Drink till they pronounce us dead

Now before anyone accuses me of promoting drinking and driving, which I'm not, this is just a parody that shoudn't be taken seriously.

I guess that can be called as a disclaimer

Russell
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:11 PM
Hello Tom and gang. I'll have a Miller Lite please. Just checking in to say I'm still alive an' kickin' [:D] This semester is a keeping me hoppin', and even have some stuff to work on from home during the holiday break. I've been peeking in from time to time trying to catch up with the mustard here since my last visit, and It might take a few posts to do so. I thought Tom would list me under the MIA section in the MENTOR VILLAGE paper [:(] It's nice to see the nostalgia pieces back.

Pete, I see you lurking around here. Sorry that you'll be leaving us. Our loss is Britain's gain. I always enjoyed your thoughtful and insightful posts.

I'm a little confused about CM3's permanent stool induction [%-)]. I thought that happened long time ago. If it's now, congratulations CM3!

Ted, glad to see you're on the track to recovery.

Congrats to you, Doug, on winning the 200th page contest

That's about it for now. I'll skin back a few or so pages to get up to speed.

Take care,

Russell



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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:59 PM
Good Afternoon!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .


Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 127)

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O)

Headquarters: Baltimore, MD

Mileage in 1950: 10,000

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 491

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 59,152 Passenger cars – 654

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City, NJ (New York)-Baltimore, MD-Pittsburgh, PA-Chicago
Washington, DC-Point of Rocks, MD
Cumberland, MD-Cincinnati, OH-St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI-Toledo, OH-Cincinnati
Hamilton, OH-Beardstown, IL
Pittsburgh-Buffalo & Rochester, NY
Akron-Cleveland, OH
Midland City, OH-Columbus, OH-Pittsburgh

Passenger trains of note:

Ambassador (Baltimore-Detroit)
Capitol Limited (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)
Cincinnatian (Detroit-Cincinnati; later, Baltimore-Washington-Cincinnati)
Columbian (Washington-Chicago)
Diplomat (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Metropolitan Special (Washington-St. Louis)
National Limited (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Royal Blue (Jersey City-Washington)
Shenandoah (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:49 PM
G'day Gents!

Here's something you may find of interest, which will be Posted again next week:

The Top 15 Contributors to ”Our” Place through Page 200:
(figures in brackets denote number at Page 100)

1st Theodorebear Ted 363 [199] (includes previous cyber names used at ”Our” Place)
2nd trolleyboy Rob 359 [155]
3rd nickinwestwales Nick 264 [120]
4th passengerfan Al 261 [146]
5th West Coast S Dave 120 [71]
6th Gunns Kevin 116 [89]
7th Trainnut484 Russell 115 [83]
8th coalminer3 CM3 103 [37]
9th earlydiesels Dan 100 [73]
10th pwolfe Pete 100 [32]
11th barndad Doug 95 [33]
12th wrwatkins *** 73 [58]
13th CFournier 71 [61]
14th BudKarr 46
15th ftwNSengineer P 37

Proprietor: 1593 [789]

Thanx to all for making this the place to be for Classic Trains information, conversation and good times! [tup][tup][tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:44 PM
G'day!

Somewhat quiet in here today, but thanx to BK we've had some conversation. Appreciate your Epistle. [tup][swg]

BK I think it is time to wind up the pep talk. While it is much appreciated and I know where you are coming from, there are those 'round here who have thinner skins than others. So, le'ts just put that stuff on the back burner, if you please.

Can't imagine uprooting again, and especially at the stage of life I'm in, for new opportunties. Just not at all in the cards for me. However, I thank you very much for what you provided in greater detail within your last Email.

My energy level is directly tied to my interest level. No interest, no energy! Kinda works that way with people as well - no respect, no interaction. Plain and simple kinda guy that I am. [swg] One aspect of this stage of my life that I dearly love is knowing that I can come and go as I please, when I please and with whom I please. Couldn't really do that during my career years, for I was immersed in it - long days and weeks. When home however, a visitor would have never known - NEVER - what I did for a living. Nothing on the walls, in frames or anywhere else to make the connection.

Today, there are "I love me walls" throughout the house, as my bride thinks it is good to display these things of days gone by. They too will be removed, as sufficient time has elapsed for new remembrances - things like TRAINS! [swg]

Really appreciate your support, BK and may I say, you have come a long, long way since we first "met." If one didn't know better, they would have you painted as a real train nut for sure, or at least someone in the "in crowd." [tup]

Hope your 2006 is as happy and rewarding as you will it.

Hey guys! Remember - we are doing ENCORE! Posts - so when you see the word - keep in mind, it has been Posted before! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM
Good Afternoon!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 125)

Santa Fe (AT&SF)

Headquarters: Chicago, Il

Mileage:

1950: 13,074 including subsidiaries
1995: (prior to merger with Burlington Northern): 9,126

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 1,855

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 84,439 Passenger cars: 1,235

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Los Angeles via Kansas City, MO. and La Junta, CO
Emporia, KS-Galveston, TX via Oklahoma City, OK & Ft. Worth & Houston, TX
Emporia, KS-Dalies, NM
Barstow-Richmond, CA
Temple-Farwell, TX
Denver-LaJunta, CO
Albuquerque, NM-El Paso, TX
Dallas-Presidio, TX
Kansas City-Tulsa

Passenger trains of note:

Super Chief I(Chicago-Los Angeles)
El Capitan (Chicago-Los Angeles)
The Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles
Grand Canyon (Chicago-Los Angeles
The Scout (Chicago-Los Angeles)
San Francisco Chief (Chicago-San Francisco, CA)
Texas Chief (Chicago-Houston)
San Diegan (Los Angeles-San Diego
Tulsan (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Chicagoan (Dallas-Kansas City-Chicago)
Golden Gate (Los Angeles-San Francisco)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:19 PM
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Dec 27th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)***
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 3rd (John) – 46
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)***
July 25th (Chris - 51)***
July 30th (Russell – 34)***
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
October 18th (BK – 65) Just added!
December 29th (CM3 – 59) Next up! Friday, January 6th!!

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!

***Names of those in The Legion of the Lost will be dropped in 2006.

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Posted by BudKarr on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:54 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

Time for something hot, with just a dash of something spirited would be nice on this winter’s day. No, you may hold the whipped cream. Ah, let me wander over to the pastry case and make a few selections. My, my, they all look so inviting.

We depart for our trip to Lake Louise tomorrow. The packing is quite the scene to witness. Perhaps we would be better off to ship it all there by air and leave the automobile for just the two of us. <grin>

I have caught up on the review of all postings and commend those of you for sticking with it over the busy days of this holiday season. Captain Tom, you are a task master indeed, but from my vantage point and experiences in life, I prefer your way of doing business. The advantage is we all know what to expect and appreciate having a place at the bar, even for the likes of me. I find this place somewhat compelling and an enjoyable respite from the world away from the ether.

In my browsing I took a look at your other thread and note that no one from here has visited. There just does not seem to be that degree of support I had hoped you would achieve. The numbers are there in terms of those viewing, however, the postings are essentially all yours. It does appear that the successful threads pull in about 10-15% of those viewing as contributors. However, you are correct in your assessment that because of this effort, John, Mike, Don and P have come to the bar. That speaks volumes.

I do not know where you get your perseverance from. If you are interested, I am aware of several organizations who would dearly love to harness your energy and skills. Retirement is a state of mind, as you once mentioned to me in an email, and you appear to be one who is not quite ready to hang it up. The effort you put forth with everything here in the ether and with your model railroads tells quite a story. I would say that the U.S. Coast Guard must still miss you if this is the evidence of your modus operandi from career years. A respite from retirement, now is that not a twist?

Speaking of respites, my organization has contacted me and it seems they are requiring my services for some lengthy international sojourns. I have not made up my mind regarding whether I will return at all. This should prove interesting, as my contract is rather open ended, since I was retired in the first place upon being lured back into the fold.

Having had these weeks away from what I do and with someone who appreciates my company as I do hers, there has been much time to digress about today and tomorrow. We cannot do anything about yesterday, however, I am in control of tomorrow insofar as my comings and goings are concerned. Right now, I am in favor of no more goings. We shall see what develops.

In reviewing the postings of yesterday, I see that some were removed from viewing. Change of heart, or so it appears? For what it is worth, Captain Tom, you have my support. For the individual concerned, your efforts have been very much appreciated, but perhaps you may want to keep in mind that a ship can have only one Master and we all know who that is. In reviewing your birthday watch list, there are many who have some years behind them. Those years represent life’s experiences. Several are military veterans, people who understand structure and the need for it. I think you made a wise move in retracting your postings and I look forward to reading future efforts from you, once we emerge from this period of absence and relative quiet.

Speaking of birthday watch list – please add my name and birth date of October 18, 1940.

Captain Tom, I have sent off some photographs by email and request that you use any or all as you see fit. Sorry, but personal imagery will not be part of my repertoire here in the ether. Also feel free to post again anything of mine that you feel will keep the bar up and running. Thank you.

I look forward to be back amongst you after the New Year begins and wish one and all the best in 2006.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:03 AM
Good Morning!

A morning chuckle - happens every time that newspaper gets reprinted it gets taken for current news.

Perhaps there is a saying out there somewhere that goes like this, Old news is better than no news, or is it [?]

That Mentor Village Gazette Post was an ENCORE! presentation - as in a repeat! Check the date to ascertain whether this is indeed "news" of the day. [%-)][%-)][%-)]

I see that Ted has perhaps broken his "consecutive Post" record with three in a row. Thanx for the support and effort to keep us "up" on the Forum page! [tup]

Still a bit early to sort them all out - but it appears that there's a nucleus for a follow-up in the next edition of the Gazette regarding the proposed shopping mall. You are most welcome to ship me off an Email text of whatever "article" you'd like me to put together. However, I don't expect we will be seeing the next edition until mid-2006.

A new list of "regulars" is right around the corner, and there will be several dropped from it for the start of 2006. In response to an Email inquiry, I have no intention of rescinding any "awards," such as entry in the Order of the Stools. Once "in," always in. However, becoming a member of the Legion of the Lost equates to losing the status as "regular."

One has to earn the way back to a place at the bar 'round here. [tup] And as always, those who engage in "one way" Postings will not - repeat - not be acknowledged by moi. What's the point [?] They Post - we read - some respond - they don't. BS! [tdn]

I will continue on with the Posting of ENCORE! pieces until Monday, January 2nd. Of course, we are CLOSED on New Year's Day - and - there will be NO Sunday Photo Posting! until January 8th.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:21 AM
Oh by the way, consider all of the above an ENCORE. LOL
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:15 AM
Aha, and you thought I missed the new nomenclature of the "Pickled Pig's Feet Jar." Certainly not and "Coal Scuttle" is duly noted and entered into the official archives hence forth. Also, the rumor of a shopping mall now seems to be raising its' ugly head again. The local "fish wrap" seems to confirm what we all have feared, alas, these many weeks.[V] Well, before the ground is broken, perhaps a word from the "other side" should be heard. I have engaged the law offices of Fetchum, Feinem, Gouger and Bleeders for a consultation on the legalities involved regarding this tract of land. There are environmental considerations that have not been addressed to date. Boris' black turnip and sleeze bean patch being not the least of these.[:(!] Again, happy rails until further developments.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:45 AM
G'mornin' all you Santa's Helpers. Tom, a "regular" Prune Danish and cuppa Twinning's Earl Grey, please. Entirely too much rich foods lately and I need to trim down to "staff party" weight. CM3 congratulations on the ocassion of your acceptance into "The Permanent Order of the Stools." No doubt you are aware of the gravity this position entails. Yes, Members must engage their seat belts ("buckle up") so as to avoid setting a bad example for guests and tourists while engaging in social libations.[:O] Nick [C=:-)] old Chum, glad you survived the Yule gigs unscathed. Quite right, there is nothing so contagious as a Toddler's euphoria awaiting the arrival of Jolly Saint Nickolas.[^] Pete, on Boxing Day, who received the gifts from the Royal Family? Were they chosen by random chance? That seems to be a fine tradition but in curious context with "Boxing Day." Doug, I neglected to mention the Travelogue "Globe Trekker" was centered on China.[:I] That will teach me to watch T.V. and type, 'til next time.[swg]

Ah, the venerable B & O, just can't get enpugh of that "classic" livery of blues, gray, gold and black. The real color of "Classic" passenger trains was on the standard and smooth sides variety. Stainless, fluted sides cars were rather barren of color but nonetheless sported a beauty of their own. Good to see rrwatkins *** peek around the corner after a conspicuous absence.[tup] I hope all is well in "Big D" and the R.D.C.s are "up and at 'em." Retirement at first seems intimidating and uncertain but finally, when the concept of "manana" sinks in, all will be well and peace restored.[^] Okay Boris, there are things I must do today and none of these include wet nursing [alien] Staff. G'day to all and happy rails.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:30 AM
And the Winnah is:

Here are the recommendations for “names” for the Pickled Pigs Feet jar of quarters for “Herr Wurlitzer, der Juke!”

The idea is to provide a name for the jar that reflects its primary donor, which has been “hands down” coalminer CM3.

Rob - Coal Scuttle

Doug - Pete or PJ
Ted - CM3's Pig in a Poke, or CM3's Ham Hock
Pete - Trotter Coffer

Thanx for participating! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:19 AM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. I, Number 1 . . . . . . . . Wednesday, November 17, 2005 . . . . . . . . . Free


coalminer3 CM3 Inducted into the PERMANENT ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Nov 17th, Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk

Coalminer3 CM3 was inducted into the Permanent Order of the Stools on Nov 2nd . A society of esteemed customers of the Village’s bar and grill, known as ”Our” Place located near the junction of CP’s freight yard, they have no redeeming qualities other than their affection (affliction) for Classic Trains.

Following an announcement made by the Selection Committee, the induction ceremony was held in the Pool Room of the bar and was attended by the “usual lineup” of Mentor Village’s finest citizens. Mayor I. M. Running along with Chief of the Constabulary Book M. Dano were overheard commenting, “Who is this guy?” as they lined up at the bar for the complimentary drinks.

Coalminer3 CM3 was unavailable for comment, although his press representative did authorized the following statement: “This is a day, that will!”

A fight soon erupted between the track gangs of the CN, CP and Can-Am railroads, quickly broken up by the Constabulary, under the supervision of Inspector Clueless. Order was quickly restored and the room was turned over to the not-so-regular meeting of the Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle. (More on page 14.)


Shopping mall proposed for Mentor Village

By: Taura Loura Goldfarb

A shopping mall has been proposed for Mentor Village in the undeveloped area located between ”Our” Place and The Coffee Shop. Backed by Cheatham & Steele, Bankers and Malefactor’s Arus, the development is expected to win approval by the Village Board of Aldermen when they next convene. The date has not been established.

Several of the Village’s business owners are in favor of the plan and expect to occupy the prime locations. These include: Ulfoncle Gilot’s Tobacco Shop - Boogaloo Payne’s Music Emporium - Daury Freese, The Ice Cream Parlour - Ginger Snap’s Cookie Place - Harmut Broghammer’s Pharmacy - John Outhouse, The Bath Store - Love Lovelace’s Female Fashions - Plato Papps Men’s Wear and Somchit Inthisack’s Fine Furniture.

EDITORIAL

Mentor Village commemorated Veterans/Remembrance Day through a series of activities, most notably those undertaken over at the local distillery bar and grill, known as ”Our” Place. Friends and fans of the railroads gathered to listen to tales from the war years. Perhaps the highlight was the presentation of 9 WWII rail related advertisements provided by the Proprietor, Siberianmo.

We endorse activities of this nature in our village and commend the participants from taking a day of from their debauchery, madness, and civil disobedience. The local Constabulary is pleased as well.

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Wanted!

COMIX

From the Bumper:

4 Out of 3 People
Have Trouble With Fractions

Impotence . .
Nature’s way of saying “No hard feelings!”

Hang up
and drive!


Enjoy (again)!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:12 AM


TUESDAY’S INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Good Morning! Join us in a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our specially prepared <light> breakfasts! [tup] [swg]

ENCORE! Daily Wisdom:

Marry a woman with brains enough for two and you’ll come out even.


Info for the Day:

(1) repeatBirthday Bash for CM3 set for Friday, January 6th!

(2) repeatI suspect this week will be rather light insofar as patrons are concerned, so many of my Posts will be ENCORE! pieces. Enjoy! For barndad Doug – passengerfan Al and trolleyboy Rob recommend you go with ENCORE! pieces and “save” your newer work until January 2nd.

(3) The next Sunday Photo Posting Day! is January 8th.

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 00:17:17 (202) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 00:32:17 (202) Birthday Watch List!

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 07:32:30 (202) Reflective Post

(4) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 09:29:25 (202) Movie comments, etc.

(5) wanswheel Mike Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 10:56:38 (202) Boxing, URLs, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 11:11:24 (202) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 11:19:18 (202) ENCORE! – Fallen Flag – D&H

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 14:55:51 (202) ENCORE! – Fallen FLAG – UP)

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 18:35:11 (202) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 19:27:13 (202) ENCORE! – Nostalgia – B&O Strata Dome

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 20:57:30 (202) He’s baaaaaaack!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 21:56:33 (202) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 22:28:31 (202) Inclusive Post, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



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Posted by pwolfe on Monday, December 26, 2005 10:28 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

Hope every one had a good Christmas. Good Christmas thoughts thanks TED, DAN and TOM ours was pretty quiet but we didnt see any of the snow Tom saw.

WANSWHEELMIKE Thanks for the Jack Dempsey info and the great links [tup]. I read recently that Boxing Day got it name when Royalty gave out gifts on that day. Although in the U.K. it became and still is one of main sporting days of the year.

EARLYDIESELS DAN You are so right about railways in movies. I remember an early James Bond film in which he leaves Eastern Europe en-route to Paris by train On the way his train is shown being hauled by British Railways Jubilee and Royal Scot 4-6-0 class locos and this was before the Channel Tunnel was built [%-)]. On other films which involve train travel, when they show the locomotive, it is very often a different one each time, sometimes a loco which would be very rare for the line the film is showing. I think film makers do a bit better nowadays though.

Hi NICK just seen your post. Glad to see you back and what a great set of songs [tup]

TOM Thanks for the Christmas RR travel and the Encores, I can hardly believe it was nearly 80 pages ago that I first read about the floodlights on the B&O train [wow].
That must be a wonderful photo to have with you and Jack Dempsey. A great boxer. Many years ago when B.B.C. radio used to stop transmitting at night. they used to have special broadcasts for the Championship fights in the 50s and 60s often at 2 or 3 in the morning in the U.K. which many people would stay up to listen to them. A different age indeed.
By the way TOM what is the exchange rate at the Second National Bank Of Mentor Village[?][:)]. PETE>
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 26, 2005 9:56 PM
Evenin! Gents!

Well, Ted visited twice this day and apparently Nick has returned from his get-away, so all' well with the world! [tup]

Of course the bar is OPEN, why in the world do you think I'm HERE [?] Better let me have a bit of that stuff you're drinkin' so that I can share your wave length, Sir Nick! [swg]

Staff Party! whenever you'd like - perhaps we should wait for the return of Chandler Rob, just to make it complete. [tup]. But we can give it a head start, just keep 'er goin' until our Chandler makes it back. [yeah]

The bar belongs to Leon the Night Man, so ring the bell, Boris, this round is on me!

Expect more of the same through the week, Gents, as the ENCORE! pieces continue. So don't be shy those of you who have Posted some extra-good stuff in the past - dig it up and Post it once more time.

Happy to know that Christmas has been jujst what you have hoped for, one and all. For each of us this time of year can be the most stressful or blissful. It can be a time for reflection and a time for giving. As I grow older I have learned that it is far better to receive than to give! [swg] Whatever works! <grin>

Later! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, December 26, 2005 8:57 PM
Happy Christmas one and all (Tiny Tim,if memory serves)-Well I do hope Santa had a little something for each and every one of us-whilst I too abhor the comercial aspects of the festive season there is something very pleasing about the choosing,giving & receiving of gifts amongst one`s loved ones.
Am happy to report that small daughter has spent the last week 2 inches off the ground and slightly blurry at the edges with excitement-Her other granny & grandpa plus 6 out of 8 aunties & uncles for the week then collect auntie Sarah from the airport on the way home-Oh to be 5 years old again......[^]
Right,[4:-)]TOM-Assuming the bar is open again,lets start the staff party now-that should give us all time to recover before new years eve rears it`s ugly head.
O.K-If you could put a crate of Staropramen within easy reach and dig out that bottle of 150 % proof Jamaican rum from behind the till we can get started-I`ll go and give the Wurlitzer a tickle,got a bit of a 60`s head on tonight having just played to a roomfull of demented rugby players & the like up in Dodge city (Cardigan) so how about-Satisfaction,Get off my cloud,Paint it black,She loves you,Hard days night,My generation,Stay with me,See Emily play,Jumpin` Jack Flash,Gimme shelter--
-think I`d better go and sit outside for a while,things seem to be moving around a bit ..back later,nick[C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 26, 2005 7:27 PM
Good Evening!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956 (previously Posted on 127)


Thrilled travelers tell us “There’s nothing like the view from B&O’s STRATA-DOME” ….. Route your passengers via B&O and they’ll sing your praises too

Passengers traveling in a B&O Strata-Dome marvel at the thrilling panorama and natural beauty of the ever-changing scenery.

FLOODLIGHTS AT NIGHT

Powerful floodlight beams provide a novel view of the landscape after dark.

This exclusive B&O service between Washington and Chicago is offered at no charge!

Strata-Dome Dieseliners between

CHICAGO – AKRON – PITTSBURGH – WASHINGTON

The Capitol Limited (All Pullman) – The Columbia (Deluxe-Coach) – The Shenandoah* (Pullman and Coach)

THROUGH SERVICE TO AND FROM BALTIMORE, WILMINGTON, PHILADELPHIA AND NEW YORK.

*On the Shenandoah, Strata-Dome is operated on alternate dates. Available only to Pullman passengers on the Shenandoah.

BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 26, 2005 6:35 PM
Wow, Deleware Hudson and Union Pacific on one page. Hi Tom, I'll have a Crown and soda if you please. Mike, lots of nostalgia on "name" trains and personaities of the 30s thru 50s. The Dempsey piece certainly falls into line with "Boxing Day" in the U.K. and Canada. There was a time (as a kid) I never missed "Saturday Night at the Fights" on N.B.C. radio "live." The "fight game" fell into other "mob" enterprises and I lost all interest. Speaking of personalities, I do recall riding the same train as Ella Firzgerald once out of Chicago. She never left her compartment with her several Toy Poodles before I detrained in Kansas City. Really, you never knew who you might run into at major train stations even in the 1950s. I met Robert Mitchem and Jerry Lewis at B/W/I on different ocassions too. Well, thanks for sharing that with us. Dan, glad you had a nice, if uneventful, Christmas. I'm convinced those quiet moments are just as touching as any others can be. Oh, on the movie sets, there is little attention payed to accuracy except by a handful of Directors. That seems to be changing for the better lately but there is a long way to go. Doug, so old Chi Town "broke the bank," eh? I always booked my trips through Chicago rather than St Louis because I really love that City. More than once I arrived home "a day late and a dollar short."[:O] Right now, I'm viewing the Travel Channel's "Globe Trekker." The Hostess is traveling a lot by trains and this confirms the validity of much that has been written on their System. From China to Siberia, there is a gauge change and they literally hoist the cars up and change the trucks (boggies) from underneath. [#oops]I just got a call and my driving assistance is needed. Hopefully, I will be back on-line early tomorrow. Happy rails.

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