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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 2, 2006 9:24 AM
Good morning everyone. Tom, I'll try one of those light breakfasts. I am partial to biscuits and gravy with orange juice and a bottomless cup of coffee. Hope everyone had a great beginning to 2006. We sat around and watched videos--mostly about the 3 foot guage Rio Grande lines. I'm wanting to go out there so bad I could taste it. My regular fireman, who I am teaching to run, brought some more books about those lines for me to read over the winter. Included are 2 more of John Norwood's books. I highly recommend his works for anyone interested in the Rio Grande NG.
As I was reading page 208 to catch up, the wife came into the den to see what I was laughing at. She read some of the latest village gazette over my shoulder and both of us were hysterical. Who would have thought that Mentor Village was such a happening place?
Theodorebear, sent you an email with info for the book. Waiting on your response.
Noticed on Christmas, BNSF did'nt run any trains. Yesterday, they made up for it. They were running trains closer than a block and the crossing just below the house was always busy. 4 coal loads followed each other with vehicle trains intermixed from both directions. We live a block from the crossing before the junction where the Thayer sub turns south and the Cuba sub goes east. Most traffic is on the Thayer North sub.
Well, I'll dive into the b&g and wait to see who comes in so I'm thru babbling now for while. Have to get the notebook out to try to get tickets for the exciting lineup of movies coming to town, too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 2, 2006 8:19 AM
%#*$%!, Everything just went "hay wire." I'll be back after I've composed my wits and a hour or so in the Rat's Patoot Room. Hope this isn't a bad omen for 2006. See you a.s.a.p. Theodorebear.[:(!]
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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, January 2, 2006 1:27 AM
Happy New Years Tom and the gang.. Lift a glass (or two) of your chosen spirits to 2006 and continued good fourtune to "Our Place"

Kadoo's on the Encore and the 2005 retrospective, a tear welted thinking back to the early days Tom.

Keeping to a New Years theme, one upon a time one could arrive at the Rose Parade via rail, in this day of freeways and live televised coverage we tend to loose sight of how important rail was for civic events.

All the major carriers in Southern California provided special "Rose" trains. The Santa Fe had the most direct routing via the second subdivision which discharged passengers a mere one block from the parade route, typically all available chair cars would be placed into service with the equiptment laying over at Lamanda Park awaiting the return trip. Any type of power could be found from Mikes to Northerns to diesel power commandeered from the freight pool.

Union Pacific served Pasadena via a branch line,typically they assigned diesel power, usueually switchers assigned to LAUPT , thus SW, Baldwin, Alco could be spotted in unusual assignments, while 0-6-0's would be maintained a Union Station as a boiler source when the train was stored. Heavy weight equiptment was prominate on these specials, Pullmans and diners were retained for overnight accomditions for VIP's also a LAUP, often the three roads would combine these varied consits for routing out of Los Angeles.

The prime provider was the Pacific Electric, who's line ran down Colorado Blvd. PE was taxed to provided equiptment as the start of racing season severly impacted car availibility. With Colorado closed, PE specials ran via the Oak Knoll Line to South Pasadena. This was the service in which exotic equiptment such as wooden tens and eight fifities, long placed into storage and only brought out during crunch times could be observed until the late forties when they were purged.

Equiptment from the catalina Steamships specials ventured in parade service, where their baggage capacity was much appreciated and their load capacity more then made up for the difficulities in operating them on the Northern District.

Box motors moved trains of heavy weight equiptment for parent SP to the parade, this was also the season in which horse cars were also transiting making for a busy division when normal traffic is also considered. The double main along Huntington Drive would be restricted to single track opertation with the outbound main restricted to car storage unitl the end of the festivities.
In the early days PE WAS the float, prior to WWI PE would bedeck a trolley in flowers and other adornments for the pleasure of the crowd.and gain some good PR, all without spooking the horses in the parade ( SP attempted a similar parade appearence, but with steam, much to the dismay of city fathers and parade orgiziners).
The final parade trains occured on the Santa Fe in 1986, shortly thereafter the line was abandoned and sold to the county for light rail. SP also contributed some equiptment to the event. A prestine set of FP45's and the business car fleet with some private equiptment performed the honors for the last time.
PE exited the Pasadena area in September and October 1951 when the Oak Knoll and Pasadena line were abandoned, the tracks on Colorado were removed and the era of by trolley to the parade passed into a fond memory,
UP tore out the Pasadena Branch in 1964, by then all had forgotten of the days when one could travel to the parade by rail, a little known history of Southern California.

Dave
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Posted by jlampke on Monday, January 2, 2006 1:22 AM
Mornin' Tom. I'll slip this in through the slot in the door for now...... If I had remembered that Our Place was to be closed Sunday, I would've waited, but having typed it, I don't want to lose it. (With the joint closed, how does one go about ordering drinks?)
Don; Interesting info on the F's. Lots to memorize. Just a matter of exposure and familiarity over time, I suppose.
I went to post last night, but hit the wrong key when editing and lost it all. Called it a night in disgust with my mistake. [oops] [banghead] [sigh] My comments tend to be shorter when typing something for the second time. Such is the case tonight.
BK; Good post; the info on the BESA steamers. Thanks. [tup] Like you (per your comment, page 200), I'm picking up a lot here. Railroads I didn't even know existed, types of engines and passenger cars, etc. How about "Railroads and Their Equipment for Dummies"? Al, Nick, Rob, Tom & Pete could make it a joint venture.
Tom; Items on Western US railroads tend more to catch my eye, being from the West. Looking at the Fallen Flags item, UP (passenger ops) you posted on page 202, I was surprised to see they still rostered 29 steam locomotives as late as '63. I see also that principal lines added as of '96 lists Salt Lake City - Oakland via Sacramento. I assume that is the Donner Pass line. I have also heard that the tracks were removed from that line in the late '90's. [:(] Is that true? [?]
I'll have to agree with BK's observation that the USCG misses you, given your M.O. as demonstrated by the effort put into Our Place.
The Birthday Watch List is a good idea. [tup]
I too, don't post ship's pictures, awards, etc., at home. I've always joked that if any type of mariner ever came around to see any of my daughters what he'd see is the business end of one of my guns.....
Russell; On your recommendation, I'll look for Danger Lights next time I'm looking for movies on-line. Sounds good. Thanks.
I thought some of the scenes in "Under Siege 2" were pretty cool. Haven't seen "Tough Guys" yet.
The Eugene area, Lane County, is home. Pretty Liberal though... I hear you. I wonder how that came to pass? Some of my friends from Portland call it "The Peoples Republic of Eugene".
Ted; As cities go, Portland is a nice place. They like the Navy there, so to speak, and it is still, 40 years after the visit you described, a popular liberty port. If I had to live in a city, Portland would do. I asked Doyle M. one day to what degree the city involved themselves with the operation of 4449 & 700. He said it's kind of "You don't bother us and we won't bother you". The city holds title to all three of the steamers at the roundhouse, but that's the extent of their involvement.
Tom; Interesting story about your dad's WW2 experiences. I sure envy those guys. I said that to an older guy about 20 years ago and he said to forget it kid, you're living in the best of times now. Heartening, but I want the excitement. Good or bad, I go for the adrenalin rush every time. I was in the Philippines at Subic Bay Naval Base in 6-91 when Mt. Pinatubo erupted. A lot of people, most, were pretty freaked out. I was stoked. In my view, this was history being made, and I was there. I was actually disappointed by the lack of excitement at sea in the Persian Gulf during the first Gulf War earlier that year.
Rob; WW2 Naval History is one of my favorite topics. Pacific Theater especially.
The USS Mississinewa was sunk by a Japanese sub in '44 in Ulithi. It had fuel oil for other ships of the fleet in it's cargo tanks when it went down. The Navy left it as it was. 50 or so years later, the oil started coming up as the cargo tanks rusted away. A few years ago the Navy recovered the oil from the sunken ship. We went there to drop off supplies for that operation. The rusted and collapsed remains of some of the WW2 built piers are still there. I didn't have a lot of time to look around, but it was still an interesting trip.
RR; Welcome aboard!! [#welcome] Quite a task, reading every page since the beginning. I get 10 pages behind and it's overwhelming.
Well, I was pleased to see the volume of posts slow down these last few days. I might actually catch up here. I took off a little early today and went to the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. [wow] VERY impressive. [tup] Those guys have spent many years putting that layout together. [8D] There are several different layouts there, but it's mostly N, HO and O (2- & 3-rail).
I took some pictures using a borrowed digital camera. Was going to post them, but they are blurry. [banghead] I'm going to give it another try in a couple weeks with a different digital camera.

Well boyz, Happy New Year to all of you.

John [zzz] [zzz]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 2, 2006 12:47 AM
. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .


Vol. II, Number 1 . . . . . . . . Monday, January 2nd, 2006 . . . . . . . . . Free


Mentor Village Bank Under Investigation

Jan 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Ima Crook

The former First National Bank of Mentor Village recently placed under new management as a result of a hostile takeover has been placed under the scrutiny of the Can-Am County Office of the Special Prosecutor (CACOSP) for alleged violations of the Truth in Lending Statutes.

Known today as the Second National Bank of Mentor Village a spokesman offered this, “You ain’t got nuttin’ on us, rat fink, Village idiots!” The bank’s President, CEO and HMWIC (head man what’s in charge), Vitorrio Grammarian was unavailable for comment. The law firm of Seeno, Hearno and Speakno, held a brief news conference at which their spokesman proffered, “Vito the Hit! has embarked upon a respectable business pursuit which has no bearing on unfortunate and largely regrettable past encounters with the law. It is patently unfair, immoral and just not nice to castigate this upcoming pillar of our community. Should it come to the attention of the boss that any of youse are responsible for making slanderous and otherwise derogatory comments about his endeavors, well for shame on youse all.”

Specifics regarding any actual charges have been withheld pending the formation and findings of the CACOSP Grand Jury.


Mentor Village Emporium slated for Grand Re-opening

Jan 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Pop N. Corn

A Mentor Village historic landmark and former community gathering place is scheduled for re-opening on January 9th. A gala celebration is being planned for the once majestic theatre, home to vaudeville acts and silent movies. Closed since 1985, the Emporium has undergone a massive rehabilitation and modernization effort which will bring the theatre into the 21st century.

Known amongst the older residents of Mentor Village as “the balcony where I learned to use one hand,” an overflow crowd is expected on opening night. Mentor Village and Can-Am County “Who’s Who” are expected to attend with formal attire the anticipated mode of dress. Balcony seating will be restricted to those attendees who have received their post card notifications as a result of last month’s drawing for opening night seats. The answers to the five drawing questions are: 14 – Yes – D – No & 33.

While details for the first showing are expected to be released shortly, at press time we have been informed that double feature movies will be presented on opening night and on Sundays until further notice. In addition, a live stage show will be included in between the films for the opening night gala.

Theatre Manager, Drew D. Kurtain, announced that there will be a series of Friday night promotions, to include wall plate commemoratives in the NASCAR, Motorcycle Rodeo, and Female Mud Wrestling themes. They will be limited to the first 500 patrons each night.

Mentor Village Mayor, I. M. Running, signed a Proclamation making January 9th, movie night in Mentor Village. Residents showing a paid real estate or personal property tax receipt at the box office, will be entitled to a small soft drink and popcorn upon purchase of a ticket.

General Weakness, of the Home Guard, has indicated that a color guard will be present for the opening ceremonies, replete with colors from Canada, Great Britain and the U.S. The military band will be under the direction of Major Misty Beat for the playing of the three national anthems.


Mentor Village Shopping Mall plans on hold

Jan 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Hilda Climb (with a contribution from Bob Farkus – pronounced, Bobfarkus)

The law firm of Fetchum, Feinem, Gouger and Bleeders has been engaged for a consultation on the legalities involved regarding the tract of land planned for development of the Mentor Village Shopping Mall. Environmental concerns were brought forth upon the discovery of plans to destroy the only known habitat for the endangered and extremely rare black turnip and sleaze bean patch.

As reported in this newspaper on November 17th, a consortium of respected business owners have spearheaded the effort to develop the Smoggy, Foggy Bottom Bottoms located between the bar known as ”Our” Place and a local coffee shop called the, Coffee Shop. When it became apparent that the Second National Bank of Mentor Village was tied to the financing arrangement, a demand for public inquiry was lodged with the Office of the Constabulary. A local villager offered, “We just cannot have this in our comfortable little town. Why what would Texas Chili Day be around here without black turnip and sleaze bean dip? We have traditions to uphold, you know! Said another, “Just who is this “Vito the Hit!” anyway? We don’t even have a baseball team!

And, late breaking news just in:

From a reliable source, Eddie, Wrong Side of the Tracks, Vito's #1 stool pigeon. It seems that the debate about whether or not to build the shopping mall has taken another strange twist.

Hilda and Helga, those two Teutonic wonders, have applied for a license to open a Catering and Massage Parlour where the mall is supposed to be constructed. They purchased three old trailers, rehabilitated them with the financial backing of the Second National Bank of Mentor Village, and plan to open within the month. Terms of the contract were unknown but it's said that Vito and his "Executives" always get the red carpet treatment.

The Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle are said to be very displeased with this turn of events, feeling that such sleaze should not be allowed in our village. In order to gain public support and funding for their cause the LPM&KC are said to be canvassing door to door, and selling in house demonstrations of their wares.

Meanwhile, H&H have been keeping a low profile, donating time and food to the various service clubs in the village. Stay tuned as the Thlot, Pickens! (late breaking news provided by on scene reporter, T. B. Ontario, pronounced, Trolleyboy.)


Who Bound the Rug Smuggler Sleuths?

Jan 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Nota Chance

In yet another budding scandal, investigators assigned to the inquiry involving allegations of rug smuggling into the area by airship were found bound, blathering and befuddled in a field adjacent to the area earmarked for shopping center development.

The names and descriptions of the officers were withheld. A spokesman for the Office of the Constabulary offered, “Blokes bound, blathering and befuddled are blatant acts that will meet with countermeasures heretofore unseen in Mentor Village.” Further elaboration was not provided.

The ongoing investigations are being overseen by Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator and their respective teams of sleuths.

It has been reported by an anonymous source that one victim was reported to have said, “He didn’t even tell me his name!” The local chapter of Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle have offered their services for the recovery and rehabilitation of the victims.


EDITORIAL

We have trouble, big trouble spelled with a capital T right here in Mentor Village! Suddenly, as if stealing through the night, we have been descended upon by an ilk unfamiliar and unwelcome in our community.

First it was the Pizza Night at the bar known as ”Our” Place then came the arrival of an Airship terminal (the old Quonset hut down by the turkey shoot range) – followed by public events such as Oktoberfest with dancing and music along with other displays of personal contact. Now we have scandals abounding! Our very own black turnip and sleaze patch destined for destruction – reports of abhorrent acts upon our investigators and a bank with the leadership portfolio the equal of Ivan the Terrible.

What’s next for us fellow Villagers? We must stand as one, stand up to this onslaught and demand a return to our ways of tranquility before it’s too late. Yes, we have trouble, big trouble, spelled with a capital T!

Is it time to shine the searchlight into the clouds with the big F for Captain Fudd, defender of the meek, weak and otherwise inept of humankind?


CLASSIFIED Section

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See ladies blouses. Fifty percent off! Call: 852-9312

Holcross pullets. Starting to lay Betty Clayton, Granite 5-6204 (UK).

Wanted—preparer of food. Must be dependable, like the food business, and be willing to get hands dirty. Call: 866-7533

Illiterate? Write today for free help. P.O. Box 1711, Mentor Village

Girl wanted to assist magician in cutting-off-head illusion. Blue Cross and salary. Resume to: P.O. Box 2789, Mentor Village


SPORTS History


Baseball: In the 1932 World Series, Babe Ruth of the New York Yankees “called his shot” as he hit a home run against the Chicago Cubs. The Yanks won the game and series in 4 straight. After the game, the Babe told reports, “Well, I looked out a center field and I pointed. I said, ‘I’m going to hit the next pitched ball right past the flagpole!’ Well, the Good Lord must have been with me.”


Football: Perhaps the “Greatest Game Ever Played” Colts vs. Giants, Dec 28, 1958. With the score tied at 17, in sudden death overtime in the 1958 NFL Championship (before any Super Bowls existed), Baltimore Colts fullback Alan Ameche dove through a hole in the Giants’ defensive line to score in sudden-death overtime to win the Championship. A few players of note in the finale for the Giants: Frank Gifford, Pat Summerall and Charlie Conerly. For the Colts: Johnny Unitas, Steve Myhra and Alan Ameche. Both teams had veritable all-star caliber players.


Hockey New York Rangers Win Stanley Cup: May 25, 1994

The New York Rangers won hockey’s top prize, the Stanley Cup, in 1940. But during the next half-century, the team came up empty-handed year after year.

During the 1993-94 regular season, the Rangers finished with the best record in the NHL, 52-24-8 and went on to beat the New York Islanders in 4 games, the Washington Capitals 4 games to 1, the New Jersey Devils in 4 games and the Vancouver Canucks 4 games to 1 for the Cup. Mike Keenan was the winning coach and Mark Messier the Rangers Captain.

Soccer France Wins World Cup on Home Soil: July 12, 1998

The World Cup, invented by a Frenchman named Jules Rimet in 1930, was first won by the French in 1930 and then again in 1998. Playing in front of a capacity crowd against Team Brazil, the French team won in a stunning 3-0 victory resulting in over one million people pouring into the streets of Paris to celebrate. Notables for Brazil: Rivaldo, Denilson, Carlos, Taffarel and Ronaldo. For the French: Peit, Barthez, Desailly, Thuram and Zidane.


COMIX

From the Bumper:

The proctologist called
. . . they found your head. . .

Everyone has a photographic memory
. . . some just don’t have any film.

Save your breath . . .
You’ll need it to blow up your date.


ADULT LEARNING

WINTER CLASSES FOR MEN at the Mentor Village ADULT LEARNING CENTER
REGISTRATION MUST BE COMPLETED BY Monday, January 8th, 2006

NOTE: DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIFFICULTY LEVEL
OF THEIR CONTENTS, CLASS SIZES WILL BE LIMITED TO 8 PARTICIPANTS MAXIMUM.



Class 1
How To Fill Up The Ice Cube Trays --- Step by Step, with Slide Presentation.
Meets 4 weeks, Monday and Wednesday for 2 hours beginning at 7:00 PM.

Class 2
The Toilet Paper Roll --- Does It Change Itself?
Round Table Discussion.

Meets 2 weeks, Saturday 12:00 for 2 hours.

Class 3
Is It Possible To Urinate Using The Technique Of Lifting The Seat and
Avoiding The Floor, Walls and Nearby Bathtub? --- Group Practice.

Meets 4 weeks, Saturday 10:00 PM for 2 hours.

Class 4
Fundamental Differences Between The Laundry Hamper and The Floor ---
Pictures and Explanatory Graphics.

Meets Saturdays at 2:00 PM for 3 weeks.

Class 5
After Dinner Dishes --- Can They Levitate and Fly Into The Kitchen Sink?
Examples on Video.

Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning
at 7:00 PM

Class 6
Loss Of Identity --- Losing The Remote To Your Significant Other.
Help Line Support and Support Groups.

Meets 4 Weeks, Friday and Sunday 7:00 PM

Class 7
Learning How To Find Things --- Starting With Looking In The Right Places
and Not Turning The House Upside Down While Screaming.

Open Forum.
Monday at 8:00 PM, 2 hours.

Upon completion of any of the above courses,
Diplomas will be issued to the survivors.


THEATRE

Mentor Village Emporium (check local listings for showtimes)

. . . GRAND RE-OPENING - Monday, January 9th: DOUBLE FEATURE: Von Ryan’s Express (1965) starring Frank Sinatra & Trevor Howard - and - The Great Locomotive Chase (1956) starring Jeffrey Hunter, Fess Parker & Slim Pickens.

. . . January 10th thru 14th: Silver Streak (1976) starring Gene Wilder & Richard Pryor.

. . . Sunday, January 15th DOUBLE FEATURE The Iron Horse (1924) SILENT MOVIE starring George O’Brien & Fred Kohler - and - The General(1927) SILENT MOVIE starring Buster Keaton.

. . . January 16th thru 21st: Disaster on the Coastliner (1979-TV) starring Lloyd Bridges, Raymond Burr & Robert Fuller.

. . . Sunday, January 22nd: DOUBLE FEATURE Danger Lights (1930) starring Louis Wolheim, Robert Armstrong & Jean Arthur. - and – Runaway Train (1985) starring Jon Voight, Eric Roberts & Rebecca De Mor Nay.

. . . January 23rd thru 28th: Denver and Rio Grande (1952) starring Edmond O’Brien, Sterling Hayden & Dean Jagger

. . . Sunday, January 29th: DOUBLE FEATURE Narrow Margin (1990) starring Gene Hackman & Anne Archer – and – North by Northwest (1959) starring Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint & James Mason.
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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 2, 2006 12:27 AM



MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]


Good Morning! A holiday Monday for most as we continue our celebration during this legal observance of New Year’s Day. What better way to kick it off than spending some time at ”Our” Place[?] Try our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. You may have noticed that we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board! [tup]


Daily Wisdom

Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) repeat Free 2006 HOOTERS calendar:
click here - http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/12/22/39853.aspx

(2) repeat Friday, January 6th is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) Fergmiester Fergie Posted: 01 Jan 2006, 07:38:53 (208) First Post of 2006!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jan 2006, 08:16:13 (208) New Year’s Day Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jan 2006, 11:40:00 (208) Reminder!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jan 2006, 17:38:22 (208) Ad – Mentor Village Gazette

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 1, 2006 5:38 PM





. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. II, Number 1 . . . . . . . . Monday, January 2nd, 2006 . . . . . . . . . Free



WATCH FOR IT TOMORROW MORNING!



Be sure you are getting the most current information when you log in! Start the New Year smart! [tup]


See y’all in the morning!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 1, 2006 11:40 AM




We are CLOSED today and there will be NO SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING! until January 8th. Posts will be accepted through the mail slots in either set of front doors! However, replies will be far ‘n few between on this New Year’s Day!

We open at 6 AM all time zones on Monday, January 2nd. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]


See y’all on Monday! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 1, 2006 8:16 AM




NEW YEAR’s DAY INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We are CLOSED today and there will be NO SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING! until January 8th. Posts will be accepted through the mail slots in either set of front doors! However, replies will be far ‘n few between on this New Year’s Day!

We open at 6 AM all time zones on Monday, January 2nd. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

If I didn’t’ wake up, I’d still be sleeping. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Free 2006 HOOTERS calendar:
click here - http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/12/22/39853.aspx

(2) Friday, January 6th is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 07:11:40 (207) Saturday Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 07:55:08 (207) Best Wishes!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 10:03: (207) ENCORE! Nostalgia – CN

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 10:37:45 (207) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 11:38:02 (207) ENCORE! from West Coast S

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 13:09:55 (207) ENCORE! from coalminer3

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 13:24:56 (207) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Part I

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 13:36:57 (207) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Part II

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 14:42:25 (207) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Part III

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 15:22:37 (207) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Part IV

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 15:59:41 (207) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) wanswheel Mike Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 16:22:59 (208) ENCORE! We Brought the NYC to its knees

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 16:55:04 (208) etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 18:27:33 (208) Acknowledgments & 2005 finale!

(15) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 19:00:02 (208) Best Wishes! etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by Fergmiester on Sunday, January 1, 2006 7:38 AM
Hey Tom just thought I'd venture in and Wish you and Yours a Very Merry New Year!!!! And if I'd known that there would be this much of a M.E.S.S. I would have brought a shovel. Looks like the patrons had quite a blowout last night or was that Trolley Boy's doing? I've heard he does quite the "Dance Routine" lamp shade and all!

Anyway I've got my own M.E.S.S. to clean up

Later Gents

Fergie

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:00 PM
Hello everyone. Tom, I'll take a very large Margarita on the rocks and some peanuts, please. Been playing catchup and wanted to check in. Our city has a big NYE bash but the wife and I hate crowds so a boring evening at home is on tap.
Been having withdrawals from being on a train. I'm signed up for conductor for the Easter train so that may be my next "fix". Have to have a Safety Committee meeting before then.
Hope everyone has a better 2006 than this past year and also that Our Place rolls merrily along with our regulars dispensing the vast knowledge of railroading of all kinds with the strange wit that seems to permeate the bar.
Be safe and enjoy yourself and check in after the New Year.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:27 PM
Evenin’ Gents!

Just a few words before turning the bar over to Leon the Night Man who will take care of things for the remainder of this year and into the next! [swg]

I was beginning to wonder if anyone, other than me, would be Posting today (during daylight) and am happy to see a couple of others.

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 15:59:41 and 16:22:59


Another fine inclusive Post which is much appreciated! [tup]

Boris is a creation of Nick – he named him and is solely responsible for much of what has followed. I suppose the cloven footed references and other physical descriptions can be attributed to moi. [bow] One day, I’ll try to provide the page numbers for Nick’s descriptions – they are priceless.

I stand corrected: From Mike -
QUOTE: For the record, and according to the record, regardless that Nick invented Boris it was Ted, as I credited him in my post, who "christened" Boris, you who indorsed the name Boris, and Nick who agreed to the name Boris. It's all on page 14.
Thanx, Mike!


Speaking of Nick – nice try! I think we all know what he typed – but the “censor” on these Forums blocked it out. Strangely enough, I have no idea why or what brought it on. [%-)][%-)]

I concur wholeheartedly with what you have to say regarding “Happy Holidays.” However, it has taken on new meaning in this new age we find ourselves in. Sort of like the word, “gay” has an entire new connotation. “Don we now our gay apparel …..” quite probably would be interpreted as someone in “drag” these days! [swg]

Nice way to close out the ENCORE! Posts with your father’s article! [tup][tup][tup] I was wondering which one to select for the finale – but you’ve taken care of that for me.

Happy New Year to you! [tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 16:55:04


You will need the entire day tomorrow to go through all that I Posted this day! [swg]

Hope your New Year’s Eve is a safe one and assuming the duties of “Designated Driver” is a tribute to your character! [tup]


Okay Gents, that’s it for me in 2005! I’ll be back to “work” on Monday, trying to maintain a semblance of order in this cyber bar ‘n grill called, ”Our” Place!

Ring the bell one more time in 2005, Boris the drinks are on me! [tup]

Stay safe one and all.

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:55 PM
I caught a short break from the "doings" at the Legion just a bit ago. Tom, I can't have anything stronger than a soft drink the P.M. [tdn] As "designated driver" for those who find themselves "3 sheets to the wind," I'm sure you understand. I won't have time to catch all the Encores today but they will make for excellent reading tomorrow.[tup] Just want to say hi back to all those who have posted earlier today. Please everyone, be moderate and live to "post" another day.[^] Tom, Rob, Nick and Russell you have mail. Now, I'm really in a ru***o put in a longer night than I want to ponder over. In the bonds, Theodorebear.
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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:22 PM
ENCORE and Go Irish! in Fiesta Bowl

WE BROUGHT THE NYC TO ITS KNEES
How Notre Dame students beat a railroad at its own game
By Joseph MacDonald

During the years 1932-36, I played in the Notre Dame University band, using a trombone I had bought with my earnings as a messenger in the offices of the Central Vermont Railway. The band made two trips to away football games each year; these were medium-length trips, to Cleveland or Pittsburgh or Chicago. We wanted badly to go to New York for the Army game in Yankee Stadium, and in fall 1935 we finally accumulated enough money to go, provided we could get a low enough train fare. It was my senior year, and my last chance
I was vice president of the band, and was delegated to negotiate for a reduced fare with the railroads serving South Bend, Ind. My first stop was the ticket window of the New York Central, where I asked to see a passenger agent. A haughty man came to the window: "What can I do for you, son?"
"I'd like to inquire about a special low fare for the Notre Dame band to go to New York City weekend after next."
"We have no special fares," he replied.
"But it's for the Notre Dame band," I said.
"I don't care who you are." "But there are 100 of us."
"I don't care how many of you there are," he said. "We have no special fares. The fare is twice the one-way fare less 10 percent, $64 round trip, coach. And if you want to go, you'd better tell us which train you want to go on, so we put a couple of extra coaches on for you."
"But why don't you have special fares?"
"Why should we?" he said. "We have the only railroad here."
"You do not have the only railroad here," I reminded him.
"Well, if you want to take the Pennsy's branch train down to Plymouth, and stand on the platform for a couple of hours, and crowd into their train, you're welcome to do so. And if you want to take the Grand Trunk Western here, and take a couple of days to get there, you're welcome to do that. But we have 17 trains a day to New York, and so far as we're concerned, we have the only service here."
I stepped next door to the GTW ticket window, and asked for a passenger agent. I told this man I wanted to inquire about a special low fare for the Notre Dame band to New York. He said, "Come on in."
Inside the office, he asked, "Now, what's this all about?" I told him, including what the New York Central had said about the GTW.
"Oh they did, did they?" he said. "We've always had trouble with the New York Central. We paid half the cost of the track elevation and of this station in South Bend. The name of the station is Union Station, but they persist in calling it New York Central Station. We've tried for years to offer group rates for students, but they've blocked us every time. Now you're looking for a special fare to New York; how would a cent a mile suit you, say, $18 round trip?"
We didn't have $6400 for the NYC, but we did have $1800. So I said, "That's just what we're looking for."
"Well," the GTW agent said, "that's what we would like to offer you. As far as the Grand Trunk Western is concerned, that's what we would be willing to take you to New York and back for. But I don't want to get your hopes up. In order to give an $18 fare, we would have to file a special tariff with the Interstate Commerce Commission. If nobody objects, it will go through. But, if anyone objects, like the New York Central, then the ICC will have a hearing sometime next spring. But to show you that we want to do it, we'll file and see what happens."
The next day, he called me and said that he had told the Pennsy and the NYC about the plan to file a special tariff. The Pennsy had said they didn't care one way or the other. The NYC said they would object. But the GTW went ahead and filed anyway, to show good intentions. But, he said, with the NYC objecting there was no hope of the rate going through.
Well, we in the band were mighty unhappy over the NYC's attitude. If they didn't want to carry us at a reduced rate, that was their business; but we resented having our New York trip prevented by the NYC interfering with the Grand Trunk's special rate.
So we went to the school's authorities, and obtained permission to put some pressure on the New York Central.
In those days, Notre Dame did not allow its students to go away on weekends without parental permission. But each year, one official trip was sponsored to an away football game, on which all students could go without needing special permission. This year, 1935, the trip was to Columbus, Ohio, for the Ohio State game.
For this official student trip to Columbus, a special train had been arranged with the NYC, to load at the campus's powerhouse siding, running past St. Mary's College down to South Bend, then on to Columbus. At Columbus, NYC had trackage rights over Chesapeake & Ohio past the Ohio State stadium, so the Central could deliver us right to the stadium. One thousand students had signed up for the trip; New York Central's regular fare of about $10 was being charged.
I went down to the Pennsylvania Railroad ticket office in South Bend (the railroad had branchline service from South Bend to Plymouth and Logansport, on the old Vandalia route). I asked the agent how he would like to have 1000 passengers for his Saturday morning train to Logansport, to change there to the Pennsy's Chicago-Columbus train.
"Well, we would sure like to have 1000 passengers," he said, "But we would also like to have some notice, since we have only two coaches on that branch train."
I told him to make the arrangements, and that we would confirm the matter to him officially. We then notified the NYC that we were canceling the special train.
Now, the PRR didn't have tracks up to the Notre Dame campus. So we arranged for 20 streetcars to be at the campus at 6 a.m. Saturday. We piled on, and the streetcars went elephant-parade-style down to a point about a block from the PRR station. There, the Pennsy had a special train waiting for us, which they ran straight through to Columbus. Since the PRR didn't have trackage rights past the stadium at Columbus, we paraded 2 miles to the stadium.

A stirring game, and a Central change of heart

That was the year of the "Big Game." Our team was completely baffled by Ohio State's "razzle-dazzle" offense, which resembled a basketball game on the field; Notre Dame tackled everyone but the player with the ball, and Ohio State was ahead 13-0 in a few minutes.
In the second half, Notre Dame came back, scoring a touchdown in the last minutes of the third quarter, but missing the extra point to keep it at 13-6. We got another touchdown with three minutes to play in the fourth quarter, but again missed the extra point--13-12. Then, with 30 seconds left to play, Bill Shakespeare threw a 45-yard pass to Wayne Miller in the end zone to make it 18-13. Ohio State's fans were stunned; not a person moved in the stands for 20 minutes.
Meanwhile, we collected the iron-pipe goal posts and paraded victoriously the 2 miles back to the station. En route, we stopped at a service station and had the goal posts cut into smaller pieces, and we put the pieces on the tender of the Pennsy's engines to transport them back to South Bend.
Monday, I got a call from the Grand Trunk Western passenger agent. He had just had a visit from the New York Central passenger agent, who had wanted to know if the GTW was still interested in the $18 tariff to New York. The NYC was going to join the tariff. "Now," the GTW man said to me, "we realize that if the NYC also gives you an $18 rate, you will likely go New York Central. But the Grand Trunk wants you to know that we want to take you."
Monday afternoon, at band practice, the same high-and-mighty NYC passenger agent visited us. "Boys," he said, "we didn't realize that you took this so seriously. We're sorry, and we want to make amends. We're going to give you a special $18 round-trip rate to New York City for next weekend. If you tell us which train you want to go on, we'll have a couple of extra cars for you." We thanked him, and said we would let him know.
Then we had a meeting. We decided that since the Grand Trunk was good enough to give us the special rate in the first place, we'd go via the Grand Trunk.
I went to see the GTW agent, and told him of our decision.
"That's what we've been waiting for," he said. "We're going to show you boys that the New York Central isn't the only railroad in South Bend. We're not going to put two coaches on the Maple Leaf for you; we're going to run a special train, and limit you to 20 passengers per coach, so you'll all have a four-seater. And the train crews will show you how to take the backs and cushions off, so you can make bunks out of them. We'll put a Pullman on, at regular fares, for anyone who wants to travel Pullman. We'll have specially low-priced meals in the diner, so you can stay within your budget: 25 cents for breakfast, 35 cents for lunch, and 50 cents for dinner, with special printed commemorative menus. We'll have a passenger agent go all the way with you, and he will meet you after the game to decide what time you wi***o return.
"And," he added, "to show you that we can do anything the New York Central can, we'll match the running time of any New York Central train you wish, from the 20th Century Limited on down, even though we'll have to go 50 miles farther to get there."
We selected a 1 p.m. departure on Friday; on the next track, the NYC's Fifth Avenue Special was loading for its 12:50 p.m. departure to New York City. Some students not in the band were taking the Fifth Avenue. They laughed at us. "You'll get lost in Canada somewhere. We'll tell you how the game came out."
We beat them to New York City by 2 hours.
We left South Bend behind a Pacific type locomotive with a sealed baggage car containing our instruments, five or six coaches for the 100-member band, a diner, and a Pullman. Aboard the train were a passenger agent and the district trainmaster. Helping the engineer (a favorite way of putting it among engineers in those days) were the traveling engineer and the traveling fireman. During one 5-mile stretch, we timed the train by the mileposts and the brakeman's watch: 200 seconds for the 5 miles, or 90 mph. We made the 234 miles from South Bend to Port Huron, Mich., in 233 minutes, despite changing engines at Battle Creek, Mich., and taking water twice. We passed the Maple Leaf in a siding somewhere in Michigan.
GTW parent Canadian National took us across Ontario to Suspension Bridge, N.Y. CN didn't set any speed records, apparently not having expected us so soon. But at Suspension Bridge, a real rhubarb arose. The GTW diner had been taken off, I suppose at Port Huron. Now a Lehigh Valley diner was to be put on the rear of our train; Lehigh Valley was CN's connection for New York-area through service. The LV diner was over in the United States, while the rear of our train was still on the Canadian side of the bridge. Railroads paid a fee each time they used this bridge. Whose switcher was going to incur the wheel charge in order to put the diner on our train? Not the Lehigh's; and, just as positively, not the CN's.
Men from the two roads stood there arguing, and perhaps would be still be holding the train, except that the GTW passenger agent announced, "It's our train. We'll do the switching, and I'll take the responsibility." So the CN switcher ran over to the New York side, got the diner, brought it back, and tacked it onto the rear, and away we went.
We made the run from Suspension Bridge to Penn Station (LV's New York terminal, shared with PRR) in 8 hours flat. When we stopped on a curve in Mauch Chunk (now Jim Thorpe), Pa., the track was so superelevated that the dishes started to slide off the tables in the diner. Some years later, I told a Lehigh Valley conductor that we had made the run in 8 hours, and he flatly refused to believe me. But I was there.
Unfortunately, the football game was a tie.
Saturday afternoon, as promised, the GTW man met with us, and we decided on a 3 p.m. Sunday departure from Penn Station. As our train started climbing the hills of New York State, it got very cold. The first three cars were warm, but the rest of the train had no heat. The conductor repeatedly signaled the engineer for more steam in the heating line. At every stop there were acrimonious exchanges between the conductor and the engineer. The engineer insisted that he was sending back so much steam that any more would burst the fittings. Yet the train, after the third car, was so cold that the water in the Pullman was beginning to freeze.
When we stopped at London, Ontario, the car-knockers found what was wrong. The GTW coaches had an unusual arrangement for the steam line shutoff valves: the handles were located in the vestibules of the cars. One of the band members had wondered what those handles were for, and he'd turned one of them, on the leading platform of the fourth car. The LV crew was not familiar with the GTW valve arrangement, and they never thought to check the position of the handles.
Some more excitement during the evening came with the emergency stop out in the middle of nowhere. The conductor went forward to ask the engineer the reason for the stop. The engineer asked why he had been flagged down with a red lantern from the rear end. Again, it was a band member, who had picked up the flagman's red lantern on the rear platform, and waved the lantern from the side door to see what would happen.
Finally, early in the morning, we stopped at either Sarnia or Port Huron, where a lady from the depot's restaurant came out onto the platform ringing a hand bell, calling all train passengers to breakfast inside.
One of the boys picked up the hand bell, put it under his coat, and took it back to South Bend. Two days later, a half-hour before the 6 a.m. gong that woke all of us in Sorin Hall each morning, this wretched band member ran through the corridors, ringing that hand bell. That afternoon, Father Farley, the rector, summoned all the residents of the dormitory to a meeting. Father Farley told us--in the straightforward manner for which he was noted--that he would leave his office for 15 minutes. If that bell was not on his desk when he returned, no resident of Sorin Hall would be allowed to leave the campus until he graduated--if he graduated.
The bell was there when he returned, and the school returned it to the restaurant, with apologies.
From 1935 until 1942, when World War II ended such trips, the Notre Dame band went each year to New York City for the Army game, via the Grand Trunk Western and Lehigh Valley, for $18 round trip, each.
In 1956, when I returned to Notre Dame for my 20th reunion, I was talking with GTW's passenger agent in South Bend. He asked, "Do you know what you boys did with that trip? You broke the monopoly of the New York Central here. Ever since that trip, we have been able to give group rates to students, and they've gone along with us."
And that's the story of how a few college boys brought the mighty New York Central to its knees.

Grand Trunk Western reveals its reasoning

A few years after graduation, I was in Chicago, and visited the GTW-CN office on Michigan Avenue. I asked how, since the regular fare was $64 round trip, could the GTW afford to give us the $18 fare. I was told that the $18 covered only the wages and fuel. "We didn't charge anything for maintenance or other charges; but we figured we neither made nor lost anything on the train. And we figured it was a good opportunity to show 100 Notre Dame boys that we had a first-class railroad. We figured that perhaps at some time in the future, one of you might have a car of freight to route, and you might send it our way."
As it happens, I was employed for several years at Continental Can Company's New York office, and I had to route many shipments of machinery from suppliers in the East to our plants in the Midwest and West. Whenever it was feasible, I short-hauled the poor Erie at Buffalo, and routed the shipment via CN-GTW to Chicago or (by GTW carferry) to Milwaukee. For a while, I kept a list of the cars that I sent via GTW, it was up to 85 cars when I stopped keeping track. I don't know whether any other Notre Dame band members were ever in a position to route a car, but I think I paid GTW back for the 1935 train!

[From TRAINS December 2000. Again thanks to Kalmbach for permission - Mike]
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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:59 PM
Happy Holidays to Tom and to all who visit Our Place. Probably could use some protein, is there a hard-boiled egg in the house? If not, I'll drink it raw
with a chaser of cream and sugar and let it all settle as a nog.

I am absolutely mystified as to why Happy Holidays is considered political.
(Today, New Years Eve, obviously is not a regular day, it's a holiday in it's own right, all but officially, and tomorrow of course is the other holiday in my greeting above.) The HH phrase has been around all of my life. Good Christian grandmothers have sent out cards saying "Happy Holidays" and Perry Como sang the song "Happy Holidays" on TV as well as his impecable rendition of the "Ave Maria." So IMHO the greeting Happy Holidays is totally Christmas, there's nothing un-Christmas about it. Anyone making an issue of it needs to ask him or herself, "Does it really serve Jesus to be picking fights over trifles?"

Alright I've gone this far, I better get to some train stuff. That Silk Train story is fantastic. Thanks Dave for posting it and thanks Tom for arranging the ENCORE. Ditto CM3 on MTA. I was in Boston only once in my life, for about 4 hours. I made sure to sample their subway. It was fun to ride, that's for sure!
What an amazing co-incidence those folks from Missouri on your train Tom.

P if you're on a run tonight do you blow the whistle at midnight? In answer to your question, I only know about Baker Street Station because you posted about Mike tower and all that. What I was asking you about was the model
of the station that you said you had plans for, in your post Dec. 8. The actual building itself is quite impressive as architecture, judging from pictures. It's good that they preserved it as a restaurant or whatever, but it is a shame to strip it of proper historical context by destroying platforms and tracks, etc.
It might help to know that for the fifty years or so that I've known how to read, my eyeballs automatically zero in on the word mike, for some reason, so that's how I came to take an interest in Mike Tower. Quite a scene back when I bet, with 4 sets of PRR tracks and 2 sets of NS? tracks at Ft. Wayne.

Rob I missed that post about the PCC cars the first time, so thanks for the ENCORE. Very interesting. (I wouldn't lie about that, I'm not on staff). Just kidding. We have a fine staff and you are a credit to Canada and to the human race, as you know. My entry into this forum was to offer a reply to In Flanders Fields and I couldn't have done that without you Rob, so thanks very much.

Ted I think a day or two ago you used the phrase "credit where credit is due."
I still don't know exactly what Boris is all about, and probably never will, but from the transcript it is you who Christened him "Boris."

Nick it's more fun when you're around, hurry back.
Happy New Year everybody.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:22 PM
And now for the final installment, Part IV of my Canadian rail adventure in eastern Canada this past May:

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo Posted: 23 May 2005, 13:53:11
Canadian Rail Journey, Part IV and final (initially Posted on page 16)


Wednesday, May 11th, a glorious morning in Bedford (Halifax) Nova Scotia and the time has come to bid adieu to family and friends. Arriving at the VIA Rail station in Halifax, we checked in at the Easterly Class kiosk with plenty of time to spare for our 12:40 PM (ADST) departure for Montreal. The familiar sight of Train #15 and its all Budd consist once again rekindled that feeling of anticipation as we checked our luggage into Bedroom D of the Revelstoke Park car (observation dome). “Claude,” our attendant greeted us with his typically warm and friendly manner and we settled in to our seats up in the dome – front right.

Our train was made up of 13 cars and 2 F40PH locos (#6419 & 6418). The consist: one baggage, three coaches, one Skyline dome car – one dining car – six Chateau series bedroom cars and the Revelstoke Park observation dome car.

After snapping off a few more photos, we began our journey along the winding trackage from the station to the shoreline of Halifax Harbor and Bedford Basin. Before to long, the dome filled with travelers as we left Halifax behind and headed up to Truro. The countryside is a pretty sight, replete with large farms, lakes, and lots of new construction. Makes one wonder just where are all the people moving from?

Since there are no departures from Montreal (or Halifax) on Tuesdays, there was no passing train to view as we cleared Truro on the way to Amherst, the last station stop in Nova Scotia. {Back at the Halifax there was another Budd consist sitting across the platform that would become Train #15 on Thursday. This is the same train I came in on Monday late afternoon with the Evangeline Park observation dome car.)

A thought occurred to me as we wound our way through some really great looking scenery, that this may very well be the last time my wife and I travel the “Ocean” in Budd cars, if at all. As I’ve indicated in previous “reports,” VIA Rail will be shifting all the Budd equipment to western service by January 1st thereby making the “Ocean” an all Renaissance equipment train. Having experienced Renaissance in October of 2004, I doubt that I’ll be spending any of my retirement dollars for a repeat performance.

As always seems to be the case, we arrived in Moncton, New Brunswick rather quickly, although “Claude” told us we were running about 10 minutes late. With the elegant depots of Amherst and Sackville behind us, the idea that we were heading home settled in. Another 15 minute stop at New Brunswick so we stretched our legs, took some pix, and checked out the dining car menu. Oh no! Not again – same menu as every trip thus far since leaving home! With just two entrees on the menu, the selection does become rather limited when one has been traveling the route for 4 evenings since May 5th.

“Claude” told us that the Chaleur, VIA Rail’s train to Gaspe, Quebec, may have a schedule change to permit it to make the trip in daylight. Operating on a three day per week departure in each direction, the “Chaleur” is part of the “Ocean’s” makeup at Montreal, with the separation occurring at Matapedia. That same stop is where “Chaleur” meets the Montreal bound “Ocean” as well. For the first time in many, many trips, we did not have the “Chaleur” with us, nor did I on my “solo” round trips earlier in the week. Anyway, they say the scenery along the route to Gaspe is really something. Perhaps some day, unless someone decides to put Renaissance on the line for that as well.

Rogersville – Miramichi – Bathurst (with some snow still visible) – Petit Rocher – Jacquet River – Charlo and Campbellton (last stop in New Brunswick) all were stops where it appeared more passengers boarded than departed. The Campbellton stop also was our signal to call it a day …. Which we did.

Thursday morning found me sitting in the dome at about 5 AM (EDST) as the train backed into the station at Charny, Quebec. I guess I’ll never get used to this backing in, backing out business – and yes, it is railroading – but somewhere in my “socialization” regarding railroads, trains are supposed to pull in and pull out. As I thought about this quirk of mine, it occurred to me that even my model railroad “empire” requires backing in or out amongst the 8 consists of passenger cars accommodated at my Can-Am Union Station. Oh well ….. In a perfect world, it surely would be different!

With no full breakfast to look forward to in the dining car nor a continental breakfast in the Park car (both discontinued by VIA Rail as cost cutting measures (?)) the day began a bit differently than we were accustomed to. The Park car does offer juices, coffee, tea and hot chocolate along with apples and oranges for the Easterly Class folks. Fortunately, I still had some cookies left from my “solo” trip, so we survived on those until reaching Montreal’s Central Station at 8:05 AM (10 minutes early).

Once we reached Saint-Lambert, it was time to get our things together as the journey was about to come to an end. This was a bittersweet conclusion for us in that 15 years of travel along the Montreal-Halifax-Montreal round trip route may very well have ended.

Once inside the station, we had breakfast at our favorite “sidewalk café” table. Again, each breakfast of two eggs, sausages/bacon/ham with toast and coffee/tea cost $5 (Cdn) each. Had VIA Rail offered the full breakfast, it would have cost us $9 apiece and we would have gladly paid it if for no other reason than to have the ambiance of the dining car along with the views along the way. Alas, change is all about …….

So, that concludes my “report” of our rail experiences in Canada 2005.

The intention of these “reports” has been to share my experiences with those of you who appreciate trains – and the “Ocean,” with over 100 years of operation, is a “Classic” in every definition of the word.


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:42 PM
Continuing, on this final ENCORE! day for 2005, here's Part III of IV of my eastern Canada rail adventure this past May:

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo Posted: 20 May 2005, 14:21:48
Canadian Rail Journey, Part III (initially Posed on page 15)

The trip back to Montreal on Monday, May 9th, was aboard a similar VIA Rail consist to the one that brought me to Ottawa (4 LRC coaches powered by a Genesis P42 loco). The car was only 1/3rd full, whereas the morning train was packed. My only gripe with the outbound train to Montreal is that there was no opportunity to snap off a few pix …. Boarding call, followed by a “march” to the cars, very structured and organized to say the least.

Departing the Ottawa station at 3:10 PM, Train #34 began the scheduled nearly 2 hour trip to Montreal. The ride was smooth and comfortable. Before I knew it, we were approaching Place Bonaventure and Montreal’s Central Station. Our early arrival (10 minutes) provided me with a little over an hour before boarding call for the “Ocean” and my return trip to Halifax.

One thing of note on the way back from Ottawa was my observance of a N. de M. electrified locomotive sitting at one of the shops near downtown, on the south side of the mainline. This loco didn’t look “well” and my guess (since corroborated) is that it was there for maintenance. I didn’t have the time to snap off a photo, for before I knew it, there it was – and there it went! I still have to look twice when I see the N. de M. markings on rail cars – seeing more of ‘em these days as CP’s and CN’s empires expand.

Once again, sitting within Montreal’s Central Station, listening to the sounds of the train announcements – chimes – bilingual announcements – the hustle and bustle of a real live train station all around me. Yes – this was and remains a special place for me and those of us who appreciate all aspects of passenger rail travel.

The boarding for the Ocean took place precisely at 6 PM for those holding Easterly Class tickets (bedrooms). Proceeding down the escalator to the awaiting train, gleaming in the station lights, I found myself mesmerized once again with just how great those Budd stainless steel cars look and how well VIA Rail has maintained them. (Sure, some may find fault here and there, but my take on that is these very same people probably have “issues” with most things in life – perhaps even Santa Claus!)

My single bedroom (Roomette) this time was at floor level and once getting my gear stowed, I proceeded to the next car, the Evangeline Park observation dome. The 11 car train was the same that brought me to Montreal in the morning – 2 FP40’s (#6441 & 6405) – one baggage, two coaches, one Skyline dome car, one dining car, five Chateau series bedroom cars and the Evangeline Park observation dome car. Car attendants were the same as well, “Joanne” in the Park car and “Al” in the Chateau Brule bedroom car adjacent to the Park car.

Sitting up in the dome – front seat on the right side, I engaged in my familiar “routine” of watching the procession of commuter trains leaving with their cars full, heading off to their suburban destinations. On the right side were the electrified loco’s (out of sight as they had backed in) and on the far left were the trains powered by F40PH’s of Montreal commuter rail system, “AMT” – translated: Montreal Agency of Transportation. During my time in the dome, I did see on LRC consist arrive, powered by a Genesis P42 in that great VIA Rail livery.

6:30 PM arrived and the Ocean slowly left the station behind as once again daylight enveloped the train, giving new perspective to it all. Crossing the St. Lawrence on the Victoria Jubilee Bridge is always special. The Seaway below, with the ships heading off to their destinations, the automobiles, trucks and buses on the bridge, a passing commuter train to the left and of course the structure itself with a turnout to the right, over the water no less. Really is interesting to take it all in.

On this evening, I decided to forgo the dining car experience for two reasons. First, the menu was the same as our Thursday, May 5th trip to Halifax and my Sunday, May 8th trip to Montreal. Enough! Second, I just wasn’t all that hungry – so a sandwich in the Park car dome, with a couple of Alexander Keith’s pale ales “worked” well for me.

VIA Rail is about to undergo several changes to what many of their regular passengers have taken for granted. I posted a separate thread regarding these changes on two forums, and provided Email’s to several people who requested this insight. So, for anyone interested in what these changes are all about – check the previous posts on this thread, and you’ll find them.]

Remaining in the Park car’s dome until about 10:30 PM, I finally gave in to the urge to sleep, and called it a day – a long, enjoyable day. I had accomplished that which was to be done – once again enjoyed the “light show” of the loco’s headlight playing games with the shadows of the night along with the assorted reflections of color bouncing off the rooflines of the cars before me. The signal lights changing, the illumination within the structures within view of the tracks and the occasional highway vehicle racing along in the night. Always captivates my interests …….

Tuesday morning, May 10th and the last leg of my “solo” rail trip would be coming to and end this day. The day began a bit on the overcast side, no rain, just somewhat gloomy. Up at 6:30 AM Atlantic Daylight Savings Time, and directly to the Park car dome. A couple of “shots” of juice, coffee and cookies (purchased at one of the shops within Montreal’s Central Station), provided me with the “start” I needed. “Joanne” was provided with her remuneration in the form of a new cookie supply for being so kind to me the day before.] More than one passenger asked about the “Continental breakfast,” only to be told it no longer is offered (as explained in one of my previous trip reports.) Unfortunately, it appears VIA Rail didn’t do a good job in keeping the passengers informed, especially those accustomed to this particular feature.

Breakfast in the dining car was enjoyable, as always. Several people were commenting aloud with regard to the “missing” continental breakfast in the Park Car’s bullet lounge. It appears that good public relations was not enhanced by this move.

At Campbellton, New Brunswick – about a 15 minute stop - two VIA Rail engineers boarded the train as passenger. They were operating Train #15 on Monday night heading towards Montreal when, according to the senior Engineer, a woman apparently committed suicide right in front of their locomotive. A 42 year old woman stopped her vehicle on the tracks at Nigadoo, NB and waited for the train to hit her. The Engineers were taken off the train for return to Moncton on our train, somewhat somber to say the least.. Needless to say, she died at the scene.

If you’ve never witnessed the scenery in that part of New Brunswick, I find it to be worth the view. Lots of water – the Bay of Chaleur, rivers, inlets and lots of wooded areas, punctuated by a building or three now and then. Stopping at Miramichi, at Miramichi Bay, always perks my interests too. Formerly, Newcastle, the name change apparently was attributable to the mergers of several communities into what it is today. Anyway, for the duration of the stop, there always seems to be lots to look at.

Arriving at Moncton, NB at 11:45 AM, it was time to stretch the aging legs, take some photo’s (again!) and just enjoy what looked like would be turning into a blue skies day after all.

The best part of the trip, insofar as my choice in scenery was yet to come. Passing through Sackville, NB with the Bay of Fundy to the right, the prison to the left and then the historic Sackville Station to the right brought back many fond memories. Sackville happens to be the home of a good friend of mine and at least annually, I try to visit with him on a “turn around’ VIA Rail trip from Montreal. There’s about a 4 hour opportunity for a get together, then the westbound pulls in – thereby giving me a “two nighter” on the train, coupled with a brief reunion with my friend. Works well every time!

Next stop was Amherst, NB – first station stop in Nova Scotia. That is followed by Springhill Junction (flag stop) and I always look for Anne Murray – but somehow our schedules just don’t ever coincide!

Traveling eastward to Truro, the scenery is simply beautiful as the train takes to the ridge line of the mountains (“hills” to those of you in western provinces and states!). On this day, Train #15 passed us on the right, an all Renaissance consist heading to Montreal. From Truro to Halifax, nothing but blue skies and signs of lots of flooding from the torrential rains of recent days past.

Passing by “Mom’s” house at Bedford Basin, my wife and mother-in-law were on the front porch, waving as the Park car zoomed by. Another picture taken and another “signal” given to fire up the Buick for the trip to the station in order to pick me up. Works every time!

So, that’s about it. Leg #3 of my 4 part VIA Rail adventure came to an end at 4:45 PM ADST – 25 minutes late – but once again, as far as I’m concerned – on time!

To be continued ……….


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:36 PM
And here's Part II of IV of my rail adventures in eastern Canada this past May:

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QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo Posted: 18 May 2005, 14:25:29
Canadian Rail Journey, Part II (initially Posted on page 13)

On Sunday, May 8th (Mother’s Day and VE Day) I set out on my solo round trip from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Ottawa, Ontario via Montreal, Quebec. Arriving at VIA Rail’s Halifax Station in a torrential downpour, the line up for Easterly Class sleepers had just begun.

I noticed a rather large group of people all wearing name tags and my first thought was, “Oh no, a tourist group!” Experiences from past journeys have not all been that pleasant when encountering some of these organized rail trips and I hope this would be different. It was.

It didn’t take long for me to discern the pronunciation of certain words that only people who reside in the St. Louis, MO, USA area can appreciate. The group turned out to be comprised of people from my community and those adjacent to it. The tour director had been my three children’s math teacher in high school and before I realized it, it was “old home week” at the Halifax Station. This particular fellow and I have traveled aboard the same trains, but never as part of his group. He does a good job at ensuring that all goes well, without the intrusiveness experienced with other groups.

On this day, Train #15, the all BUDD consist of 11 cars (1 baggage car, 2 coaches, one Skyline dome car, one dining car, 5 Chateau series sleepers and the Evangeline Park Car (observation dome with 2 lounges and 4 bedrooms) awaited us. Heading up the train were two F40PH’s, numbered 6441 and 6405 respectively. The train was booked full, including the coaches. There was talk of adding another coach at Moncton, NB, however, that didn’t occur as one wasn’t available.

The rain had been falling since Saturday morning and this was monsoon-like. Heading northward towards Truro, the water on either side of the right-of-way was running fast and at times appeared to be very, very close to the roadbed. Sitting in the Park Car dome, the vantage point was sufficient enough to determine the impact of the storm on the country side. Several crossings had police cars blocking them, lights flashing, probably because of roadways under water.

By the time the train wound its way through the great scenery between Truro and Amherst (last stop in Nova Scotia) the rain began to let up. Our arrival in Moncton was only long enough for me to dash out into the rain, take some photo’s and get back aboard for the continuation of the journey. One of my new-found friends from a community not far from where I live, accompanied me and we got more than a few chuckles from the employees all huddled beneath this or that wondering who these “Yay hoos” were with their cameras! Been there, done that before and will undoubtedly do it again! With a refueled train at the ready, the remainder of the trip was enjoyable – as always.

The dining car was jammed for the evening meal – at least a 15 minute wait for a table. Good to see, in that many of my previous trips witnessed near empty situations, even though the trains were rather full. Somehow this all didn’t equate – fewer menu selections, higher prices equals greater demand? Huh? Another delightful meal, some great dinner table chit chat over a couple of Keith’s Pale Ale, then back to the dome. Ahhhhhhh.

Couldn’t handle much more beyond Campbellton, so it was time to hit the sack. I had a single (Roomette) on this journey in the Chateau Brule bedroom car adjacent to the Evangeline Park observation dome car. This single was an “upper,” in that the step down could be a ‘killer’ if one forgot it was there! Happens …. Amazing how every bit of space is wisely planned for ……… a good night’s sleep interrupted only by my curiousness to take a look through the wide window now and then. Some snow on the ground between western New Brunswick and eastern Quebec.

Morning on the “Ocean” began very early for me. I arose at 4 AM – and decided to sit in the Evangeline Park’s dome until our stop at Charny station. While this stop has existed for decades, the feature stop for the “Ocean” was at a place on the south bank of the St. Lawrence Seaway, directly across from Quebec City called Levis. When on the eastbound, the train sat for about 20 minutes, which gave the passengers an incredible view of the ramparts and lights of Quebec City – just wonderful. The westbound got in a bit early (as with Charny), so most times I slept through that ….. About five years ago, the tracks were sold and removed for Condominiums (or so the story goes) and the Levis station faded into history. The ferry connection between Levis and Quebec City lost much of its charm insofar as passenger train travelers were concerned.

At Charny on the westbound, the train backs in, whereas it is the opposite heading east. Took a few minutes to breath in the chilly morning air – chat a bit with crew and just enjoy the beginning of yet another great morning with VIA Rail.

I must say that those continental breakfasts in the Bullet Lounge of the Park Car was sorely missed on this day. I’m a “pill taker” in my advancing age and without something of substance to go with them, the experience can be rather unpleasant. Fortunately, “Joanne,” our attendant, noticed my discomfort and immediately provided me with a few packages of cookies to go with the complimentary juices, coffee, tea and hot chocolate in the Park Car. She’s a “sweetheart” for sure – an “old timer” from our traveling days aboard the “Atlantic,” which used to run between Montreal and Halifax, but took a more southerly route through Maine. A story for another day …….

We arrived in Montreal about 15 minutes early – 8 AM – and I quickly located a place for breakfast within Montreal’s Central Station. Two eggs, sausages, toast and coffee all for $5 (Cdn) – not bad. What a shame that VIA Rail’s decision makers have no clue regarding breakfast aboard the westbound “Ocean.” The Chef is there – the food is there – the attendants are there and the only thing served is the continental breakfast. Pity.

My Ottawa train departed at 10 AM as I settled into my window seat aboard a VIA Rail LRC coach. For such a short journey, I decided against VIA1 service – much more costly. The train makeup consisted of 4 LRC cars – 1 VIA1 and 3 coaches powered by a single Genesis P42 locomotive. Just love the color scheme (livery).

The hour and 35 minutes flew by and before I realized it – there we were, pulling into the station. Ottawa’s VIA Rail station is a beautifully appointed structure – very modern, airy and clean. Bus and taxi service to downtown is readily available and frequent. I took bus #95 to downtown and off I trudged to the newly opened and dedicated War Museum.

The War Museum is located rather far from where the bus driver left me off. Hmmmmmmm, was there a message there? Anyway, I enjoyed the exercise – snapped a bunch of photo’s along the way of the Parliament buildings, Supreme Court and so on. The weather was outstanding – blue skies and temperatures in the mid-70’s (F). Lots of joggers – lots of jiggles and lots to look at! Ahhhhhhhh, young man on the lose in Ottawa! Well, at least mentally!

Arriving at the War Museum about 45 minutes after my bus departure – really – I was taken in by the new structure and those entering and departing it. The day before, VE Day, Ottawa hosted a terrific remembrance for the veterans and many were still around. I made a point of introducing myself to several and I’ll tell you, many misty eyes all ‘round for sure. I digress a bit: During WWII my father was a U.S. Merchant Marine mate and several of his convoys used to make up at Halifax. There was a special bond between those embarked on those voyages – some only made it one way – some didn’t complete the trips – and the lucky ones are still around to talk about it. Yes, a very significant experience for me.…….

To be continued ……….


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:24 PM
G'day!

Here's Part I of IV of my rail adventures in eastern Canada this past May:

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QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo Posted: 16 May 2005, 13:07:37
Canadian Rail Journey, Part I (initially Posted on page 12)

The first leg of my Canadian rail journey began on May 5th aboard VIA Rail’s “Ocean” bound for Halifax, Nova Scotia. Departing Montreal’s Central Station at 6:30 PM, the 12 car consist of Budd stainless steel cars slowly made its way across the St. Lawrence Seaway by way of the Victoria Jubilee Bridge (a unique rail and highway structure with a turnout and separate span over part of the Seaway). Train #14 was powered by two F40PH’s, 6419 leading and 6418 trailing.

NOTE: Discussions regarding the existence catenaries at the Montreal Central Station have taken place over on "Canadian Passenger Railroads - Let's Talk!". There ARE catenaries to the left when approaching Place Bonaventure. Montreal's commuter trains - "AMT" - run their F40PH's to the right and the electrics to the left.

The train consist included a baggage car, three coaches, a Skyline dome car, a dining car, five Chateau series bedroom cars and a Park car (Revelstoke Park).

Over the years, prior to getting underway, my wife and I have made a habit of sitting in the dome of the Park car, simply to take in the sights and sounds of the lower level of Montreal’s Central Station. Montreal’s commuter trains, some electrified and others not, made frequent departures along with VIA Rail’s corridor trains (LRC and Renaissance). Before we realized it, the train effortlessly began to move forward. Soon, the daylight enveloped the train and our long awaited journey “home” began.

As has been our practice, we booked a double bedroom – “D” – in the Park car, which for those who may not know, is the double with the most floor space. Our attendant, Claude, is an old timer and very much into ensuring that his passenger’s needs are attended to promptly and courteously. I should add that he stocked an adequate supply of Mr. Alexander Keith’s fine Pale Ale from Halifax, thereby putting my mind at ease regarding that aspect of my rail pleasures.

With a fair sky and receding sun, our train picked up speed and before too long, Montreal’s skyline was but a series of bumps on the rear horizon. One more pale ale, then off to the dining car.

Generally we begin our evening meal at the Drummondville station stop – about an hour and one half from Montreal. This evening was no different. We noticed straight away that the menu had been trimmed quite a bit, with only two entrees offered and NO chowder listed. This was quite a surprise and we wondered aloud what had happened. The reply was along the lines that VIA Rail had decided to make several changes to Easterly Class and the dining car service, all designed to save them dollars. While that strategy makes no sense to me, apparently the “bean counters” think otherwise. I should note that the dining car was very crowded and we had about a 15 minute wait for a table.

I don’t think that a trip with VIA Rail has ever resulted in our not meeting someone new and this particular journey was no different. There’s just that little something – no – big something that fosters the atmosphere for conversations to begin. A couple of more train travelers have been added to the “list” of people with whom communications will be maintained. That’s just the way it is. Try that out on an airplane!

One of the treats to take advantage of aboard the “Ocean” is sitting in the Park Car’s dome. These domes accommodate 24 people and at times the seats are all full. I particularly like it when there’s no one else there, especially at night, as the sights of signal lights, illuminated structures and the loco’s headlight play games with the shadows of the night. If you have never experienced this, it may be a bit difficult to envision. Daylight affords the opportunity of viewing the full train from the rear along the roof lines. Night time gives yet another perspective. It’s all part of the ‘wonder’ of train travel and something that will be sorely missed once the Budd stainless steel cars give way to “Renaissance” and the “Euro” cars.

After breakfast in the dining car, we returned to the Park Car dome and remained there until our long stop at Moncton, NB. This is where the loco’s get refueled and other matters get attended to. Scheduled for a 20 minute stop, we were off and running in 10. The train was a bit behind in schedule.

The track along the route between Campbellton, NB and Moncton, NB was a bit on the rough side – square wheel effect. This is attributable to the New Brunswick East Coast railroad’s inability to maintain the track in the condition that CN had done over the years they owned it. A rough ride for those in the diner, for sure. CN routes their freights along a different right of way, thereby giving VIA Rail almost exclusive access to that length of track. We didn’t see one moving NBEC freight during the trip. Many of the cars and loco’s we did see still had CP or CP Rail markings showing beneath the freshly painted NBEC livery.

Perhaps the most scenic portion of the trip is between Amherst, NS and Truro, NS where the track is pretty much located on the ridge line of the mountains (hills to those of you from the west coast!). Just wonderful scenery and good track most of the way. The westbound “Ocean," Train #15 from Halifax, passed us on the left side as we approached Truro. Those “Renaissance” cars just don’t look “right” to me and it’s going to take some time to get used to seeing them. Anyway, my guess is that they were waiting for us in a passing siding, as we were running about 20 minutes behind schedule.

The run from Truro into Halifax takes about 90 minutes and on this particular Friday, it was true to form. Some very pretty countryside and lots of lakes to enjoy as the “Ocean” sped onward to our final stop. Approaching the town of Bedford (now part of the “new” greater Halifax) I snapped yet another photo of “Mom’s” house – situated between the tracks and the water of Bedford Basin. Each time we make this round trip, two more photo’s get added to the collection. One day, I’ll assemble them, put them into a collage arrangement, and ship ‘em off to “Mom.” It’s only been 15 years worth ……..

Hugging the shoreline of the Basin and Halifax Harbor (Harbour) the “Ocean” wound its way past container freights and assorted cars waiting for assembly into outbound trains. We arrived at the station about 20 minutes late – which as far as I’m concerned is on time. Off to the platform and picture taking, while my bride patiently waited, wondering, “Why does he do this every time?”

VIA Rail did it again – delivered us safe and happy to the beginning of what would turn out to be a wonderful week of trains, ships and a War Museum.

To be continued ……….


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:09 PM
And here's something on this final day of 2005 from coalminer3 CM3 Posted way back on page 28:

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QUOTE: Posted by coalminer3 Posted: 17 Jun 2005, 12:58:37

Since we are talking abt. subways, herewith a few memories of the old MTA (Pre Charlie, yet!)

Riding the subway was always an adventure. The Boston subway was old when I was growing up. There were not as many stations then (sit and read the stations marked on the glass map in the holder beside the car door; Harvard, Central, Kendall, Charles, Park St., Washington, South Station, Broadway, Andrew Columbia, Fields Corner, Shawmut, and Ashmont - that was it), and the trains only ran as far as Harvard Square, although the streetcars ran out to Arlington, but that’s another story for another time.

The subway station was in the middle of Harvard Square. It was a low gray stone structure with a metal roof and some ornamental iron work. In red letters above the doors was a sign which said “Rapid Transit to All Points - Eight Minutes to Park Street.” People were always in a hurry there and it was hard to get a chance to take in all of the activity. You had a choice of walking down the stairs or riding a narrow wooden escalator to get to the station’s “lobby.” Here was a change booth and turnstiles. The process was quite simple - shove a dollar bill through the slot in the glass window and get some subway token and some change pushed back to you by the bored looking man sitting inside. Then take a token, put it in the slot in the turnstile and push your way through. Little kids rode for a nickel and had to reach up to drop their nickels into a change counter which was pretty similar to the one on the bus. That done, we went down the stairs to the platform and waited for the train.

Harvard Square Station was on two levels. The upper level, which allowed passengers quick access to buses and trackless trolleys without going outside, was for trains coming from Boston. Inbound (to Boston) passnegers boarded their trains on the lower level. There was a single track on each level. The upper level went to the car barn (actually an open area for car storage) which was occupied a space near the Charles River between the Harvard University campus and Memorial Drive.

I always liked going by the yard when driving into Boston. Row on row of subway cars sat parked on the tracks waiting for their next trip. Sometimes, trains ran past the Harvard Square station to the yard to discharge passengers going to a football game at Harvard Stadium which was just across the Charles River. I remember walking by the yard a few times when going to the stadium with my father or uncle to see a football game. There was a cement and brick wall around the yard which had a few gaps in it and I wished I was taller so I could see more of the trains behind the wall. I could hear trains approaching the station from Boston as they pulled in above me and the entire station rumbled and shook with a deep, menacing, growl which was almost deafening because of the confined space in the station.

Just about all of the old Harvard Square station was ripped out in the late 60s and early 70s when the subway was extended from Harvard Square to Alewife, so what I’m about to describe no longer exists. As I mentioned, the subway line was single track with a high level platform to let people board and leave the trains quickly. The track resembled that of a regular railroad, except that a third rail was mounted outside the right rail. The third rail carried the electricity which powered the subway car’s traction motors. Every so often on the third rail was some white lettering which said “DANGER - THIRD RAIL DO NOT TOUCH!” I was concerned most of the time that I might fall off the platform, touch the third rail and be instantly fried, so I never got too close to the edge of the platform. Everyone knew of somebody that had been fried because they weren’t paying attention - never mind that there was no hard evidence of anyone ever being fried, except for a drunk in South Boston or some despondent person who threw themselves onto the tracks ans the train pulled into the station, the thought of being electrocuted frying, swelling up and bursting into a million fragments was enough. The track was not really ballasted but sat in what appeared to be deep layers of grime, oily dirt, dust, candy wrappers and old newspapers; I suppose there were ties underneath that mess somewhere. The walls were dingy white porcelain tile and there were brightly colored advertising signs attached to them at intervals. Most of the signs I remember advertised Wrigley’s gum. Behind me was a brightly lighted newstand which sold Boston papers, candy bars cigarettes and cigars (in those more innocent days), and magazines. The station itself was not well lighted. Rather there were a few bulbs that tried ineffectually to pierce the darkness. I found that I could see pretty well once I got used to it. I tried to get close enough to the edge of the platform so I could see up the track to where the tunnel coming from the car barn curved away, but not close enough so that I might fall off, wind up against the dreaded third rail and be fried - INSTANTLY!!!

After awhile I could hear a train coming. It sounded differently than did the ones on the upper level as the noise was not as deep. I could hear the wheels squealing around the curve from the yard and hear the hollow whistling sound of the brakes being applied as the motorman brought it closer to the station. Then, there it was - four red lights marking the corners of the lead car, the blue-uniformed motorman sitting in the cab with one hand on the controller. The train of dirty, green painted, steel cars clomped into the station and screeched to a stop. The wooden doors banged open and the passengers began boarding the train.

These cars were not luxurious, they were utilitarian in the best sense of the word since they had been built to last through years and years of hard service. The windows would be open if the weather was warm and I could smell the pungent sweet scent of oil and warm traction motors. A compressor cut in under one of the cars with an urgent “lunga, lunga, lunga” sound, and then cut off with a harsh snap of air under pressure. It would be time to leave pretty soon and I made sure to try and get a seat near an open window so I could see everything. One feature of these cars I remember was a map of the MTA system in a glass panel by the door. I wonder now and then how much one of those would bring if offered at a memorabilia auction. Enough of that, though, it was time to go. The doors banged shut, “snuuffaaa,” went the air brakes, the traction motors groaned into action and the train began moving forward slowly at first, then much faster. I don’t think we were really went all that fast, but the fact that the windows were open and we were in a tunnel gave the illusion of really moving rapidly. Central was the next stop, just a short distance from Harvard Square. The section of the line from Central to Kendall was about the longest stretch between stops and the train really moved along here. The noise was thrilling, palpable, and altogether wonderful. You truly could not as my mother always said, “hear yourself think.” The racket was redoubled whenever we met a train. The other train roared past us in a blur of lights. This was what it was all about - going some place fast.

Years later I read a passage in a novel by Thomas Wolfe in which the hero, tormented by a desire to be everywhere, see everything, and absorb all of life’s experience in the process, would ride the subway from Cambridge to Boston and see if he could hold his breath between stops - I did this when I was five years old and enthralled by Little Golden Books rather than the Sage of Asheville. The run from Central to Kendall was a long one, whether I held my breath or not.

I mentioned that I tried to sit by the window. Deciding which side to sit on was a tough decision. Inbound the left side was the track side which would allow me a closeup view of the trains we met. The right hand side of the train would give me a good view of the Boston skyline when the train exited the tunnel and climbed over the bridge from Cambridge to Boston. Most of the time I chose the left side because from there I could see a lot of industrial buildings and in the distance the smokestack of the Boston and Maine’s roundhouse at Mystic. Peering ahead I could see it was getting lighter as we got closer to the tunnel portal. A rush and a clank and we were out of the tunnel for a little while and back into the daylight.

Up we went across the bridge to the Charles Street station. A brief stop there and then back into the tunnel underneath the storied streets of Beacon Hill. The train swung around a right hand curve before plunging back into the darkness. On the left was the frowning hulk of the infamous Charles Street jail; an ancient facility even when I was young. A roast beef sandwich stand was on the street right beside the prison walls. Legend had it that their sandwiches were so bad that the inmates would throw them back over the wall when kind hearted folks tossed a bag of them into the prison yard. A quick glance out the window allowed me to sort of see into the jail before the train plunged back into the tunnel. Park Street Under was the next station and we often got off there to transfer to another train, but sometimes we rode to Washington Street which is where the big department stores were. Still other times, we rode to South Station when we were going to ride the New Haven Railroad; always a great adventure. Beyond South Station lay unknown territory. I explored that later when I was older and started riding the subway by myself.

Park Street was about the biggest station on the MTA system. It had two levels. The subway was on the lower level and streetcars ran on the upper level. Historically, the oldest section of the entire MTA system was the one that ran into the upper level at Park Street. Some of the old Type 5 cars were still around when I was small, but mostly I remember riding on PCC’s. The PCCs were painted traction orange with a stripe separating the orange-colored lower half of the car from the cream-colored upper part of the car. The PCC’s ran from overhead wire so there was no danger of getting fried on the third rail. The PCC cars also did not run from a high level platform as did the subway cars. Park Street was a little better lighted than some of the other subway stops. The PCCs ran underground and on the surface and would take you virtually anywhere you wanted to go in the city.

Have a good weekend.

work safe


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:38 AM
Good Morning!

And for this final day of ENCORE! Week here's a piece from page 79, submitted by West Coast S Dave this past summer:

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QUOTE: Posted by West Coast S Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:03:02

Morning Tom and the gang...Spot of the Juan Valdez please

Ah, yes those silk trains of yore , actually a misnomer as they did not transport the finished silk, but the silk worm itself in specially built 30 foot wooden high speed express cars (Built by Pullman) with a rider coach or two and diner for the machine gun toating armed escorts responsible for cargo security, to satisfy insurance requirements, one armed escort was mandatory in the cab as well (One train of silk worms could be valued in the millons of dollars).

The heyday of the silk trains occured between 1900 to the late 1920s. SP typically ran consits of a dozen cars, specific motive power was assigned, always P4 class Pacifics in later years and earlier A class Alantics, sometimes a UP engine would run through, replacing the usual SP power , it had absouloute authority over every movement, including first class passenger trains.

The operating and train crews were hand picked for these assignments, the motive power was inspected and selected personally by a division Roadmaster and a member of Sr. management from the SF headquarters building.

Typical operating speed was 85mph with higher speed numbers being common were permissable. Operation in the off hours was the usual means to avoiding conflicting movements. Ensuring smooth operation of these trains was well thought out, select division points maintained emergency backup power ready to go on a moments notice to provide any aid necessary.

Routes of operation included the Donner Pass line for a UP connection and also the Golden State Route. Per contract, they were alloted as little 42 hours to deliver to the mills in the east or the south, dealing with valuable live cargo, it is logical to assume a certain percentage would be lost in transit, there were specific contract guidelines to aid the customer and insurance carrier should it be necessary to file any claims against the railroads.


Dave [tup]


Enjoy (again)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:37 AM
Mornin! Gents!

We have arrived: the final day of 2005 is upon us and my guess is most of us are anticipating the New Year with some mixed thoughts. Rather than delve into something more profound than this thread is intended to be, let’s just say that here in ”Our” Place one may find refuge from the storm of political, religious and societal issues. In here, we talk Classic Trains with a bit of adult humor thrown in! [yeah]

Still very confused over whatever in the world Nick said in his last Post. Seems that I am either mad or glad. Awaiting your explanation, Sir Nick!

Also rather disappointed in the abysmal turnout and support for ENCORE! week Two of our prolific (translation: long winded) providers of Posts, totally blew off the idea of ENCORES! Pity, they surely would have added to the theme some of us were trying to maintain.

However, we DID have a good week overall and I thank all of you who helped make it happen. Let me clarify that – I thank those of you who participated fully – (1) Greeted the barkeep (2) ordered a drink and/or food (3) Acknowledged the efforts of others –and- (4) Were inclusive in your responses. Those are the precepts we follow and those are the people who will receive acknowledgments from me throughout 2006! [tup][tup][tup] I hope our regulars follow suit. What’s the point in rewarding the ill-mannered[?] They can take it somewhere else.

Okay – on to the acknowledgments:

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:11:09, 00:20:15, 00:26:13 and 00:33:47


Another late night in Ontario, eh [?] [swg] Appreciate your comments! Thanx for the best wishes and of course your two ENCORE! Posts! [tup][tup] Also, I received your Email response to my response! [swg] A quite New Years Eve planned at this end. We’ve long abandoned anything remotely approaching revelry on the 31st. We are comparative “newly weds,” and still enjoy one another’s company. [swg] [yeah] [wow]

And a Happy 2006 to you and your bride! [tup]

jlampke John
Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:11:24


Nice comments and much appreciated! Share your thoughts a thousand-fold regarding anything remotely approaching “political correctness” AND those espousing it. [tdn] No room for it ‘round here – the thin skinned can take it somewhere else. [swg]

That trip of ours began on New Year’s Eve from Toronto in 2002 and ended when we returned home on January 9th.

Never saw the islands of the Pacific that are most probably “common” to you. Been to Hawaii and Pearl Harbor twice. I did go ashore up at Dutch Harbor in the Aleutians back in 1959. Saw the gun emplacements, trenches, etc. Still a lot of “stuff” strewn all over the place. Even at 21, I had to pause to give thought to the guys who made those sacrifices. I’m just that way to this day. [tup][tup][tup]

Appreciate the round and best wishes! Happy New Year to you!

passengerfan Al
Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 07:55:08


And a Happy 2006 to you!


As has been the practice this week, the ENCORE! effort will continue throughout this last day of the year.


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:03 AM
Good Morning!

. . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

More on the Canadian National Railways of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956 (previously Posted on page 112)

Canadian National Railways

Canadian National

Super Continental - Dieselized all the way

Faster daily service between

MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER

No Extra Fare

Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up
Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example

Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday
Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday

Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday

Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday
Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday
Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday
Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday
Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday

Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver.
Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only.
Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg.
Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol.
............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31).
............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2).
Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver.
Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers.

NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know [?]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:55 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Gearing up for tax season is getting very boring quickly.
Just wanted to wish all a HAPPY NEW YEAR and may it bring prosperity and only good things in 2006.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:11 AM


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Good Morning! Join us in a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our specially prepared <light> breakfasts! [tup] [swg]

”Our” Place will remain open throughout the night and into the New Year! All are welcome to stop by on their way to and from”wherever,” and toast one another for a Happy 2006! There isn’t anything “special” being planned – just our typical Saturday night bill of fare, with perhaps some “bubbly” thrown in at the appropriate time! [swg]

ENCORE! Daily Wisdom:


If it takes liquor to build your courage, you may have to prove it.


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is ENCORE! Day. – Dig through those archives and resubmit something special for all to enjoy! [tup]

(2) We are CLOSED on NEW YEAR’s DAY and there will be NO Sunday Photo Posting! until January 8th. Messages may be dropped off through the mail slots for anyone wishing to Post, however, you may not receive a response or acknowledgment.

(3) Friday, January 6th is the Birthday Bash! for CM3.


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 01:38:53 (206) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 07:29:56 (206) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – SP&S

(3) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 07:53:57 (206)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 09:17:28 (206) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 10:37:44 (206) ENCORE! The “Canadian.”

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 11:46:21 (206) ENCORE! from BudKarr

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 12:01:30 (206) ENCORE! from West Coast S

(8) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 13:02:29 (206) Inclusive Post, etc.

(9) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 13:09:54 (206) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 15:21:47 (206) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 15:40:32 (206) ENCORE! from coalminer3

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 18:50:59 (206) ENCORE! A trip to remember

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 19:48:21 (207) Best Wishes!

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 20:08:01 (207) Best Wishes!

(15) rrandb RR Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 20:42:43 (207) Best Wishes!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 21:31:27 (207) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:11:09 (207) Inclusive Post! Best Wishes!

(18) jlampke John Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:11:24 (207) Inclusive Post! Best Wishes!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:20:15 (207) ENCORE! – Classic Juice #7

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:26:13 (207) ENCORE! – Classic Juice #8

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Dec 2005, 00:33:47 (207) etc.

=======================================
That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:33 AM
Hey John I see that you are still in as well. Join me in a tankard of keith's. We may be able to get some steak and fries for you as it is Friday night. Medium well with a side of garlic mash and the oh so wonderfull pan fried mushroom's to top it all off.<heaven> Have yourself a good new years,hopefully you will be in port, and able to enjoy the festivities.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:26 AM
Okay one final encore for 2005. This one in honour of our esteemed (not steamed manager [swg] )

ENCORE! Classic Juice # 8 The PCC




QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy



Classic Juice #8 The PCC


The PCC car. The final of what I think were the major three tactics / car designs brought out to keep the riding public on the street railways, as opposed to busses or cars.

The PCC or Presidents Conference Committee cars were designed by a committee of the 21largest streetcar companies of North America { Toronto , Philly . Clebveland , KC , St Louis , Chicago , and Detroit being amoung the designing presidents ) The company presidents got together in St Louis in 1934 to brainstorm and come up with a car design to compete with burgeoining compition from cars and busses also to modernize and maintain passenger levels in the final stages of the great depression.


They wated to go with a car that could operate as a one man vehicle( coast saving) most older designs had been so converted at this point) utilizing the revolutionary Pay as you pass ( the farebox ) idea started by Peter Witt in the late teens. They also wanted a lighter weight, faster car ( the older wood and steel cars Witt's nearside's etc had heavy framing and were slow and in some designs rough riding ) which would be comfortable and warm and appealing to modern people.

The cars ended up with a light weight unibidy design which as was envogue at the time streamlined with leather,padded upolstry in single an double seat sets the length of the car. Efficient electric in floor heating and a very quick 0 to 50 mph start up which would leave auto's and cars weighting in a dead start. These were the frist stret cars that could actually maintain a constant quick speed with which they could keep up with traffic. The cars were first put into production at the St Louis car company with the first units rolling off the assembly line in 1936. Pullman standard annd CC&F ( Canadain Car & Foundry of Montreal ) soon had licence to build the design as well. The first CC&F units rolled off the assembly line for the TTC in 1938. Our museum has air electric # 4000 the TTC'S original Candain prototype car. ( still operable as well )



The first batches of the cars had a definate art deco design very curvy and gracefull. They are also known as the airelectric PCC's meaning that the doors and brakes were air powered with the traction power and heaters being electric. In 1944 PS and St Louis car began building the all electric version's which featured as the name suggests all door brake and traction power being electric ( thus simplifying maintenance ) The later all electrics could be mu'd for train service on busy routes. Shaker heights in Cleveland Bloor and St clair in Toronto are two that come imediatly to mind.

The PCC's certainly had staying power they were manufactured from 1936 straight through to 1951. many external changes ocured to the designs over the production spans. A few double ended cars, larger bus type windows, ommision of standee windows, and roof ventilation options, etc etc.

Close to 6000 units were produce for the major Us and Canadian cities as well as several European city systems, in France , Belgium and Holland. The TTC even sold older airelectric cars to Alexandria and Cairo i Egypt. Several Us cities also sold off theiir cars to Turkey or other cities as they discontinued service or replaced with newer LRV's.

At one point in 1965 the TTC webt all PCC sysrem wide with 400 cars they purchased new and the additional cars they bought used a refurbised from US cities finally topping out at 775 cars on the system. Today most PCC's are in musuems however San Fransisco's street railway runs several lines with just PCC cars bought mostly from Toronto & other cities as well. One thing with theirs are that they maintain the cars with their classic donner paintjobs so on San Fran you can see Baltimore,detroit ,Cleveland . PE just about everyone's liveries plying the streets still doing what they do best. Quick efficient point "A" to point "B" oublic transit.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:20 AM
ENCORE ! Of Classic Juice #7 The Peter Witt Story. first found on page # 148
Enjoy, I'll drop off one more encore then bis everyone an adieu till next year. [swg]
Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

Okay now for the next installment of ... Classic Juice...
The Peter Witt Story

As previously disscussed . Mr Mitten's nearside car improved the continents ( NA) street railway system,by instituting the PAYE or pay enter way of collecting fares. This improved rider safety by where the cars would stop and improved the street railways bottom lines by #1 getting fares ( in the daysof the conductor walking up an down the side running boards with the "coffee canb" fare box was not only inefficient but many a rider could and would jump on or off woth out paying. And #2 by having a fixed farebox the conductor could conduct there by giving better service to the riders, transfers stop information etc etc.


In 1912 a young man by the name of Peter Witt was elcted to the possition of Traction Commissioner for the Cleveland Railways. He was always seeking ways to improve ridership and ruder satisfaction. The one major drawback of the PAYE cars was that they tended to have very long dwell times at stops. With passengers entering amd exiting the cars via the same doors paying the conductor etc. Some people were still amaging to not pay and the exsessive wait times slowed down the flow of traffic and the shcedules of the transit system.

So he devised a car design which modifed the cars in that the rear doors were moved to the center of the car. Passengers would enter the front move back to the conductors position just in front of the centre doors where he collected the fares. The conductor controlled the center doors which were the exit.

Thus pay as you pass came to be. It sped up the dwell times, and ensured that all fares were collected and transfers meeted out.

Peter Witt supervised the first cars construction at the Cleveland railways Lakeview shops in 1914. The first of these new cars came into service on Dec 1 1914. As built they had longitudinal seats in the front section , followed by cross seats in the rear. Thes cars were also built as single ended controls with two man crew operator and conductor. As more and more of these cars enterd service officials from the other street railway systems came to look at them and quickly began producing simialr cars for their own systems. These cars came to be known as "Witt" cars on the major systems of North America. In Cleveland they were known simply as the "Car Riders Car "

Many street railways built there own cars to this design and Brill , Can Car Ottawa car Company , Preston Car and Coach, Kuhlman and others began producing this type of car under license. Peter Witt recieved a royalty of $10 per car built outside of the Cleveland shops.

Thes cars served all the Major and some of the minor systems. Including Detroit ,Chicago,Kansas City,Providense, Toronto ( 375 cars 75 trailers ),Baltimore,Cleveland, Buffalo , Rochester NY ,Toledo,Birmingham,Kitchener waterloo (ex Cleveland Cars) Regina ( EX KW cars ! ),aand likley several others.

Witts came in two sizes. The Large or standard Witt were 53'0" long 8'5" wide and 12' tall ( rail to trolleyboards ) these cars were lower geared and had strait pipping for trailer hauling. They could and did run solo as well. Few street railways used the trailer cars. The small Witt was 47'0" same height and width but were geared for higher speeds. Single service cars( hauled no trailers) used for rush hour and lighter use lines. From what I can gather Toronto was the only company to have the two types of Witts ( as an aside our museum has 4 toronto witt's two large and two small )

The Witt cars ran for years in Cleveland from 1914 to the early 50's in Toronto from 1921 to 1966. Similar life spans were enjoyed else where. Not untill the PCC car came about in 1936 was there such a universal streetcar design. The PCC continued the Pay as you pass method of fair collecting which is still in use today. Most Witts were converted to single man operations in the 30's and 40's with the farebox moubted bus style beside the operator. Rear tredle doors were installed as well as operator control of the rear doors once they were converted to single crew. As with Birney safety cars the tredles or operator center or front door controls could not be operated while the car was moving. Deadman switch controllers were also part of the safety package as well.

So there you have it the Peter Witt, the car and the man. If you got to my railimages account you can see several pictures of our museums Peter witt's. Large witt 2424 ( lovingly refered to as Bertha or the beer car ) and small Witt's 2786 and 2894.

Rob

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Posted by jlampke on Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:11 AM
Evenin' Barkeep', a double Absolute & grapefruit and a round for the boyz too, please. I see Rob is the only other regular here at the moment. What's available for a late night snack? (Did I see Boris [alien] eying the bottle of Everclear when I walked in?)
Going back quite a few pages..... I avoid patronizing any (cowardly) business that capitulates to Political Correctness [tdn] as it pertains to Christmas being referred to as such. [:(!] 'Nuff said by me on that. [2c]
Doug; Very interesting item on the RPO. I wouldn't have guessed that they lasted as long (1977) as they did.
Out here the saying is;
"Back when ships were made of wood and men were made of steel." I'm sure most of you have heard that before.
Well, being here tied up to a pier at the Naval Base, we get cable TV. I usually watch the History Channel. My favorite...... and part of the reason I haven't been patronizing Our Place as often as I should lately. Can't stand the talk shows. [V]
Rob; On your suggestion, I looked at the pictures of 2860. [tup] Hell of a nice looking locomotive. [tup] It's always good to see or hear of a steamer coming back to life. [tup]
Tom; The Trip to Remember; When did that take place? [^] It's great that people care enough, and remember, to honor our rapidly dwindling number of WW2 vets. I recently heard that an estimated 800 WW2 vets die per day. [:(]
Rob; Steak & eggs sounds great about now. [dinner] Keith's, huh? Make mine a double, please!!
The ship goes to Guam a lot, so I've taken a few trips to Saipan & Tinian. WW2 history
is fascinating. Words just can't describe how awed [wow] I was, standing there looking at the now gravel-filled pit they had parked the B-29 Enola Gay over when they loaded their special cargo into the bomb bay. Because it is now filled with gravel, I couldn't see the hydraulic jack used to lift the bomb. Don't know if it's even still there. There's a plaque there, one of many at various places of interest throughout the island. The runways are still there, of course. I heard that at the end of the war, there were up to 45,000 people living or stationed on the small island. Now I think the population's around 3,000. I took lots of pictures, of course. Earlier, I had visited the ground-zero parks and museums at Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Impressive, and well worth the trip, but going to Tinian actually impressed me more. [wow]
BK; Very interesting comments....... (top of page 200) Interesting too, your observations, and right on target, I think; Most in the U.S. don't give Canada much thought. That's not a bad thing. I've never heard anyone say they didn't like Canada or Canadians for any reason. I've been to BC twice in my life. Beautiful place. Good people. We need to stick together. [tup]
Doug; Congratulations for correctly picking the date that Our Place would reach 200 pages. [tup]

Well gents, it's late. [zzz] More tomorrow barring anything unforseen.

John [zzz]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:11 AM
Good evening again gentlemen. An early new years eve round for everyone( almost 1am my time )

Tom You gone and done it again "Boris the night man" ? <huh>

Anyway loved to see all the blasts from the past. BK's singing mounties amd your good and not so good trips on the Canadian,and the award winners from Dave and CM3 as well. A virtual who's who, and what's what of our lovely little thread here [tup][tup]
A very happy new year to you and your bride


Ted Glad to hear about your musical reminicences of your younger daays of musical mayhem.Am I mistaken or did I read to far into your Guy lombardo stories,were you part of his band for a while ? Anyway take care tomorrow in your Legion duties and have yourself a sane a happy new year as well.

Russell Good to hear from you again,glad that you are liking tthe steam pieces. Hopefully you will have a good and safe new year as well,continued success in your coarses that have kept you hopping this year as well.

P Keep safe if you are running over the weekend if not have a safe holiday with you and yours. Tis a shame to hear about more historical railroad buildings being demolished,short sited I'm affraid, for once they are gone that bit of the past is gone. Same story this side of the boarder more times than not as well.[:(]

Nick The very best of the new year to you and your family as well. Try not to break too much crockery during your new years gig.[;)][swg]

I will likely not be back in now till the second myself so to everyone else a big happy new year as well.

Rob

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