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[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please; round for the house (a toast for missing friends this a.m.), and $ for the jukebox.

Things are pretty subdued around here this morning; the news coverage says it all.

Interesting list of movies. "It Happened to Jane" was filmed on the New Haven and features all kinds of NYNH&H equipment, including a steam locomotive. There were a couple of articles abt. this in the New Haven Technical Assocaition's publication (Shoreliner) awhile back.

BTW, for RDC fans out there, "Shoreliner" was the New Haven's nickname for these trains.

Since (I think) today is 'modeling" day, you might want to take a look at the August, 2004 issue of MR. An interesting article abt NH electrification modeling is in there - well worth looking at to give you an idea of what it was all about. I always admire folks who have the patience to do overhead, especially New Haven style with the monstrous anchor bridges, triangular catenary, etc.

I got an interesting birthday gift, a copy of Steinheimer's Electric Way Across the Mountains. I am glad to see it has been reprinted. Signature Press does a good job re production values, and you might be interested in checking it out if, like me, you failed to get a copy of the 1st edition.

Unsavory elements involved in subway construction? What a concept! Let me guess, it has something to do with concrete, tunnel liners and water? Cement work boots - enquiring minds want to know................

work safe

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! What better way to start the day than to try some of our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. Oh yes, we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board![tup]

See page 208 for the current issue of The Mentor Village Gazette


Daily Wisdom

Stay alert! You can observe a lot by watching. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) repeat Friday, January 6th is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!

(2) repeat Sunday Photo Posting Day! returns on January 8th. Let’s make this a successful event through active participation by more than one or two! [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 00:21:41 (209) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 06:35:29 (209) Inclusive Post, etc.

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 08:24:56 (209) Interesting Post

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 09:32:03 (209) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 14:00:06 (209) First Annual Rendezvous!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 16:08:20 (209) NOSTALGIA #32 – Ad – EMD (1948)

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 17:49:32 (209) Streamliner #35, Old Dominion RF&P

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 18:47:29 (209) reply to passengerfan

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 22:27:09 (209)

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 23:02:34 (209) Inclusive Post, etc.

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 23:14:55 (209) Ad – Hotels of Distinction (1931)

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jan 2006, 23:49:36 (210) Encore! TH&B’s Doodlebug

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 00:30:14 (210) Acknowledgments, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good Night Gents!

It's been said that good things come in threes, so it is again with Rob and his late night visits - three more Posts! [tup] Appreciate your stopping by. [tup]

Perhaps I better take a closer look at what's going on in that shed - Boris has been known to devour Hooters! <grin>

Good tip regarding the "influence" being exerted by the unsavory element in connection with the subway construction. Fortunately, we do have some measures underway to protect our interests. Perhaps something to explore for the next edition of The Mentor Village Gazette. Speaking of which, apparently didn't really flick as many switches as I had hoped. [%-)][%-)]

Doodlebugs, by any other name were absolutely the strangest looking Farkles riding the rails. They occupy a nitch in railroading history though, especially in the development of the rail diesel car. Interesting stuff. [tup]

Mike, was beginning to wonder where you've been - good to see ya!

That's quite a mental exercise to attempt - retrieving one's earliest memories. While yours has a focus on trains and your mother, mine is on war, a cabin cruiser and my maternal grandfather. Probably about a decade earlier than yours. Interesting and maybe something for further elaboration another time.

Okay, ring the bell Boris a round on me and this place is closing for the night!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again gentlemen. Tom I'll grab another Keith''s as my original one seems to have emptied somehow[:D]. Your nostalgia piece on the Electro- Motive car inspired me to find this old post again.



Here's a small Encore. This is a bit about the TH&B's EMC Doodlebug. This was posted originally on page 153.
Enjoy again. Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


Here's a little ad exerpt from a book I have here at home. This is an add from 1952 from Electro motive. This comes out of the book In the shadow of giants the toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway story By Norman Helm.

"Good for another million miles."

Here is Electro-Motive gas-electric rail car number 301. Which has passed the million mile mark on the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway and is still performing perfectly in passenger service between Welland , Hamilton ,and waterford Ontario.

Mr W B Slater, assistant General Manager of the T H & B RY, writes:...


"This car has been in service since dec 14 1927, and the 1,000,000-mile mark was reached on January 8 1949. The car still provides excellant riding qualities. It is functioning 100% and without some unusual circumstances arising it should be good for another million miles. "

we expect reports like this. Practically all of the 500 Electro-Motive rail cars built between 1923 and 1932 are still in active service.The work these old-timers are doing will not match the spectacular achievements of their diesel successors. But it was in th steady, outstanding performance of such rail cars that railroads learned they could rely on locomotives which bear Electro-Motives name plate.

i'll pop back in later evryone.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay here's another classic CNR Ad. This one is from 1931 and is for their Hotel chain.


Hotels of Distinction

The Candian National system maintains, in some of the principle cities of Canada, hotels which are a credit both to a great transcontinental railway and to the cities served. The Chateau Laurier, which stands in the Dominion capitol, Ottawa, is one of the finest buildings in Canada an dis the centre of the city's most brilliant social life. Other dignified buildings in the Candain National hotel chain are the Fort Gary at Winnipeg, the Macdonald, at Edmonton,and the Nova Scotian, at Halifax,openned in 1930. In adition to these are: the Prince Arthur,at Port Arthur,Ontario ,and the Prince Edward,at Brandon, Manitoba.


Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom,I'll nab meself a Keith's and catch a round for the house wislt I'm at it. We must get the bathtub back up and agoing if we are to afford the DVD upgrade for the bar. Oh BTW the free Hooter's calender may be a cause of concern.Boris is yet to leave his shed since he got his copy.[:O] That can't be at all healthy ( for any of us )[B)][:(!]

Glad you liked that mouldy old CN ad, it also listed the addresses of all their US offices. You need to watch out when you are on the main street of the MV,seems that Vito is looking at investing in the subway construction and any other light rail options that may float his way. Very shrewed business man that Vito[;)]


CM3 I'm glad that the Ft Erie race trains caught your eye. The Ft erie racetrack and most if not all of CN's yards there are loooong gone. To bad to it was a full service caol dock roundhouse backshop sort of area. Just the ayrd tracks there now.[:(] Neat to see that other railways ran similar trains. I've noted that on occation VIA will run a grey cup speacial depending on where the grey cup game is played. It's usually well patronized. The all caboose ( or is that cabeese [?] ) train would have been a sight as well.

I do hope that the WVA mining disaster has a bit of a happy end. One can only hope. I can't imagine what it's like for the families or the recuers. All we can do is keep them in our thoughts.


Al Another fine edition to the roundhouse to get us all started off again this year[tup]

Ted Glad you liked the rerun of the traction stories. PCC's and Witt's are my personal favourites,nothing says a streetcar quite like a Witt in notch 8 groweling up Yonge street with a packed trailer.[sigh] sadley Yonge trains have not run since the yonge subway openned in 1954. No worries on the New Years greetings, seems as though the old comoputer gremlins decided to steal that email[:(!]

I was a bit interested by the twwo urls you gave. I haven't peeked at them yet,but are they shipping programs or game programs like the one Tom has ( but not openned ) I have used ( at a train club ) a couple of different shipping programs. They worked well, but it just wasn't my thing. To me the hobby is for fun, shouldn't become a job, to me the shiopping programs made it a bit too much like work. Only my tarnished [2C]


Well I'm out for now. I'll have another small ad tidbit for eberyone momentarily

Rob

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, just a nightcap please

The oldest earliest memory that I can retrieve is of being 3 years old and in a long room with many windows on both sides and 2 rows of side-by-side big chairs. It was a brand new environment for me in the spring of 1950. I was on a train with my mother and I was very happy. Probably the Des Moines Rocket, No.506, leaving Davenport at 9:51a.m. The next thing I remember it was the next day and we got off the New York Central System at Palmer, Massachusetts. A lady picked us up at the station, a friend or cousin of my mother, and drove us to Ware in a pre-War coupe. I had never met my maternal grandparents before, and I don't remember meeting them that day either. But I do remember coming down to breakfast in their kitchen and seeing no sign of my mother, just me and these 2 old people. I asked them where my mother was. They told me she had gone to Mass. Good old Mom. (September 8, 1915 - January 3, 2004)

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Well, here we are back to the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" Thought we left that behind in 2005! [swg]

Al and others may wi***o check out page 134 for some NOSTALGIA regarding the Washington & Old Dominion Railway.. Not the RF&P mentioned by Al but relevant to a degree.

Thanx for the round! Boris dust off the bell and ring it! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #35

OLD DOMINION RF&P November 15, 1947 Richmond - Washington two daily round trips 113.5 miles each way 2 hours 55 minutes each way.

The OLD DOMINION was the name assigned to a new five car streamlined train owned by the Richmond Fredericksburg and Potomac Railroad inaugurated between Richmond, Virginia and Washington, District of Columbia on November 15, 1947. The five cars were constructed by American Car & Foundry and for power initially a non-streamlined 4-6-2 Pacific was selected. The schedule was speeded up in December to a flat two hours in each direction. Unfortunately the train was never a success and in less than a year was discontinued. The reason for its failyre was to many train already covering the same route. After all the RF&P forwarded all SAL and ACL train s between the PRR and their home roads and many of these trains carried local pasengers.

CONSIST

312 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive and Tender

840 70-Revenue Seat Coach

841 70-Revenue Seat Coach

842 70-Revenue Seat Coach

843 70-Revenue Seat Coach

VIRGINIA DARE 20-Seat Dining 6-Seat Lounge 22-Revenue Seat Parlor Car

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #52

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the General Motors Electro-Motive Division from a 1948 advertisement in my personal collection.

The colorful recreation car on The Jeffersonian, Pennsylvania Railroad all-coah streamliner, provides a luxurious game and reading lounge, a children’s playroom, a miniature movie theatre and a sunken buffet-lounge. The Jeffersonian is in daily service between New York and St. Louis. It is provided by a General Motors locomotive.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLAY AS YOU GO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

You get more fun out of the pleasures today’s travel affords when you train is powered by a General Motors Diesel locomotive.

For then you travel with a new smoothness – and a new speed, too. Often, on the straightaways, your train will top 100 miles an hour.

General Motors locomotives have also brought a new cleanliness to travel - no smoke and cinders to mar your appearance; no clouds of steam to mar your view.

For years General Motors locomotives have held the records for on-time arrivals.

It is easy to see why 197 of America’s finest, fastest name trains are headed by General Motors power.

Easy to understand why better trains follow General Motors locomotives.

. . . . . . . . . . ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . GENERAL MOTORS * LA GRANGE, ILL. . . . . .

. . . . . Home of the Diesel Locomotive . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS


Here’s an update to the planning for our First Annual Rendezvous:

(1) The Rendezvous will take place in Toronto, Canada during the period of May 11th thru May 13th, 2006.

(2) It will be for the regular patrons of ”Our” Place, no spouses or guests – this time.

(3) Four customers have made firm plans to attend – Tom – Rob – Ted and Al

(4) Thursday, May 11th is arrival day, with an evening social planned at or near the place of lodging in suburban Toronto. Close to a rail line of course! [swg]

(5) Friday, May 12th is the official Rendezvous day with activities planned into the evening. Activities include riding steel wheels on steel track in Toronto: VIA Rail, GO Transit trains, Toronto subways and Transit Toronto streetcars.

(6) Saturday, May 13th is “sleep late day,” with a visit to the Halton County Radial Railway Museum Milton Ontario (trolleyboy Rob’s trolley museum) to follow “brunch”. Rendezvous activities conclude at the evening social.

(7) Rob (Trolleyboy) is our Program Coordinator and Host.

(8) PLEASE continue communicating with me by Email regarding the Rendezvous. It is IMPORTANT to keep the communications off of the forum/thread so that nothing gets lost in the shuffle.

Hope to see some others “sign up” for our get together this spring![tup][tup][tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

I wanted to hold off making mention of the WVA situation regarding the miners either trapped or lost underground. Now that CM3 has commented I'm sure there are those here who are doing their best to think only positive thoughts ..... Can't imagine the nightmare of it all.

Brief acknowledgment to Ted for the morning visit. Those game URLs brought to mind a gift I still have in an unopened box from about 5 Christmases ago. I'm not "into" those kinds of things, but my son keeps buying computer games in hopes that one day my mind will surely turn to mush. [swg] A good re-gift someday! <grin> Oh [yeah] it's called "Railroad Tycoon - Platinum."

CM3 I was beginning to wonder whether you'd mention the Gazette in your Post - but alas you didn't. However, there was an oblique reference when you mentioined the 1958 NFL Championship game. I was a Giants fan back then - so I share your pain. [swg]

Movies[?] We've had one of two movie nights in conjunction with other "goings on" 'round here. There are three large screen TV's with VCRs (haven't upgraded to DVD yet - but we're working on it) so it shouldn't be a problem. Just let us know what you would like to have shown and when. It can be done. [tup] Also, with the Grand re-opening of The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre those flicks are scheduled for showing in the not too distant future. Here's a list of some that will be incorporated into the upcoming movie season:

Train Movies

A Century of Lionel Trains
Bound for Glory
Breakheart Pass
Casey Jones TV show
Danger Lights
Disaster on the Coastliner TV
Emperor of the North
Exciting 100 mph Race to Chicago
Fahrenheit 451
Flame Over India
Fours a Crowd
Holiday Affair
It Happened to Jane
Love those Trains
Midnight Run Deniro
Narrow Margin
North by Northwest
Pacific 231
Rail Away
Rio Grande 1950's
Runaway Train
Station Agent
Switch Back
The Chartreuse Caboose
The Christmas Story
The Denver and Rio Grande
The General Buster Keaton
The Great Locomotive Chase
The Greatest Show on Earth
The Iron Horse
The Lady Vanishes
The Molly Maguires 1968
The Polar Express
The Silver Streak 1934 Version
The Silver Streak Pryor
The Train
Toccata for Toy Trains
Tough Guys
U.S.2.:D.T.
Under Siege 2: Dark Territory
Union Depot
Von Ryan's Express
Ya Can't Win Em All

Reno[?] Can't tell you how many times we have planned an itinerary for a round trip from Chicago. Always falls through for one reason or another. [yeah] I know, the route is much more picturesque coming from the west, but we're here - not there! [swg] Anyway, Amtrak's California Zephyr is the train - but I'm in serious doubts that we'll ever take it. When it comes to spending that kinda money for a bedroom, etc., we'd much prefer VIA Rail. Getting up there, though, is the issue these days (daze!).

Thanx for the quarters and of course the round! [tup] Looks like Coal Scuttle is a bit "light" and can use an infusion or three. [swg]

Okay, catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please, ropund for the house and $ for the jukebox. WVU beat Georgia (with a fake punt, yet - sheesh)

I am in training (therapy?) for my upcoming birthday bash. I don't worry abt. my associates, but I do always sit with my back to the wall.

Lots of interesting posts over the past few days. Here's two more for the short list of all-time great train pictures. Emperor of the North, and North by Northwest. Maybe we can have a movie night at the bar sometime. Danger Lights is a great film to begin with.

I was looking through some of the prvious entries and the remark abt a buffer car on the Ft. Erie Race train caught my eye, also the use of parlor cars. The New Haven for years ran trains to the Narragansett Raceway, not too far from Providence. The thought behind this was that they might as well use the cars that were gathering dust during the day. I have a handbill somewhere in my material which has a picture of a New Haven I5 pulling a race train - artistic license probably. The trains and the race track are both long gone, although my sainted grandmother spent many an afternoon there. If you recall the wire shop in "The Sting," Naragansett is mentioned.

Interestingly, trains operate to the NE Patriots games and do quite well as many folks choose not to deal with the traffic on I-95 b4 and after a game. I also noticed something about the 1958 Giants-Colts game (still a sore subject with some of us).

Speaking of special trains, I recall being in Reno one time and waiting the catch a train to head back east. Those of you who have been there (pre-trench days) recall that you can see a long way to the west. I spotted a headlight and realizing that it was too early for my train, thought I'd see if I could get a picture. It turned out to be a pair of SP units with a ragtag bunch of SP coaches. The doors opened and the horde detrained and headed through the station and up the street toward the casinos. I asked one of the crew what it was and he shook his head and said, "It's the Reno Fun Train; we load 'em on in San Francisco and unload 'em here - we only sell round trip tickets."

On a more serious note, we are waiting to see what's going on with the 13 men in Upshur County; there's a lot of my friends involved with the rescue effort and our thought and prayers are with the miners underground and with the rescue crews - there's so much that can go wrong with so little warning.

work safe

[Anonymous]

Good morning to all you "oily Birds what catches da woims." Just a glass of Grapefruit juice, a toasted Bagle w/cream cheese and a cuppa Folger's if you please, Tom. Rob good fellow, glad to see ya and the "mail" isn't important, just a New Years greeting. Sure appreciate the Peter Witt and P.C.C. Encores from last week.[^] The Canadian National "flash back" to 1929 should "jolt" the memory banks for many of us. However, few may remember that C.N. held the record for the most trackage in the Americas for years on end. John, what a neat URL on the W.P. (originally, if I recall) "Donner Pass." I'll refer back to it often as the histroy behind that Herculean effort is a rail saga all to its' own.[tup] The maps are incredible as well. Ironic that the builders of the Great Wall of China would also build the "Chinese Wall" in the New World, isn't it?[:O] West Coast Dave, good point on the insidious methods the "New World Order" employs to permeate every facet of "mainstream media" coverage from Iraq to Pasedena...Big Brother? Okay Tom, my turn at the whipping post.[soapbox]

Hey, if anyone would like to have some fun with cyber layout planning and operations, check out these URLs: www.trainplayer.com and www.railop.com. I'm just getting "into it" now and it shows promise for some previously discussed layout plans, et al. Now, if this is "old hat" from a previous Post, I realize it will be "off with his head!"[xx(] Any case, maybe a refresh wouldn't hurt. BTW, some "feed back" would be appreciated from those involved in the modeling side of "Our" Place.[bow] Okay Boris, we have a lot to do before Friday the 6th, CM3's [bday]... BONG....Give me strength.[:(!] Happy rails folks.

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! What better way to start the day than to try some of our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. Oh yes, we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board![tup]

See page 208 for the current issue of The Mentor Village Gazette


Daily Wisdom

90% of the game is half mental. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) repeat Free 2006 HOOTERS calendar:
click here - http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/12/22/39853.aspx

(2) repeat Friday, January 6th is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 00:27:43 (208) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 00:47:34 (208) Mentor Village Gazette

(3) jlampke John Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 01:22:22 (208) Inclusive Post!, etc.

(4) West Coast S Dave Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 01:27:22 (208) Rose trains, etc.

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 08:19:19 (208) Good grief!

(6) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 09:24:00 (208) Acknowledgment, etc.

(7) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 10:09:07 (208) Good grief!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 11:52:25 (208) Acknowledgments, etc.

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 13:44:07 (208) Inclusive Post!, etc.

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 13:49:54 (208) He lives!

(11) jlampke John Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 14:57:10 (208) etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 15:03:39 (208) reply to: Theodorebear & passengerfan

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 15:03:39 (209) reply to: jlampke

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 16:12:02 (209) NOSTALGIA #51 – Ad - CP (1963)

(15) West Coast S Dave Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 18:56:43 (209) Contrition! – etc.

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 21:54:07 (209) reply to West Coast S, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 23:19:59 (209) Inclusive Post! etc.

(18) jlampke John Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 23:22:30 (209) URL of URLs! etc.

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 23:43:28 (209) Ad – CN (1929)

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Jan 2005, 23:48:04 (209) etc.

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Jan 2005, 00:18:45 (209) Acknowledgments, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

<yawn> Thought I heard a trolley passing by in the night. Hmmmmm, that can't be, there aren't any street cars in Mentor Village. Oh, what's this - 3 Posts from Rob and 1 from John! It's okay, Leon - you can keep the bar open 'til the last man has had his fill! [swg]

So the New Year has finally sprung loose our permanent stool member! Was beginning to think that you found a 2nd job to keep you occupied! <grin>

That is one fantastic URL that you found for us, John - really tells quite a story. What a great addition to the discussion of Donner Pass. [tup][tup][tup]

CNR's advertisement from back in 1929 speaks volumes when one thinks about it. Radio was IT in so many ways. People round the world spent time sitting and listening to this rather new and wonderful way to communicate. Stories being told, music being played, news being reported, etc.

To my way of thinking, nothing binds a people more than a common language and radio did so much to help in that regard. Wonder why that concept is so difficult to understand in these "modern" times [?] A thought for another day.

No apology needed regarding that reference to excursion trains. In the priorities of things for me - regularly scheduled passenger trains will always take precedence. Given a choice of nothing or an excursion train, of course the latter will prevail. [tup]

John Roger Miller's King of the Road has been a fixture 'round this place since Moby *** was a Minnow! [swg]

Thanx for the rounds and quarters for Herr Wurlitzer, der Juke! Just drop 'em off in the Coal Scuttle right over there. [tup][tup]

Okay - I'm heading back to the sack. [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hey John just caught your post, nice URL BTW. I'm with you hope that the track does go back in. Well folks it's time to head off into the sunset. Leon wring up another round for John and any other stragglers. I'm off for now.

Rob [zzz]

[trolleyboy]

I'm back briefly with the first classic trains talk of the year from me. this is an add CN put into National Geographic to promote awarness of it's size and scope to the United States. the ad was run in 1929.

A railway system that spans a continent.
and links two great nations

New York and Montreal; Chicago and Toronto ; Duluth and Winnipeg lie south and north of the International Line. But they are not foreign ground to the citizens of either The United States or Canada. Language , race, and customs and the luxurious trains of Canadian National Railways link them together and make them neighbours.


Wherever you wi***o go in Canada - whether to the playgrounds of the Maritime Provinces, Historic Quebec, the lake and forest regions of Ontario, the great prairie provinces, the mighty Canadian Rockies to the Pacific Coast and Alaska- Canadian National will take you, speedily, comfortably , and over a route replete with magnificent scenery.

But Canadian National is more than a railroad.It operates year 'round hotels and summer resorts. It provides frieght,express and telegraph service with conections to all aprts of the world. Canadian National Steamships carry Canada's ensign over the seven seas. Eleven Candian National radio stations broadcast from coast to coast.

For information on Canada's natural resorces and business opportunities, for tickets and accomodations, call at , write or telephone the nearest Canadian National office.

CANADIAN NATIONAL
The Largest Railway System in America

operating Railways . Steamships . Hotels . Telegraph and Express Service . Radio



Intresting ad to be sure. I'll see if I can't get it to scan so you all can see it.

Rob

[jlampke]

Barkeep', the usual please, and $$ for Herr Wurlitzer. Did we ever get King of the Road (Roger Miller) added to the extensive listing already carried? [:(]

I see Rob is here. Evenin' Rob. What're you drinking tonight?

Dave, Al, thanks for the feedback. I looked it up on Google. See the URL below;

http://cprr.org/Museum/Sierra_Grade_8-2003/Donner_Pass-Summit_Tunnel/index.html

Give the images a minute to load. I would definitely like to get up there myself one day. It would be nice if the UP did in fact restore the rails to that section of the line, adding another chapter to the history of Donner Pass. I had also heard in the past that most of the original CPRR line through Utah had been abandoned by the SP in later years.
That would be a trip I could really get interested in; A trip by four wheel drive through the entire length of the original transcontinental railroad. [tup]

Rob, I've never been to Ontario. I will definitely keep your offer in mind and look you up if I ever make it up to your neck of the woods. Thanks for the offer. [tup]

Evenin' Tom. You're out & about late. It must be about midnight in MO right now.

Back in May 2000, I was taking the train from London to Gatwick. Along the way, I saw a steam locomotive painted red steaming along an adjacent track. I was surprised and pleased to see that the Brits were running such a thing. About a year and a half later I took two of my daughters to see the first Harry Potter movie. In the movie, they had an identical looking steam locomotive. I told the girls that I had seen that same locomotive when I was in England (They were skeptical). Does anyone know anything about that?
The nostalgia item at the top of page 206 reminded me of that.

Mike; I've been to Times Square a couple times, myself. They can have it. I did make it to the top of the World Trade Center though, which was impressive, I thought. I look at a big city like New York, or any of them, and wonder what the country looked like 200 (or so) years ago, before "we" arrived. Given any wish, I would opt for time travel, were it possible.
The pictures of Horseshoe Curve were great. That must've been an incredible place to watch trains from back in the days of steam. The sound clip was cool too. [tup] Thanks.

Tom; I never knew the SP&S ran to Eugene. (page 206) I know the route the Oregon Electric used. Later used by BN, and now BNSF. The final mile or so that used to run to the Electric Station down the center of 5th street was paved over around 25 years ago, if I remember correctly.

Kind of sad, the item from Dave originally posted August 26th, Farewell to a way of life.

Mike; I don't consider "Happy Holidays" to be political, in itself. It's the big stores that make a point of removing the phrase "Merry Christmas" from all their decorations for fear of offending some atheist. That's what gets me. This time of year has always been called the Holiday Season, in my life. As it is and should be. Just don't be afraid to use the word Christmas, either, I say.

John

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. I'll have a CR and perhaps a round for those still sitting upright in their barstools.

Tom Wonderfull, encores from yesterday,all on topic and all were the best from the best,always good to see them again.

I'm still chuckling over the latest, issue of the MVG, glad I was able to help out in a small way. Nice to see us up and running again in '06, I'm looking forward to Our Place's continued success and fine exchange of information.

John Thanks for the info on the Islands. I do find all things old ( as in the historical stuff ) extremely interesting. If you ever find yourself in Ontario e-mail me and I'll try to give you le gande tour d'area.

I'm glad that you were able to check out the 2860 restoration. They been along time at it. She hasn't run since the early 90's. Steam's the hardest and most costliest beast to restore and operate, but the end result is always a fan favourite.

Mike Glad that you liked the PCC story,I do enjoy sharing such tidbits with everyone. Thanks for re-running your Dad's article as well,out a nice capper on Encore week. [tup]

Dave Welcome back my friend,wonderfull bit on the PE and the rose bowl parades as well. As Tom said info that I did nnot know. Also good info on the Donner pass from you and Al as well. I too had thought the entire line had been pulled. Nice to hear that it's still in use. Hopefully the Feather River route does not disapear though. It too is a historical and sceneic rotue with the Keadie Wye etc etc. If UP does decode to shut it down,perhaps some local tourist co may be able to preserve it. Would make for a wonderfull ( sorry Tom ) train excursion route.Bunch of dome cars and Budd coaches hmmm. Any takers ?

Ted Glad to see you survived you Ted's taxi service stint on New years eve.I have not yet seen the email you sent. Mind you my computer sometimes sends stuff to the junk folder it should not so I'll recheck that in a few minutes. If I find it I will of coarse respond in kind.

It was nice to see Fergie drop by but I don't remember dancing with a lampshade on my head. May have though but I don't think so. I certainly have neither rthyam or music.[swg]

Keep well everyone.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just a word or two before turning the bar over to Leon the Night Man!

Been a strange return to normal 'round here. Nice turnout and some interesting thoughts and information posited for one and all. Given that today is a holiday, observed in most parts of the "western world," I would've expected to see Rob - Nick & coalminer3! Maybe tomorrow.

Dave Don't be too hard on yourself - 40 lashes is a bit steep. How about penance in the form of another round for the bar[?] [tup][tup]

Good to see the continuing info flowing regarding hte Donner Pass. While I freely admit to much ignorance regarding the far western roads - other than knowing the more basic "stuff," I too aprpeciate the input. Good job! [tup]

Not sure that I follow you regarding the "recording industry," et al. Huh[?]

Glad you enjoyed the Gazette - it isn't so much that I'm looking for accolades as reaction to what was contained therein..

Okay - that's it fof me 'til the 'morrow! Boris ring the bell - a round on me! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[West Coast S]

Eveing Tom...My offer is good at all times, you knew that.. And yes I agree there has got to be a better way.

John and Al, I suspect the Donner Pass confusion stems from the fact that SPdid remove apx. seven miles of the orginal 1869 number one line in 1994, from Norton to Summit. There has been some talk among UP of relaying this missing link, Steep grades and a darth of traffic, plus cost of snow removal caused SP to expend all megar resources to maintain the newer, less steep number two track. Towards the last days, eastbound freight movements over the number one line were so infrequent as to bring out the local railfans and magazine coverage when a movement occured. There are also rumors, just rumors that if UP restores the Donner Pass line to full capacity they might be inclined to abandon the Feather River route.. Time will of course tell the tale. If UP has learned anything from the past they will seriously study any abndonment proposals prior to acting .

Off Subject, but the blatent attempt by the recording industry to promote their latest garbage as a attraction to the parade, just sickened me, some traditional events should not be a test lab to further the advance of social engineering. ... Well i'm off to the Rat's Patoot room to vent, Tom your responsible for posting a proper penality for my diversion from topic.. I feel better already...

Tom, 40 lashes for not commenting fantastic effort known as the Mentor Village Gazett. Great idea and a worthwhile addition to "Our Place".

Dave

[siberianmo]

Okay, it's time to continue on with what this place is all about - Classic Trains

Here's a NOSTALGIA piece I hope you will enjoy:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #51

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1963 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Sail away
to Europe in a Canadian Pacific White Empress. Come aboard at Montreal, and discover a 1000 miles of beauty as you sail up the St. Lawrence, past Québec’s historic Château Frontenac and on to Greenock and Liverpool.

Ride away
to the Canadian Rockies aboard Canada’s only scenic doomed streamliner, “The Canadian.” Discover 2,881 miles of spectacular scenery along the Banff-Lake Louise route as you cross Canada in streamlined comfort.

Hide away
at Banff Springs Hotel a mile high in the Canadian Rockies. You’ll enjoy gourmet food, gracious service. And you’ll find golf, tennis, swimming, fishing – every resort facility. Open May 31 to September 14.

Holiday all the way with Canadian Pacific
Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications. WORLD’S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day John

Glad I stuck around for a couple of minutes after my last - caught your Post. [tup]

I will most definitely take you up on a meeting one day at the Electric Station in Eugene. We seem to have quite a bit in common ..... [tup][tup]

Still haven't made it to The Mentor Village Gazette eh[?] Savor the Posts! [swg] You are a fine example of one who not only reads what has been put forth, but makes mention of them as well. Precisely my point these days (daze!).

Thanx for the round - Boris ring it! [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

How good is it to see Ted 'n Al stoppin' by[?] Real good! [tup][tup]

Glad you both enjoyed The Mentor Village Gazette - that's what the intent is and has been. [yeah] I'll have to "archive" your incessant use of C's, Sir Ted, perhaps for the next edition! [swg]

Al I knew we could count on you for a response to John's inquiry regarding the Donner Pass line! We have ways to "flush" you out of hiding! [swg]

Ted You can be kind, you can be tolerant and tame. You can be Ted, but you just cannot be Tom. And Tom has no patience today or all the tomorrows to come for those who continue to ignore our Precepts. I spend a considerable amount of my time trying to make this work for one and all who reciprocate in kind. For those who haven't got the time, why in the world stop in at all[?] Can't have it both ways.

When "bestowed" with the Order of the Stools - both levels a certain responsibility went along with it - to uphold the manner in which we conduct our business here. Reciprocity - inclusiveness - acknoweldgments - all of that. We have lost a few along the way, largely due to an inability to go along with what works 'round here. I expect to lose some others, but guess what[?] That's life. We all have choices. I'm sticking with mine.

Al That talk of double tracking the BNSF from the Golden State to the Land of Lincoln conjures up all kinds of "what ifs." Alas, never to be again. Those beautiful and frequent streamliners of yesteryear are but a memory to but a few. And the repopening of the Royal Gorge route - wouldn't that be terrific for passenger travedl[?] Fortunately we have "Our" Place to bring 'em to life! [tup]

Okay, Gents - appreciate your responsiveness and getting on board with the banter at the bar.

Thanx for the round, Al - Boris put Tex down - ring the bell, and get him outside for his "duty call." <phew>

Later! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[jlampke]

Afternoon Tom. A short visit during the lunch hour here.... I'll take an Absolute & grapefruit juice, and a round for the boyz, please. How about a smoked turkey & Swiss sub for lunch? [dinner] (No onions for me, please.)
I am still not 100% caught up here...... Which is why I haven't responded to the MVG yet.
To answer a couple questions though, the Electric Station is in fact the best place to eat in Eugene. Some interesting railroad history there, too. I always opt for the passenger cars. It just adds to the experience. In fact, if any of the boyz from Our Place ever pass through Eugene, look me up and we'll meet at the Electric Station. Good place for lunch or dinner. [dinner]
Two of my daughters were born in the Philippines. Diana (16 in July) is still there. I see her once or twice a year, usually. She came to Oregon last two summers to stay with us, then back to the P.I. for school.
Al; Thanks for the answer to my Donner Pass question. I'm sure I saw something a few years ago about the tracks over the summit and through the summit tunnel being removed. I sure hope you're right, and that wasn't true. It would be sad to see something that took so much effort and lives to build and is such a huge piece of Western Railroading history, tossed aside and abandoned by the UP.
I'd like to go to the re-enactment of the driving of the Golden Spike some day. Has anyone here ever attended that? [?]

Well, back to work. More later.

John

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

I really enjoyed the Mentor Village Gazette this AM and can really appreciate the work that went into it.

Sorry I have just been poking my head in briefly the last few days but gearing up for tax season in an office that does over 3000 returns out of the Stockton office and a like number out of the Merced office takes much preparation.

Did see the question raised about Donner Pass this AM and would like to report it is alive and well and the majority of traffic uses this line as well as the Feather River Canyon route. The latter bypasses Reno while the Donner Pass line is the one that was just rerouted through the new Reno Trench that eliminated the grade crossings through the heart of the city. Both routes into Salt Lake City are also heavily utilized as well with the old Western Pacific line the choice of Amtrak as is the Donner Pass line. Between Wells and Winnemucca the UP uses the former SP and WP lines as before the merger as a double track mainline. Most of the trains routed via Ogden are through trains to the east while those routed to Salt Lake City can also be through trains that add cars in Salt Lake City. Most through traffic to Denver takes the faster Overland route although traffic on the former D&RGW is heavy between Salt Lake City and Denver.

I personally would not be surprised to see the former Royal Gorge route reopen if traffic on the UP continues to grow. Cheaper than adding a third track across Wyoming.

I believe it is this year that the BNSF will complete its double tracking of ita mainline between California and Chicago and this will increase traffic between the Golden State and the windy City.

TTFN Al

[Anonymous]

Hi Tom, I think I can safely imbibe in a Crown and soda w/twist this fine day, thanks. I was in before but ran into snag which still has me scratching my head.[banghead] I trust the recent mining accident is well away from our esteemed CM3? Dan, the banks hereabouts are closed today (Monday Jan. 2, 06). First thing tomorrow, I'll be knocking down the door to get snail mail moving.[tup] I can't "get over" how busy that section of the BNSF mainline is around Springfield. "Never a dull moment," eh?

There is a new dimension added for 2006 at "Our" Place thanks to some very innovative ideas on the part of Tom and his editorial staff. The Mentor Village Gazette and the "reopening" of the Village "movie house," Emporium on January 9th, should add a much wider "brush" with which to paint future posts.[^] The scandalous "cover up" involving the Second National Bank and Vito "the hit," plus Inspector Clueless's canvasing of carpet culprits cavorting in contraban contiguous to Can-Am consignments can only conculde in court STOP, STOP IT ALREADY! Oh, [v]sorry gang.

West Coast S Dave, I'll wager that I speak for Rob as well as for myself in thanks for including the Pacific Electric along with the "Rose Trains" information.[tup] I watched the T.V. coverage a good hour earlier today. And, no matter the weather, this is still a premier event each year.[:D] I see the railroad tradition is still honored with the Ontario, CA Float emulating a 1800s steam loco with citrus from the "Golden State." That was a nice "touch" indeed.[^] Hey John, yes the San diego area bristles with points of interest for military and model RRing alike.[tup] I had hoped to retire there but the "cost of living" is out of my league. Concur with Tom's assessment of Balboa Park, truly a "must see" when in the "***" area.

"Ah, the anxt carries into the New Year!" Perhaps a New Year's "resolution" for 2006 would put this to rest?[(-D] There are those among our members who simply are not able to pursue an avocation with the limited leisure time shared with family and "outside" friends and other interests. Then, there are those that don't care one Iota, but one should be spared the wrath for the other, don'tcha think? Well, CM3, everything is shaping up very well for your [bday] bash on the 6th of January. If some of the decorations appear similar to the New Year's Eve stuff, it is no coincidence. The "Tub" cache is running below the "ring" lately and some "cuts" had to be made. Okay, that's it from mich (German) this day BROONG, thanks Boris, "I needed that."[:(!] Happy rails all and G'day.

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

At the get-go, I want to thank those of you who stuck with me through the holidays. It was a bit of a chore keeping things “up on the Forum” and at times I know that all I accomplished was talking to myself. However, having frequent Posts from a couple of guys each day, helped keep ME going. That’s what it takes ‘round here, Gents – an effort. My comments are only being addressed to those of you who have maintained the precepts of ”Our” Place:

(1) Greet the barkeep upon entering.
(2) Order a drink and/or food.
(3) Acknowledge the Posts of others.
(4) Be inclusive in your remarks.

Hit ‘n run Posts and Posters are unwelcome and really need to take it elsewhere. [tdn]

From the looks of things ‘round here, there’s no point in going through it all again regarding getting the most current information when logging on. Some things never change – even though time marches on! <grin>

Oh, before I forget: wanswheel Mike your Email was received and my Post was appropriately corrected, near the top of page 208! Thanx. [tup] Are you willing to take on a ‘staff’ job ‘round here[?] I’m in need of some help and greatly appreciate your attention to detail. That goes a long way with me.

Some acknowledgments:

jlampke John
Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 01:22:22

Good to read your Post, John and appreciate your inclusive response and informative “stuff.” [tup]

I think it better to defer to perhaps West Coast S Dave regarding that question you have regarding the Donner Pass line. Perhaps passengerfan Al will chime in as well on this. These two guys are our California Aficionados!

Mt. Pinatubo brings back some memories. The Philippines and their people have always occupied a special place for me. Served with many a good shipmate and sailor who called those islands home. I’m wondering how many in this day and age even remember the disaster wrought by that volcano[?] Was the beginning of the end of U.S. military presence over there, politics notwithstanding. Terrible loss for all.

Thanx very much for the endorsement of our Birthday Watch List! It has worked quite well since establishing it many, many pages ago (watching this Mike [?] [swg]) Anyway, the one drawback is ginning up the motivation amongst the guys to organize and hold a Bash! I’ve seen guys who have had great celebrations at our bar, completely blow off others. [yeah] The centric few have a way of ruining even the best of intentions. I for one wi***hey would take it somewhere else. Who needs that crap[?] Ah, the anxt continues into the New Year!

So the Eugene area is home, eh [?] Lucky you! One highlight of my time there was dining at The Oregon Electric Station at 5th & Willamette. Still there[?] Of course I always opted to dine in the renovated antique dining cars rather than the “traditional” dining room. All that was missing was the motion! [swg] Love that place – politics aside of course.

When in San Diego I always take the time to visit Balboa Park and the museums located within it. A highlight for me is the N-scale model railroad at the MRR museum. Amazing piece of work fer sure, fer sure. My guess is that they have the largest N-scale layout in the world in that place. Well worth the time. [tup]

I see you missed viewing The Mentor Village Gazette this morning. If you require some help with getting to view the most current “stuff” when logging in, let me know. It’s really a shame to start off a Posting without having benefit of the latest info.

West Coast S Dave
Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 01:27:22

So the “mystery man” has returneth, eh[?] Appreciate your offer – but your round didn’t “work,” as we were CLOSED on SUNDAY and right up til 6 AM today. Of course, you really knew that, eh[?] [swg]

I see you are picking up right where you left off several weeks – perhaps months ago – with a great narrative regarding those Rose trains! Didn’t know any of it and appreciate the effort. [tup][tup]

You too missed The Mentor Village Gazette eh[?] Pity. There just has to be a better way.

earlydiesels Dan
Posted: 02 Jan 2006, 09:24:00

Finally! Someone read The Mentor Village Gazette! Glad you and your bride enjoyed it! [tup] Sure, we do have a good time ‘round here, that is if one is willing to engage in the banter. Life is far too short to be tied up in knots over things one cannot control. A great lesson I wi***hat I could master! [swg]

Hope we see a bit more of you ‘round here, Dan for you are a valued customer! [tup] See ya at the movies! <grin>


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Theodorebear me too! @# $%&
A thunderstorm went through here last night and knocked out my computer. The modem doesnt respond at all. Im having to use someone elses computer to get on line. [:(!]
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