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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 6:01 AM
Rob, your unknown museum is the Fox River Trolley Museum located along the Fox River in South Elgin. The car on the left is a 1926 No. 7 Pullman passenger coach, which was not lengthened during WWII. The car to the right is the No. 14, which was lengthened 17'5" during WWII. It is an open window car.



Here's their link! [:I]http://www.foxtrolley.org/
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 5:27 AM
More pix of the layouts in the Hancock Tower


Is it a bird … a plane … a frog? Find Superman and Spiderman

This little Santa climbs up and down the ladder with his string of lights

There’s a Batcave in this layout


Christmas layouts running the ceilings at Butch’s



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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 5:25 AM
For Rob, a free Chicago trolley in front of the Water Tower


Photos of the layouts in the lower level of the Hancock Tower, Chicago 2005





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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, January 8, 2006 1:05 AM
here's batch number 2. These are from the august trip to Chi town. In this case all these photo's were snapped in an hour span at Jolliet Union station.
Enjoy Rob



Metra calling at Union



Iowa interstate transfer run





Two shots of ICG train at Jolliet sporting home rebuilt "Paducah" Geeps







Three ATSF trains heading through



Whats this a passenger train at Union station,how quaint!
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:51 AM
So the first shots up for today are a set of pictures I took in May and August of 1995 on a pair of railfaning trips to Chicago and area with a couple of friends .
Enjoy Rob





A couple of shots of Soo Line GP9's switching near the airport.



A group of CN&W GP7's doing their thing.



My first traction photo. This is a museum near St Charles.not sure who or what



GT GP40 pulling a transfer towards Canada at Delray JCT in Detroit
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:40 AM
Good evening Tom and all the boyz at the bar. I'll have a CR aand a round for those left standing as well. Now Boris, I told you that I only gave you that surplus PCC bell for use as the doorbell for your kennel shed. You know it confuses Ted when you use it early in the morning,besides it's keeping Tom up late at night. Bad [alien] I see that you cleaned the paint off Tex the white cotton spats you made for him seem a bit over the top though.


Tom Not to worry many rounds of blue and other colours [:O][swg] will be available on the 11th no fear.Nice to see a busy sat again, and one with alot of great onfo at that. This is a good thing as it gives us more archieves to pull Encores from.[tup]

Yesterdays jokes did have a certain something, I agree with mike they tended to leave a bad smell once in a while.[;)]

Glad that you "recycled" a GN piece, it's bound to create some chat I woulod think, did the first time round anyway.[tup]

Ted Quite amazing isn't it that so many could sufficate in the same tunnel. Makes you wonder aloud if what they were paid was truly worth it. I'll forgoe the barrel of Bloody Mary's though [xx(] speacially after CM3's bash.

Dave Nice info on the Salt lake. That midpoint bridge / crew structure must have been something. You don't happen to have a photo or two of it do you ? Great info all around sir, I look forward to the next PE installments as well, if they are like the last ones you did we are all in for a treat. [tup]


Mike Wonderfull story on the Euro electrics some good info there. You are too kind with your praise of my writings. Most is gleaned from those who went before me in some cases,I just give the high lights. Some of it can be quite dry. UI'm not ready to become an author yet, I'll leave that to our more literarily sound members Al & CM3 .

Doug Wonderfull new tidbits from you today sir. Interesting to see how the pay scales have changed over the years. Alot of the rules aren't neccesarily all that different either,shows me that the railroading trade hasn't changed all that much in the last 90 years or so. Interesting info on Russia as well. Something I did not know of to be sure. I wonder how many of those Americans stayed on permanently. I would imagine, primitive or not that the Americans got Royal treatment while they were there. A Russina govt. of the time would want to score world points on how well they treated their erstwhile enemies,likely they showcased the happy westerners working away with their Russian counterparts.

Well folks that catches me up fer now. Here's hoping for a good photo turnout today, I'll start it off in a moment.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:36 AM


SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


We are CLOSED on Sundays! However, today is Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, dig through those albums and share some Classic Trains (real and model) with us! [tup][tup]


We open at 6 AM tomorrow, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Daily Wisdom

I usually take a two-hour nap from 1 to 4. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Tomorrow is the Grand Re-opening of The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre! Box office opens at 5 PM (Central time.) Double feature with a live stage show in between the flicks! [yeah]

(2) Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day” at the bar. Time for all model railroad hobbyists to discuss and display a couple of pix. [tup]

(3) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite! and maybe something from Chief Chef Nick [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

(4) Friday is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 00:36:52 (213) Saturday Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 07:07:31 (213) AM report!

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 07:39:47 (213)AM report!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 09:45:03 (213) Hours & Food Service at “Our” Place

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 09:50:38 (213) Top 15 Contributors

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 09:52:59 (213) Cast of Characters

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 12:08:39 (213) Informative Post

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 12:21:30 (213) RR Book Relay

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 13:16:08 (213) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 13:21:21 (213) NOSTALGIA – Fallen Flag GN

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 13:27:18 (213) Wages and Rules, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 15:19:49 (214) Order of the Stools

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 15:30:08 (214) Oooops!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 15:51:19 (214) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 15:59:21 (214) Inclusive Post, etc.

(16) West Coast S Dave Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 16:46:57 (214) Informative Post, etc.

(17) barndad Doug Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 17:35:42 (214) Wages and Rules, etc.

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 18:52:46 (214) Acknowledgments, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:52 PM
G’day Gents!

Some acknowledgments before settling in for an evening of watching NFL football (it’s only the Playoffs that really captivate my attention these daze!). Can’t say that I’m happy or sad regarding the outcome of the first game today – but Tampa surely should have won it, given those mistakes in the first quarter. Oh well, win some, lose some and some are rained out (a baseball “thing”!).


wanswheel Mike
Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 15:59:21


This is one of those responses where it will appear that I will appear contrary to what has been Posted: Nothing personal, but …..

Blue grass and “country” music isn’t something just for Southerners or from the south. The origins of that music can be traced to several European sources – Ireland and Scotland being just two. Check out the music of Atlantic Canada (Maritime Provinces) and the ‘sounds’ are very familiar indeed. Stereotypes, perhaps fostered by the media, “do it” every time.

Don’t know whether you are being serious or humorous, however – the book is hardly “treasured.” I’d rather keep the $100 bill and take my chances! You are welcome to participate, of course. I expect the RR Book Relay to be fun and successful.

The jokes weren’t “mine” per se – they were “lifted” from web sources, so I take neither credit nor blame for them. However, apparently they succeeded by invoking a response or three. [swg]

Enjoyed the URL on the high speed rail info, most of which is contained in many U.S. writings and has been for decades. Problem is, our Congress simply has not and will not get off their collective duffs to put forth a viable 21st Century transportation plan which would address nation’s need for efficient, rapid, safe and cost-effective mass movement of people and things. That’s my take on it.

Finally, in 1953 on an eastbound cross-country rail trip from California, I too crossed the Great Salt Lake by train. Happened!

West Coast S Dave
Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 16:46:57


Thanx for the round (again)! [tup] Perhaps one day you will be able to provide us with some of your rail photo’s – sounds like your property is in a place where we’d all enjoy the viewing. Appreciate your participation on this Saturday – a most active weekend day for you! [tup]

barndad Doug
Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 17:35:42


Yet another Post on this weekend day. What’s up, been “banished” from the museum[?][swg] No complaints, mind you, just never can figure when we will or will not have a “full house” ‘round here on Saturdays! Appreciate your participation! [tup][tup] Also, thanx for the round and explanation regarding those Michigan quarters! [swg] I don’t think there is one of the 50 states that invokes that kind of feeling in me that you have for The Great Lakes State – Mitten State – Winter Wonderland and Wolverine State! [swg]

I have to “save up” the long Posts for tomorrow’s reading during Sunday Photo Posting Day!


Later!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:35 PM
Evening again Tom and friends. I'll have a quick draft, and please set-up a round on me. As a former OSU kolidge stoodint, I am obliged to not have anything to do with M.... (I can't say the word) ... that state up North. That's why I cheerfully donate all my Michigan (I said the word!) quarters to the coal scuttle.

Ted, I did not hunt that electric deer .... I swiped it! And Mike, I don't believe there is such a thing as an expiration date on a Twinkie.

.. and now .... for more 1931 rule info ...

From the pages of “The Railway Conductor” September 1931

Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company, March 17th, 1894

Wages and Rules Governing the Employment of Conductors and Flagmen, Baggagemen, and Brakemen General Rules

1. Callers will be kept at all points where, in the judgment of the head of the department, it is necessary to call conductors and brakemen. Men to be called at their regularly registered residences, and as nearly practicable two hours before leaving time of trains. Each man, when called, to sign call book showing time called and departing time of train called for. Distance limits for calling not to exceed one mile from starting point of caller, but no caller will be furnished for men assigned to regular runs, except by special agreement.

2. When conductors and brakemen are held for duty, and for any cause other than their own acts do not go out, if held on duty three hours or less, they will be paid for three hours at the rate of ten miles per hour, and stand out first. If held on duty for more than three hours and less than five hours, they will be paid for five hours at the same rate per hour and stand first out. If held on duty more than five hours, they shall be paid for ten hours at same rate of pay per hour, and go behind all other crews at that point.

3. When men are notified (before reporting) that they will not be wanted, no time will be allowed.

4. Conductors and brakemen of work trains when held for duty, will be paid for six hours if they work six hours or less; if over six hours and less than ten hours, they will be paid for ten hours; over ten hours, they will be paid prescribed rate per hour. To be paid for noon hour if worked. Conductors and brakemen of work trains being called upon to handle merchandise train on the same day, will be paid number of hours they work as per rule No. 4 on Work Trains, and be paid actual mileage on merchandise traffic.

5. Trainmen deadheading under orders on passenger of freight train will be paid one-half their regular rate.

6. The number of men to be employed with each crew on train shall be determined by the superintendent.

7. Trainmen acting as witnesses attending court on legal cases or in similar service to the company, will be allowed no dead-head mileage, but will be allowed a full day’s pay for each twenty-four hours absent from duty; fractional days at proportionate rate, but in no case less than one full day.

8. If any trainman has been taken off his train for any cause, he shall be granted a thorough investigation with the privilege of requesting the attendance of all material witnesses to the cause for which his suspension has been made. He may also have one other trainman present at the investigation, and shall have the right to appeal to the general officers of the road. Decision will be given five days after appeal. Investigation will be made in five days after suspension. If found not guilty of the charge, he will receive pay for all time lost.

9. All employees entering or remaining in the service of the company thereby agree to obey and be governed by any and all rules of the company.

10. The rules and regulations of the company are for the guidance of all concerned, and for the safe and prompt dispatch of the company’s business and care of its property. It is of the utmost importance, to make these rules efficient, that they shall be absolutely enforced, and all those unwilling to yield a cheerful and full obedience thereto are not expected to remain in service.

11. It is the purpose of this company to reward long service by promotion. In making promotions, the oldest employee will be promoted, provided his record is good, and also provided he has not been notified by the trainmaster or superintendent previous to the time of possible promotion that he is, in their judgment not fitted for higher duties. The oldest trainman in the employ of the company to have preference if competent and worthy. The trainmaster or superintendent to be the judge, with the right of the applicant for promotion to appeal to the general officers, provided prejudice is alleged.



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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, January 7, 2006 4:46 PM
Once again Tom..Round for you, I also need to acknowledge a proper welcome to some unfamilar (to me) faces as well as us who have been here since the early days. Welcome all, glad to meet you.

Wanswheel, You would have traversed the causeway, I too can vouch that the scenery gets boring in the area, dulling the brain to all other activities, salt as far as the eye can see and wherein a telephone pole gains new significence that you indeed were not transported to a distant, alien planet.

I have some property in Montello NV, so can be found in the area once a year as time permits, Montello has a rich history of serving the CP/SP, during the steam to early diesel era as it was a important helper station for westbounds asscending the Pequop mountains, once equipped with a sizeable yard, eight engine coal dock (from the coal burning era on the CP/SP) and six stall enginehouse with carshops.

Passenger power was rountinely changed out along with crews and new orders obtained. Nearby Cobre NV, was an important interchange with the Navada Northern Copper RR. (carefull where you tread in this area, shotgun wielding residents are leary of all visitors, don't ask how I discovered this bit of local flavor). On my first visit in 1978 only the water tank, freight station and a passing siding remained, the tank served as the water source for the eleven residents of the town. Upon the UP takeover, not much changed operationally from the old days, UP did raze the station and the water tank gave way to county supplied wells many years later, the siding also came up. UP does maintain track workers and inspectors at Montello, with the pending service hours worked rules change, it could once again be a crew change point.

Rob, I hear your needs, i'm got some PE subjects in the works that i'll post once the research phase is completed.

Barndad, like your rules/reg info, SP had a rule forbiding the flushing of sewage tanks when crossing open deck bridgework in which persons responsible for safe operation of desginated structure could be present, under or adjancent to said structure.. A very usefull rule in my book.

Ok Boris, behave yourself and refain from those expired Twinkies no matter what you've been told to the contrary, expired bean dip with stale fruit Loops, ok, but not the Twinkies, I had a bad trip with expired Twinkies in the seventies, ooh all the pretty colors, they move too!!

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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:59 PM
Hi Tom and everyone. Steak & Fries? Okay, and a round of milk to wash down those Hostess creme-filled filled cupcakes. Questionable expiration date, Doug, but a junk-food fix is seldom declined.

No roots in the South but I love bluegrass and old-time country music. I listen right now as I type this: http://bluegrasscountry.org/

Tom your jokes were so awful I had to set the computer outdoors to air it out.
When you posted the second batch is when the porch collapsed. The dogs are okay, they have sense enough to evacuate the area when I log in here.

The idea of sending a treasured book on an odyssey through the mail is very generous but risky. A simple typo by anyone, a wrong digit, "St." instead of "Ave." and the book could be lost. Need to do a dry run first. Start with something of no sentimental value, maybe a crisp $100 bill (to celebrate Ben Franklin's 300th birthday, Jan. 17). We could each in turn autograph it and mail it on to the next person. (I would keep Vito in the dark about this, if possible).

Ted, I believe I saw the movie you mentioned with Joel McCrea and, if I'm not mistaken, Veronica Lake. They were in a boxcar, right? "Sullivan's Travels."
McCrea also star of Cecil B. DeMille's "Union Pacific."

Dave, I remember Great Salt Lake from 1960 trip on the Challenger. As I recall, the lake was right there, but I don't remember the train going across the lake on a bridge or causeway. Maybe I missed something. Probably my eyes were glued to one window on one side of the train. Also it was very long ago.

Rob you ought to have a larger readership, so much of what you post is solid history of Canada, apart from the fact that it is specific to trains. Bombardier is mentioned in New York Times article last week:
"KREFELD, Germany -- Even more high-speed trains? Europe must be kidding.
In one vast hall, workers in blue overalls are putting the finishing touches on what would, on an old-fashioned train, be a locomotive, except that it houses a spacious conference room with a large table and seven comfortable armchairs.
In an adjacent hall, others are attaching what look like ordinary wheel trucks to a rail car, except that these contain electric motors that will essentially do the locomotive's job of pulling the train...." http://servicios.invertia.com/foros/read.asp?idMen=1003405257&comp2=CAC+40&idtel_comp=IB022CAC
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:51 PM
G'day Gents!

Amazing information in that Post of yours, Doug. You seem to have a never ending source for some pretty interesting RR history. Much appreciated! [tup][tup]

Dave Takes a big man to "own up to a mistake," and a bigger one to do so for all to see! [tup][tup] 'Nuf said.

Hmmmmm, a round of my choice would probably put the guyz on their heels in short order - so let's just keep it simple and make it refills all around! Boris Ring it! Thanx, Dave!

Doug I received your Email and responded to it - thanx. You will be first on the RR Book Relay. Also, your Birthday has been added to the revised Birthday Watch List! Thanx! ][tup][tup]

Dave Some mighty good "stuff" in your recent Posts. As always, keeping us intrigued is part of your talent. [swg]

Later Gents!

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:30 PM
Afternoon again Tom and the gang...Tom this round on me, your'e choice...

I must admit to leaving my social graces under a rock...Happy belated birthday CM3, gets to be that I sometimes concentrate on the single tree at the expense of the entire forest..Tom you do a fantasic job maintaing "Our Place" and I for one much commend your efforts.. As, usual Tom, excellent series on the fallen flags.

Until later

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:19 PM
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For the benefit of those who are new or who have forgotten, the The Order of the Stools is ”Our” Place’s way of recognizing those customers who have demonstrated their willingness to participate and contribute to the success of this cyber bar ‘n grill in an inclusive and continuing manner.

The designation CHARTER MEMBER refers to customers who visited on the opening day of “Our”Place – April 12th, 2005.

The designation Regular Customer goes to those who Post regularly (at least several times per week over a given period) AND are inclusive with their responses. This is not a permanent designation and can change with participation.


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:27 PM
Good afternoon Tom and gang. I'll have a bottomless draught, and drink to the book exchange idea. What a great idea! I'll e-mail my address as soon as I'm done here! Yeah. I know that those Russian jobs must have looked real good to some out-of-work railmen, but I picture a pretty lousy existence for those individuals forced to take those jobs. It's interesting reading this 1931 publication, and their take on the relatively simple solutions to getting this country back on its feet. They had no idea that things were to become much worse, or that the depression would last so long.

Nice couple of posts Dave. You really make me feel like visiting Utah! Very inspiring reading indeed.

I've been a good grandson this a.m., and picked-up my grandmother for breakfast, and took her to see the IRM. Even though it's closed, there is still a lot to see. We went into the diesel barn so she could see where I spend my time, and she saw the drop table I spent months needle chipping. She remembers some train travel when she was younger, but didn't really have any stories to share.

Speaking of sharing ... perhaps the following might be of interest:

From the pages of “The Railway Conductor” September 1931

Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company, March 17th, 1894

Wages and Rules Governing the Employment of Conductors and Flagmen, Baggagemen, and Brakemen

Through Passenger Service
Conductors ………….. $100 per month
Baggagemen ………… $57.50 per month
Baggagemen, on trains 5 and 6, who handle baggage and express $ 60 per month
Brakemen …………… $48.00 per month

Suburban
Conductors ………….. $95 per month
Brakemen …………… $52.50 per month
Flagmen …………….. $45 per month

St. Louis Division
Conductors …………. $90 per month
Baggagemen ……….. $50 per month

Through Freight Service
Conductors …………. $3 per 100 miles
Baggagemen ……….. $2 per 100 miles

Local or Way Freight Runs
Conductors …………. $85 per month
Brakemen …………… $57.50 per month

Work Trains
Conductors ………….. $0.28 per hour
Brakemen …………… $0.18 per hour

Men paid by the month on regular assigned runs will be paid extra for extra service outside their regular runs at rates governing such service. Momence crews running as turn-arounds will be allowed actual mileage – one hundred miles per round trip – overtime after 10 hours. Pilots to be paid for at rate of service the man or men were taken from. Eight hours rest to be given to crews after having been on duty sixteen hours or more. Clinton or Grape Creek mine runs to be paid the same rates as local. Brakemen to be allowed one hour each for coaling engines when away from terminals. Time slips to be returned when the time is not allowed, and reason to be given for not allowing the same.

One hundred miles or less, or ten hours or less to constitute a day’s work, except as herein qualified.

On such runs as Shelbyville, Rossville-Sidell Branch, the Cissna Park runs and the La Crosse Branch, where switch engines have not been in use, trainmen will be required to do switching when necessary in order to make 10 hours’ time without extra compensation.

(Examples:-- From Danville to Shelbyville is ninety miles; on every run they may be required to switch one hour at Shebyville – as there is no switch engine there – without extra compensation, provided the ten hours’ time is not exceeded; and on runs of eighty miles, two hours’ switching time will be required under the same conditions.)

On local runs between Chicago and Momenee (fifty miles), one day – one hundred miles – will be allowed for each trip.

No overtime will be paid for passenger service. Overtime at the rate of 30 and 20 cents per hour will be allowed conductors and brakemen in freight service only after an average of ten hours after each hundred miles service had been performed; computations to be made monthly. Time will be allowed in freight service from time set to departure of trains by schedule or otherwise, and will end when men are relieved from duty. Round trips or doubling runs will be considered as continuous service.

Trips or service commenced on one calendar day and not completed until the following day will be considered as made on the day on which commenced. Thirteen hours shall be considered a day’s work on all local runs.



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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:21 PM
. . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 136)

Great Northern(GN)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage:

1950: 8,220

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 642

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 39,055
Passenger cars: 579

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND
Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND
Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN
Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN
Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle)
Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA
Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT
Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT
Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR

Passenger trains of note:

Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA)
Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND)
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC)
Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:16 PM
G’day Gents!

Here we are, Saturday and a delightful rather clear and warming afternoon in mid-continent USA. Don’t even want to discuss the Petrol prices up at “Collusion Corner!” UP is the word for the day! [tdn] is the sentiment! <frown>

A statement from the Proprietor:

Gentlemen of the bar! Some of you are not reading the SUMMARIES and perhaps all of the Posts as well – and it shows!. Two significant “glitches” were revealed yesterday when some glaring omissions in recognition were made. Emails have been sent to each.

A reminder to one and all is in order: Recognition from me will be provided to customers only upon evidence that they are willing to acknowledge the other guy and be inclusive with responses. I can understand an occasional ‘slip,’ but when an event has been “advertised” for weeks in the daily SUMMARIES and mentioned repeatedly in Posts from me and others, and still gets ignored, I’d say that is indefensible behavior. Simply put – take it somewhere else if you are unwilling to participate fully with us.

Continuing on, I sincerely appreciate the efforts put forth by those of you who helped make CM3’s Birthday Bash! a success! [tup][tup][tup] There is a strong nucleus keeping this bar ‘n grill functioning and should it come down to just a few, well so be it! At least we’ll know that there is a place to stop in at where the conversation flows freely with reciprocity and inclusiveness prevailing! To blazes with those who march to a drum no one else can hear!

It saddens me to note that a couple of guys who had parties didn’t show up at all. What does that say[?] Not very much in my book. Surely diminishes my opinion of them and that’s the sad part.

To some acknowledgments:

barndad Doug
Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 07:07:31


You are a sick man, barndad Doug! [swg] Ho-Ho’s, Twinkies and beer[?] <Good grief!> Just the thought makes me want to . . . . laugh!

I’ll let you all in on a “secret,” I KNOW CM3’s real name – however, it is up to him to reveal it! And by the by, CM2 may very well have been his Daddy’s name! [swg]

You know, in my take of history, those 10,000 jobs offered by Russia to America came at a time when this country, and the world, suffered from quite an economic set back. All those jobs in a country who had a population much larger than the U.S., but not the expertise to modernize its rail system. Isn’t that the way it goes[?] Throughout our history, we have done this and more over and over, only to have it rammed into where the sun doesn’t shine! Interesting reading – thanx! [tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 07:39:47


I’m not too sure that having you navigate subway platforms, late at night, is a good idea. Especially upon leaving this place after a Bash! The Mentor Village Yellow Taxi and Final Resting Place Limo Service is owned and operated by . . . you guessed it: Vito the Hit! I’d say you got off lucky with only the “minimum charge!” Methinks they like you, Mr. Trombonist! [swg]

So, you think that Elk is rather forlorn, eh[?] Perhaps so, but to me, he’s thinking, “What a great looking train! This is one of those times I wish I had thumbs!” [swg] I’ll be changing SUMMARY pix on a weekly basis. Thanx for noticing – you are the first and only to do so! So, what else is new[?] [swg]

Picked up on a little something you mentioned – is your Passport really expired[?] Last time I renewed mine it took about 7 weeks and the office where it was processed was in New Orelans. So, you’ve got plenty of time to get it taken care of before heading to Canada. Yes, no matter what you have heard or been told, they do request Passports and I’ve seen many an American shuffled off to the side because they “didn’t know.” Drivers licenses and retired military ID doesn’t get it anymore.

Your Email response has been received and responded to - Thanx! [tup]


Okay, Gents, back to taking care of business at the home front and here on this Saturday afternoon!


Later!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:21 PM
I have an idea!

Several months ago, a friend sent me a book featuring pictures of some fantastic railroads throughout the world. As time has passed, I have been thinking that we could have some fun with this book by sending it to one another, with it ultimately being returned to me. So here’s the deal:

(1) If you would like to participate in this RR Book Relay send me your mailing address by Email. As always, I guarantee strict confidentiality, and will use it only for the purpose of forwarding the book.

(2) Once received and read, the recipient MUST make a comment or two inside the front cover, including the date received and from whom. (ex: Received from Tom on Jan 28th, 2006. Particularly enjoyed …….)

(3) I will ensure that all participants receive the mailing address for the next mailing.

(4) The last person on the “list,” then sends the book back to me.

What do you think[?] Sounds like fun to me![tup][tup][tup]


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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:08 PM
Morning Tom and the gang...Coffee and some Mentor Bakery goodies if you please.

Ted and the enjoyment of all.. Midlake was at the exact halfway point, built onto the side of the bridgework, many stories have been passed down of life at Midlake, severe storms and salt laden winds and generally unpredictable track conditions and zero visibility weather often required track walkers to proceed on foot ahead of every train, how's that for a job? Restricted to 15 mph, it took some time to complete the crossing. In 1983 heavy runoff and severe rain caused the lake to expand to such a point that the causeway had to be raised thirteen feet, the contractor hired to do the job was unable to stem the tide, Utah installed massive pumps to divert water to the normally dry salt flats, meanwhile SP detoured over the former WP line, until the pumping threatened this line as well.
SP brought in the Donner Pass snow fighters to contain the flooding and stabalize the causeway, they got the job done in forty two days, reopening long shuttered quarry pits and relaying a portion of the orginal line to Corrain to get to the pits, Montello NV, on the western shore became ground zero for the stagging of equiptment and workers, endless trains of boulders, gravel and rip-rap moved 24/7, Santa Fe and Chicago North Western side dump and ballast cars were leased to augment the Southern Pacific's and contractor supplied equiptment, , long unused maintaince of way equiptment was resurected, SD7/9s-geep nines were reassigned to handle the work specials and Jorden spreaders were brought in to plow out the mud and muck, now you know why the Donner Pass Snow fighters were assigned the task. To add insult to injury, Donner had a record snowfall that year caused by the same front that had wreaked such havoc in Utah that added to the manpower shortage and taxed availible equiptment, patience and dollars to the limit.

The orginal trestle was anchored by Goat Island and Promotory Point, so there were a few sections of dry land to which the residents of Midlake could flee in an emergency as did occure a few times in its history.
Built of stout redwood, salvaged from closed California Mines, the salvaged rights were sold for a mere dollar.

I recommend a trip to the area, the former right of way is maintained by the county as rural roads for ranchers. The National Parks service has desginated Goat Island as a perserve for migrating birds and at Promotory a one mile section of track was built for the 1969 centenial and a replica Jupiter and 119 operate in the summer for the pleasure of vistors, you can even view a reinactment of the driving of the gold spike and interpetive signs to guide the vbisitor abound on the former, historic route.

Well, looks like i'm needed elsewhere at the moment. Borris that BETTER be coffee!!

Until later

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:52 AM
And my last Post for this morning, again for those who take the time to read these Posts:

The Cast of Characters from ”Our” Place

siberianmo Tom is the Proprietor and head bartender. [4:-)][oX)]

Theodorebear Ted is the Manager.

nickinwestwales Nick is Chief Chef. [C=:-)]

trolleyboy Rob is the Bar Chandler.

Boris is - well, he’s Boris who works in the kitchen and anywhere else needed. He was hired by Nick, Chief Chef and is assistant cook. He’s not too hard to spot, as Boris is not of this world. Kinda difficult to maintain eye contact with him. He’s playful and unaware of his strength. We do not permit him to tend bar – however, he loves to ring the bell when a round is purchased.

Tex the Armadillo is Boris’ pet!

Awk the Parrot is Tom's pet!

Leon the Night Man is Tom’s relief behind the bar around 9 PM or so, Central Time. He closes up. He’s easily recognized by his rather large size, enormous hands, and shiny brand new Jump Boots. Leon also serves as Doorman and Bouncer for special events and may be seen in a tuxedo – with Jump Boots of course.

Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his earstwhile friend and companion Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator make up the security force ‘round here.

The Gals of “Our Place” are:

Ruth the redhead – Ann the blonde – Lucy the brunette and Jemima the raven haired beauty. These gals were found and hired by Tom and named by Nick. They work evenings, pretty much anywhere in the place, Thursday thru Saturday, and special events. Look, but don’t touch – at least not while on duty!

Then there’s Cindy with the auburn hair. She’s a faculty member from the Mentor Village all female University – right up the road. She’s not paid, but loves to volunteer her services either behind the bar – for me – or in the kitchen, with Nick. She’s also active in the local Victoria’s Secret lingerie shows …….

Then of course, there are all of YOU!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:50 AM
And another "refresher" for those who read the Posts at "Our" Place!

The Top 15 Contributors to ”Our” Place through Page 200:
(figures in brackets denote number at Page 100)

1st Theodorebear Ted 363 [199] (includes previous cyber names used at ”Our” Place)
2nd trolleyboy Rob 359 [155]
3rd nickinwestwales Nick 264 [120]
4th passengerfan Al 261 [146]
5th West Coast S Dave 120 [71]
6th Gunns Kevin 116 [89]
7th Trainnut484 Russell 115 [83]
8th coalminer3 CM3 103 [37]
9th earlydiesels Dan 100 [73]
10th pwolfe Pete 100 [32]
11th barndad Doug 95 [33]
12th wrwatkins *** 73 [58]
13th CFournier 71 [61]
14th BudKarr 46
15th ftwNSengineer P 37

Proprietor: 1593 [789]

Thanx to all for making this the place to be for Classic Trains information, conversation and good times! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:45 AM
Good Morning!

To kick off this ENCORE! Saturday, here's a refresher for one and all regarding "Our" Place!

The Hours and Food Service at "Our" Place

We open at 6 AM - Monday thru Saturday - close when the last man standing has departed (or fallen!).

CLOSED on SUNDAY's and CHRISTMAS Day

The Food Service at ”Our” Place –

Monday thru Saturday: Light and Traditional breakfasts – bakery goods from The Mentor Village Bakery and sandwiches all day long made from the freshest lunchmeats in the county along with freshly baked bread for the grinders/hoagies/heros/subs……

.... NO evening meals Monday thru Wednesday.

Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips nite and Nick’s Picks or whatever our Chief Chef [C=:-)] conjures up!

Friday: Pizza nite – steak ‘n fries and…….

Saturday: Steak ‘n fries and ……..

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment![4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:39 AM
Good mornin' all of you "walk and wounded" from the Bash. Not to worry, Tom made a large cauldron of Bloody Marys for "sick call" as each post celebrant arrives, Cheers.[:O] I'm having a Berliner jelly filled tort and green tea this a.m. Tom. Hmmm, $12.60 seems excessive for a taxi ride of 3 blocks to my house. He must have taken the "Gorge route."[:(!] Sure will be glad when I can take the 'D' train instead.[^] Saturday, so it must be steak and Pizza. I'll order a deep dish "wit da woiks" later.

Barndad, that field dressed Deer is a Doe (out of season) better "pull the plug" before Warden MacTavish sees it.[swg] Yet another good reason for an "adult only environment." Don't need no irrate Mommas calling the S.P.C.A. when Junior complains about "Bambi."[:D] Looking forward to the "Railroad Conductor" series. I was lucky to know (casually) a Pensy passenger Conductor on the N.E. Corridor while living in MD. Wow, the srories he could tell, 'nough to embaress a Bedouin.[}:)] Rob, it is good to know that at least some remnant of the original TSR still survives and in the good hands of your Museum personnel.[tup] Today, the two incidents of asphyxiation due to smoke inhalation in the tunnels seems "out of the stone ages." But, we all too often forget just how "seat-of-the -pants" R.R.ing was a mere 90 or so years ago. That is why these reoccuring Nostalgia and Encore pieces are vital to the format of this Thread. Many thanks to all who provide such esoteric information for us to reflect upon.[tup][tup][tup] [#oops]Didn't mean to wax philosophic so early. Must've been something I drank last night?[:O]

Westcoast S Dave, was "Midlake" literally 'midlake?' If so, imagine 24 souls riding out severe storms in the middle of the Great Salt Lake sitting on nothing but match sticks and bean stalks.[V] So John, looks like its bon voyage very soon, eh? Let me know if your ship ever makes port in Florida. Maybe I could stow-away for a couple of weeks to some exotic locations "on the cuff?" I'm a retired "Ground Pounder" don't cha know? Come to think of it my passport has expired, forget it![:(] Still, give me a toot on the Bosun's (boatswain) pipe and maybe we can hoist a grog or three if time and tide permit.[tup] Pensacola is a hullva drive from here, the Miami area would be shorter.

Tom, I gotta say that pix of the Elk behind the Park Observation dome is the most forlourn looking critter I've seen. Reminds me of when I missed a train in Chicago during winter time...horns and all.[:D] Okay Boris, get the lead out and the brass in for pealing the bell. Ding, ding ding...dong. Oh no! Did Rob replace the P.C.C. chimes for old 101 again?[banghead] Happy rails all.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:07 AM
Good morning Tom and fellow sleepy-heads. I'll take aspirin in bromo-seltzer please ...too many Ho-Hos, Twinkies and beer from CM3's bash I suspect. Could someone please unplug the Bluegrass music too ... my hair hurts. You know, I vaguely recall CM3 telling me his real name, family history, social security number and shoe sizes last night, but I just can't remember what he said anymore. [xx(]

Oh well ...on with the day! Good to see you this a.m. Mr. Rob ...even if you are fuzzy and slanted.

I'm finding a few interesting (to me anyway) articles from my new (1931) magazines. Here's a sample:

From the pages of “The Railway Conductor” September 1931

Russia Offers Jobs to 10,000 American Railroad Men

Jobs for 10,000 American railroad men are offered by the Russian government, which is modernizing its 50,000-mile system – the world’s largest rail system under unified control – according to John Austin in the September “Railroad Man’s Magazine.” “Applications are being received at the rate of 200 a day,” says G.D. Ulanov-Zinoviev, head of the People’s Commissariat for Transportation, U.S.S.R. with offices at 245 Fifth Avenue, New York City. More than 250 Americans have already gone over. Wages offered are said to be the standard American scale, but living conditions are inferior and Russian railroading is scarcely out of the pioneer stage. Mr. Austin also warns of difficulty in exchanging rubles for dollars.

The U.S.S.R. railroad system has about 1,400,000 employees. Its budget allots $3,500,000,000 (three and one-half billion dollars) for modernization under the Five-Year Plan, based on recommendations made by Ralph Budd, president, Great Northern Railway, St. Paul, Minn., who inspected the Soviet lines a year ago.

Asked about opportunities for Americans in Russia, Mr. Budd said: “Some men go there and seem to get along reasonably well; others are greatly dissatisfied. I believe the only way for those contemplating such employment is to make application and base their decision and action on the negotiations and terms which they are able to make with the representatives of the Russian railways.”

[:I] I guess if you were desparate enough, you could stay alive [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:36 AM


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! What better way to start the day than to try some of our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. Oh yes, we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board![tup]


See page 208 for the current issue of The Mentor Village
Gazette



Daily Wisdom

If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is ENCORE! Saturday. Which means, dig through your ‘archives’ and come up with a Post or two worth repeating! [tup]

(2) Tomorrow is Sunday Photo Posting Day! Let’s make this a successful event through active participation by more than one or two![tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 01:15:32 (212) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 06:48:09 (212) CM3’s Birthday Bash! Part I

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 07:24:31 (212) Streamliner #38

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 08:30:42 (212) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 09:11:54 (212) CM3’s Birthday Bash! Summary

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 09:32:00 (212) Back again, but not for long!

(7) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 10:28:38 (212) Inclusive Party Post!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 11:18:48 (212) CM3’s Birthday Bash! Part II

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 13:16:09 (212) Bday greeting!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 14:29:03 (212) NOSTALGIA #55 – Pullman Co.

(11) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 14:50:48 (212) 2nd Post today!

(12) jlampke John Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 14:55:18 (212) Bday wishes, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 14:56:07 (212) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) texxn22 (None) Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 14:56:35 (212)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 15:07:02 (212) Acknowledgments, etc.

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 15:13:10 (212) For texn222

(17) BudKarr BK Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 15:41:32 (212) 2nd Post today!

(18) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 16:24:07 (212) Inclusive Post, etc.

(19) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 17:13:05 (213) Bingo!

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 18:48:32 (213) Acknowledgments, etc.

(21) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 19:47:03 (213)

(22) jlampke John Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 19:58:55 (213)

(23) barndad Doug Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 20:17:34 (213) Inclusive Post, etc.

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 22:52:38 (213) Acknowledgments, etc.

(25) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 00:01:31 (213) Inclusive Post, etc.

(26) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 00:10:50 (213) ENCORE! Classic Juice #11

(27) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 00:32:17 (213) reply to trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:32 AM
<yawn> What[?]!

It's beginning to become a habit - I'm awakened by that "sound" of a trolley car passing by, even feel the vibes .....

So, it IS you, Rob! Thought perhaps we'd not be graced by our Bar Chandler this fine night (now early, early morning!).

Good guess, but no cigar! The very first customer to be feated with a Birthday Bash! was: earlydiesels Dan on June 24th! How quickly time passes and things change.

I know you've had a busy time of it and that makes your appearance here even more appreciated! [tup] Nice ENCORE by the by! [tup]

Now look, Mate - there better be some Blues lined up in May, for I'll have one terrible thirst on that Thursday the 11th! [swg] This talk of this 'n that, all designed to get you off the hook - no way, Jose! [swg]

Really haven't got much to add regarding the Birthday Bash and I may ship off an Email to the IC regarding my thoughts. There were some surprises along the way, fer sure, fer sure. However, CM3 was properly recognized and we now move on .... a revised Birthday Watch List! comes out on Monday.

Time to try it again! [zzz]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:10 AM
Hello Tom seems the winning of the Witt motors woke you up again. That or you are still abit woozy from the party still and are looping in the subway train for the third or fourth time. [swg] Anyhow allow me to start off the encore day ( Sat here already at any rate )

ENCORE Classic Juice # 11 CNR Electrics as originally posted on pg 163

Enjoy again Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


Classic Juice # 11 Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR

The CNR had dabled in electrification over the years, Mostly in the pre-CNR days. The Grand Trunk on several occations dabbled with traction usually with predictable results ( they gave up and dieselized )

The GTR's first flirtation was in 1902. They purchased a small radial line the Hamilton,Grimsby & Beamsville.They did this to keep this interurban out of arch rival Canadian Northerns Hands who themselves were starting to amass a lot of samller lines electric and otherwise. (The irony of this of coarse is that both these roads failed and were the main components of the Candain National Railway.)

Three years later GTW sold this electric line to Cataract Power( ontario based electricity and traction company. The Brantford and hamilton was part of this group as well ) after losing interest in traction.

The very next year 1906 GTW purchased the Montreal and Southern Counties which had been incorporated in 1897 but has yet to start construction. The affair wasen't rushed no construction began really until 1909, even then it was slow and steady. The MS&C never reached it's intended target of Sherbrooke by 1925 when construction officially ended they were a 58 mile interurban. Sevice was discontinued in 1956.

The only mainline electrification Grand Trunk ever undertook wasthe St Clair Tunnel, this was only done after two fatal incidents with crews of steam engines asphyxiating in the 6,032 foot tunnel under the river.The tunnel was built in 1891 but even though desugbners said that electricity ws the way to do it the process was expensive so GT opted for athrasite burning 0-10-0's and a set of fans.The first accident occured in 1897 the second in 1904. So the electrification finally took place in1906 completeing in 1908. A four mile electric zone !The tunnel bed was lowered by CN in 1941 to increas capacity and lesson ferrry trips of frieght cars it was formally dieselized in 1958. Of coarse the whole tunnel was replaced in 1992.

The last major attempt at electrification by the Grand Trunk occured in BC. This was to be part of the Ill fated Grand Trunk Pacific.The Line between Prince Rupert BC and Fort Frasor was to be electrified do to the tunnels. The line started in 1905 with the last spike of the GTP layed in manitoba in 1914. Do to the lack of money the electrified portion never occured, Blasting of tunnels and some daylighting of the line was done instead at a far greater cost.The GTR bankrupsy of 1920 occured shortly after this second transcontinintal line was completed.

CNR's other predessesor the Canadian Northern also flirted with electrification.Most notably they began construction in 1912 the Mount Royal Tunnel in Montreal even though the co was racked with debt.

The CnoR felt that the tunnel has to be built because they had pooraccess to the city centre, as their terminus ws Morell street well east of downtown wher rivals CPR and GTW were located.With a population of 600,000 and being Canada's major seaport at the time the CnoR felt that money troubles or not they needed the access to Montreal to survive.

The new twin tracked tunnel ( under the city and the competition )was 3.3 miles and lentgh and was to be electrified.The electrification was to extend several miles beyond the tunnel . At Portal Heights the west side of the tunnel a station linkinf th CnoR with the CPR running above was to be built. A model town called Mount Royal was built to feed passengers to this new line.It ws laid out neatly with wide roads high quality houses etc and the roads wer paved with the stone excavated from the tunnel.The idea was that the inhabitants iof this new town werea ten minute ride to downtown via the CnoR's new electric line.


The project looked good on paper but by the time it was completed in 1918 the CnoR no longer existed. IT had been combined with tthe Candian government railways to form the new National Transcontinental and Inter colonial Railway. which in 1921 was joined by the defunct GTW/GTP to become the Candian National Railway.


What happened to the Mount Royal line? It's still around CN actually extended it Catenery and all to St Eustache & Deux montagnes. This comuter line is still operatied under the wire by CN for the Montreal transit authority !

The national harbour board electrics from the Port itself and the NS&T in Ontario wer also members of the Candian Northerns elctric lines and thus became CN property in 1921. The Mount Royal tunnel was demolished in 1943 and replaced byCN's Central station now the location od Place Boneventure. in 1964 montreal's subway system connect her with th electric MU coaches and Via trains,

At only 28 miles this electrified route certainly isn't the most impressive but it still operates today. heres how the rest of the CN electric lines panned out.


Toronto & Eastern ( ex CnoR ) aquired in 1917 abandined in 1924
Chatham Walaceburg & Lake erie ( ex CnoR )aquired 1917 abandoned 1930
Toronto Suburban Railway( ex Cnor ) aquired 1917 abandoned 1931 *
Shawinigan Falls Terminal RY ( ex GT joint CPR ) aquired 1950 dieselized 1958
Montreal & Southern Counties( ex GT ) service ended 1956
St Clair tunnel line ( ex GT )aquired 1920 dieselized 1958 largly unused 1992
Quebec Railway Light & Power Co (interurban ) Purchased 1951 dieselized 1959
Niagara st cath & Toronto ( ex CnoR )purchased 1917 dieselized 1960
Fort William hump yard trolley built 1924 discontinued early 60's
Cornwall Street Railway- bought and dieselized in 1971( freight only after 1953 )
London and Port Stanley bought 1966 alrady dieselized-largly abandoned
Mount Royal Tunnel Line(ex CnoR ) began 1918 operated for STCUM since july 1 1982

Rob

a Post script. You will note that I marked the Toronto Suburban Railway with a *This is becaus eit's not totally abandoned. The TSR was an interurban joining Toronto and Guelph on.The TTC still operates some of it's city trackage. In 1954 our museum's founding fathers bought up the portion of the line that we run on. we had to completely relay the track and catenery but I supose we do occupy the original ROW so that at least is note worthy.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:01 AM
Good evening Tom and all the rest of you who are still vertical <grin> I'll pick up a round and have a Keith's myself. I can tell by the debris that a good time was had by all,apparently even poor Tex is a bit under the weather judging by his rather gaudy paint job and the fact he's curled up under that bright red bar stool.

CM3 Glad that you had a good birthday bash,sorry I couldn't make it for the main festivities,so allow me to pick up your tab the next time you are in. I'm humbled that you deemed the manufactur's list worthy of archieving.I am able to gleen a bit of usefull trivia now and again from the museum's archieves living ( founding members what seen it all ) and paper ( books, documents etc etc ) Ted and Doug I'm glad that the two of you enjoyed it as well. It really has been a fun and informative day today[tup] Most of those companies were of the fly by night nature,some endured for many decades the rest were sold reformed and in some cases forgotten, such is the way of things I suppose.

Tom I'm not sure how many blues you will get out of me in May. alot of the overtime will be spent on a new car. heather's troublesome Neon is on it's last legs. terminal oil leaks of every description, I'm giving it two months tops. luckily for me my best man from our wedding is a VW dealer so he's on the case as they say.

From what I can tell, alot of those craftsmen from those plants either moved on to furnature companies ( carpenters from the wood builders ) or to various other factory jobs. I imagine that alot of them are no longer with us,as alot of those companies ceased to be shortly after the first world war. ( I'm sure many of them were lost that way as well )

To take a crack at your second birthday bash question, I'd hazzard a guess that our good manager Ted was the recipient of said honour.

BK Good to hear that you had an enjoyable extended break. Here's hoping that this retirement will be the retirement for you once your final duties are discharged. I wish you much luck in settling into your new prairie home once the retirement is official. Who knows our next PM may just be from your new adopted home.

' Al Glad that you were able to join in with the festivities,tax season preperations aside. Nice info on the CN passenger conection as well.


Dave Nice info on the west again my friend. That "tressely" not a word but sounds "railroady" strikes me as not being to disimilar from CPR's Kettle Valley line in BC what with all the wooden bridges,and interesting operations. [tup]


Boris wake up and wring your dingaling, another round for those here assembled !

Again happy belated [bday] to CM3 Our international man of mystery. [swg]
Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 6, 2006 10:52 PM
Gentlemen!

Leon the Night Man has the bar until closing.

Nice to see a bit of a crowd at the bar on this Friday night. Doug - Dave and John Thanx for the rounds!

It's been an interesting day, somewhat perplexing in a few cases, but nonetheless, anohter Birthday Bash! is by the boards! Thanx to all who helped make it a good day for our friend CM3! [tup][tup][tup]

Boris Ring it for a round on me!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 6, 2006 8:17 PM
Good evening Tom and friends. I'll have some rum n' eggnog please. I can't believe I missed CM3's belated party! Now what am I going to do with the W.V. holiday deer and birthday cakes I brought?

Anyhow, happy belated BDay CM3. I liked your roadkill story, and other W.V. lore.

Nice W.V. jokes Tom .... they were jokes .... right?

Very interesting reading on the Great Northern Railway Al. I really need to assemble all your streamliner posts. I sure appreciate the information you share.

I want to agree with Ted on his assesment of Rob's fine post on Canadian traction and passenger car manufacturers. For me, it would take a flow chart to see how all the companies evolved.

I recently aquired several 1931 issues of "The Railway Conductor", which was the official publication of the Order or Raliway Conductors of America. I'll be looking for articles that will be of interest to our group.

Good night for now!

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