"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

My apologies for a transgression! Beat me about the head and shoulders if you must, but don't step on my blue suade shoes while doing so! I am guilty of posting pictures on a day other than Photo Posting Sunday!

Forgiveness, forgiveness, even if, even if, you don't love me anymore! What? Where did that come from - oh yes, lyrics from a tune that was just on the radio.[swg]

My profound apologies and I will refrain from posting any more than 1 or 2 at a time, if that meets with your policy?

CM3 I used to ride the New Haven up to Boston on more than one occasion back in the days of NBA doubleheaders, remember those? Loved to travel up to the Bahston Gahdens to watch the Celtics. Got as far as South Station by the NH, then made our way to North Station by an assortment of routes over the years. Was stationed up in Boston also while in the Navy. Great port of call and some pretty good memories of those times. That was a mighty fine road, they can sing what they will about the "old Rock Island Line," for my money, the New Haven was the finest in the east.[tup]

Also, am familiar with your literary and theatric references. Amazing how many common threads there are amongst those of us who share a common appreciation for and of trains![tup]

Ring that bell, Boris looks like there's sufficient change from my twenty for at least another go - Set 'em up barkeep!

Oh yes, keep the wind at your back, the sun in your face, and ...... watch out for the pole! <crash><boom><bang> [censored][banghead]

Lars

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Assembled; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's play "On the New York, New Haven and Hartford." Tag line in the chorus is, "Into Boston On Time." Well they used to...I know I surpirsed Boris because he's not used to seeing me when the neons are on; but work calls. Still warm here, but all sorts of !@@ stuff is forecast for tomorrow. If you don't like it wait a minute. Gas went down from $2.49 to $2.39 today - I, of course, tanked up the mogul yesterday.

My goodness, many old names are reappearing, including the Chief Chef.

Since we had an encore on the New Haven, a few comments on the NYNH&H in the media. Maybe we can have an NYNH&H double feature at the Thee-ater (WV inflection) including "It Happened to Jane," and the original version of the "Out of Towners." Steam and diesel in one evening - we could also run "A Great Railroad at Work" as a short subject between features - something to think about.

For those of the thespian pursuit, how about a stage presentation of "Life With Father," an unfortunately all but forgotten book and play. Father labored in the financial markets in New York back in the day when New Haven stock was the center of many a portfolio (hard to believe, I know, but as Casey once said, "You could look it up." ) My favorite line from the play is when Father is reading the paper, throws it down and yells, "Confound it! Another wreck on the New Haven!"

Now I am really going to date myself here, but Eleanor Estes was a writer of children's books back in the day. The series was called The Moffats and gave a pretty good insight into domestic life around the time of the Great War.

The Moffat family lived near New Haven and many of the scenes she used in her books were quite recognizable. In one of the books, titled Rufus M., the main character, Rufus Moffat, hops a New Haven freight train. A series of adventures follows, band and get a good flavor of what the New Haven was like back then.

I have been saving and archiving more posts. My Canadian and passenger information files are expanding rapidly.

My sympathies re root canal; one of my dad's helpers where he lives just got one done, and she was as sore as a boiled owl for several days.

work safe

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

I'll have a belt of black label Tennessee sippin' whiskey, and maybe just a half sandwich. Another one of those ham & swiss, butter & mustard on a hard bread will do.

Thank you to all who have extended a welcome in my direction. Nice to be appreciated, but not at all necessary. I'm hardly a touchy, feeling kind of person! [swg] In reading the past score of pages, I would guess that Tom, BudKarr and I would make quite a threesome. [tup]

Been browsing all over the web this day and have found several sources for pictures that do not require any extraordinary measures to use their photos. They are out there, just have to research and ensure that you are compying with their wishes. Several simply want the "credit" shown by the phot when posted.

Snaining in your part of the world is it[?] Always thought the mid-west had great white winters, but from what I have been reading, isn't the case these days. Well, you may recall some dilly's back in the 40's and 50's in NYC when we had snow waist deep - of course, our waists were a bit closer to the ground than today![swg]

Saw a post a bit back that sent a shudder up my thick spine. One of the reasons I decided to get away from this cyber stuff has shown himself here. I like the way you handle it though and seems to work. No point in encouraging these kinds of people.

On to more pleasant thoughts - Check these fine domes out:

from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


Lots more where these came from! (All posted under the terrms listed by trainweb.org)

I'll have another, please and use this twenty for a round on me!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Greetings!

Snow! Finally, something other than rain is falling from yonder sky! However, this stuff ain't stickin' - just about as exciting as watching paint dry. But it IS white and fluffy and I love it! So does Juneau! Forecast for the day, rain mixed with snow mixed with sleet mixed with sneet mixed with snain mixed with .... arggggggggh! [swg]

Hey Ted! 2nd time around, eh[?] I agree 100% with your assessment of modeling passenger RRs. Always has been my preference. Perhaps not so much for the makeup and breakup aspects, but simply for the sheer joy of observing them. Love 'em, just love 'em.[tup][tup][tup] Makes it all the more of a pleasure when one can personally relate to travel within cars and roads that one has modeled.

I can count on one hand (profound, eh[?]) how many people I have hung around with who share this hobby of ours. Up until meeting all of you at this bar, perhaps only 3 in my adult lifetime. Those guys were not the type to be long on criticism and short on praise, but were simply the kind of people who appreciated trains for trains sake alone.
I figure that if the hobby satisifies the owner, what else is there to say[?]

I really like those VIA Rail pix that I've been using at the top of the SUMMARIES, really great shots.

Okay - I'm back to my chores. Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Well, at least I'm now on the same page (218). Tom, it is still too early for a "kick in the chest," so I'll grab another decaf. BTW, that outstanding golden reflection of the Sun off those Budd cars "fading into the West," is really the "berries."[tup] So it's, "All you ever wanted to know about Domes...."[^] Good show of URLs, complimented with copius input from "interested parties."[tup] I'll never grow bored with any passenger equipment regardless of age or origin. However, when I first started in model R.R.ing, all my peers thought I was either retarded, perverted, or both. How could anyone find passenger operations a challenge, much less, interesting?[swg] Granted, there isn't the pragmatic aspect of maneuvering freight cars from and to trains involving the logistics of reclassifiaction, shunting, way bills, destination orders, et al. Still, making up a passsenger consist with turning "head end" cars, commissary provisioning, shop "rip" tracks for maintenance, etc.; it needn't be boring.

Rob, the reasons for C.N. origins seem to be as necessary as practical at the time. Certainly, the P & L reports in just 3 years shows it was the "only" thing to do during that economically unstable period. In the States, of course, it was private capital that bought up the failing Roads and eventually "turned a profit." That can't happen when there is virtually no "private capital" anymore. Lars and Russell, always a treat to see you guys drop in for a "nip" and a "rap."[^] Thanks for the URLs, I'm just getting "into them" now and will comment later. Gadfrey, first the phone call, then another "mission of mercy." Oh well, we "Old Timers" need to stick together in our dotage, right? Please excuse the untimely departure. At this rate, I'll never be "up to speed." but for now, let me take my leave with best wishes to all until Providence allows my return. Boris, "let er rip," this is my round, 'til next time happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Back to the rains, chill and gloom of mid-January in mid-continent USA. Don't know about the rest of you, but the first two months of the year seemingly are the longest to endure. <ugh>

wanswhee Mike Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 23:34:24

The info on the Bess Family and K&M is most relevant to our thread and appreciated![tup]

Got a kick out of the NYC "Els" info as well. Brought back some memories of days long gone. I don't recall ever seeing trains in the streets, other than trolleys of course, but then again, I was a Staten Islander, not a Manhattanite. Rode the Els with my Grandpa many a Sunday. Great, great memories.[tup]

Never traveled aboard the "Montrealer" then or in current times. As previously chronicled, Amtrak's awful on-time-performance dissuades me from even thinking about it these daze! Glad you enjoyed the ENCORES!

Actually, we don't celebrate each 12th of the month - we recognize it. Checking through our pages, you wil note that we have ineed had special occasions marking our entry to the Forums, but for the most part the guys either let that day pass by without notice, or I make mention of it. The important aspect of it all is to remember, reflect and recall our humble beginnings, those who have departed the scene and the ones who have contributed to our continuing success. That's the point.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:51:19

A bright note this AM is the appearance of our Manager Ted! Back from your trip, safe 'n not-so-sound, eh[?][swg]

An IC Email is en route.[tup]

I really am pleased with the upswing 'round here now that we are seeing a bit more from an assortment of guys, rather than just a precious few.

Checking throught the SUMMARIES quickly reveals who's been doing what. Of course having some new blood doesn't hurt at all and it is indeed a pleasure to have an unfamiliar familiar face at the bar in the person of Lars.[tup]
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Thanx to passengerfan Al & LoveDomes Lars for stopping by "my other thread." Much appreciated! That can be one lonely place, given the one-way atmosphere. However, I'll keep it going until the well runs dry.

So, where are jdonald Don (23 Dec)- & jlampke John (06 Jan) lately[?] I was putting together an idea for a revised "Customers List" and it hit me that we haven't heard from these two fine folks in awhile. Tired of us already[?] Hope not!

I received an E-mail from BK and he's on the "continent." Said that his flights were uneventful, but that he did spend an extra day in Iceland - finds it absolutely fascinating. I've been there, but a long, long time ago and not at all for pleasure. From my readings and what is available on the net, it IS indeed a place worthy of visiting - but oh so far, far away! Anyway, he's going to try an internet connection this weekend or for sure next week, so perhaps we'll see him at the bar soon.

By the by, I got a kick out of that "ending" to your last Post, Lars! Good for a laugh![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good morning to the "Rank and File" and a sincere welcome to LoveDomes Lars. Tom, just an "unleaded" and a "lead sinker" to start off with please. Forgive me for remaing amidst posts of Jan. 11th 12th. Just returned (yesterday) from hospitality "run" across the Bay and logged in only to find an avalanche of superb postings that deserve recognition "one by each." BTW, I didn't miss the "Pikes Prospectives" (Wednesday) posting of prominent model manufacurere's logos. I simply had to "cut and run" after my post due to very "tight" scheduling, crap happens.

Let me begin with where good manners and proper protocol takes me. Welcome back Westcoast S Dave with the good news for increased passenger service and, of course, anything offered from the great Pacific Electric System, no matter what vintage it may be.[tup] Lars, what a pleasure to greet an "Old Pro" on the first encounter.[^] There is already an uncanny geographical link "in place" between yourself and our esteemed Proprietor. Plus, your passion for "Classic Trains" shared by the rest of us makes special greetings seem superfluous.[tup] Al, I knew it wouldn't take a moment for your response regarding the beloved "Dome Cars." This is understandably, autonomic.[:D] Rob, the major car builders "flash back" is much appreciated. Unfortunately, except for the St Louis Car Co. and Brill, all of my Favorites received "lat rights" before I was born. Jewett, Niles, Cincinnati, Laconia, Wason, Illinois Terminal, Am. Car & Fndry., Holman Car Co., were some examples of older cars that went the "way of all flesh" along with the early Pullmans. CM3, I too have seen the (appx. 1/2" model) replica of the Dome Car in question. I thought it was on the G.N. ROW but I'm probably mistaken. Okay, that's it for this "synopsis to date." I'll get back a.s.a.p. to bring myself up to the current Friday the Thirteenth anon. Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

You can’t lose if you win. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 217.

(2) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Today is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Saturday is Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 05:41:34 (217) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 05:47:51 (217) RR Book Relay!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:22:28 (217) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:23:21 (217) Dome article, Part II

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:35:23 (217) reply to passengerfan

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:59:43 (217) Domes, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:14:54 (218) reply to coalminer3 & Dome URLs

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:28:18 (218)Inclusive Post, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:45:29 (218) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:09:31 (218) Classic CNR Steam #13

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:14:17 (218) SIRT, etc.

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:18:57 (218) Stompin’ Tom, etc.

(13) Trainnut484 Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:26:48 (218) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:27:44 (218) etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:35:01 (218) reply to trolleyboy & LoveDomes

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:47:23 (218) reply to Trainnut484 & trolleyboy

(17) daveklepper Dave Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 14:06:49 (218) One-way Post [tdn]

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 15:34:01 (218) NOSTALGIA #56 – Ad, CP (1965)

(19) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 18:50:14 (218) Thursday menu, etc.

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 19:14:01 (218) reply to nickinwestwales

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 21:38:26 (218) ENCORE Fallen Flag – NH

(22) wanswheel Mike Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 23:34:24 (18) Inclusive Post, etc.


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 10th thru 14th: Silver Streak (1976) starring Gene Wilder & Richard Pryor.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, I'll have some of them Dublin Bay prawns, sure, I am 9/16 Irish. Never been to ancestral homes in Ireland and Scotland, maybe someday. Always good to see you Nick, and I appreciate your substantial role in making this thread thrive these nine months. Congratulations. Actually it does get a little silly celebrating every 12th of a month, but what the heck, I came in on a 12th (November), it helps me remember how long I've been here, just subtract 7.

Tom, thanks for New Haven encore and also Boston & Maine. You know I'm partial to The Montrealer in any context.

Ted, what do you think of Bix Biederbecke?

Rob, how many of those heavy-duty interurbans like #8 survive today? They must be relatively rare, I think, judging by how seldom they show up in pictures.

Al, your dome story is read with great nostalgia for the 1960s. I rode on only three, the Challenger, the California Zephyr and the Capitol Limited, which had flat panes of glass, not the curved domes of the western roads. Two nights in coach is no time to catch up on sleep, so might as well go upstairs and enjoy the scenery. Even at night, very scenic when it's brand new and it was all new to me.

CM3, I need the atlas to follow your post on WV. To my surprise, New York Central tracks in Charleston. Had to google about that:

"The K&M and its predecessors built through central Ohio, entering West Virginia at Point Pleasant and reaching Charleston in 1880. By 1893, the line has reached Gauley Bridge,www.wvrailroads.com/index.php/Image:Gauley_C_and_O_2.jpg Gauley Bridge following the Kanawha's north bank.Like most railroads, the K&M's corporate history reads like a bowl of alphabet soup. The K&M was operated after 1921 by the New York Central. In 1935, K&M was merged into the Toledo & Ohio Central, and T&OC was merged into NYC in 1952. NYC became part of Penn Central in 1968, PC became Conrail in 1976, and this part of CR went to NS in 1999. Got that?" http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060102/LIFE/601020309/1004 photo of K&M loco pushed into the river, probably by Barndad.

Doug, the letter by the conductor punching tickets into his mid-70s is almost unbelievable. Not one raise in pay from 1916 to 1931, and the stock market didn't crash until '29. I never thought to wonder how bleak old age must have been during the Great Depression. Thanks for the clue.

Dave, your area of the country is all kind of hazy to me, as I haven't been west of Chicago in 30 years. So I look at the atlas some more and see SP causeway across Great Salt Lake (and Montello and Cobre). How far is the drive to the nearest 7-Eleven? Looks like a lot of space out there.

Russ, you sound better already, keep on truckin'

Lars, welcome aboard and I did click that url to Staten Island. From there I hopped the ferry up to Manhattan and found a steam locomotive in town:
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/11TH%20AVENUE/belchin.html

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen at the bar!

I leave you with two gestures tonite - Boris Ring the bell for a round on me - and a ENCORE! Fallen piece for a nite-cap! [tup]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper

BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Enjoy! [tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

What, ho! The return of our Chief Chef[C=:-)] Nick [yeah]

So, you have emerged just in time to post a sumptuous menu for this Thursday's bill or fare. While these Fish 'n Chips Nites have largely gone unnoticed for well over a month, it is always good to know that you are keeping the tradition alive![tup][tup]

Boris are those tears of joy I see running down your face[?] [yeah], your boss is back! Easy, now - remember, he's a bit fragile compared to your kind![:O] Okay, okay - put Tex the Armadillo down for a second - ring the bell for a round on Nick!

By the by, have you heard anything from Wolfman Pete[?] He's been back in "Merry Olde" for nearly two weeks. Doubt that he'll be able to swing a trip to your area, but the phones do work, eh[?]

Time to catch up, Mate. Lotsa stuff out there ....

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening gentlemen all,nice to see you all in such fine fettle--LARS [#welcome]-have a Jack on me ( can I say that [%-)] )-If it`s good enough for Keef it`s good enough for me-[4:-)]TOM,I`ll try a couple of Staropramens please,a glass of whatever you fancy plus the usual revolting mix of beers & shorts that serves as a round for this dissolute crew.
Right then,has everybody got a drink...........splendid,lets proceed to the menu:

In the soup kettle we have-Carrot & coriander with a hint of orange

For starters we he have: baby peppers stuffed with white Crabmeat au gratin
smoked mackerel pate with wholemeal breads
Dublin Bay prawns with sweet chili sauce

main dishes: Cleddau Bass with rum,lime & ginger marinade
Flame-grilled Tuna steaks with mustard & caper sauce
Whole Trout with spicy prawn stuffing
all served with fries,pommes de jour and seasonal veg

the dessert trolley is up to your fevered imaginations
bon appetite chaps,see you all soon,[C=:-)]nick

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #56

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1965 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


We’ll give your holiday a foreign flavor
. . . . . (just north of the border!) . . . . .


Rail away with us through the Canadian Rockies aboard “The Canadian.”

You’ll enjoy spectacular scenery, continental service in the comfort of a Scenic Dome streamliner as you travel the Banff-Lake Louise route between Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver.

It’s a holiday all the way – gourmet dining, tasty budget meals, snacks, all accommodations reserved.


. . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . .


. . . . . Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications . . . . .
. . . . . WORLD’S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[daveklepper]

I thoroughly the Clifton SIRT original electric equipment and R-44 replacement comparison photo, a great photograph. At that time, there were also a few ex-LIRR early post-war mu cars helping to provide service temporarily. As a youngster, I not only rode the Tottneville Line, yearly with my parents to a picknick at Grant City, and as a young budding railfan all the way to Tottenville (ferry to Pearth Amboy and then back to NY on the PRR), but Dad and I used to go swimming summers at South Beach, served on weekends by one-car trains. I finally got to the terminal of the now-abandoned branch at Wentworth Avenue (a one-door short platform) on a John Kneiling fantrip, which was also the only time I rode the Arlington Line ---and a B&O switcher pulled the mu's on to the bridge approach and the port tracks.

The original MU's were designed to be completely compatible with the BMT steels, the B-Types as the were commonly called, although they were available in A (single car), B (three car unit, all motors with cabs only at the two ends) and BX (same, but center car a trailer). The idea was that someday a tunnel under the Harbor would be built, and the sIRT trains could access Manahttan via the BMT's 4th Avenue Subway and the Manhattan Bridge. So, in fact they were subway cars. And the current equipment is basically identacle to the R-44's operating on the former IND and BMT lines of the subway system.

[siberianmo]

Good Grief - another catch-up Post at the "Feast or famine bar 'n grill!"

Trainnut484 Russell Great to have you back on board![tup] Of course it is going to take time to fire on all cylinders, but the evidence is in that you want to - that's a positve sign, fer sure, fer sure![tup][tp]

We also used the Rainbows Bridge facilities upon the loss of our dear friend, Fred - the long haried Siberian Husky, who left us after 16 years and 2 months. Still brings a bunch of emtions to the fore and it is now 3 1/2 years. Sure loved that dog. No doubt, you can relate. [tup]

Rob Sorry I didn't make mention of your Classic Steam - the Posts are flying through and hard to keep up with. I promise, yours will be read![tup]

Nope, we are going to demand a "Command Performance" at whatever bistro you place us all in during that first evening's get together at our Rendezvous in Toronto! My guess is the beer bottles will take flight ..... [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Rob! -and - Lars! A two-fer this morning (or afternoon where you are)!

Sure, sure - you can SAY what you will, but VEE HAF OUR VAYS OF FINDING OUT ZEE TRUTH! Don't be afraid to admit it - you are among friends after all, and these things happen to the best of us. Premature ejection - something we need to get out in the open![swg] Sick, sick sick - I am!

Good photo Lars and those old SIRT cars sure bring back some memories too. But they aren't the "golden oldies" of my youth, but close enough. Never saw the "new" cars. Last time I was on "the Island" was for a 25th reunion of my high school back in 1981. Didn't even think about the SIRT. Although trains factored in for part of my week away; rode the MetroLiner up from WashDC to Newark, NJ where a friend picked me up. That was intentional - as I had to have at least one "train fix." Flew to WashDC by USAF to Andrews AFB. Anyway, once on "the Island," the events took over for a 5-day reunion - yes, 5 days and nights. Was a blast, fer sure, fer sure! Story for 'nother place and time.

Rob Are you actually off today[?] If so, does the boss know[?] I mean, how in the world did THAT get approved[?][swg]

Looks like Lars wants to "engage" a bit with commuter and electrified rail. I'm sure he'll find some "takers" 'round here, wouldn't you agree
[?]

Oh THAT Stompin' Tom seems I did hear him at the old rink for the Leafs between periods. Didn't connect the dots. Love the name - thought perhaps you were either threatening me - OR -referring to me![swg]

You have GOT to be KIDDING about the "connection" those Teutonic beasts gals have with the guyz you mentioned. Is this for real, or surreal[?] To be continued, no doubt ....

Okay - gotta get back to playing get-ahead-of-the-curve!

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning Lars. I'll pass on the sipping wiskey for the moment as shortly I'm off to work. Tom had indeed put a good thread together on the SIRT. ( nice picture BTW ) The older cars have sooo much more character.Since you seem to be in the juice crowd as well, Ted and I will likley have alot to chat about with you as well.[tup] Glad that you stepped aboard again.

Speaking of which Boris ring up Mr lars's round looks as though the track gang has that thirsty look about them.

Russ Glad to see you pop by as well. Nice to hear that you are well on your way to breathing well again. I'm sure that Tom and the other pet lovers out there will find that url helpfull. I had stumbled accross it a while back ( well a friend did when they had to take that final trip with their 16 year old Irish setter ) it's a helpfull site to be sure.

Tom I have bookmarked your latest batch o URL's I will peek at them this evening. Well folk I'm off and running like that herd of turtles. I will likely pop in for a night cap in my usual time slot.

Rob

[Trainnut484]

Hello Tom and th' gang. I'll have a midday cup of java please. I just want to thank Rob, Al, Tom, CM3, Ted, Mike, and P for the Get Well wishes. I'm not firing on all 8 cylinders yet, but I'm peddling along.

Looks like the grand reopening of the Mentor Villiage Emporium Theatre was a huge success. I'd like to catch a show there someday. Tom, sad story about Jessie. I had to take my dog, Dusty, to the vet for his final trip. He was a Chow and old age (15) was getting the best of him. His mind, heart, and soul was still in it, but the body just wouldn't cooperate anymore. Here's a link that pet owners, and everyone else, can find warm-hearted.

http://www.petloss.com/poems/maingrp/rainbowb.htm

Pete, great to hear from you. Hopefully you'll check in again soon.

[#welcome] LovesDomes Lars, I believe I've seen your previous cyber name before on the other forums. Great to see you're fitting in.

I'm afraid that's about it for now. Gotta get to another class.

Take care,

Russell

[trolleyboy]

Tom I did not prematurly eject from the forum[:O] I was busy preparing the last piece. Ties in quite well with your last couple of nostalgia bits. BTW bulk of the info came from various encyclopedias and Jf Gardens Railways of Canada> this is the super non detailed therfore non-boring rendition.

As to the girls well they just march to their own drummer. I'd be carefull about checking on their papers though Hilda is dating Vito's cousin vinny ( you can tell by her new gold capped teeth ) and Helga's been courting Mr Doyle. Nuff said

I will certainly not sing the TTC skedattler ( no one needs to be tortured that way ) suffice to say Stompin Tom is a bit of an Ontario thing. If you every watch NHL games from Canada you may hear in the background a song called the good old Hockey game played either between periods or stopages in play. That's also one of stompin Tom's hits, the skedattler sounds 'bout the same, just different words.

Rob

[LoveDomes]

Good Afternoon (in my time zone) Barkeep and all in attendance!

Set me up with a black label Tennessee sippin’ whiskey on the rocks and a ham & swiss cheese hero on hard bread with butter and mustard if you please. Here’s a twenty, buy the house a round on me.

Good stuff emanating from all quarters on the dome cars, looks like some interest has been rekindled on that subject. You were right on the mark, passengerfan Al came out to “play” once he saw the word, “dome!” Thank you Al and everyone else for the [#welcome] to ”Our” Place, much appreciated.

Received your email response and I thought you’d be a bit surprised at the “Staten Island connection!” Once again, it IS indeed a small world. So, we are only a couple of years apart, went to different schools together [swg] and have shared some east coast experiences on the rails. Makes for some interesting stories down the line, not to mention a bit of “check and balance” too.

As I get into this thread a bit more in participation and time, I’ll most probably start talking about some of my interests a bit more. Not really too big on revealing ‘all’ in the web profile page, but I haven’t got anything to hide in the general sense. Never have understood some of these people who try to engage without being engaging. What’s the big deal over a name and some rather periphery information about one’s self. It could all be bogus anyway, but makes for a conversation starter.

So, how about that SIRT[?] Did anyone take me up on the URL I posted[?] Tom put out some great stuff on that electrified surface “subway”. (Sorry, I KNOW it wasn’t a subway, but so many people look at those old cars and swear that is what they were.) If any commuter line could be put in a class as a Classic, put me down for nominating the SIRT!

SIRT – The old and the new (1973)


Take note: from internet sources of the public domain. Credit to: Photo by: Doug Grotjahn Collection of: Joe Testagrose

Until the next time, keep the wind at your back, the sun in your eyes, and watch out for the . . . . . pole![censored] [swg]

Lars

P.S. Thank you Tom for use of your photo album for storage.[tup]

[trolleyboy]

I see that tom's in so I'll ay Hi! and then continue with my next info piece.

CLASSIC CNR STEAM # 13 THE FORMING OF THE CNR


Tom and I have talked about the various bits and parts of the CNR so here is the short short history of how they came to be. Enjoy Rob.

Sir Robert Borden,who had become Prime Minister in 1911,kept arguing for publi ownership of a nationwide railway system. He pointed out that 90 % of the Grand Trunk's transcontinental ambitions were already publically funded by government loans,and for only 10 % more the country could own and control the system. Faced by the urgent demands of the war,Parliment decided to act on his suggestion.

It began in 1917 by obtaining the Candian Northern, and appointing a board of directors chaired by D.B. Hanna. The following year, the board's jurisdiction was extended over the Candian Government Railways. 15 lines in all, the main one's being the Intercolonial,the National Transcontinental,the Hudson Bay Railway,and the Prince Edward Island Railway.

Then , on June 6,1919, Parliament passed an act incorporating the Canadian National Railway Company and appointed Hanna as President. The first major aquisition made by the new corporation was of the Grand Trunk Pacific the next year.


The first anual report issued by the board was for 1921, the third year in the life of the new railway. They gave details of the assets and liabilities of the component companies as well as those of Canadian National. They reported earnings in 1921 of $47,321.44, compared to the 1920 defficet of $4 million. By 1923 with the takeover of the rest of the Grand Trunk and it's Grand Trunk Western ( american holdings ) they had built a soilid company.

SOME STATS ON THE NEW RAILWAY


Once the govt incorporated the company Canadian National Railway's, it created one of the largest railways in the world, with various railway related services. All for the benefit of it's sole shareholder the people of Canada ( aka the Federal govt ). At the outset it had 105.905 employees , 2078 pensioners, 3268 loccomotives , 138,925 pieces of rolling stock passenger and freight, 21,700 miles of track, and telegraph lines , hotels, car ferries,barges and tugs.

Candian National telegraph's had 3852 employee's serving the public and railway needs for messeges along 113,105 miles of wire. The express dept had 3255 employee's, as well as 628 horses , 111 motor trucks, 1095 waggons and sleighs, 2959 platform trucks ( hand dollies ), and 584 safes ( locaated in express buildings, amnd stations ) Among the business handles during the year were 47 million pounds of fish,3500 live foxes and 4400 Horses ( principally the racing type )

Eight major hotels. built by the predessesr companies werw there to serve the riding public in style. These were not operated by a separate company but left in control of the General Manager of Hotels,Sleeping and Dinning cars.

[siberianmo]

Morning trolleyboy Rob and gang!

Couldn't tell if you caught my last Post - or - you are "guilty" of "premature ejection" from the web! [swg] ([yeah] I know, you'll probably "steal" that one too!)

Ommigosh, BTSP AND sauerkraut on the same plate![?] Good grief, where in the world DID these two gals come from - and why us[?][?][:O][%-)] I'm going to get Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabularly to run their immigration information - perhaps we can send 'em back to Teutonsbourg![swg]

Been trying to get a "leg up" on the NOSTALGIA pieces for the future - so I'm typing 'em now, checking 'em using the "preview reply" feature here on the thread and editing where required. Time consuming, but for the most part the end product speaks for itself, wouldn't you agree[?]

The absolute best RR song for me IS the Canadian Railway Trilogy, it plays over and over in my trainroom. But the one that gives me the broadest smile is Willie Nelson's City of New Orleans - love it as well. Don't have a clue about TTC Skedattler and perhaps you'll sing a few bars for us when we Rendezvous in Toronto![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom and the rest who so far haven't assembled[;)]. I'll grab the extra large coffee ( the one that barely fits in Leon's hands ) and a sampling of the best overstuffed danishes and pasteries that the Mentor has produced for this speacial day. Happy 9 month [bday] to all of us here. H&H are bringing in a speacial mid morning Brunch buffet for all those wishing to partake. They will be grilling to your tastes so just ask them what you want and it will be there,upto and yes including BTSP dip and saurkraut ( garnished with sleeze beans, these are the hydroponic variety from Boris's shed [:0][xx(] )

No Ted yet this morning, hopefully Toyota didn't have to take his computer as payment for the car work[B)]


Tom It is amazing as to how many speacialty rail car / passenger car /locomotive and electric railway equipment companies were and have now gone. Remembering I suppose that alot of them were very very tiny jump on the bandwagon type companies that had no hope in surviving the initial purchasing frenzy of the rail companies. I suppose all the big boys are still with us they have just diversified to maintain their economic health. Gives an interesting snapshot to what was though. Alot like CM3's and Dougs last few posts.

<ugh> Indeed about that tooth[:(!][:(] Are you sure that your dentist isn't Vito's cousin Vinny[?] He uses the family dental plan if you know what I mean.[B)][8][xx(]

Al Nice step two to your excerpt my friend. [tup][:D] I think that the book is gonna be a winnah ! So long as the bankrolling does not come from the Second national of Mentor Villiage[:0][B)][8].

My only dome car riding experiance is on the old WP domes that the Algoma Central is operating on their Agawa Canyon tour train and their Tour of the Line Train. In their case you pay a premium to have seating in the domes,they are very much revenue seats. It is a wonderfull railfan experiance though,espeacially through the scenery leading upto the Agawa Canyon.


CM3 Good to see you in this morning again sir. Second hand or third hand domes as in the ACR's case are still fun to ride in and rail fan from. In my humble opinnion anyway.I'll feed the coal scuttle today for you I found a bag of US coin under the bed[;)] My first pick's of the day on Herr Wurlitzer are the Candian Railway Trillogy by Gordon Lightfoot & The TTC Skedattler from Stomping Tom Connors

Have a good morning folks

Rob

[siberianmo]

Good Morning coalminer3 CM3 and everyone else looking in!

Just returned from a pre-root canal exam. No pain - yet - but it will happen on my next appointment. <ugh> This is a strange circumstance, had a root canal done on the tooth nearly 2 years ago. Sensation began over New Years weekend - specialist says there's another canal in the tooth, undetected first time 'round. Great. So, what's wrong with getting it right the FIRST TIME![?] [yeah] I know, [#offtopic] - Boris set 'em up with OJ all 'round![swg]

Domes[?] Check out these URLs if you want a "dome fix" on this fine day:

http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_car

http://www.coloradorailcar.com/ultradome.htm

http://community-2.webtv.net/web_lurker/

http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/histequp/domedinr.shtml

http://community-2.webtv.net/railnewspb/CaliforniaZephyr/

http://www.trainweb.org/ultradomes/arr/05tour1b.html

Of course there are zillions of sites out there, so don't hold me to this being the all-inclusive listing - no way.[swg]

Appreciate the quarters for Herr Wuritzer's Coal Scuttle, and of course the round! [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Warmish here today, supposed to be close to 60 degrees with snow forecast for the weekend. The ski folks in the area will like that, along with the K9 Korps at the house

Many posts with lots of material today and I have copied and saved more than a few of them.

Dome cars, dome cars, dome cars. Some of them wandered offline when they were not needed for their regular assignments. I recall riding in an NP dome sleepers (lettered for North Coast Limited) on ATK's South Floridian Wind - or whatever the train happened to be named that week. N&W had ex Wabash domes on the Pocahontas which was a great place to see what was going on, especially given the terrain on the train's namesake division. I also recall riding in domes on the Crescent (I am not sure of the lineage of these cars, however). The last dome ride I got was on the EB Lakeshore out of Chicago. Again a great vantage point at night for doing saome serious rail watching. There sure are a lot of trains out in the evening on the old NYC.

Question for passengerfan re domes: was there not a model of a dome car set up somewhere along the route of the CZ? I remember seeing a picture of it, but I'll be dipped if I can recall where it was - maybe somewhere on the D&RGW?

work safe

[siberianmo]

Good Morning passengerfan Al!

Your Post was made within a minute of mine! Must have checked right out before looking. Remember, use caution at RR crossings and on the Forums - never know what's coming "down the track!" [swg]

Nice fini***o the dome information. Pictures, pix, photos and URLs! [yeah] C'mon, you know how![tup] Too busy[?] Read that Post submitted by barndad Doug on the Conductor. Now, that puts it into an entirely different persepective, wouldn't you agree[?]

Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Dome Article continued Part II

In the case of the CB&Q 4709 SILVER CASTLE and 4714 SILVER DOME there were two aisles down either side beneath the dome and main floor seating, beneath the dome the seating was arranged back to backfacing outward toward the windows. This arrangement cut the revenue seating capacity of these two dome cars to 34 on the main level from the original 52. The 24 seats in the dome were considered non-revenue and this space was not sold, it was open to any passenger who wished to enjoy the passing scenery.

The dome seemed to provide something for everyone to see and enjoy. For the railfan he was virtually over the shoulder of the engineer as the train raced through the countryside and witness the trackside signals turn from green to red as the train broke the track circuit. On certain railroads were semaphore signals were the order of the day not only did one see the light turn from green to red but watched the semaphore arm drop from the upright position to the stop position. One could watch crossing gates drop as the train approached then turn and see them raise once again and the vehicular traffic begin to move once again. Every train meet was witnessed first hand by the railfan sitting in the dome. And what railfan cannot remember riding in a dome when a slower scheduled passenger train or freight was overtaken in double or triple track territory.

For most passengers the attraction of the dome was the viewing of the passing scenery as never seen before from a train. Not even the rounded end observations offered the view provided by the new Vista Dome. In fact no other car type has appeared on the railway scene to provide the view offered by the Vista-Dome.

The short domes from Budd, American Car & Foundry and those UP coach domes built by Pullman Standard in 1958 for the CITY OF ST. LOUIS to AC&F plans provided the best overall dome viewing.

After completion the CB&Q sent the 4714 SILVER DOME on a system wide tour to test passenger reaction to the Vista-Dome and it came back all positive.

The 4714 SILVER DOME did more to influence CB&Q postwar new car purchases than any other car. From this single homemade conversion the CB&Q would become the largest owner cars in the world. This was prior to the with the GN, NP and SP&S that created the Burlington Northern. Only Amtrak would own more domes then the Burlington Northern.

On July 23, 1945 4714 SILVER DOME made its debut, operating to Minneapolis in CB&Q train # 45 from Chicago.

Welcome Domelover Lars hope this article wets your appetite even more for "Our Place" best reading in the forums when it comes to streamliners, traction, photos, and other interesting aricles.

TTFN AL

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Guys!

A new day is about to dawn here in mid-continent USA, one that will see continuing above average temps in the 60s (F), and dry. Tonight however, we’re in for a change, rain, rain, rain. [tdn] Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” was $2.25 (rounded) yesterday afternoon. Dropped a couple of cents [wow]. Up 12 or 14, down 1 or 2. Isn’t that like one step forward, and two back? [swg]


Happy 9th Month Anniversary to ”Our Place on the Classic Trains Forums!


Hey guys, I’m a bit surprised at the rather cold response to the RR Book Relay! [%-)][%-)][%-)]


Received an Email from Nick – he’s still “with us,” but unable to participate right now. Hasn’t abandoned the bar. [tup]


Some acknowledgments are in order from last night and this AM before my dental appointment:


passengerfan Al
Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 20:46:38

Excellent Post on the domes and one that is greatly appreciated! [tup][tup] Good timing in recognition of our newest customer, LoveDomes Lars. That should be one hulluva book. When do you expect a “proof” to go to the publisher[?]

Sorry about the family grief.

Your round for the house was duly acknowledged by the boyz at the bar last night – thanx! [tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 22:17:41

Thanx for the round – Leon served a hefty “belt” to one an all! [tup]

Good stuff on the domes, eh[?] Too bad we couldn’t figure out a way to get a “dome of our own” for the Rendezvous in Toronto! A VIA Rail Park Car would do quite nicely – has a bar and two lounges below! [swg]

Now you know what it is like to “talk to yourself” ‘round here during late morning/early afternoon! <chuckle> Slow, slow, slow, isn’t it[?] Just cannot seem to get anyone to seriously move into a time slot to keep us “up” during those times. Oh well ……. Thanx for filling in! [tup][tup]

Your Posts on those industries that “used to be” in Canada and the U.S. have been on my mind. I really hate to see the demise of an entire industry, but understand the dynamics of it all. Just bothers me. I think I was really born a bit too late. Then again, given the world’s situation back then, perhaps not. Comes down to playing the hand you are dealt, eh[?]

Yes, it would appear that we have a “good one” with our newest customer, LoveDomes Lars. However, we’ve been down this road before with others and time will tell – as always! Hope he becomes a frequent visitor and contributor.[tup][tup]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place RR Book Relay!





If you wi***o participate, send me an Email with your mailing address and we'll get this idea off 'n running!

I will mail the book to the first person on the list. Within two weeks after receipt, that person forwards the book to the next person, and so forth.

Ground rules:

(1) Additional blank pages have been provided inside the front cover for comments by each recipient.

(2) Comments should include:

. . . (a) Date received and from whom.

. . . (b) What in particular you enjoyed the most.

(3) I will provide the mailing address for the next recipient on the list.

(4) Send me an Email when you receive the book and again when you send it to the next person. That will be our “tracking system.”

(5) The last person to participate, ships the book back to me.

Pretty simple, eh[?]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

Happy 9th Month Anniversary to ”Our” Place on the Classic Trains Forum!
[tup][tup][tup][yeah][wow]

Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

If you ask me a question I don’t know, I’m not going to answer. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 215.

(2) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Today is Fish ‘n Chips Nite! and maybe something from Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Friday is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Saturday is Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 06:50:54 (216) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 08:16:35 (216) Inclusive Post & Coalmining is Southern WVA

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 08:24:38 (216) Pike Perspectives

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 08:29:12 (217) Acknowledgments

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 10:09:39 (217) Inclusive Post, ,etc.

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 10:12:03 (217) Inclusive Post, etc.

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 11:27:13 (217) etc.

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 11:10:14 (217) Classic Juice #16, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 16:08:53 (217) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 17:15:04 (217) 1st visit

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 18:54:04 (217) reply to LoveDomes

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 19:23:21 (217) Conversation

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 19:36:21 (217) reply to LoveDomes

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 20:06:50 (217) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 20:46:38 (217) Special acknowledgment for LoveDomes – excerpt from book

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 20:52:42 (217) reply to West Coast S

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 22:17:41 (217) Inclusive Post, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!