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[siberianmo]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The bar is CLOSED on Sundays! However, it IS Sunday Photo Posting Day! So slide those pix through the mail slots on either set of front doors!

We open at 6 AM tomorrow, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Daily Wisdom

I’m hiding these right here. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 08:00:15 (219) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 08:24:35 (219) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – MEC

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 08:50:31 (219) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 09:44:54 (219) 4.0 Inclusive Post! & Railway Conductor letter

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 10:39:14 (219) repy to barndad, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 12:58:11 (219) ENCORE! Ad – B&O (1956)

(7) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 14:04:20 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 16:10:42 (220) Saturday check-in

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 16:52:38 (220) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) West Coast S Dave Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 17:22:21 Part deux!

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 19:05:17 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 19:16:04 (220) reply to West Coast S, etc.

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 19:36:49 (220) etc.

(14) barndad Doug Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 22:54:22 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 00:11:4 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 22:54:22 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 00:11:44 (220) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 00:23:49 (220) 6 pack of Pix!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 00:37:37 (220) 6 pack of Pix, part deux!

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 01:22:43 (220) Acknowledgments, etc.


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . Sunday, January 15th DOUBLE FEATURE The Iron Horse (1924) SILENT MOVIE starring George O’Brien & Fred Kohler - and - The General(1927) SILENT MOVIE starring Buster Keaton.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Late night/early, early morning Greetings!

I see some revelers have left their works with us as Leon gets ready to close 'er up for the weekend. Best to acknowledge 'em now, rather than wait 'til Monday:

West Coast S Dave Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 19:36:49

Appreciate your stopping by this fine day! Always enjoy your thoughts, company, rounds and good cheer![tup][tup]

barndad Doug Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 22:54:22

Mentor Meade[?] Hmmmmmm, not in our fridge. Perhaps something more suited for baking than drinking, eh[?][swg] Thanx for the round and hope you enjoyed the Killians!. By the by, Michicigan quarters from an earlier visit have been "desposited" in our Coal Scuttle, thanx![tup][tup]

Here's something on Rule G:

QUOTE: Rule G on the railroad is the one that clearly prohibits employees from using alcohol while on duty or subject to call for duty. It also prohibits the use of illegal drugs at any time and certain other controlled substances while subject to call or on duty. There is also a Federal law to back up and support Rule G. (from: railroad.net)

QUOTE: RULE G—"The use of intoxicants or narcotics is prohibited"—one of twelve general rules in standard code adopted by Association of American Railroads, based upon previous regulations made by individual companies. Countless thousands of railroad men, especially boomers, have been discharged for violation of Rule G; not because of railroads' objection to liquor itself but because a man under the influence of liquor is not to be trusted in a job involving human lives and property (from Catskillarchive.com)

QUOTE: RULE G: Rule G is amended to read as follows: The use of intoxicants or narcotics by employees subject to duty, or their possession or use while on duty, is prohibited. (from: trains.org)

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 00:11:44, 00:23:49 and 00:37:37

Thanx for the round![tup] And of course fine Post and two sticks of pix![tup][tup] That gets us off to a rousing start for Photo Posting Sunday![yeah]

Regarding S gauge/scale trains: Keep checking

http://www.americanmodels.com/ -and- http://www.showcaseline.com/index2.html

These are the two principal manufacturers and distributors of S "stuff" today. All of my S Capades came from them through http://www.portlines.com/, an Internet Hobby Shop that gave me good prices along with free shipping.

Thanx again for those great pix![tup][tup]

Catch y'all on Monday AM![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Okay stick #3 likely last one for this Sunday[tup][:D]



TRC 1326 on Sept 18 2005. Only run this year. Transit day.



TRC going to bed in barn 3 Sept 18 2005



NS&T car number 83 seen operating in St Catharines On. This car was formerly Toronto Suburban car 107. Was last car to operate on bith lines ! ( Great Uncle Wilfs, photo- worked for the NS&T )



TTC PCC 4633 ex Cleveland city car. Stored by barn one at the museum ( car was scrapped for parts in 1993 ) We have two other ex Cleveland PCC's at the museum.



Yard two line up on Transit day Sept 18 2005. LSR 23, MS&C 107 , TTC sweeper S-37,and OSR 45.



Rear end of OSR 45 the buisness end of the linecar. Car was built by the NS&T shops for sister road Oshawa Street Railway in 1927



Ottawa street railway linecar 25 at Shoreline trolley museumin Kennebunkport. Built by Ottawa Car Company in 1912.



Baltimore Peter Witt Type at Rockhill trolley museum. Built by St louis Car in 1919



Small Witt 2894 built by Ottawa Car Co in 1923 on our mainline eastbound.

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay second stick comming up.



GRR locomotive ( Baldwin Westinghouse 50t type B ) Being moved to the front gate of the museum by linecar OSR 45



Linecar OSR 45 and MS&C 107 getting a bath in Yard two. Photo shot from inside barn two



The beast Snowplow TP-11 ( built for TTC by National Steelcar in 1944 ) A night shot in front of the Rockwood statton.



TCR on display at the CNE august of 1977



TRC 1326 on Display at the CNE august of 1978



Christmas Holly Trolley show. TP-11 and the "beer car" Large Witt 2424 infront of Rockwood station

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay first stick of pictures for the Posting day ( Sunday here already at any rate ) Museum stuff this time round. A tickler for those comming to the rendezvous.



London Street Railway # 23 Taken in July 10 of 2004 Museum's 50th Celebration



TCR 55 museum's second car also on the 50th Weekend



Shot of the line up in Yard three at the 50th Weekend



Work flatmotor W4 ex TRC at the 50th celebrations. This car which turned 100 in 2004 wa used to build many lines in Toronto and a good portion of our museum's line as well.



TRC ( Toronto Railway Company ) 1326 our museum's first car breaking the 50th anniversary banner on July 10 2004. First functional run by this car in 15 years !



TRC 1326 and MS&C 107 ( museum's third car ) Sitting in yard two July 10 2004

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom. I think just one Keith's tonight. A round for those other's still upright on tier stools as well.

Tom I will have at least one stick of photo's for tomorrow, hopefully some will come form other quarters as well. I'm getting quite anxious to see everyone on may as well. Likely because our weather has been so may like lately. I agree with you BTW Lars get those trains out and running, you likley have better running stuff then today's current offerings from Lionel. I'd love to esa into "S" as well,but noone makes any decent streetcars in that scale yet so I'm sticking to HO for now.


Doug Another sobering letter to be sure. At least the awfull suffering of the early pioneers in any field I suppose, has lead to the safer work places that we enjoy today. I think people need to hear and read those type of letters though, always good to learn from history lest we be doomed to repeat it.

Good new on the Zepher. A silver lining in that cloud anyway. It will likley be better and brighter when you guys are done with it. Hopefully the work night upcomming on it isn't just a think tank of how and when to proceed. I imagine though a certain amount of assessing the damage will need to be done before the work begins in earnest.


Al Thanks for the answer to my query. I guess in the world of today's railroading one doesn't think about how efficient and quick a 600hp diesel could be.I guess when one really thinks of it those articulated cars wearn't much heavier than a bunch of bus bodies. They look more substancial than what they really were.

Dave Thanks for the info on the "jiggers". They sound quite a bit like the Montreal tramways golden chariot sightseeing cars,Calgary and Edmonton had a couple of one offs that were the same ( built by Preston Car and Coach ) Interestingly all 4 of the Golden chariots still exist. Nice to hear the story about that 850 as well. Amazing what one finds when you clean out some old mouldy arehouse once in a while. Reminds me of a similar incident at our museum. About 15 years ago now, there was much disscussion about the longterm survibability of L&PS #8 as an operating car. The main bearings were done and there were no spares left. That and she was the only pn equiped car that we ran regularly figure two of three strikes right there. With some research we found out that the original bearing manufactuerer was still in business. We called them told them wjhat we had and what we needed ( we figured that they would just laugh us off no one would still have patterns for such an obsolete piece of equipment around ). They said they would call us back and we left it at that. two weeks later we get a call from them, apparently in a warhouse they owned in Mississipi some where they had 5 of these bearings still in stock. It gets better they also had the original dies and patterns as well. Needless to say we ordered the bearings and inquired if we could purchase the tooling. They ended up giving us the tooling and whemn the bearings arrived they were still brand spanking new wrapped in greese socked cheese cloth and still in the parts boxes marked with the made in 1915 date! We still have two spares left and if we need to the ability to have more made !

Ted Aren't leftovers just grand [?] I'm glad that you are still enjoyiong the good the bad and the old and the new of my postings.How's your "El" planning comming BTW.

Well folks that mostly catches me up. Till tomorrow

Rob

[Anonymous]

Evening Tom, do you carry such a thing as Mentor Meade? If not, I'll have a Killians Red, and allow me to buy a round. Your dome URL, which was a good one, also led me to some interesting info on the RPO! Enjoyed your CP 1965 add, NY New Haven, B&O, and SP Encore, then wouldn't you know it ...Al provides the consist information on the SP! Very impressive. BTW, hope you're doing better, and same for Rus.

OK Mike, I caught that sentence that suggested that I had something to do with a steam loco getting pushed into the river. How'd you know?

Ted, one thing I wi***hese guys would do in the O.R.C. letters is to give definitions for the slang terms and railroad related references used, to assist learning impaired people such as myself. What is "Rule G" for example?

Great to hear from you Lars. These O.R.C. letters are getting a nice response, and I thank you for yours. I've got several issues of "Railroad Stories" from the 30's and 40's on the way to me, which I am hoping will be filled with interesting and factual information that may be of interest to ya'll.

I had prepared several pics and information about railroad depots for my Sunday pix, but the material came 100% from a book, so I don't think I should use it. So instead, I managed to put together random pics of different equipment at the IRM as a substitute. Until tomorrow, have a great evening.

[West Coast S]

Ok tom that explains it..I thought that ale had a dusty aftertaste, might be usefull for repairing that failing brick planter box in the front yard the wife keeps harping about!!

Agree on your observation on sticking with the more usual fare. Nuff said, enjoy the game and the rounds, come one, come all.

Until next week

Dave

[siberianmo]

Evenin! Gents!

Ah, the return of West Coast S Dave! And a round with unlimited quantity, if I interpret your comments correctly![wow][yeah][tup]<whataguy!>

A word of advice - the stuff you are calling for, Mentor Ale is something rather new and connected with Vito's Brewery & Cement Works. So, I'd recommend a return to the more "traditional" and well known brands. As you know, we stock 'em all, with the only exception being "micro brews." The latter is much too hard to arrange delivery in the quantities needed 'round here.

I'll tell ya this, and perhaps its only because I'm OLD - but, it sure does seem to me that "things" manufactured today do not and cannot meaure up to the quality and longevity of decades past. [yeah] I know that is what we've all heard from our parents and grandparents over the years, but it just seems rather evident to me. Look at the auto industry for cripes sake. America is about to see a foundation block pulled out with the demise of GM. Look at things like toasters. I recall my mother using a toaster that her mother used and it was still in use when I left home in 1955! My 1953 Studebaker Champion got better gas mileage than many of today's vehicles and it was made to withstand a hulluva lot more than the cars of today can. The Lionel trains, like I had as a kid in the 1940s, are not only still running and in high demand, they can't be matched in terms of quality. There are still commissioned vessels in the USCG and Navy with keel laying dates going back to those times. Yet, newer vessels have been laid up with much shorter lifesspans. And the beat goes on. So, when you comment about those wonderfull Budd domes and passeanger cars, you are right on![tup][tup]

Hello Ted, you snuck that Post in on me, so it's time to "edit" and ensure that you receive proper acknowledgment![swg]

Your Email has been received and all is "Go" for tomorrow's pix posting![tup]

The more talk about our Rendezvous in Toronto the more anxious I get![tup] A friend of mine posed a question of me, "Why would a bunch of guys who consider themselves train nuts, go to a train nut convention by any means other than by train?" A legitimate question, wouldn't you agree[?] Of course, when factoring in all of the real-world considerations, incluiding costs, the answer is rather obvious. But I surely wi***hat rail travel either to or from was included in the itinerary. Perahps for the 2nd Annual Rendezvous! (unless of course it happens to be in St. Louis)

That photo of the obs dome sitting in steam inside the terminal really "flicked by switch" big time. Makes me want to climb aboard - right now!

Appreciate your stopping by and thanx for the drink![tup]

Time to settle in for the New England - Denver NFL game. Not suprised at the outcome out in Seattle, but the 'Skins surely could've pulled out a surprise, if only .......

Leon the Night Man has the bar! I'm watching football.

See y'all on Monday - and don't forget - Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

At last, a period of time I can call my own.[:D] Yes Tom, a Crown and soda w/lime twist sounds intoxicatingly delicious. Please pour your favorite, on me. Don't you dare Boris!!! Thanks for the mail, it certainly is reassuring to be able to participate and contribute in a more complete manner, even vicariously.[tup] I'm sure you know I'm still not "caught up" with previous posts just yet. I will have to "wing it" until all of the links and URLs offered have been examined for comment. Mike, "Bix is my main man" for the era in which he performed Jazz Trumpet/Cornet. His is a tragic tale as so often is the case among "trend setting" young musicians of that genre, a terrible shame.[V] Those URLs on street R.R.ing is a "winnah" for sure. Yes, I too can recall seeing those fiery beasties lumbering down the middle of crowded streets and avenues. Baltimore's Water Front (present site of Harbor Place) was active with shifting freight to and from the warehouse district, nothing on the scale of New York's 3rd, 4th, 10th and 11th avenues , however. Throughout the "Old South," mainline service may be seen smack in the middle of downtown business areas. It makes for a rather "rude awakening" for drivers unaccustomed to such R.R. practices.[:O] I made a sojourn to the "Old Sod" for 2 weeks in 2002, waneswheel. I thouroughly enjoyed the unique stamp of Erin's Isle R.R.s. The weather was mostly favorable and sunny (June) though this was not consistent among the Locals in Old Dublin Towne. Rural Ireland is a toal delight, especially around Galway and Cobh.[2c] Earlydiesels, thanks again for the book, it is getting interesting 'bout now.[tup] Nick, once again I'm a day late and a quid short for enjoying the sumptuous "bill of fare" from your kitchens, my humble appologies.

Lars, the CA Zephyr never looked better than in the shot partially shrouded in steam awaiting departure. All of the pix are a "feast for the eyes." BTW, the panorama photo of passenger yards looks suspiciously like N.Y. City environs, could that be? Seaboard cars would not be out of place there, right? Rob and Tom, thanks for the "vote of confidence" on adhering to "what flicks your switch." While I respect all efforts modelers engage in, the uneasy (and unsolicited) stress brought forward by, perhaps, well meaning "purists" in the Hobby is a "turn off" for moi. Great info. again Rob and its always better the second time 'round.[^] Gadfrey, H & H running amoke again? Hope the Gazette doesn't "get wind" of this latest "gag a maggot" sort of ***.[tdn] We have a reputation to uphold hereabouts, don't chya know.[:-^] Hey, between your remuneration of "Blues" to Tom and those I feel obliged to "spring for," we may never leave the Pearson Field lounge.[:O] That first "meet up" evening has all the "earmarks" of a 4 Alka Seltzer morrow.[}:)] Doug, yes I think the oratory from the previous O.R.C. was eloquent and heart felt coming from a fine "polished" gentleman who presented his "case" as well as any professional "man of words." My Grandfather (rest his soul) would write letters with nary a punctuation mark to be found. They are still among my most cherished letters from the past. I haven't read this latest post but will a.s.a.p. Thanks for sharing them with us.[tup] Okay Boris, ring old 101 whilst I savage this Del Monico au jus, button mushrooms and baked, stuffed Idaho please. BWANG.G.G You are too good for this place Boris, so what's keeping you here?[alien] Happy rails.

[West Coast S]

Hello again Tom, No offense taken, must dispense with the prior days business before proceeding to the current, good batch of Mentor Ale, hats off to the yeagermister this afternoon!! Great coverage of those Budd domes, a truly attractive design if ever there was one, shame they don't build them like that anymore, shame nothing is done the way it used to be .

Rob..There was a story several years ago that made the local papers of a long thought extinct PE 850 class being discovered in a city warehouse, shorne of running gear and interior, neverless, the only survivng 850 class. Seems that city officials purchased the car upon the PE ceasing passenger operation, the intention was to mount the body on a trailer so it could be used for parades and similar civic functions, this was not done and the car languished forgotten until the city cleared the warehouse prior to demolition. Restored to as built condition by a dedicated group of volunteers and no doubt a hidden stash of well perserved parts and a dose of city money it now operates on the restored 1.5 mile PE line in San Pedro.

Tom, I'm not suprised that diesels were the power, by the time of your trip, steam operations into Southern california were becoming a rare event, hordes of F7s removed steam virtually overnight in 1952 and had assumed complete command by 1955. Santa Fe and Union Pacific also moved Boyscout Specials, UP dieselized in 1949 and Santa Fe by 1953. I'm sure the info as to special movements of all types is out there, what a interesting research project this would be for the so inclined....

CM3 keep yourself well. What a rough two weeks you have just overcome, As usual excellent thought provoking writings and non par with the coal article.


Well gotta run,,Capt. somebody wants me and what did that quartermaster want? Business before pleasure as they say

I'll front a round for the house to be used as needed and of variety requested and of copious quanity needed.

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents,

Can't seem to "get into" today's NFL game - Seattle & Washington - just not doing much for my interest. Nice to watch the games on our 3 large screen TV's, though![tup]

Just a couple of guys this afternoon - Lars and Dave - good to see you both! Thanx for the round, Lars! There's plenty of extra cash going into that "Lars Box" you mentioned.[tup]

Spent a bit of time preparing some pix for Sunday Photo Posting Day! and trying to get a "leg up" on that aspect of it. Not planning on being 'round very much tomorrow - day off, dontchano![swg]

Dave Best I can recall from my 1953 BSA trip to the Jamboree in Santa Ana is all the motive power was diesel. I know that I'd recall steam locos. Can't tell you which roads provided what, though. I suppose somewhere "out there" that info is available - what isn't[?]

Dave - don't take this wrong - but it "sounds" like you are a page or two "off." No sweat - still good to have you stop in![tup]

Lars Those trains from your youth are "cyring" for attention! Get 'em set up, man - what's the point of waiting 'til the 'morrow[?][swg] Sounds as if you have quite enough stuff to put together a couple of nice layouts.

Do you recall the Lionel exhibit and the American Flyer 'storefront' layouts in Manhattan back in the 50s[?] I spent many a Saturday browsing through those two places and wishing - wishing - wishing.[swg] My limirted library of pix from my youth holds several black & white shots of each (Brownie Hawkeye camera, remember those[?]). Good memories.

Okay, 'nuf for now.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang, got the duty today, non-alcoholic Mentor Ale if you please.

OK where was I? Oh yeh....

Tom.. Those SP passenger specials were a fascanating side show to the norm. Exotic steam power such as GS1's,GS8's MT Class were released from their usual duties to handle the crush of trains, often running in mutliple sections. I have reviewed extensive footage of Boy Scout Specials and the equiptment is truly a hodge-podge of pedigree from the days of heavyweight construction. These specials gained signifience as steam retreated in the fifties, often the only steam on a given district was what ran through on specials, the early diesels got into the duty too, one recorded case involved Baldwin AS616's escaping from helper duty to head a Boy Scout Special out of Dumsmir in 1952,a C-8 consoldation from the logging local pool at Weed was supplied for train heat capability, no other power being available at the time and a most unique power pool thus came to be.

Wanswheel...Your'e atlas does not decieve you, Winnamucca is the nearest metropolis forty two miles away, we do have the Montello Mini-Market and Gas station for those emergencies, hold onto your wallet however, we do have a great watering hole, I suspect some of the local characters could give Boris a run for his money!! Though, i'm curious enough to investigate the inner workings of my neighbors!! If you like solituded, it's for you...

Rob.. In answer to your query...They were full celestory,with stained glass inserts, open sided except for the operator's compartment, some roads equipped such designs with canvas weather breaks, due to the mild climate i've found no evidence of such accesories.

They were equipped orginally with benches running the length of the carbody for side viewing by the passengers and ornate mesh grating was applied for a semblence of fall protection, they were unique among very few in that standard PE red never graced their flanks, being finished in a highly varnished wine red and maintained as such until downgraded to the maintaince of way fleet, were they emerged in Box Car Red, stripped of benches and sometimes the celestory roofs, in this manner they served as line cars, overhead wire maintaince and one explample lost most of the body for a derrick conversion. As far as my info goes they appear to be a one off design, as I previously stated, one toiled in virtual built configuration as the Torrance Shop switcher until the eleven acre facality was shuttured in 1953, despite the preservation attempts of many, the Jigger was not saved for future generations to enjoy.

Dave

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom and guys at the bar!

Not much happening today around here, but from what I have gathered, most Saturdays are rather quiet.

Dropped off a photo spread over at your other thread, but not to worry, I will repeat them here tomorrow for your Photo Posting Sunday event.

How about a cool one, make it a Knickerbocker in a bottle! Nothing to eat right now, thanks.

Caught the comments from the guys, Rob, Nick and Doug and I thank you for the welcome. This place is a respite from the outside world and also quite different in many aspects fromt those so-called open-forums. Back some time ago there was an effort underway to get the Kalmbach people to squa***he coffee shops, etc. Have no idea what the "decision makers" discussed, but I see they all continue on. Seems to me that if the guys are engaged in healthy dialogue, what's the compaint over stucture? We all have the option to check in or out, or even go elsewhere in the cyber void to find another place to roost.

I like that "Three Horsemen" reference - Siberianmo - BudKarr and LoveDomes - ride again![swg] Somehow, my cyber handle doesn't strike fear into the hearts of very many - if anyone![:I]

Your idea to submit the "oldies but goodies" makes sense. Too many times the pages are much too full of information for digesting in one sitting. Therefore, things get missed. Having an opportunity for a second shot benefits all. I can dig it![tup]

On the subject of model railroads: I have listed it as a hobby, but I am far from active. There are so many boxes of what used to be down in the basement and up in the attic that it would take me quite a bit of time just to sort through what I have. One day I will. Spending time around here will provide the impetus I would suspect.[swg]

Let me see, there is a Lionel O-27 freight set from back in the early 50's and another from later on. Both are powered by steam locos, a Hudson and a Berkshire if I recall. Loads of track, switches and accessories all just waiting to be played with again.

There is a Gilbert American Flyer passenger set that was given to me from someone who purchased it new. Ran great and looked even better - Santa Fe cars and Alco diesels. Also a freight set that I found some years later for a pike I never built. As with you, Tom, I really like the scale of S - just the right size. Some guy offered me a couple of grand for the two - sight unseen. Not for sale. If I do anything with them, it will be to pass them along in the family. Problem is finding someone with the interest in trains. What's that you say about CHANGE, Tom?

Doug I really got into those two letters you provided from the Railway Conductor today and a few days back. Really good stuff and very, very thought provoking indeed. There is railroading in my family - B&O first then on to the SIRT as motormen for the electrified trains that ran the Island years ago. Heard stories of guys getting zapped for keeps because of the 3rd rail and insufficient protection, warning or training. One of the hazards of the trade is the way it was put. Safety first surely is something I have a great deal of respect for. Spent too many hours aboard ship in heaving seas not to understand what that means!

I am still playing the game of catch up with the pages and am actually reading them as I go. I see those first iterations of your summaries were really labor intensive efforts. Good decision to change the format and of course save yourself the time and effort.

Hey Al I caught your comment about the photos, but must yield to the wishes of the Properietor in these matters. Check out his other thread though - you may find them of interest![swg]

Here's a ten spot for a round on me! Anything left over, chuck it into the Lars Box for whatever the next shindig around here will be.[tup]

Enjoy the weekend folks!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Afternoon!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956 FIRST POSTED ON PAGE 127


B&O DIESEL-ELECTRIC FEATURE TRAINS

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East

NATIONAL LIMITED – DIPLOMAT – METROPOLITAN
Between St. Louis, Cincinnati, Washington and the East

THE AMBASSADOR
Between Detroit, Washington and Baltimore

THE ROYAL BLUE
Between Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York

STRATA-DOME CARS*
On 3 Fine Trains

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Chicago – Akron – Pittsburgh – Washington
Baltimore – Wilmington – Philadelphia – New York

(* In service between Chicago and Washington)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

Morning Gents!

That is one fine Post of yours barndad Doug! Yours should be held as an example of what an Inclusive Post is all about.[tup][tup][tup]

The letter from the Railway Conductor is very sobering indeed. How many people in today's society ever think about those who came before There are so many stories of "the way it was" out there, whether from railroading, working aboard ships, in the foundary, the lumber yard, and so on, that lay quite a foundation for what people went through in order for things to evolve to the relative safety of today.

That fellow's accounts of what it was like is most revealing of the men of the times. Having a job was key - doing it well to keep it was paramount. Taking risks was part of the job. Simply an amazing accounting of the times.

Now, since this is ENCORE! Saturday, you do realize we most probably will not have our full slate of guys stoppin' by. Add that to tomorrow's CLOSED situation, and Posts like yours tend to get lost over time. That would truly be a shame. My suggestion to you and others is to refrain from new material on the weekends and go with the ENCORES!

I should make mention of Pike Perspective's Day being the innovative thought of our Manager, Ted some pages back. Mine is to remind - remind - remind and of course, participate.[swg] So the "credit" goes to him.[tup]

Appreciate the donation to our Coal Scuttle![tup]

Okay, time for other things .....

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends, and a special [#welcome] to Lars (even if he does not need it) to our Forum! Please set-up two light breakfasts and a bloody Mary for me, and here's a few more Michigan quarters for some tunes. I swear ... a guy misses a few days, and has a lot of catch-up to do! This thread is ceratainly active (seems like it's only been around for nine months or 10,000 posts), so please forgive me if my acknowledgments only take me through page 217 ... I'll get caught-up eventually.

Tom Thanks for your comments on the Conductor article. There are some real sobering writing contained in their newsletters, including the one I'm about to post. Be warned it does not end on a happy note. Congratulations of the big anniversary of the 12th ...wish I could have been here. I'm back to awful hours at work, and busy busy evenings. Fortunately, two of those evenings this last week involved taking the Metra downtown to attend a few railraod club meetings! I like the idea of your Pike Perspective Day. Makes me all the more anxious to get my layout started, but that has to wait until after our move.

Ted, yeah, those guys in the O.R.C. sure wrote some run-on sentences for sure. I just type 'em the way they wrote 'em. Frankly, I'm surprised at their literacy. It's usually better than mine!

Mike, you just keep those great URLs coming! I discovered great URLs within your URLs ...having to do with the 1 1/2 mile high-line in New York. They have a great little film in there having to do with turning areas of it into parks and store fronts.

Dave, thanks for your comments on Sunday photo days. I'm going to have to get creative to have anythig to offer for tomorrow.

CM3, I'm really enjoying your posting related to coal mining. Can't get enough of that. ALso noticed your contribution the the Dome discussions initiated by Lars and gretly expanded upon by Al. Wonderful reading, and nice pix as well.

Rob, enjoyed your streetcars and locomotives to Canada post. You have a great way of summarizing information so that even I, can understand it. Interesting stuff. It would seem that our (IRM) Zephyr accident is partially covered by insurance, and that this somehow has become a "positive", in that donations have increased, and they're using this opportunity to do even more work on all the cars. The fundraising goal is $290,000 for this effort . There is a work session scheduled the end of the month ... to do what ... I am not sure. More to follow on that.

Ted, didn't want to leave without commenting on your very supportive posts.

Now ... before my bride kicks me out from behind the keyboard, here is a letter witten by an O.R.C. member on the subject of railway safety.

The Railway Conductor – September 1931

Reminiscences of William E. Talbott, Dedicated to Tom and the Gang, with Safety First as a Keynote.

I started railroading as brakeman on the 26th day of February, 1886, at Terre Haute, Indiana, for the Vandalia Railroad, or Pennsylvania Railroad, as it is now called. There were no appliances in those days, no automatic couplers except for passenger cars.

There was a big variety of pin and link couplers, with no uniformity in height, so that we had to use crooked links. There were flat pins and round pins, and of different sizes; at times you came across pins driven in with a sledge and only came out when the pin was broken and hammered out – a hard job, indeed. Also there were round pins that were driven down into holes intended for flat pins. These vexations were the cause of some choice profanity and soured dispositions.

There was no rule G at that time, and I have seen some lusty scraps, with no regard to the rules of the prize ring. But even so, the fights were in the main fair and the language used not so extreme as you can hear today around the switch shanties, and the lie was seldom passed. Again as to safety appliances, our passenger coaches had no vestibules, just an open platform at each end of the car, which was equipped with one of two styles of couplers: the Jenny coupler or an automatic coupler known as the Miller, which was only used on passenger equipment. When an interchange of cars was made from one railroad system to another, which used the other style of coupler, it became necessary to send cars to the shops to have the coupler changed to be uniform with the coupler of the system receiving it. This Miller hook was the first automatic coupler in use and on sharp curves it would sometimes become unhooked.

There were no hand hold rods on the ends of cars for safety in making couplings, and there was nothing but dirt ballast and not enough of that to be level with the ties, you had to step from tie to tie as you steadied the pin and held the link to make the coupling. Missteps were many, the unwary victim being in danger of the breakbeam, which hung low and reached to the outside of the car and often caused the loss of a life or at least a leg. As guard rails and switch frogs were not blocked as now, a foot was often caught, resulting in loss of life or limb.

Many a trainman’s life was crushed out as his foot in the unblocked switch frogs or guard rails, that operated much as the trap set to catch the unwary. There was no student system and you went out without training of any kind to make good, or if several conductors refused to take you out, it was back to the farm.

My first trip was on a local freight over the Vandalia Railroad from Terre Haute to Indianapolis. It was our custom, when a trainman was killed on duty, to drape the caboose if the conductor or brakeman, or the engine for one of the engine crew, with the name spelled out by the crepe; but the use of this mournful decoration was so frequent in those days that at the request of the railroad companies it was discontinued about 1890.

One of many incidents of railroading still fresh in memory was a trip out of Indianapolis, Ind., in 1891. I was on 4th 27 freight run, leaving one hour late, with a three-driver engine (old 42) having one pair of wheels under the pilot. We were on short time to clear for passenger No. 8 at Bellville siding. As engineman Jeff Brennan slowed for the switch target at Bellville, I dropped of the engine, running ahead to throw the switch, but the engine crowded me too close and the pilot wheels caught the switch point just as I moved the switch over, causing a derailment of the pilot wheels. I got the switch fully over in time to hold the rest of the engine.

As I got my red lights off the engine for flagging No. 8, my engineman asked me, “What shall we tell them?” but admitted that he had crowded me too much. I replied, “Tell them the pilot wheels jumped the rail after passing the switch point, and stick to your story.” Then flagging No. 8, I gave them the agreed upon version of the story while they were delayed about twenty minutes.

When I arrived at the terminal, I layed off and went visiting back to the old farm house. While I was away an investigation was held by the superintendent, who seemed to have doubts about our story. Engineer Brannon had been called for his story and had taken out the work train run on the west division, giving me no opportunity to find out from him if had he had told the story we had agreed on, that the pilot wheels had climbed the rail after passing over the switch points. There was an order awaiting me to report to the office and tell my story, and there was one sick brakeman as I climbed the stairs to the trainmaster’s office – with a resolve or prayer to the Lord that if I got out of this mess I never again would be in such a predicament, and it is a resolve that I have kept.

Trainmaster Ed Raidy said “Take a chair,” and then he sat and looked me in the eye and told me exactly how the accident happened, just as if he had been there; showed me there was nothing wrong with the track or engine trucks. The statements were all in but mine, and only those similarly caught could understand my mental distress, and on account of my youth I am sure he could read me like a book.

However, I had given my word to Engineer Brannon, and, win or lose, I meant to stick to my story and keep faith with my engineer. So I made my statement as agreed on with Brannon. When I had finished, Mr. Raidy looked me over and told me that my statement was indentically the same as Brannon’s and then requested his clerk to give me an order to go out on my car.

Some two weeks later I came across Engineer Brannon and he asked; “Did they call you in for a statement?” When I told him they had and that my statement was identical to his, and before I remarked further, he exclaimed that he would not undergo such mental distress for all the jobs the railroad could offer him, and averring that for himself the truth would suffice thereafter, no matter what comes. And I can say in the experiences of my past life that the truth first as well as the slogan, safety first, are rules that help to prevent mistakes and make this world a safe, good place to live in.

At this time the railroad business was rapidly expanding and equipment was being improved to meet the needs of expanding business. Larger, more powerful engines were built, while all new cars being equipped with automatic couplers and air brakes.

The A.T. & S.F. lad all competitors, and we looked for Santa Fe cars to get put next to our engines, as they all had the air equipment, though if we had more than five cars next to the engine with air the engineer would complain that we were burning up his air pump and beg that some cars be disconnected. Engines with air brake equipment were styled breech loaders, while engines without were called flint-locks.

The new automatic couplers had also to be adopted to pin and link couplers, which necessitated that they have holes for coupling pins and opening for links so as to serve in either case or style of equipment. The air hose needed to be a foot longer on account of the link couplers. A yard man following an engine needed to call out to his partner making a coupling, letting him know he was to pull the wrong pin, calling out “Jack no iron, jenny, full hand.” Thus he would know the link was coming to him in the wrong draw bar. A safe coupling required that the moving car have the link with pin set ready in the standing car to be jarred into place as the two cars hit together. Should both cars have automatic couplers, your partner must be notified so as to have time to get the iron out and knuckles open before the cars came together.

There was much argument that an engineer could not start as heavy train with all patent couplers, as there would be no slack between each car, requiring the whole train to be moved at one time instead of one car at a time, as can be done with slack between each car. Freight trains were usually in two or three sections, each section having about thirty cars, or all an engine could pull at that time.

All cars with hand brakes and all in sight, they went hammering along the rails to the next meeting point. Should there be cars with their air brakes connected with the engine and it happened the air line broke, as it so often did in those days, then the second section was likely to plow into the first before the flagman could get back to stop them, as there were no safety blocks with automatic stop signals, and often they followed each other too close to allow of fluffing.

Wrecks were common happenings in those days and no careful investigation such as the safety committee makes now to determine the cause and so guard against future accidents. We sometimes hear that the safety committee is the bunk, wasting the company’s money. They little realize the dangerous equipment we once had to suffer from, such, for instance, as open frogs or guard rails and other man traps too numerous to mention.

A long experience has taught me the value of safety rules and investigations for the cause and elimination of accidents by which big savings in lives and property are now being made. The department of safety should have the fullest co-operation from all employees and safety to life, limb and property should be taught in our schools, as it is now being taught in a few of the more advanced.

SAFE! Just a small four-letter word, but what a tremendous meaning it has and what innumerable angles it takes as we stumble along life’s pathway. It may be a mother with outstretched arms, the pleadings of a man of God from the pulpit, or it may be the more material work of a railroad executive who stresses safety first in the work of his company.

This small word, coming to mind as we drive along the highway, steadies the hand at the wheel and the mind that directs it. This little but all-important word “SAFE” – breathe it, fell it and live it at all times and teach it by example and word, and keep away from that terrifying remark, “Too late.”

As I lie here today on my bed of pain waiting for the stop signal at the end of the run, I feel that it would be well if the men who started railroading fifteen of twenty years after I did could know of what safety has accomplished in saving life and limb, for we see few of the maimed railroaders holding down shanty jobs that used to line our tracks, and reminders of the old careless days.

I was in the hospital during December and now am confined to a room at my home, 1529 South twenty-ninth street, with the Missus busy most of the day just caring for me. The O.R.C. Division here has been very kind to me in a material way and in their many pleasant calls and the good eats brought in by their wives.

It would tire me too much to answer you all and thank all of you, individually for your many kind acts, so this is meant for all of you. Your sympathetic calls and help have surely warmed my heart for you. I feel and know that the final signal for brakes as we enter the terminal is not far off as I lay here wasting away.

As I make out my final report, having checked up on my switch lists, with all short loads set out, and I find no penalty defects, so I hand in my report without trembling or fear at the main terminal and then to join the old-timers in a glad reunion.

To all a friend, and to all good-bye.

[V] Sorry this letter is such a downer ... but that's how it was

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Guys!

A nice brisk, blue sky Saturday morning. Snow cover on the grass and roof tops, walks and streets are dry, just a bit of ice here and there. Good start for Juneau and his “pack!”[swg]

Hope our ENCORE! Saturday will bring back some memorable Posts. That’s what this day is all about ‘round here. Later on, [dinner] at 5 PM for Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!. The gals will be working the tables, so be hungry when you walk through those doors![yeah]

Some acknowledgments are in order:

Fergmiester Fergie
Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:28:39

Pizza we got, steak we got, wings we don’t got![swg] Perhaps we’ll add them to our <limited> selections, as we’ve had the “call” for ‘em a few times!

Good to see ya over on this side of town. Is there a full moon – yup, by gosh, there is! – so the jerks are out in full force once again, eh[?] I don’t wander from here that often and when I do, it’s strictly for very narrow and selected topics. I’m absolutely “off” the “junk food” seen on so many other threads. Been there, done that – no thanx!

History is an interesting subject. Unfortunately there have been, and are, so my revisionists out there, that it is very difficult to sort out what was from what has been contrived. I don’t doubt for a millisecond that there was a time in U.S. history that invading Canada was seen as “the right thing to do,” however, that has long since been shelved as policy. We have enough trouble keeping English as our main language without having to add a “third” down here![swg] Bon jour, mon ami!<grin>

Hope that the next time you pop in on us, you’ll provide a story or two about trains – models are fine, just as long as you can find a connection to Classic Trains![tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:17:34 and 00:41:30

Nice sentiments regarding the 10,000th Post, but honestly, I don’t pay attention to any Forum or thread other than right here. Didn’t even know about it. However, I’ll take the “matched pair!”[swg]

Again, some nonsense going on, eh[?] I hope those overseeing the Forums ensure that the innocent are separated out from the guilty should “lock downs” begin anew. We were fortunate last time, but also wise in maintaining our way of doing business. Absolutely no need to encourage or reward bad behavior.

Nice Index, however, the sad thing is these things could have been all under one heading! So now there is a possibility of 4 Index features, all run at different times, by different people. <geesh> and that surely complicates it, eh[?] I have bookmarked yours – and perhaps one day, maybe ……..

Hope you’ve got some input for Sunday Photo Posting Day! It may be a slooooooooow Sunday. But that’s okay – I figure we are all entitled to at least one day away from the keyboard ‘n screen!

By the by, thanx for the round![tup][tup]
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Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: FIRST POSTED ON PAGE 141

Maine Central (MEC)

Headquarters: Portland, ME

Mileage 1950: 981

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 74 - Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,593 – Passenger cars: 42

Principal routes in 1950 (all within Maine, other than noted):

South Portland-Bangor
Bangor-Vanceboro
Bangor-Bucksport
Bangor-Calais & Eastport
Brunswick-Rockland
Portland-St. Johnsbury, VT
Quebec Jct., NH-Beecher Falls, VT
Lees Jct.-Farmington & Rumford
Newport Jct.-Dover-Foxcroft

Passenger trains of note:

Bar Harbor Express (Washington, DC-Ellsworth, ME)
Down Easter (New York-Waterville & Rockland, ME)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor)
Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Katahdin (Boston-Bngor)
Kennnebec (Boston-Bangor
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton, NH)
Penobscot (Boston-Bangor)
Pine Tree (Boston-Bangor)
Skipper (Boston-Bangor)

Note: B&M handled trains west of Portland to Boston. CN handled trains east of Calais, ME to Halifax,NS. The Mountaineer was a B&M train handled by MEC between Intervale & Whitefield, NH.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]

Let’s not forget – this is ENCORE! SATURDAY


Daily Wisdom

I can’t remember leaving, so I guess we didn’t go. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 217.

(2) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Today is ENCORE! Saturday & Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:06:45 (218) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:51:19 (218) Inclusive Post, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 09:02:18 (218) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 09:18:57 (218) etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 10:55:35 (219) reply to Theodorebear, etc.

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:11:32 (219) Dome pix, etc.

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:23:20 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:54:22 (219) etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 16:29:44 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:31:25 (219) Streamliner #41,etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:58:18 (219) Acknowledgments, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 19:22:57 (219) NOSTALGIA #57 – AD, SP (1946)

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 21:06:23 (219) It’s Nick-at-Nite!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:11:56 (219) reply to Nick-at-Nite!

(15) Fergmiester Fergie Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:28:39 (219) Nite cap!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:17:34 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:41:30 (219) Classic Index, ver. 2


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 10th thru 14th: Silver Streak (1976) starring Gene Wilder & Richard Pryor.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

Tom liked the 1946 ad or thr SP trains not a single one was fully streamlined at that time.

GOLDEN STATE: in 1946 their were lightweight streamlined 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping cars and lightweight streamlined 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars both delivered in 1942.
Three of the GOLDEN STATE consists operated with Budd built 48 seat ding cars between 1942 and the end of 1945 when they were transferred to the TWIN STAR ROCKET that entered scheduled service in January 1946. I can find no reference anywhere to any lightweight coaches operating in the GOLDEN STATES until 1947 when the train was streamlined although many of the cars in the initial streamlined consists were heavyweights painted to match the lighweights in the half red half silver scheme.

CALIFORNIAN: In 1946 operated a few lightweight streamlined coaches in this train all built prior to WW II and all other cars in this economy train were heavyweights. Both SP and RI lightweight coaches were provided to this train although most of the coaches were heavyweights. The CALIFORNIAN never became a streamlined train and in fact was discontinued either just before 1950 or shortly thereafter.

IMPERIAL in 1946 this train was strictly a heavyweight and never achieved streamliner status.

ARGONAUT in 1946 like the IMPERIAL was a secondary train on its route and like the IMPERIAL was always a heavyweight.

SUNSET LIMITED in 1946 was still a fine heavyweight premier train on its route between New Orleans and Los Angeles. Of all of the trains in the ad it was streamlined with new all Budd built 14 car matching streamlined equipment beginning August 20, 1950 from Los Angeles.

Rob The two three car ZEPHYRS 9901 and 9902 began life as the first streamlined TWIN ZEPHYRS operating a fast 6 hour 45 minute schedule over the Minneapolis - Chicago route of 437 miles beginning April 21, 1935 and beginning June 2, 1935 each of these little shovelnose speedsters began operating a round trip each of 874 miles between the same city pairs as the MORNING TWIN ZEPHYRS and AFTERNOON TWIN ZEPHYRS with only 30 minute turn around time between runs and that included interior cleaning. They were replaced on the Chicago - Minneapolis route by the seven car 9904 TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES and 9905 TRAIN OF THE GODS train sets beginning December 17, 1935. The articulated three car speedsters 9901 and 9902 also were assigned a fourth articulated car from time to time and the 600 HP diesel was able to handle whatever assignment they were on at trackspeed. Their was alot of weight savings on these units due to their being articulated and requiring less trucks then coupled consists would have required. Passenger trucks are certainly not light in weight in fact they weighed only slightly less than the carbody shell. They were the heaviest addition to any lightweight passenger car. Don't forget Rob the original CB&Q 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR ran the dawn to dusk run from Denver to Chicago with a full passenger load of invited guests a radi station set up in the baggage compartment and a Jackass named ZEPHYR in the baggage Compartment as well. The 600 HP power unit in the 9900 was able to covger the 1,015 miles between Denver and Chicago in 13 hours and 5 minutes at an average 77.6 miles per hour.

TTFN AL

[trolleyboy]

Okay a repeat of the index, with the new enteries added in.

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 2


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217


CNR CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218

CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. I'll take a Cr and ring up a round for everyone else as well sir.

Tom Congrats on the 10.000th post. I figure that you should hold out for an entire consist of Budd's, and a nice pair of FP9's. Who can resist a nice pair eh ?[:D][:I][:p]. I hope the unpleasantness out on the main forum's does not bring round two of the lockdown. Nice to know that we are not bothered by that type of garbage here.

Good choice of nostalgia's, perhaps it will bring SoCal Dave to the surface again.


Ted No need to worry about being a passenger train runner only on your layout. I myself will end up with mostly downtown buildings and streetcars on mine. There will be a few industries, but I'm not bothering with an actual yard for them. Won't that win me points with the operations guys. [;)]


Al Another fine streamliner sir. I agree with Tom though you need to index them at some point. I would hate for you to lose the where and when they are to the backpages of the forum. I would have thought that the shovel nosed deisels pulling those trains would have been a higher horsepower unit.? Hopefully they were run on mostly flat non mountainous mainlines.

Evening Folks

Rob

[Fergmiester]

Yo Bar Keep! Pizza? By chance do you serve up wings?!?

Good evening all. Well the grill is into overtime this evening in the MR site as the Flamers are heating their pokers by the light of the fool moon.

So I will duck in for a wee dram before turning in.

Got a bike ride in today as the temps were in the 40's and there was no snow on the ground.

Looks like I have a book to read in the near future on the Intercolonial Railway and why it was built. Has something to do with keeping our neighbours at bay. I think I know the ending but will let you know when I finish it.

Well thanks all

Later

Fergie

[siberianmo]

Evenin' All!

I see it's Nick-at-Nite! once again. [tup] Hopefully a return to more normal times 'round here.

Appreciate the round, as always! Very pleased that you enjoyed the latest edition of The Mentor Village Gazette. It's a fun thing to do, with the inspiration coming from guys just like you, Sir Nick![tup][tup]

That tune, Blue Suede Shoes really goes back before Elvis. How many out there know who sang it originally[?] Stay tuned .....

Looks like you are doing a good job of catch up with the Posts. Lots out there, eh[?] These pages fly at times. By the by, your Email was received and responded to - thanx![tup]

Okay - Boris Ring it and a round on me! Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hey boys,how are we all doin? ----[4:-)]TOM-Could I trouble you for a round for the house,plus thee and me-and as it`s friday,better keep `em coming-TOM,before I forget completely-the latest M.V.G-an absolute tour-de-force [^][^][^]-I cant remember the last time I had that much fun without taking my clothes off [tup][tup]
-The editorial `blue pencil` is obviously yours by right,I wish I had a worthy submission to make.
O.K. LARS-how does it go-?....wellllllllllllllllllll...........It`s a One for the money,Two for the show,Three to get ready now go cat go, but don`t you (breath) step on my blue suede shoes.....etc.
-Have just spent the evening playing to a bunch of creatures that most closely resembled the extras from the Lord of the Rings movies and still have Cardigan (Dodge City ) to look forward to tomorrow so please excuse brevity tonight,its starting to get late early again.
Am enjoying all of your various posts,please keep up the good work,rather sleepy now,better sign off before I fall over & break something-see you all soon,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #57

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.



Now you may choose from

5 fine, fast trains daily to
the Southwest Sun Country

ARIZONA * CALIFORNIA * TEXAS * NEW MEXICO

For your winter vacation, Southern Pacific offers the only main line train service direct to Phoenix, Tucson, Palm Springs and other Southwestern resort and guest ranch centers.

On the Golden State Route, low altitude way from Chicago to Los Angeles, via El Paso, Phoenix, Tucson and Palm Springs you may ride;

1. The Golden State Limited, with through streamlined Pullmans from Chicago, New York and St. Louis and streamlined chair cars from Chicago. Now on the fastest schedule in its history, the Golden State streaks from Chicago to Tucson in only 36 ¾ hours, Phoenix in 39 ½ hours, Los Angeles in 49 ¼ hours. No extra fare.

2. The swift Imperial, new 53-hour train between Chicago and Los Angeles, gives you an exciting 51-mile trip through Mexico, and shows you California’s sunny Imperial Valley. No extra fare.

3. The friendly Californian, popular economy train, carries coaches and tourist sleeping cars and a lounge car. Economy meal service. Through cars to San Diego.

4. The Sunset Limited, now making the run from New Orleans to Tucson and Phoenix in a day and a half, to Los Angeles in only 48 hours. No extra fare.

5. The Argonaut, carries chair cars and coaches, tourist and standard Pullmans and full lounge car. Through cars to San Diego. Fast, luxurious daily trains from principal eastern cities connect with the Sunset Limited and Argonaut at New Orleans.


Incidentally, we would like to remind you that the peak winter resort season will continue until February. Most resorts, however, will remain open until late spring. To insure getting the train and resort reservation you want, if possible try to take your trip a little later, during the less crowded months. All train and resort reservations should be made well in advance.

FOUR SCENIC ROUTES TO CALIFORNIA

1. Sunset Route

. . . . . 2. Golden State Route

. . . . . . . . . 3. Overland Route

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4. Shasta Route


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S*P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . The friendly Southern Pacific . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom

[siberianmo]

Good Friday Evening!

It is Pizza Nite and Steak & Fries Nite here at the bar. We started serving [dinner] at 5 PM and from the looks of the back room, we've got a crowd. Good to see the gals workin' the tables and the guys enjoying the views![swg]

Received an Email from wanswheel Mike and he informed me that I made the 10,000th Post on the Classic Trains Forums. Hmmmmm, didn't know that! Do I win a Classic Train[?]" How about an observation dome car, like one of those beautiful Budd stainless steel jobbers run by VIA Rail![yeah]

I see some Posts to acknowledge:

LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:11:32 and 14:54:22

Great shots and some good info for the guys to take note of regarding the use of net pix here on the Forums. Many may not realize that the sites out there do have caveats regarding the Posting and use of their pix. Just a matter of digging it out.

No sweat about the 4 pix! You, Sir, are indeed a rare breed not only to KNOW of the policy 'round here, but to try and live with it. THAT speaks volumes and I appreciate it![tup][tup]

In looking at that VIA Rail Park Car, I was trying to imagine just where that shot could have been taken. Those lights in the background remind me a lot of the way Quebec City looked from the former stop across the Seaway at Levis. But, I suppose it could have been almost anywhere ..... Enjoyed seeing those domes, especially "my" favorite!

By the by, you are very generous indeed with your spending and the guys are very much appreciated. I've started saving your change, for lately a twenty is far too much for the numbers we've had at the bar. You are running a tab in the reverse sense![tup][tup] First time I've seen that![swg]

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:23:20

Always good stuff emanating from you regarding one of my most favorite roads - the NEW HAVEN.[tup] I recall the NH being somewhat the "darling" of the stock market followers back in the times of family Monopoly games. "Dump the Short Line" and call it New Haven! [yeah][swg]

No big deal on the upcoming root canal work - other than I know I'll have a couple of days of decreasing discomfort. Right now, nothing is bothering me and hasn't since the New Year's weekend. Does tick me off a bit to know that 2 years ago, my Dentist had the chance to get it right! Now a specialist has to undo all of that and try again. Kind of makes me think of what I did for a living - hardly any do overs when it came to what we were involved with in the operational aspect of the USCG. Oh well, different strokes, eh[?]

Thanx for the round, by the by, and of course the quarters for Herr Wurlitzer's Coal Scuttle!

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 16:29:44

Forgot to thank you a Post or two back for your generous donation to our Coal Scuttle! Where in the world did you find those U.S. quarters[?] They were all silver, minted way before the advent ot the "clad" coins. The boyz over at The Second National Bank of Mentor Village were more "bug eyed" than usual when they saw them in our coin sacks. Vito thinks we're "laundering quarters! Now THAT says it all, eh[?]

Don't even want to know about H&H's lederhosen getting ensarled with the suspenders of a couple of guys we all know. Revolting is the word that comes to mind![:O]

Computers, servers and all of it really can tie one in knots these daze, especially since we are so accustomed to the technology "being there" for us. Boggles the mind to think of what is commonplace today that didn't exist 15 or 20 years back in the quantity and quality present nowadays. Amazing.

[yeah]The Three Horsemen ride again! Siberianmo - BudKarr and LoveDomes! Yeeeeehaw![swg] Strikes fear in one's heart, eh[?] Actually, I think "Stompin' Tom" should be my new cyber handle. I just may change it and start the "count" over again. But then again, Juneau would most probably give me some static![swg]

passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:31:25

Another Streamliner to add to the collection![tup] Looks like you should get an Index out to keep track of these.

Domes and pix go together, fer sure, fer sure! But, I see that LoveDomes is a man of conviction and it is much appreciated. Too many times on these pages we have had guys "blow off" the protocol time in and time out. Really does nothing to the synergy of it all. So, I say, keep the pix for Sunday Photo Posting Day! and perhaps one or two, now 'n then, is fine.

I saw where Vancouver, BC either has or will soon set a record for consecutive days of rain. Wunnerful. Back in 1960, I spent 7 weeks in Seattle and I don't recall seeing the sun shine one day during that time - January & February. Not my kinda environment. Love the mountains, when you can see 'em![swg]

Thanx for the round, Al - Boris Ring the bell![tup][tup]
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I see that there wasn't a NOSTALGIA Post from me today, so I'll get right to it!

Later!

Tom[C=:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quick double CR and a round for the house have to go back to the office in an hour until seven PM this evening.

I guess if it keeps raining in the Seattle area they better start constructing an Ark or two.

Lars keep the dome pictures coming. In fact the more pics the merrier.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #41

SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR CB&Q trains 3-4 October 1, 1936 Houston -Ft. Worth/Dallas round trip daily 233.2 miles each way 466.4 miles round trip 5 hours 40 minutes each way.

Operated with the 9901 ZEPHYR train set until December 1944 when passing through Dacus, Texas the 9901 struck a loaded Gasoline Tanker at a grade crossing and was destroyed in the ensuing fire. There was no loss of life to anyone on the train, the truck driver was not as fortunate. This is the only incidence of a ZEPHYR being destroyed in an accident.

CONSIST 9901 ZEPHYR.

9901 Articulated Shovelnose 600 HP Cab Unit Baggage Kitchen Annex
550 Articulated Kitchen 4-Seat Lunch Counter 40-Revenue Seat Coach
571 Articulated 24-Revenue Seat Coach 24-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

The replacement streamliner and new SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR consist follows:

9909 SILVER BULLET EMD E5A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

900 SILVER LIGHT Baggage Car

4712 SILVER CROWN 52-Revenue Seat Coach

4700 SILVER CHARIOT 52-Revenue Seat Coach

4701 SILVER TRAIL 52-Revenue Seat Coach

302 SILVER HOURS 24-Seat Dining 22-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

The SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR operated until 1966 when it was discontinued.

TTFN AL

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom and all the rest of " we the train lovers". Just a quick Keith's and a round for thoses assembled if you please. A bit of an in and out day for me today,I had hoped to participate a bit more but the [censored] internet server keeps booting me off. Oh well everything seems to be working at the moment.

Mike You are correct. there are not too many big Jewett's left. In Canada three of the L&PS cars are still with us. Our museum's #8 ( 1915 ) is the only restored and functional one. The big Delson museum in Montreal has sister #10 (1915 ) it was offered to us 20 years ago and when we went down to look at it it was a metal shell on it's trucks ( no glass or interior or control equipment ) and had a faarliy large maple tree growing up through it's floor. We declined the offer. Last we heard it had been removed from it's tree and some minor exterior preserving measures had been taken but it's still far from complete. Delson also owns bigger sister #14 ( 1917 ) full 62' long car. It's currently housed in St Thomas Ontario's Elgin county Museum ( the one with the failing building see my museum thread for info ) Though still owned by Delson some restorations had begun. #14 is not in much better shape than # 10 though however.


Ted Nice to see that you made it back sir. Figured that the builders series would tug your heartstrings. I've alway's liked the Niles, and Jewett cras as well. ( only ever saw pictures )but still nice classey vehicles. We had a Laconia product at the museum. A deck roofer built origionally for Boston. Sold with two sisters to Hamilton ontario in the 30's. Ran as HSR's 403 for 20 yeasr before retirement in 1953. ( Not sure at the moment what the Boston # was ). Unfortunatly it was used as a raod salt storage vehicle by hamilton public utilities for 18 years before the museum got it. Sat arounf our facility for 10 yeasr and was sadley scrapped ( not enough car left to really restore ) I have a picture of it somewhere will try to post once I find it.


Tom seems the New haven nostalgia drew out some posts Figured that CM3 would approve. We weren't disappointed. Unfortunatly that and the SIRT posts attracted the phantom post oh well some people just don't get it do they ?

Figured that as a Hockey fan you would have heard of Stomping Tom ( no threat or nicknamed for yourself implied. )

As to H&H yes indeed they have gotten their lederhosen intwined with the two "gentlemen" I mentioned. Wonder what the pillars of the community will think of that turn of events ? Nice to see Nick pop by with a worthy menu. I had tried to order the tuna steak last night but the internt gremlins didn't allow it.[:(]

CM3 Nice follow on stories of the New Haven. Did you see the new MOTOR BOOKS title on the New Haven that just came out last fall ?

Lars Nice Dome shots. since your new I think that " Da Boss " will definatly cut you some slack on the out of turn picture posting, but only cause he likes yah [;)]. BTW I don't think any of us want to hear about you and Tom and BK being a threesome. That's how awfull rumours start.LOL [swg][:O]

Well folks I'm off to look at cars

Toodles Rob