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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:27 AM
Mornin' folks. "The best made plans of mice...." Tom, it's too early for anything stronger than caffeine and a Danish but if I were a "drinkin' man", now would be the time.[V] Murphy's Law has been "in effect" for the past 24 hours and just getting out of bed this A.M. is probably ill advised. Certainly enjoyed the Premier opening and first Feature. Don't know about the second as I was lost in the catacombs under the Theatre.[:O] That searchlight "shot" reminded me of 1940s and 50s Hollywood premiers. Tom, I can "hang in there" for the first part of Tomorrow morning. However, I must pick up my car (check book in hand) at the Toyota service center by noon. Then, its off to Bradenton, FL to see my closest friends from Chicago. They just arrived and "made an offer I couldn't refuse." Hey the origins of the first Canadian cross continental R.R. is fascinating. There are obvious parallels between the U.S. and Canada's beginnings. I see Al followed with a timely Streamliner Corner.

Great posts yesterday! CM3, the information on early mining puts a whole new dimension on the Tennessee Ernie hit: "16 Tons." The miner did indeed "...owe his soul to the company store..."[xx(] Doug, you are probably "right on" with the gestation period of the very "pregnant idea" for "Our" Place. Are you having any labor pains Tom? Hey Rob, how 'bout those pix of the McKeene "Motor Car" and Jordan Spreader? The lineage from the McKeene to Doodlebug to R.D.C. to L.R.V. really shows, doesn't it? Mike, I agree with Tom that much of the "high tech" mentioned in the article p. 215 was on drawing boards here in the Sates but remained dormant due to "lack of interest." The grinding weight of our Federal rail transportation bureaurcracy has played a major role in putting the kabash on R. and D. alas these past 40 years or so.[V] Maybe when we notice concrete X-ties being laid on major I-State systems; there will confirmation of the "need" for mass rail transport. 'Course, that won't happen until the last drop of recycled oil is squeezed from the earth's bounty.[2c]

Well the approximate time for a Progress Energy "black out" is due any time now. I will return when the "critical" time frame passes. appy rails for now.
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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:20 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. How about some Merle Haggard this a.m. "Old Man From the Mountain," and "Mama Tried."

An Egyptian revival building in Mentor? "Whoda thunk it," as ol' Diz used to say. I had onbe question - who was that swinging from the flky rope on the stage? Also was it that long ago that the Great Locomotive Chase appeared? Battles and Leaders of the CW has some first-hand accounts of that operation. I'll see if I can find my set of these books in the "east wing" of the house and get you some citations.

So much Canadian information - most interesting and appreciated.

For those of you interested in more about mining history, here's a list of sources that cover all sorts of stuff.

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The last time I looked, I am working up material on the City of Memphis, the 1927 New England flood, and some material abt coal and railroading.

BTW - Tom could you pls. contact me offline - have a couple of questions for you re pictures.

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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:23 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a morning coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #40

CANADIAN CPR trains 1-2 Montreal/Toronto - Vancouver daily each direction2,881.2 miles 71 hours 30 minutes each way.

An April 24, 1955 the Canadian Pacific Railway launched their long awaited new flagship the CANADIAN between Mnotreal/Toronto and Vancouver.
This was the first dome equipped train to enter scheduled Canadian service. The new cars were from Budd with a large amount od Candain content such as trucks and interior fittings and artwork.
It would not take the CANADIAN long to earn the reputation of one of the world's truly great trains. The CANADIAN was the first new train in a numberr of years to operate with Tourist sleeping cars , the reason for this was Canada was experiencing a surge of European immigration at the time. The Tourist sleeping cars were the only non Budd built cars in the consists of the CANADIAN. The were old heavyweight tourist sleeping cars complete with their original clerestory roofs intact, remodeled and equipped with fluted stainless steel panels to match the rest train.

The CANADIAN often averaged twenty cars in the summer months and their were seven sets of equipment assigned to the CANADIAN pool to provide daily operation. The CANADIAN was actually two trains that came together westbound and split eastbound at Sudbury, Ontario with one section then continuing to Toronto the other to Montreal.

The first westbound train between Toronto and Sudbury and Montreal and Sudbury are listed below west of Sudbury after being combined. The following cars that operated in the first westbound CANADIAN from Toronto remained in Sudbury waiting the first eastbound CANADIAN for their return to Toronto.
3006 Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car
517 Skyline Dome Car
KENT 48 seat Dining Car
TREMBLANT PARK Dome Sleeper Lounge Observation

Due to the length of the cross Canada trip two onboard crews were operated one between Montreal and Winnipeg and the other between Winnipeg and Vancouver.

FIRST WESTBOUND CANADIAN

1405 GMD FP9A 1,750 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1900 GMD F9B 1,750 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1408 GMD FP9A 1,750 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3000 Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car (Montreal - Vancouver)

UDALL Heavyweight Stainless Steel Sheathed 14-Section Tourist Sleeper (Montreal - Vancouver)

UGANDA Heavyweight Stainless Steel Sheathed 14-Section Tourist Sleeperr (Toronto - Vancouver)

ULLSWATER Heavyweight Stainless Steel Sheathed 14-Section Tourist Sleeping Car (Toronto - Vancouver)

500 SKYLINE 24-Seat Dome 17-Seat Coffee Shop 8-Seat Buffet 26-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach (Montreal - Vancouver)

100 60-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach (24 smoking 36 non-smoking) (Toronto - Vancouver)

CHATEAU ARGENSON 8-Duplex Roomette 1-Drawing Room 3-Double Bedroom 4-Section Sleeping Car (Toronto - Vancouver)

ABBOTT MANOR 4-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 4-Section Sleeping Car (Toronto - Vancouver)

CHATEAU BIENVILLE 8-Duplex Roomette 1-Drawing Room 3-Double Bedroom 4-Section Sleeping Car (Toronto - Vancouver)

YORK 48-Seat Dining Car (Montreal - Vancouver)

ALLAN MANOR 4-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 4-Section Sleeping Car (Montreal - Vancouver)

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:45 AM
Good morning Tom and fellow Emporium goers. Nice interiors in there. If I ever manage to have an imporium here, it will be lucky to have a few grain-o-wheat light bulbs inside. I'll have a light breakfast and some soda to get the Twinkie stains out of my tux. Ya know ... I dressed for the grand opening, and showed-up outside the red carpet, thinking I'd be taken for a celebrity and bluff my way in without a ticket.... but no dice. Even the extra Michigan quarters I tried to use for a bribe didn't work. Go figure.

Special date this week for "Our Place" ..... Hmmmm ..... could it be the 9 month anniversary on the 12th?

Terrific post on the history of Canadian railroading Tom ... you've been a busy boy. Noticed your disclaimer too. Guess I shouldn't think about posting pix from books? As for the insurance claims I posted yesterday, you are quite right about some of it being humorous, and strange too. I'd love to know the story behind the "Conductor stepped on toes" incident. It also seemed that the payout for some of those serious injuries were inconsistant with some of less serious injuries, but then again, we really can't know the extent of damage. Sure would be interesting to know all the details!

CM3, terrific article on coalmining. You paint a picture far worse than anything I had in mind. Good read, and very informative. Speaking of pix ... great link to historic coalmining Mike. You always come up with the greatest links for the material being discussed here. Nice touch on the "Let's go out to the lobby" MP3 at the end of your post!

The following is an updated summary of the articles I have posted here, should you be interested:

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III
178 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I
……….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II
184 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part III
……….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part IV
188 ….. Granville-Paris wreck in 1895
189 …. The Great Pickleworks Wreck, Part I
190 …. The Great Pickleworks Wreck, Part II
……… The Great Pickleworks Wreck, Part III
191 …. Sorting on the Road, Part I
……… Sorting on the Road, Part II
193 …. Maintaining the Way, Part I
……… Maintaining the Way, Part II
194 …. Maintaining the Way, Part III
……… Maintaining the Way, Part IV
195 …. Maintaining the Way, Part V
196 …. Caboose History
197 …. Steam Delights of India, Part I
……… Steam Delights of India, Part II
198 …. Steam Delights of India, Part III
……… Steam Delights of India, Part IV
201 …. Steam Delights of India, Part V
210 …. Steam Delights of India, Part VI
210 …. Train of Life (poem)
211 …. Genius at the Junction, Part I
……… Genius at the Junction, Part II
213 … Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company 1894 Wages
214 …. Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company 1894 Rules
215 ….. 1931 June Insurance Claims list

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:07 AM


TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

The future ain’t what it used to be. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Wondering if anyone will pick up on a “special date” coming up this week at ”Our” Place[?][?]

(2) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 215.

(3) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day” at the bar. Time for all model railroad hobbyists to discuss and display a couple of pix. [tup]

. . . Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite! and maybe something from Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Friday is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Saturday is Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

(4) HELP WANTED! A couple of good men needed tomorrow – Wednesday – between 10 AM and 3 PM. What for[?] Provide some Posts during this timeframe in order to keep the bar ‘n grill "up.” That’s it! No need for anything else, as Leon the Night Man will have the bar in my absence.


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 01:21:07 (215) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 05:49:05 (215) Acknowledgments & Ins. Claims paid

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 07:08:09 (215) Acknowledgments & Streamliner #39

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 08:05:14 (215) RR Book Relay!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 08:21:58 (215) Acknowledgments, & Coal & RR’s, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 09:26:47 (215) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 11:02:19 (215) Birthday Watch List!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 11:47:11 (215) Grand Re-opening!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 16:12:59 (215) Significant Events in Canadian RR history, Part I

(10) wanswheel Mike Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 19:57:50 (215) etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 21:40:40 (215) reply to wanswheel, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 9:40 PM
Good Evening Gents!

Just ducked in between features over at the Emporium - a grand night, fer sure, fer sure! [tup][tup]

The strangest thing happened before the show started - I was reading a Post from BK - went to refresh and HIS Post disappeared! Now how in the world did THAT occur[?] It was a very interesting piece and I hope that BK discovers it has found a "home" somewhere in the Ether and perhaps will submit it again. Only thing I can figure is he was trying to edit or delete it at the same time I was reading. Strange, indeed! [:O][alien][%-)]

It also has been a rather dismal day insofar as Posts are concerned. A long period of time has elapsed between customers. But then again, perhaps everyone is over at the Emporium! [swg]

wanswheel Mike - Mentor Village is a name - can't tell a book by its cover, dontchano[?] I live in a place called Chesterfield a "city." HA - it's no more a city than an outhouse is a house! And finally, in cyber space one can conjure up just about anything 'n everything imaginable!![:D]

The pictures of the theatre actually are from two locations: the Powell Symphony Hall in St. Louis and the interiors from the Fox Theatre also in St. Louis.

Gotta get back to the show! Leon the Night Man still has the bar!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, January 9, 2006 7:57 PM
Hi Tom and everyone. A photobucket of popcorn and we're all set.

Good pictures.

Russ, I've never been to a chiropracter. And I was born in Davenport, where the famous Dr. Palmer hired the young unknown Ronald Reagan at radio station WOC, which stands for "World of Chiropracty." Get well soon.

Doug, your Twinkies may be heavenly but I'll take the devil's food. My grandfather lost half a finger in a mishap of some sort as a fireman on the Central Vermont.

CM3 your first 60th birthday party is already on the horizon. Time flies around here.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/bmr/historicalminingreports/historicalpictures/pic053.htm mule
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/bmr/historicalminingreports/historicalpictures/picture_thumbnail_01.htm

Tom when did Mentor Village get a 10-story building? It seemed so rustic once. That's a beautiful theater, where is it really, St. Louis?

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 4:12 PM
Signficiant events in Canadian RR History during the month of January. Part I of II – 1800’s to 1900:


*January 27th, 1854: - The Great Western Railway opens its Hamilton to London, Ontario section of its main line between Windsor and Niagara Falls. Moving on to acquire other railroads throughout Southern Ontario, it can be claimed to be the first Canadian railway system.


* January 4, 1875: The Intercolonial Railway of Prince Edward Island opened the line between Charlottetown and Tignish for rail traffic.


* January 31st, 1880: The Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa & Occidental Railay opened an Ice Railway between Longueuil and Montreal by placing railway track on large timbers laid on the ice of the St. Lawrence Seaway. A car ferry was used by the QMO&O during warmer months. The ice railway continued each winter until 1883.


* January 1st, 1882: The Canadian Pacific Railway appointed William Cornelius Van Horne as General Manager. Under his tenure, 480 miles of track was laid across the Prairies in the summer of 1882.


* January 13th, 1899: The joining of the Winnipeg Great Northern Railway with the Lake Manitoba Railway and Canal Company formed the Canadian Northern Railway. By 1915, under the leadership of Donald Mann and William Mackenzie, the Canadian Northern system expanded to 9,362 miles of track.


Information contained in this compilation was obtained from internet public domain sources and materials from my private RR library collection. The use of this information is strictly for pleasure without intent of monetary reward or profit of any kind.


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 11:47 AM
GRAND Re-opening of The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre



The Lobby


Views from the balcony


Tonight! : DOUBLE FEATURE: Von Ryan’s Express (1965) starring Frank Sinatra & Trevor Howard - and - The Great Locomotive Chase (1956) starring Jeffrey Hunter, Fess Parker & Slim Pickens.

And a “live” stage show in between features!

Plan to be with us tonight, as Mentor Village’s Gentry mingles with the “balcony crowd” and Track Gangs at the newly refurbished Emporium!


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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 11:02 AM
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......


[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday] (rev. Jan 9th):

March 5th (Nick – 46) Next up!
March 13th (Doug – 50) Just added!
April 18th (Al - 64)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47)
June 3rd (John) – 47)
June 24th (Dan - 44)
July 30th (Russell – 35)
August 11th (Pete – 55
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)


Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!


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NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 9, 2006 9:46 AM
Good morning everyone. I began this post around 8:00 A.M. (E.S.T.) and this "throw back" to Tom Edison's first electrification in N.Y.C. (Progress Energy Florida) has failed twice. Speaking of Tom, I won't even have time for dry toast this morning as I want to get to Wal-Mart for CD on the layout.[:O] Your e-mails received and answered sans .39 cent stamps, thanks. Yes, please put me in for the "Book Relay" a.s.a.p.[^] It seems like a fun thing and "doggon" innovative to boot.[tup] I can't leave without wishing trainnut Russell a safe recovery and appreciation for yesterday's contributions under extreme duress.[tup] Earlydiesels Dan, many thanks for mailing the B & O Civil War book, can't wait! Mike, right "on target" with the Joel McCrea flicks of yore. Rob, you have mail pending an advisory of "delayed enroute" notification. Hopefully, "Homeland Security" will send it along presently.[(-D] The PPS (Photo Posting Sunday) was a great pleasure thanks to our "Magnificent Four."[tup] Rob, thanks for clearing up the confusion on the P.C.C. heritage for the later C.R.T. cars; it could only happen here at "Our" Place. I'll get back here after I complete these obligatory chores with a respectible, "inclusive" post a.s.a.p.! In the meantime, I've taken my old Tux and Tails out of mothballs for this Evening's Gala Event. Hope to see everyone by the searchlights in front of the "New Emporium" later on. Happy rails for now, later.[:D]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 9:26 AM
Good Morning Gents!

A collective [sigh] sigh of relief regarding the success of our return to Sunday Photo Posting Day! as the quality and quantity was much better than expected – excellent in fact! Thanx to Rob – Doug & Russell for your fine contributions and efforts! [tup][tup][tup] The ONLY way this feature will continue is for more of you to join in. It is that simple!

Words of encouragement to our friend, Trainnut484 Russell – SPEEDY RECOVERY! As mentioned by CM3 that must have been one hulluva cough to move a rib or two! [tdn] Hope you are comfortable and doing what is necessary for a complete return to your daily routine! [tup]

Wondering aloud: How many will “pick up” on a special date coming up this week at ”Our” Place[?][?]

RR Book Relay Want to participate [?] Check out the Post on this page and ship me your mailing address by Email. [tup] By the by, this is a PICTURE BOOK, no heavy reading whatsoever and spans the globe insofar as train PIX are concerned.

Many THANX for the support illustrated in the Emails following my Commentary on Saturday. The policy of this bar ‘n grill will not change – no acknowledgments for those who do not reciprocate. Appreciate the endorsement! [tup][tup][tup]

Time for some acknowledgments before this morning disappears into afternoon!

barndad Doug
Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 05:49:05


Nice photo spreads yesterday! Appreciate seeing the pix from your recent Chicago trip over the Christmas season! [tup][tup]

That insurance claim list, although probably intended to be quite serious, has some humor in it as well. [swg] You know the bumper sticker saying: “BLANK” Happens! The comment in the cartoon says it all, “What has not happened in the last ten years – may happen in the next ten seconds.”

passengerfan Al
Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 07:08:0


Not trying to make you feel bad, BUT – there are people who put in the hours you mentioned all year long. Count your blessings, my friend, it could be worse! [tup]

As ever – good stuff on the Streamliner piece. Pictures – pix – photos – even a URL or three, would most certainly enhance your efforts. [yeah]

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 08:21:58


Always good to see you ‘round here and I’m wondering, how come never on weekends[?] Mystery in WVA[?] [swg] We can handle the low profile approach, but only Mon thru Fri [?]

Anyway, good stuff on the RR’s and coal, along with “nutrition!”

And by all means, ship off those Email attachments of your pix to me ASAP – no problem and I’ll create an album for you for display on Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup][tup]

Thanx for the daily infusion of quarters for our Juke, Herr Wurltizer and of course the round! [tup][tup] Looks like the Coal Scuttle got a workout this weekend! [swg] It was Johnny Cash, Ronnie Milsap and Willie Nelson extravaganza! [yeah]


NOTE for WEDNESDAY, Jan 11th: HELP WANTED! Just need a couple of guys to make their Posts sometime between let’s say 10 AM (Central) and 3 PM. I’ll be gone during that time and we’d surely like to keep things rolling along. That’s all it takes, a Post or two. No need to baby sit, as Leon the Night Man will be handling the bar in my absence. [swg]


Later!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, January 9, 2006 8:21 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

It looks as if most are in recovery after the b'day bash - wait a minute, though - whose size 14s are those under the pool table? Oh well, let him slumber a bit longer.

As for identity, I prefer to fly under the radar, just like WVU did in their game with Villanova. We won't even discuss the Giants performance or lack thereof - they're not quite ready for prime time.

Twinkies and beer - breakfast of champions! I also appreciated the picture of the electric deer; not as good as the deer head my neighbor had hanging in a tree in his front yard. We drove by it every day when taking the Huns to school, and the neighborhood kids had a pool going as to when just the skull would be there.

Enjoyed the pictures - I'll have to dig up some old prints and send them to our 'steamed propriator - he may see fit to post some of them.

The list of accidents tells us what a dangerous job railroading, like other industrial work, was (and still is). I carry a lot of pins and wire in my knee form a slip and fall accident that kept me off work nine months.

Also the conductor's work rules, etc. were most interesting. 100 miles for a days work doesn't seem like much today, but it was back then.

trainnut 484; hope you are on the mend and feeling better - you must have had one !@#$ of a cough to move some ribs.

Awhile back somebody mentioned starting a thread on coal and railroads. Sounds good to me. So I'll begin it with some material on mining conditions back in the day. This talks a little about mining conditions, hand loading, etc.

Some letters written in the 1830s vividly described conditions in a Virginia coal mine. The miners (mostly hired slaves) labored in drifts which were three to five feet wide. Timbers supported the roof as the miners advanced into the coal. Pressure often forced these timbers down and caved the roof right behind where the miners were working. Haulage was primitive. The miners dragged baskets of coal to the loading point where they were hoisted to the surface. Carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and methane all made for dangerous conditions. Methane explosions occurred in Virginia coal mines. Roof falls, inundations, and fires were other common dangers in the mines. Unfortunately, there is not a great deal of information available about them.

Early anthracite miners dug coal from outcrops and loaded it for shipment, but by 1852 over 110 surface and underground anthracite mines were operating in Schuylkill County. Most of these were slope mines but one had a shaft more than 1,000 feet deep. Geology played a major role in anthracite mining. Mining engineers in the late 19th century commented that anthracite seams could range from 3½ feet thick to 100 feet thick but were “never flat” for long. Most all anthracite was mined by the “chamber and pillar” method. in rooms or chambers 18 to 30 feet wide with 12 to 20-foot-thick pillars left behind to support the roof. Pitching seams prevented the use of mining machinery of any type in many anthracite mines. In the 19th century approximately three miners were killed for every two days worked in anthracite mines. The anthracite miner worked alone without close supervision and was responsible for his own safety.

Inadequate ventilation allowed gases such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and methane to accumulate in the mines. Miners had no way to determine the quality of the mine atmosphere except to sometimes lower dogs into the mine to test for gas. Miners assumed that the air was good if the dog was still alive when brought back to the surface. Canaries were also used to help detect gas in the mines. Double shaft ventilation, common in British mines, was not used in American mines because of the cost involved in drilling two shafts.

Blasting accidents were common because black powder was notoriously unstable and fuses were not very reliable. Sometimes when misfires occurred miners would go back to check them only to have the shot explode. Miners would then be blinded by coal dust, buried alive, or blown apart. Explosions and fires from other sources such as gas could be spread by suspended coal dust. Roof falls crushed miners so flat that sometimes their bodies could only be removed from the mine by scraping them up with shovels. Poor illumination exposed miners to the danger of being run over by mining equipment. Miners were electrocuted when electricity came into use in the mine.

The foreman was the first line supervisor in an anthracite mine. He had a tough job as he was responsible for both safety and production. It was virtually impossible for a foreman to make more than short visits to the working places during an average day. Foremen relied on their memories as they kept no written records of their activities.

Appalachian coal miners worked 12 to 14 hour days digging coal by hand. Miners supplied their own tools which they usually bought at the company store. A typical set of tools used by a hand loader included picks, shovels, a slate bar, *** auger, tamping bar, and powder bag. The miner was expected to buy his powder, too.

Hand loading was a nine-step process. The miner would first undercut the coal. The undercut was a three-to-four-foot deep slit at the bottom of the face. The miner lay on his side and used a pick to make the undercut. The work was frequently done in wet and dusty conditions in confined spaces as low as 30 inches. The average undercut took from two to five hours to complete - depending upon the mining conditions encountered. The miner than moved on to the next step- drilling - when the undercut was completed. A long *** auger was used to drill holes in the face for explosives. The miner loaded the shot after the holes were drilled. He used a device called a needle which was left in the hole as powder was loaded, tamped, and stemmed with dirt. The needle was turned as it was withdrawn to leave a channel under the dirt for the fuse. The fuse was inserted, lit, and the miner sheltered from the blast. If all went well, the shot would drop about a ton of coal to the mine floor while leaving a clean roof and face. Shot firing was an art as much as a science as the miner needed to keep the shot from damaging the roof. This was especially a problem if a shot was overloaded. Shots could blow out and kill miners, damage the roof, or (if conditions were right) ignite tremendous explosions of gas and dust that could demolish a mine. The miner removed the coal from the working place after firing the shot. He loaded the coal by hand into mine cars that were pushed from the face to the room entrance. The miner was expected to remove rock and slate from the coal as he loaded it out. If he didn’t do this, then his pay would be docked for loading “dirty” coal. Loaded cars were gathered into “trips” and hauled to the surface by mule teams or by locomotives. The miner placed a numbered “check” on each car that he loaded. The check number corresponded with his payroll number. The check was removed at the tipple when it was dumped, and the checkweighman recorded the tonnage dumped so that the miner could be paid.

A miner was paid by the tonnage he loaded during the day and could leave whenever chose to do so. The average West Virginia miner in 1900 produced 1,104 tons of coal a year for which he received a little over $500 in wages. This averaged out to about $42 a month.

Once the coal was brought to the surface it was fed into a structure called a tipple which overhung the tracks of the railroad that served the mine. This structure allowed the mining company to dump coal into railroad cars that were spotted under the tipple’s chutes. As mines became more complex, the coal was sorted and graded, cleaned and sometimes washed in the tipple - or preparation plant as it came to be called - before being loaded into rail cars for shipment. Some tipples had chutes that moved along the length of the car to fill it evenly.

At other operations, employees repositioned cars as they were loaded or, at some operations, stood inside cars as they were filled and spread the load evenly.

Miners generally worked without supervision, and were responsible for their own safety. They had to keep the floor clean so that cars could be moved to and from the working face, were expected to lay track for mine cars, bail water, check the roof, draw down loose slate, and support the roof in their working area. They were not paid for this so-called “dead work.”

Operators looked at these safety and health concerns as a necessary cost of doing business. They did not begin to address safety problems until after the turn of the century when states passed mine safety laws and began to inspect mining properties.

Now for one last story about nutrition. This memory was triggered by the Twinkies and beer (the picture, Boris, not consumption thereof.) One time I was riding from Nashville to Atlanta on the pathetic remains of the Georgian. This usually was a lone E unit a couple of head end cars, and one or two coaches (one of which was a former C&EI car that had been sort of converted into a snack car - I think that's where I first saw Boris - anyway, after a comfortable night's sleep on an L&N coach seat, I went back to the snack car and was informed by Boris (or his twin) that, "All we have is coffee, Zingers, and beef stew." No need to say what we breakfasted on that morning as we coiled along the Tennessee River. I believe that all items were used to feed Andrews' raiders, but we survived. BTW, things were much better later that day on the Southern Ry train I rode north out of Atlanta.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 8:05 AM
”Our” Place RR Book Relay!





If you wi***o participate, send me an Email with your mailing address and we'll get this idea off 'n running!

I will mail the book to the first person on the list. Within two weeks after receipt, that person forwards the book to the next person, and so forth.

Ground rules:

(1) Additional blank pages have been provided inside the front cover for comments by each recipient.

(2) Comments should include:

. . . (a) Date received and from whom.

. . . (b) What in particular you enjoyed the most.

(3) I will provide the mailing address for the next recipient on the list.

(4) Send me an Email when you receive the book and again when you send it to the next person. That will be our “tracking system.”

(5) The last person to participate, ships the book back to me.

Pretty simple, eh[?]


Enjoy!

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, January 9, 2006 7:08 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Hope this finds Russel well on the way to a full recovery. Enjoyed the Sunday pix especially the Budds on Via as I have a long standing love affair with those going back to CPR and CP Rail days. Just time for coffee and a crumpet.

Tax season begins for me today ten hour days seven days a week until the end of April.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #39

TWIN ZEPHYRS CB&Q trains 21-22/23-24 December 17, 1936 Chicago- St. Paul/Minneapolis two round trips daily 437 miles 7 hours 45 minutes each way.

After the three car 1935 TWIN ZEPHYRS had entered service it didn't take the CB&Q long to realize that if they hoped to hold onto the increased traffic the new ZEPHYRS were generating they would need additional passenger capacity.
With this in mind the CB&Q ordered replacement TWIN ZEPHYRS within months. But the Burlington themselves delayed the new TWIN ZEPHYRS completion puttting greater emphasis on the DENVER ZEPHYRS being completed first.

Once the DENVER ZEPHYRS were rushed to completion by Budd work resumed on the incomplette new TWIN ZEPHYRS in Philadelphia.
The new TWIN ZEPHYRS were powered by a single shovelnose diesel unit with two 900 hp Winton 201-A diesels producing a total of 1,800 hp. These cab units for the new TWIN ZEPHYRS were identical to those built as the lead units of the DENVER ZEPHYRS and were not articulated to the consists as previous Shovelnose diesel units had been.

The six car articulated train sets would be the last of their kind built for the CB&Q. All future lightweight streamlined passenger cars would be individual cars and not articulated.

A seventh articulated car was added to each consist in September 1937 to increase coach seating capacity
The two new cars were 4850 PSYCHE added to the TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES and 4851 CUPID added to the TRAIN OF THE GODS. These would be the last two cars built for the CB&Q that would not have SILVER prefix names. Management assigned SILVER prefix names to the DENVER ZEPHYR cars and soon decided that all future CB&Q cars would carry SILVER prefix names.

All cars and and the power unit of one of the new TWIN ZEPHYR trains were named for Greek and Roman Gods, while the other new TWIN ZEPHYR train sest was named for Greek and Roman Goddesses.

These two trains were always known throughout their years of operation as TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN of the GODDESSES. An abbreviated version of the TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES is operated today at the Illinois Railway Museum and has appeared in one or two motion pictures in recent years.

TRAIN OF THE GODS

9905 ZEPHYRUS Shovelnose 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

961 APOLLO Articulated Auxiliary Power Unit Baggage Bar 34-Seat Lounge Car
4629 NEPTUNE Articulated 60-Revenue Seat Coach
4630 MARS Articulated 60-Revenue Seat Coach
151 VULCAN Articulated Kitchen 32-Seat Dining Car
4628 MERCURY Articulated 19-Revenue Seat Parlor 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Car
226 JUPITER Articulated 24-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

In August 1937 an articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach 16-Seat Dinette 4851 CUPID was added to the above consist between 4630 MARS and 151 VULCAN.

In August 1942 42-Revenue Coach seats replaced the 19-Revenue Parlor seats in 4628 MERCURY.

TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES

9904 PEGASUS Shovelnose 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

960 VENUS Articulated Auxiliary Power Baggage Bar 34-Seat Lounge Car
4626 VESTA Articulated 60-Revenue Seat Coach
4627 MINERVA Articulated 60-Revenue Seat Coach
150 CERES Articulated Kitchen 32-Seat Dining Car
4625 DIANA Articulated 19-Revenue Seat Parlor 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Car
225 JUNO Articulated 24-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

In August 1937 an additional car 4850 PSYCHE an articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach 16-Seat Dinette car was added between 4627 MINERVA and 150 CERES.

The 19-Parlor Seats in were removed from 4625 DIANA in August 1942 with 42-Revenue Coach seats.

For further details see the NEBRASKA ZEPHYR and 1947 VISTA DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 9, 2006 5:49 AM
Good morning Tom and friends! I'll have two light breakfasts and a Twinkie. Gotta watch my weight ya know. Great pix yesterday Tom, Rob,and Rus. I really enjoyed them. Hope your feeling better Rus. Doesn't sound like you're going to be roping calves anytime soon.

Speaking of general health, here's some insurance claim payouts from the past:

Claims Paid by the Accident Insurance Department During June, 1931

$307 Carrying ashes out of home
$92 Setting hand brake
$103 Piling wood in garage
$110 Getting out of car, tripped on wire
$35 Cinder in eye, on duty
$38 Fell on greasy pavement
$32 Caboose hit by cars
$68 Sliver in hand
$40 Getting off train
$17 Piece of steel in right eye, on duty
$375 Unloading way freight
$296 Unloading merchandise
$203 Automobile accident
$139 Ladder on which he was standing broke
$107 Moving truck at home
$71 Repairing rain pipe at home
$34 Fishing, bit by insect
$28 Letting off hand brake
$35 Finger caught under derail
$17 Hand caught in end gate of mail car
$17 Riding on engine step, heel crushed
$110 Going down basement stairs
$82 Ball of switch fell on toe
$67 Splitting wood at home
$700 Getting on train
$53 Getting off cab, step broke
$111 Stumbled over low switch stand
$222 Standing on coach step, struck by express truck
$125 Getting on moving cab, fell
$89 Struck on head by water tank spout
$57 Rough stop of train; 64 cars, 1 engine
$32 Climbing on car
$46 Motor boat accident
$75 Latching coach trap door
$45 Sand blew in eye
$332 Getting off train to throw switch
$594 Getting off passenger train
$30 Catching train, fell from cab
$92 Slipped on ice
$75 Adjusting locking block
$57 Running to head end of train
$25 Brassing car, bar slipped
$71 Loading cream into baggage car
$71 Getting on foot board of engine
$62 Stumbled on uneven walk
$57 Block of wood fell from car
$25 Slack ran out; 87 cars, 1 engine
$671 Fell from train
$400 Knocked down by car when cranking it
$192 Caught between apron and tender
$139 Setting hand brake
$150 Train derailed
$520 Brakeman stepped on toes
$50 Cab hit by a cut of cars
$25 Running to catch caboose
$50 Climbing up to see if box car was empty
$57 Unloading freight, gang board slipped
$1300 Foot caught in wire, fell
$107 Stepped in uncovered hole
$117 Getting on cab, fell to ground
$62 Knocked off the top of box car
$57 Catching train after closing switch
$53 Unloading car of cinders
$1500 Died from results of fall over switch stand
$1500 Lost sight of right eye

The time to secure the protection of the Accident Insurance Department is before you have an accident


[:I] my personal favorite was the insect bite ... have a great day! [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 1:21 AM


MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! A special THANX to trolleyboy Rob, barndad Doug & Trainnut484 Russell who helped make our return to Sunday Photo Posting Day! a fun time. [yeah][wow] Hope the “browsers” enjoyed the pix, I did! [tup][tup][tup]

A special note for a SPEEDY RECOVERY to Russell and his bout with Bronchitis and associated complications. [tup][tup][tup]

Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

When you come to a fork in the road, take it. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is the Grand Re-opening of The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre! Box office opens at 5 PM (Central time.) Double feature with a live stage show in between the flicks! [yeah]

(2) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 213 for “I have an idea!”

(3) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day” at the bar. Time for all model railroad hobbyists to discuss and display a couple of pix. [tup]

. . . Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite! and maybe something from Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Friday is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Saturday is Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 00:36:00 (214) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 00:40:32 (214) Inclusive Post, etc.

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 00:51:42 (214) Six Pix!

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 01:05:26 (214) Eight Pix!

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 05:25:53 (214) Six Pix!

(6) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 05:27:15 (214) Eight Pix!

(7) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 06:01:21 (214) Thru the mail slot!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 09:15:03 (214) ENCORE! Eight Pix! Part I

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 10:45:29 (214) ENCORE! Ten Pix! Part II

(10) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 11:02:34 (214) Thru the mail slot!!

(11) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 12:32:14 (214) Thru the mail slot!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 12:40:03 (214) ENCORE! Eleven Pix! Part III

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 14:12:00 (214) Four Pix!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 14:50:48 (215) ENCORE! Ten Pix! Part IV

(15) modelrailroadernut (none) Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 15:14:34 (215) What[?]

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 15:20:51 (215) Clock question

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 18:06:33 (215) reply to Theodorebear

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 18:33:08 (215) ENCORE! Four Pix!

(19) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 20:51:22 (215) Four Pix!

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jan 2006, 23:43:39 (215) Three Pix!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:43 PM
Good evening gentlemen. Wonderfull shots today.[tup] A quite good start to 2006 photo days I should say. I won't be overly wordy today as no one's here to listen. Just a couple quickies. Tom The via rail trip shots are always welcome and always scenic[:D][tup]. Doug Wonderful new shots,& thanks for the info on Fox Valley figured that you would know the score. [tup] Russel Encore shots count just as much,glad that you took the time to repost them. [tup] Hope the broncitus clears up, we need you frieing on all cylenders.

Okay enough yapping already. Here's a few more before Sunday's over with. Spread #3 more oddballs at Bayview jct.



Soo line SD60 along for the ride on a CPR run through train at Bayview jct.



Amtrak train sailing through Bayview jct. Enroute to Toronto.



Via train 94 cruising through Bayview jct.



This one's for Ted. Ex Chicago El car 48 at our museum. She does indeed have the ghost of PCC's past inside her. All the controls , brakes and electronics were transplanted into these more modern bodies. If all goes well this year. We may get a ride on her in May. She's joining the regular rotation in place of MS&C 107
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, January 8, 2006 8:51 PM
Good evening Tom and all. I know we're closed today so I'm slipping this thru the mail slot.

I had to go to the emergency room yesterday (Saturday) for a severe case of Bronchitis. I had a 104 degree fever, and it was very difficult to breathe. Just about as bad, I had a rib out of place. I started coughing Friday, and guess I coughed hard enough to get a rib out of alignment. I did not know about the rib until I visited my chiropractor prior to going to the ER. I know you're thinking "why go to a chiropractor BEFORE going to the ER? Well, ligaments can, when out of place, restrict your lungs from expanding while trying to take a breath. As soon as he adjusted the area around my ribs, I was able to breathe a little easier, but still very hard to, and my fever was still high. I don't know how anyone here thinks about chiropractors, but I think they do a great job. I have been going to one ever since I was an infant as I was born with a crooked spine.

My wife drove me from the Chiropractor's office to the ER. They got me right in, and right away they checked my heart, blood, put in a IV, took Xrays of my lungs, and put oxygen on me. The worst fear was pneumonia because of the high fever, but when they looked at the xrays, it was just Bronchitis. If I'd waited longer, it would've turned into pneumonia. I was prescribed Albuterol (an inhaler), and some antibiotics. I'm feeling better today, like 55 percent better. I should be back to 100 later this week.

Here are some ENCORE photos for SUNDAY PHOTO DAY. Sorry I don't have fresher offerings.

Branson Scenic Railway F9


SEKR Budd RDC car


Inside shot


BUDD RDC description


Enjoy

Russell

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 6:33 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Finally, some more pix from my May 2005 eastern Canada rail adventure (previously Posted on page 13) These were originally Posted for passengerfan Al, who had a specific question and a request.


Approaching Place Bonaventure, Montreal, Quebec - catenaries to the left


VIA Rail Station, Halifax, Nova Scotia


Westin Hotel adjacent to VIA Rail Station, Halifax, NS


Westin Hotel adjacent to VIA Rail Station, Halifax, NS



Enjoy and see y’all Monday morning! [tup]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 6:06 PM
For: Ted

What you are seeing is the time zone for Newfoundland - which is a "half-hour" zone. They are in the same zone as Bermuda, if that helps. [tup] Your eyesight is as keen as your perception! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:20 PM
Do I need a new Rx for glasses or is the top clock of the six "time zones" out of sync with the lower 5 (Park Dome Car)? Triffling point for sure, just hope I'm not going blind.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:14 PM
i posted a topic last month but i got one reply back but they didn"t know if it was right
it was on the tv show petticoat junction what was the true railroad line i want to model it or similiar
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:50 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Some pix from my May 2005 eastern Canada rail adventure (previously Posted on page 16)PART IV of IV

Two Park Cars - Revelstoke (right) - Evangeline (Left)


VIA Rail's Train #15, the "Ocean" at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Tom in Revelstoke Park car's dome


Mural at Truro, Nova Scotia


Farewell, Nova Scotia!


The six time zones of Canada


Tom & Claude at Moncton, New Brunswick


Crossing the St. Lawrence Seaway at Montreal, Quebec


Approaching Place Bonaventure, Montreal's Central Station


Train board at Montreal's Central Station


Enjoy!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:12 PM
The last steam locomotive used in Michigan’s scheduled rail passenger service in 1961 is being moved to a new home at the Illinois Railway Museum. GTW 6323 is seen at Pontiac, Michigan being given a progress check by owner, Robert T. Johnson during the haul over GTW track. Grand Trunk photo.


This is a sample of a hidden track flaw which can be detected by ultrasonic detectors.


Ann Arbor placed four McKeen Motor Cars in service in 1911. This scene at Samaria, Michigan was in 1912. Everett J. Payette collection.


In steam days on the Denver & Rio Grande Western, Thistle, Utah, was a busy helper station for eastbound trains leaving Salt Lake City for the Soldier Summit grade. Beside adding helpers, one of the common rituals performed in that little community after a heavy snowfall was calling of an engine, caboose, and Jordan Spreader. The call was for a trip down the Marysvale Branch to get the snowy white stuff dug out from between the rails and tossed aside to melt. Ice buildup was dangerous on branch lines, though less of a hazard on main lines, where the rails were taller and there was a definite warming effect from the constant flow of traffic.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:40 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Some pix from my May 2005 eastern Canada rail adventure (previously Posted on page 15)PART III of IV

VIA Rail station, Ottawa, Ontario


Similar train to Montreal from Ottawa


Evangeline Park car in Montreal's Central Station


Single bedroom "Roomette" in Chateau Brule car


Single bedroom "Roomette" in Chateau Brule car


Crossing the St. Lawrence Seaway on the Victoria Jubilee Bridge


Mural Lounge in the Evangeline Park car


Service bar in the Evangeline Park car


Dome of the Evangeline Park car


"Joanne" in the Bullet Lounge of the Evangeline Park car


Journey's end - F40PH's at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Enjoy!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:32 PM
Hello there Tom. I believe I see you lurking in the corner cleaning up the mess from last night. It's kind of hard to see thru the dirty windows above the mail slots, though.
I am still alive and kicking down here in Springfield and I have been keeping up with all the posts, which are the usual fine quality. My silence is because I feel I have nothing to add--my dad always said a person could learn more with their mouth shut. I have learned plenty lately.
CM3, happy belated birthday.
Theodorebear, the book was mailed from the main P.O. yesterday.
Tom, the book thru the mail idea sounds like a winner. Count me in on it later--I have entirely too many borrowed books to embark on another currently.
Everyone, enjoyed all the photos for posting day! Helps illustrate all the great posts we are blessed with.
Better close this small note and slip it thru the slot. I know OUR PLACE is closed but wanted to check to stay on the regular customer list.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:02 AM
I couldn't let this day slip by without commenting on the quality and profusion of the Pix so generously provided. So, I've "slipped" this note in the letter slot. More later but for now, Doug finally I see the lineage of the P.C.C. (St. Louis Car) to the C.R.T. #6101-6102. For years, I've been trying to detect any evidence of the P.C.C.s that were reshopped for C.R.T. subway and El duties. DUH, I was looking at the wrong cars (#1-50) all along. Except for the clerestory windows, there seemed to be no resemblance at all....now, I know why![banghead] Rob, that pix of the South Shore Car (standard length) at St. Charles is the same vintage that I rode from South Bend, IN to the loop (around 1964 or so)...smooth and fast.[tup] See you Blokes tomorrow at the "Grand Opening."
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 10:45 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Some pix from my May 2005 eastern Canada rail adventure (previously Posted on page 13)PART II of IV

Evangeline Park car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Chateau Brule sleeping car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Westbound F40PH's at Moncton, New Brunswick


VIA Rail's "Ocean" Train #15 westbound at Moncton, New Brunswick


Nearing journey's end at Montreal's Central Station


"My LRC car" at Ottawa, Ontario


Train #33 at Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Bus platform, Ottawa, Ontario


War Museum complex, Ottawa, Ontario


Enjoy!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 9:15 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Some pix from my May 2005 eastern Canada rail adventure (previously Posted on page 12) - PART I of IV

Montreal's Central Station train board


Carol in Revelstoke Park car at Montreal


Carol in Revelstoke Park car dome at Montreal


Dinner in the "Louise" Dining Car


Tom and Revelstoke Park Car in Moncton, NB


Passing Train #15, the "Ocean" north of Truro, NS w/Renaissance equipment


The "Ocean" at Halifax, NS


The "Ocean's" F40PH loco's at Halifax, NS


Enjoy!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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