"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[jdonald]

Mornin Tom & all: a coffee black and toasted bagel from the bakery if you please.
What a great finale to the Sunday photo posts for 2005. Rob Guess we were on the same track with "Tilly". Enjoyed seeing the Red Rockets again too! Tom Your train room makes me envious, obviously a labour of love.

Last Friday's furnace problem was cured with a little TLC and some WD40. I did find part of a cowboy and some distinkly armadillo droppings tho[:0]Anybody know anything about that[?]That should be cowboy boot[:I][:I]

Explanations for my pics-#1 shows CN#48 on the ready track at the Sarnia roundhouse after being turned and serviced, ready to go back to London in the evening. #2 Shows #48 arriving in Sarnia with train 621 the local from London.
#3&4 are Then & Now pics of Wabash #51 now known as Tilly. The colour shot is at the Elgin County Railway Museum in the summer of 2004. The b&w is at a roundhouse in St. Thomas-not sure who owned the property but there were locos from Wabash, C&O and CPR there.

Gotta run-probably back in th P.M.

Keep it on the rails

Don

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Monday once again, however, my guess is quite a few are off or on reduced work schedules. [yeah] A good way to begin this countdown to Christmas is to spend a bit of time with us by ordering a <light> breakfast from the menu board – have a cup of freshly brewed coffee and try some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! [tup]

Did you know that we haven’t heard from Trainnut484 Russell since Dec 4th - and - West Coast S Dave since Dec 6th [?] Sure is hard to be called a “regular” at that pace. [%-)][%-)]

THANX to barndad Doug - wanswheel Mike & trolleyboy Rob for taking the time to Post Pix and URLs for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup][tup][tup] Which, by the way, is the final one for 2005. Next up is Sunday, January 8th. Also THANX to pwolfe Pete – jdonald don & earlydiesels Dan for the Email contributions! [tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom:

Do not desire what you can’t acquire.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 05:24:37 (195) Pix spread

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 06:40:55 (195) Sunday Info & Summary

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 07:20:45 (195) Pix spread

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 08:09:37 (195) Pete’s pix - Part I of II

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 09:07:41 (195) Dan’s pix

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 10:08:41 (195) INDEX: 2005 Sunday Photo Posting Days!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 10:17:31 (196) Pix of Can-Am trainroom signs – Part I of II

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 11:44:24 (196) Don’s pix

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 12:01:05 (196) Wild Animals of the Can-Am – Part I of II

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 13:46:40 (196) Pete’s pix – Part II of II

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 14:47:40 (196) Pix of Can-Am trainroom signs – Part II of II

(12) wanswheel Mike Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 15:11:09 (196) URLs

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 15:53:02 (196) more Pix!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 16:42:05 (196) Wild Animals of the Can-Am – Part II of II

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 18:11:49 (196) Pix spread

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 18:34:40 (196) Pix spread

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Well, a happy new week to the early crowd. Yes Tom, Sunday Photo Posting Day was a resounding success due in no small part to your own efforts.[tup] In fact, let me toast a tall glass of Grapefruit Juice to everyone's efforts yesterday, hear, hear. Pete, thanks for going to the trouble of capturing the "Jones Store" (now Macey's) Kiddy's Train images. To think I rode in those little articulated coach seats as a Tot sixty years ago, caused a "lump in my throat."[^] Not just he Train, of course, but also the close family unity of a caring Mom, and Dad plus a "Brother/Sister bond" that still holds firm until the present. I guess there is a little Romantic in each of us, especially around the Holidays, thanks again.[bow] Rob, Barndad Doug, Mike, Rob, Don, and those alraedy mentioned, we salute you.[bow]

Probably people will be tied-up with committments to guests and family as we draw nearer to Christmas Day. That is to be expected. There was a time when travel was a must for my holidays and usually it was by rail. During the 1960s, there were many Service men and women taking trains and the major stations had U.S.O. (United Service Organizations) areas for us to have coffee, donuts, a sandwich, etc. That is when the individual begins to realize that he or she is part of something far greater than the "sum of its parts." The idea that there is a momentum guiding a Nation (not to be denied by cynical malcontents) prevails through all adversities. This is something any one who has served can never forget. Yes, I'm "waving the Flag" a bit for the sons, daughters, sisters, brothers or parents answering the "call to duty" in a world gone mad. Isn't it good to know, they are there for us?[soapbox]

Okay Boris, you are defintely included in the "staff party" plans as one of Santa's Elves.[:O] There was some debate that you should be one of the Reindeer by the by.[:-^] So, it is off with me to choose a Christmas Goose by M. Rifkowitz's deli, toys gum and Yo Yos Ltd. Then, I'll be researching [C=:-)] Nick's Archives for a proper recipe in the wine cellar.[:D] If I'm not back in 2 days, please send Leon down with a broom and a dust pan. Happy tails everyone.

[wanswheel]

Good morning Tom and everyone. A <light> break fast, some Great pix up there

Story and video clip of Arlo on The City of New Orleans avail at ABC website
.http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1416506 (slow load, sort of worth it)

Quote from Dec. 17 Washington Post:
"Trains run in the Guthrie family's blood; famous troubadour Woody Guthrie crisscrossed the country on freight trains visiting starving farmers and labor strikers, and many of his son Arlo's songs also pay homage to trains. In 1987, Arlo Guthrie traveled and sang on the Montrealer train in an unsuccessful attempt to persuade Amtrak not to discontinue that line.
"My dad's autobiography starts out on a freight train," said Guthrie, 58, who has spent most of this year touring. "Trains were built by robber barons, the wealthiest guys, and used by the unwealthiest, people who didn't have any other way to go. You can't hitch a ride on an airline, you can't even stick your thumb out on a highway anymore because it's illegal." "

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'd like my usual three light breakfasts please. Gotta stoke the fires! Great work on your Pix from yesterday. I highly recommend to all to enlarge each of Tom's pix in order to really see all that's there. What a great collection of signs and layout detail you've got there! Great work posting pix from Don and Pete too!

I always enjoy your pix, Rob ... keep 'em coming!

As a suppliment to the caboose pix I sent yesterday, here's some caboose info:

Caboose History -- Rail Classics Magazine Sept.1988

“Caboose,” a strange word for a strange railroad car that somehow survived more that a hundred years from the days of oil-burning lamps to the computer age. Origins of the car and the word are surrounded by as much legend as fact. One popular version dates the word back to the description of a ship’s galley derived from the Dutch word “kabuis.”

The use of cabooses started in the 1830s when railroads housed trainmen in boxcars or flatcars with shanties built on them. (new photo from IRM)


The addition of the cupola – a lookout post atop the car – is attributed to a conductor who discovered in 1863 that he could see his train much better if he sat atop boxes and watched through the hole in the roof of his boxcar. Cabooses served several functions. It was an office for the conductor. A “waybill” followed every car from origin to destination. The conductor kept the paperwork in the caboose.

The car also carried a brakeman and a flagman. In the days when trains did not have automatic air brakes, the engineer signaled the caboose with his whistle when he wanted to slow down or stop. The brakeman would climb out of the caboose and make his was forward on top of the cars, twisting the brake-wheels by using a stout club. A brakeman riding the engine would work his way toward the rear.

Once the train was stopped, the flagman would get off the caboose and walk back a safe distance with lanterns, flags and other warning devices to stop any approaching trains. Underway, the trainmen would sit up in the cupola and watch from smoke from overheated wheel journals, called hot-boxes, or other signs of trouble.

It was common for railroads to assign a caboose to a conductor for his exclusive use. Conductors took great pride in their cars – despite derogatory nick-names, including “crummy, doghouse, bone-breaker, snake wagon and hearse.” Conductors would decorate the interior of their cars with many touches of home, including curtains, family photos and, most importantly, ingredients for cooking meals that became a part of American folklore.

The car served as a “home away from home” for crewmen who slept in the car on trips away from their home terminals. Cabooses became a uniquely American tradition. Overseas, their use was rare or eliminated many years ago. Even in the United States, technological change began eliminating the need for cabooses before the turn of the century. The spread in the 1880s of the automatic air brake system invented by George Westinghouse eliminated the need for brakemen to manually set brakes. Air brakes were soon followed by the use of electric track circuits to activate signals, providing protection for trains and eliminating the need for flagmen.

Trains became longer, making it difficult for the conductor to see his train from the caboose. Freight cars became so high they blocked the view from the traditional cupola. Friction bearings were replaced by roller bearings, reducing the overheated journal and making visual detection by smoke unlikely. The heavy fast trains made on-board cooking hazardous and unnecessary. Cabooses were put into “pools| and not assigned to individual conductors. New labor agreements reduced hours of service and eliminated the need for cabooses for sleeping quarters as a result of lodging provided by the company.

Electronic “hotbox” and dragging equipment detectors were installed along main lines, which could check moving trains more efficiently and reliably than men in cabooses. Computers eliminated the conductor’s paperwork. Cabooses became expensive anachronisms.

The first major railroad in the United States to eliminate cabooses was the Florida East Coast Railway. Because of the technological advances and sweeping local labor changes, FEC dropped the cars in 1972. By the fall of 1982 the nation’s other major railroads and the United Transportation Union, which represents the trainmen who ride in cabooses, reached agreement on guidelines to begin eliminating the cars.

Studies by the Interstate Commerce Commission and a Presidential Emergency Board, which was appointed to settle the labor situation, concluded cabooses could be safely eliminated. The board estimated U.S. railroads would save approximately $400 million if cabooses were eliminated.

Union Pacific purchased its last cabooses in 1979 for $63,500 apiece. UP System has a fleet of about 1,500 cabooses. There are nearly 11,000 cabooses in service on all U.S. railroads. Cabooses today cost approximately $80,000. Other railroads which have begun eliminating cabooses include Conrail, Baltimore & Ohio, Norfolk Southern, Illinois Central Gulf, Seaboard System and Santa Fe.

[:I] keep in mind that this article was written almost 20 years ago! [:I]

[trolleyboy]

Another batch of pictures. I see Don posted a couple nice shots of the CNR tank loco 48.Also a couple neat shots of "Tilly" the Wabash shop switcher,now at the Elgin County Museum.



A shot of "tilly" I took in 1997



Pennsy 2-10-0 in Blaisdell NY


another shot of the "hippo"



shot number 3 of the "hippo"



Lackawanna caboose at Blaisdell NY



Nickle Plate Caboose at Blaisdell NY

Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening guys I haven't been in for a couple of days, totally wiped out at the moment I'm afraid. the pictures I've seen so far are the usual top notch caliber. Here's my contributions for this last posting day of the year.



Our Museum's open car 327 in Toronto, corner of Queen & Bay



PCC 4600 in front of rockwood station at the museum



PCC 4611 arriving at the museum,one of three 4600's delivered in 1996. These were the last series of PCC's ordered new by the TTC. We aquired three of them 4600,4611,4618



4618 in front of Barn #3 the Butler building.


Ex Cleveland PCC as TTC 4633,stored near barn 1 of the museum

Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II: Here are 6 more Pix of the wild animals of the Can-Am!

click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)


That's it for me this fine day - see ya in the mornin' ..... Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[Anonymous]

Hi guys! Just thought I'd share a few more pix!

From Rail Classics magazine July 1982

Toledo, Peoria & Western borrowed a Sante Fe Jordon spreader to clear their tracks February 1981. Photographer Roger A. Holmes caught them about four miles east os Westin, Illinois.


Until 1882 when a bridge was completed trains crossed the Missouri River between Bismarck and Mandan, North Dakota in the winter on track laid on ice. Ferry boat was used in summer. W.Kirk collection.


Flanger/snowplow waits in the heat of August for the snow to come in the cold prairie winter. Two unusual warnings are stenciled on the sides of the car.

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II: Here are 9 more Pix of the signs in the Can-Am trainroom!

click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)


(7)


(8)


(9)



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II Here are 6 more pix from Pete while in Kansas City and Jefferson City on Wednesday, May 12th (sorry, but detailed descriptions are unavailable at this time)

click to enlarge

(1) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(2) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(3) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(4) Eastbound Union Pacific at Jefferson City, MO (earlier in the day)


(5) Eastbound Union Pacific (rear) at Jefferson City, MO (earlier in the day)


(6) Eastbound Amtrak at Jefferson City (earlier in the day)



To view Pete’s album on my photo site, click on:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/RR%20pix%20from%20Pete/


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part I of II: Here are 6 Pix of the wild animals of the Can-Am!

click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)



Enjoy!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Here are 4 pix from Don for this fine day: sorry, detailed descriptions are unavailable at this time)

click to enlarge

(1) At Sarnia, Ontario, Canada


(2) At Sarnia, Ontario, Canada


(3)


(4)



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part I of II: Here are 9 Pix of the signs in the Can-Am trainroom!

click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)


(7)


(8)


(9)



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Ever wonder about those fine pix that have been Posted during past Sunday Photo Posting Days! [?] The guys who took the time and made the effort to provide one and all with some enjoyable pix deserve to have their work preserved. So, here’s something you may want to “bookmark” for future use:

INDEX: 2005 Sunday Photo Posting Days!

Begins on: . . . . . click on the URL

Page 112, 18 Sep 2005 First Photo Posting Sunday!
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=112&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 118, 25 Sep 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=118&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 124, 02 Oct 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=124&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 132, 09 Oct 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=132&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 138, 16 Oct 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=138&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 144, 23 Oct 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=144&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 150, 30 Oct 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=150&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 156, 06 Nov 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=156&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 161, 13 Nov 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=161&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 168, 20 Nov 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=168&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 175, 27 Nov 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=168&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 182, 04 Dec 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=182&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 188, 11 Dec 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=188&TOPIC_ID=35270

Page 195, 18 Dec 2005
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=195&TOPIC_ID=35270


My early Christmas gift to YOU![;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Here are 5 pix from Dan for this fine day: These pix were taken at the Midland Railway earlier in the year by Dan’s other half. They show Dan at the throttle of Katy (MKT) RS3 #142.


click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)



To view the Midland Railway site, click on:
http://www.midland-ry.org/


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part I of IIHere are 6 pix from Pete while in Kansas City on Wednesday, May 12th (sorry, but detailed descriptions are unavailable at this time)

click to enlarge

(1) At KCity Union Station


(2) At KCity Union Station


(3) At KCity Union Station


(4) At KCity Union Station


(5) At KCity Union Station


(6) At KCity Union Station


To view Pete’s album on my photo site, click on:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/RR%20pix%20from%20Pete/


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[Anonymous]

From railroad Magazine – November 1972


Huge swarms of caterpillars caused problems on one of the Cumbres & Toltec Railway’s steep grades near Cumbres Pass on Sunday, June 24, 1972. With one man pounding the sand dome and another sweeping the rails, narrow-gage 2-8-2 484 tries to get train up mountain. Trip finally completed after lots of “seashore” was used on the rails. Jerrol F. Hilton.

Philadelphia, Pa. : looking west at 10th and Market streets on December 21, 1907. Trolley destination sign says “Market St. Ferries.” We see horses and wagons, Christmas shoppers, boys in short pants, and Market Street subway construction. (Collection of Harry P. Albrecht, publisher)



Last coaling tower still standing on the Denver & Rio Granda Western’s narrow-gage line is this oldtimer at Chama, New Mexico, pictured as the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railway’s train pulled out of Chama on June 24th. Engine is No. 484. Jerrold F. Hilton


Tom working on his $-Capades layout? Photo by Jeff Bryer.

I took these pix at IRM this last Friday


Here’s the new grating for IRM’s Three-Truck Shay


Here’s the steam shop extension at IRM, all set for the County to inspect for occupancy.

[siberianmo]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We are CLOSED on SUNDAY! We open at 6 AM Monday all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

This is Sunday Photo Posting Day! Post ‘em if you got ‘em – and REMEMBER, we DO NOT engage in two-way dialogue on this day. Slip your pix through the slots on either set of front doors, and they will get Posted!


Daily Wisdom:

You never know your luck ‘til the wheel stops.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 06:38:55 (195) Maintaining the Way, Part V, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 06:47:39 (195) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 07:03:31 (195) He’s not amused!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 08:24:33 (195) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 08:32:01 (195) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – ACL

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 11:34:58 (195) Inclusive Post, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 12:15:54 (195) reply to Theodore Bear, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 12:26:41 (195) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – SAL

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 14:34:13 (195) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 19:38:28 (195) reply to wanswheel, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 19:44:54 (195) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – D&RGW

(12) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 19:56:23 (195)

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

The following pix are from a series called “Caboose Watch”, which was started September 1988 in Rail Classics magazine.

Wooden Union Pacific caboose was photographed in Grand Island, Nebraska in 1898. Union Pacific Historical Collection


Southern Pacific uses bay window cabooses on main line trains. Older cupola caboose may show up on branch lines. Ed Stauss photo.


This modern Union Pacific caboose was painted silver for service on a train wreck. Ed Stauss photo


Detroit, Toledo & Ironton caboose was street running in Cincinnati in 1983. Ed Stauss photo


During Penn Central’s brief existence, their caboose fleet was a widely varied collection from their predecessor roads, but all painted in New York Central green. Walter Olevsky photo.


Erie-Lackawanna Railway caboose in classic maroon, gray, and yellow is former Delaware, Lackawanna & Western unit built on the frame of an old steam locomotive tender. They had a reputation for being hard riding. Walter Olevsky photo.


Western Pacific bay-window caboose is at Reno, Nevada. Walter Olevsky photo.


Ontario Northland caboose seen at Northbay, Ontario. Walter Olevsky photo.

[Anonymous]

Evening Tom, I'll take a tequila sunrise, please. Is there anything going on here tonight?Awful quiet. I'll walk over to the jukebox and find some Hank Snow--been wanting to hear him sing Canadian Pacific, then perhaps some Johnny Cash.
The fallen flags segment are informative. I find myself connecting bits and pieces of railroad trivia in my head with the facts presented and DUH the light bulb goes off in my fogged brain and something clicks.
When to the local hobby emporium today to pick up Theodorebear's book and kibitzed while all the regulars there. Despite not being a modeler myself, I'm picking up some about model rrs. I did work at a hobby shop right out of high school many moons ago, however. I prefer my railroading in 12'to 1' scale.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first appeared on page 116)

Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW) [img]

Headquarters: Denver, CO

Mileage:

1950: 2,413
1995: 2,238 including trackage rights routes

Rolling stock as of 1963: Freight cars – 12,610 Passenger cars – 96

Principal lines in 1950:

Denver-Bond, CO-Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Pueblo-Dotsero, CO
Pueblo-Trinidad, CO
Walsenburg-Alamosa, CO
Alamosa-Durango, CO
Salida-Gunnison, CO
Mears Junction-Alamosa
Alamosa-Creede, CO
Bond-Craig, CO
Grand Junction-Ouray, CO
Thistle-Marysvale, UT
Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & Western Pacific)
Colorado Eagle (St. Louis-Pueblo-Denver, joint w/MoPac)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & WP, replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Mountaineer (Denver-Montrose, CO, via Moffat Tunnel)
Panoramic (Denver-Ogden)
Prospector (Denver-Salt Lake City)
Rio Grande Zephyr (Denver-Ogden [later cut back to Salt Lake City], replaced California Zephyr 1970-83)
Royal Gorge (Denver-Pueblo-Ogden)
San Juan (Alamosa-Durango, CO)
The Silverton (Durango-Silverton, CO)
The Yampa Valley (Denver-Craig)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Cindy Thanx for watching the store - I'll take it 'til closing. What's that [?] Do I MIND if you stick around - weeeeeeeellllllllllll, of course noooooooooooot! [wow]

Just the thought of Spam, no matter how packaged, makes me want to had for the rail. <yuck> Not today, not tomorrow, not ever! [tdn] How nice of you, Doug to bring that wonderful thought and image back to the fore. [swg] And, you Mike just keeping it going. Oh, but then again, you don't read my stuff - so what's the point! [?] <grin>

We the "scenic route" back from our afternoon/evening out. Traveled a road that is parallel to a double track mainline that used to be quite active back in the apex of passenger rail in these parts. Didn't see one train - zip, zero, zilch. All of those "Eagles" that MoPAC used to operate traveled those tracks along with many others heading west out of downtown St. Louis. That was then and this is now. Also passed right by the "Trainwreck Saloon," which was originally call the Nine Mile House, which is the model building that "Our" Place is fashioned after. Kinda neat living so close to something that relevant to what this cyber bar 'n grill is patterned after.

Oh, yes - the play, "A Christmas Carol" was well done and most entertaining. The troupe is out of Nebraska and they really put on qujite a show with some wonderful sets as well. Slowly but surely, we'll ultimately get to Fa-La-La Land! [swg]

The one bit of trivia I read about SAL is that the name had absolutely nothing to do with airlines, ergo the name Air (space) Line - traveling on air so to speak.. I concur, it is a rather strange name given the definition most would apply to it.

I too traveled by rail in my early days in the service - then from New London, CT to NYC and back. Many of those trips were in the tavern or club cars and I can't remember buying a drink. It was surely a different time and place.for the serviceman. When [?] 1957.

Okay guys - I'm here 'til closing.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Tom you caught me, I don't actually read your stuff. You did give Leon the night off, and surely the gals did take care of me but somehow I just don't remember last night. Must have been the gin. Maybe I'd have a better grasp of the distaff staff if you'd post their pictures.

Ted it wasn't so much an apology as a frank admission that I know when I'm playing out of my league. Not the first time. If nothing else Our Place has re-charged some dead brain cells. Before reading Rob, it never occurred to me that those wires and contraptions on the roof of the New Haven might have interestingly catchy words like caternary and pantograph. And from the atlas, Fife is found by the Firth of Forth, who knew?

Seaboard Air Line, ironic name for a railroad. Often just across the platform from an LIRR train at Penn Station. I believe I was aboard in 1966. After my first time home in the Army, Christmas 3-day pass. I rode north in a '64 Mustang convertible but I took the train back, and on it, the troops about took over the club car, a 700-mile party. Who bought the drinks I'll never know. It wouldn't have been me, I was underage. Train was coming into Columbia late at night, after the city buses had stopped running. Rather than drop a hundred soldiers downtown, somebody smart detoured the train to Ft. Jackson. Easy walk, tracks not too far from the barracks.

Mr. Spam-Man is not too far off topic. Those hogs didn't walk to the slaughterhouse. There was an excellent documentary about Chicago on PBS. In the late 1800s Swift Premium shipped dressed beef under rudimentary refrigeration, with ice stations strategically placed along the route through Canada. Cheaper to ship by the pound than livestock in cattle cars.

Roaring Camp car in the consists brings to mind the Bret Harte short stories. http://www.Roaringcamp.com/steam.html

[siberianmo]

G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first appeared on page 115)

Seaboard Air Line (SAL)

Headquarters: Norfolk, VA

Route mileage in 1950: 4,146

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 531

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 27,560; Passenger cars – 446

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Homestead, FL (Miami) via Columbia, SC & Jacksonville & Auburndale, FL
Coleman-St. Petersburg, Fl
Hamlet, NC-Savannah, GA
Norlina, NC-Norfolk
Hamlet-Birmingham, AL
Savannah, GA – Montgomery, AL
Baldwin-Chattahoochee, FL
Baldwin-Gross, FL (bypass of Jacksonville)
Waldo-Sulphur Springs, FL
Plant City-Fort Myers, FL
Durant-Venice, FL
Hull-Port Boca Grande, FL
Valrico-West Lake Wales, FL

Passenger trains of note:

Cotton Blossom (Washington, DC-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (Jacksonville-New Orleans)
New York-Florida Limited (New York-Miami)
Orange Blossom Special (New York-Miami)
Palmland (New York-Tampa & Boca Grande, FL)
Silver Meteor (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Ft. Myers)
Silver Comet (New York- & Portsmouth, VA-Birmingham)
Silver Star (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Boca Grande, FL)
Sunland (Washington & Portsmouth-Miami & Venice; formerly Southern States Special, Sun Queen & Camellia)
Suwannee River Special (Cincinnati-Florida destinations)

Of note: SAL passenger trains were handled by RF&P & PRR north of Richmond.
L&N handled the Gulf Wind west of Chattahoochee.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Hey Ted you have emerged from the Rat's Patoot Room feeling a bit less stressed and ready to meet what's left of this fine day! Well, have one on me and don't let the b-tards get ya down! [swg]

In my model RR preferences, for some strange reason, I've always enjoyed the track planning, laying and the rest. The electrical just comes naturally and if one were to look on the underside of my control panel - well spaghetti might be a good way to describe the myriad of wires running hither and yon! I do it all the "old fashioned" way - straight DC - kinda the way I like my JD - straight! [swg]

I got into the landscaping end of the hobby only because my neighbor and friend backed off his promise to to that aspect of my Can-Am layout. In fairness to him, I did wind up building quite an ambitious layout at 35 ft in length, multi level and a width of 15 1/2 at its widest point. [yeah] I can understand a bit of trepidation. [swg] Anyway, after waiting for what seemed to be an interminable amount of time for him to "show up," I decided to have a go myself. The pix speak for themselves. Hardly anything that would make the magazines, but to me and a handful who have seen the operation - well, it satisfies. (Sounds like an old cigarette commercial, eh [?]) Anyway, since that humble beginning, the Polar Express shelf system and the S-Capades have been added. So, now I'm comfortable with it, I suppose. Have to admit that I really enjoy the details - the little things along trackside, evidence of realism - nice.

Well, we've got a few things to get finished 'round here before departing. CINDY HAS THE BAR, Gentlemen! Behave! [swg][}:)][;)][:-,]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Its me again, having regained some composure from the last effort. Hi Tom, alas no, I was on the Thread with the labors. Progress Energy Florida is much like some remote area in say, lower Slobovia. The rates however have jumped a third higher since the last hurricanes "boped" through. A real bargain in anyone's ledger, right?[xx(] Please, a Crown in a cuppa Joe. That Irish Cafe au Laite is way too sweet. My blood sugar broke the hydrometer last time.[tdn] Hey, I love the idea of an I.C. model Pike and the chores assigned seem ideal.[tup] You Rob and Nick can "duke it out" over the track plan while I watch the "details."[(-D] A.C.L. another Road seldom heard from but certainly an innovative group here in Dixieland. Sounds like you guys are "linning up your ducks" for splendid Holiday entertainments. Andy William's show can't be surpassed for solid musical content and fine Yuletide spirit.

Barndad Doug, never saw so many gargantuan contraptions in all me born daze. The Spreader takes the prize for over-all ambience and "classy" look...right out of "The Twilight Zone."[tup] I will definetly add a 120 ton crane as a gaulking piece eventually. Thanks for bringing "reality" home with all of your submissions.[^] Mike, never apologize for participating hereabouts. As I mentioned before, "Our" Place is not that kind of thread with the preditory instincts of so many others, relax and enjoy.[:D]

Rob, you were right on we need better sound proofing for the upstairs rooms. I just heard Awk shriek "Boris, get your patoot up here."[:)] Hope your not snowed under yet, another 6 or so days 'til the Fat Man hits the chimney. If my electric bill gets any higher, I'll take all the coal Santa has in his duffle bag.[swg] Well, I'd best move along 'cause I need to buy some Stockin' Stuffers for friends around town. I won't go into where I'd like to see the things "stuffed." Okay Boris, glad you found Tex and the rounds are on me for the next ten minutes. So "have at it."[^] I said, 'have at it' Boris.... Bink. Gimme dat lanyard [alien]...CLANG, CLANG, CLANG Oh my gosh, how much is that Tom? [:(!] Let's see thirty minutes at......

[siberianmo]

G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 114)

Atlantic Coast Line (ACL)

Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL

Route mileage in 1950: 5,528

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 170
Passenger: 62
Dual mode (freight/passenger): 234
Switchers: 119

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 28,847; Passenger cars – 405

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Tampa, FL, via Jacksonville and Orlando.
Wilson-Wilmington, NC
Wilmington-Pee Dee (Florence) SC
Winston-Salem, NC-Florence
Florence-Atlanta
Brunswick, GA-Montgomery, AL
Birmingham, AL-Waycross, GA
Albany-Dunnellon, FL
Jacksonville-St. Petersburg, FLA via Gainesville, Leesburg and Trilby
Dupont, GA-Naples, FL

Passenger trains of note:

East Coast Champion (New York-Miami)
West Coast Champion (New York-Tampa & St. Petersburg & Sarasota)
Tamiami Champion – Predecessor of East and West Coast Champions
Florida Special (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg)
Miamian (Washington-Miami)
Vacationer (New York-Miami)
Havana Special (New York-Key West, FL)
Palmetto (New York-Savannah & Augusta & Wilmington)
Everglades (New York-Jacksonville)
Gulf Coast Special (New York-Tampa & Ft. Myers & St. Petersburg; formerly Havana Special)

Of note: North of Richmond, RF&P and PRR handled passenger trains.
South of Jacksonville, FEC handled trains bound for Miami and Key West.
SAL handled trains headed for Miami south of Auburndale, FL in 1963.

Other carrier’s trains destined to Florida, such as the City of Miami – South Wind – Flamingo – Dixie Limited – Dixie Flyer – Seminole and Southland were combined with named ACL trains.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

Saturday and a day to get all the loose ends straightened out before the rapid acceleration to Christmas! A cold monrin’ here in mid-continent – blue skies – light to no breeze and just a glorious day. Oh yes, petrol up at “Collusion Corner” is at $2.19 (rounded) and been so for the past few days (daze).

To the acknowledgments:

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 22:39:15

Sorry, but Leon had the weekend off – previously announced. [swg] Nonetheless, I’m sure that the Gals of “Our” Place took care of YOU! [yeah][wow]

Toronto is a marvelous place to visit and yes, it has most certainly undergone many changes over the decades. What city hasn’t [?] My experiences date back some, but over the past 15 or more years, usually get there at least once a year, sometimes more. Here’s the “thing” I’ve found with any of my travels and interests in other places – just keep the “politics” out – remove any biases from one’s mind about this ‘n that, and I’ve always found the visits to be splendid. Appreciating the differences is far better than criticizing them, wouldn’t you agree [?]

Your connection with real railroading is something that adds much to the credibility of our group and we are most happy to have you on board! [tup][tup][tup]

barndad Doug
Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 06:38:55

I think perhaps you need to edit your Post – something didn’t come through in the opening line.

Oh, I knew you were going to work in heated spaces, but getting that loco to the other location, etc., involves outdoor work and winding up in unheated places! [swg] Just “jangling” your chain, Mate! [swg]

Your series on “Maintaining the Way” surely is something that has provided me with insights never before realized. Lots of effort goes into that kind of work – something many who ride the rails simply take for granted. That’s life – what goes on behind the scenes in order to make everything function as it is supposed to is relatively easy to ignore. We are all guilty from time to time. Thanx for the series! [tup][tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 07:03:31

Power outage, again [?] What gives ‘down there’ with your utility company [?] That IS worth a stay in the Rat’s Patoot Room indeed! Hope you were in the word processor and not directly on the thread, for at least some of your work would be retrievable.

We’re off to catch some live theatre this fine afternoon at one of the mid-west’s finest venues. The St. Louis Fox Theatre is a throwback to the glory days of not only movie going, but the vaudeville and live entertainment from decades past. Today we’ll be entertained with a touring company’s version of “A Christmas Carol.” Then Tuesday it’s the “Andy Williams Christmas Show” at the same venue. Friday we’ll be downtown at the Savvis Center for some holiday music by the “Trans Siberian Orchestra.” So, this year, rather than travel away from St. Louis, we’ll be taking in the entertainment here. Most times we are in KCity for some part of November/December, but we’ve decided to give Juneau a respite from the kennel and remain close to home. Priorities! [swg]


Catch y’all later on this ENCORE! Day.

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good mornin' all you Breakfast Clubbers. Tom, we just had a 15 second power outage after I was 45 minutes into my morning post. I will be back shortly, after I "work out" for about an hour in the "Rat's Patoot Room." Give or take an hour as I need to "chew the rug" for an appropriate period as well.[:(!] Later Gents.