Flintlock76The PRR had something the N&W could actually use?
Five somethings, if I remember correctly -- ex-class K3s (that on N&W were reclassed E3s as that was the class letter for the somewhat gawky-looking 'indigenous' Pacifics.)
http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/thumbs/photos/NW06323.jpg
(sorry about the watermark...)
Hard to beat these for classic 80"-drivered good looks, even with the N&W ... twist ... in detail. But they did not last very long (apparently only into the mid-Thirties) whereas some of the latter 'regular' engines worked all the way into the late Forties.
Some revenge may be had in that the NWHS Commissary will sell you a pack of diagram cards that includes the E3, but not any E1 to E2b...
Overmod Flintlock76 I just remembered the old Frankish king "Charles the Hammer." Maybe N&W was "Mike the Mallet?" Ed was the King of Mallets. And he too knows it was the other way round with Y3s. What the PRR provided to N&W was Pacifics.
Flintlock76 I just remembered the old Frankish king "Charles the Hammer." Maybe N&W was "Mike the Mallet?"
Ed was the King of Mallets.
And he too knows it was the other way round with Y3s. What the PRR provided to N&W was Pacifics.
Wow. The PRR had something the N&W could actually use?
And Yankee locomotives to boot?
Well, it's a wasted day if you don't learn something new...
Miningman A 'shad-belly' car circa 1878. These cars had the floor between the wheel wells, or ‘trucks,’ lowered so that the cars would look more stable and people wouldn't worry about the cars tipping over. MiningmanA 'shad-belly' car circa 1878. These cars had the floor between the wheel wells, or ‘trucks,’ lowered so that the cars would look more stable and people wouldn't worry about the cars tipping over.
MiningmanA 'shad-belly' car circa 1878. These cars had the floor between the wheel wells, or ‘trucks,’ lowered so that the cars would look more stable and people wouldn't worry about the cars tipping over.
I love that extra-large size headlamp, it was almost 1/54 of the size of the steam engine! The 'shad-belly' car predictably reminds me of Budd built Tubular Train on PRR's Keystone (NYC-DC), an unsuccessful product designed by the country's top railroaders in the 1950s. I love streamlined cars with the long skirts; Pennsy couldn't remove all of the skirts on these good looking streamlined passenger cars since the belly is part of the structure which contained the floor with most of the coach-seat on it. The 1878 'shad-belly' had more windows, but heavy rain would have caused trouble for the passenger due to leaking.
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Flintlock76I just remembered the old Frankish king "Charles the Hammer." Maybe N&W was "Mike the Mallet?"
OvermodHow ya figure that?
It's a bit of a pun.
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
Some other 'roads got N&W Mallets as well, however I don't remember who they were. More wartime expedients. I'll have to go into the archives and see if I can find out who they were.
N&W was the "King of Mallets" all right. Nothin' anyone could tell them about building Mallets.
I just remembered the old Frankish king "Charles the Hammer." Maybe N&W was "Mike the Mallet?"
OK, I did some checking on that Y3 diaspora during the war, and here's how it went...
Eight to the Santa Fe, six to the PRR (who classified them as HH-1's), and five to the Union Pacific.
Penny Trains Flintlock76 Pennsy did have some Mallets They gave them all to their subsidiary road, the king of mallets, N&W.
Flintlock76 Pennsy did have some Mallets
They gave them all to their subsidiary road, the king of mallets, N&W.
How ya figure that?
It was the other way round, PRR got 10 Y-3s from N&W, I think for use in Columbus and on the Sandusky branch later so famous for 2-10-4s, as a wartime expedient.
Doubt N&W had any use for the CC2 Mallets PRR built, or for the HC1, glorious as it was...
Flintlock76Pennsy did have some Mallets
They gave them all to their susidiary road, the king of mallets, N&W.
Cool pictures!
Oh yeah, the Pennsy did have some Mallets, but they never went in for them in a big way. Too bad in a sense, it's been said by some the experience of handling two engines under one boiler might have served them in good stead when the duplexes showed up on the property. Not quite the same thing certainly, but it might have helped a bit.
That pick-up truck's a gas. There's some very clever machine shop work there!
That last picture. Aren't they sorry they removed those switch handles?
More strange railroad items:
A 'shad-belly' car circa 1878. These cars had the floor between the wheel wells, or ‘trucks,’ lowered so that the cars would look more stable and people wouldn't worry about the cars tipping over.
2) Sticking with The Elevated... how about this, Flying Junctions, Diamonds and Towers in the sky!
This is an 1878 view of the Third Avenue Line El train tracks, looking north up the east side of the Bowery, at Chatham Square in lower Manhattan, New York. (AP Photo)
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Pennsylvania Railroad compound Mallet 7693 pulling a string of cars across the CA&C crossing headed for the PRR’s Pennor Yard. Number 7693 is a class CC-2s, 0-8-8-0 used in hump and transfer service in Columbus. The time is the 1940’s, photo from the Jay Williams Collection.
Well whaddyaknow, Pennsy actually had a Mallet or two .
4) Heck of a way to power a railroad.
New Zealand Railway Observer (No.140) from 1974 relates: "In September 1952 the Heisler had to be withdrawn from service. It was found uneconomic to attempt the necessary major overhaul, so arrangements were made for a contractor, Mr Oliver Smith, to undertake the log haulage to the mill using "ingenious rail tractors consisting of motor trucks each mounted on two powered bogies." And that I'm afraid is basically the only information I'm able to give on the motive power at Mamaku.
The line commenced at the NZR Stores Branch sawmill at Mamaku, crossed over the main NZR line near the station, and then headed south into the bush.
#5 Long way around to throw a switch!
Kingsbury Ave. Chicago Apr. 2007
Penny Trains Flintlock76 I wonder where that is? Laos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Det%E2%80%93Don_Khon_railway Bit of a rough ride! By Christophe95 - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=79801760
Flintlock76 I wonder where that is?
Laos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Det%E2%80%93Don_Khon_railway
Bit of a rough ride!
By Christophe95 - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=79801760
Wow. Ain't nobody gonna run trains on that bridge no more!
Jeez, I wouldn't even WALK on it!
Good one Becky, goats on a goat! I wonder where that is?
That US Post Office truck in the tree! The first thing that came to mind was "Are Stan and Ollie in the area?"
And just to show you how some things don't change...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJ5pHiLVZM
Definitely a 'Very Strange Thing' while being educational and demonstrative.
I got one for ya! What is a common nickname for a yard switcher? Give up? Here's the answer!
By Basile Morin - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=63084672
1) Does this come with straws?
2) Once a magnificient vision, and attained, only to be destroyed. The Milwaukee Road. End of the vision.
3) Baldwin and Union Pacific are not exactly synonymous, as in Baldwin and the Pennsylvania. They threw them a bone however and bought six AS-616's from Baldwin in 1952. They toiled away in yard service in Omaha until Oct 1968 and then they were scrapped.
4) Leaving on a more humorous note, I see the US Postal Service is about just as good as the Royal Canadian Mail.
Penny Trains I've always thought this version of CN's paint scheme was the best:
I've always thought this version of CN's paint scheme was the best:
I recall a cartoon where a crewman looking at a unit with this scheme just outside a wash rack said:
"The black paint has lifted showing the grey primer..."
Peter
Thornton made Canadian National into the original ONE Team (the current slogan management refers to themselves by) out of a bunch of sometimes bitter rivals. Without his efforts the CPR would probably have acquired at least some choice major parts of the current CN system, with the rest being left as a true government ward.
Tellier finished what Thornton, 'dieseling Donald' Gordon, Norm MacMillan and Dr. Robert Bandeen started. Then Hunter came and tried to wreck it all. Giving Harrison all that authority was Tellier's great mistake, I don't think he knew quite what was about to happen.
Miningman 20 units in green and gold, should have leased, refurbished and put 6060 out there on a cross continent wide good will tour, with a train of green and gold. Also another 10 heritage units, Canadian Northern, Grand Trunk, CV and so on.
20 units in green and gold, should have leased, refurbished and put 6060 out there on a cross continent wide good will tour, with a train of green and gold. Also another 10 heritage units, Canadian Northern, Grand Trunk, CV and so on.
For the record, this is only part of what I would have done, had I been placed in charge of the 'celebrations'.
I would have to say that this version of the 'zebra stripes' is my favourite CN diesel paint scheme. As much as I hated running these things, they sure looked great when new:
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=12881
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Ohh.. the bird poop one! It was better than the w.w.w. one.
Sir Henry Thornton would vehemently disagree, as would I.
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SD70Dudethen again, this marks 100 years since a bunch of bankrupt railways were nationalized by our Federal government.
He has a point. What you're actually commemorating now is the kludge, not what Tellier & Co. subsequently made out of the franchise... most of the century later. That probably accounts for the relative absence of component-road heritage units ... I particularly wanted to see interpretations of the Canadian Northern 'heritage'
The actual celebrations for the modern CN as a cyanide-radical superpower probably begin sometime in the 2090s. But they are depressingly likely to have a substantial Hunteresque component...
The thing is, it all depends on who's butts are in the seats at the corporate level. Some people running a business realize 100 years is a hell of a milestone, it's hard to count on the fingers of two hands how many companys last that long, or longer, and are more than willing to ballyhoo the fact.
For example, 2020 marks the 120th anniversary of the Lionel Corporation. They're not making the big deal of it the way they did the 100th anniversary in 2000, but they're also not letting it pass unremarked.
Others just don't care. "BFD, what's this quarter's figures like?"
Just the way it is.
20 units in green and gold, should have leased, refurbished and put 6060 out there on a cross continent wide good will tour, with a train of green and gold. Also another 10 heritage units, Canadian Northern, Grand Trunk, CV and so on. A bit of planning and foresight and some moolah but 100 years only comes once. Cripes it's history and this is how CN wants to be remembered in the history books for future generations.
'100 CN'.. 100 What? 100 bottles of beer on the wall. Gaaar-baaage
The 'CN 100' logo is painted on. The round Native relations logo on the side of the nose actually is a sticker, and I suspect they will start peeling off after a couple years. Just like the EcoConnections ones from 5 or 10 years ago.
I agree that they should have put a lot more effort into this anniversary. But, then again, this marks 100 years since a bunch of bankrupt railways were nationalized by our Federal government. The current company does not like thinking about that part of its history.
Classic? Yes because we are dealing with 100 years.
Strange Thing-- Yes. This is what CN comes up with for their 100 year anniversary? The only people impressed with this are the investors as CN must have spent at least $27.00 at Staples to come up with this peel and stick embarrassment.
This is ridiculously ridiculous. It's a banana duct taped to the wall, nothing more than that.
CSSHEGEWISCH I'll vote for the IHB and BRC bi-centennials: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2392714 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4663992
I'll vote for the IHB and BRC bi-centennials:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2392714
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4663992
Not bad, not bad at all!
The red and blue striping on the IHB switcher reminds me of the North Carolina militia flag used at the Battle of Guilford Courthouse in 1781. Have a look...
http://www.ncpedia.org/guilford-courthouse-flag
I call it the "Betsy Ross on drugs" flag.
Considering how fast the Southern dieselized I very much doubt if they cared what that roundhouse foreman's attitude was.
"You don't like 'em Pop? Well learn to like 'em, or there's the door!"
Considering Bicentennial schemes. Some were good, some not so good, some downright bizarre, but in my humble opinion the lowly Susquehanna had the best of them all.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/35796790453
Simple, understated, and tastefully done.
As far as military tribute locomotives go I think the recent efforts from Canadian Pacific are superb!
Flintlock76What the hell is THAT?
Concept art for the SF movie "Snowpiercer".
(The train in the actual film was, as I recall, very different)
This looks to me as if derived from the Russian IS 2-8-4 that received the Kantola-esque shroud. I'm tempted to say you could easily use one of those 'ignored' AMC Berkshires as a starting point and get something highly interesting... it's really not much more radical than C&O 490.
Taking Vinces pictures seriatim... 1) Yep, Russian all right. They can't get past "Socialist Realism," that is, it doesn't have to look good, it just has to work!
1) Yep, Russian all right. They can't get past "Socialist Realism," that is, it doesn't have to look good, it just has to work!
Looks like a mid-2000s Audi to me, and they could have done this fully explicitly with only a little tinkering. The 'regular' TEP 7s don't have this look, and neither do the 'newer' versions of the general engine design, so this is indeed a styling 'thing'...
3) The NYC elevated. That particular section's obviously outlived it's usefulness, or someone thinks it has.
Is it not part of what is now the "High Line" park?
4) Um, I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but I think that KCS locomotive's a bit over the top. Need to dial it back a bit.
Compared to almost any recent 'commemorative' design, including any of the other ones celebrating armed forces -- and a very, very long subset of 'Bicentennial' schemes -- this is a paragon of taste. My only real 'complaint' is that the back end is drab. Probably by intent, but it would be easy to fix with a little something that picks up whatever the 'theme' is intended to be: flags, national pride, etc.
I argued years ago that one of the World War I commemoratives ought to be dazzle-painted, which can be incredibly striking and in many respects still 'modern-looking'. The problem, of course, is that effective schemes to make something large 'not be seen' is, shall we say, amazingly counterproductive for locomotives that drivers and trespassers should avoid...
5) All those diesels! A "Prosperity Special" for the 21st Century?
Yeah, promotion for the investor class, over the fact that all those locomotives are leaving the property -- cutting expenses and adding revenue to the year's bottom line as they go, and being a lovely Armour-yellow billboard advertising the magnitude of the fact. Perhaps it's more than a bit like that German stunt with the cruise ship in the late 1930s -- tour the train of locomotives around the country, laughing as railroad after railroad refuses to acquire them...
6) Reminds me of a story of a Southern Railway's roundhouse foreman when the first diesels began to show up... "You ain't bringin' those streetcars in MY SHOP!"
"You ain't bringin' those streetcars in MY SHOP!"
Well, some of those were DL-109s, and the ATSF story about their 'streetcar motors' dripping solder on the ties of Raton Pass is recorded. (Right after the anecdote about how the sides went in and out as the units idled, and the things shook the dining car tightlock-coupled behind in consist so hard coffee slopped out of cups...)
I can see why he might have heard enough to be upset at this.
I would also be interested to see how his attitude changed with a little more experience of the good ones. Southern dieselized remarkably early.
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