Thanks, Miningman and Wayne! I am looking forward to his new "Classic Train Station" .
Jones 3D Modeling Club https://www.youtube.com/Jones3DModelingClub
Flintlock76He's not through railroadin' yet!
Never doubted that for a second!
Same me, different spelling!
One last post on the "Strange Things" thread.
Vince, our lost "Miningman," asked me to say a final good-bye for him to all of you, his loyal fans and followers, he's not ever going to attempt a come-back here, even under a disguise.
BUT, with some new electronic toys on hand he's going to try doing a new classic railroading website of his own! I'll be sure to keep everyone posted "if and when" it debuts.
He sends his fond regards to all! He's not through railroadin' yet!
In my own humble way I'm going to try and put a little more life in this thread.
How's about three minutes of Jersey Central?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfIILYpsD8
Watch the starbord side of the YouTube screen, there's more where this came from!
BaltACD daveklepper I don't mind if someone makes a buck by using one of my posted photos. Most people are ethical, and to demonstrate that fact one would expect at least credit the photographer and the Kalmbach website as the source. In posting photos in the Kalmbach world - the link to the photo has to be used with either the [img] tags or through the use of the 'Install/Edit Photo' dialog box. To my mind that link is the attribution of the source.
daveklepper I don't mind if someone makes a buck by using one of my posted photos. Most people are ethical, and to demonstrate that fact one would expect at least credit the photographer and the Kalmbach website as the source.
Most people are ethical, and to demonstrate that fact one would expect at least credit the photographer and the Kalmbach website as the source.
In posting photos in the Kalmbach world - the link to the photo has to be used with either the [img] tags or through the use of the 'Install/Edit Photo' dialog box. To my mind that link is the attribution of the source.
Yes, I agree. At the very least if you right click on a photo you can usually discern the return path and find the site of origin. I use that technique often to explore in greater detail.
We run into this issue a lot in the paper modelling community. A lot of us want our work to be free for anyone to download and build the models we design. But we also have to be on guard for each other because a really good kit can show up on Ebay. (Usually with a far east seller posting it.)
daveklepperI don't mind if someone makes a buck by using one of my posted photos. Most people are ethical, and to demonstrate that fact one would expect at least credit the photographer and the Kalmbach website as the source.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I don't mind if someone makes a buck by using one of my posted photos.
This is reminiscent of a different future, for audio files, in the halcyon years when AT&T/Lucent were going to be the major players in digital, before Frauenhofer and other efficient codecs changed the face of digital music. The idea was that the digital equivalent of 'radio' quality (50-15kHz) would be provided 'free' (with some internal watermarking code intended specifically to prevent resale for money of any 'free' content, the idea probably being adapted from copyleft) and those are the files that would be shared on cheap devices. The high-quality, serious listener audio ("CD quality" and the 48kHz/96kHz premium content to be the counterpart of SACD and the like) would then be sold with appropriate copy protection, and any 'downloading' of those could be rightly prosecuted.
The 'answer' to publication on the Web is the same thing as what many image sellers on eBay do: watermark the hell out of any content actually served to be copied, with the unrestricted copies only available upon signing of the equivalent of a NDA (and stiff DMCA-like penalties for everyone who proceeded to crossload unwatermarked versions outside the agreed scope, including Napster-style takedown and artificially draconian penalties and 'consequences' anywhere the pirated images might be located...)
If you are using the pictures for education or most noncommercial uses, the presence of watermarks isn't that much of a concern. Those seeking restricted use of the image 'with permission' have only to ask ... as they are supposed to do anyway. And those who want to make a buck ... have to do what anyone else who wants to make a fair buck has to do: pay fairly for the resources used.
If you think this place is bad, you should see the copyright arguments and fights over photo credit on Facebook.
One particular ongoing battle comes to mind, about 10 years ago a longtime Canadian railfan and photographer named Peter passed away, his heirs allowed another railfan (and railroader) named Mark to scan and digitize a number of Peter's photos.
Mark then emailed the photos to a select group of friends, with strict instructions to only enjoy them and not use them for profit, and to only share them further if those instructions were included. Before long they started showing up in magazines, most notably the gossip rag "Canadian Railway Observations", whose owner already had a reputation for snagging photos off the internet and using them without permission, not to mention never paying royalties. The CRO owner also shared at least one of the photos without including the proper credit information, and it ended up being posted online with him being credited as the source instead of Peter.
Mark blew a gasket and swore to never share the photos ever again, but he failed to follow his own advice and so this story has repeated itself a couple times over the years.
What do I think about this? Several things.
1. The law should state that photos automatically pass into the public domain immediately after the photographer's death.
2. In the absence of that Peter should have left his photos to the public domain in his will.
3. Mark never earned a cent from all his labours, nor did he intend to. The point of all his work was to preserve and share a bunch of historic images. So why get mad over someone else spreading them around further, regardless of how slimy that person may be, and even if the slimeball is making a profit off it?
4. Instead of emailing them around Mark should have uploaded them to a site like Flickr or Railpictures.net, so that as many people as possible have free access to them.
I'm starting to think I should join that Swedish file-sharing religion, they believe that the sharing of information is sacred.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
BaltACD I am not a copyright lawyer! To my mind - If it gets on the web, no matter how or by who - it is now in the public domain. Anything Wanswheel or Miningman have posted have been from somewhere on the web and thus from the public domain.
I am not a copyright lawyer!
To my mind - If it gets on the web, no matter how or by who - it is now in the public domain.
Anything Wanswheel or Miningman have posted have been from somewhere on the web and thus from the public domain.
I kind of feel the same way. If the "owners" don't want people looking at the material and downloading it in whatever form WHY make it available to begin with? But what do I know? This has been argued ad nauseum in the Forums for years.
As I said earlier, that's why I just post the links, either to a web site or YouTube video. Supposedly you won't get in trouble that way, at least no-one's told me not to do it.
Rest assured Mr. Jones, he's looking in! And I'm more than sure he appreciates your thoughts!
Becky is right. I also want to thank you Vince for all his interesting posts and contributions!
pennytrains We know you're watching and we love you Vince!
We know you're watching and we love you Vince!
Vince says "Thanks so much Becky!" He really appreciates the sentiment!
And yes, he is watching!
Erik_MagRelated to that was having to do a lot of scrolling just to get through the page.
One of the problems with the embedded images in Mike's and Vince's postings is they they did take up a lot of bandwidth just to get the page loaded. Related to that was having to do a lot of scrolling just to get through the page. Both of these can be a royal PITA for people viewing the forums on a mobile device.
Having said that, I did enjoy Vince's posts.
N.B.: Images are fine when done in moderation.
I have my suspicions as to what brought the hammer down on Miningman, PM me if any of you want to discuss it.
Don't worry about me, I'm careful just to post links only.
Anyway, Vince is going to be busy going full-bore to keep the mining school open, so he might not have had the time for any postings for a while.
Still, it's a shame. Unfair if you ask me.
Yet another Wade Hoagland possibility, perhaps? It is getting on toward Samhain where various crossings-over from the dead are supposed to be more likely...
The thing that bothers me, and perhaps ought to bother Wayne even more, is whether this is a reaction to the recent comment somewhere here that Vince was acting to help a banned member post material that often played fast and loose with copyright (or long quoted material pasted without permission or acknowledgement, which makes some other forum members irate and was one of the supposed 'proximate causes' that took wanswheel from moderation to a formal ban.)
As I recall, we had most of a book chapter reproduced recently, on the topic of train ferries 'north of the border'. I found this delightfully informative, but others ... perhaps including some associated with the original book ... may have thought it sufficiently less so to complain.
I suppose we may find out more if Wayne has to come back as 'Vaporlock76' or whatever ...
Well that bites! But I suppose it was only a matter of time, if they banned Mike for whatever it was he was doing I suppose it was only logical (in their mind) to ban Vince for doing the same stuff.
For the record, I quite enjoyed reading a lot of that stuff, and I don't think it rated being banned.
I hope a new user calling himself "Miningdude" or some such name shows up soon!
Well this is the end of the "Strange Things" topic folks. "Miningman's" been banned from the various Forums, no reason given, so your guess is as good as mine as to why.
A "Strange Thing" indeed!
Flintlock76 if what I've read about them not too long ago is true they were supposed to have been an absolute PITA to drive, for various reasons.
You can almost have no idea how bad they were, starting with the fact there were offset duals on the steer axles. The engines were originally 4-71s, with manual transmission, and I believe drive to all four corners; these were replaced by 145hp gas 302s and 4-speed old style Turbo-Hydramatic primary transmission ... in a twelve-ton vehicle. You can imagine the fun involved with this railroad-like hp/ton ratio.
Meanwhile you are up at the top of a considerable staircase in the right nose, like climbing into a projection booth, where you found yourself under that bubble-dome 'canopy' full of distorted inside reflections ... with no air conditioning. Assuming you can get the thing up to Interstate minimum speed, you get a cardiac workout, just like on a GN W-1 going into a tunnel, at every overpass.
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Miningman1) Must be a new route.
It may not take me back to the Pennsy, or even Penn-Central, but I'll at least settle for Con-Rail:
Altoona_301_97 by Edmund, on Flickr
Altoona_301_97_crop by Edmund, on Flickr
Back to the Future? Naw, I'll take back to the past any day.
Cheers, Ed
Miningman I wonder with that hat if that is Penny's mom? .. or Grandma?
Not Penny's mom by a long shot, but her Grandma? A good possibility!
If it is she had a HOT Grandma! Movie star hot!
Overmod (4) is only a transition stage, one of the instars as it were, to this:
(4) is only a transition stage, one of the instars as it were, to this:
As cool as those Futureliners (Have I got the name right?) look, if what I've read about them not too long ago is true they were supposed to have been an absolute PITA to drive, for various reasons.
Those UP 'grey ghosts' aren't remote control locomotives. They are unpowered remote control receivers, known as Control Car, Remote Control Locomotives (CCRCL), and perform the same function as the old Locotrol I robot cars or MMA's converted cabooses, in that they translate the remote control into commands that are then sent to other locomotives throught the standard MU control system. This allowed any locomotive to be remotely operated, even if it was not itself equipped with a remote control system.
I believe UP got rid of them a few years ago, having equipped enough yard engines with remote control so that the CCRCL's were no longer required.
https://utahrails.net/up-diesel-roster/upy-ccrcl.php
rcdrye-- Ahhh, Santa Fe! Indeed.
Flintlock-- I wonder with that hat if that is Penny's mom? .. or Grandma?
An 'indignation meeting'... been a lot of those around here lately.
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