Flintlock76Anyway, it makes a lot more sense than that gaggle of British signals! I've read M636's explanation three times and still can't get my head around it!
Think of it, conceptually, as a more complicated version of the NYC searchlight signal setup. There, you have a completely different physical aspect for freight at every signal post than for passenger. Now imagine that you had both distant and predictive-home doubling each of the aspects. And then the same thing for what would be dwarfs at the individual crossover switches in a CTC setup ... that's two aspects plus at least two more for each CTC control point. Follow me? That's what those coded aspects in each 'stack' would be doing if it is as he says.
My imaginary high-speed railroad used four stacked aspects to show all four block occupancies in front of the supposed 135mph traffic... this allowing shorter control blocks for 'more traffic' while preserving the predictive ability to do smooth high-speed braking of the special passenger trains. The advantage here is that there is no real way to misread which aspect applies to you in the relatively few seconds you have approaching at what are legitimately TVM-style speeds...
Thanks Mod-man! Never driven one? I'm not sure you'd want to! Me neither! I rented a Penske box truck in 1982 that had a double-clutch set up. Not bad once I got used to it, but it would have helped if I was told it was in there!
Anyway, it makes a lot more sense than that gaggle of British signals! I've read M636's explaination three times and still can't get my head around it! But I'll keep trying!
As they used to say on "Monty Python," "My brain hurts!"
Flintlock76Photo 3) What the hell is he driving anyway?
Gantry Signals
Here I thought PreCambrian geology was complex. Thanks Peter, read it three times now, slowly, think I got it.
All Stop! You mean to tell me there is not one open track forward?
Firstly, this gantry is owned by the London and North Western Railway.
The set of arms with black rings in the middle of the gantry refer to access to goods lines (freight only). I suspect they refer to the same tracks as the right hand signals, but give access to different tracks ahead. Note that the pattern of arms is repeated on these two sets of signals.
Looking at individual posts, it can be seen that the upper arm has a flat end and the lower arm has a vee-end (called a fishtail). The upper arm is the "home" signal, which controls the location in question. The lower arm with the fishtail is a "distant" and is an indicator of the position of the next signal.
So if the upper arm is "on" (horizontal), the train must stop. If the upper arm is "off" (angled) and the lower arm is "on" (horizontal) the train may proceed at reduced speed prepared to stop at the next signal.
This refers to the signals on the upper level of the gantry.
The signals on the lower level are "shunting signals" and replicate exactly the signals above them, but they all have shorter arms to indicate their subsidiary function.
The shunting signals allow a train to pass the signal otherwise at stop at low speed for the purpose of moving vehicles around the yard. The "distant" shunting signal indicates the position of the next shunting signal, as described for the main signals.
This is explained at https://www.railsigns.uk/
Peter
Miningman One for Peter... in Australia a cane train hits a harvester https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-train-collision-sugarcane-video
One for Peter... in Australia a cane train hits a harvester
https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-train-collision-sugarcane-video
The sugar cane railways in Queensland are two foot gauge (60.96 centimetres).
I don't recognise the location in question, (although it could be south or west of Mackay, a big sugar centre) and Wilmar operate most of the mills in Queensland. Wilmar is a German company which bought most of the operating mills.
The sugar cane wagons shown are fairly large, many mills using wagons half that size. Most wagons are four wheeled. These do not have continuous brakes, which shows up in the video after the locomotive is turned through 180 degrees by the force of the train after derailing. Some trains have remote locomotives or brake wagons which have brakes that can be remotely actuated.
The sugar wagons use Willison couplers which interlock but don't use a knuckle. The Willison is used in Russia on main line trains.
Many sugar lines use concrete ties which last better in the damp tropical environment
Aye chihuahua! Maybe the upper set of bridge signals is for low flying aircraft?
Same me, different spelling!
Well, what do we have here?
Photo 1) Talk about redundancy! And there's only three tracks in view! That signal bridge would turn a Christmas tree green with envy!
Or maybe some railroad official had a brother-in-law who sold signals?
Photo 2) Classic ad from WW2! And they weren't kidding about how many trains it took to move a division either!
Photo 3) What the hell is he driving anyway?
2) Probably because this is ahead... 75 trains! Now that's a Broadway.
3) Well you can steer with your knees.. heck we've all done that... just don't admit to it.
Not a whole lot of difference between the two gauges but I believe that the sugar cane lines were 60-cm gauge, this being in addition to Australia's three mainline gauges.
Ouch! You think they edited out the accompanying profanity?
Interesting line though, looks like two-foot or 60 centimeter gauge.
How's about a look a another sugar cane train? You love this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZKPIiisM8
Here's the story of that gorgeous locomotive. Reminds me of an Erie K-1.
http://www.railfan.com/u-s-sugar-4-6-2-steams-again-in-florida/
Yeah, that's a cattle car all right! They haven't changed much.
That video of those kids dressed up like soldiers ( I'm 66, I can't think of them any other way!) made my day! Their morale must be sky-high, none of them's going "Moooooo" like we used to do!
Flintlock76 I don't know why I didn't remember this sooner ( Gettin' old?) but we had something very similar to those caravan coaches when I was in the Marines, but not as stylish-looking. We called them "cattle cars," basically converted semi trailers, and they were used to haul troops out to the training areas. When we got on board it never failed, someone would start going "Moooooooo..." and everyone else would join in!
I don't know why I didn't remember this sooner ( Gettin' old?) but we had something very similar to those caravan coaches when I was in the Marines, but not as stylish-looking.
We called them "cattle cars," basically converted semi trailers, and they were used to haul troops out to the training areas. When we got on board it never failed, someone would start going "Moooooooo..." and everyone else would join in!
It seems that the tradition of using "cattle cars" still exists! The truck can pull other things when the cattle car is not needed (I guess).
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Flintlock76 Body made out of plywood? Not surprising since it was 1942, that's one way to get around strategic metal shortages.
Body made out of plywood? Not surprising since it was 1942, that's one way to get around strategic metal shortages.
The weird thing is that I distinctly remember 'Santa Fe Trailways' designing large double-deck buses by 1940, as a kind of intermediate service between typical buses and trains. The sort of thing the Pickwick Nite Coaches pioneered... but bigger. What I remember was that Missouri slammed the door on these bigger and bigger combinations (circa 1938?) and other states through which most of the prospective superbuses would run were planning to follow suit. I think of this a bit like a roadgoing DST.
Here is a contemporary newspaper account of the 'Victory Liner'
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19420730&id=zmdeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KWENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1960,1346525&hl=en
Now who's going to post pictures of Australian Dysons?
Neoplan:
Double-deck transit buses are an old story, more than 100-years. And Chicago Motor Coach and New York's Fifth Avenue Coach Co. used double=declers on most routes for many years, up to government authroity operation. Neoplan made an excellent intercity double-deck used in Europe, and Egged bought a few for Tel Aviv - Jerusalem, but then converted them for sight-seeing service.
Most transit buses in the UK, today, are double-deck Blackpool heritage trams and Hong Kong trams continiue a double-deck tradition.
Maybe the inspiration for Santa Fe's Hi-Levels?
I made a mistake. The longer one was built by Marmon-Herrington, this one was built by Budd:
Miningman Or take the Santa Fe... You go left, I go right !
Or take the Santa Fe...
You go left, I go right !
It is hard to believe that this thing had a capacity of 117 passengers...
Marmon-Herrington
"New type sleeper trailer, of light-weight, stainless steel construction, for travel in Syrian desert. Constructed by the Edward G. Budd Company of Philadelphia, for the Nairn Transport Company, Ltd., the trailer utilizes the same principles of construction incorporated in Budd-built light-weight trains. It is of 14-passenger capacity. Pulled by a 150-horsepower Diesel tractor, the unit weighs less than 28,000 pounds and is capable of a top speed on the desert of 65 miles an hour.
From Mike titled "Literary Sominex"
Flintlock76Or maybe the Nairn is in a Damascus or Baghdad back alley somewhere waiting to be discovered?
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