Mark I'll leave this to you. I've posted to the other thread
Thx IGN
One railroad had three trains all with the same name, "The Twin xxxxx", with xxxxx being the name of still another of the road's famous trains. All three trains ran from, to, or through one common city/town. What was the full name of these trains, their routes, the common city/town they all served and the railroad?
Mark
All three of the "Twin" trains carried a sleeper(s) over only a portion of their routes and were coach only over the rest of their routes. On board meal service was available on all three trains at meal times during their runs.
morning and afternoon twin cities zephyrs carried sleepers for the connecting western GN and NP trains but were coach only between Minneapolis and St. Paul. Was the third the "Twin Cities Rocket Zephyr?
None of these are the correct trains. "Cities" was not a part of trains' name which was merely "The Twin xxxxx".
All three trains ran in the area west of the Mississippi River and east of the Rockies. St. Louis was a terminus for one of the three.
In addition to the other hints I've posted this may be of some help in answering my question. In pre-WW2 OG's these trains are un-named and I only noticed the "Twin" name in post-war issues. By 1954 the name had been dropped.
One of the sleeping cars that ran in two of the three "Twin" trains ran to/from a city that was devastated by a tornado in recent years. This hint should at least help identify the railroad that ran these trains.
KCSfan One railroad had three trains all with the same name, "The Twin xxxxx", with xxxxx being the name of still another of the road's famous trains. All three trains ran from, to, or through one common city/town. What was the full name of these trains, their routes, the common city/town they all served and the railroad? Mark
Would this be the Frisco Twin Meteor? I'm only aware of two routings - St. Louis-Parsons and St. Louis-Paris. Would the town you're looking for be Joplin?
ZephyrOverland Would this be the Frisco Twin Meteor? I'm only aware of two routings - St. Louis-Parsons and St. Louis-Paris. Would the town you're looking for be Joplin?
The SL-SF's Twin Meteor is correct. One Twin Meteor, No's 5&6, ran between St Louis and Oklahoma City and between StL and Monett carried two sleepers, a StL-Joplin car and a StL-Ft Smith car. Westbound the Twin Meteor left StL15 min after the Meteor and arrived the next morning in OkC 1 hr-10 min after it. East bound the Twin Meteor left OkC 2 hrs ahead of the Meteor and arrived in StL 20 min ahead of it.
A second Twin Meteor, No's 305&306, ran between Monett and Wichita and carried the StL-Joplin sleeper. The third Twin Meteor, No's 705&706, ran between Monett and Paris, TX and carried the StL-Ft Smith sleeper. Monett, not Joplin, was the town served by all three trains.
While you didn't completely answer the question, you were on the right track so I'll declare you the winner ZO and look forward to your next question.
What mainline was built by a city and is still owned by that city and is leased to a Class 1 carrier?
Name:
- The original railroad name (technically, the railroad name is still used, at least on paper),
- What year it began service?
- Which city built this line and what are the city endpoints of the main line?
- Which railroad is leasing this line?
BONUS: When is the lease up on this line?
The Rathole....CNO&TP
Cincinatti, New Orleans and Texas Pacific
Don't know.
Cincinnati, Cincinatti and don't know.
Souther Ry , Now NS, the Thoroughbred.
Don't know but probably 99 yrs after entering into th lease.
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Cincinnati Southern
1881 (5 ft guage) standard guaged in 1886
Cincinnati OH endpoints are Cincinnati and Chatanooga TN
Technically it's still leased by the Cincinnati New Orleans and Texas Pacific, operated by parent Norfolk Southern
2026
rcdrye - The original railroad name (technically, the railroad name is still used, at least on paper), Cincinnati Southern - What year it began service? 1881 (5 ft guage) standard guaged in 1886 - Which city built this line and what are the city endpoints of the main line? Cincinnati OH endpoints are Cincinnati and Chatanooga TN - Which railroad is leasing this line? Technically it's still leased by the Cincinnati New Orleans and Texas Pacific, operated by parent Norfolk Southern BONUS: When is the lease up on this line? 2026
Very good - you got the answer. The next question is yours, rcdrye.
The last passenger service by the Central of New Jersey in Pennsylvania wasn't even shown in the CNJ section of the official guide in its last months (1957). What was the train, and where did it go?
I think it was the Reading's train between Allentown and Philadlephia, with CNJ ussed between Allentown and Bethlahem. It was shown in the Readinig timetable but not the CNJ.
It was a joint train with Reading, but also one (originally two) other carriers. It did touch Bethlehem, but not Allentown.
And it also touched Phildadelphia, so where did it go on the CNJ-PA once it got to Bethleham? If it had touched Allentown, then it could have gone west on the Lehigh Valley, although the LV could and did exchange with the Reading dirctly in Bethleham. It could not have been the Queen of the Valley, Was there some kind of joint Erie or Lackawanna service south from Binghampton of even Buffalo thorugh Betheham to Philadelphia that used the CNJ just for a short distance, but was basically a Reading - Erie or Reading DL&W train? Peerhaps even a Cleveland or Chicago - Philadelphia train.
daveklepper Was there some kind of joint Erie or Lackawanna service south from Binghampton of even Buffalo thorugh Betheham to Philadelphia that used the CNJ just for a short distance, but was basically a Reading - Erie or Reading DL&W train? .
Was there some kind of joint Erie or Lackawanna service south from Binghampton of even Buffalo thorugh Betheham to Philadelphia that used the CNJ just for a short distance, but was basically a Reading - Erie or Reading DL&W train? .
You are on the right track, but it wasn't Binghamton or Buffalo. At one time it went on to Washington D.C.
If it ran through to Washington at one time, then the 4th railroad would have been the B&O south from Philadelphia. Scranton - Washington, or what about from Albany on the D&H. Or from Rochester on the Lackawanna?
You've bracketed the northern endpoint pretty nicely. As another hint, the train shared its name with an NYC train that served the same city.
Erie, PA,, and Oil City Special?
Schenectidy and The Electric City Limited?
As a CNJ train, the train carried head end cars, a rider coach and a heavyweight sleeper or two. The northwatrd connecting carrier used it for connections to its mainline trains between its two main endpoints, though by the late 1950's that required a train change in Scranton.
Did CNJ of Pennsylvania ever have a line through Scranton to connect with the NYCentral. possibly at Jim Thorp, PA? If so, then it might have been a Washington, and then only Philadelphia, section of one of its main east-west trains, like the Lake Shore Limited or the Wolverine, etc. But more likely it was a D&LW train, and I will have to study a map and train names. Obviously, both NYC and D&LW had Chicago Limiteds
The train I'm looking for was about as low as you could go and nearly get "all pullman" status. After the sleeper was picked up from the CNJ, the train sat in a station that's now part of a National Historic Site, and then picked up cars from a New York-Buffalo train for its final destination.
The station would be the Scranton DL&W station, so the train is a B&O from Washington to Philadelphia (via B&O station, moved to Reading Terminal when the B&O discontinued passenger service north of Baltimore in 1952), Reading to Bethleham, CNJ to Scranton? Or CNJ and DL&W to Scranton, interchange at Northampton or whatever, and then DL&W north. I know the DL&W did once have passenger service to Rochester, possibly via Conandaigua. I must Google the DL&W and see if that is the definite answer. Was the train a year-round operation or only during summer months for vacation travel to the Finger Lakes?
OK, after lookiing at the map I see Rochester was gone by 1922, and so Utica and Richfield Springs come to mind, with the latter a popular summer vacation terminal. Possibly the train was called the Lake Shore Limited, even though the Lake(s) were not the same lakes as served by the NYC train.
Since it's gone five days I'll give it up:
The train was the Interstate Express, a joint RDG-CNJ-DL&W operation. RDG to Bethlehem, CNJ to near Wilkes-Barre (using the Reading station in Bethlehem, not the CNJ station), then DL&W from Wilkes-Barre to Scranton, Binghamton and Syracuse. Though the train did use the Scranton DL&W station, the New York Pullmans were sometimes exchanged at Binghamton. Except for maybe mail and express the only through car was the Pullman, in later years an 8 sec 5 DBR.
Well, I came close. I assume I was correct about the train earlier (not necessarily ending at 1952) coming from Washingon, or at least its Pullman originating at Washington. Otherwise, what would your stated fourth railroad be? And whaat year did the through Pullman last operate?
Do I ask the next question or would you prefer to do so? The choice is clearly yours. In later years, was the 8&5 a lightweight?
The Pullman (always a heavyweight) had originated in Washington on the B&O, turned over to the Reading at Philadelphia. It appears 1952 was the last year for Washington, 1957 for through operation (apparently also including New York - Syracuse service.) The reading/CNJ portion may have operated a while longer as a mail train with rider coaches. Go ahead with the next question.
Porbably turned over to the Reading at the B&O station. Also, I suspect Reading power continued to Willksbarre, with a CNJ crew from Bethlahem.
Do you have the schedule? What aobut meals if any were necessary?
My question: A sleeper. rode in 1959, a Lightweight, probably 10 and 6, but not necessaily: One moderate sized city and one large city as endpoints. Part of a consist of a full-service streamliner for part of its trip and part of a mixed train for part of its trip. Daily operation. Streamliner associated with one railroad but actually ran on two different railroads, one not a subsidieary or the other.
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