Johnny:
If my memory serves my correctly, was't one of the "Imperial" cars shown in "North by Northwest" when Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint? What happened to that Pullman/NYC Car?
Ed Burns
Yes, Ed, you are right. I found the answer to your question on page 64 of Kalmbach's 100 Greatest Train Movies--the car was Imperial State, but the car itself was not used for the interior views but a well-built (except that the wall bent a little when the door was closed) plywood set was used. I marveled at the possibility of a man's being shut up inside an upper when it was raised to the ceiling. How did Eva Marie Saint obtain the porter's wrench so she could move the berth? (I, on one trip by Greyhound, did use the baggage compartment wrench to open and close a baggage compartment so I did not have to carry my suitcase on board--but I knew the driver and he knew me, and he did not object when I picked the wrench up from its pocket.)
Johnny
Most of the Imperial cars were of the prewar 4-4-2 configuration without enclosed toilets in the bedrooms. Santa Fe got the Regals with enclosed toilets in all rooms. As far as I can see, PRRs ACF-built cars (Imperials) the Regals and a few SP cars were allof the postwar 4-4-2s. PRR and SP had both prewar and postwar configurations, with three postwar SP cars assigned to the Cascade in through service to Seattle.
RI got a single 4-4-2 for the Golden Rocket in 1948.
Who's up for the question on this thread?
That was La Quinta
I have no idea....everything seems to have wandered off into the sunset.
my revuew of the thread says its your turn, Flying Criw
FlyingCrow, where are you?????
With all due respect to FlyingCrow, its time to get this thread back on track.
The question is:
When the three all-Coach Chicago-Miami streamliners were first publicly announced, what was the initial train name applied to the Henry M. Flagler consist which eventually became the Dixie Flagler?
I'll take a SWAG at the question. Was it the Dixieana?
Mark
KCSfan I'll take a SWAG at the question. Was it the Dixieana? Mark
Nope....The train under discussion was publicly named this way for about a month until the Dixie Flagler name was used.
Florida Flagler?
Dixieana ?
daveklepper Florida Flagler?
nope...
rcdrye Dixieana ?
Nope....Mark mentioned the Dixiana earlier.
This name was mentioned in several newspapers around the country, so I don't think it was an issue of the name being published in error.
Sunnland Flagler?
daveklepper Sunnland Flagler?
Nope....
Did it possibly continue to be named the Henry M. Flagler just as it had been when the trainset previously ran between Jacksonville and Miami on the FEC?
KCSfan Did it possibly continue to be named the Henry M. Flagler just as it had been when the trainset previously ran between Jacksonville and Miami on the FEC? Mark
Mark, the Henry M. Flagler name was not mentioned as the new Dixie Route all-coach train. The news reports that came out in October 1940 mentioned the South Wind, City of Miami and the name I'm looking for.
DZ, Robert Wayner does not give the name applied to the equipment that was renamed Henry M. Flagler 12/3/39, even though he states that the equipment was delivered in November of 1939. Could it have been named the Jacksonville Champion? From the description given in the FEC section of Car Names Numbers and Consists, the Champion service began 12/1/39, so the equipment under consideration could have been operated for two or more days under the earlier name.
Deggesty DZ, Robert Wayner does not give the name applied to the equipment that was renamed Henry M. Flagler 12/3/39, even though he states that the equipment was delivered in November of 1939. Could it have been named the Jacksonville Champion? From the description given in the FEC section of Car Names Numbers and Consists, the Champion service began 12/1/39, so the equipment under consideration could have been operated for two or more days under the earlier name.
Johnny, the time period were are talking about is when the Henry M. Flagler consist eventually became the Dixie Flagler in December 1940. The name I'm looking for was never actually used with this consist when it began operation on the Chicago-Miami route. This name was published in several newspapers in October 1940, but by early December 1940, the Dixie Flagler name was being used.
I believe Narig01's posting refers to the other quiz thread.....
Another hint to the current question on this thread is that the name I'm looking for is a variant of names used on this route....
Well, maybe intially they did not use the Flagler name, but Dixie Limited, Dixie Special, Dixie Express, Dixie Flyer?
daveklepper Well, maybe intially they did not use the Flagler name, but Dixie Limited, Dixie Special, Dixie Express, Dixie Flyer?
That's right, they did not use the Flagler name initially, but it was a Dixie train.
Florida Dixie
Or maybe the Dixie Florida or Dixie Floridian.
I am pretty sure the train was named the Dixie Flagler when it made its inaugural run in December 1940. So the name you're looking for was probably used in press releases announcing the three new Chi-Florida streamliners prior to the DF name being selected.
KCSfan I am pretty sure the train was named the Dixie Flagler when it made its inaugural run in December 1940. So the name you're looking for was probably used in press releases announcing the three new Chi-Florida streamliners prior to the DF name being selected. Mark
Mark, you are correct in that when the train made its first run in December 1940, the train was called the Dixie Flagler. And you are correct in that the name I'm looking for was used in announcing the new all-coach service in October 1940. The press releases mentioned the City of Miami, South Wind, and the train name I'm looking for.
Do the magic that is Google.......
KCSfan Florida Dixie Mark
Nope...
KCSfan Or maybe the Dixie Florida or Dixie Floridian. Mark
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