Dave:
Not even close. Think 1970 and not the 1995/6 merger of the BN and ATSF.
Ed Burns
They did not need to repaint any stainless steel cars. The NP and GN had painted lightwieghts that were repainted into BN green, and the program was halted because of the pending AT&SF to BNSF merger, but I believe the only heavyweight cars repainted were their business cars. I do not know how many or what their numbers were, but other than business cars, they would only have repainted liightwieghts -or heavyweights repainted for MoW duty.
Rob and All:
The BN merger was in 1970. They repainted about 25 passenger cars before discontinuing the project. What was the reason for that and how many heavyweight cars were repainted? Numbers of those cars are optional.
Ed Burns.
Ed has the answer. The common part with the "Winnipeg Limited" is that the "Streamlined International" was international as well. The two observation cars were used on the "International" until 1971. Both were bought by Amtrak in the second wave of equipment, and used briefly on the "International" when it was started again in 1972, before ending their careers in Milwaukee-Chicago-St. Louis service.
Rob:
GN's "International" trains with the "Port of Seattle" and "Port of Vancouver". The second part of the question should be the "Winnpeg Limited".
I made a small mistake in posting the original question. Initially the train sets each made 1 1/2 round trips per day (giving three round trips with the same train names), though the service was cut back to two round trips only a couple of years after it was inaugurated. Each train set's first class car was named after one of the endpoints. The cars were carried in the same trains after the service was cut back to a single round trip, and even operated briefly on the Amtrak service of the same name. The train name described a characteristic of the service, shared with one other train pair operated by the same railroad.
C&EI - Meadowlark and Whipperwill
Mark
The Hoosier and Tippecanoe were each named after ONE end of their run. The first-class cars on these trains were anmed after BOTH ends, with each train getting one of the cars. Both trainsets served the same endpoints.
Monon - Hoosier and Tippecanoe
Each train set of this pair of postwar streamliners was expected to make a round trip per day. The First-Class equipment on the train was named after the trains' endpoints.
We have a winner. rcdrye, your question.
CRI&P put Blomberg trucks under their humpbacked, re-engined FA1s.
You've got the railroad correct. Further modifications are still open.
Sounds like the Roach Island. Frisco and Katy did it , too, but did not own any EMC as far as I know. The further mods? eh. That I don't remember.
In a similar vein, this railroad re-powered some of its Alco power with EMD engines, the Alco engines were then used to re-power some EMC switchers. Which railroad is it and what further modifications were made to the re-powered Alcos?
Soo put the trucks from 21 of its 22 Alco "Road-Freight" (FA1) engines under GP30s 701-721 (700 got a spare pair) with the trucks from the 22nd going under GP35 722. At about the same time, the funky A1A tucks under RSC3s 372-374 and 2380 were replaced by Baldwin trucks from DRS-4-4-15s or AS16s. Even though the rebuilt Alco trucks lasted until the units were retired in the 1990s or later (715 is still operable) they were considered to be troublesome in winter. The retrucked RSC3s only lasted a few years working as switchers away from the light track that they were purchased for.
In your court, Paul.
The only railroad that comes to mind is Soo Line.
This railroad, after putting Alco trucks with GE motors under some of its EMDs, put Baldwin trucks with Westinghouse motors under some of its Alcos.
rcdrye I'm kind of short on pre-1957 timetables so I'll make another wild guess. B&O's National Limited operated in daytime hours between St Louis and Cincinnati, where the pre-1933 Union station was reached by some pretty awkward trackage. B&O was the only railroad that operated east-west trains through Cincinnati.
I'm kind of short on pre-1957 timetables so I'll make another wild guess. B&O's National Limited operated in daytime hours between St Louis and Cincinnati, where the pre-1933 Union station was reached by some pretty awkward trackage. B&O was the only railroad that operated east-west trains through Cincinnati.
You scored a bulls eye with your wild guess! Cincinnati, B&O and National Limited are correct. Looking forward to your next question.
rcdrye NYC's Southwestern Limited in Indianapolis? If I remember right it ran in daylight hours from St L ouis across Illinois, which would account for the Parlor car. The only reason I can think of for skipping Indianapolis Union would be to bypass congestion by using the Belt RR, since the Big Four's route otherwise ran right through IUS, just like CSX does today.
NYC's Southwestern Limited in Indianapolis? If I remember right it ran in daylight hours from St L
ouis across Illinois, which would account for the Parlor car. The only reason I can think of for skipping Indianapolis Union would be to bypass congestion by using the Belt RR, since the Big Four's route otherwise ran right through IUS, just like CSX does today.
Not Indy or the Southwestern Ltd but you're in the right area. Your rational regarding the parlor car is exactly the reason the train I'm looking for also carried one.
NYC's Southwestern Limited in Indianapolis? If I remember right it ran in daylight hours from St Louis across Illinois, which would account for the Parlor car. The only reason I can think of for skipping Indianapolis Union would be to bypass congestion by using the Belt RR, since the Big Four's route otherwise ran right through IUS, just like CSX does today.
The representation for this train in OG's at the time contained the following note:
"The xxx does not operate to or from the Union Station xxx. Parlor car from xxx is detached in yards and handled into depot arriving at xxx. Through cars for the East leave Union Station at xxx and are attached to train in yards"
The train I am looking for was, at the time, an all Pullman Limited,
daveklepper Savanna, GA, ACL, Havana Special
Savanna, GA, ACL, Havana Special
Nope but a good try, Dave.
Other trains of this railroad used the city's Union Station.
This named Limited served a certain city but did not operate into or out of that city's old Union Sation. Cars to/from that city were shuttled between the station and an outlying yard where they were added to/taken off the main train. Name the city, railroad and train.
KCSfan MoPac KC-StL IC StL-B'ham CofG B'ham-Albany ACL Albany-Jacksonville Mark
MoPac KC-StL
IC StL-B'ham
CofG B'ham-Albany
ACL Albany-Jacksonville
Correct, Mark.
For only one winter season, 1925-26, MP handled through Kansas City-Jacksonville sleepers, turning them over to IC to run on their trains to Florida. Unnamed MP 15 and 16 handled one sleeper and fowarded it to the St. Louis section of IC's Floridan. The other sleeper was handled on MP's Scenic Limited to St. Louis, and was transferred to IC's Seminole for the balance of the trip. MP advertisements referred to these car lines as the "Kansas City Floridan" and "Kansas City Seminole."
You get the next question, Mark.
(For those who are interested, there are a pair of new books (with the second volume coming out by the end of April) that give a complete history of Midwest-Florida passenger train services. "From the Midwest to Florida by Rail 1875-1979" is published by the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society and more information is available from their website. I've had the good fortune to be involved with research and editorial duties for these books and the two 500-page volumes do give a complete account of passenger train services in this part of the country.)
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