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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, April 20, 2020 9:03 AM

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Historically,  "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase,  we all know what that is about. 

 

 

Wow!  I didn't realize Governor Cuomo of New York was secretly invoking a racist phrase.  From January, 2019:

"I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..."

https://www.facebook.com/KFDMNews/videos/625247571245202/

 

Context,  context!!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, April 20, 2020 9:15 AM

charlie hebdo

 

 
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charlie hebdo
Historically,  "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase,  we all know what that is about. 

 

 

Wow!  I didn't realize Governor Cuomo of New York was secretly invoking a racist phrase.  From January, 2019:

"I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..."

https://www.facebook.com/KFDMNews/videos/625247571245202/

 

 

 

Context,  context!!

 

But of course it was ok for you to take me out on context........

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Posted by York1 on Monday, April 20, 2020 9:20 AM

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Context,  context!!

 

Is that the same context you were using several weeks ago when you said the current occupant called the virus a hoax?

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 20, 2020 9:29 AM

Charlie,whethere I want a particular monument to remain or be removed does not necessarily mean I am a Nazi, Fascist, or Communist, or a bleiver in ignoring history on the other hand. Not being a graduate of the U. of Va. I do not know what I would have felt about the statue removal.  Certzain former Communist countries pulled down statues at the time of the Thaw.  Were they wrong?  Of course not!  And it was Jefferson Davis, not Lee.  Must go back and make the correction, but:

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Posted by York1 on Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM

States' rights:

charlie hebdo
Decent Americans know not to use the term.

 

States' rights:

Andrew Cuomo:  "I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..."

 

But "Context, context!!"

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, April 20, 2020 11:41 AM

New research is indicating that the lockdown is having no effect on the propagation or the flattening of the curve.  It may mean that there was no reason to shut down the economy. 

It is only an assumption that the lockdowns are having any effect on the propigation, and not a proven scientive fact.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/17/theres-no-direct-evidence-that-the-lockdowns-are-working/

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:06 PM

The experts and the evidence disagree with your article, interviewing a contrarian.  It is obvious that rightists and neo-fascists want to distract the public from the incompetence of Trump and Boris Johnson in the UK. 

This forum is full of rightists and likely bigots who naturally  refuse to pay heed to history,  science or even rhetoric.  It's pointless to attempt to point out their fallacies. 

Meanwhile Klepper continues to use this as a blog for the current Israeli government,  ignoring more enlightened views from Jewish people in Israel and in the USA and Canada. 

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:11 PM

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It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:15 PM

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It is only an assumption that the lockdowns are having any effect on the propigation, and not a proven scientive fact.

And it is only assumption that the lockdowns are not having any effect on the propogation, and not a proven scientific fact. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by York1 on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:24 PM

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This forum is full of rightists and likely bigots who naturally  refuse to pay heed to history,  science or even rhetoric.  It's pointless to attempt to point out their fallacies. 

 

And there it is.

I've been waiting for that.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:25 PM

Charlie, all I can say is that you must actually hate me to continue to accuse me of things that clearly I am not doing.  As for your enlightened views, please do study the history that your friends don't teach.  There was the Mufti, he greatly distorted a tolerant religion, and what is going on in Sweden is not Israeli propaganda, neither is the burning of churches in Islamic countries, and if you and J-Street, and the parallel organizations, whose mailings I do get and read at least weekly, wish to live in a dream-world where such horrors don't exist, i cannot help you.  You obviously hate the very people who wish to help you.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:36 PM

I have to wonder for the future of restaurants.  Cannot imagie most persons going into a sit down restaurant to eat.  I certainly cannot eat with a face mask on.  Let one person in the restaurant have an allergic sneeze and all distancing goes out the window for everyone.

The writers of constitution and bill of rights when they were conceived really had no concept of public health as it is today.  So the public health laws over the years have really been probably written with the 10th amendment not fully applied.  Now why after the 1918 flu pandemic lessons were not learned who knows ?  So now the US has a public health mine field that is very difficult to navigate.   We have a pandemic that does not follow state line .  Regional solutions on mostly a county by county needs directions but that of course is not happening.

As i see it a great experiment is about to happen as some locations go back to semi normal hopeing not to have new hot spots.  A good example of a hot spot is Albany Georgia ( Dougherty county )  1436 cases 97 deaths all from attendance at a funeral.  Almost all deaths persons over 60!  Small Lee county next door 273 and 26 dead.  Death rate per 100k higher than the NY City rate.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:41 PM

i don't think this Forum is full of bigots.  When one poster simply told me not to post any more Israeli Coronavirus news, or any Israeli news, for that matter. I  would not accuse him or her of bigotry, rather that he is frustrated because he or she must wade through my long desciriptions to scroll to what interests him or her.  My initial reactions were a bit off the mark, but then I decided to do my best to present Cononavirus information as concisely as I can, and completely devoid of politics.  Hopefully, the complaint has had a politive effect. 

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:42 PM

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The experts and the evidence disagree with your article, interviewing a contrarian.

Well, it is breaking news.  It may be contrarian today, but give it time to sink in.

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:48 PM

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The term was used by confederates and segregationists throughout our history. 

Just because that is true does not give bigots exclusive title to the concept, nor does it give racially obsessed minorities a universal claim to having been victimized every time they hear the expression.

Like it or not "States rights" is bigger than race. 

States rights might become a contemporary issue in a completely unexpected area.

The States where marijuana is legal for general use, despite being against Federal law. Would-be customers are  99% of the time unable to use debit or credit cards for purchase, because the banking industry is federally regulated.

Same goes for business loans for growers, and distributors. they are unable to get business loans in the traditional sense because of the federal aspect, so entrepreneurs are often forced to mortgage personal property, and fund the growth out of their own pockets.

It's the "F" in FDIC that is the problem.

As more states jump on the bandwagon, you can expect a "states rights" type resolution in the not too distant future

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:51 PM

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The term was used by confederates and segregationists throughout our history. 

 

Just because that is true does not give bigots exclusive title to the concept, nor does it give racially obsessed minorities a universal claim to having been victimized every time they hear the expression.

Like it or not "States rights" is bigger than race. 

States rights might become a contemporary issue in a completely unexpected area.

The States where marijuana is legal for general use, despite being against Federal law. Would-be customers are  99% of the time unable to use debit or credit cards for purchase, because the banking industry is federally regulated.

Same goes for business loans for growers, and distributors. they are unable to get business loans in the traditional sense because of the federal aspect, so entrepreneurs are often forced to mortgage personal property, and fund the growth out of their own pockets.

It's the "F" in FDIC that is the problem.

As more states jump on the bandwagon, you can expect a "states rights" type resolution in the not too distant future

 

+1, well said.

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, April 20, 2020 12:52 PM

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As more states jump on the bandwagon, you can expect a "states rights" type resolution in the not too distant future

But the  party that is traditionally about state's rights, is the one that isn't too keen on legalizing any sort of marijuana. They work against themselves there. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, April 20, 2020 1:31 PM

York1

 

 
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This forum is full of rightists and likely bigots who naturally  refuse to pay heed to history,  science or even rhetoric.  It's pointless to attempt to point out their fallacies. 

 

 

And there it is.

I've been waiting for that.

 

Need some shoes?  Looks like these fit.!!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, April 20, 2020 1:34 PM

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As more states jump on the bandwagon, you can expect a "states rights" type resolution in the not too distant future

 

But the  party that is traditionally about state's rights, is the one that isn't too keen on legalizing any sort of marijuana. They work against themselves there. 

 

Agreed, but not everyone in that party, holding office or in the voting booth, holds that view.

Personally, if I thought it would work, I would be for prohibition of all of it, drugs, alcohol, tobacco.

Watched it all destroy a lot of lives.

But we know that won't work. So as long as they don't bother me, I don't care what people do that is self destructive.

I avoid drunks and drug users........

But as soon as they drive a car under the influence, take away that priviledge, forever........

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, April 20, 2020 1:36 PM

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Charlie, all I can say is that you must actually hate me to continue to accuse me of things that clearly I am not doing.  As for your enlightened views, please do study the history that your friends don't teach.  There was the Mufti, he greatly distorted a tolerant religion, and what is going on in Sweden is not Israeli propaganda, neither is the burning of churches in Islamic countries, and if you and J-Street, and the parallel organizations, whose mailings I do get and read at least weekly, wish to live in a dream-world where such horrors don't exist, i cannot help you.  You obviously hate the very people who wish to help you.

 

You need to open your eyes.  A lot of what is publicized is coming from Russian,  neo-Nazi, racist  bots and websites. In the case of Sweden,  that is the source of much of it,  not Israeli propaganda.  These Russians take a few events in Sweden or Germany and magnify them.  The German federal authorities are well aware of this technique. Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are on the same coin. 

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, April 20, 2020 1:55 PM

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Personally, if I thought it would work, I would be for prohibition of all of it, drugs, alcohol, tobacco.

That's like the other end of the political spectrum, or catty-corner from the libertarian end. 

I had a professor that was a conservative (yeah, they exist!).   Was also a policy writer for the state house, so he actually did more than just teach.  He was all for legalizing and taxing marijuana and prostituion.  His reasoning?  You aren't going to stop supply if there is a demand.  You just push the supply to the back alleys.  So why not take charge of it?

That's why I always shake my head at 10-word answers.  No issue, and most people are not that simple. 

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Posted by York1 on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:08 PM

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Need some shoes?  Looks like these fit.!!

 

Gee.  And you don't even know me.

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:12 PM

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But the  party that is traditionally about state's rights, is the one that isn't too keen on legalizing any sort of marijuana. They work against themselves there. 

Police abuse of authority is another place where I believe that societal apophenia has staked a claim.

I can verify from personal experience that whites suffer from 4th amendment abuse just as much as the next guy. 

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:24 PM

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Personally, if I thought it would work, I would be for prohibition of all of it, drugs, alcohol, tobacco.

 

That's like the other end of the political spectrum, or catty-corner from the libertarian end. 

I had a professor that was a conservative (yeah, they exist!).   Was also a policy writer for the state house, so he actually did more than just teach.  He was all for legalizing and taxing marijuana and prostituion.  His reasoning?  You aren't going to stop supply if there is a demand.  You just push the supply to the back alleys.  So why not take charge of it?

That's why I always shake my head at 10-word answers.  No issue, and most people are not that simple. 

 

I strongly agree. Make it all legal, tax it and regulate it.

My comment about prohibition relates only to my personal feelings about it. My political opinion about it is very libertarian.

I have no problem allowing things that I have personal objections to.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:33 PM

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But the  party that is traditionally about state's rights, is the one that isn't too keen on legalizing any sort of marijuana. They work against themselves there. 

 

Police abuse of authority is another place where I believe that societal apophenia has staked a claim.

I can verify from personal experience that whites suffer from 4th amendment abuse just as much as the next guy. 

 

 

It has happened to me, and I am a very conservative mostly white 63 year old in the wealthy rural suburbs. So I get big time how others must feel.

I have been stopped, asked questions they had no right to ask, been treated rudely at auto accident scenes, had them pound on my door like they were about to kick it in just serve a simple civil summons, and more.

I have also been treated with the highest professionalism by others.

Some of them are out of control.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:41 PM

Charlie, your refereing to facts presented as anti-Islam propaganda are best discussd in personal correspondance and not on the website,  daveklepper@yahoo.com.

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, April 20, 2020 2:54 PM

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I have also been treated with the highest professionalism by others. Some of them are out of control. Sheldon

True dat, I have found that treating them the way I want to be treated helps in most instances, but then I have a very relaxed style in my dealings with them.

I just find many have a very "the city is a zoo and we are the keeper" mentality that leads them to mistake "unfounded suspicion" for "probable cause" whenever it suits them.  Then there are the ones who fabricate probable cause after the fact of apprehension that I have a real disdain for,  basically "poachers" to my way of thinking.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 PM

Latest Israeli Health Ministry Figures:  177 deahs, 13,713 cases, 149 in serious condition, including 119 who require ventilators, 4,049 recovered.

From www.jpost.com

 
 
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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, April 20, 2020 10:22 PM

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Latest Israeli Health Ministry Figures:  177 deahs, 13,713 cases, 149 in serious condition, including 119 who require ventilators, 4,049 recovered.

From  www.jpost.com 

Same stats that the Johns Hopkins world map is reporting for Israel.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, April 20, 2020 11:33 PM

Regarding legalising marijuana, it's now legal here for the same reason that Prohibiton went away in 1933, the government wants the tax revenue. But from what I read in the papers, legal pot stores are very expensive and most pot smokers just buy it from their regular suppliers. Everyone at first thought that the stores would be run by tie-dyed-graying-ponytail-Grateful Dead fans but it became a corporate thing right away and a lot of of them have gone bankrupt and now want government support.  

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