Isn't NYP higher than the bottom of the tunnels under the river, so they would flood long before water reached the station?
Yes, but the policy was (and is?) to keep them open so Penn. Sta. itself would not be flooded! This was Amtrak's (and NJT's and LIRR's?) decision.
There appears to be a long chain of events that has led to this resulting bad situation.
1. Amtrak in the 1980 - 2000 was underfunded so much that almost no NEC improvements could be done even to the 25 Hz system.
2. Traffic around the 1980 appears to be almost half of what it is today so improvements to the electrical distribution system could be posponed especially when CR decided to discontinue electric freight train service instead of paying high electric rates that could have been used to improve the electrical system.
3. NJT began its long climb of increasing number of commuters to NYP.
4. Conversion of Lackawanna electric service and some of NJ east coast to 60 HZ AC allowed for more passengers.
5. Along with the above the addition of all these passengers caused NJT trains to get much longer increasing power draw. This poster remembers riding on 6 car EMUs before and now all are 12 cars. It would be interesting to find out power draw then and now from NJT.
6. Somewhere along these years Amtrak did not sufficiently plan for higher power draws and apparently NJT basked in the result of not having to pay more for its larger power draw.
7. Acela units, ALP-44s, -45s,-46s, & new ACS-64s are all icreasing power draws especially short term as their acceleration is much quicker. + newer EMUs
8. Sometime around 2004 - 2006 Amtrak started campaining for more capital funds but did not get any dedicated until 2009 PRIIA.
9. ARC planning was going on by 2010 but Gov Cristie cancelled NJ participation. In looking back it was a good decision as the dead end 6 - 8 track layout was inadequate. We will never know if the governor cancelled it for these reasons as his public announcement cited possible over run costs for NJ. However his not pushing for the much more acceptable Gateway project at that time and robbing funds from the PA has no excuse. Credit he did not know that a "Sandy" event was possible and he may have acted differently if he had known.
10. "Sandy" and the salt water in the Hudson ( North ) river tunnels ( the tubes ) started corrision that cannot be stopped until everything is stripped and fresh water washed and cleaned.
11. Amtrak got emergency funds because of Sandy and has applied some to both add and improve power conversion equipment near the tubes.
12. Amtrak converted Gate - Rochelle from 25 Hz to 60 Hz to lower power draw on the Sunnyside frequency converter station. As well a rebuild of the station has / is been done.
13. Sometime in the past Amtrak removed the over running 600v third rail in the tubes but since reinstalled it so DM locos could push / pull stalled trains out of the tubes.
14. Amtrak installed high capacity signaling in the tubes to allow closer spacing between trains thereby adding more power draw in the tunnels. ( this before Sandy )
Now for some of the items that can only be speculated.
21. Before last week there have been occasional NJT and Amtrak trains stalled in the Hudson tubes for undisclosed reasons. ( maybe power problems ? )
22. Last week almost every rush hour seemd to have problems that were not disclosed but of course all blamed on Amtrak by the governor.
23. Finally Boardman called in the media and showed them tunnel feeders and circuit breakers that were very old and stated that was the problem.
24. The electric feeder and wire in the tubes is a witches brew.
Note: for all the following probably have either separate or maybe some common grounds.
a. nominal 12Kv 25 Hz AC feeders
b. 600 v DC for the third rail
c. Unknown for sure but 100 Hz 4400v AC signal power (PRR but may have been changed )
d. 440v 3 phase 60 Hz AC for tube sump pumps and ventilation fans
e . Unknow power for lighting and work force power equipment ( probably 120 / 240 3 phase single phase.
f. emergency phone usually 48v DC talk / 105 AC ring.
g. various conrol circuits for equipment.
h. EDIT: Possible that 138 Kv feeders to transformers are in the tunnel as well. Transformers in NYP have to be fed from somewhere and using the two source rule may also be in East river tunnels.
25. With all the above electric systems any corrision of wires may be a problem. For the CAT power a high resistance short to the cast iron tube may start a weaking of the wall. Anyone know if there is a Circuit breaker trip the dispatcher has the train(s) lower pans and circuit tested for shorts ? Then if OK restore power and allow trains to continue.
26. It may be that some Cathotic protections of the cast iron tubes have been reduced because of Sandy corrison.
27. Of concern: is there operative tunnel plugs on the NY side to prevent water entering NYP station in case of a major leak into the tunnel(s) that cannot be handled by the sump pumps.?
Here's a good summary of the bigger picture on the NEC: antique intrastructure, double the traffic and a lack of funding/diversion of profits to LD trains.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/nyregion/aging-infrastructure-plagues-nations-busiest-rail-corridor.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
schlimm Is this still the ~80 year old cat? Seems to fail almost monthly: cold, heat, snow, ice, wind. What a way to run a railroad!!
Is this still the ~80 year old cat? Seems to fail almost monthly: cold, heat, snow, ice, wind. What a way to run a railroad!!
According to another site Boardman took media to NYP to observe cables and circuit breakers. Any one with link ?
The concensus is that the commuter lines on the NEC don't pay their fair share for rail access, so apparently they are getting what they pay for.
NJ governor blasts Amtrak over this week's delays.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/christie-blasts-amtrak-for-causing-delays-for-nj-transit-commuters-1.1380604
Could it be that the Gov is worried about the possible current political fall out indicating he does not take constitutents needs properly?. Other GOP canidates certainly will have ammo. Any political campaign is only as good as the voter's last perceptions of a candidate.
Although does not appear to be heat related this week's problems that are occurring Newark - NYP again points out how fragile the present electrical distribution system is. From CAT to under sized feeders to low capacity substations to additional frequency converters each seems to be very vunerable.
These problems now when Amtrak and NJT want to add more load in the near future. At least NJT dual mode locos can help by running diesel although there may be indications these problems originate in the Hudson river tunnels..
See today's news wire.
Schlimm: This CAT is not the first that PRR installed. BUT -- What has been updated ( not constant tension ) of older PRR style CAT is not known. It may be that the CAT from PHL and especially Perry to WASH will only be patch work repairs for far into the future. That is because long range plans for this section of track provides for it to become 4 main track with some alignment changes for higher speeds. That can be found on both Amtrak NEC improvement plans and MARC plans. MARC desires to increase their number of trains on this route.
Of course until the funds can be acquired to rebuild the route these problems will continue. It may be that longer MARC trains can solve some capacity problems but the needed longer platforms will require careful planning to meet the 4 track plans. As well WASH does have platform lengths that cannot be increased until extended sets of tracks and necessary ladder tracks are first built. ( expensive ).
CAT [problems today Monday Apr 13 slowing MARC.
Here is MARC bulletin.
MARC Service Alert Southbound Penn Line Trains operating with electric locomotive will experience delays of 20 to 25 minutes between West Baltimore and Odenton stations due to a power outage in the catenary; Crews are w
Appears CAT torn down at Baltimore Penn station. Only one track availble to platform trains at BAL Penn station. Anyone know if one or more wire crews are stationed near this continuing occurring locations? MARC link ::
Earlier today ( Tuesday ) CAT torn down near BWI airport. As usual single tracking was in effect. CAT now restored. No link.
Depending on the failure location a CAT wire problem at NYP caused NJT to have to delay several trains around noon. More info not available.
More failures of the CAT this morning near Bowie.
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Some kind of problem between North Jersey coast line and NYP. First report said both wire and voltage maybe Henry6 can enlighten us ?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/08/overhead-wire-problem-suspends-nj-transit-amtrak-trains/
Report service restored
Although not directly a CAT problem the signal lines have been knocked down slowing traffic south of Baltimore. Does this appears as one more symptom of lack of maintenance in the PC Conrail era ? At one time Amtrak was going to install commercial power back up for signals. Anyone know if any progress ?
LINK:
Slightly off topic Amtrak is having to do emergency repairs to the B & P tunnel at Baltimore. Any one with information ?
MARC Service Alert MARC 537 (3:20pm dept BALT) is operating 30 minutes late en route to Washington, due to emergency track work in the B & P Tunnel as well as following a delayed Amtrak train. We apologize for any incon
MARC Service Alert Due to speed restrictions in the B & P Tunnel, please expect 20-25 minute delays on all PENN Line services in both directions this in addition to the Amtrak heat orders set in place earlier this afternoon
Another failure BAL - WASH today
MARC Service Alert Train 523 the 8:10 am Perryville departure is experiencing delay just north of Martin Airport due to catenary wire issues. Expecting possible 20 to 25 minute delay. Updates to follow.
Baltimore to Washington disrupted due to storm damage to ancient CAT. This section of track seems to have more than its share of CAT problems.
MARC bulletin
All Penn Line service is stopped at this time due to severe weather which has resulted in problems with the overhead electric wires. All trains--Amtrak and MARC--between Washington and Perryville will hold in their current location until further notice. Updates will be provided as information is available.
Went south on NE corridor April 30. Trees may have washed out under the same rain load that collapsed CSX retaining wall in Baltimore. Some tracks in Corridor had water to the tie tops.
Once again MARC service disrupted due to trees in the wires Guess more soft ground problems. This is what Amtrak gets trying to work around the nimbys desire to leave all trees on the ROW ?
This makes a very negative comment on our antiquated infrastructure and/or ability to design and maintain a functioning catenary.
CAT problems near Perryville this morning had MARC backed up as well.
No link available.
Only report I saw this morning said wire was pulled down and there was an outage on 12 tracks. See what the evening reports are in a little while.
henry6 Trains were back in regular service soon after 8AM....
Trains were back in regular service soon after 8AM....
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