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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:18 PM
 
 

Another failure of reported switch but it may have been a signal problem ?

 

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> Train 401 has encountered a switch problem just south of Seabrook station. It will be necessary for the train to reverse back towards Bowie to change tracks. We expect 401 to operate approximately 20

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, August 19, 2016 8:28 PM
 
 

Another failure today ( Friday )

 

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> Due to signal and switch issue between Bowie and Odenton. All MARC trains on the Penn Line in both directions will be be operating approximately 25-30 minutes late. Metro is honoring MAR Tickets. OptO

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:52 AM

Another failure on the MARC section of the NEC.  It must be this area is the oldest part of the signal and CAT system of the PRR that has not been upgraded ?  Anyone with more info ?

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> Due to signal and switch issue between Odenton and Bowie all Penn Line trains in both directions will operate 30-35 minutes late. Metro is honoring MARC Tickets OptOut: http://mtamarylandalerts.com/u.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, July 29, 2016 8:54 PM
 
 

Once again more CAT problems in the MARC area.  This time there is no excuse as Amtrak has not cleared enough trees so a tree fouls the CAT on two tracks.

 

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> Due to trees in the catenary between Bowies State station and New Carrollton, trains in both directions may take a possible 10 to 15 mintue delay account of single tracking. OptOut: http://mtamaryland

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Posted by NorthWest on Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:27 PM

Meanwhile, Walk Bridge is apparently stuck open again...

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Posted by RME on Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:22 PM

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The PRR did a study back around 1960 or so considering that very thing. In the end they decided to keep the electrification

And that's where the E44s came from, and later the Metroliners instead of a glorified Turbotrain.

And then Conrail almost jumped the 'right way' in the early '80s with the dual-mode plan -- I still think that made sense to do at the time*, and in some contexts still might (especially with DC-link inverted motor control and practical wayside storage).

I am amazed we still have variable-tension cat at 25Hz and ancient infrastructure so many places on what was and is some of the fastest railroad in America.

Put constant-tension in across New Jersey and watch the fun start.  (Although I will miss the amazing spark shows that the Silverliners put on with the old fixed cat during ice days in the wintertime!)

*that being, I believe, before Amtrak intentionally raised power charges in part to get freight off the Corridor.  As I recall that's the prime factor that was 'stated' as leading to shutting down the Conrail electrifications, although it is also true that reducing the number of trains that can use an electrified Corridor rapidly makes the fixed overhead costs of electric traction uneconomical; that certainly applied to the Low Grade not just in terms of the catenary wirework but the track as well...

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:44 AM

The PRR did a study back around 1960 or so considering that very thing.  In the end they decided to keep the electrification.  Maybe they shouldn't have, but I'm sure at the time it made sense.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, May 27, 2016 6:59 PM

Run diesels and catanary isn't needed.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, May 27, 2016 4:51 PM

And once again more CAT failures around WASH Union station

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:47 PM

  Once again another signal problem WASH - Perryville.

All northbound trains are currently experiencing  a signal delay north of Odenton Station.  Personnel are on sight working to correct the issue.  Updates will continue as they become available.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, February 26, 2016 11:37 AM

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  South end had another failure of signals. From MARC posting.

Feb 25 at 7:12 PM
EDIT  --  unconfirmed report that tree across signal code or power lines ?

High winds for the past 48 hours in the Mid-Atlantic area, coupled with saturated ground from the snow melt from last months 2 foot plus blizzard and then the 2 plus inches of rain from the storm on the 24th.  Perfect situation to blow trees over!

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 26, 2016 3:18 AM

  South end had another failure of signals. From MARC posting.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 6:27 PM

No details when failure happened but appears that the rebuilt Gate to New Rochelle 12.5 Kv 60 Hz had a failure.  Would suspect that either a step down transformer feeding the route failed or a feeder itself failed.  Brings up the question  " Why isn't there a backup source ? "

Amtrak bulletin.

Amtrak Resumes Electric Service between New Haven and New York

Temporary repairs made to overhead power system

 

Amtrak engineering forces have made temporary repairs to the overhead electrical system that powers trains on the Northeast Corridor. 
Electric operation has now resumed in the affected area between Penn Station and New Rochelle, NY, though residual delays can be expected through the evening.  
Amtrak regrets any inconvenience. This information is correct as of the above time and date. Information is subject to change as conditions warrant.
Passengers with travel plans can confirm their train's status, change their plans or review refund information using a range of tools – including Amtrak.com, smartphone apps or by calling 800-USA-RAIL. Service Alerts, Passenger Notices and other announcements are posted at Amtrak.com/alerts.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:45 AM

If MARC issues these bulletins in a similar style to Metra, "signal problems" can cover a whole variety of sins.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, December 2, 2015 5:07 PM

Another signal problem WASH - BAL delaying MARC.  Note: Amtrak never lists these problems so the only part that gets reliable outage info. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:27 PM

.  Unconfirmed reports are that it actually was CETC that had failed and needed rebooting.   Center located at PHL 30th st station.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, November 8, 2015 9:25 AM

Circuit board goes pop?  Whatabout those locomotives that transmit data to a central location?

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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:46 AM

Maybe you should bring back ball signals as a reliable backup to the backup!!   You can never be over-protected.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:29 AM

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Until signal equipment and system designers learn to design with self-diagnosing features, as EMD and GE have done with locomotives.

Even then - the self diagnosis doesn't necessarily point to the exact problem nor does it necessarily identify the proper fix.

Seen too many technicians get to the point that computer board XYZ is bad - they install a new board XYZ and the failure repeats itself immediately - something caused XYZ to fail and it isn't in XYZ itself - that is when you have to know your stuff.  And board XYZ only costs several thousand dollars a pop!

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:02 AM

Until signal equipment and system designers learn to design with self-diagnosing features, as EMD and GE have done with locomotives.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, November 7, 2015 2:37 AM

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Second time this week another failure on the nEC section that MARC travels.

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Signal issues at Washington Union Terminal - it also delayed all the VRE, diesel opeated commuter trains to Manassas and Fredericksburg.

As signal systems become more electronic and more complex, diagnosing and fixing the problems can be more involved and time consuming.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 6, 2015 7:10 PM

Second time this week another failure on the nEC section that MARC travels.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:55 PM
Second time this week more signal problems.
 

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> MARC 428 (410 dpt WAS) has departed Washington and is operating with a delay of approximately 20-25 minutes due to signal issues in Washington.  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:55 PM
The almost weekly CAT or signal power failure on the MARC section of Amtrak's Penn line failed again Signal power failure this evening.  What has happened to the backup commercial power for signals that Amtrak is supposed to be installing ?. 
 

MARC Service Alert <alert@mtamarylandalerts.com> All Penn Line trains will experience major delays due to a signal power outage between West Baltimore and Washington. The trains are moving and all trains have lights and climate control. Trains will

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM

Actually, most subway equipment was not only on high ground but underground as well.   Rockaway Park, Coney Island, and Westechester Av. yards were emptied, and no equipment was south of 42nd Street in Manhattan.  The Washington Heights subway tunnels, A and 1, were filled.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:15 AM

Interesting article.  Important item says that 2 of 4 feeders in tunnel failed.  That may have been either 12Kv CAT  power or maybe it might be that  138Kv feeders are in the tunnel as well that Amtrak uses to feed 12 Kv CAT transformers.  Anyone know ?

http://www.northjersey.com/news/analysis-committing-cash-is-key-to-hudson-tunnel-talk-1.1382096

    EDIT:    Probably that 138 Kv feeders to NYP transformers are in the tunnel as well.  Transformers in NYP have to be fed from somewhere and using the two source rule may also be in East river tunnels as well. Power sources Mutchken  ( SP? )  and Sunnyside.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, July 27, 2015 7:40 PM

Wizlish
 

"Hudson River fresh water" at 33rd St.?  The salt front is at Tappan Zee even in normal conditions, and it's been known to go as far north as Poughkeepsie...

 

 
Yes but some business adm major(s) who had never taken a chemistry  course might have thought that a diluted sea water solution was OK.  Its all about those sodium and chlorine ions that matter. 
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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, July 27, 2015 3:36 PM

Blue Streak, you are correct.   And yes, LIRR did move all its mu equipment to high ground.   Very little MN and LIRR rolling stock, perhaps none, was damaged.  Also true of the subway system and PATH.  NJT was alone in not using all precautions.

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Posted by Wizlish on Monday, July 27, 2015 3:23 PM

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In hindsight the water was not Hudson river fresh water but was salt water pushed up the Hudson by the Sandy winds

"Hudson River fresh water" at 33rd St.?  The salt front is at Tappan Zee even in normal conditions, and it's been known to go as far north as Poughkeepsie...

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, July 27, 2015 1:13 PM

The point about north river tunnel flood doors is that in case of a catastrophic failure of a tunnel hudson river water would not flood the NYP tracks which are below sea level.  During "Sandy" the river went over flood walls on the east side of the Hudson along Manhattan.  Those waters though not extensive were enough to flood the west end tracks of NYP.  A decision was made to let the waters go into the tunels. In hindsight the water was not Hudson river fresh water but was salt water pushed up the Hudson by the Sandy winds and maybe should have been kept out of the Hudson tunnels.  It was a decision to protect the track, third rail, signals, and switch machines at NYP.  Does anyone remember if LIRR had moved their EMUs from the west side yard  ?  That location would have needed protection as well.

As well East river tunnels 1 & 2 received some water from the Queens side but were somewhat protected by temporary water filled bladder dams.  Bladders protected 3 & 4 which did not get any water.  That is why east river tunnels 1 & 2 are scheduled to need 1 + year each closure for "Sandy" repairs.  That is in addition to the temporary closures that have ocasionally already occurred and will in the future.  If the water had not gone into the North river tunnels the overflow might have back filled all the east river tunnels.

  Gets darned complicated does't it ? 

Seems to me to prevent any future flooding that operative flood doors need to be installed on all tunnel entrances.  4 in Queens, 4 on east river tunnels at NYP and 2 on North river tunnels at NYP.  Understand north river tunnel portals in NJ come out above sea level. 

As well flood doors on any ventilation shafts that are close to sea level.  

 

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