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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 5:32 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gacuster

Modelcar & MWH: Thanks for the answers and link to the other website. I imagine a fireman on a diesel locomotive has little to do, but at the same time there is the safety factor of another person in the cab.


I don't think you will find the "fireman" in the cab anymore. [:0]

There is the craft called, Firemen and Oilers. [8D]

I think Mr. H. could explain it much better than I. [;)]

So I will bow to the knowledge and experience of those with such knowledge. [bow]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 5:32 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gacuster

Modelcar & MWH: Thanks for the answers and link to the other website. I imagine a fireman on a diesel locomotive has little to do, but at the same time there is the safety factor of another person in the cab.


I don't think you will find the "fireman" in the cab anymore. [:0]

There is the craft called, Firemen and Oilers. [8D]

I think Mr. H. could explain it much better than I. [;)]

So I will bow to the knowledge and experience of those with such knowledge. [bow]
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Posted by gacuster on Monday, August 15, 2005 3:55 PM
Modelcar & MWH: Thanks for the answers and link to the other website. I imagine a fireman on a diesel locomotive has little to do, but at the same time there is the safety factor of another person in the cab.
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Posted by gacuster on Monday, August 15, 2005 3:55 PM
Modelcar & MWH: Thanks for the answers and link to the other website. I imagine a fireman on a diesel locomotive has little to do, but at the same time there is the safety factor of another person in the cab.
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Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, August 15, 2005 11:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

I have a question about seniority. I know that the more years you have, the more senority you have. But what if, persay, my friend Will were to work for 5 years as a yard engineer and decide he wants to be a through freight engineer. Would he go back to the bottom of the pile for through engineers or would his seniority count for anything?
That answer is complicated! In reality, it depends on the actual contract. Some contracts provide for full seniority after a transfer, others provide for restricted seniority i.e. can't bid on other work for a certain time period.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, August 15, 2005 11:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

I have a question about seniority. I know that the more years you have, the more senority you have. But what if, persay, my friend Will were to work for 5 years as a yard engineer and decide he wants to be a through freight engineer. Would he go back to the bottom of the pile for through engineers or would his seniority count for anything?
That answer is complicated! In reality, it depends on the actual contract. Some contracts provide for full seniority after a transfer, others provide for restricted seniority i.e. can't bid on other work for a certain time period.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:00 AM
MWH: Your definition of the term is probably the best that I've seen. As a reader of TRAINS with some seniority, I am proud that their editorial staff over the years has never used the word regarding work-rules disputes or anywhere else.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:00 AM
MWH: Your definition of the term is probably the best that I've seen. As a reader of TRAINS with some seniority, I am proud that their editorial staff over the years has never used the word regarding work-rules disputes or anywhere else.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by coborn35 on Monday, August 15, 2005 2:13 AM
I have a question about seniority. I know that the more years you have, the more senority you have. But what if, persay, my frined Will were to work for 5 years as a yard engineer and decide he wants to be a through freight engineer. Would he go back to the bottom of the pile for through engineers or would his seniority count for anything?

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Posted by coborn35 on Monday, August 15, 2005 2:13 AM
I have a question about seniority. I know that the more years you have, the more senority you have. But what if, persay, my frined Will were to work for 5 years as a yard engineer and decide he wants to be a through freight engineer. Would he go back to the bottom of the pile for through engineers or would his seniority count for anything?

Mechanical Department  "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."

The Missabe Road: Safety First

 

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Posted by Mikeygaw on Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:15 PM
i've seen with my own eyes on an NS coil car Protect II and pics of Protect III on NS coil cars... what is Protect II and Protect III?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:15 PM
i've seen with my own eyes on an NS coil car Protect II and pics of Protect III on NS coil cars... what is Protect II and Protect III?
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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:40 PM
Believe that is in simple terms....Arranging a situation of getting paid for questionable amount of work accomplished.

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:40 PM
Believe that is in simple terms....Arranging a situation of getting paid for questionable amount of work accomplished.

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Posted by gacuster on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:17 PM
What does the term "featherbedding" refer to when it is applied to railroads?
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Posted by gacuster on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:17 PM
What does the term "featherbedding" refer to when it is applied to railroads?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....
Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....

It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.




Q [:)]

It sure is a very good place to ask question. It might even cut down on the number of threads that might be posted.

If you have a question, ask it here. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....
Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....

It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.




Q [:)]

It sure is a very good place to ask question. It might even cut down on the number of threads that might be posted.

If you have a question, ask it here. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

The large rolls of newsprint are considered a high-grade commodity--any dents in the paper may interfere with smooth operation of the presses that it's run through. And a car that's less than clean may spoil the product, too. (Take it from someone with a little pressroom experience in his past!)


I have one of the DVDs on railroad safey and training. It talks about coupling at speeds greater than 3 mph. Anything greater than this can cause loads to shift and damage in items inside the boxcars. Rolled paper intended for newspaper printing was one item easily damaged. This of course is NOT what the customer wanted nor the railroad, as it costs both of them time and money. [:(]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

The large rolls of newsprint are considered a high-grade commodity--any dents in the paper may interfere with smooth operation of the presses that it's run through. And a car that's less than clean may spoil the product, too. (Take it from someone with a little pressroom experience in his past!)


I have one of the DVDs on railroad safey and training. It talks about coupling at speeds greater than 3 mph. Anything greater than this can cause loads to shift and damage in items inside the boxcars. Rolled paper intended for newspaper printing was one item easily damaged. This of course is NOT what the customer wanted nor the railroad, as it costs both of them time and money. [:(]
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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:40 PM
The large rolls of newsprint are considered a high-grade commodity--any dents in the paper may interfere with smooth operation of the presses that it's run through. And a car that's less than clean may spoil the product, too. (Take it from someone with a little pressroom experience in his past!)

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:40 PM
The large rolls of newsprint are considered a high-grade commodity--any dents in the paper may interfere with smooth operation of the presses that it's run through. And a car that's less than clean may spoil the product, too. (Take it from someone with a little pressroom experience in his past!)

Carl

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:39 PM
Why is it in the railroads' interest to lease (I assume they lease) sleds, boxcars, etc. from corporations like TTX? Does it have something to do with the tax structure?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:39 PM
Why is it in the railroads' interest to lease (I assume they lease) sleds, boxcars, etc. from corporations like TTX? Does it have something to do with the tax structure?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:37 PM
ok i've seen a boxcar that was marked Newsprint only, and iirc it was owned by shipper/receiver... is there any other cargo's that would affect the newsprint (or vice-versa) or would the Newsprint only restriction be set by the company that owns the boxcar?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:37 PM
ok i've seen a boxcar that was marked Newsprint only, and iirc it was owned by shipper/receiver... is there any other cargo's that would affect the newsprint (or vice-versa) or would the Newsprint only restriction be set by the company that owns the boxcar?
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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:28 PM
....Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:28 PM
....Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.

Quentin

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Stub switch



The position of the rails is held in place by the switch stand, good enough for early light engines but got more problematic as locos got bigger. A heavy loco couls cause the approach rails to spread and derail the engine.



Interesting.


Let's bring this topic back. [:)]

It has way too much info to let slide into history. [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Stub switch



The position of the rails is held in place by the switch stand, good enough for early light engines but got more problematic as locos got bigger. A heavy loco couls cause the approach rails to spread and derail the engine.



Interesting.


Let's bring this topic back. [:)]

It has way too much info to let slide into history. [;)]

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