Bad train pictures

[wabash1]

Ed

One thing you didnt mention is the fact ( at least on our road) is that when a track is blue flagged and locked out the lock is not the same as a switch lock. the lock used is for that department only. that craft is the only one who has keys for that lock. so only that craft can drop their own blue flag protection. also out on the double main it would be protected also with the dispatcher who will lock out all crossover switches under a track form.. this is unusual as they would rather the car to be set out. and repaired instead of tie up the main for long periods of time.

[wabash1]

Ed

One thing you didnt mention is the fact ( at least on our road) is that when a track is blue flagged and locked out the lock is not the same as a switch lock. the lock used is for that department only. that craft is the only one who has keys for that lock. so only that craft can drop their own blue flag protection. also out on the double main it would be protected also with the dispatcher who will lock out all crossover switches under a track form.. this is unusual as they would rather the car to be set out. and repaired instead of tie up the main for long periods of time.

[Granny74]

Ed,Thanks for your great answer. I always enjoy your posts and learn a lot.
Bob from AZ, the 82 year old teenage railfan LOL

[Granny74]

Ed,Thanks for your great answer. I always enjoy your posts and learn a lot.
Bob from AZ, the 82 year old teenage railfan LOL

[edblysard]

Yes,
Blue flag protection is provided by the locomotive dept or the car dept when they are servicing or repairing a locomotive or a car, or laceing up air hoses, or servicing a train or locomotive.
Any equipment protected by a blue flag or flags may not be moved, or coupled into, as men are working on, under and around it.
Any track protected by a blue flag may not be entered.
The blue flag may not be removed by anyone else other than the employee who placed it there, or a member of the same craft, operating under the orders or with the permission of the employee who placed the flag.
From the GCOR, rule 5.13, section B: on main track, a blue signal must be placed at each end of the rolling equipment.
On other than main track, any manually operated switch that provides direct access must be lined against movement onto the track and secured by an effective locking device. A blue signal must be placed at or near each such switch.
In other words, on a double main track, the train under blue flag must have a blue signal at each end, and a flagman must have followed the rule for providing flag protection, by placing a red flag at least 1 mile to the rear and one mile to the front of the train.
On a siding, all switches leading into the sideing must be lined and locked to prevent entrance into the sideing, and a blue signal must be placed near them.
In our yard, the car men line and lock yard tracks being worked for air, but we can use the tracks ajacent to the "flagged" track for switching.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by nance69

When a train is under a "blue flag", can another train pass it on an adjacent track?
Bob from AZ

[edblysard]

Yes,
Blue flag protection is provided by the locomotive dept or the car dept when they are servicing or repairing a locomotive or a car, or laceing up air hoses, or servicing a train or locomotive.
Any equipment protected by a blue flag or flags may not be moved, or coupled into, as men are working on, under and around it.
Any track protected by a blue flag may not be entered.
The blue flag may not be removed by anyone else other than the employee who placed it there, or a member of the same craft, operating under the orders or with the permission of the employee who placed the flag.
From the GCOR, rule 5.13, section B: on main track, a blue signal must be placed at each end of the rolling equipment.
On other than main track, any manually operated switch that provides direct access must be lined against movement onto the track and secured by an effective locking device. A blue signal must be placed at or near each such switch.
In other words, on a double main track, the train under blue flag must have a blue signal at each end, and a flagman must have followed the rule for providing flag protection, by placing a red flag at least 1 mile to the rear and one mile to the front of the train.
On a siding, all switches leading into the sideing must be lined and locked to prevent entrance into the sideing, and a blue signal must be placed near them.
In our yard, the car men line and lock yard tracks being worked for air, but we can use the tracks ajacent to the "flagged" track for switching.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by nance69

When a train is under a "blue flag", can another train pass it on an adjacent track?
Bob from AZ

[Granny74]

When a train is under a "blue flag", can another train pass it on an adjacent track?
Bob from AZ

[Granny74]

When a train is under a "blue flag", can another train pass it on an adjacent track?
Bob from AZ

[mudchicken]

RVPR = Riverport Railroad, LLC (Old Savanna, IL Army Munitions Depot railroad)

SLGR= ? Sure that isn't SLCR (St. Louis Chain of Rocks RR), SLRR or SLGW?, No X on the end implies new railroad as opposed to lease/private owner car...

[mudchicken]

RVPR = Riverport Railroad, LLC (Old Savanna, IL Army Munitions Depot railroad)

SLGR= ? Sure that isn't SLCR (St. Louis Chain of Rocks RR), SLRR or SLGW?, No X on the end implies new railroad as opposed to lease/private owner car...

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh

Hey Jim look out nora will be catching up as soon as she gets settled in.Nora when you do I got pictures for you.[:)]

I'm still not settled in, I just spent about an hour and a half here at the library deleting nearly 800 emails (I kept 13, I think) and decided to check in here. I'll let you know...they think it'll be about two more weeks before we can move.

--Nora

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh

Hey Jim look out nora will be catching up as soon as she gets settled in.Nora when you do I got pictures for you.[:)]

I'm still not settled in, I just spent about an hour and a half here at the library deleting nearly 800 emails (I kept 13, I think) and decided to check in here. I'll let you know...they think it'll be about two more weeks before we can move.

--Nora

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....I have wondered about the tank cars being lower in the middle just as you Nora...and I recently read it is to enhance the process of draining of the liquid.

I never even noticed that they were lower in the middle on the bottom as well as the top. [:I] If I had looked more carefully, I probably could have guessed the answer to my own question. Thanks for answering. [:)]

--Nora

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....I have wondered about the tank cars being lower in the middle just as you Nora...and I recently read it is to enhance the process of draining of the liquid.

I never even noticed that they were lower in the middle on the bottom as well as the top. [:I] If I had looked more carefully, I probably could have guessed the answer to my own question. Thanks for answering. [:)]

--Nora

[techguy57]

OK. Here's another. Just got back from running some errands and got stopped by a freight. Fun one too, auto parts and empty auto trains mostly, going to the Belvidere auto plant. Five UP engines, including an ex-CNW GM EMD MP15DC. But I digress, my question stems around 2 reporting marks I can't track down: RVPR and SLGR, the latter being a centerbeam carrying lumber, unfortunately I failed to write down what the first one was. Anyone know to whom these might belong?

Mike

[techguy57]

OK. Here's another. Just got back from running some errands and got stopped by a freight. Fun one too, auto parts and empty auto trains mostly, going to the Belvidere auto plant. Five UP engines, including an ex-CNW GM EMD MP15DC. But I digress, my question stems around 2 reporting marks I can't track down: RVPR and SLGR, the latter being a centerbeam carrying lumber, unfortunately I failed to write down what the first one was. Anyone know to whom these might belong?

Mike

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

HMMMM........Probably a UP mole. Make it look like, BNSF and NS are merging, so they can takeover CSX.......HMMMMM. I see a conspiracy developing. We better invade North Korea now, before this North Korea/Iran/UP axis of evil gets out of hand.

erase that before GW sees it!

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

HMMMM........Probably a UP mole. Make it look like, BNSF and NS are merging, so they can takeover CSX.......HMMMMM. I see a conspiracy developing. We better invade North Korea now, before this North Korea/Iran/UP axis of evil gets out of hand.

erase that before GW sees it!

[dharmon]

HMMMM........Probably a UP mole. Make it look like, BNSF and NS are merging, so they can takeover CSX.......HMMMMM. I see a conspiracy developing. We better invade North Korea now, before this North Korea/Iran/UP axis of evil gets out of hand.

[dharmon]

HMMMM........Probably a UP mole. Make it look like, BNSF and NS are merging, so they can takeover CSX.......HMMMMM. I see a conspiracy developing. We better invade North Korea now, before this North Korea/Iran/UP axis of evil gets out of hand.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

So why in the world was a NS unit in SoCal today?

I know the answer! I'll answer this one! (Plus it'll give me a chance to be part of the most popular thread on the web! (301 posts with this one))!

An NS loco in Southern California is part of what's called run-through power. I'll assume you saw it on a BNSF train? Or if not, if it was sitting around it's probably waiting for it's return east. Run through power is when railroads kinda loan their locos to other railroads. I've seen NS on BNSF trains a lot through here the last several months. The trains through here go from LA to KC to CHI and back again. I've been told it's possible the NS engine came from KC, since they have a line through there and they have an auto-carrier yard, which, by the way, I've seen.

That's about the jist of it. I reconstructed the answer from memory from what others have said on this forum. So someone correct me if I'm wrong or add it to it.

Okay a got a better look at the NS unit at the port of SD this morning. (First you have to understand I get a few seconds glance crossing a bridge over the top of it, and quite frankly the California drivers get most of my attention, kinda like NASCAR with fewer rules). It is still in town, but now coupled to two BNSF pumpkins and a train of covered hoppers, looking like it was getting ready to leave. The interesting thing is that the NS on both sides was missing. Still had the stripes. Any ideas???

Somewhere in a brain wrinkle it seems that someone said or I read that there is another engine that is kind of a NS look alike and has black w/white stripes.
Would that be it and explain why no NS on side?

Mook

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

So why in the world was a NS unit in SoCal today?

I know the answer! I'll answer this one! (Plus it'll give me a chance to be part of the most popular thread on the web! (301 posts with this one))!

An NS loco in Southern California is part of what's called run-through power. I'll assume you saw it on a BNSF train? Or if not, if it was sitting around it's probably waiting for it's return east. Run through power is when railroads kinda loan their locos to other railroads. I've seen NS on BNSF trains a lot through here the last several months. The trains through here go from LA to KC to CHI and back again. I've been told it's possible the NS engine came from KC, since they have a line through there and they have an auto-carrier yard, which, by the way, I've seen.

That's about the jist of it. I reconstructed the answer from memory from what others have said on this forum. So someone correct me if I'm wrong or add it to it.

Okay a got a better look at the NS unit at the port of SD this morning. (First you have to understand I get a few seconds glance crossing a bridge over the top of it, and quite frankly the California drivers get most of my attention, kinda like NASCAR with fewer rules). It is still in town, but now coupled to two BNSF pumpkins and a train of covered hoppers, looking like it was getting ready to leave. The interesting thing is that the NS on both sides was missing. Still had the stripes. Any ideas???

Somewhere in a brain wrinkle it seems that someone said or I read that there is another engine that is kind of a NS look alike and has black w/white stripes.
Would that be it and explain why no NS on side?

Mook

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

So why in the world was a NS unit in SoCal today?

I know the answer! I'll answer this one! (Plus it'll give me a chance to be part of the most popular thread on the web! (301 posts with this one))!

An NS loco in Southern California is part of what's called run-through power. I'll assume you saw it on a BNSF train? Or if not, if it was sitting around it's probably waiting for it's return east. Run through power is when railroads kinda loan their locos to other railroads. I've seen NS on BNSF trains a lot through here the last several months. The trains through here go from LA to KC to CHI and back again. I've been told it's possible the NS engine came from KC, since they have a line through there and they have an auto-carrier yard, which, by the way, I've seen.

That's about the jist of it. I reconstructed the answer from memory from what others have said on this forum. So someone correct me if I'm wrong or add it to it.

Okay a got a better look at the NS unit at the port of SD this morning. (First you have to understand I get a few seconds glance crossing a bridge over the top of it, and quite frankly the California drivers get most of my attention, kinda like NASCAR with fewer rules). It is still in town, but now coupled to two BNSF pumpkins and a train of covered hoppers, looking like it was getting ready to leave. The interesting thing is that the NS on both sides was missing. Still had the stripes. Any ideas???

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

So why in the world was a NS unit in SoCal today?

I know the answer! I'll answer this one! (Plus it'll give me a chance to be part of the most popular thread on the web! (301 posts with this one))!

An NS loco in Southern California is part of what's called run-through power. I'll assume you saw it on a BNSF train? Or if not, if it was sitting around it's probably waiting for it's return east. Run through power is when railroads kinda loan their locos to other railroads. I've seen NS on BNSF trains a lot through here the last several months. The trains through here go from LA to KC to CHI and back again. I've been told it's possible the NS engine came from KC, since they have a line through there and they have an auto-carrier yard, which, by the way, I've seen.

That's about the jist of it. I reconstructed the answer from memory from what others have said on this forum. So someone correct me if I'm wrong or add it to it.

Okay a got a better look at the NS unit at the port of SD this morning. (First you have to understand I get a few seconds glance crossing a bridge over the top of it, and quite frankly the California drivers get most of my attention, kinda like NASCAR with fewer rules). It is still in town, but now coupled to two BNSF pumpkins and a train of covered hoppers, looking like it was getting ready to leave. The interesting thing is that the NS on both sides was missing. Still had the stripes. Any ideas???

[Anonymous]

About run-through power. I assume it is the same case when I notice some of the western roads units over here on NS mainline. I have spotted (and filmed) several Union Pacific and BNSF locomotives (all DC) on NS trains going through here. It is awesome to see the other roads, I wish I could see more.

[Anonymous]

About run-through power. I assume it is the same case when I notice some of the western roads units over here on NS mainline. I have spotted (and filmed) several Union Pacific and BNSF locomotives (all DC) on NS trains going through here. It is awesome to see the other roads, I wish I could see more.

[wabash1]

the ns power you see in southern california is from the conductor( the guy who knows all and is the boss) telling what ever engineer it is where to go. ( as the original engineer already got off the train in kc.) see the conductor fell asleep looking at himself in the mirror, and woke up when they got to the yard and of course the ns didnt miss him.

amtrak engineers are just that they are qualified on a certain amount of track, it can be farther than the frieght engineer because of milage but in most cases not. the change point is where the company wants it to be,

the tones you hear are just that we are calling up the dispatcher. if a dispatcher has 300 miles of track and several spur lines it is impossible sometimes to keep track of all the people calling and who is working. if you tone the dispatcher he knows what tower to answer and most generally what train is calling it makes his end of the radio quieter.

[wabash1]

the ns power you see in southern california is from the conductor( the guy who knows all and is the boss) telling what ever engineer it is where to go. ( as the original engineer already got off the train in kc.) see the conductor fell asleep looking at himself in the mirror, and woke up when they got to the yard and of course the ns didnt miss him.

amtrak engineers are just that they are qualified on a certain amount of track, it can be farther than the frieght engineer because of milage but in most cases not. the change point is where the company wants it to be,

the tones you hear are just that we are calling up the dispatcher. if a dispatcher has 300 miles of track and several spur lines it is impossible sometimes to keep track of all the people calling and who is working. if you tone the dispatcher he knows what tower to answer and most generally what train is calling it makes his end of the radio quieter.

[kwboehm]

I've got another question for a railroad employee (or I guess anyone else who may know the answer)...
What is the purpose of the call in tones on the radio? For instance, where I live I'll hear what sounds like someone dialing (usually 3 digits), followed by a beep beep. A shor time later I'll hear the dispatcher pipe up, "BNSF Omaha dispatcher answering Glenwood radio, over." Why can't the train / track crew just radio to the dispatcher? I know the subs are on different radio channels, as well as yards on different channels than the main lines. Is there some detail that I'm missing?

[kwboehm]

I've got another question for a railroad employee (or I guess anyone else who may know the answer)...
What is the purpose of the call in tones on the radio? For instance, where I live I'll hear what sounds like someone dialing (usually 3 digits), followed by a beep beep. A shor time later I'll hear the dispatcher pipe up, "BNSF Omaha dispatcher answering Glenwood radio, over." Why can't the train / track crew just radio to the dispatcher? I know the subs are on different radio channels, as well as yards on different channels than the main lines. Is there some detail that I'm missing?