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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

Kevin you mean i give the impression i am not a nice guy.... that is nice. there is not to many of them rules i aint broke either. I wont go into spacifics right now. but i have a few basic that i brake regularly. its like braking the law if you dont get caught you didnt do it.

nora

In starting a train its not hard and i will walk you thru step by step how i do it.
fisrt you get on the engine put your stuff down and then you open up the control cabinit and close all the breakers and knife switch. then you go out to the engine room and prime the engine. then you fo back inside and make sure the control stand switches are corectly positioned ( something you should have done before you went to prime the engine that you forget to do every time) then go back out to prime the engine ( a good prime is fine) then you turn the switch to start ( if it is a GE engine this may take 10 sec before it even starts to crank they are like a woman you got to get them stimulated before they decide to start a EMD will crank right away) if it is a computorized engine you wont have a lay shaft if it has a lay shaft push it in while cranking. after engine starts go back inside and wait for the air to come up. when everything is ready with the engine help the conductor find his way to the cab. ( not all conductors need this some engines come with conductors. from previos trip) thats all there is to it.

I'ts only a crime if your caught.

Not that i'm encouraging kids to burn down their schools, or people to race Trains to the track. See, then i'll just kick the persons head in if I catch them, and thats not a crime unless i'm caught, See the circle? so the moral of the story is don't let kevin or the law catch you.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

Kevin you mean i give the impression i am not a nice guy.... that is nice. there is not to many of them rules i aint broke either. I wont go into spacifics right now. but i have a few basic that i brake regularly. its like braking the law if you dont get caught you didnt do it.

nora

In starting a train its not hard and i will walk you thru step by step how i do it.
fisrt you get on the engine put your stuff down and then you open up the control cabinit and close all the breakers and knife switch. then you go out to the engine room and prime the engine. then you fo back inside and make sure the control stand switches are corectly positioned ( something you should have done before you went to prime the engine that you forget to do every time) then go back out to prime the engine ( a good prime is fine) then you turn the switch to start ( if it is a GE engine this may take 10 sec before it even starts to crank they are like a woman you got to get them stimulated before they decide to start a EMD will crank right away) if it is a computorized engine you wont have a lay shaft if it has a lay shaft push it in while cranking. after engine starts go back inside and wait for the air to come up. when everything is ready with the engine help the conductor find his way to the cab. ( not all conductors need this some engines come with conductors. from previos trip) thats all there is to it.

I'ts only a crime if your caught.

Not that i'm encouraging kids to burn down their schools, or people to race Trains to the track. See, then i'll just kick the persons head in if I catch them, and thats not a crime unless i'm caught, See the circle? so the moral of the story is don't let kevin or the law catch you.

[Mikeygaw]

ok... here we go.... what's the difference between articulated and non-articulated steam locomotives?

[Mikeygaw]

ok... here we go.... what's the difference between articulated and non-articulated steam locomotives?

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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeygaw

ok... here we go.... what's the difference between articulated and non-articulated steam locomotives?

Hi, Mikey!

Here is how I understand it, but don't take any of it for granted:

Articulated steamers have two (or more - Erie and Virginian railroads had locomotives with three) sets of cylinders+driving wheels, or two or more engines. The front engine is not rigidly fixed to the locomotive, its rear end is hinged approximately between the rear engine's cylinders, so it can swing under the boiler in order to enable the locomotive to negotiate curves etc.
There are two types of articulated locomotives in the U.S. that I know of, the simple articulated, and the Mallett type.
The Mallett articulateds can easily be spotted by giant front cylinders. Their front or low-pressure cylinders are approx. 50% larger than the rear or the high-pressure ones. That's because the steam from the boiler is fed to the rear cylinders first, and the rear cylinders exhaust it into the front cylinders via large steam pipes. The steam loses some of the pressure and heat in the process, and that's why the front or low-pressure cylinders are so large - to make better use of the remaining steam energy.

The cylinders of simple articulateds are all of the same size and they all get high pressure steam directly from the boiler.

I think I remember a sentence from a 1979 Model Railroader: "All Malletts are articulated, but not all articulateds are Malletts."

I think the Beyer-Garrat locomotives also fall into the category of articulateds. They were mostly used in Africa. They also have two engines which are both hinged to a frame that carries the boiler and the cab of the locomotive and I think one of the engine carries the water tank above it, and the other carries the fuel (coal or oil). Interesting machines, and most of them narrow (1076 mm) gauge.

Non-articulated steamers can have more than two cylinders, too - those are called compound locomotives. Their third (or third and fourth) cylinders are concealed inside the frame, under the boiler. Complicated maintenance.

Another type, the Pennsylvania Railroad's T-1 Duplex steamers (4-4-4-4), had two sets of (outside placed) cylinders+drivers in a rigid frame, so they weren't articulated. I think the S-1 or what their name was (4-4-6-4), the PRR giants, were also rigid-frame locos.


Have fun,
Oliver

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeygaw

ok... here we go.... what's the difference between articulated and non-articulated steam locomotives?

Hi, Mikey!

Here is how I understand it, but don't take any of it for granted:

Articulated steamers have two (or more - Erie and Virginian railroads had locomotives with three) sets of cylinders+driving wheels, or two or more engines. The front engine is not rigidly fixed to the locomotive, its rear end is hinged approximately between the rear engine's cylinders, so it can swing under the boiler in order to enable the locomotive to negotiate curves etc.
There are two types of articulated locomotives in the U.S. that I know of, the simple articulated, and the Mallett type.
The Mallett articulateds can easily be spotted by giant front cylinders. Their front or low-pressure cylinders are approx. 50% larger than the rear or the high-pressure ones. That's because the steam from the boiler is fed to the rear cylinders first, and the rear cylinders exhaust it into the front cylinders via large steam pipes. The steam loses some of the pressure and heat in the process, and that's why the front or low-pressure cylinders are so large - to make better use of the remaining steam energy.

The cylinders of simple articulateds are all of the same size and they all get high pressure steam directly from the boiler.

I think I remember a sentence from a 1979 Model Railroader: "All Malletts are articulated, but not all articulateds are Malletts."

I think the Beyer-Garrat locomotives also fall into the category of articulateds. They were mostly used in Africa. They also have two engines which are both hinged to a frame that carries the boiler and the cab of the locomotive and I think one of the engine carries the water tank above it, and the other carries the fuel (coal or oil). Interesting machines, and most of them narrow (1076 mm) gauge.

Non-articulated steamers can have more than two cylinders, too - those are called compound locomotives. Their third (or third and fourth) cylinders are concealed inside the frame, under the boiler. Complicated maintenance.

Another type, the Pennsylvania Railroad's T-1 Duplex steamers (4-4-4-4), had two sets of (outside placed) cylinders+drivers in a rigid frame, so they weren't articulated. I think the S-1 or what their name was (4-4-6-4), the PRR giants, were also rigid-frame locos.


Have fun,
Oliver

[edblysard]

Nora,
Yes, they do have a "key" of sorts.
It is the reverser handle.
This handle fits in a slot centered in the engineers control stand, right under the throttle.
Placed center, the locomotive is in netural, pu***o one side, forward, the other way is reverse.
The handle has small notches, somewhat like a car key, whick lock it in place.
Most engineers carry a spare with them.
Some road require the reverser to be removed when the motors are tied down.
For both you and Mookie, I would bet that, within a hour, Wabash could teach you guys enough to not only start the locomotive, but move it around.
And here is something for Nora to think about.
If someone did manage to steal a locomotive, where exactly would you go with it?
Its not like you can drive one over to the chop shop!
The instant you passed a signal, the dispatcher would know someone was out there on his or her tracks, and begin trying to get them on the radio.
If they didnt respond, and kept moving , the dispatcher would call the railroad cops, and assume they had a runaway.
Hollywood has done a great job of providing the impression that all you have to do is jump on, crank her up and go.
It dosnt work that way, and it isnt like the tracks go somewhere that you cant find!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Nora,
Yes, they do have a "key" of sorts.
It is the reverser handle.
This handle fits in a slot centered in the engineers control stand, right under the throttle.
Placed center, the locomotive is in netural, pu***o one side, forward, the other way is reverse.
The handle has small notches, somewhat like a car key, whick lock it in place.
Most engineers carry a spare with them.
Some road require the reverser to be removed when the motors are tied down.
For both you and Mookie, I would bet that, within a hour, Wabash could teach you guys enough to not only start the locomotive, but move it around.
And here is something for Nora to think about.
If someone did manage to steal a locomotive, where exactly would you go with it?
Its not like you can drive one over to the chop shop!
The instant you passed a signal, the dispatcher would know someone was out there on his or her tracks, and begin trying to get them on the radio.
If they didnt respond, and kept moving , the dispatcher would call the railroad cops, and assume they had a runaway.
Hollywood has done a great job of providing the impression that all you have to do is jump on, crank her up and go.
It dosnt work that way, and it isnt like the tracks go somewhere that you cant find!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Probably the best resource regarding articulated locomotives is Lionel Wiener's "Articulated Locomotives". It covers every type of articulated locomotive you ever imagined and more than a few others. Kalmbach issued a reprint of this book some years ago and it may still be available.

PRR's duplexes (T1, S1, Q1 & Q2) were all rigid-frame duplex-drives and were not articulated. B&O also had a duplex-drive 4-4-4-4.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Probably the best resource regarding articulated locomotives is Lionel Wiener's "Articulated Locomotives". It covers every type of articulated locomotive you ever imagined and more than a few others. Kalmbach issued a reprint of this book some years ago and it may still be available.

PRR's duplexes (T1, S1, Q1 & Q2) were all rigid-frame duplex-drives and were not articulated. B&O also had a duplex-drive 4-4-4-4.

[dehusman]

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

OK, now to make it even more complicated is this. According to the Whyte Classification System all the following are listed as articulated:

0-6-6-0
0-8-8-0
2-6-6-0
2-6-6-2
2-6-6-4
2-8-8-0
2-8-8-2
2-10-10-2 (wow musta been a mile long)

Now we are also familar with the Big Boy and the Challenger. Both are articulated, but in the Whyle Classification System are "Typed" as Big Boy and Challenger


As Kev would say, "Clear as Mud." [:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

OK, now to make it even more complicated is this. According to the Whyte Classification System all the following are listed as articulated:

0-6-6-0
0-8-8-0
2-6-6-0
2-6-6-2
2-6-6-4
2-8-8-0
2-8-8-2
2-10-10-2 (wow musta been a mile long)

Now we are also familar with the Big Boy and the Challenger. Both are articulated, but in the Whyle Classification System are "Typed" as Big Boy and Challenger


As Kev would say, "Clear as Mud." [:D]

[Anonymous]

Now for the next [?]


I was asked this morning in an aol messenger chat about the controls on B units. I have read that B units did have controls for the hostler. Were the controls standard and every B unit or an option? Now let me ask a little more about this subject. Were the controls placed at both the front and rear of the B unit or just at one end? If so, which end? Does anyone have a picture of these controls? If so it would be interesting to see them.

Thanks all.

[Anonymous]

Now for the next [?]


I was asked this morning in an aol messenger chat about the controls on B units. I have read that B units did have controls for the hostler. Were the controls standard and every B unit or an option? Now let me ask a little more about this subject. Were the controls placed at both the front and rear of the B unit or just at one end? If so, which end? Does anyone have a picture of these controls? If so it would be interesting to see them.

Thanks all.

[CShaveRR]

Techguy:

Really, you've hit on just about all of the places you can watch Proviso without trespassing. Of those, I'd suggest the Mannheim bridge, looking westward. Bring binoculars. (But be prepared to do a little explaining if somebody turns you in to the local police...I doubt that the railroad will be too upset).

At Berkeley, you're basically seeing the trains departing for the west, plus some intermodal switching at Global 2 (and most of the interesting part of that is often obscured, to the east).

If you and your girlfriend feel like taking a trip, try the Kress Road overpass west of West Chicago, and look east at the yard. Most of the yard action is pretty distant, but you're sure to see something.

[CShaveRR]

Techguy:

Really, you've hit on just about all of the places you can watch Proviso without trespassing. Of those, I'd suggest the Mannheim bridge, looking westward. Bring binoculars. (But be prepared to do a little explaining if somebody turns you in to the local police...I doubt that the railroad will be too upset).

At Berkeley, you're basically seeing the trains departing for the west, plus some intermodal switching at Global 2 (and most of the interesting part of that is often obscured, to the east).

If you and your girlfriend feel like taking a trip, try the Kress Road overpass west of West Chicago, and look east at the yard. Most of the yard action is pretty distant, but you're sure to see something.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Weiner was pretty specific with his definitions.
An articulated locomotive was one in which both of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line from the boiler. This includes Garratts, Shays, and a variety of other types.
A semi-articulated locomotive was one in which one of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line with the boiler but the other driving wheel frame could not. This includes Mallets and most North American simple articulateds.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Weiner was pretty specific with his definitions.
An articulated locomotive was one in which both of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line from the boiler. This includes Garratts, Shays, and a variety of other types.
A semi-articulated locomotive was one in which one of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line with the boiler but the other driving wheel frame could not. This includes Mallets and most North American simple articulateds.

[techguy57]

Thanks to northwesterner and as always to Carl for the info. I'll try the Kress Road suggestion next time I'm out that way.

Does anyone know whether UP has any new plans for the Janesville branch. Crystal Lake is getting a second METRA station so that would explain some of the extensive track work going on but it seems freght activity is up on the line as well. I know that the line services the Janesville auto plant but the increase has been in manifest loads as well as auto parts and carriers. Maybe its just a general rise in freight traffic but if anyone has any ideas please share them.
Hope everyone is having a good day.

Mike

[techguy57]

Thanks to northwesterner and as always to Carl for the info. I'll try the Kress Road suggestion next time I'm out that way.

Does anyone know whether UP has any new plans for the Janesville branch. Crystal Lake is getting a second METRA station so that would explain some of the extensive track work going on but it seems freght activity is up on the line as well. I know that the line services the Janesville auto plant but the increase has been in manifest loads as well as auto parts and carriers. Maybe its just a general rise in freight traffic but if anyone has any ideas please share them.
Hope everyone is having a good day.

Mike

[dehusman]

The hostler controls were not in the end of a B unit, they were on the side near a porthole window.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The hostler controls were not in the end of a B unit, they were on the side near a porthole window.

Dave H.

[dharmon]

I have seen pictures of B units that had a window placed on the end for the hostler. I can't remember where though, and it was not a common occurance from what I gather.

[dharmon]

I have seen pictures of B units that had a window placed on the end for the hostler. I can't remember where though, and it was not a common occurance from what I gather.

[edblysard]

Hi Jim,
If you mean a EMD F7B unit, the hostler control were in one end, near the door, which had a porthole to see through.

On the newer B units, like the EMD SD40B, and GP60B, the controls are just inside one of the side doors.
They are a simple throttle, a independent brake and reverser.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Hi Jim,
If you mean a EMD F7B unit, the hostler control were in one end, near the door, which had a porthole to see through.

On the newer B units, like the EMD SD40B, and GP60B, the controls are just inside one of the side doors.
They are a simple throttle, a independent brake and reverser.
Stay Frosty,
Ed