Bad train pictures

[dehusman]

1. Starting an engine. While its not hard, it involves a little more than just turning a key. Then once you get it started you have to know how to release the brakes, then how to get it going. Most engineers will remove or hide the reverser handle, which is sorta like a key for the locomotive, especially if its going to be unattended.

2. Why they leave a work train on line. Because even though it might only be 10 miles out of town, getting through the yard and out those 10 miles can cost a couple hours of production. So they leave the train where it is.

3. Some roads put the GCOR on net. Some have it in a public place, some have it in an employee only site. Just like any other publication they are copyrighted. Each railroad adds their own unique rules to it and may add additional diagrams or other material. Its not that its a secret, its that one company doesn't want to spend big bucks developing a rule book so another company can come along and copy it for free.
Try www.transalert.com. They may sell copies of rule books. I know they sell all sort of other training materials.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

1. Starting an engine. While its not hard, it involves a little more than just turning a key. Then once you get it started you have to know how to release the brakes, then how to get it going. Most engineers will remove or hide the reverser handle, which is sorta like a key for the locomotive, especially if its going to be unattended.

2. Why they leave a work train on line. Because even though it might only be 10 miles out of town, getting through the yard and out those 10 miles can cost a couple hours of production. So they leave the train where it is.

3. Some roads put the GCOR on net. Some have it in a public place, some have it in an employee only site. Just like any other publication they are copyrighted. Each railroad adds their own unique rules to it and may add additional diagrams or other material. Its not that its a secret, its that one company doesn't want to spend big bucks developing a rule book so another company can come along and copy it for free.
Try www.transalert.com. They may sell copies of rule books. I know they sell all sort of other training materials.

Dave H.

[wabash1]

Kevin you mean i give the impression i am not a nice guy.... that is nice. there is not to many of them rules i aint broke either. I wont go into spacifics right now. but i have a few basic that i brake regularly. its like braking the law if you dont get caught you didnt do it.

nora

In starting a train its not hard and i will walk you thru step by step how i do it.
fisrt you get on the engine put your stuff down and then you open up the control cabinit and close all the breakers and knife switch. then you go out to the engine room and prime the engine. then you fo back inside and make sure the control stand switches are corectly positioned ( something you should have done before you went to prime the engine that you forget to do every time) then go back out to prime the engine ( a good prime is fine) then you turn the switch to start ( if it is a GE engine this may take 10 sec before it even starts to crank they are like a woman you got to get them stimulated before they decide to start a EMD will crank right away) if it is a computorized engine you wont have a lay shaft if it has a lay shaft push it in while cranking. after engine starts go back inside and wait for the air to come up. when everything is ready with the engine help the conductor find his way to the cab. ( not all conductors need this some engines come with conductors. from previos trip) thats all there is to it.

[wabash1]

Kevin you mean i give the impression i am not a nice guy.... that is nice. there is not to many of them rules i aint broke either. I wont go into spacifics right now. but i have a few basic that i brake regularly. its like braking the law if you dont get caught you didnt do it.

nora

In starting a train its not hard and i will walk you thru step by step how i do it.
fisrt you get on the engine put your stuff down and then you open up the control cabinit and close all the breakers and knife switch. then you go out to the engine room and prime the engine. then you fo back inside and make sure the control stand switches are corectly positioned ( something you should have done before you went to prime the engine that you forget to do every time) then go back out to prime the engine ( a good prime is fine) then you turn the switch to start ( if it is a GE engine this may take 10 sec before it even starts to crank they are like a woman you got to get them stimulated before they decide to start a EMD will crank right away) if it is a computorized engine you wont have a lay shaft if it has a lay shaft push it in while cranking. after engine starts go back inside and wait for the air to come up. when everything is ready with the engine help the conductor find his way to the cab. ( not all conductors need this some engines come with conductors. from previos trip) thats all there is to it.

[CShaveRR]

Well, Nora, the procedure for starting and moving a locomotive is complicated enough that not just anybody will know or remember all of the steps needed to do it. There have been instances (I can't remember the specifics) of railfans taking locomotives for a joyride, but I think they've usually been caught.

Road crews go to the other end of their territory. Commonly, in the old days, crews changed every 100 miles or so (longer for passenger trains). Nowadays, a crew can take a train 200-300 miles, and they get paid well for doing it. Keep in mind that the crew has to be familiar with all aspects of the territory over which it's operating. Also, we're limited by law to be on duty no more than twelve hours. I guess the thing you're interested in is, yes, road crews know where they are expected to end up at the end of their tour of duty...and they probably will end up there, one way or another (if they've worked twelve hours, they'll be relieved, but then probably cabbed to that point). I'm sure someone who regularly works on the road will have a more coherent and credible response to this question.

As to the GCOR, I think you can get a copy on the Web...right, Mook? This rulebook, however, is not used by the railroads in your area, though most of the rules will probably be pretty much the same.

[CShaveRR]

Well, Nora, the procedure for starting and moving a locomotive is complicated enough that not just anybody will know or remember all of the steps needed to do it. There have been instances (I can't remember the specifics) of railfans taking locomotives for a joyride, but I think they've usually been caught.

Road crews go to the other end of their territory. Commonly, in the old days, crews changed every 100 miles or so (longer for passenger trains). Nowadays, a crew can take a train 200-300 miles, and they get paid well for doing it. Keep in mind that the crew has to be familiar with all aspects of the territory over which it's operating. Also, we're limited by law to be on duty no more than twelve hours. I guess the thing you're interested in is, yes, road crews know where they are expected to end up at the end of their tour of duty...and they probably will end up there, one way or another (if they've worked twelve hours, they'll be relieved, but then probably cabbed to that point). I'm sure someone who regularly works on the road will have a more coherent and credible response to this question.

As to the GCOR, I think you can get a copy on the Web...right, Mook? This rulebook, however, is not used by the railroads in your area, though most of the rules will probably be pretty much the same.

[Nora]

A few new stupid questions:

So, if you don't need a key to start an engine, how do they prevent them from being stolen? I've occasionally seen a work train parked overnight , not in any yard, just in an out-of-the-way place. The only thing I can see that would stop it from being taken is a red thingie (maybe a derailer?) that covers one rail some distance in front of the engine. Hopefully there are few people around who'd be stupid enough to attempt to take a train, but in my experience there's always someone stupid enough to try almost any stupid thing, sooner or later. (Please note that I have no intention of taking the train or even going near it. [:0])

And why wouldn't they just keep these trains in the yard overnight anyway? It's only a few miles from where I've seen them and the yard is huge. The trains are usually pretty short.

I have also wondered how far a train crew (going out somewhere, not just working in a yard) is likely to get in a day -- do you end up just a few hours from home or several hundred miles away? I guess it probably varies but what's about the average? What's the furthest it's possible to go?

Finally, I get that the GCOR is basically a book of rules...can anyone (read: me) get one, and where, or are they closely guarded secrets? [?]

--Nora

[Nora]

A few new stupid questions:

So, if you don't need a key to start an engine, how do they prevent them from being stolen? I've occasionally seen a work train parked overnight , not in any yard, just in an out-of-the-way place. The only thing I can see that would stop it from being taken is a red thingie (maybe a derailer?) that covers one rail some distance in front of the engine. Hopefully there are few people around who'd be stupid enough to attempt to take a train, but in my experience there's always someone stupid enough to try almost any stupid thing, sooner or later. (Please note that I have no intention of taking the train or even going near it. [:0])

And why wouldn't they just keep these trains in the yard overnight anyway? It's only a few miles from where I've seen them and the yard is huge. The trains are usually pretty short.

I have also wondered how far a train crew (going out somewhere, not just working in a yard) is likely to get in a day -- do you end up just a few hours from home or several hundred miles away? I guess it probably varies but what's about the average? What's the furthest it's possible to go?

Finally, I get that the GCOR is basically a book of rules...can anyone (read: me) get one, and where, or are they closely guarded secrets? [?]

--Nora

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

there is no policy to allow employees of the same road to be able to ride. if they are not called to ride my train in service they dont ride. even officials who are just wanting to get some where if they aint from my territory they dont ride. this is NS rule. but depending on who it is i break it.

awww wabash, See you are a nice guy!

I think i've broken every single rule in the book at least 100 times, you wanna ride in the locomotive? SURE!

let's see... Children under 18 can;t ride up front in the contol cab.. oops! .... No one except a Qualified person can ride in the locomotive... oops.. (Wait My grilfriend is Qualified.. at her place of work!) ....

Ya see?

Thsoe rules... I didn't make 'em, I just break 'em!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

there is no policy to allow employees of the same road to be able to ride. if they are not called to ride my train in service they dont ride. even officials who are just wanting to get some where if they aint from my territory they dont ride. this is NS rule. but depending on who it is i break it.

awww wabash, See you are a nice guy!

I think i've broken every single rule in the book at least 100 times, you wanna ride in the locomotive? SURE!

let's see... Children under 18 can;t ride up front in the contol cab.. oops! .... No one except a Qualified person can ride in the locomotive... oops.. (Wait My grilfriend is Qualified.. at her place of work!) ....

Ya see?

Thsoe rules... I didn't make 'em, I just break 'em!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Hi,
My Dad called on his cell phone, he thinks he is in Kansas, everything is flat and in black and white.
He lost the dog in a wheat field.
He said he will stomp out the word help in big letters in the middle of a wheat field.
Whoever Dan is, can you fly over Kansas and look?.
He said there is nothing to see in all directions but wheat, he cant even find a Dairy Queen!
He also asked you to drop a pack of Pall Malls and a thermos of coffee if you see him.
If you do find him, please point him south.
Tell him I washed all his socks, and fed the snakes.
Thank You,
Elizabeth Leigh

A) does that mean no Hooters?,IF SO , you couldn't pay me to visit there!

B) tell your dad not to flatten help signs in weat, people tend to think those are messages from Aliens, and flea the scene.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Hi,
My Dad called on his cell phone, he thinks he is in Kansas, everything is flat and in black and white.
He lost the dog in a wheat field.
He said he will stomp out the word help in big letters in the middle of a wheat field.
Whoever Dan is, can you fly over Kansas and look?.
He said there is nothing to see in all directions but wheat, he cant even find a Dairy Queen!
He also asked you to drop a pack of Pall Malls and a thermos of coffee if you see him.
If you do find him, please point him south.
Tell him I washed all his socks, and fed the snakes.
Thank You,
Elizabeth Leigh

A) does that mean no Hooters?,IF SO , you couldn't pay me to visit there!

B) tell your dad not to flatten help signs in weat, people tend to think those are messages from Aliens, and flea the scene.

[wabash1]

there is no policy to allow employees of the same road to be able to ride. if they are not called to ride my train in service they dont ride. even officials who are just wanting to get some where if they aint from my territory they dont ride. this is NS rule. but depending on who it is i break it.

[wabash1]

there is no policy to allow employees of the same road to be able to ride. if they are not called to ride my train in service they dont ride. even officials who are just wanting to get some where if they aint from my territory they dont ride. this is NS rule. but depending on who it is i break it.

[dehusman]

There is no official policy that permits employees of one railroad to ride trains of another RR for other than official business.

[dehusman]

There is no official policy that permits employees of one railroad to ride trains of another RR for other than official business.

[zardoz]

Somebody please answer rrnut282!!

[zardoz]

Somebody please answer rrnut282!!

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Hi,
My Dad called on his cell phone, he thinks he is in Kansas, everything is flat and in black and white.
He lost the dog in a wheat field.
He said he will stomp out the word help in big letters in the middle of a wheat field.
Whoever Dan is, can you fly over Kansas and look?.
He said there is nothing to see in all directions but wheat, he cant even find a Dairy Queen!
He also asked you to drop a pack of Pall Malls and a thermos of coffee if you see him.
If you do find him, please point him south.
Tell him I washed all his socks, and fed the snakes.
Thank You,
Elizabeth Leigh

Okay one carton Pall Malls, stainless steel thermos O' coffee, bag of chips and some picante sauce, and some of that funky dried camping food....all packed....forget that camping food...tamales wrapped to go.....much better.....oh and a GPS and a copy of SLICs Guide to Internet Train Hopping........ Tell your dad when he see's the four engine navy plane that looks woefully out of place in Kansas....use Kenneo's mirror to signal us. Oh and tell him to stand up on a high feature........oh yeah...he's in Kansas......nevermind.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Hi,
My Dad called on his cell phone, he thinks he is in Kansas, everything is flat and in black and white.
He lost the dog in a wheat field.
He said he will stomp out the word help in big letters in the middle of a wheat field.
Whoever Dan is, can you fly over Kansas and look?.
He said there is nothing to see in all directions but wheat, he cant even find a Dairy Queen!
He also asked you to drop a pack of Pall Malls and a thermos of coffee if you see him.
If you do find him, please point him south.
Tell him I washed all his socks, and fed the snakes.
Thank You,
Elizabeth Leigh

Okay one carton Pall Malls, stainless steel thermos O' coffee, bag of chips and some picante sauce, and some of that funky dried camping food....all packed....forget that camping food...tamales wrapped to go.....much better.....oh and a GPS and a copy of SLICs Guide to Internet Train Hopping........ Tell your dad when he see's the four engine navy plane that looks woefully out of place in Kansas....use Kenneo's mirror to signal us. Oh and tell him to stand up on a high feature........oh yeah...he's in Kansas......nevermind.

[mudchicken]

ps-

(1) the eastern half of Colorado is Kansas by another name.....

(2) the terrain around the UP siding at St. Mary's, KS needs to be relocated to Colorado. It seems UP built its new siding on the side of a small mountain with US-24 at the bottom of the hill....

[mudchicken]

ps-

(1) the eastern half of Colorado is Kansas by another name.....

(2) the terrain around the UP siding at St. Mary's, KS needs to be relocated to Colorado. It seems UP built its new siding on the side of a small mountain with US-24 at the bottom of the hill....

[mudchicken]

Kansas is redundant - Rock chalk, Jayhawk!

[mudchicken]

Kansas is redundant - Rock chalk, Jayhawk!

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Poor Kansas - they are even flatter than Nebraska!

Kansas is actually flatter than a pancake:

http://www.improb.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html
http://www-scf.usc.edu/%7Ecsci571/2002Fall/HTMLExamples/AA-Image-Map.html

[:D]

--Nora

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Poor Kansas - they are even flatter than Nebraska!

Kansas is actually flatter than a pancake:

http://www.improb.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html
http://www-scf.usc.edu/%7Ecsci571/2002Fall/HTMLExamples/AA-Image-Map.html

[:D]

--Nora

[espeefoamer]

That's why Kansas has such good BBQ. Otherwise no one would ever go there!

[espeefoamer]

That's why Kansas has such good BBQ. Otherwise no one would ever go there!

[rrnut282]

The original question I was trying to answer was can one RR employee ride another RR like a UPS pilot hops a jumpseat ride on Northwest flight ? I still think the answer is no, right?

[rrnut282]

The original question I was trying to answer was can one RR employee ride another RR like a UPS pilot hops a jumpseat ride on Northwest flight ? I still think the answer is no, right?