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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Without going to any rulebooks, I know of three possible names for red-over-red-over-yellow, depending on the railroad:

Diverging approach: proceed on diverging route at prescribed speed, prepared to stop at next signal.

Slow approach: Proceed at slow speed [which then must be defined in the rules] prepared to stop at next signal.

Restricting: Proceed prepared to stop within half the range of vision, prepared to stop short of trains, engines, etc., etc.

I certainly wouldn't want to be moving faster than about 20 m.p.h. when passing that signal (and that would be 15 on eastern railroads, most likely).

I can answer that, the maximum up here is 15 MPH.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Without going to any rulebooks, I know of three possible names for red-over-red-over-yellow, depending on the railroad:

Diverging approach: proceed on diverging route at prescribed speed, prepared to stop at next signal.

Slow approach: Proceed at slow speed [which then must be defined in the rules] prepared to stop at next signal.

Restricting: Proceed prepared to stop within half the range of vision, prepared to stop short of trains, engines, etc., etc.

I certainly wouldn't want to be moving faster than about 20 m.p.h. when passing that signal (and that would be 15 on eastern railroads, most likely).

I can answer that, the maximum up here is 15 MPH.

[Anonymous]

Excellent CshaveRR, Thats exactly what I was wondering, Because I know it as a Restricting Signal when going into the yeard. But I have heard other names for it, So I was wondering what It meant elsewhere.

thanks Larry for the NORAC site.,

[Anonymous]

Excellent CshaveRR, Thats exactly what I was wondering, Because I know it as a Restricting Signal when going into the yeard. But I have heard other names for it, So I was wondering what It meant elsewhere.

thanks Larry for the NORAC site.,

[CShaveRR]

Without going to any rulebooks, I know of three possible names for red-over-red-over-yellow, depending on the railroad:

Diverging approach: proceed on diverging route at prescribed speed, prepared to stop at next signal.

Slow approach: Proceed at slow speed [which then must be defined in the rules] prepared to stop at next signal.

Restricting: Proceed prepared to stop within half the range of vision, prepared to stop short of trains, engines, etc., etc.

I certainly wouldn't want to be moving faster than about 20 m.p.h. when passing that signal (and that would be 15 on eastern railroads, most likely).

[CShaveRR]

Without going to any rulebooks, I know of three possible names for red-over-red-over-yellow, depending on the railroad:

Diverging approach: proceed on diverging route at prescribed speed, prepared to stop at next signal.

Slow approach: Proceed at slow speed [which then must be defined in the rules] prepared to stop at next signal.

Restricting: Proceed prepared to stop within half the range of vision, prepared to stop short of trains, engines, etc., etc.

I certainly wouldn't want to be moving faster than about 20 m.p.h. when passing that signal (and that would be 15 on eastern railroads, most likely).

[tree68]

Found a neat page that shows the NORAC signal indications and basic rules therefor.

http://raildata.railfan.net/java/DivRte/NORAC.htm

Although every railroad is a little different in how they use signals, the basics are pretty much the same (ie, red=some form of stop, etc). Of course, this doesn't address specific interlockings or other special situations, but it might help understand what's going on, especially for the signal novice.

[tree68]

Found a neat page that shows the NORAC signal indications and basic rules therefor.

http://raildata.railfan.net/java/DivRte/NORAC.htm

Although every railroad is a little different in how they use signals, the basics are pretty much the same (ie, red=some form of stop, etc). Of course, this doesn't address specific interlockings or other special situations, but it might help understand what's going on, especially for the signal novice.

[Anonymous]

I have a Real dummy Question, But what better place to post it hence Stupid Questions.

Here's the signal your approaching, it is a Tripple Block absolute, hence 3 displays mounted ontop of each other exactly perpendicular...

ok screw the sophisticated language, im getting myself confused... Three lights on top of each other, absoloute signal, it Displays:

(top) RED/RED/YELLOW (bottom)

According to YOU what does that mean, and what action would you take.

Now i know what this means, but for every person on this eart, there seems to be a different name for it...

[Anonymous]

I have a Real dummy Question, But what better place to post it hence Stupid Questions.

Here's the signal your approaching, it is a Tripple Block absolute, hence 3 displays mounted ontop of each other exactly perpendicular...

ok screw the sophisticated language, im getting myself confused... Three lights on top of each other, absoloute signal, it Displays:

(top) RED/RED/YELLOW (bottom)

According to YOU what does that mean, and what action would you take.

Now i know what this means, but for every person on this eart, there seems to be a different name for it...

[edblysard]

Hi Jim,
If you mean a EMD F7B unit, the hostler control were in one end, near the door, which had a porthole to see through.

On the newer B units, like the EMD SD40B, and GP60B, the controls are just inside one of the side doors.
They are a simple throttle, a independent brake and reverser.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Hi Jim,
If you mean a EMD F7B unit, the hostler control were in one end, near the door, which had a porthole to see through.

On the newer B units, like the EMD SD40B, and GP60B, the controls are just inside one of the side doors.
They are a simple throttle, a independent brake and reverser.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[dharmon]

I have seen pictures of B units that had a window placed on the end for the hostler. I can't remember where though, and it was not a common occurance from what I gather.

[dharmon]

I have seen pictures of B units that had a window placed on the end for the hostler. I can't remember where though, and it was not a common occurance from what I gather.

[dehusman]

The hostler controls were not in the end of a B unit, they were on the side near a porthole window.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The hostler controls were not in the end of a B unit, they were on the side near a porthole window.

Dave H.

[techguy57]

Thanks to northwesterner and as always to Carl for the info. I'll try the Kress Road suggestion next time I'm out that way.

Does anyone know whether UP has any new plans for the Janesville branch. Crystal Lake is getting a second METRA station so that would explain some of the extensive track work going on but it seems freght activity is up on the line as well. I know that the line services the Janesville auto plant but the increase has been in manifest loads as well as auto parts and carriers. Maybe its just a general rise in freight traffic but if anyone has any ideas please share them.
Hope everyone is having a good day.

Mike

[techguy57]

Thanks to northwesterner and as always to Carl for the info. I'll try the Kress Road suggestion next time I'm out that way.

Does anyone know whether UP has any new plans for the Janesville branch. Crystal Lake is getting a second METRA station so that would explain some of the extensive track work going on but it seems freght activity is up on the line as well. I know that the line services the Janesville auto plant but the increase has been in manifest loads as well as auto parts and carriers. Maybe its just a general rise in freight traffic but if anyone has any ideas please share them.
Hope everyone is having a good day.

Mike

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Weiner was pretty specific with his definitions.
An articulated locomotive was one in which both of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line from the boiler. This includes Garratts, Shays, and a variety of other types.
A semi-articulated locomotive was one in which one of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line with the boiler but the other driving wheel frame could not. This includes Mallets and most North American simple articulateds.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Weiner was pretty specific with his definitions.
An articulated locomotive was one in which both of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line from the boiler. This includes Garratts, Shays, and a variety of other types.
A semi-articulated locomotive was one in which one of the driving wheel frames could swivel out of line with the boiler but the other driving wheel frame could not. This includes Mallets and most North American simple articulateds.

[CShaveRR]

Techguy:

Really, you've hit on just about all of the places you can watch Proviso without trespassing. Of those, I'd suggest the Mannheim bridge, looking westward. Bring binoculars. (But be prepared to do a little explaining if somebody turns you in to the local police...I doubt that the railroad will be too upset).

At Berkeley, you're basically seeing the trains departing for the west, plus some intermodal switching at Global 2 (and most of the interesting part of that is often obscured, to the east).

If you and your girlfriend feel like taking a trip, try the Kress Road overpass west of West Chicago, and look east at the yard. Most of the yard action is pretty distant, but you're sure to see something.

[CShaveRR]

Techguy:

Really, you've hit on just about all of the places you can watch Proviso without trespassing. Of those, I'd suggest the Mannheim bridge, looking westward. Bring binoculars. (But be prepared to do a little explaining if somebody turns you in to the local police...I doubt that the railroad will be too upset).

At Berkeley, you're basically seeing the trains departing for the west, plus some intermodal switching at Global 2 (and most of the interesting part of that is often obscured, to the east).

If you and your girlfriend feel like taking a trip, try the Kress Road overpass west of West Chicago, and look east at the yard. Most of the yard action is pretty distant, but you're sure to see something.

[Anonymous]

Now for the next [?]


I was asked this morning in an aol messenger chat about the controls on B units. I have read that B units did have controls for the hostler. Were the controls standard and every B unit or an option? Now let me ask a little more about this subject. Were the controls placed at both the front and rear of the B unit or just at one end? If so, which end? Does anyone have a picture of these controls? If so it would be interesting to see them.

Thanks all.

[Anonymous]

Now for the next [?]


I was asked this morning in an aol messenger chat about the controls on B units. I have read that B units did have controls for the hostler. Were the controls standard and every B unit or an option? Now let me ask a little more about this subject. Were the controls placed at both the front and rear of the B unit or just at one end? If so, which end? Does anyone have a picture of these controls? If so it would be interesting to see them.

Thanks all.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

OK, now to make it even more complicated is this. According to the Whyte Classification System all the following are listed as articulated:

0-6-6-0
0-8-8-0
2-6-6-0
2-6-6-2
2-6-6-4
2-8-8-0
2-8-8-2
2-10-10-2 (wow musta been a mile long)

Now we are also familar with the Big Boy and the Challenger. Both are articulated, but in the Whyle Classification System are "Typed" as Big Boy and Challenger


As Kev would say, "Clear as Mud." [:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

OK, now to make it even more complicated is this. According to the Whyte Classification System all the following are listed as articulated:

0-6-6-0
0-8-8-0
2-6-6-0
2-6-6-2
2-6-6-4
2-8-8-0
2-8-8-2
2-10-10-2 (wow musta been a mile long)

Now we are also familar with the Big Boy and the Challenger. Both are articulated, but in the Whyle Classification System are "Typed" as Big Boy and Challenger


As Kev would say, "Clear as Mud." [:D]

[dehusman]

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The easiest explanation is an articulated engine is articulated and a non-articulated engine is not. While it sounds like a wise guy answer, its not, its that simple.

Articulated : having parts connected by joints; jointed (Webster's New World Dictionary)

If the frame of the engine is jointed, its articulated. If it does not, then its not articulated. A USRA 2-8-8-2 has a jointed frame. Its articulated. A Pennsy 4-4-4-4 has a rigid frame. Its not articulated.

Dave H.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Probably the best resource regarding articulated locomotives is Lionel Wiener's "Articulated Locomotives". It covers every type of articulated locomotive you ever imagined and more than a few others. Kalmbach issued a reprint of this book some years ago and it may still be available.

PRR's duplexes (T1, S1, Q1 & Q2) were all rigid-frame duplex-drives and were not articulated. B&O also had a duplex-drive 4-4-4-4.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Probably the best resource regarding articulated locomotives is Lionel Wiener's "Articulated Locomotives". It covers every type of articulated locomotive you ever imagined and more than a few others. Kalmbach issued a reprint of this book some years ago and it may still be available.

PRR's duplexes (T1, S1, Q1 & Q2) were all rigid-frame duplex-drives and were not articulated. B&O also had a duplex-drive 4-4-4-4.