Bad train pictures

[wabash1]

In every picture i have seen and every movie and even the trains i have seen in person all have one thing in comon a headlight. on modern engines i know how they get there power, but on a steam engine there is fire and water to produce power for moving a train how is the electric provided to power headlights?

[wabash1]

In every picture i have seen and every movie and even the trains i have seen in person all have one thing in comon a headlight. on modern engines i know how they get there power, but on a steam engine there is fire and water to produce power for moving a train how is the electric provided to power headlights?

[edblysard]

Same reason I switch with two 1500 hp MK1500Ds, instead of one 3000 hp SD40.
Some times you dont needs or want that much HP.
If your a local switching job, trying to finagle cars into and out of some industires requires not so much hp as ability to stop quick , and be manuverable.
And add to that the fact that, when the U boats were first brough out, class 1 roads still did a lot of local switching.
Now days, its the long haul trains they worry about, they leave the short locals to railroads like mine.

Put it this way,
you can go duck hunting with a AK47,
but why would you want to?
Ed

[edblysard]

Same reason I switch with two 1500 hp MK1500Ds, instead of one 3000 hp SD40.
Some times you dont needs or want that much HP.
If your a local switching job, trying to finagle cars into and out of some industires requires not so much hp as ability to stop quick , and be manuverable.
And add to that the fact that, when the U boats were first brough out, class 1 roads still did a lot of local switching.
Now days, its the long haul trains they worry about, they leave the short locals to railroads like mine.

Put it this way,
you can go duck hunting with a AK47,
but why would you want to?
Ed

[locomutt]

If I'm not too badly misaken,some of the lower H.P. units
sortof appeared around the time of the "FUEL CRISIS".
I think I remember hearing where the roads were shutting
the units down instead of allowing them to idle overnight.

Really don't know if this has any truth to it or not.

[locomutt]

If I'm not too badly misaken,some of the lower H.P. units
sortof appeared around the time of the "FUEL CRISIS".
I think I remember hearing where the roads were shutting
the units down instead of allowing them to idle overnight.

Really don't know if this has any truth to it or not.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

Many also have an HBD - hot box detector. In the days of the caboose, they would often have a light that would flash, alerting the rear-end crew there was a problem. They report the number of axles/cars forward of the end of the train as where the problem is.

Nowadays, they broadcast a report on the radio: "CSX Syracuse, New York, Track 1, no defects, axle count 408, train speed 45, over." The head end crew acknowledges the report on the radio.

It's good to know/find out where the DED/HBD's are if you are trainwatching with a scanner. They can help alert you to traffic, at least from one direction.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

Many also have an HBD - hot box detector. In the days of the caboose, they would often have a light that would flash, alerting the rear-end crew there was a problem. They report the number of axles/cars forward of the end of the train as where the problem is.

Nowadays, they broadcast a report on the radio: "CSX Syracuse, New York, Track 1, no defects, axle count 408, train speed 45, over." The head end crew acknowledges the report on the radio.

It's good to know/find out where the DED/HBD's are if you are trainwatching with a scanner. They can help alert you to traffic, at least from one direction.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

By the time the U23B was introduced, the U25B had been out of production for a while. The design of the U23B/C probably had more in common with the U30B/C which was already in production. Re-introduction of an older design would have been impractical from a production standpoint.

The U18B was an attempt to compete with the GP15 line. SCL, MEC and P&W were the only takers on the U18B in the United States.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

By the time the U23B was introduced, the U25B had been out of production for a while. The design of the U23B/C probably had more in common with the U30B/C which was already in production. Re-introduction of an older design would have been impractical from a production standpoint.

The U18B was an attempt to compete with the GP15 line. SCL, MEC and P&W were the only takers on the U18B in the United States.

[CShaveRR]

The U23B got its 2250 horsepower from twelve cylinders instead of the 16 used on the U25B, U28B, U30C, etc. It was definitely for the folks who thought 3000 was too much horsepower.

They also made an eight-cylinder engine, a U18B. Not too many takers on that, though.

[CShaveRR]

The U23B got its 2250 horsepower from twelve cylinders instead of the 16 used on the U25B, U28B, U30C, etc. It was definitely for the folks who thought 3000 was too much horsepower.

They also made an eight-cylinder engine, a U18B. Not too many takers on that, though.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The U23b was intended for low horsepower applications (locals). GE was making the U33, U36 and other high horsepower models. Same reason EMD was making GP38's the same time it was making SD45's, and SD50's.

Dave H.

But why not stick with the U25B. The U23B had 2250 horsepower so that would be 250 less than the U25B. It still doesn't make sense to me to have a new model with less horsepower even if it was just 250 horsepower less. So 250 horsepower is the defining line between low horsepower and high horsepower. I am not seeing something here. It still just doesn't make sense.

Was there a size difference between the two? If the U23B was smaller in length then I could see "something" there. But if the two were the same size with just a difference in the powerplant then once again, it wouldn't make sense to me. Not for just 250 horsepower.

Call me hard-headed if you must, but I still don't see it. Not for 250 horsepower.

Wabash, L. C., and you other engineers beat me with a piece of rail and help me see the light. lol. Tell me, can you equate 250 horsepower into pulling 1 car, or 5 cars? Why is 2500 considered high horsepower when it is only 250 horsepower more than 2250 horsepower? Why not say high horsepower begins at 3000 horsepower, at least that would be 750 more horsepower? Who decided all this anyway? I want to have a talk with them. I will straighten them out. lol ok, up outta the floor and stop laughing.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The U23b was intended for low horsepower applications (locals). GE was making the U33, U36 and other high horsepower models. Same reason EMD was making GP38's the same time it was making SD45's, and SD50's.

Dave H.

But why not stick with the U25B. The U23B had 2250 horsepower so that would be 250 less than the U25B. It still doesn't make sense to me to have a new model with less horsepower even if it was just 250 horsepower less. So 250 horsepower is the defining line between low horsepower and high horsepower. I am not seeing something here. It still just doesn't make sense.

Was there a size difference between the two? If the U23B was smaller in length then I could see "something" there. But if the two were the same size with just a difference in the powerplant then once again, it wouldn't make sense to me. Not for just 250 horsepower.

Call me hard-headed if you must, but I still don't see it. Not for 250 horsepower.

Wabash, L. C., and you other engineers beat me with a piece of rail and help me see the light. lol. Tell me, can you equate 250 horsepower into pulling 1 car, or 5 cars? Why is 2500 considered high horsepower when it is only 250 horsepower more than 2250 horsepower? Why not say high horsepower begins at 3000 horsepower, at least that would be 750 more horsepower? Who decided all this anyway? I want to have a talk with them. I will straighten them out. lol ok, up outta the floor and stop laughing.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

whew...I thought more victims of Texas public schools were out making signs again..I thought it was "dead"

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

whew...I thought more victims of Texas public schools were out making signs again..I thought it was "dead"

[dehusman]

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

DED probably means "dragging equipment detector". If alerts the crew something is dragging off the train.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The U23b was intended for low horsepower applications (locals). GE was making the U33, U36 and other high horsepower models. Same reason EMD was making GP38's the same time it was making SD45's, and SD50's.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The U23b was intended for low horsepower applications (locals). GE was making the U33, U36 and other high horsepower models. Same reason EMD was making GP38's the same time it was making SD45's, and SD50's.

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

I've got one how do they use ABS?

[Anonymous]

I've got one how do they use ABS?

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

heres an idiot Question, did the E and F series locomotives have a different Wheel configuration?

I've never seen an E in my life!

An F unit has a B-B wheel arrangement,while an E unit has a A-1-A,A-1-A wheel arrangement. Now for my own stupid question,I have seen signs along the tracks that read "DED*".What does this mean?

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

heres an idiot Question, did the E and F series locomotives have a different Wheel configuration?

I've never seen an E in my life!

An F unit has a B-B wheel arrangement,while an E unit has a A-1-A,A-1-A wheel arrangement. Now for my own stupid question,I have seen signs along the tracks that read "DED*".What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

heres an idiot Question, did the E and F series locomotives have a different Wheel configuration?

I've never seen an E in my life!

[Anonymous]

heres an idiot Question, did the E and F series locomotives have a different Wheel configuration?

I've never seen an E in my life!

[Anonymous]

The U25B started production in 1959 and is credited as starting the high horsepower war. I am not entirely satisfied with that credit, but I will let it stand for now. The U25B had 2500 horsepower in a BB wheel arrangement and used the FDL-16 engine. There were 476 units made from 1959 to 1966.

The U23B started production in 1968 with 465 units being made. The U23B was also a BB wheel arrangement and used the FDL-12 engine. Production of this unit continued until 1977. However, the U23B had only 2250 horsepower.

Now here is the question. WHY did GE drop down the horsepower in a new model after susposedly starting the high horsepower war? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I understand that their were limits to DC technology and anything over about 2800 horsepower would have to be AC. Dropping down the horsepower and loosing 250 horsepower just doesn't seem like a logical thing to do.

Can anyone shed a little light on this subject?

[Anonymous]

The U25B started production in 1959 and is credited as starting the high horsepower war. I am not entirely satisfied with that credit, but I will let it stand for now. The U25B had 2500 horsepower in a BB wheel arrangement and used the FDL-16 engine. There were 476 units made from 1959 to 1966.

The U23B started production in 1968 with 465 units being made. The U23B was also a BB wheel arrangement and used the FDL-12 engine. Production of this unit continued until 1977. However, the U23B had only 2250 horsepower.

Now here is the question. WHY did GE drop down the horsepower in a new model after susposedly starting the high horsepower war? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I understand that their were limits to DC technology and anything over about 2800 horsepower would have to be AC. Dropping down the horsepower and loosing 250 horsepower just doesn't seem like a logical thing to do.

Can anyone shed a little light on this subject?

[wabash1]

there are so many variables to this that it difficult to say. there is times that notch 5 is not enough and notch 6 is to much. but the next train 5 does the trick never touch it again. wind is a big factor depending on type of train, auto racks are big wind catchers followed by stack trains. then again some trains roll good no matter what and others you haft to pull every where. lets just say that the current set up is fine for me as i rather be doing something keeps the alerter from going off as much.

[wabash1]

there are so many variables to this that it difficult to say. there is times that notch 5 is not enough and notch 6 is to much. but the next train 5 does the trick never touch it again. wind is a big factor depending on type of train, auto racks are big wind catchers followed by stack trains. then again some trains roll good no matter what and others you haft to pull every where. lets just say that the current set up is fine for me as i rather be doing something keeps the alerter from going off as much.