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[dehusman]

Abandonement depends on the laws of the state and how the rarilroad "abandons" it. They may abandon operation, but retain the right of way.
They may abandon the right of way and sell it.
They may abandon the operation and the land reverts to the original owners.
Some right of way is leased or granted for purposes of operating a railroad. When the railroad ceases to operate on the land the lease or grant is revoked.
Just depends on where and how the land is conveyed.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

Abandonement depends on the laws of the state and how the rarilroad "abandons" it. They may abandon operation, but retain the right of way.
They may abandon the right of way and sell it.
They may abandon the operation and the land reverts to the original owners.
Some right of way is leased or granted for purposes of operating a railroad. When the railroad ceases to operate on the land the lease or grant is revoked.
Just depends on where and how the land is conveyed.

Dave H.

[Mikeygaw]

When a railroad abandons a line, does it retain the ownership of the line, or does the line go to the government?
if the railroad wanted to use the line after abandoning it, how would the railroad get it back?
If another railroad wanted to purchase an abandoned line, how would it do so?

and by abandoning the line, what exactly does the railroad save? i'd guess maintence, but what else?

[Mikeygaw]

When a railroad abandons a line, does it retain the ownership of the line, or does the line go to the government?
if the railroad wanted to use the line after abandoning it, how would the railroad get it back?
If another railroad wanted to purchase an abandoned line, how would it do so?

and by abandoning the line, what exactly does the railroad save? i'd guess maintence, but what else?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

What amazes me, is that some forums seem to click and go on for ever. Like this one by Nora and more than that, has some worth while postings. I like it.

[cherokee woman]

Thank you Oliver! I think it is a little clearer in the brain now.

Thanks also for liking my forum name. I picked cherokee woman because I am 1/16 cherokee from my maternal grandmother. May not be a lot of cherokee in me, but I do have, on ocassion, quite an Indian temper!

The first time my mother met Walt (locomutt), she told him to NEVER make me mad: I go on a CLEANING streak, and NOTHING that is JUNK is left. So if I ever get the energy to REALLY clean the house exceptionally good, Walt is asking what he did to make me mad! BESIDES, it sounded better to me than locomutts wife, since you can't put in the apostrophe between the last t and the s.

[cherokee woman]

Thank you Oliver! I think it is a little clearer in the brain now.

Thanks also for liking my forum name. I picked cherokee woman because I am 1/16 cherokee from my maternal grandmother. May not be a lot of cherokee in me, but I do have, on ocassion, quite an Indian temper!

The first time my mother met Walt (locomutt), she told him to NEVER make me mad: I go on a CLEANING streak, and NOTHING that is JUNK is left. So if I ever get the energy to REALLY clean the house exceptionally good, Walt is asking what he did to make me mad! BESIDES, it sounded better to me than locomutts wife, since you can't put in the apostrophe between the last t and the s.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

What does "articulated" mean in conjunction with trains? (Simple everyday English will suffice for answers, please)?

Hello, Cherokee Woman! (I envy you, your "forum name" sounds so great!)

Besides articulated steam locomotives, there are articulated freight and passenger cars. Those cars are permanently coupled and they share the same truck between them, usually a 2-axle (4-wheel) truck, instead of each having the usual 2 trucks, so they are not easily separated. The double-stack container "well" cars are articulated if I'm not mistaken, each actually consisting of 4-5 cars with a single 4-wheel truck in between them, while the front and the rear end each have their own full 4-wheel truck so they can be coupled with other cars.
Spani***algo passenger trains are also articulated (also operating in the state of Washington), and they are so lightweight that they only have one axle (2 wheels) between their cars. French TGVs and many other trains also have articulated cars, while the power units are separate, or at least not articulated to the rest of the train.

I hope I made some sense here. [:I]
Best regards,
Oliver.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

What does "articulated" mean in conjunction with trains? (Simple everyday English will suffice for answers, please)?

Hello, Cherokee Woman! (I envy you, your "forum name" sounds so great!)

Besides articulated steam locomotives, there are articulated freight and passenger cars. Those cars are permanently coupled and they share the same truck between them, usually a 2-axle (4-wheel) truck, instead of each having the usual 2 trucks, so they are not easily separated. The double-stack container "well" cars are articulated if I'm not mistaken, each actually consisting of 4-5 cars with a single 4-wheel truck in between them, while the front and the rear end each have their own full 4-wheel truck so they can be coupled with other cars.
Spani***algo passenger trains are also articulated (also operating in the state of Washington), and they are so lightweight that they only have one axle (2 wheels) between their cars. French TGVs and many other trains also have articulated cars, while the power units are separate, or at least not articulated to the rest of the train.

I hope I made some sense here. [:I]
Best regards,
Oliver.

[dehusman]

The rebuilds have more to do with the insides than the outsides. An SD45 that is now listed as an SD40-2 means that the diesel engine has been completely replaced (a V16 instead of a V20) and the electrical system has been upgraded to dash 2 specs. The exterior might not look any different at all.

The Railroads really don't care what it looks like on the outside, they only care about how it operates. Generally you don't rebuild unless it improves the operate, the power or the reliability. Not to say that some rebuilds are less than satisfactory.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The rebuilds have more to do with the insides than the outsides. An SD45 that is now listed as an SD40-2 means that the diesel engine has been completely replaced (a V16 instead of a V20) and the electrical system has been upgraded to dash 2 specs. The exterior might not look any different at all.

The Railroads really don't care what it looks like on the outside, they only care about how it operates. Generally you don't rebuild unless it improves the operate, the power or the reliability. Not to say that some rebuilds are less than satisfactory.

Dave H.

[Mikeygaw]

ok, new question to resurect the thread... i've seen engines refered to as rebuilt from one engine to another engine (for example CSX #2422 and 2423 are listed as SD-40-2's rebuilt from SD-45-2's (http://www.online-isp.com/~rcraig/CSX.HTML))

Well, how do the rebuilt locomotives compare to locomotives that were originally built to the specifications of the new type? Are they better? worse? about the same?

How much of the locomotive has to be rebuilt to change the name? Is the locomotive completely rebuilt, or just enough that the engine more closely resembles the engine type of it's new name than the type it was originally built as?

Are flaws in the type the locomotive is being turned into included into the rebuilt engine, or are they corrected?

And finally, if the locomotive's original type has a benefit over the locomotive's new type, are the benefits left in, or are they brought down to the level of the new type?

[Mikeygaw]

ok, new question to resurect the thread... i've seen engines refered to as rebuilt from one engine to another engine (for example CSX #2422 and 2423 are listed as SD-40-2's rebuilt from SD-45-2's (http://www.online-isp.com/~rcraig/CSX.HTML))

Well, how do the rebuilt locomotives compare to locomotives that were originally built to the specifications of the new type? Are they better? worse? about the same?

How much of the locomotive has to be rebuilt to change the name? Is the locomotive completely rebuilt, or just enough that the engine more closely resembles the engine type of it's new name than the type it was originally built as?

Are flaws in the type the locomotive is being turned into included into the rebuilt engine, or are they corrected?

And finally, if the locomotive's original type has a benefit over the locomotive's new type, are the benefits left in, or are they brought down to the level of the new type?

[Anonymous]

Very True...

[Anonymous]

Very True...

[JoeKoh]

mikey they could be marking the section of rail they want to replace?
just a guess
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

mikey they could be marking the section of rail they want to replace?
just a guess
stay safe
joe

[Mikeygaw]

ok, now back to my question... the line is overhead electricfied... and how about the rails? there are two sections of rails set on the side, and two markers

[Mikeygaw]

ok, now back to my question... the line is overhead electricfied... and how about the rails? there are two sections of rails set on the side, and two markers

[Mikeygaw]

ok, i've gathered up some of the info from when I asked that question a little while back (it's scattered throughout pages 34-36)

Articulated steamers front engine is not rigidly fixed to the locomotive, its rear end is hinged approximately between the rear engine's cylinders, so it can swing under the boiler in order to enable the locomotive to negotiate curves etc.

Some examples are like Mookie said the Big Boys, Challangers, Mallets, 2-6-6-2, USRA 2-8-8-2, among others

Non-articulated engines don't have those hinges. An example is the T1 4-4-4-4's

[Mikeygaw]

ok, i've gathered up some of the info from when I asked that question a little while back (it's scattered throughout pages 34-36)

Articulated steamers front engine is not rigidly fixed to the locomotive, its rear end is hinged approximately between the rear engine's cylinders, so it can swing under the boiler in order to enable the locomotive to negotiate curves etc.

Some examples are like Mookie said the Big Boys, Challangers, Mallets, 2-6-6-2, USRA 2-8-8-2, among others

Non-articulated engines don't have those hinges. An example is the T1 4-4-4-4's

[Mookie]

I know this one, but since I am leaving - I will leave it lay for someone else to pick up!

Big Boys - my favorite - were articulated!!!!!! Very ingenius invention!

Mookie

[Mookie]

I know this one, but since I am leaving - I will leave it lay for someone else to pick up!

Big Boys - my favorite - were articulated!!!!!! Very ingenius invention!

Mookie

[cherokee woman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Has everyone run out of questions? [?]

Or just forgot about this thread? [?]

OK, who has the next question? [?]

Jim, you want a stupid question? I've got one:

What does "articulated" mean in conjunction with trains? (Simple everyday English will suffice for answers, please)?

[cherokee woman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Has everyone run out of questions? [?]

Or just forgot about this thread? [?]

OK, who has the next question? [?]

Jim, you want a stupid question? I've got one:

What does "articulated" mean in conjunction with trains? (Simple everyday English will suffice for answers, please)?

[Anonymous]

But 62, 000 V, it would be really dangerous to put that much through rails, usually thats reserved for sum,bways or above power lines.

Matter of fact, to put 62KV through Rails, the electrcity would Arc into the ground, So that would fail. Any eletricity that is over 601 Volts, must be a certain Height off the ground otherwise it will arc... and ground itself out..

[Anonymous]

But 62, 000 V, it would be really dangerous to put that much through rails, usually thats reserved for sum,bways or above power lines.

Matter of fact, to put 62KV through Rails, the electrcity would Arc into the ground, So that would fail. Any eletricity that is over 601 Volts, must be a certain Height off the ground otherwise it will arc... and ground itself out..

[rrnut282]

Not if it was 62KV

[rrnut282]

Not if it was 62KV