Bad train pictures

[dehusman]

The high hoods were there because it was cheaper to make on height hood. Since on the early units it was common to make the long hood end the front, lowering the short hood wouldn't gain much since all you would be looking at is the end of teh first car. 8-)

The equipment in a low short hood was basically the same as in a high short hood.

A road slug would not have a functional control stand in the cab. By definition a slug doesn't have an engine in it, so there would be nothing to control. About the most you'd have is an air guage or a volt and ampmeter to check if the electrical side was working and an electrial panel with switches/breakers to cut out or turn off the various electrial components.

If you are referring to a "B" unit, that would have a minimally functional control stand, which could range from a spartan regular control stand to "hostler" controls that only move the engines.

Virtually all road slugs are rebuilds. B units can come from the factory.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The high hoods were there because it was cheaper to make on height hood. Since on the early units it was common to make the long hood end the front, lowering the short hood wouldn't gain much since all you would be looking at is the end of teh first car. 8-)

The equipment in a low short hood was basically the same as in a high short hood.

A road slug would not have a functional control stand in the cab. By definition a slug doesn't have an engine in it, so there would be nothing to control. About the most you'd have is an air guage or a volt and ampmeter to check if the electrical side was working and an electrial panel with switches/breakers to cut out or turn off the various electrial components.

If you are referring to a "B" unit, that would have a minimally functional control stand, which could range from a spartan regular control stand to "hostler" controls that only move the engines.

Virtually all road slugs are rebuilds. B units can come from the factory.

Dave H.

[CShaveRR]

Sorry, Dave, but the CSX slugs did (and do!) have functioning control stands, lack of prime mover notwithstanding. They couldn't move without being attached to a mother unit, but they were, at least when they were rebuilt, the cab of choice to be in the lead, for obvious reasons--no engine noise! A control stand in a slug would be capable of functioning, just as does the control stand in the cab car of a commuter train.

[CShaveRR]

Sorry, Dave, but the CSX slugs did (and do!) have functioning control stands, lack of prime mover notwithstanding. They couldn't move without being attached to a mother unit, but they were, at least when they were rebuilt, the cab of choice to be in the lead, for obvious reasons--no engine noise! A control stand in a slug would be capable of functioning, just as does the control stand in the cab car of a commuter train.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

Actually, the toilet was in the short hood of the passenger units, too. There wasn't much room in a short nose with a steam boiler unit and a toilet...and it was VERY unpleasant when the boiler was running!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

Actually, the toilet was in the short hood of the passenger units, too. There wasn't much room in a short nose with a steam boiler unit and a toilet...and it was VERY unpleasant when the boiler was running!

[dehusman]

CShaveRRf:

About 10 sec after you posted I realized that I had overlooked the slugs you were talking about. the ones I've seen have been sandwiched between two road units.

Unfortunately the forum didn't post my acknowledgement.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

CShaveRRf:

About 10 sec after you posted I realized that I had overlooked the slugs you were talking about. the ones I've seen have been sandwiched between two road units.

Unfortunately the forum didn't post my acknowledgement.

Dave H.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

BNSF has a series of hump slugs that are also equipped with control cabs. Most of them have been rebuilt from SD9's and they resemble SW1500's with a very long hood and C-C trucks.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

BNSF has a series of hump slugs that are also equipped with control cabs. Most of them have been rebuilt from SD9's and they resemble SW1500's with a very long hood and C-C trucks.

[Mookie]

BB Brain here - tell me - again - what it would be if there was a lead motor and a cabless unit behind it. (I think the lead unit was a Dash 9! (BNSF)

Mookie

[Mookie]

BB Brain here - tell me - again - what it would be if there was a lead motor and a cabless unit behind it. (I think the lead unit was a Dash 9! (BNSF)

Mookie

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

On BNSF, it would probably be a GP60B. BNSF has 23 GP60B's, about 10 SD45-2B's, and 2 or 3 SD40-2B's. The SD45-2B's and SD40-2B's had their cabs removed by the railroad shops and the GP60B's were factory-built without cabs. BNSF does not have any road slugs.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

On BNSF, it would probably be a GP60B. BNSF has 23 GP60B's, about 10 SD45-2B's, and 2 or 3 SD40-2B's. The SD45-2B's and SD40-2B's had their cabs removed by the railroad shops and the GP60B's were factory-built without cabs. BNSF does not have any road slugs.

[Mookie]

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Mook

[Mookie]

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Mook

[JoeKoh]

mookie
it just depends on whats available.csx will take anything it can get.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

mookie
it just depends on whats available.csx will take anything it can get.
stay safe
joe

[CShaveRR]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Because cabs, with their controls, computers, windows, and seats, are expensive. Building locomotives without them ought to significantly reduce their cost.

However, the tradeoff is in flexibility...you can't have those things leading a train, and having too many of them around might make the horsepower-per-ton figure unfavorable to the bean-counters.

[CShaveRR]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Because cabs, with their controls, computers, windows, and seats, are expensive. Building locomotives without them ought to significantly reduce their cost.

However, the tradeoff is in flexibility...you can't have those things leading a train, and having too many of them around might make the horsepower-per-ton figure unfavorable to the bean-counters.

[Mookie]

ahhh...the Mookie sees!

[Mookie]

ahhh...the Mookie sees!

[mudchicken]

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

[mudchicken]

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

MISTER Feathers, Sir..... I will look for it - we usually see the SW10 and SW15 out there. The one I saw was coming in from the south - going through the yards and headed west. Don't know if it stopped in the yards and stayed or went on west. Don't know from whence it came either! I really wi***hey would drop me notes, letting me in on some of this!

Anyway - I haven't seen anything like that except from a great distance ('O' street) and buried in the yards! They need to run this stuff out and let me look it over!

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

MISTER Feathers, Sir..... I will look for it - we usually see the SW10 and SW15 out there. The one I saw was coming in from the south - going through the yards and headed west. Don't know if it stopped in the yards and stayed or went on west. Don't know from whence it came either! I really wi***hey would drop me notes, letting me in on some of this!

Anyway - I haven't seen anything like that except from a great distance ('O' street) and buried in the yards! They need to run this stuff out and let me look it over!

Mookie

[mudchicken]

We'll put in a good word for ya....won't help much, but......

[mudchicken]

We'll put in a good word for ya....won't help much, but......

[Anonymous]

I don't have any reference book dedicated solely to the Santa Fe. So I don't have an answer to my own question. Therefore, some of you big Santa Fe fans will have to jump in and answer this one. The E units were the tried and accepted passenger units of their time while the F units were the standard for freight trains. So why did Santa Fe use passenger-geared F units for the Super Chief and other passenger trains? The only answer I can think of would be the additional rail wear from the third axle. F units were susposed to be rough riding units where as the E units were reported to give a smooth ride. How did Santa Fe choose F over E units?

[Anonymous]

I don't have any reference book dedicated solely to the Santa Fe. So I don't have an answer to my own question. Therefore, some of you big Santa Fe fans will have to jump in and answer this one. The E units were the tried and accepted passenger units of their time while the F units were the standard for freight trains. So why did Santa Fe use passenger-geared F units for the Super Chief and other passenger trains? The only answer I can think of would be the additional rail wear from the third axle. F units were susposed to be rough riding units where as the E units were reported to give a smooth ride. How did Santa Fe choose F over E units?