Bad train pictures

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: You must have found my post from way back in this thread. Man that seems ages ago now. As I said in one of my posts I have read stories about the NYC [:)] scooping water from their track pans while on the fly. When the tender became full the water would flo through a pipe to the back of the tender and come out there. People who would be back there were given an involuntary bath. During the winter the water was heated but the bet the temperature wasn't all that hot. Probally just above freezing by a little and that was it, that is my guess. The thought of that cold water in the cold winter send shivers down my spine. (Oh, never mind, that was just Duchess cold nose. [:o)] )

[?] If the water was just above freezing how would this effect the steam? Would the loco slow because of the cold water? Also can the water freeze in the tender?

Tom

Hey my first star! [:)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: You must have found my post from way back in this thread. Man that seems ages ago now. As I said in one of my posts I have read stories about the NYC [:)] scooping water from their track pans while on the fly. When the tender became full the water would flo through a pipe to the back of the tender and come out there. People who would be back there were given an involuntary bath. During the winter the water was heated but the bet the temperature wasn't all that hot. Probally just above freezing by a little and that was it, that is my guess. The thought of that cold water in the cold winter send shivers down my spine. (Oh, never mind, that was just Duchess cold nose. [:o)] )

[?] If the water was just above freezing how would this effect the steam? Would the loco slow because of the cold water? Also can the water freeze in the tender?

Tom

Hey my first star! [:)]

[Modelcar]

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

[Modelcar]

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

I once read that hot water could not be picked up by the injectors for filling the boiler. This explains the economic value of feedwater heaters but I could never understand why injectors couldn't pick up hot water.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

I once read that hot water could not be picked up by the injectors for filling the boiler. This explains the economic value of feedwater heaters but I could never understand why injectors couldn't pick up hot water.

[Nora]

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

[Nora]

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

[coalminer3]

IIRC, and this may be a legend, it was the same yellow used on Armour refrigerator cars.

work safe

[coalminer3]

IIRC, and this may be a legend, it was the same yellow used on Armour refrigerator cars.

work safe

[WDGF]

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

[WDGF]

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Any officials I would have known, from out Proviso way? You only did what I may have felt like doing often enough...

I really hesitate to mention names, in case the recipient of my enthusiasm is still working there. If I contact any of my buddies from those days, I'll ask if the stupid, ignorant pile of slug mucous is still there.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Any officials I would have known, from out Proviso way? You only did what I may have felt like doing often enough...

I really hesitate to mention names, in case the recipient of my enthusiasm is still working there. If I contact any of my buddies from those days, I'll ask if the stupid, ignorant pile of slug mucous is still there.

[zardoz]

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

[zardoz]

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

By the turn of the century every loco had a preheater to heat the water up to a higher temp. that was to prevent forcing cold water into the boiler and getting a cooresponding drop in steam pressure, the heated water at near the same boiler temp would have no effect on the steam pressure as it entered. As for the tenders, it takes A LONG TIME to freeze a tank of water the size of a tender, coupled with the splashing and shlooshing of the water in a moving car made freezing a lesser concern, but I have heard that some of the roads in extremly cold climates routed a steam pipe through the tender and along the water feed pipes to keep the water from freezing.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

By the turn of the century every loco had a preheater to heat the water up to a higher temp. that was to prevent forcing cold water into the boiler and getting a cooresponding drop in steam pressure, the heated water at near the same boiler temp would have no effect on the steam pressure as it entered. As for the tenders, it takes A LONG TIME to freeze a tank of water the size of a tender, coupled with the splashing and shlooshing of the water in a moving car made freezing a lesser concern, but I have heard that some of the roads in extremly cold climates routed a steam pipe through the tender and along the water feed pipes to keep the water from freezing.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

I rather like that question! We need some more like that - simple and straight to the point! Plus it wasn't too technical - my kinda question!

Mook

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

I rather like that question! We need some more like that - simple and straight to the point! Plus it wasn't too technical - my kinda question!

Mook

[WDGF]

Jim;

Thanks for the info. I always wondered if the toilet was up front. It sounds a bit like a storage shed.

[WDGF]

Jim;

Thanks for the info. I always wondered if the toilet was up front. It sounds a bit like a storage shed.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by WDGF

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

WDGF [:)]

Welcome to the forums. [:)]

I don't have time right now but tomorrow (if noone else has answered these questions) I will add some comments for you.

I have some more info on the tender and their heating the water that I want to also include. Untill then, everyone be careful and stay safe.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by WDGF

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

WDGF [:)]

Welcome to the forums. [:)]

I don't have time right now but tomorrow (if noone else has answered these questions) I will add some comments for you.

I have some more info on the tender and their heating the water that I want to also include. Untill then, everyone be careful and stay safe.

[WDGF]

Going back to the slugs for a moment, I found a shot of a six-axle CSX slug: <http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38043>

I see there are also "road slugs" (?) which look like full locomotives without all the access doors. Am I correct in thinking that the cabs in these are fully functional?
Some of the photos I'm looking at have it as the lead, so I guess they'd have to be. Are these also rebuilds, or were some of them built as road slugs?

[WDGF]

Going back to the slugs for a moment, I found a shot of a six-axle CSX slug: <http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38043>

I see there are also "road slugs" (?) which look like full locomotives without all the access doors. Am I correct in thinking that the cabs in these are fully functional?
Some of the photos I'm looking at have it as the lead, so I guess they'd have to be. Are these also rebuilds, or were some of them built as road slugs?

[CShaveRR]

CSX's road slugs were conversions of older units, mostly GP30s and GP35s. Besides functioning cabs, the dynamic brakes also worked. At one time, they could supply fuel from their fuel tank to their "mother" (the accompanying powered unit), but I've been told that this procedure has been discontinued.

And yes, around the early 1960s, they found that a locomotive toilet was just as disgusting and prone to malfunction in a low nose as it was in a high nose.

[CShaveRR]

CSX's road slugs were conversions of older units, mostly GP30s and GP35s. Besides functioning cabs, the dynamic brakes also worked. At one time, they could supply fuel from their fuel tank to their "mother" (the accompanying powered unit), but I've been told that this procedure has been discontinued.

And yes, around the early 1960s, they found that a locomotive toilet was just as disgusting and prone to malfunction in a low nose as it was in a high nose.