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QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC
QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online?
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history.
QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM Thank You Jeff and spbed. That sheds some light on it for me. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05 AM The Government never "asked" the C&NW to build into the Powder River Basin. The BN was first approached by mining companies to build lines to the mines. The C&NW was approached by some utilities for coal rates from PRB to their plants. The C&NW realized the potential of the coal business and planned their own separate line into the PRB. They approached the BN about building a joint line. The BN at first refused, they didn't want the C&NW in there at all. The ICC wasn't going to approve two parallel lines and urged them to come to a joint agreement for use of a single line. This is what eventually happened. The CNWHS Summer 2004 issue of North Western Lines was devoted to the coal lines in Wyoming. Jeff Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:34 AM I found this by doing a Yahoo search of Chicago Northwestern Powder River Coal http://www.delta.edu/rmmee/cnwrr.html [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:29 AM Again I think your question can only be answered by a 70s VP from the CNW or a former 70s ICC member. Doubt that either exists on this forum. You can also research the BNRR records as they were very opposed to the ICC allowing the CNW into the PRB. Did you do a google search on CNW Powder River Coal? I thank my lucky stars that I listened to certain people & the ruling that came down was very favorable to the CNW[:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:44 AM With respect to lefthand operation on the CNW I believe the story goes like this. Early on when they were single track the railroad built the depots to one side of the tracks. On the Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Divisions it was on the "compass" east side. On the Galena it was "compass" north side. When commuter service had to be increased to the point that double track was required, the only place to put that second track was of course on the side where the depot buildings weren't. The railroad decided to run the trains with the inbound trains on the "Left hand" side so commuters awaiting the arrival of their train would have the benifit of a depot building, thus the left handed operation throughout the system. However, up in Wisconsin where trains operated over subsidiary Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul and Omaha, trains were operated "Right-handed." It used to be an old story that the railroad was owned by the English causing the unusual operation. Mitch Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:29 AM Again I think your question can only be answered by a 70s VP from the CNW or a former 70s ICC member. Doubt that either exists on this forum. You can also research the BNRR records as they were very opposed to the ICC allowing the CNW into the PRB. Did you do a google search on CNW Powder River Coal? I thank my lucky stars that I listened to certain people & the ruling that came down was very favorable to the CNW[:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:44 AM With respect to lefthand operation on the CNW I believe the story goes like this. Early on when they were single track the railroad built the depots to one side of the tracks. On the Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Divisions it was on the "compass" east side. On the Galena it was "compass" north side. When commuter service had to be increased to the point that double track was required, the only place to put that second track was of course on the side where the depot buildings weren't. The railroad decided to run the trains with the inbound trains on the "Left hand" side so commuters awaiting the arrival of their train would have the benifit of a depot building, thus the left handed operation throughout the system. However, up in Wisconsin where trains operated over subsidiary Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul and Omaha, trains were operated "Right-handed." It used to be an old story that the railroad was owned by the English causing the unusual operation. Mitch Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:29 AM Again I think your question can only be answered by a 70s VP from the CNW or a former 70s ICC member. Doubt that either exists on this forum. You can also research the BNRR records as they were very opposed to the ICC allowing the CNW into the PRB. Did you do a google search on CNW Powder River Coal? I thank my lucky stars that I listened to certain people & the ruling that came down was very favorable to the CNW[:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:44 AM With respect to lefthand operation on the CNW I believe the story goes like this. Early on when they were single track the railroad built the depots to one side of the tracks. On the Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Divisions it was on the "compass" east side. On the Galena it was "compass" north side. When commuter service had to be increased to the point that double track was required, the only place to put that second track was of course on the side where the depot buildings weren't. The railroad decided to run the trains with the inbound trains on the "Left hand" side so commuters awaiting the arrival of their train would have the benifit of a depot building, thus the left handed operation throughout the system. However, up in Wisconsin where trains operated over subsidiary Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul and Omaha, trains were operated "Right-handed." It used to be an old story that the railroad was owned by the English causing the unusual operation. Mitch Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:44 AM With respect to lefthand operation on the CNW I believe the story goes like this. Early on when they were single track the railroad built the depots to one side of the tracks. On the Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Divisions it was on the "compass" east side. On the Galena it was "compass" north side. When commuter service had to be increased to the point that double track was required, the only place to put that second track was of course on the side where the depot buildings weren't. The railroad decided to run the trains with the inbound trains on the "Left hand" side so commuters awaiting the arrival of their train would have the benifit of a depot building, thus the left handed operation throughout the system. However, up in Wisconsin where trains operated over subsidiary Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul and Omaha, trains were operated "Right-handed." It used to be an old story that the railroad was owned by the English causing the unusual operation. Mitch Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:44 AM With respect to lefthand operation on the CNW I believe the story goes like this. Early on when they were single track the railroad built the depots to one side of the tracks. On the Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Divisions it was on the "compass" east side. On the Galena it was "compass" north side. When commuter service had to be increased to the point that double track was required, the only place to put that second track was of course on the side where the depot buildings weren't. The railroad decided to run the trains with the inbound trains on the "Left hand" side so commuters awaiting the arrival of their train would have the benifit of a depot building, thus the left handed operation throughout the system. However, up in Wisconsin where trains operated over subsidiary Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul and Omaha, trains were operated "Right-handed." It used to be an old story that the railroad was owned by the English causing the unusual operation. Mitch Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I'm not doubting what you say. I'm just wondering why this isn't in any books about CNW?. Wouldn't CNW want the world to know that Uncle Sam begged them to go into PRB? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,901 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. I acquired some old CNW employee system time tables recently. Reading thru some of them I came across a few short stretches of double track where it stated, "Trains will keep to the right." I'd have to go look, but I think it was on the line in Wisconsin near Altoona. Jeff Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:21 PM Well, i have always liked the CNW, and just wondering if people want to talk abotut the CNW in St. Paul? Also, just food for thought, what was your favorite paintscheme the CNW had. I liked the regular ones, like on the SD40-2's and GP40's. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:11 PM Well supposely that mystery was solved some time ago something do with ice at the passenger stations. You do know that the Cajon pass trains operate exactly the same way as the CNW trains used to?. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general?
Originally posted by zardoz Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? The mystery of why they operated left-handed. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:57 PM Proviso Yard's name had little to do with Larry Provo and predated his top job. It was simply a contracton of the words "provisions" or "providing", that this was to be the yard that would provide America with a large amount of goods by handling a whale of a percentage of the nation's freight. Heineman streamlined that commuter operations and drastically reduced its operating costs by dieselization, largely made possible by transferring diesels from long distance and country plug passsenger services that he fought (successfully) to discontinue, and by double deck coaches and push pull cab cars which cut some 60% of terminal costs. At the same time this presented a slick new image for the Chicago financial types that commuted on the Northwestern trains. The demise of the C&AE and CNS&M interurubans added more business of course and compensated for the loss of bussiness from the express highway system. He tried to maintain that he actually had a positive cash flow from the commuter business, the only railroad in the USA that could make that statement, but of course this discounted the depreciation of stations and part of the right-of-way. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:47 PM In the ICC eyes I would suspect/guess due to CNW ownership of the"cowboy" line which was also in Wyoming the ICC considered them a "Wyoming" carrier like the UPRR. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:46 PM Because they were afraid that Up was already too powerful. I think this was during a Democratic Administration, also, and despite Averal Harriman having served a Democratic President (Truman) the UP has generally identified with the Rps., if my memory is correct. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:44 PM I'm just giving you the story. You would have ask the ICC why they chose CNW over UPRR. It maybe the data base for ICC does not go back that far but it was in the mid 70s & I guess you can go to a Chicago library & go thru the archives & I am sure you will find it. Maybe you can archive one of the Chicago newspaper for that era also. Something like that that was a life changing experience as I wrote you you tend to remember. I also remember one of the CNW VPs bought himself a ring that would make a SB ring look small. I still even remember that person name[:p][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding I've read this a couple times of on this message board, that *The Government* asked CNW to go into the Powder River Basin. I've yet to see it in any book though. (?) Logically, why wouldn't the ICC have asked a railroad with stronger financial standing to do it? Especially, if one could be allready found in Wyoming? (UP)? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:04 AM The ICC wanted competition in the basin so they picked the CNW since they had the "cowboy" line in Wyoming. At 1st the CNW was to extend the "cowboy line. Then the UPRR said they would build a connector to accept the coal trains & CNW being strapped for $$$$ accepted less revenue to have the coal routed CNW then UPRR then CNW again in eastern Nebraska. I know this cause I was doing biz with CNW at the time I was told to buy CNW stock since once the announcement was made CNW would go higher. Today I am a very happy fellow for that decision. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:38 AM Is the train control system still in place across Iowa, and is there still a different system on the UP proper further west ? Dale Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:52 PM What was the CNW 's biggest legacy that it left to UP, and to American railroading in general? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Grant's book on the Eire/ EL makes for some good reading. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Thanks. Just added those to my list of books to find.[:)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:27 AM Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, October 17, 2005 12:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC I agree [:)]. What else has he written? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Roger Grant books that I have read are the Northwestern, The Corn Belt Route (Chicago Great Western) and a book on the Erie / Erie-Lackawana. I think that there are a few more. CC
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 "The Northwestern" by Roger Grant. Excellent book. Roger Grant is a very good author and I have read several of his books. CC
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