QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George
Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world...
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world...
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear".
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way.
Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:08 AM Thank U [:D][:D] Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.
Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] I don't know as you can make a bad thing better, but this comes about as close as you can get... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM Thank U! [:p][:D] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D]
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Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ [:)] GOOD IDEA, are you listening taggers (whoops, forgot you taggers are not railfans but "artists"). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:02 AM I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^] Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime. That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B. We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply CANADIANPACIFIC2816 Member sinceMarch 2005 From: SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA 2,483 posts Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:47 AM The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety. Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:31 AM What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html Reply Train 284 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Redding, California 1,428 posts Posted by Train 284 on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PM I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do. Matt Espee Forever! Modeling the Modoc Northern Railroad in HO scale Brakeman/Conductor/Fireman on the Yreka Western Railroad Member of Rouge Valley Model RR Club Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace! 1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time. 2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization. Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you.. LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal. [^]
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Well SPbed, Just seems like the signs of a decaying society. As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0] Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life. Peace!
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith BNSF railfan this ones just for you..
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^] With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college! I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!! Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted.
QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid. The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^]
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