I am so sick of GRAFFITI.

[Anonymous]

Railfanning realy sucks anymore. I mean what ever you call it I call it Fn' GD TRASH! TRA***RA***RASH! Errrr it makes me so mad. Just today watching a westbound Autorack Train roll by and EVERY GD D*MN car has that stupid crap all over it. I know that the Railroads do what they can to rid of it but even more of it just keeps coming,errr. I mean I don't like to Photograph the crap because it makes Photo's look realy stupid. Im sorry about the complaining but this has gone way to far!
BNSFrailfan.

[Anonymous]

IT'S GRAFFITI!!

Spell check...(sheesh)

LC

[joegreen]

I love it and I actually take pictures of it when a train is stopped or moving slow. Just the other day I saw a car that had graffiti on it from top to bottom and side to side saying "HAPPY NEW YEAR, 2004".I could see the car from a mile away it was so colorful.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

IT'S GRAFFITI!!

Spell check...(sheesh)

LC

There you happy now[;)].

[locomutt]

BNSF railfan,
I do not like it either,but I have this 'strange' feeling,that you might
as well get used to it,as no matter what some people do,it's going
to be around for awhile.

No matter who likes or dislikes graffitti, when it's done like that,
it is still vandalism, and that person(s) should be punished
to the fullest extent of the law, if and/or when they are found.

And as an aside to joegreen,do you want that painted on the side
of your car ????

[tatans]

It's actually graffito, the plural is graffiti. the talent is great, but what a waste destroying other peoples property.

[Hugh Jampton]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tatans

It's actually graffito, the plural is graffiti. the talent is great, but what a waste destroying other peoples property.

Destroyed???? No,, it's not destroyed. If it were then the vehicle would be un-useable. If anything the extra coats of paint will prolong the life of the asset..

[overall]

I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you?

George

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by overall

I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you?

George

Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]!
BNSFrailfan.

[AntonioFP45]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton

QUOTE: Originally posted by tatans

It's actually graffito, the plural is graffiti. the talent is great, but what a waste destroying other peoples property.

Destroyed???? No,, it's not destroyed. If it were then the vehicle would be un-useable. If anything the extra coats of paint will prolong the life of the asset..

Uh, Hugh.

Since you're a professional engineer I'm sure that you're aware that many spray can paints are still lacquer based mixes, though it's being phased out gradually.

The automotive paints on railroad cars today is enamel based. Some are Urethane others Epoxy. In any case LACQUER BASED PAINTS DAMAGE ENAMEL FINISHES, period! The transfer agent, lacquer thinner, evaporates quickly but in those few minutes the damage is done to the topcoat, even on the modern "super-tough" finishes.( I was a paint & body man for a number of years, in case anyone's wondering.)


There is absolutely no moral, economic, or social benefit to trashing trains with graffitti.[V]

[tree68]

Oh, for the days of Bozo Texino and a big piece of chalk.

[JoeKoh]

I ve seen tagged rail cars engines equipment bridges and other stuff too.I agree such talent is wasted.
stay safe
Joe

[adrianspeeder]

Shoot em where they stand...

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder

Shoot em where they stand...

Adrianspeeder

Shot them on the spot. They should spend up to 5 years in jail over this nonsince.

[spbed]

What the big deal? We do not own the cars do we now? So why care? I found some of it very neat in fact. [:o)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

Railfanning realy sucks anymore. I mean what ever you call it I call it Fn' GD TRASH! TRA***RA***RASH! Errrr it makes me so mad. Just today watching a westbound Autorack Train roll by and EVERY GD D*MN car has that stupid crap all over it. I know that the Railroads do what they can to rid of it but even more of it just keeps coming,errr. I mean I don't like to Photograph the crap because it makes Photo's look realy stupid. Im sorry about the complaining but this has gone way to far!
BNSFrailfan.

[AntonioFP45]

Well SPbed,

Just seems like the signs of a decaying society.

As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0]

Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life.

Peace!

[vsmith]

BNSF railfan

this ones just for you..

[Anonymous]

I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid.

The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.
[^]

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails

I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid.

The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.
[^]

Alas, I suspect all you'd get would be "amateurs." Most likely, none of the "real" taggers would want to be caught dead doing something like that...

[AntonioFP45]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails

I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid.

The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^]

With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college!

I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!!

Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails

I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid.

The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.[^]

With all due respect, how do you think that the railroad's customers, the shippers, would react?? Plus, can you imagine the pandora's box of lawsuits something like this can open? Even with signed waiver's, a tagger gets hurt or injured (and its so easy on railroad equipment) that host railroad will be paying for that tagger's grandchildren to go to college!

I see why now railroad's take hard stance's on some issues. As a kid, I walked onto a an open 50ft SL door boxcar on a loading dock at a warehouse. No one said anything, though I knew better. As agile as I was, I tripped and fell out of the car due to stepping on a protruding piece of metal next to the door. Painfull lesson! My fault, I wasn't going to whine about it or try and sue as I hobbled to my bicycle and left. Now, imagine this happening to a young tagger who already has a hostile attituded towards railroads and property rights!!

Unless the railroad car is inside a museum or other safe envioronment, legalized tagging will likely not be adopted.

Don't feel bad,I myself did alot of very dumb things around Railyards when I was that young too. So don't feel bad at all! Like they say! Your very dumb and very Stupid when your young that's untill you start to grow up just a little more and the relize in later age of some of the realy stupid things when you where realy young. Believe me. I found out the hard way.
BNSFrailfan.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

BNSF railfan

this ones just for you..

LOL! That's realy cool dude. But you realy don't know how much id realy like to pu***here button........Right in a jail cell.
BNSFrailfan.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Well SPbed,

Just seems like the signs of a decaying society.

As a kid in the late 60s and a teen in the late 70s, watching freight trains with their various colors and logos was always a thrill. Watching freight trains now and seeing the "artistic trash" on them makes me think of gangs, ghetto thugs, kids that aren't being raised, turf wars. Like it or not, that's what graffitti is associated with![B)][:0]

Before anyone harps on me with their political correctness drool, I lived in a New York ghetto ( South Bronx) for a while as a kid and remember the graffitti and the gangs only too well! I'm so grateful that my parents made sure that I didn't get sucked into the street life.

Peace!

1. Society has always been messed up. These are human beings were talking about. Not exactly a flawless creation. I know it's fun and exciting to proclaim "doom" or that "things are worse now". It must be fun to proclaim such things since people have been doing it since the beginning of time.

2. Your correlation between graffiti and thugalicious gangsters is a gross generalization. I'm sure many of these kids are nerds. Gangsters may right graffiti, but not all people who write graffiti are gangsters. The desire to write one's name on inanimate objects, like greed or quarelling, seems to be an age-old human disposition, and as such can't be lumped under a giant generalization.

Just some minor inaccuracies that needed to be mniscorrected.
-joe

[Train 284]

I agree. It's not that fun to see cars with graffitti on them, but, you mightas well just live with it, theres not much us regular folk can do.

[mersenne6]

What with this thread and at least one other commenting on graffiti and what those who insist on doing it should do - the article below should be of some interest. If it is to be believed - at least on train spray painter decided it was too tough to continue slathering paint on trains and decided to smuggle his stuff into various museums and hope someone would notice.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/art.prank.reut/index.html

[CANADIANPACIFIC2816]

The BNSF runs trains through my home town of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I too, have gotten weary of seeing freight cars that have been vandalized by spray paint. While some of it is artistic, and once in a while I will photograph it, a lot of the cars that you see with graffitti on them are privately owned and the corporations which own these cars do not appreciate having them vandalized with spray paints. Another thing that I will point out is that people who do this sort of thing are tresspassing on railroad property, and I often wonder how many idiots get themselves injured or killed every year while vandalizing a piece of rolling stock in such a manner. I sometimes think that it would be fun to use an ACF covered hopper as a traveling billboard to let people know what I think of my ex-employer or some other b*tch who had her head up her fanny so tight she couldn't pull it out and say "hello", but applying graffitti to a piece of rolling stock is not worth the trouble that I can get myself into, nor is it worth risking my personal safety.

[eolafan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wncrails

I still think my idea on a similar post is still valid.

The RR's should set out a couple cars thet need painting, give the taggers a theme and let them go to it. RR's win since they get cars painted for free & it's all legal.
[^]

Good thought, but it won't work. I will compare a pre-determined car(s) for taggers to use to a mother sayaing to her kids "I's ok for you kids to take cookies out of only this cookie jar and not the other one that is for Dad and me". The kids will want the excitement of breaking into Mom and Dad's cookie jar, and the a set-aside car for taggers will take all of the excitement out of their pastime.

That said, what taggers do to rolling stock is definetly not right and certainly is damaging to private property but it is really a fact of modern life and is really like dirty locomotives, i.e. it does not stop the trains from getting freight from point A to point B.

We have never been without taggers (even the Romans and Egyptians had them thousands of years ago as evidenced by graffiti being found in the ancient tombs) and we will surely never get rid of them, so we should all channel our efforts and energy in some other direction where we can make a defenite impact.

[spbed]

I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D]

Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816
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