QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I wi***hat they would put the city & year that they did it. That way we would get a history of that car. I think that would be neat. [:o)][8D]
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Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. 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Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:10 AM Somehow I believe the SOLUTION to graffiti is to paint rolling stock in graffiti appearance. What graffitist would paint a message or statement that blended in and nobody could see? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply underworld Member sinceFebruary 2005 1,821 posts Posted by underworld on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:23 AM I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] currently on Tour with Sleeper Cell myspace.com/sleepercellrock Sleeper Cell is @ Checkers in Bowling Green Ohio 12/31/2009 come on out to the party!!! we will be shooting more video for MTVs The Making of a Metal Band Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 10:41 AM I graffitied some of my HO cars to make them look more real! Did not do as well as some artists but what the heck to me it is eye pleasing[:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:52 PM I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 12:57 PM You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by underworld I have seen semi truck trailers with graffiti. It's common enough that it is being modelled widely today. http://walthers.com/exec/search?quick=graffiti&quicksrch_butt.x=23&quicksrch_butt.y=7 Three pages at Walthers. underworld [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ You're absolutely right spbed... Please forgive me and all the others for expressing our feelings about the subject. We're just a bunch of angry people looking for something that doesn't concern us to vent our anger at - isn't that right guys... Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 AM No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed No offense meant. It just seems silly that so upset over things that do not affect my daily life. The cars are owned by the RRs not us fans so who cares what they look like? Sure if they did it to my car or my house I would then want to vent a whole lot. [:(][:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed If they tagged my house or my truck I'd want to vent too, but I'd do my venting with my shotgun, and I'd be venting who ever I caught doing the tagging!... tl1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:06 AM Well your personal property is far different then something you do not own right? BTW did any of the cars you saw "tagged" have year & date where they were? [:p][:)] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:55 AM I use to have a neighbor by the name of Mr. Jones that elected himself neighborhood police officer. He was big, mean and meant business. When he told us kids it was too late to be out and to go home, we did. If he caught teenagers doing things they shouldn't be doing, he'd shut them down. He made anything that went on in that neighborhood his business-even the rail cars that were side tracked down at the end of the street. And though he was an old jerk that none of us kids really liked, he kept that neighborhood in shape and looking like a show place. He's been gone now for twenty five years, and the old neibhorhood has turned into a dump. It's been taken over by young people that just don't care-about anything but the moment, pleasure and goofing off anymore. If we had more guys in the world out there that were as mean and determind as Mr. Jones, it would be a neater, cleaner more orderly world... You see spbed, that's the difference of what happens when someone cares. Those taggers don't own those cars either, so what gives them the right to paint on them, and how am I hurting them by turning them into the law if I catch them ?... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:49 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear". No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... I meant what I said about the train car tagging, and if you would like, I can go back out into the forum and gather an army of people you can argue about this with that feel the same way I do, only they may not be as nice as I've been about it... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Reply Edit ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:09 PM Someone said that graffitti doesn't affect us. When graffitti on a car gets bad enough, the railroad has to take it out of service(lost revenue) and repainted(big expense). The more they have to do that, the more they raise their rates. The more they raise their rates, the more things shipped by train(like cars) cost. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe Okay Joe. You win. My parents did in fact beat me, and I am hateful and mean spirited, angry, stressed out, paranoid, etc like you said. What's the use in word fighting with someone like you who is oh so much wiser than I. I know when I've been put in my place. Thank you for sorting all of this out. Now I know what's been wrong with me all these years. By the way. Read the reply above left by ben10ben... trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:23 AM Yesterday on the Ft. Madison cam a A/rack car came floating by with the #5 in exact scale painted on the car I guess as a tribute to that NASCAR guy who was killed a bit ago. Whomever did it either is in training or is wasting his life away as it really looked good. Look for it in your area some day especially if you are a NASCAR fan. [:o)][:D][8D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way.
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I've heard out in L. A. you can get shot trying to stop taggers-or if taggers catch you painting over their graffiti. It seems the gangs out there feel that anything that comes through their areas is theirs to do as they please. I myself hate so called "car art", and wish law makers would up the punishment on those caught in the act. I bet if they or their folks had to pay for having that car repainted it would curb a lot of it!. When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... When I was a kid, we climbed around on cars and made club houses out of them, but we never defaced them in any kind of way. Your parents beat you as a kid, didn't they? Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. When will this thread die out? Graffiti really doesn't bother me that much, except when it's painted on engines, which is rare. Why should it bother anybody that much? Like the brown side of a boxcar is all that pretty. Railroad emblems are pretty, but not the solid metal sides of autoracks and brown-tinted boxcars. Why don't you ***ety old cranks let up a little? And I find it comical to hear people spreading rumors about graffiti artists carrying firearms. These seem like the old FTRA horror stories, when in reality the FTRA were just a bunch of angry old jaded drunks. It helps to know what you're talking about before you blabber off about what you "hear".
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world...
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world...
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 When I hear that some little punk got ran over and killed by a train while tagging train cars, all I can feel is relieved that there's one less tagger in the world... No joeyalone. My parents didn't beat me, but they were very strict, and I grew up in a very strict and conservative world-before the liberals took over and opened the gates of hell... Good luck to you joeyalone. With your liberal like attitude, your going to need it on this forum. trainluver1 Paranoid that liberals are taking over the world. Vindictive and wishing for the death of people you don't know. Mean-spirited. I don't know buddy, sounds to me like your parents beat you. Maybe you call that strict. Sounds like they jaded you at a pretty early age. P.S. - I'm not a "liberal", nor do I think the liberals have opened any "gates of hell" as you put it. I don't care for partisan politics much. And no, Good luck to you, my friend. Good luck trying to stay happy and healthy when you're so full of anger, stress, and paranoia. -joe
Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan. Dont feel so bad. Here in Fond Du Lac,Wi,every CN train I see that heads through here , I usually see a few cars that are clean,yet 99% of the consist is all tagged up with grafitti. I remember back in the late 1980's,when I lived in Southern California, a kid was caught putting the word "Choca" on somewhere between 1,000-to 5,000 rail cars,most belonging to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Needless to say,the kid admitted to doing this,and had to repaint ALL the cars that he vandaled,and the parents got billed for $10.000.00,which included all the troube he caused. It is true though that when a shipper sees this stuff on a rail car, I'm sure it makes them wonder if their product will be safe. I'm surprised that there has not been any grafitti on the Oshkosh military trucks that are on the flat cars,since these are open to all elements of what not.There are no tarps or anything to cover these pieces of equipment,let alone other heavy pieces of equipment from Caterpillar,John Deere,Case,and the other builders of such equipment. You figure that someone would protect this stuff,but alas it is not the case. It makes a person wonder if a company really gives a [censored] about their product. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:07 AM Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George Thank you! your statement is so true. Just yesterday I saw 5 NEW Railbox Box cars and already one of them was TRASHED[V]! BNSFrailfan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by overall I'm with you man. What kind of messege does it send to shippers? It says that their shipments may be vulnerable to theft or destruction. You never see this on trucks do you? George
Originally posted by spbed You sound like a angry person over something that does not even affect you in way whatsoever. Maybe over the prive of gas that anger maybe in order but something as silly as graffiti why get stressed out? Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 [ [/quote SPBED,it affects EVERYONE. It costs money to repaint these cars.A railcar owner and a manufacturer pay for this car to transport goods to different places,with NO problems.If the car's owner has to pay for this repainting of the car to haul consumer goods from the manufacturer,that cost is reflected on the product that YOU purchase.Its just like the fuel for a semi truck. The price goes up,so does my fee to haul the product. Someone damages my truck,I have to pay for the repair out of my own pocket, then to get my money back,I have to charge more,for me to make a profit from the downtime and expense of the stupidity of a jerk,who thinks its great to cause such a problem. Think of it.........how would you feel if you produced a product,and you are paid big bucks for the delivery of it,then turn and find out that there was damage to that product by a vandal,and the company that wants this product,sends it back to you,and you loose the money,that is rightfully owed to you,yet it was damaged.You are the one that is loosing the profit. Its pretty sad to say this,but think about it. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:43 AM I sincerely doubt the RRs do anything with those cars. In fact because they have another layer of paint on them they are less likely to rust so in fact they are saving the RRs money so they could actually reduce the cost of shipping to the shipper. Sorry that our views on this subject go down different tracks. Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by cnwfan11 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:45 AM Sorry that our views on this subject differ. [:D] Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:48 AM I fully agree with your views/comments on this subject. Maybe he will some day realize by adding a coat of paint to the car the taggers are saving the RRs $$$$$$ as the car is less likely to rust because it has a xtra coat of paint on it. [:p][:D] Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:50 AM Actually the reverse is true. The more coats of paint you put on a object the less likely it is it will rust! [:p][:D] Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by ben10ben [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:08 PM I think someone's been mis-using the quote option on this topic... That, or they're making fun of a serious subject. Vandalism is a serious matter. It cost money to repair or repaint things that have been messed up by kids that don't have anything better to do, and if it's a government owned item that's been vandalized, the money to repair it comes out of the tax payers pockets, and guess who the tax payers are... If I ever see anyone spray painting anything I'm calling the cops, just as I will if I see them throw their trash out their car window after leaving a fast food place like I've done before and testified against them at the hearing which cost them a $500.00 fine. No, it's none of my business what other people do-as long as they're obeying the law, and the same goes for me. trainluver1 Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:48 PM Psst - Hey, bring your shiny new automobile over here. I've got the paint cans ready and we'll paint a really neat design on it for you. How does "Digger" sound? We can paint something different for you on the other side, too. Sorry if we cover up the windows. It would mess up the design if we didn't. You can always scrape them off if you need to see out of them... Or replace them. It won't cost you much. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:40 PM You should be happy that your car has an xtra(sic) coat of paint on it. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. Thank you. trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM A brief glimpse into the mind of a graffiti "artist": By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - A renowned graffiti artist, arrested last year for defacing the facade of a Bronx building, is back in everyone's good graces after spray-painting — with permission — a bright red-and-gold tribute to Pope John Paul II. James De La Vega's latest work, painted on the security gate of a Spanish Harlem storefront, was created to bring hope to the poor and struggling in his Manhattan neighborhood, he said Wednesday. "This Pope understood pain and tried to relieve it," said De La Vega, 32, standing in front of the artwork. The "God's Revolutionary" mural portrays a praying pope looking at a crucified Christ as a man with his head bowed stands off in the distance. It took De La Vega two hours to complete Sunday, and he hopes it becomes a permanent installation. As De La Vega spoke, several people paused to look at the mural; one man made the sign of the cross, while another kissed the religious medal around his neck. The artist returned to Spanish Harlem after graduating with an art degree from Cornell University in 1993. He used the brick facades as his canvas and the sidewalks as his chalkboard. On one wall he depicted the Last Supper, painting black and white skeletons at the table instead of the apostles, to underscore the poverty of the Harlem streets. Last July, De La Vega was arrested for painting a fish jumping out of a bowl on the brick wall of a Bronx building without approval. He was convicted by a judge of graffiti and criminal mischief, and ordered to serve 50 hours of community service. His brush with the law did nothing to dampen De La Vega's enthusiasm for his work. "Most poor people don't visit galleries," De La Vega said. "More people look at my artwork than visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050407/ap_on_re_us/pope_art Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things.
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