QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things.
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when teh train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things.
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying.
Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt It's still vandelism,and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt It's still vandelism,and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But the law isn't very extensive.
QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things.
Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Saturday, April 9, 2005 11:28 AM Those of you saying that graffitti prolongs the life of the car would do well to read the post on page 1 by AntonioFP45. In addition, if a vandal(yes, that's what they are) paints over the road numbers or other identification information on the car, the railroad has no other choice but to take it out of service and at least repaint that information on the car. Like it or not, that costs money to do, which is passed on to us in one way or another eventually(trickle down economics). I really see it as a sign of a sad world when people make excuses for something that is so clearly vandalism with no benefit whatsoever. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:41 PM I don't like it and cannot find any redeeming value with it whatsoever, especailly on trains ........ Other people's property is simply that - others! Kinda feel about it the way I do regarding: (1) Warm beer (2) Wet toilet paper (3) Politically correct thinkers Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 3:25 PM So once more... Graffiti bad. People that paint graffiti bad. Liberals or people that are willing to tolerate it bad. Me and the rest of the anti-graffiti folks on the topic good... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] Hee Hoo! Wow, you really "coasted" far out into left field on that one, buddy! You made a lot of assumptions about me without ever knowing me. Your babbling proved intriguing to read, but please leave your paranoid ranting and creepy "liberal conspiracy" agendas out of the topic next time. "Mind expanding drugs"...wow. Where'd you get that one? Well, if I wasn't so prone to logic, I might be liable to make some assumptions about you, too - maybe stating something about how you're probably quite an old, cranky, and joyless fellow, maybe a bit paranoid, maybe a bit too plugged in on the Fox News, maybe not the happiest person on this forum. This was originally about graffiti (the legality of which I never argued about nor defended), but you seem to have, in a very Tom Delay-esque style, wanted to turn it into some whiney partisan (or ideological, as you called it, which is actually quite similar) bickering. Oh, I am taunted to play your childish game with you, but I think for now I'll refrain. See, I actually try to act my age, where as you seem, like most juvenile spoiled brats who're stuck in grown men's bodies, to have trouble with that. Contrary to your presumptuous belief that I am somehow a liberal (the thought actually quite nauseates me if you must know), I actually prescribe to the belief of OBJECTIVISM, which is not prescribing nor conforming to a pre-set, partisan code of beliefs, but rather OBJECTIVELY analyzing and deciding for yourself. I see good and bad in both left-wing and right-wing trains of thought. NOthing is ever black and white. You, it seems, prefer to choose the other path, of labeling and name-calling, of sticking to party lines. I know your type, and they do not seem like happy people. They seem rather angry. And they tend to live short lives. All that stress and anger tends to wear on the circulatory system, a bit , you know. Perhaps you're a bit overweight as well. It's a shame, really, that I had to go from trying to offer a contrasting point of view on this subject, to defending myself against an old angry crank like yourself. Please, we should let this thread die. And in the future, lets try to exchange thoughts about this in a MATURE manner, without the presumptions and name-calling from both sides. It doesn't always hurt so much to act one's age. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:14 PM Recently I saw a lead eng on a BNSF which on the condrs side, the entire BNSF on the eng body was painted over by junk. Made me sick just to look at it. I would like to take whoever did it and wrap their head in a vise and squeez it shut. On a unrelated note, about 10 yrs ago there was a yd crew in KS which spray painted '2 dead crew' on a brand new private firm lease hopper car. It did not take much fact finding to discover who did it. They were warned not to do it again. Some of the junk painted on rolling stock is inside jobs coming from rr people themselves. Quite sad. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:01 AM Well I for one sort of enjoy it as a railfan & see what some fertile minds may create. Like the auto racker I saw painted with a hugh #5 in tribute I guess for the driver who got likked at Daytona[:p][:)] Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] Whatever anybody else may say since RR cars are usually in the open air subject to rain, snow, wind, sand storms, etc common sense would say the more coats of paint you have on something the less likely is it will rust. [:o)][:D] Peace in the end you & I & all on this board can do nothing to change it so why worry about it? [:p][:)][:D] I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Originally posted by ben10ben Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. The best thing to do is just call the police and report it, and let them sneak up on the taggers and catch them in the act. trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:32 PM There you go set up a sting & catch them in the act. Much better then moaning & groaning about something that nobody on this board can correct. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Saturday, April 9, 2005 11:28 AM Those of you saying that graffitti prolongs the life of the car would do well to read the post on page 1 by AntonioFP45. In addition, if a vandal(yes, that's what they are) paints over the road numbers or other identification information on the car, the railroad has no other choice but to take it out of service and at least repaint that information on the car. Like it or not, that costs money to do, which is passed on to us in one way or another eventually(trickle down economics). I really see it as a sign of a sad world when people make excuses for something that is so clearly vandalism with no benefit whatsoever. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:41 PM I don't like it and cannot find any redeeming value with it whatsoever, especailly on trains ........ Other people's property is simply that - others! Kinda feel about it the way I do regarding: (1) Warm beer (2) Wet toilet paper (3) Politically correct thinkers Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 3:25 PM So once more... Graffiti bad. People that paint graffiti bad. Liberals or people that are willing to tolerate it bad. Me and the rest of the anti-graffiti folks on the topic good... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] Hee Hoo! Wow, you really "coasted" far out into left field on that one, buddy! You made a lot of assumptions about me without ever knowing me. Your babbling proved intriguing to read, but please leave your paranoid ranting and creepy "liberal conspiracy" agendas out of the topic next time. "Mind expanding drugs"...wow. Where'd you get that one? Well, if I wasn't so prone to logic, I might be liable to make some assumptions about you, too - maybe stating something about how you're probably quite an old, cranky, and joyless fellow, maybe a bit paranoid, maybe a bit too plugged in on the Fox News, maybe not the happiest person on this forum. This was originally about graffiti (the legality of which I never argued about nor defended), but you seem to have, in a very Tom Delay-esque style, wanted to turn it into some whiney partisan (or ideological, as you called it, which is actually quite similar) bickering. Oh, I am taunted to play your childish game with you, but I think for now I'll refrain. See, I actually try to act my age, where as you seem, like most juvenile spoiled brats who're stuck in grown men's bodies, to have trouble with that. Contrary to your presumptuous belief that I am somehow a liberal (the thought actually quite nauseates me if you must know), I actually prescribe to the belief of OBJECTIVISM, which is not prescribing nor conforming to a pre-set, partisan code of beliefs, but rather OBJECTIVELY analyzing and deciding for yourself. I see good and bad in both left-wing and right-wing trains of thought. NOthing is ever black and white. You, it seems, prefer to choose the other path, of labeling and name-calling, of sticking to party lines. I know your type, and they do not seem like happy people. They seem rather angry. And they tend to live short lives. All that stress and anger tends to wear on the circulatory system, a bit , you know. Perhaps you're a bit overweight as well. It's a shame, really, that I had to go from trying to offer a contrasting point of view on this subject, to defending myself against an old angry crank like yourself. Please, we should let this thread die. And in the future, lets try to exchange thoughts about this in a MATURE manner, without the presumptions and name-calling from both sides. It doesn't always hurt so much to act one's age. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:14 PM Recently I saw a lead eng on a BNSF which on the condrs side, the entire BNSF on the eng body was painted over by junk. Made me sick just to look at it. I would like to take whoever did it and wrap their head in a vise and squeez it shut. On a unrelated note, about 10 yrs ago there was a yd crew in KS which spray painted '2 dead crew' on a brand new private firm lease hopper car. It did not take much fact finding to discover who did it. They were warned not to do it again. Some of the junk painted on rolling stock is inside jobs coming from rr people themselves. Quite sad. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:01 AM Well I for one sort of enjoy it as a railfan & see what some fertile minds may create. Like the auto racker I saw painted with a hugh #5 in tribute I guess for the driver who got likked at Daytona[:p][:)] Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] Whatever anybody else may say since RR cars are usually in the open air subject to rain, snow, wind, sand storms, etc common sense would say the more coats of paint you have on something the less likely is it will rust. [:o)][:D] Peace in the end you & I & all on this board can do nothing to change it so why worry about it? [:p][:)][:D] I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Originally posted by ben10ben Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. The best thing to do is just call the police and report it, and let them sneak up on the taggers and catch them in the act. trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:32 PM There you go set up a sting & catch them in the act. Much better then moaning & groaning about something that nobody on this board can correct. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Saturday, April 9, 2005 11:28 AM Those of you saying that graffitti prolongs the life of the car would do well to read the post on page 1 by AntonioFP45. In addition, if a vandal(yes, that's what they are) paints over the road numbers or other identification information on the car, the railroad has no other choice but to take it out of service and at least repaint that information on the car. Like it or not, that costs money to do, which is passed on to us in one way or another eventually(trickle down economics). I really see it as a sign of a sad world when people make excuses for something that is so clearly vandalism with no benefit whatsoever. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:41 PM I don't like it and cannot find any redeeming value with it whatsoever, especailly on trains ........ Other people's property is simply that - others! Kinda feel about it the way I do regarding: (1) Warm beer (2) Wet toilet paper (3) Politically correct thinkers Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 3:25 PM So once more... Graffiti bad. People that paint graffiti bad. Liberals or people that are willing to tolerate it bad. Me and the rest of the anti-graffiti folks on the topic good... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] Hee Hoo! Wow, you really "coasted" far out into left field on that one, buddy! You made a lot of assumptions about me without ever knowing me. Your babbling proved intriguing to read, but please leave your paranoid ranting and creepy "liberal conspiracy" agendas out of the topic next time. "Mind expanding drugs"...wow. Where'd you get that one? Well, if I wasn't so prone to logic, I might be liable to make some assumptions about you, too - maybe stating something about how you're probably quite an old, cranky, and joyless fellow, maybe a bit paranoid, maybe a bit too plugged in on the Fox News, maybe not the happiest person on this forum. This was originally about graffiti (the legality of which I never argued about nor defended), but you seem to have, in a very Tom Delay-esque style, wanted to turn it into some whiney partisan (or ideological, as you called it, which is actually quite similar) bickering. Oh, I am taunted to play your childish game with you, but I think for now I'll refrain. See, I actually try to act my age, where as you seem, like most juvenile spoiled brats who're stuck in grown men's bodies, to have trouble with that. Contrary to your presumptuous belief that I am somehow a liberal (the thought actually quite nauseates me if you must know), I actually prescribe to the belief of OBJECTIVISM, which is not prescribing nor conforming to a pre-set, partisan code of beliefs, but rather OBJECTIVELY analyzing and deciding for yourself. I see good and bad in both left-wing and right-wing trains of thought. NOthing is ever black and white. You, it seems, prefer to choose the other path, of labeling and name-calling, of sticking to party lines. I know your type, and they do not seem like happy people. They seem rather angry. And they tend to live short lives. All that stress and anger tends to wear on the circulatory system, a bit , you know. Perhaps you're a bit overweight as well. It's a shame, really, that I had to go from trying to offer a contrasting point of view on this subject, to defending myself against an old angry crank like yourself. Please, we should let this thread die. And in the future, lets try to exchange thoughts about this in a MATURE manner, without the presumptions and name-calling from both sides. It doesn't always hurt so much to act one's age. -joe Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:14 PM Recently I saw a lead eng on a BNSF which on the condrs side, the entire BNSF on the eng body was painted over by junk. Made me sick just to look at it. I would like to take whoever did it and wrap their head in a vise and squeez it shut. On a unrelated note, about 10 yrs ago there was a yd crew in KS which spray painted '2 dead crew' on a brand new private firm lease hopper car. It did not take much fact finding to discover who did it. They were warned not to do it again. Some of the junk painted on rolling stock is inside jobs coming from rr people themselves. Quite sad. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:01 AM Well I for one sort of enjoy it as a railfan & see what some fertile minds may create. Like the auto racker I saw painted with a hugh #5 in tribute I guess for the driver who got likked at Daytona[:p][:)] Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] Whatever anybody else may say since RR cars are usually in the open air subject to rain, snow, wind, sand storms, etc common sense would say the more coats of paint you have on something the less likely is it will rust. [:o)][:D] Peace in the end you & I & all on this board can do nothing to change it so why worry about it? [:p][:)][:D] I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Originally posted by ben10ben Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. The best thing to do is just call the police and report it, and let them sneak up on the taggers and catch them in the act. trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:32 PM There you go set up a sting & catch them in the act. Much better then moaning & groaning about something that nobody on this board can correct. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ben10ben Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Frankfort, Kentucky 1,758 posts Posted by ben10ben on Saturday, April 9, 2005 11:28 AM Those of you saying that graffitti prolongs the life of the car would do well to read the post on page 1 by AntonioFP45. In addition, if a vandal(yes, that's what they are) paints over the road numbers or other identification information on the car, the railroad has no other choice but to take it out of service and at least repaint that information on the car. Like it or not, that costs money to do, which is passed on to us in one way or another eventually(trickle down economics). I really see it as a sign of a sad world when people make excuses for something that is so clearly vandalism with no benefit whatsoever. Ben TCA 09-63474 Reply siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:41 PM I don't like it and cannot find any redeeming value with it whatsoever, especailly on trains ........ Other people's property is simply that - others! Kinda feel about it the way I do regarding: (1) Warm beer (2) Wet toilet paper (3) Politically correct thinkers Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 3:25 PM So once more... Graffiti bad. People that paint graffiti bad. Liberals or people that are willing to tolerate it bad. Me and the rest of the anti-graffiti folks on the topic good... trainluver1 Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 9:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox]
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster
Originally posted by ben10ben Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you. The best thing to do is just call the police and report it, and let them sneak up on the taggers and catch them in the act. trainluver1 Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:32 PM There you go set up a sting & catch them in the act. Much better then moaning & groaning about something that nobody on this board can correct. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)]
QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Also if as you say it was such a bane they why does not the RR remove it? [:p][:)] This may be true for freight cars,, but passenger trains are a whole other story. Many European railways have adopted a zero tolerance policy for their rolling stock, and it costs them millions a year to remove it. QUOTE: I do have a suggestion also if it bothers you & others as much as you posted o this forum why not stake out your local railyard & catch the painter & make a citizens arrest? [:D][:o)] Try this and you're likely to get the crap beat out of you.
Originally posted by trainluver1 Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox] you both have some issues... but if your going to call this fellow a liberal, well call you a nazi. theres only one way of doing things.... right? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:34 AM Amazing the verbage this thread gets when nobody typing the words in this forum can doing ANYTHING to change the situation. [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by San Diego Coaster QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by joeyalone Wishing for somebody else's death...Now there's something I like to hear a grown man saying. Not so much wishing. It's more a matter of risk. If you do something risky, with no real "value to society", that could cause your death, you have no one to blame but yourself. Taggers who get injured/killed on the trains they deface 'did it to themselves' by intentionally doing risky things. Misjudged when the train would move? Oh well. Maybe if the coroner could list "Careless Stupidity" on the death certificate it might change things. The risk to one's life here, however, is not painting graffiti so much as it is hanging around a train yard when you're not very knowledgeable about the workings of trains, or for that matter, you're not being very cautious and aware of your surroundings. This is a topic that so many of you feel rather passionate about, and that's why I keep bringing it up - not so much to speak on the behalf of some of the little wieners who do this (though some of their work does look rather nice), but rather to try and understand the vile hatred that this conjures up in some of you, especially when most people on this forum haven't the faintest bit of understanding as to why people do this, or the diversity of the type of people who do this, nor what motivates them. And to hear people praising the death of kids that do this - I'm sorry but it makes that person sound like a pr*ck. I'm not the biggest fan of graffiti, but then again I'm not too happy about freeways and wal-marts and tacky strip malls blighting my surroundings and visual environment either. But it seems just as pointless to me, for me to get so passionately angry about the existence of strip-malls and wal-marts and freeways (whose worth to society many people would contest and demean, just as you contest and demean the worth of graffiti art), as it does for you guys to so virulently hate graffiti on railroad cars. IT's around, live with it. GEt off your high horse. If graffiti is on somehow's house (rare) or storefront, that's another story, but I don't mind it so much on the railroad. Me personally, I'd much rather see some colorful and skillfully done graffiti lettering on a railroad car as opposed to just a bland and boring "GATX". Railroad emblems certainly aren't what they used to be. So please, stop whining and angrily preaching on your soapbox. You sound like a bunch of cranky five year olds. Why people get upset about graffiti has already been explained, but you seem slow so I'll explain it again. Graffiti is vandalism. Vandalism of other people's property is a crime. It is rational for people to be upset with crime and criminals. The economic impact of graffiti has already been stated and I won't go into it further, but you seem to have an indifferent attitude about it. Also, vandalism is immoral. These are a few of the reasons why people get upset about graffiti. Now I know liberals like you don't like thinking about morality because it forces you to make decisions about right and wrong. You can't equivocate about the right or wrongness of damaging other people's property when you look at it from a moral perspective and this bothers you greatly. And yes, you are a liberal. "Liberal" is not a partisan moniker, like you ignorantly stated, but rather an ideological moniker. However, if liberal bothers you I can call you a left winger or a progressive instead. Comparing graffiti to Walmarts is just stupid. The people who built those buildings did so legally. It is their property to do as they please. If they want a Walmart, they can go ahead and build one. Walmarts and graffiti are as similar as apples and chimpanzees. So you want to "understand" the mindset of vandals? Do you also want to understand why Bin Laden wants to kill you? If we all listened to you liberals, we would never ever protect our country, property or lives from those who want to do harm. You have a dangerous mindset of being permissive of those who damage society while ridiculing those who are offended by such behavior. Why don't you go back to your "mind expanding" drugs and leave the people who want a better world alone. [soapbox]
Originally posted by track walker Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by San Diego Coaster Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by joeyalone Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by MP57313 Originally posted by joeyalone Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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