Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 1, 2005 6:32 PM Gee and when I worked in the station got two dollars to wa***he car and that included vacuuming, washing the windows inside and out, and hand washing the car and using a shammy cloth to wipe it down after. And we also cleaned the dash and washed any floor mats separately all for the 2.00. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 1, 2005 9:56 PM passengerfan....Can relate to all you mention...and it sounds like your owner wanted a neat and clean business...A good way to keep it. Spbed.....I would imagine the clean up detailing and wax service I was discribing in my earlier post is now over 100 dollars..... Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 2, 2005 6:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Leon Silverman Saudi Arabia agreement to raise oil production will have absolutely no effect on gas prices here since we have no excess refining capacity available to handle the added supplies. This is why Bush has already stated that he cannot do anything that will lower gas prices for the short term. He keeps saying that, but he and Congress could get rid of the Federal taxes on fuels. Not only would that help consumers, it would give the economy a good kick in the pants. The Federal Trust funds are just bogus accounting gimmicks anyway, and his energy bill is just more corporate welfare for his Texas oil buddies. If one really believes in free-markets, high prices lead to people buying more efficient cars, automakers building more efficient cars, and oil companies plowing those record profits into exploration and production. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, May 2, 2005 7:40 AM Actually what the Saudi said no matter if they raise production it will be eaten up by China & India as there demand is growing quickly. Yes GWB did mention that no new refining facilities has been built since 76 here. [:(][:(] Originally posted by up829 Originally posted by Leon Silverman Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 2, 2005 5:52 PM Our local paper had article on California refineries this AM said their are only two California refineries that refine Alaska Crude. One of these is in Richmond the other is at San Pedro. Washington State also has two refineries that refine Alaska Crude. That amounts to about two tankers a week to each refinery and the balance of the tankers loading Alaska Crude are transporting it to Japan. Japan has maor refineries to handle and refine Alaska Crude then we do. The Japanese in turn transport Saudi Crude to U.S. Refineries on both coasts. Apparently Alaska Crude requires special refinerery equipment to be processed to gasoline and Saudi Crude does not. Another source of crude oil for California refineries is that oil found in the Santa Barbara Channel and their is a ban on any additional drilling their thanks to the Enviromental wackos. Santa Barbara Oil like Saudi Crude can be refined by any U.S. refinery. Maybe when gasoline reaches 5.00 per gallon these wackos will let additional offshore rigs into the Santa Barbara Channel. The other large reserves in California are located at Signal Hill but this oil is all consigned to the U.S. Navy. Instead of listening to Presidents Carter and Clinton we should have listened to Reagan who advocated an all nuclear Navy and then we would not need the Signal Hill oil instead we could be pumping it into our cars today keeping gasoline prices reasonable. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:53 AM I don't think the number of refineries is really a big issue. The oil companies seem to prefer consolidating and expanding the ones they have, rather than building new ones. They need to be located near ports or piplines, so building one on an Air Force base in North Dakota doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. There's a refinery complex near here in Lockport. and many of the smaller operators within it have shutdown and are abandoned, so there's plenty of room and infrastructure for the 2 majors that are left to expand production. Another part of the refining problem is the 20+ variations of mandated 'clean-burning' fuels, many of which are based on patents held by Union Oil and require royalty payments. From a long-term strategic point of view, it makes more sense to pump the middle east dry while keeping our reserves in the ground for the future, especially since right now oil is an international business. I think the real reason we're in Iraq and staying cozy with the Saudi's is fear the middle east will say screw the west and cut a seperate deal with China and Russia. I doubt the Navy uses enough oil to even make a dent, but oil for heating homes could be easily replaced by natural gas or electricity. Natural gas would be more plentiful if the utilities would stop burning it to make electriciy and used coal & nuclear instead. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:13 AM As I have said many times we have to start a national project similar to the Manhattan project of the 40s or the moon program of the 60s to become self sufficent as soon as possible since as China/India demands for oil increases which will only mean higher & higher prices for our gasoline. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by up829 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 7:48 PM At last our Governor who if anyone doesn't know drives a Humvee belies it is time to get behind rail travel in the Golden State. And he is calling for 110 mile per hour trains operating throughout the state within fiove yerars and 160 mph trains in ten years. Sure will beat traveling the freeways at 39 mph average as we do today in the LA area and SF areas. Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:59 PM Well, here's a little bit of good news (for me anyway), I filled up in Aurora, IL on Friday for $2.25 per and then again this evening in Springfield, IL for $2.01 per! Headed for St. Louis Thursday afternoon and will report back from there. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:16 PM Oh, oh in trading today oil is rising again. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:52 PM Thank the Chinese I understand they will buy whatever they can get on the more expensive spot market and any Saudi increase in production their industrial needs will take. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, May 7, 2005 8:14 AM Yes that is exactly what the Saudi minister said. He also included India with China though. [:D][:p] The way GWB has POed Putin if Russia did not need the cashola so badly Putin would have probably cut us off & laughed as the price really spiked! [:(][:(] Originally posted by passengerfan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM This week I filled up in Aurora before leaving for Springfield and St. Louis and paid $2.23 in Aurora then filled again in Springfield at $1.99 per and then again on Friday afternoon on way back from St. Louis at the same Springfield station off the interstate and this time paid $2.08 per (higher due to weekend approaching no doubt but still lots less than in Aurora with our regional transportation taxes to pay for METRA and PACE train and bus services. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:46 PM Isn't developing the Rocky Mountain Shale Oil beginning to look more tempting with no idea where oil prices are going but up. The Canadians are having success with the Athabaska Tar sands oil so i guess it is only a matter of time until we take a second look at the Shale oil. Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:05 PM JUst on our local news that one of the Bay area refineries is shutting down for annual cleaning and service so gasoline prices will remain high. Reply motor Member sinceDecember 2001 102 posts Posted by motor on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Don't forget the Free "Esso Road Maps"...that now cost $$$. My favorite Esso/Exxon map was the New Jersey map. Esso/Exxon had the best maps, with the possible exception of AAA. motor Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:07 PM ....Esso road maps were very good ones...plain and easy to read....and we used to get them by the box full for giving out to our customers free.....Good Esso service. I'm talking late 30's and 40's {after the war}....and into the 50's too..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:10 PM ....By the way, I noticed our gasoline dropped to 2.00 today...and if it doesn't spike back up tomorrow we may see it break back down into the 1.99 range or less...It'll be interesting to watch. Hasn't been below 2.00 for quite a while now....{Muncie, In.}. Quentin Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:00 PM We had a case of a guy in Stockyon dring his pickup into closed stationa at night putting his hood up like he was having a problem and breaking the lock off an underground storage tank and filling a 200 gallon tank he had in the bed of his pickup. He then sold the gasoline for 1.50 a gallon to his neighbors. One service station owner who was robbed said he should have gotten a least 2.00 a gallon. He was caught when a neighbor who saw the hood up thought it was suspicious that he was at the back of the pickup and phoned Police. He had robbed several closed stations over the last several weeks. Guess he won't have to worry about the price of gasoline for about the next five years at least. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:09 PM ....1.98 Muncie today. Quentin Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:56 AM Whooo hoooo 1.99 yay Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:55 AM You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:27 AM Morning paper says oil prices will be felt at grocery stores at harvest time. Last year the price of oil was $35.00 a barrel at this time and this year it is $55.00 a barrel. Many local farmers say that this may be their last year in business if oil prices don't stabilize. Many of the farmers in the area that grow tomatos for sauce and paste production say that if they don't receive substantially more than last year for their crops they won't be around next year as a result of the oil prices. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Typical "Snake Oil" pitch. The only published paper is missing: -statistical analysis -engine dynamometer testing -no evidence that the testing is blind Dynamomoter testing would be the FIRST step in testing a fuel additive. Lack of statistical analysis, particularly when doing over the road testing is a sure sign of either incompetence or bias. There is nothing new under the sun - particularly w.r.t. a fuel additive that will improve efficiency 10-35%! Save your money for the purchase of actual BTUs! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:30 AM Typical skeptic Don, my m.p.g. average is up 20%. You can use any facts and figures you like, only one that matters to me is in my wallet! Stew Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:21 AM If you want a 30 percent increase in gas mileage, buy a diesel car.... Instead of around 30 mpg highway you'll get over 40 mpg.... Volkswagen Passats, Jettas, Beetles, and Golfs have TDI diesel engines.... A year ago it seemed like diesel was cheaper than unleaded, now it appears diesel fuel is more expensive, but you'll still be ahead due to the increased gas mileage..... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:37 AM I get about 10% better mileage by filling up in Wisconsin, outside the Chicago & Milwaukee regional areas and avoiding the reformulated gas used here. If I understand it correctly, oxegenated gas really only benefits emissions in cars older than ~10 years and heavier gasoline burning trucks. In newer cars the computer controls the mixture based on O2 in the exhaust so more O2 equals a richer mixture. In addition the energy content per gallon of reformulated gas is probably lower and the price is higher. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 AM ...Yesterday: 1.97.....Today at some locations here: 2.19 Quentin Reply « First«78910111213 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Leon Silverman Saudi Arabia agreement to raise oil production will have absolutely no effect on gas prices here since we have no excess refining capacity available to handle the added supplies. This is why Bush has already stated that he cannot do anything that will lower gas prices for the short term.
Originally posted by up829 Originally posted by Leon Silverman Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 2, 2005 5:52 PM Our local paper had article on California refineries this AM said their are only two California refineries that refine Alaska Crude. One of these is in Richmond the other is at San Pedro. Washington State also has two refineries that refine Alaska Crude. That amounts to about two tankers a week to each refinery and the balance of the tankers loading Alaska Crude are transporting it to Japan. Japan has maor refineries to handle and refine Alaska Crude then we do. The Japanese in turn transport Saudi Crude to U.S. Refineries on both coasts. Apparently Alaska Crude requires special refinerery equipment to be processed to gasoline and Saudi Crude does not. Another source of crude oil for California refineries is that oil found in the Santa Barbara Channel and their is a ban on any additional drilling their thanks to the Enviromental wackos. Santa Barbara Oil like Saudi Crude can be refined by any U.S. refinery. Maybe when gasoline reaches 5.00 per gallon these wackos will let additional offshore rigs into the Santa Barbara Channel. The other large reserves in California are located at Signal Hill but this oil is all consigned to the U.S. Navy. Instead of listening to Presidents Carter and Clinton we should have listened to Reagan who advocated an all nuclear Navy and then we would not need the Signal Hill oil instead we could be pumping it into our cars today keeping gasoline prices reasonable. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:53 AM I don't think the number of refineries is really a big issue. The oil companies seem to prefer consolidating and expanding the ones they have, rather than building new ones. They need to be located near ports or piplines, so building one on an Air Force base in North Dakota doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. There's a refinery complex near here in Lockport. and many of the smaller operators within it have shutdown and are abandoned, so there's plenty of room and infrastructure for the 2 majors that are left to expand production. Another part of the refining problem is the 20+ variations of mandated 'clean-burning' fuels, many of which are based on patents held by Union Oil and require royalty payments. From a long-term strategic point of view, it makes more sense to pump the middle east dry while keeping our reserves in the ground for the future, especially since right now oil is an international business. I think the real reason we're in Iraq and staying cozy with the Saudi's is fear the middle east will say screw the west and cut a seperate deal with China and Russia. I doubt the Navy uses enough oil to even make a dent, but oil for heating homes could be easily replaced by natural gas or electricity. Natural gas would be more plentiful if the utilities would stop burning it to make electriciy and used coal & nuclear instead. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:13 AM As I have said many times we have to start a national project similar to the Manhattan project of the 40s or the moon program of the 60s to become self sufficent as soon as possible since as China/India demands for oil increases which will only mean higher & higher prices for our gasoline. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by up829 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 7:48 PM At last our Governor who if anyone doesn't know drives a Humvee belies it is time to get behind rail travel in the Golden State. And he is calling for 110 mile per hour trains operating throughout the state within fiove yerars and 160 mph trains in ten years. Sure will beat traveling the freeways at 39 mph average as we do today in the LA area and SF areas. Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:59 PM Well, here's a little bit of good news (for me anyway), I filled up in Aurora, IL on Friday for $2.25 per and then again this evening in Springfield, IL for $2.01 per! Headed for St. Louis Thursday afternoon and will report back from there. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:16 PM Oh, oh in trading today oil is rising again. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:52 PM Thank the Chinese I understand they will buy whatever they can get on the more expensive spot market and any Saudi increase in production their industrial needs will take. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, May 7, 2005 8:14 AM Yes that is exactly what the Saudi minister said. He also included India with China though. [:D][:p] The way GWB has POed Putin if Russia did not need the cashola so badly Putin would have probably cut us off & laughed as the price really spiked! [:(][:(] Originally posted by passengerfan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM This week I filled up in Aurora before leaving for Springfield and St. Louis and paid $2.23 in Aurora then filled again in Springfield at $1.99 per and then again on Friday afternoon on way back from St. Louis at the same Springfield station off the interstate and this time paid $2.08 per (higher due to weekend approaching no doubt but still lots less than in Aurora with our regional transportation taxes to pay for METRA and PACE train and bus services. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:46 PM Isn't developing the Rocky Mountain Shale Oil beginning to look more tempting with no idea where oil prices are going but up. The Canadians are having success with the Athabaska Tar sands oil so i guess it is only a matter of time until we take a second look at the Shale oil. Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:05 PM JUst on our local news that one of the Bay area refineries is shutting down for annual cleaning and service so gasoline prices will remain high. Reply motor Member sinceDecember 2001 102 posts Posted by motor on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Don't forget the Free "Esso Road Maps"...that now cost $$$. My favorite Esso/Exxon map was the New Jersey map. Esso/Exxon had the best maps, with the possible exception of AAA. motor Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:07 PM ....Esso road maps were very good ones...plain and easy to read....and we used to get them by the box full for giving out to our customers free.....Good Esso service. I'm talking late 30's and 40's {after the war}....and into the 50's too..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:10 PM ....By the way, I noticed our gasoline dropped to 2.00 today...and if it doesn't spike back up tomorrow we may see it break back down into the 1.99 range or less...It'll be interesting to watch. Hasn't been below 2.00 for quite a while now....{Muncie, In.}. Quentin Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:00 PM We had a case of a guy in Stockyon dring his pickup into closed stationa at night putting his hood up like he was having a problem and breaking the lock off an underground storage tank and filling a 200 gallon tank he had in the bed of his pickup. He then sold the gasoline for 1.50 a gallon to his neighbors. One service station owner who was robbed said he should have gotten a least 2.00 a gallon. He was caught when a neighbor who saw the hood up thought it was suspicious that he was at the back of the pickup and phoned Police. He had robbed several closed stations over the last several weeks. Guess he won't have to worry about the price of gasoline for about the next five years at least. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:09 PM ....1.98 Muncie today. Quentin Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:56 AM Whooo hoooo 1.99 yay Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:55 AM You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:27 AM Morning paper says oil prices will be felt at grocery stores at harvest time. Last year the price of oil was $35.00 a barrel at this time and this year it is $55.00 a barrel. Many local farmers say that this may be their last year in business if oil prices don't stabilize. Many of the farmers in the area that grow tomatos for sauce and paste production say that if they don't receive substantially more than last year for their crops they won't be around next year as a result of the oil prices. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Typical "Snake Oil" pitch. The only published paper is missing: -statistical analysis -engine dynamometer testing -no evidence that the testing is blind Dynamomoter testing would be the FIRST step in testing a fuel additive. Lack of statistical analysis, particularly when doing over the road testing is a sure sign of either incompetence or bias. There is nothing new under the sun - particularly w.r.t. a fuel additive that will improve efficiency 10-35%! Save your money for the purchase of actual BTUs! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:30 AM Typical skeptic Don, my m.p.g. average is up 20%. You can use any facts and figures you like, only one that matters to me is in my wallet! Stew Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:21 AM If you want a 30 percent increase in gas mileage, buy a diesel car.... Instead of around 30 mpg highway you'll get over 40 mpg.... Volkswagen Passats, Jettas, Beetles, and Golfs have TDI diesel engines.... A year ago it seemed like diesel was cheaper than unleaded, now it appears diesel fuel is more expensive, but you'll still be ahead due to the increased gas mileage..... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:37 AM I get about 10% better mileage by filling up in Wisconsin, outside the Chicago & Milwaukee regional areas and avoiding the reformulated gas used here. If I understand it correctly, oxegenated gas really only benefits emissions in cars older than ~10 years and heavier gasoline burning trucks. In newer cars the computer controls the mixture based on O2 in the exhaust so more O2 equals a richer mixture. In addition the energy content per gallon of reformulated gas is probably lower and the price is higher. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 AM ...Yesterday: 1.97.....Today at some locations here: 2.19 Quentin Reply « First«78910111213 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by Leon Silverman Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 2, 2005 5:52 PM Our local paper had article on California refineries this AM said their are only two California refineries that refine Alaska Crude. One of these is in Richmond the other is at San Pedro. Washington State also has two refineries that refine Alaska Crude. That amounts to about two tankers a week to each refinery and the balance of the tankers loading Alaska Crude are transporting it to Japan. Japan has maor refineries to handle and refine Alaska Crude then we do. The Japanese in turn transport Saudi Crude to U.S. Refineries on both coasts. Apparently Alaska Crude requires special refinerery equipment to be processed to gasoline and Saudi Crude does not. Another source of crude oil for California refineries is that oil found in the Santa Barbara Channel and their is a ban on any additional drilling their thanks to the Enviromental wackos. Santa Barbara Oil like Saudi Crude can be refined by any U.S. refinery. Maybe when gasoline reaches 5.00 per gallon these wackos will let additional offshore rigs into the Santa Barbara Channel. The other large reserves in California are located at Signal Hill but this oil is all consigned to the U.S. Navy. Instead of listening to Presidents Carter and Clinton we should have listened to Reagan who advocated an all nuclear Navy and then we would not need the Signal Hill oil instead we could be pumping it into our cars today keeping gasoline prices reasonable. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:53 AM I don't think the number of refineries is really a big issue. The oil companies seem to prefer consolidating and expanding the ones they have, rather than building new ones. They need to be located near ports or piplines, so building one on an Air Force base in North Dakota doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. There's a refinery complex near here in Lockport. and many of the smaller operators within it have shutdown and are abandoned, so there's plenty of room and infrastructure for the 2 majors that are left to expand production. Another part of the refining problem is the 20+ variations of mandated 'clean-burning' fuels, many of which are based on patents held by Union Oil and require royalty payments. From a long-term strategic point of view, it makes more sense to pump the middle east dry while keeping our reserves in the ground for the future, especially since right now oil is an international business. I think the real reason we're in Iraq and staying cozy with the Saudi's is fear the middle east will say screw the west and cut a seperate deal with China and Russia. I doubt the Navy uses enough oil to even make a dent, but oil for heating homes could be easily replaced by natural gas or electricity. Natural gas would be more plentiful if the utilities would stop burning it to make electriciy and used coal & nuclear instead. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:13 AM As I have said many times we have to start a national project similar to the Manhattan project of the 40s or the moon program of the 60s to become self sufficent as soon as possible since as China/India demands for oil increases which will only mean higher & higher prices for our gasoline. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by up829 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 7:48 PM At last our Governor who if anyone doesn't know drives a Humvee belies it is time to get behind rail travel in the Golden State. And he is calling for 110 mile per hour trains operating throughout the state within fiove yerars and 160 mph trains in ten years. Sure will beat traveling the freeways at 39 mph average as we do today in the LA area and SF areas. Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:59 PM Well, here's a little bit of good news (for me anyway), I filled up in Aurora, IL on Friday for $2.25 per and then again this evening in Springfield, IL for $2.01 per! Headed for St. Louis Thursday afternoon and will report back from there. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:16 PM Oh, oh in trading today oil is rising again. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:52 PM Thank the Chinese I understand they will buy whatever they can get on the more expensive spot market and any Saudi increase in production their industrial needs will take. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, May 7, 2005 8:14 AM Yes that is exactly what the Saudi minister said. He also included India with China though. [:D][:p] The way GWB has POed Putin if Russia did not need the cashola so badly Putin would have probably cut us off & laughed as the price really spiked! [:(][:(] Originally posted by passengerfan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM This week I filled up in Aurora before leaving for Springfield and St. Louis and paid $2.23 in Aurora then filled again in Springfield at $1.99 per and then again on Friday afternoon on way back from St. Louis at the same Springfield station off the interstate and this time paid $2.08 per (higher due to weekend approaching no doubt but still lots less than in Aurora with our regional transportation taxes to pay for METRA and PACE train and bus services. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:46 PM Isn't developing the Rocky Mountain Shale Oil beginning to look more tempting with no idea where oil prices are going but up. The Canadians are having success with the Athabaska Tar sands oil so i guess it is only a matter of time until we take a second look at the Shale oil. Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:05 PM JUst on our local news that one of the Bay area refineries is shutting down for annual cleaning and service so gasoline prices will remain high. Reply motor Member sinceDecember 2001 102 posts Posted by motor on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Don't forget the Free "Esso Road Maps"...that now cost $$$. My favorite Esso/Exxon map was the New Jersey map. Esso/Exxon had the best maps, with the possible exception of AAA. motor Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:07 PM ....Esso road maps were very good ones...plain and easy to read....and we used to get them by the box full for giving out to our customers free.....Good Esso service. I'm talking late 30's and 40's {after the war}....and into the 50's too..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:10 PM ....By the way, I noticed our gasoline dropped to 2.00 today...and if it doesn't spike back up tomorrow we may see it break back down into the 1.99 range or less...It'll be interesting to watch. Hasn't been below 2.00 for quite a while now....{Muncie, In.}. Quentin Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:00 PM We had a case of a guy in Stockyon dring his pickup into closed stationa at night putting his hood up like he was having a problem and breaking the lock off an underground storage tank and filling a 200 gallon tank he had in the bed of his pickup. He then sold the gasoline for 1.50 a gallon to his neighbors. One service station owner who was robbed said he should have gotten a least 2.00 a gallon. He was caught when a neighbor who saw the hood up thought it was suspicious that he was at the back of the pickup and phoned Police. He had robbed several closed stations over the last several weeks. Guess he won't have to worry about the price of gasoline for about the next five years at least. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:09 PM ....1.98 Muncie today. Quentin Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:56 AM Whooo hoooo 1.99 yay Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:55 AM You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:27 AM Morning paper says oil prices will be felt at grocery stores at harvest time. Last year the price of oil was $35.00 a barrel at this time and this year it is $55.00 a barrel. Many local farmers say that this may be their last year in business if oil prices don't stabilize. Many of the farmers in the area that grow tomatos for sauce and paste production say that if they don't receive substantially more than last year for their crops they won't be around next year as a result of the oil prices. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Typical "Snake Oil" pitch. The only published paper is missing: -statistical analysis -engine dynamometer testing -no evidence that the testing is blind Dynamomoter testing would be the FIRST step in testing a fuel additive. Lack of statistical analysis, particularly when doing over the road testing is a sure sign of either incompetence or bias. There is nothing new under the sun - particularly w.r.t. a fuel additive that will improve efficiency 10-35%! Save your money for the purchase of actual BTUs! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:30 AM Typical skeptic Don, my m.p.g. average is up 20%. You can use any facts and figures you like, only one that matters to me is in my wallet! Stew Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:21 AM If you want a 30 percent increase in gas mileage, buy a diesel car.... Instead of around 30 mpg highway you'll get over 40 mpg.... Volkswagen Passats, Jettas, Beetles, and Golfs have TDI diesel engines.... A year ago it seemed like diesel was cheaper than unleaded, now it appears diesel fuel is more expensive, but you'll still be ahead due to the increased gas mileage..... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:37 AM I get about 10% better mileage by filling up in Wisconsin, outside the Chicago & Milwaukee regional areas and avoiding the reformulated gas used here. If I understand it correctly, oxegenated gas really only benefits emissions in cars older than ~10 years and heavier gasoline burning trucks. In newer cars the computer controls the mixture based on O2 in the exhaust so more O2 equals a richer mixture. In addition the energy content per gallon of reformulated gas is probably lower and the price is higher. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 AM ...Yesterday: 1.97.....Today at some locations here: 2.19 Quentin Reply « First«78910111213 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by up829 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 7:48 PM At last our Governor who if anyone doesn't know drives a Humvee belies it is time to get behind rail travel in the Golden State. And he is calling for 110 mile per hour trains operating throughout the state within fiove yerars and 160 mph trains in ten years. Sure will beat traveling the freeways at 39 mph average as we do today in the LA area and SF areas. Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:59 PM Well, here's a little bit of good news (for me anyway), I filled up in Aurora, IL on Friday for $2.25 per and then again this evening in Springfield, IL for $2.01 per! Headed for St. Louis Thursday afternoon and will report back from there. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:16 PM Oh, oh in trading today oil is rising again. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:52 PM Thank the Chinese I understand they will buy whatever they can get on the more expensive spot market and any Saudi increase in production their industrial needs will take. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, May 7, 2005 8:14 AM Yes that is exactly what the Saudi minister said. He also included India with China though. [:D][:p] The way GWB has POed Putin if Russia did not need the cashola so badly Putin would have probably cut us off & laughed as the price really spiked! [:(][:(] Originally posted by passengerfan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM This week I filled up in Aurora before leaving for Springfield and St. Louis and paid $2.23 in Aurora then filled again in Springfield at $1.99 per and then again on Friday afternoon on way back from St. Louis at the same Springfield station off the interstate and this time paid $2.08 per (higher due to weekend approaching no doubt but still lots less than in Aurora with our regional transportation taxes to pay for METRA and PACE train and bus services. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:46 PM Isn't developing the Rocky Mountain Shale Oil beginning to look more tempting with no idea where oil prices are going but up. The Canadians are having success with the Athabaska Tar sands oil so i guess it is only a matter of time until we take a second look at the Shale oil. Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:05 PM JUst on our local news that one of the Bay area refineries is shutting down for annual cleaning and service so gasoline prices will remain high. Reply motor Member sinceDecember 2001 102 posts Posted by motor on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Don't forget the Free "Esso Road Maps"...that now cost $$$. My favorite Esso/Exxon map was the New Jersey map. Esso/Exxon had the best maps, with the possible exception of AAA. motor Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:07 PM ....Esso road maps were very good ones...plain and easy to read....and we used to get them by the box full for giving out to our customers free.....Good Esso service. I'm talking late 30's and 40's {after the war}....and into the 50's too..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:10 PM ....By the way, I noticed our gasoline dropped to 2.00 today...and if it doesn't spike back up tomorrow we may see it break back down into the 1.99 range or less...It'll be interesting to watch. Hasn't been below 2.00 for quite a while now....{Muncie, In.}. Quentin Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:00 PM We had a case of a guy in Stockyon dring his pickup into closed stationa at night putting his hood up like he was having a problem and breaking the lock off an underground storage tank and filling a 200 gallon tank he had in the bed of his pickup. He then sold the gasoline for 1.50 a gallon to his neighbors. One service station owner who was robbed said he should have gotten a least 2.00 a gallon. He was caught when a neighbor who saw the hood up thought it was suspicious that he was at the back of the pickup and phoned Police. He had robbed several closed stations over the last several weeks. Guess he won't have to worry about the price of gasoline for about the next five years at least. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:09 PM ....1.98 Muncie today. Quentin Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:56 AM Whooo hoooo 1.99 yay Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:55 AM You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:27 AM Morning paper says oil prices will be felt at grocery stores at harvest time. Last year the price of oil was $35.00 a barrel at this time and this year it is $55.00 a barrel. Many local farmers say that this may be their last year in business if oil prices don't stabilize. Many of the farmers in the area that grow tomatos for sauce and paste production say that if they don't receive substantially more than last year for their crops they won't be around next year as a result of the oil prices. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Typical "Snake Oil" pitch. The only published paper is missing: -statistical analysis -engine dynamometer testing -no evidence that the testing is blind Dynamomoter testing would be the FIRST step in testing a fuel additive. Lack of statistical analysis, particularly when doing over the road testing is a sure sign of either incompetence or bias. There is nothing new under the sun - particularly w.r.t. a fuel additive that will improve efficiency 10-35%! Save your money for the purchase of actual BTUs! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:30 AM Typical skeptic Don, my m.p.g. average is up 20%. You can use any facts and figures you like, only one that matters to me is in my wallet! Stew Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:21 AM If you want a 30 percent increase in gas mileage, buy a diesel car.... Instead of around 30 mpg highway you'll get over 40 mpg.... Volkswagen Passats, Jettas, Beetles, and Golfs have TDI diesel engines.... A year ago it seemed like diesel was cheaper than unleaded, now it appears diesel fuel is more expensive, but you'll still be ahead due to the increased gas mileage..... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:37 AM I get about 10% better mileage by filling up in Wisconsin, outside the Chicago & Milwaukee regional areas and avoiding the reformulated gas used here. If I understand it correctly, oxegenated gas really only benefits emissions in cars older than ~10 years and heavier gasoline burning trucks. In newer cars the computer controls the mixture based on O2 in the exhaust so more O2 equals a richer mixture. In addition the energy content per gallon of reformulated gas is probably lower and the price is higher. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 AM ...Yesterday: 1.97.....Today at some locations here: 2.19 Quentin Reply « First«78910111213 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by passengerfan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM This week I filled up in Aurora before leaving for Springfield and St. Louis and paid $2.23 in Aurora then filled again in Springfield at $1.99 per and then again on Friday afternoon on way back from St. Louis at the same Springfield station off the interstate and this time paid $2.08 per (higher due to weekend approaching no doubt but still lots less than in Aurora with our regional transportation taxes to pay for METRA and PACE train and bus services. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:46 PM Isn't developing the Rocky Mountain Shale Oil beginning to look more tempting with no idea where oil prices are going but up. The Canadians are having success with the Athabaska Tar sands oil so i guess it is only a matter of time until we take a second look at the Shale oil. Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:05 PM JUst on our local news that one of the Bay area refineries is shutting down for annual cleaning and service so gasoline prices will remain high. Reply motor Member sinceDecember 2001 102 posts Posted by motor on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Don't forget the Free "Esso Road Maps"...that now cost $$$. My favorite Esso/Exxon map was the New Jersey map. Esso/Exxon had the best maps, with the possible exception of AAA. motor Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:07 PM ....Esso road maps were very good ones...plain and easy to read....and we used to get them by the box full for giving out to our customers free.....Good Esso service. I'm talking late 30's and 40's {after the war}....and into the 50's too..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:10 PM ....By the way, I noticed our gasoline dropped to 2.00 today...and if it doesn't spike back up tomorrow we may see it break back down into the 1.99 range or less...It'll be interesting to watch. Hasn't been below 2.00 for quite a while now....{Muncie, In.}. Quentin Reply passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:00 PM We had a case of a guy in Stockyon dring his pickup into closed stationa at night putting his hood up like he was having a problem and breaking the lock off an underground storage tank and filling a 200 gallon tank he had in the bed of his pickup. He then sold the gasoline for 1.50 a gallon to his neighbors. One service station owner who was robbed said he should have gotten a least 2.00 a gallon. He was caught when a neighbor who saw the hood up thought it was suspicious that he was at the back of the pickup and phoned Police. He had robbed several closed stations over the last several weeks. Guess he won't have to worry about the price of gasoline for about the next five years at least. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:09 PM ....1.98 Muncie today. Quentin Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:56 AM Whooo hoooo 1.99 yay Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:55 AM You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:27 AM Morning paper says oil prices will be felt at grocery stores at harvest time. Last year the price of oil was $35.00 a barrel at this time and this year it is $55.00 a barrel. Many local farmers say that this may be their last year in business if oil prices don't stabilize. Many of the farmers in the area that grow tomatos for sauce and paste production say that if they don't receive substantially more than last year for their crops they won't be around next year as a result of the oil prices. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't. Typical "Snake Oil" pitch. The only published paper is missing: -statistical analysis -engine dynamometer testing -no evidence that the testing is blind Dynamomoter testing would be the FIRST step in testing a fuel additive. Lack of statistical analysis, particularly when doing over the road testing is a sure sign of either incompetence or bias. There is nothing new under the sun - particularly w.r.t. a fuel additive that will improve efficiency 10-35%! Save your money for the purchase of actual BTUs! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:30 AM Typical skeptic Don, my m.p.g. average is up 20%. You can use any facts and figures you like, only one that matters to me is in my wallet! Stew Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:21 AM If you want a 30 percent increase in gas mileage, buy a diesel car.... Instead of around 30 mpg highway you'll get over 40 mpg.... Volkswagen Passats, Jettas, Beetles, and Golfs have TDI diesel engines.... A year ago it seemed like diesel was cheaper than unleaded, now it appears diesel fuel is more expensive, but you'll still be ahead due to the increased gas mileage..... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:37 AM I get about 10% better mileage by filling up in Wisconsin, outside the Chicago & Milwaukee regional areas and avoiding the reformulated gas used here. If I understand it correctly, oxegenated gas really only benefits emissions in cars older than ~10 years and heavier gasoline burning trucks. In newer cars the computer controls the mixture based on O2 in the exhaust so more O2 equals a richer mixture. In addition the energy content per gallon of reformulated gas is probably lower and the price is higher. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 AM ...Yesterday: 1.97.....Today at some locations here: 2.19 Quentin Reply « First«78910111213 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by S.A.Deerfield You guy's want to cut down on your fuel bills go to my web site http://www.stewart.myextremeresearch.com I'm a skeptic and didn't believe until I saw for myself, it works besides you get your money back if it doesn't.
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