Originally posted by mehrlich Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:36 PM The CEO of BP was on TV & said the explosions will not "affect" production. He also said 14 now dead. [:(] Originally posted by mehrlich [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:40 PM Yep you explained perfectly. That is exactly how it worked. Take the G to the chute down the chute then up in flames. Then those econ got involved & the end of the burning came quickly. [:D][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:54 PM ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:49 PM I really hate to see it when a guy is tryng to make an honest living and he gets killed at work. mike Reply Edit TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:07 PM Obviusly burning trash would smoke... but so does coal and gasoline creates toxic fumes. But it can all be burned cleaner including the trash... of coarse this might cost more $$, or perhaps even worse there may not be much $$ to be made, no oil to drill refine and distribute, no coal to dig transport and sell. Reply Grinandbearit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: CANADA 126 posts Posted by Grinandbearit on Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:04 PM Well guys, here in Kingston Ontario, the price of gas just jumped to $ 4.13 ( IMP gal) or about $ 3.54a U.S. gal. Seems it always goes up just before a long weekend. Sure is helping VIA Rail in ridership. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. On CNBC yesterday, a BP spokesman said the explosion occurred in a portion of the plant that was down for spring maintenance, which may also be the reason for the number of deaths. Current production from the rest of the plant wasn't affected, but he didn't give any repair estimates either. . Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 1:41 PM I filled my wifes car up. On 03/13 2.11.9 today $2.23.9 Almost a penny a day from her last fill up Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:05 PM ...Now today in our morning paper it indicates the peak in prices my occur about 2 weeks from now...at 2.30 - 2.45 or so per gallon. They are getting us brain washed to believe when we see {if we ever do}, prices down around 2.05 or so, we'll be getting a bargin and hurry to get our vehicles filled. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:22 PM I think they call that protecting against inflation. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, March 25, 2005 5:14 PM Florida blew out a high speed rail proposal in the last election (2004), and now the gas prices in the Kississimee-Orlando area have passed $2.00. Some years ago they voted down a light rail system in Orlando on the gronds of shop owners on the route protested lost business during the construction phase. I am sure that these owners are done for with increased fuel prices and less money spent in their shops. Sure short term profits are nice, but long term survival is much better with a transit and commuter system. Interstate 4 is so congested and they want to add more lanes, geez. Waste of money when eventually the city and the state will have to add capacity to the rail lines (if it still exists as a through route to Tampa in a decade from now . . . Sure voting with your pocketbooks is nice, but when you (the taxpayer) have to pay for the gas, insurance, and pollution problems, I just think that commuter rail regardless of the costs to build it (within reasonable means) should be built with a future in mind, not past or present woes in "sunny Florida." Matt "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 6:50 PM railroads , truck trailers buisness booming!!! up 11 % over last year and last year trailers set an all time record!!! hope the rrs can handle it all. i remember when diesel fuel was cheaper than gas. why is it more now? saudia arabia aint too happy that we are in iraq. to show that they dont like us there why not make us sweat a little? [:(] God bless our troups!!! Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 AM Well I to am a Floridian & I voted to kill the hi speed Xpress because it was in my mind was another boondoggle that would make some people very, very rich. it is no different then all the $$$$$ to build that other boondoggle in Miami or Tri-rail in which all 3 counties are paying for it with higher gas taxes. You & everbody in the USA must realize that the only way to get oil prices down is become self sufficent. IF & that is a very big IF the xpress would have saved some gas it would be like only a small drop in a very large bucket. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:36 PM The CEO of BP was on TV & said the explosions will not "affect" production. He also said 14 now dead. [:(] Originally posted by mehrlich [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:40 PM Yep you explained perfectly. That is exactly how it worked. Take the G to the chute down the chute then up in flames. Then those econ got involved & the end of the burning came quickly. [:D][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:54 PM ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:49 PM I really hate to see it when a guy is tryng to make an honest living and he gets killed at work. mike Reply Edit TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:07 PM Obviusly burning trash would smoke... but so does coal and gasoline creates toxic fumes. But it can all be burned cleaner including the trash... of coarse this might cost more $$, or perhaps even worse there may not be much $$ to be made, no oil to drill refine and distribute, no coal to dig transport and sell. Reply Grinandbearit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: CANADA 126 posts Posted by Grinandbearit on Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:04 PM Well guys, here in Kingston Ontario, the price of gas just jumped to $ 4.13 ( IMP gal) or about $ 3.54a U.S. gal. Seems it always goes up just before a long weekend. Sure is helping VIA Rail in ridership. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. On CNBC yesterday, a BP spokesman said the explosion occurred in a portion of the plant that was down for spring maintenance, which may also be the reason for the number of deaths. Current production from the rest of the plant wasn't affected, but he didn't give any repair estimates either. . Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 1:41 PM I filled my wifes car up. On 03/13 2.11.9 today $2.23.9 Almost a penny a day from her last fill up Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:05 PM ...Now today in our morning paper it indicates the peak in prices my occur about 2 weeks from now...at 2.30 - 2.45 or so per gallon. They are getting us brain washed to believe when we see {if we ever do}, prices down around 2.05 or so, we'll be getting a bargin and hurry to get our vehicles filled. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:22 PM I think they call that protecting against inflation. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, March 25, 2005 5:14 PM Florida blew out a high speed rail proposal in the last election (2004), and now the gas prices in the Kississimee-Orlando area have passed $2.00. Some years ago they voted down a light rail system in Orlando on the gronds of shop owners on the route protested lost business during the construction phase. I am sure that these owners are done for with increased fuel prices and less money spent in their shops. Sure short term profits are nice, but long term survival is much better with a transit and commuter system. Interstate 4 is so congested and they want to add more lanes, geez. Waste of money when eventually the city and the state will have to add capacity to the rail lines (if it still exists as a through route to Tampa in a decade from now . . . Sure voting with your pocketbooks is nice, but when you (the taxpayer) have to pay for the gas, insurance, and pollution problems, I just think that commuter rail regardless of the costs to build it (within reasonable means) should be built with a future in mind, not past or present woes in "sunny Florida." Matt "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 6:50 PM railroads , truck trailers buisness booming!!! up 11 % over last year and last year trailers set an all time record!!! hope the rrs can handle it all. i remember when diesel fuel was cheaper than gas. why is it more now? saudia arabia aint too happy that we are in iraq. to show that they dont like us there why not make us sweat a little? [:(] God bless our troups!!! Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 AM Well I to am a Floridian & I voted to kill the hi speed Xpress because it was in my mind was another boondoggle that would make some people very, very rich. it is no different then all the $$$$$ to build that other boondoggle in Miami or Tri-rail in which all 3 counties are paying for it with higher gas taxes. You & everbody in the USA must realize that the only way to get oil prices down is become self sufficent. IF & that is a very big IF the xpress would have saved some gas it would be like only a small drop in a very large bucket. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by mehrlich [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:40 PM Yep you explained perfectly. That is exactly how it worked. Take the G to the chute down the chute then up in flames. Then those econ got involved & the end of the burning came quickly. [:D][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:54 PM ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:49 PM I really hate to see it when a guy is tryng to make an honest living and he gets killed at work. mike Reply Edit TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:07 PM Obviusly burning trash would smoke... but so does coal and gasoline creates toxic fumes. But it can all be burned cleaner including the trash... of coarse this might cost more $$, or perhaps even worse there may not be much $$ to be made, no oil to drill refine and distribute, no coal to dig transport and sell. Reply Grinandbearit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: CANADA 126 posts Posted by Grinandbearit on Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:04 PM Well guys, here in Kingston Ontario, the price of gas just jumped to $ 4.13 ( IMP gal) or about $ 3.54a U.S. gal. Seems it always goes up just before a long weekend. Sure is helping VIA Rail in ridership. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. On CNBC yesterday, a BP spokesman said the explosion occurred in a portion of the plant that was down for spring maintenance, which may also be the reason for the number of deaths. Current production from the rest of the plant wasn't affected, but he didn't give any repair estimates either. . Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 1:41 PM I filled my wifes car up. On 03/13 2.11.9 today $2.23.9 Almost a penny a day from her last fill up Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:05 PM ...Now today in our morning paper it indicates the peak in prices my occur about 2 weeks from now...at 2.30 - 2.45 or so per gallon. They are getting us brain washed to believe when we see {if we ever do}, prices down around 2.05 or so, we'll be getting a bargin and hurry to get our vehicles filled. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:22 PM I think they call that protecting against inflation. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, March 25, 2005 5:14 PM Florida blew out a high speed rail proposal in the last election (2004), and now the gas prices in the Kississimee-Orlando area have passed $2.00. Some years ago they voted down a light rail system in Orlando on the gronds of shop owners on the route protested lost business during the construction phase. I am sure that these owners are done for with increased fuel prices and less money spent in their shops. Sure short term profits are nice, but long term survival is much better with a transit and commuter system. Interstate 4 is so congested and they want to add more lanes, geez. Waste of money when eventually the city and the state will have to add capacity to the rail lines (if it still exists as a through route to Tampa in a decade from now . . . Sure voting with your pocketbooks is nice, but when you (the taxpayer) have to pay for the gas, insurance, and pollution problems, I just think that commuter rail regardless of the costs to build it (within reasonable means) should be built with a future in mind, not past or present woes in "sunny Florida." Matt "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 6:50 PM railroads , truck trailers buisness booming!!! up 11 % over last year and last year trailers set an all time record!!! hope the rrs can handle it all. i remember when diesel fuel was cheaper than gas. why is it more now? saudia arabia aint too happy that we are in iraq. to show that they dont like us there why not make us sweat a little? [:(] God bless our troups!!! Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 AM Well I to am a Floridian & I voted to kill the hi speed Xpress because it was in my mind was another boondoggle that would make some people very, very rich. it is no different then all the $$$$$ to build that other boondoggle in Miami or Tri-rail in which all 3 counties are paying for it with higher gas taxes. You & everbody in the USA must realize that the only way to get oil prices down is become self sufficent. IF & that is a very big IF the xpress would have saved some gas it would be like only a small drop in a very large bucket. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:54 PM ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:49 PM I really hate to see it when a guy is tryng to make an honest living and he gets killed at work. mike Reply Edit TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:07 PM Obviusly burning trash would smoke... but so does coal and gasoline creates toxic fumes. But it can all be burned cleaner including the trash... of coarse this might cost more $$, or perhaps even worse there may not be much $$ to be made, no oil to drill refine and distribute, no coal to dig transport and sell. Reply Grinandbearit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: CANADA 126 posts Posted by Grinandbearit on Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:04 PM Well guys, here in Kingston Ontario, the price of gas just jumped to $ 4.13 ( IMP gal) or about $ 3.54a U.S. gal. Seems it always goes up just before a long weekend. Sure is helping VIA Rail in ridership. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 7:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible. On CNBC yesterday, a BP spokesman said the explosion occurred in a portion of the plant that was down for spring maintenance, which may also be the reason for the number of deaths. Current production from the rest of the plant wasn't affected, but he didn't give any repair estimates either. . Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 1:41 PM I filled my wifes car up. On 03/13 2.11.9 today $2.23.9 Almost a penny a day from her last fill up Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:05 PM ...Now today in our morning paper it indicates the peak in prices my occur about 2 weeks from now...at 2.30 - 2.45 or so per gallon. They are getting us brain washed to believe when we see {if we ever do}, prices down around 2.05 or so, we'll be getting a bargin and hurry to get our vehicles filled. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 25, 2005 2:22 PM I think they call that protecting against inflation. [:o)][:)] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, March 25, 2005 5:14 PM Florida blew out a high speed rail proposal in the last election (2004), and now the gas prices in the Kississimee-Orlando area have passed $2.00. Some years ago they voted down a light rail system in Orlando on the gronds of shop owners on the route protested lost business during the construction phase. I am sure that these owners are done for with increased fuel prices and less money spent in their shops. Sure short term profits are nice, but long term survival is much better with a transit and commuter system. Interstate 4 is so congested and they want to add more lanes, geez. Waste of money when eventually the city and the state will have to add capacity to the rail lines (if it still exists as a through route to Tampa in a decade from now . . . Sure voting with your pocketbooks is nice, but when you (the taxpayer) have to pay for the gas, insurance, and pollution problems, I just think that commuter rail regardless of the costs to build it (within reasonable means) should be built with a future in mind, not past or present woes in "sunny Florida." Matt "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 6:50 PM railroads , truck trailers buisness booming!!! up 11 % over last year and last year trailers set an all time record!!! hope the rrs can handle it all. i remember when diesel fuel was cheaper than gas. why is it more now? saudia arabia aint too happy that we are in iraq. to show that they dont like us there why not make us sweat a little? [:(] God bless our troups!!! Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 AM Well I to am a Floridian & I voted to kill the hi speed Xpress because it was in my mind was another boondoggle that would make some people very, very rich. it is no different then all the $$$$$ to build that other boondoggle in Miami or Tri-rail in which all 3 counties are paying for it with higher gas taxes. You & everbody in the USA must realize that the only way to get oil prices down is become self sufficent. IF & that is a very big IF the xpress would have saved some gas it would be like only a small drop in a very large bucket. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I know it use to be done at the apartment house I lived at not for fuel but just to dispose of it. I think along came the people concerned with the econ & the burning was terminated. [:o)][:o)] Originally posted by 440cuin [ FYI Incinerators were VERY common in older apartment buildings in most places in the country. Out here in L.A. I have been in dozens of older buildings that used them, most built in the 1920's or 30's. People would just drop there garbage down a trash chute to a burner in the basement, the only trash cans these buildings had was for tin cans and ashs from the incinerator. Then came the horrible smog problems in the 1960's and 70's , by the mid-70's the incinerators were outlawed, which lead to a cunnundrum for owners who now had to provide large trash bins and a place to store the dumpsters. it can be quite a hastle for a building that doesnt even have any parking for its tenants and for tenant who now have huge smelly trash filled dumsters outside there units. Its not much wonder these buildings now get huge roach infestations [;)]
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....This being the day after the report of that refinery fire in Texas I fully expected to see our gasoline prices take a healthy jump...but to my {great}, surprise it has not...so far at mid afternoon. Understand that plant supported about 3% of the total coming through the system here in the states....Such terrible loss of life at the plant though is terrible.
Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, March 25, 2005 5:14 PM Florida blew out a high speed rail proposal in the last election (2004), and now the gas prices in the Kississimee-Orlando area have passed $2.00. Some years ago they voted down a light rail system in Orlando on the gronds of shop owners on the route protested lost business during the construction phase. I am sure that these owners are done for with increased fuel prices and less money spent in their shops. Sure short term profits are nice, but long term survival is much better with a transit and commuter system. Interstate 4 is so congested and they want to add more lanes, geez. Waste of money when eventually the city and the state will have to add capacity to the rail lines (if it still exists as a through route to Tampa in a decade from now . . . Sure voting with your pocketbooks is nice, but when you (the taxpayer) have to pay for the gas, insurance, and pollution problems, I just think that commuter rail regardless of the costs to build it (within reasonable means) should be built with a future in mind, not past or present woes in "sunny Florida." Matt "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 6:50 PM railroads , truck trailers buisness booming!!! up 11 % over last year and last year trailers set an all time record!!! hope the rrs can handle it all. i remember when diesel fuel was cheaper than gas. why is it more now? saudia arabia aint too happy that we are in iraq. to show that they dont like us there why not make us sweat a little? [:(] God bless our troups!!! Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 AM Well I to am a Floridian & I voted to kill the hi speed Xpress because it was in my mind was another boondoggle that would make some people very, very rich. it is no different then all the $$$$$ to build that other boondoggle in Miami or Tri-rail in which all 3 counties are paying for it with higher gas taxes. You & everbody in the USA must realize that the only way to get oil prices down is become self sufficent. IF & that is a very big IF the xpress would have saved some gas it would be like only a small drop in a very large bucket. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Sterling1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:45 AM http://tinyurl.com/5gahn Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 AM Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:53 PM Well I wonder if most Americans realize that in 10/03 gas in the lower SE was $1.49.9. Today it is $2.23.9. That is a $0.74 increase per gallon in a short period of time. At this juncture somebody using just 15 gallons a week is now paying $11.00 more per week or $44.00 per month of his after tax income just for gas. Then there is the product increase so all & all today it may being costing us over $60.00 per month of our disposal income just for energy.[:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:05 PM James Kunstler is an eternal pessimist. Yes he likes railroads. The road beds are easier to maintain than highways. James Kunstler: “The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more economical to maintain than our highway network.” Of course he said the American railroads are in bad shape: “America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.” Read the story if you didn’t read it from uzurpator. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1111689845570&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.104 This is the original link from uzurpator: http://tinyurl.com/5gahn It is interesting the United States does not have the gasoline station lines of the 1970’s or stations running out of gas. Unlike the 1970’s again there is no Arab oil embargo. Demand is relative stable. Yet we still have spiraling prices based upon the fear of people on the trading commodity boards. The supply remains steady but the nervous few control the price. A recent story in Kansas indicated there is an increase interest drilling for oil in Kansas. Times are good for the oil industry. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:11 PM Yes when it hit $30.00 a BRL I started moving my $$$$$ into energy stocks. I have read that it will get to $70 to $75 per BRL & NEVER decline because OPEC & Russia know we will never reach self sufficency. [:(][:(] Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Adam Interesting article. No doubt there will be postings that say the author is all wrong, partially wrong or might have a point or two. There are probably a large proportion of the American public who just assume that there will be more big oil finds and the good life will just continue. For them, the article is pointless and just another gloom and doom fiction. To me, it suggests that there better be more focus on the preparing for the changes. There are hints in the article that some things could be done if there was the will. Meanwhile, fill 'er up and hit the road! Jay
Originally posted by LRSMITH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:25 PM In Saudi Arabia and some other places the cost of getting the oil out of the ground is pennies on the barrel. Let the profits boom. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:47 PM Peak oil....google it..... Its not so much a shortage if gas, its a shortage of refineries and pipelines too. The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... We built up so much American capacity, no one is interested in investing any more funds to expand it..... What happened in the early 1970s that killed the expansion of our refineries..... DO YOU REMEMBER THE END OF THE OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic..... I keep hearing the last refinery was built in 1976 or 1977 and now 1972. The following quote identified the last refinery built in the United States, “The last refinery built in the United States, the Louisiana Refining Division, began production for the Marathon Oil Company in Garyville, Louisiana, in 1976.” It came from this web site: http://www.rightsided.org/index.php?p=6238 The link within the above site says this: “The facility was built in 1976 and is the last major grassroots refinery built in the United States. Each unit in Garyville was the largest of its type ever constructed at the time of completion and it is the 17th largest refinery in the United States based on crude throughput.” Found at: http://www.mapllc.com/about/garyville.html Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:05 AM Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark The reason why no one in America has expanded or built a new refinery since 1972, you read that corrrect, 1972, is costs..... Its always economic.....
Originally posted by donclark Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:14 PM CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs said they expect oil to hit $100.00 BRL. Right now it is closing in on $56.00 BRL Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:31 PM ouch... Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Well I heard someone on the radio saying he has a "combo" truck & it now costs him $60.00 per fill up & going up! [:(] Originally posted by donclark That guy on that show must have been a real whiner, since when was cheap gas a divine right? I wish I could have called into that show and told him to "fill up and shut up"[;)] If he doesnt like paying $60, get a smaller truck, but please dont whine about how much that little peice of Detroit is costing him, whatta cry baby![:(] BTW $2.35 in the Burbs, $2.65 downtown [:0] Have fun with your trains Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:56 PM ....I filled up our car...{a 3.0L V6} today...Wife doesn't care to do that and since I followed her to the station in my little S-10...I put some in it too and by the posted price I have been hoodwinked into thinking I was getting a bargin here at our location...Was 2.29 now 2.07...Total bill: 36 plus dollars...Probably the most I ever spent at one time at a gas pump. Quentin Reply mucable Member sinceDecember 2001 47 posts Posted by mucable on Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution. I live less than a mile from Chevron/Texaco's biggest refinery east of the Mississippi River. So far they've managed not to torch the whole thing off...but they've had some close ones over the years. Funny thing is it's right on the Gulf of Mexico...probably ticks the environmentalists off every time they drive by don't you think? But the best part of it all is that here in town Chevron gas is two cents pricier than any other brand. Has been that way for years and no one knows why. I suspect they're hauling the locally produced gas to California and bringing the stuff from there back here. The lord only knows how these corporate suits think. Reply « First«45678910»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by LRSMITH Another reason refineries have not been built are the environmental regulations and environmental impact studies that could find one little bug on the endanger species list. Yet another reason refineries are not being built will center on communities who do not want one in their backyard. Yes they will bring economic life to a community but not one wants the pollution.
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