EuclidI was referring to a military cyber-attack that shuts down a significant portion of power, heat, and communications throughout a sizable portion of our country.
Makes me glad I've got ham radio and backup power (including solar)...
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tree68 Euclid I was referring to a military cyber-attack that shuts down a significant portion of power, heat, and communications throughout a sizable portion of our country. Makes me glad I've got ham radio and backup power (including solar)...
Euclid I was referring to a military cyber-attack that shuts down a significant portion of power, heat, and communications throughout a sizable portion of our country.
It's also the reason the Ukrainians planned for and installed a significant back-up system involving land-lines (and things they haven't mentioned) in case of cyber-attacks and radio jamming. It's probably one of the reasons they're doing so well in blunting the Russian offensive.
One other thing with respect to the Ukrainians is that their experience with the Holomodor is likely to give them a much deeper resolve to the defense.
Putin will get more and more ruthless as the fight goes on.
Eventually he will go after electrical infrastructure and water supply infrastructure and will even attempt to starve out the capitol if necessary.
Unfortunately we do not have Berlin airlift capacity nor any control of a sector as we did in Berlin.
Remember, Putin believes the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy. He surely knows the ruthless brutality unleashed on their own people to keep the empire in line over the decades. He won't hesitate to employ the same playbook - he is doing it already.
They just announced they cutoff Russia from SWIFT.....
Flintlock76 It's probably one of the reasons they're doing so well in blunting the Russian offensive.
It's becomming clear to me the Russians were not trained that well in Urban warfare. I cannot believe they are relying on street signs, oldest trick in the book is to move those around to fool an invader or get them lost.
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It's a war in Europe! They tend not to go well. For all of us, they don't go well.
I believe that the US RRs and Canada RRs may have a lot of traffic pushes as some have already posted. We might see as well some DODX cars traveling to outlying small places with you know what. What is it going to take for the next few weeks with all the vacancies in operating, mechanical, and dispatch. How will those vacancies be filled without severe actions?
Maybe deafcon 3
kgbw49 Putin will get more and more ruthless as the fight goes on. Eventually he will go after electrical infrastructure and water supply infrastructure and will even attempt to starve out the capitol if necessary. Unfortunately we do not have Berlin airlift capacity nor any control of a sector as we did in Berlin. Remember, Putin believes the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy. He surely knows the ruthless brutality unleashed on their own people to keep the empire in line over the decades. He won't hesitate to employ the same playbook - he is doing it already.
The Ukrainians say Russia has already tried targeting a dam that holds back much of Kiev's water supply.
Ukraine can't win a conventional war against the might of the Russian military. Everyone seems to agree on that. But they don't have to.
What they can do is keep resisting, gradually transition into a resistance movement, and drag Putin down into an Afghan or Vietnam style quagmire.
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Russia states it's Nuclear Forces placed on high alert.......
See I knew it would escalate quickly and I would not put it past him to attempt a limited exchange. The question is will those around him sit back and watch it happen or remove him from power.
Euclid THE HIDDEN DANGER OF CYBER-ATTACKS This conflict has raised the discussion of cyber warfare in which the intent is to break things rather than just steal classified material or trade secrets. Military grade cyber-attacks can take down infrastructure of power grids, communication, energy distribution, commerce, and transportation. They can be inflicted on large areas, perhaps unlimited in size if enough effort is put into the attack. Cyber-attacks can accomplish this by actual destruction that will take years to rebuild. Cyber-attacks can also be executed with no indication of who committed the attack. In the complex case of war in Europe, there can be many parties with a motivation to launch cyber-attacks on others. There is no way for a person to prepare enough to be shielded from the hardship of a massive military cyber-attack. There can be a motive to launch a cyber-attack on a country and make it look like it was launched by a country other than the one that actually launched it. Cyber-attacks are being studied and discussed in NATO lately, and particularly in relation to this currently developing conflict in Ukraine. As I understand it, NATO has Article 5, which can invoke a demand that all members go to war in order to stop an attack on any one member. Since the U.S. is part of NATO, the invocation through Article 5 could send the U.S. to war along with the other NATO member counties. NATO does recognize cyber-attacks as being an act of war. But the charter is not clearly resolved on this matter, so it is under intense review now. This has brought into focus, the effect of a cyber-attack on any NATO member, and whether it should be considered to be a triggering reason to declare war on the source country of the cyber-attack. In addition to gravity of that dire prospect, there is the problem of not knowing who actually committed the attack. What if the perpetrator was not Russia, for instance? What if the attack was just made to appear to have been committed by Russia? Looking at this in another way, say we were to suffer a massive, crippling cyber-attack on our east coast over say 1/3 of our national land mass. Say we did not know who attacked us. Considering this current climate, who do you think we would suspect and blame? If we could not prove who that was, do you think we would withhold judgement, and not retaliate? If we thought we had enough evidence, we could attack the suspect with bombs and missiles. Or we could opt for a counter attack in the form of a surreptitious cyber-attack on the party we suspected to have attacked us. That method would take the sting out of mistakenly retaliating against the wrong country. No matter if we were right or wrong about our suspicion that we had been attacked by Russia, if we retaliated against them secretly, would they not suspect us just like we suspected them? This is the danger I see with cyber-attacks. It is not just the personal inconvenience they impose on people affected. Instead, it is their ability to grease the skids for an easy starting of war that quickly escalates to the use of bombs and missiles. https://natoassociation.ca/should-cyberattacks-be-considered-an-act-of-war/
He won't go beyond limited Cyber attacks against the United States he knows how quickly that would spin out of control in his homeland. PLus he knows once he deals that card it can't be used again.
Kiev has a Subway? Is it cut and cover or deep bore? What kind of cars do they use and how much of it is underground?
CMStPnP Euclid THE HIDDEN DANGER OF CYBER-ATTACKS This conflict has raised the discussion of cyber warfare in which the intent is to break things rather than just steal classified material or trade secrets. Military grade cyber-attacks can take down infrastructure of power grids, communication, energy distribution, commerce, and transportation. They can be inflicted on large areas, perhaps unlimited in size if enough effort is put into the attack. Cyber-attacks can accomplish this by actual destruction that will take years to rebuild. Cyber-attacks can also be executed with no indication of who committed the attack. In the complex case of war in Europe, there can be many parties with a motivation to launch cyber-attacks on others. There is no way for a person to prepare enough to be shielded from the hardship of a massive military cyber-attack. There can be a motive to launch a cyber-attack on a country and make it look like it was launched by a country other than the one that actually launched it. Cyber-attacks are being studied and discussed in NATO lately, and particularly in relation to this currently developing conflict in Ukraine. As I understand it, NATO has Article 5, which can invoke a demand that all members go to war in order to stop an attack on any one member. Since the U.S. is part of NATO, the invocation through Article 5 could send the U.S. to war along with the other NATO member counties. NATO does recognize cyber-attacks as being an act of war. But the charter is not clearly resolved on this matter, so it is under intense review now. This has brought into focus, the effect of a cyber-attack on any NATO member, and whether it should be considered to be a triggering reason to declare war on the source country of the cyber-attack. In addition to gravity of that dire prospect, there is the problem of not knowing who actually committed the attack. What if the perpetrator was not Russia, for instance? What if the attack was just made to appear to have been committed by Russia? Looking at this in another way, say we were to suffer a massive, crippling cyber-attack on our east coast over say 1/3 of our national land mass. Say we did not know who attacked us. Considering this current climate, who do you think we would suspect and blame? If we could not prove who that was, do you think we would withhold judgement, and not retaliate? If we thought we had enough evidence, we could attack the suspect with bombs and missiles. Or we could opt for a counter attack in the form of a surreptitious cyber-attack on the party we suspected to have attacked us. That method would take the sting out of mistakenly retaliating against the wrong country. No matter if we were right or wrong about our suspicion that we had been attacked by Russia, if we retaliated against them secretly, would they not suspect us just like we suspected them? This is the danger I see with cyber-attacks. It is not just the personal inconvenience they impose on people affected. Instead, it is their ability to grease the skids for an easy starting of war that quickly escalates to the use of bombs and missiles. https://natoassociation.ca/should-cyberattacks-be-considered-an-act-of-war/ He won't go beyond limited Cyber attacks against the United States he knows how quickly that would spin out of control in his homeland. PLus he knows once he deals that card it can't be used again.
I see cyber-attack and/or nuclear exchange to be quite plausible in this situation. Cyber-attack could lead to nuclear war, or nuclear war could result from some other development in this conflict. The point is that although it irrational to use nuclear weapons, rationality goes out the window in time of war. And if Putin has become what many are saying he has, he could be just the person to bring on the unthinkable.
Putin thinks he is Stalin for the 21st Century.
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EuclidMany observers are saying the Putin has lost his grip on reality and become very hateful and paranoid over the last five years.
I started to see things start to go South after his wife divorced him (2014 coincidently when the Ukraine and Syria stuff both started). She wanted to speak out but was muzzled and kept away from the microphones.
Allegedly, Putin cheated on his wife twice, the second time (2014) was the last straw as his mistress was allegedly pregnant with his kid (whom was born in 2015). He has two daughters by his first wife.
He started murmuring about Nuclear war with NATO about 3-4 years ago saying it was an option if Russia was ever backed into a corner and had no way out. Nukes would be his choice to take others down with Russia.
CMStPnP They just announced they cutoff Russia from SWIFT.....
If I'm reading the news right, they cut them off but allowed an exception for energy purchases from Russia. That would seem to take a large "bite" out of the effectiveness of the SWIFT cutoff.
EuclidNow I just found a video from today with Putin saying our sanctions are a criminal act against him, and therefore he is putting his nuclear forces on high alert.
My predictions are no better than anyone elses, so take this for what it's worth.
Only Vlad the Impaler knows what his end-game is and maybe his inner circle, if even they know. But if he tries to pop nukes that'll be the end of him, there'll be a coup d'etat. He may be unstable at this point but the rest of the Russian government and military aren't madmen. If he uses nukes, even the tactical variety, the world changes forever and not for the better. Self-preservation of your life and what you've got is a pretty strong motivator. They'll get rid of him, quick.
CMStPnP Euclid Many observers are saying the Putin has lost his grip on reality and become very hateful and paranoid over the last five years. I started to see things start to go South after his wife divorced him (2014 coincidently when the Ukraine and Syria stuff both started). She wanted to speak out but was muzzled and kept away from the microphones. Allegedly, Putin cheated on his wife twice, the second time (2014) was the last straw as his mistress was allegedly pregnant with his kid (whom was born in 2015). He has two daughters by his first wife. He started murmuring about Nuclear war with NATO about 3-4 years ago saying it was an option if Russia was ever backed into a corner and had no way out. Nukes would be his choice to take others down with Russia.
Euclid Many observers are saying the Putin has lost his grip on reality and become very hateful and paranoid over the last five years.
That could explain his 'cozy' relationship with 45 - a pair of cheaters. Wonder if Putin would think about dating his own daughers?
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Flintlock76 Euclid Now I just found a video from today with Putin saying our sanctions are a criminal act against him, and therefore he is putting his nuclear forces on high alert. My predictions are no better than anyone elses, so take this for what it's worth. Only Vlad the Impaler knows what his end-game is and maybe his inner circle, if even they know. But if he tries to pop nukes that'll be the end of him, there'll be a coup d'etat. He may be unstable at this point but the rest of the Russian government and military aren't madmen. If he uses nukes, even the tactical variety, the world changes forever and not for the better. Self-preservation of your life and what you've got is a pretty strong motivator. They'll get rid of him, quick.
Euclid Now I just found a video from today with Putin saying our sanctions are a criminal act against him, and therefore he is putting his nuclear forces on high alert.
If Putin does launch a nuclear missile on some target, the most heroic and difficult decsion the world has ever known will be a decision by the target entity to not retliate with a nuclear weapon.
BTW, Congress actually planned this out along with the Fed.....what it would mean if several major cities were destroyed at once but they did not say the scenario. They were just looking at how to recover and if we could recover and the side effects of what would happen. It was an interesting CSPAN hearing and it was open to the public.....about 12 or more years ago.
Curious how the railroads would react or if they have done planning on massive traffic reroutes. I think at that point PSR is out the window.
This will not be over quickly.
Russia is setting up to lay siege to Kyiv and other major cities. With no petroleum products, natural gas or food coming in, there is going to be a lot of Russian-created starvation and needless death.
Putin is as ruthless as Stalin and he will use his tactics to achieve his dream of restoring the Soviet Union,
If Putin wants to do the most mischief is to cause the GPS system to shutdown. PTC shuts down and you cannot buy gasoline with credit cards among other items.
Balt: If the PTC shuts down you might get drafted. Back to train sheets?
An interesting story out of Russia.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/russians-take-to-streets-brave-riot-police-to-protest-putins-ukraine-invasion
Unfortunately that is just "noise" to Putin. Russia is a big country. There is plenty of space to make 1675 people disappear. There will be a blackout on those images and films and just like over here, the regime-controlled media will not report anything embarrassing or controversial to the regime. And Putin will press on.
blue streak 1If Putin wants to do the most mischief is to cause the GPS system to shutdown. PTC shuts down and you cannot buy gasoline with credit cards among other items. Balt: If the PTC shuts down you might get drafted. Back to train sheets?
I am well above the Ukrainian draft age of 60.
Since CSX (and most, if not all) Class 1's have been using Computer Aided Dispatching Systems since the late 1980's going back to the methods of operation that were in effect prior to CADS is not a option. There is virtually no one currently employed that had any experience with the TTTO form of operation - either from the Dispatching side of the equation or from the T&E side of the equation.
PTC is a nominal add on to CADS and thus CADS can operate with or without PTC - and in fact this happens daily and PTC is not effective or required on the entirety of the lines that the carriers operate.
About 20 years ago CSX got hit by a 'Denial of Service' attack that had the effect of having the CADS computer crash, repeatedly until the cause was found. The cause was a virus that 'busied' up to communications links between the CADS computers and the headquarters Main Frame computers. For successful operation these systems are constantly passing elements of data back and forth between the systems. It took about 72 hours from the onset of the problem to having virus removed from the infected systems and getting operations back to 'normal'.
Unless there is someway to get supply lines up from the NATO countries for food, potable water, and some way to provide shelter for millions who will soon be homeless, the Ukraine is just one giant Alamo or Warsaw Ghetto uprising - heroic beyond belief for a whole country to stand and die fighting rather than submit to the jackboot on the neck.
The dogs of war will inevitably have their way with the citizenry of Ukraine. It is so sad, and senseless, to those whose hearts are not coal black with evil.
BaltACD About 20 years ago CSX got hit by a 'Denial of Service' attack that had the effect of having the CADS computer crash, repeatedly until the cause was found. The cause was a virus that 'busied' up to communications links between the CADS computers and the headquarters Main Frame computers. For successful operation these systems are constantly passing elements of data back and forth between the systems. It took about 72 hours from the onset of the problem to having virus removed from the infected systems and getting operations back to 'normal'.
Wow, the worst situation we've had was a crash a couple years ago that turned everything west of Jasper into the infamous 'Blue Screen of Death' for an afternoon, nothing could move and none of the Dispatchers knew where trains were until it was resolved. I can't imagine the congestion a three day outage would do.
Did CSX ever figure out where the virus originated?
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